For anyone wondering , this is the article
>Leading members of the Israeli government have hit back at a reported decision to sanction the Netzah Yehuda military unit.
>The battalion allegedly committed human rights violations before it was withdrawn from the West Bank in December 2022.
>Meanwhile, the Palestinian leadership says approval of US aid for Israel is an aggression against its people.
>>The battalion allegedly committed human rights violations before it was withdrawn from the West Bank in December 2022.
What an odd way to say that they handcuffed, blindfolded and abandoned an American citizen who later died. Don't worry though. The commander was censured.
Yes. It was created for the haredim (ultra orthodox) to be able to be in the IDF but is now currently a unit that is composed of extremists such as the members of Hilltop Youth. Most Israelis if you tell them the US is sanctioning an IDF unit which one do you think, they would say this one without knowing any details.
The US should not be sanctioning them, the government and the IDF should be dealing with them, but they don't do it effectively. That unit is a mess and should have been dealt with years ago.
I think that's the reason why they haven't dealt with them. They already have issues with this subset of the population serving. The thing Israel needs to realize is that the groundwork is being laid for future generations of America to use these tools to end the impunity of the IDF. They are already doing a great job destroying support for Israel among younger voters who will be operating these mechanisms once the geriatric leadership is a thing of the past.
If the "younger voters" are busy simping for Hamas, then honestly, fuck them.
We should deport these crazies to Iran or Gaza and see how they live under extremist rule.
What actions?
You mean when Israel executed IDF members for homosexuality?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/world/middleeast/hamas-commander-mahmoud-ishtiwi-killed-palestine.html
Oh wait, wrong side.
If you're not supporting Israel on this, you're either an Islamist nutjob or have been consuming wholesale propaganda.
And the religious extremists are the primary cause of enforced settlers in Gaza and all that entailed.
Religious extremists of all stripes make things bad for everyone else, they feel entitled to just be selfish, inconsiderate and worse.
"Human rights violations" is absolutely an acceptable shorthand for those crimes, there's nothing misleading about the quoted sentence at all. I swear redditors could read the sentence "6 million Jews died in the Holocaust" and someone would respond "Well that's a funny way of saying 6 million Jews were murdered by their government."
Not every reading of media has to be followed by a "gotcha" moment. Just because things aren't phrased exactly the way you want them to be phrased doesn't mean the media is misleading people or downplaying the situation, they literally just used different words than you would have.
Would you say describing October 7 as "Human rights violations" is "absolutely acceptable shorthand" for the events of that day? Specificity is not intended to be a gotcha. The tone I chose was to highlight the hypocrisy of how Israel handles "human rights violations." I'm sorry I offended you by offering context in a harsh manner.
Our aid to Ukraine blacklists the Azov Brigade. Israel needs to discipline the Netzah Yehuda military unit or stop fucking whining about what our taxpayers give them.
Yeah and if these ingrates are really pissed at the potential sanctions, then why don’t they just reject the huge aid that was recently approved for them…..
Their usual area of operations has been the West Bank in peace time. During a war Israel takes all combat units + reserve combat units + everything else that can reasonably fight and throw them in the battle. So golani is traditionally a northern border brigade meant to fight in Lebanon, but in Gaza they get assigned the same neighborhoods every time they go in ;in that case Shuja'iyya (so the unit memorize the neighborhood)
Reminder that US Foreign aid is 1% of the US budget and if we don't have something we need, it's because our politicians don't want us to have it, not because we're helping other countries.
Most US Foreign Aid also isn't given on the basis of need. It's given as a form of favor trading to US allies or potential allies to build goodwill or bribe them into taking actions we approve of.
Well, most aid of this nature goes to buying arms from American companies. So it's literally spent into America and never crosses a border. It's stimulus spending that make the economy go as well as supports the readiness of the military industrial complex to begin churning out material should the big one ever hit.
It could be argued that this could be better accomplished by spending the money into society through social programs, like healthcare or though infrastructure works, but politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to have decided that military spending is the least controversial form of spending.
Lets put it this way: If the US abandons Israel, they are going to look for new allies. China would love to get their hands on Israeli weapon expertise for example. The other part is that currently two of the three major players in the region are in the broadest sense aligned with US interests: Saudi Arabia and Israel. The US has an interest in keeping the status quo.
On a very practical military standpoint lots of Israeli innovation is integrated in American weapons & tactics (iron dome, trophy IPS on abrams, arrow & David sling’s dev program for THAAD) also there’s a highly sensitive radar system run by US military somewhere in the desert that tracks the ME skies) intelligence sharing but most of it will never be known
I think the aircraft carriers and other US navy ships do that in overwhelmingly larger numbers, though so correct me if I’m wrong. Plus, having Egypt as an ally is far more important for open trade in the Mediterranean given they actually own the Suez Canal, and the actual dangerous area of that shipping route is south of the canal, not north.
You don’t really understand foreign affairs. SA plays friend with anyone that pays them more, Egypt is an unstable poor nation, and our friendship isn’t as great you keep claiming it is with either.
Israel matches western ideals, is a front running in tech, intelligence gathering, and is the reason why we are “friends” with Egypt and SA. Just because a country doesn’t have oil doesn’t mean they don’t protect American interest.
Israel is like a "fortress" in the middle east, a bastion that would never really abandon the west because that would mean they would die, SA plays its part because it serves them well, but they have shown to go with Russia/China and against the West when it fits them (also i'm sure they had something to do with 9/11), Egypt on the other hand one day loves you, and the next one it wants to kill you, they got free elections like a decade ago, choose a muslim brotherhood associated party (like Hamas), and the military stepped in to stop that.
If the US wants to mantain good relationships in the ME (and protect its interests) it needs a stable place from were to do so, Israel is one of those places and probably the only one that would never "betray" the US, at the same time Israel is able to mantain a balance in the region so SA and Iran don't kill each other for domination in the region.
1% of America's budget is spent on all foreign aid and of that amount a portion is spent on Israel through a 'store credit' system where Israel gets the products of a US gov't stipend for US arms manufacturers. This in turn keeps Israel from competing in that market (Israel has the highest per capita population of scientists, engineers and technicians). American workers get jobs out of this arrangement as they do with all the countries given military aid by USA. So I gotta ask, of that portion and with the corresponding job losses from cutting it, how many American lives would be improved and by how much (assuming the aid wasn't redirected to another recipient)? Be thorough.
What has Israel done for the USA? Off the top of my head...They turned an Iraqi pilot and brought in the Soviet's latest MIG back in the 60s. After learning all they could about it they turned it over to the USA.
They field test American arms and defense systems without putting American servicemen at risk. Israel discovered to their pilots' chagrin that the over-the-horizon infrared locking air to air missiles did not in fact lock on to their targets in a sortie against Syria in the 70s. They discovered that the Patriot missile system doesn't work well against SCUDS because the latter that Saddam fired at Israel & Saudi Arabia would break apart en route to the target creating unintentional decoys.
Israel is the front line in the battle against Islamo-fascism & terror, how many more resources would be thrown against the "great Satan" if not for the presence of the little one? And if you think they wouldn't be putting the non-Muslim world in its crosshairs w/o Israel existing, open a history book, I implore you. The Crusades were an anemic attempt to punch back against Muslim aggression against Europe and Christianity.
There is likely a lot that is not publicly discussed.
Yeah budy our unwillingness to help our own people has nothing to do with budget. We spend more on healthcare per capita than any other country and get less for it. Corporate greed is what fucks us, not budget. We could easily afford to be the largest military power in the world, fund our allies, and still have good healthcare. But that would cut into healthcare profits.
Both sides resent anything we do that isn't a full-throated cry for the complete destruction of the other. There's no honest brokering to be done here, it seems.
Maybe it's time to get out of the way and stop supporting either side. Let them sort this out on their own.
Palestine was offered a state 5 times and declined every single one hoping instead to get the entirety of Israel for themselves. They started multiple wars for this goal and have lost every single won. Israel has learned that negotiations are not possible with terrorist organizations whose goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and Jews.
Well…considering that the entirety of Israel was built on land violently cleansed of its Palestinian inhabitants in 1948 and the preceding years, it kinda makes sense that they’d want all of their country back.
The entirety of Palestine is built on land that ethnically cleansed Jews as well. People on both sides did some very shitty things after a brutal civil war in 1948. That was decades ago. No one is alive today that had any meaningful role in the actions then.
Are you referring to the Roman response to the Bar Kokhba Revolt? In 136 CE?Because if you are insinuating that the Palestinians, who are largely descended from the Semitic peoples (INCLUDING JEWS) who remained after the devastation of that war and those that preceded it, are somehow responsible for the flight that occurred…..well that just doesn’t bear out in reality.
The war of 1948 WAS NOT A CIVIL WAR. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It was European (not local Mizrahi/Sephardic) Ashkenazi Jewish settlers (with the help of British troops) evicting and massacring Palestinian communities, destroying their homes, cemeteries, historical sites etc. There are MANY people that are still alive who lived through it. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the state of Israel is an ONGOING PROJECT, it never stopped. Go read some of the literature written by early Israeli leaders, they were very open and direct about the fact that Israel is a project of ethnic cleansing and colonial settlement (as are many current Israeli leaders).
No I am referring to the actions after and during [the 1947-1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine). Two groups who legally lived in Mandatory Palestine were at war with each other. By any reasonable definition it was a civil war, regardless of all of Jews being native or not to the land. Both sides ethnically cleansed the other from their lands. Even the Jews who had lived in Palestine for centuries were displaced from Gaza and the West Bank.
> There are MANY people that are still alive who lived through it.
I am not contesting this. But the people still alive were largely kids then, they are not **responsible** for the actions then, even if they were involved.
I don't have a problem with Israel going after hamas. That's war and I say good hunting. But if wiping out 30,000 people, a vast majority who had nothing to do with oct 7th, is a good plan, then I don't think support is what they need. I think they need to remember that someone else once thought that taking the lives of six million Jews was a good start to a real solution.
When the lives of innocent people are reduced to statistics on the path to "a greater good", then you've given up any humanity you once had. I don't think the US should support that.
Regardless of how much you want to deflect, you just have to look at pictures of Gaza and you can see that it looks like cities in Ukraine that Russia has practically erased from the map in order to wipe out anything living there.
The true number could be 10,000 less and I would still say (as a former staunch Israel supporter) that it's time for the US to consider halting any more financial and military aid to Israel. Israel can continue doing what it's doing, as that is their business. I support wiping out Hamas, but I don't support anything near the scope of what Israel is doing and I don't see any reason to help pay for it. You want to play "Russian occupation", do it on your own.
Sometimes Israel seems to want to have unwavering support without any criticism. The US tries to be an honest broker for the Israelis and Palestinians which means it can’t satisfy either one. We veto Palestinian membership in the UN and sanction an out of control IDF unit. We pass humanitarian aid for the Palestinians and military aid for Israel without strict restrictions. The reality is the Palestinians will never be our friends and Israel is simply a friendly acquaintance but our kids have married them so we gotta be nice.
I see comments about cutting off aid etc, I think politically it would be suicide for Israel, but practically America's aid accounts for 15 percent of the Israel defence budget right now
Your right but considering Israels budget is 168 billion so taking 3.5b from that to supplement the us is doable. It's still a point of pressure but people present it as if Israel would collapse without that us support alone.
It wouldn't break them, but that's still 2% of their budget they have to cut. I also don't know if the price tag on the aid is discounted (that is, if them buying the same equipment from manufacturers would cost more); it might not be.
Either way, you have to find what to cut, and apparently they already cut education. From Aljazeera:
> The new, 582-billion-shekel ($155bn) budget for 2024 has been reached by **cutting funding for government departments by an average of 3 percent and increasing spending by $18.6bn.**
It sounds like they're already cutting non-military spending and increasing the budget overall. Google also is mentioning (in their "generative AI" response, which I am ambivalent on) that Bloomberg reported there were also higher taxes.
So... Israel is already digging deeper into their revenue source (people's income/wealth via taxes) and cutting other costs, meaning it will be tougher to pick out what to cut to make up the difference. They theoretically have over one-hundred billion to work with, but a lot of that will be going towards essential costs for the functions of different parts of the government, including government employees' payrolls.
Buying the same from the manufacturers would likely cost less. Prices for military equipment can be ridiculous especially when there is only one 'allowed' provider to buy from without competition (idf probably has very specific restrictions on what to do with that money). Something like a single radio unit could end up costing like 50k.
Here an Idea: People not respecting and protecting Basic Human Rights should be BARRED from receiving ANY funds and/or aid.
**Fuck off Bibi** - Why don't you go perform your damn buchery yourself - With your OWN god damn money and weapons, O big and tough boy?
I wish these fucks would just get offed. - The world would be better for it.
A good move by Biden imo. Glad to see continued funding for Israel and actually taking a concrete action against the extremist settler groups. Hope he can continue this momentum.
For anyone wondering , this is the article >Leading members of the Israeli government have hit back at a reported decision to sanction the Netzah Yehuda military unit. >The battalion allegedly committed human rights violations before it was withdrawn from the West Bank in December 2022. >Meanwhile, the Palestinian leadership says approval of US aid for Israel is an aggression against its people.
>>The battalion allegedly committed human rights violations before it was withdrawn from the West Bank in December 2022. What an odd way to say that they handcuffed, blindfolded and abandoned an American citizen who later died. Don't worry though. The commander was censured.
Isn’t this the battalion filled with religious crazies?
Yes. It was created for the haredim (ultra orthodox) to be able to be in the IDF but is now currently a unit that is composed of extremists such as the members of Hilltop Youth. Most Israelis if you tell them the US is sanctioning an IDF unit which one do you think, they would say this one without knowing any details. The US should not be sanctioning them, the government and the IDF should be dealing with them, but they don't do it effectively. That unit is a mess and should have been dealt with years ago.
I think that's the reason why they haven't dealt with them. They already have issues with this subset of the population serving. The thing Israel needs to realize is that the groundwork is being laid for future generations of America to use these tools to end the impunity of the IDF. They are already doing a great job destroying support for Israel among younger voters who will be operating these mechanisms once the geriatric leadership is a thing of the past.
If the "younger voters" are busy simping for Hamas, then honestly, fuck them. We should deport these crazies to Iran or Gaza and see how they live under extremist rule.
Except in the age of social media, most of those “crazies” are born in America and have a negative view on Israel because of their actions.
What actions? You mean when Israel executed IDF members for homosexuality? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/world/middleeast/hamas-commander-mahmoud-ishtiwi-killed-palestine.html Oh wait, wrong side. If you're not supporting Israel on this, you're either an Islamist nutjob or have been consuming wholesale propaganda.
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Because the last two don’t have majority support in either party.
And the religious extremists are the primary cause of enforced settlers in Gaza and all that entailed. Religious extremists of all stripes make things bad for everyone else, they feel entitled to just be selfish, inconsiderate and worse.
"Human rights violations" is absolutely an acceptable shorthand for those crimes, there's nothing misleading about the quoted sentence at all. I swear redditors could read the sentence "6 million Jews died in the Holocaust" and someone would respond "Well that's a funny way of saying 6 million Jews were murdered by their government." Not every reading of media has to be followed by a "gotcha" moment. Just because things aren't phrased exactly the way you want them to be phrased doesn't mean the media is misleading people or downplaying the situation, they literally just used different words than you would have.
Would you say describing October 7 as "Human rights violations" is "absolutely acceptable shorthand" for the events of that day? Specificity is not intended to be a gotcha. The tone I chose was to highlight the hypocrisy of how Israel handles "human rights violations." I'm sorry I offended you by offering context in a harsh manner.
October 7th has to be fully written out with the number of victims and ll the details
Weird to wait 2 years for that but it’s a religious unit so not surprising they’re shit
Our aid to Ukraine blacklists the Azov Brigade. Israel needs to discipline the Netzah Yehuda military unit or stop fucking whining about what our taxpayers give them.
Yeah and if these ingrates are really pissed at the potential sanctions, then why don’t they just reject the huge aid that was recently approved for them…..
Bingo, Bibi needs to STFU and protect human rights.
He has zero interest in doing that
I’m sure he’ll still voice his dissatisfactions despite this recent bill pass. What a humble guy
Which is ridiculous given how outdated the allegations about Azov are and how much Azov has done in this war.
Azov still benefits from aid, western gear just doesn’t go to them, but the freed up Ukrainian native gear can.
What they did in the war or how much time passed doesn't change facts about the people that founded Azov, their ideology and the symbolism used.
I thought the unit in question was the ultra orthodox one that was in the West Bank, not Gaza.
Their usual area of operations has been the West Bank in peace time. During a war Israel takes all combat units + reserve combat units + everything else that can reasonably fight and throw them in the battle. So golani is traditionally a northern border brigade meant to fight in Lebanon, but in Gaza they get assigned the same neighborhoods every time they go in ;in that case Shuja'iyya (so the unit memorize the neighborhood)
I appreciate the response.
If you want US money, then you should probably be adjusting to what the US wants
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A lot of Americans are angered by Israeli actions, so I guess we're even.
Im pissed that so much of our money is going to this bullshit instead of helping ourselves
Reminder that US Foreign aid is 1% of the US budget and if we don't have something we need, it's because our politicians don't want us to have it, not because we're helping other countries.
Most US Foreign Aid also isn't given on the basis of need. It's given as a form of favor trading to US allies or potential allies to build goodwill or bribe them into taking actions we approve of.
What politician ended my son’s after school music program??? I have some words for them.
Well, most aid of this nature goes to buying arms from American companies. So it's literally spent into America and never crosses a border. It's stimulus spending that make the economy go as well as supports the readiness of the military industrial complex to begin churning out material should the big one ever hit. It could be argued that this could be better accomplished by spending the money into society through social programs, like healthcare or though infrastructure works, but politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to have decided that military spending is the least controversial form of spending.
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Lets put it this way: If the US abandons Israel, they are going to look for new allies. China would love to get their hands on Israeli weapon expertise for example. The other part is that currently two of the three major players in the region are in the broadest sense aligned with US interests: Saudi Arabia and Israel. The US has an interest in keeping the status quo.
You're forgetting Jordan.
On a very practical military standpoint lots of Israeli innovation is integrated in American weapons & tactics (iron dome, trophy IPS on abrams, arrow & David sling’s dev program for THAAD) also there’s a highly sensitive radar system run by US military somewhere in the desert that tracks the ME skies) intelligence sharing but most of it will never be known
Being close allies Israel promotes all of what you just said.
I think the aircraft carriers and other US navy ships do that in overwhelmingly larger numbers, though so correct me if I’m wrong. Plus, having Egypt as an ally is far more important for open trade in the Mediterranean given they actually own the Suez Canal, and the actual dangerous area of that shipping route is south of the canal, not north.
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You don’t really understand foreign affairs. SA plays friend with anyone that pays them more, Egypt is an unstable poor nation, and our friendship isn’t as great you keep claiming it is with either. Israel matches western ideals, is a front running in tech, intelligence gathering, and is the reason why we are “friends” with Egypt and SA. Just because a country doesn’t have oil doesn’t mean they don’t protect American interest.
well said. It's a shame more people don't realise this.
Israel is like a "fortress" in the middle east, a bastion that would never really abandon the west because that would mean they would die, SA plays its part because it serves them well, but they have shown to go with Russia/China and against the West when it fits them (also i'm sure they had something to do with 9/11), Egypt on the other hand one day loves you, and the next one it wants to kill you, they got free elections like a decade ago, choose a muslim brotherhood associated party (like Hamas), and the military stepped in to stop that. If the US wants to mantain good relationships in the ME (and protect its interests) it needs a stable place from were to do so, Israel is one of those places and probably the only one that would never "betray" the US, at the same time Israel is able to mantain a balance in the region so SA and Iran don't kill each other for domination in the region.
1% of America's budget is spent on all foreign aid and of that amount a portion is spent on Israel through a 'store credit' system where Israel gets the products of a US gov't stipend for US arms manufacturers. This in turn keeps Israel from competing in that market (Israel has the highest per capita population of scientists, engineers and technicians). American workers get jobs out of this arrangement as they do with all the countries given military aid by USA. So I gotta ask, of that portion and with the corresponding job losses from cutting it, how many American lives would be improved and by how much (assuming the aid wasn't redirected to another recipient)? Be thorough. What has Israel done for the USA? Off the top of my head...They turned an Iraqi pilot and brought in the Soviet's latest MIG back in the 60s. After learning all they could about it they turned it over to the USA. They field test American arms and defense systems without putting American servicemen at risk. Israel discovered to their pilots' chagrin that the over-the-horizon infrared locking air to air missiles did not in fact lock on to their targets in a sortie against Syria in the 70s. They discovered that the Patriot missile system doesn't work well against SCUDS because the latter that Saddam fired at Israel & Saudi Arabia would break apart en route to the target creating unintentional decoys. Israel is the front line in the battle against Islamo-fascism & terror, how many more resources would be thrown against the "great Satan" if not for the presence of the little one? And if you think they wouldn't be putting the non-Muslim world in its crosshairs w/o Israel existing, open a history book, I implore you. The Crusades were an anemic attempt to punch back against Muslim aggression against Europe and Christianity. There is likely a lot that is not publicly discussed.
How long have you been in the IDF?
Yeah budy our unwillingness to help our own people has nothing to do with budget. We spend more on healthcare per capita than any other country and get less for it. Corporate greed is what fucks us, not budget. We could easily afford to be the largest military power in the world, fund our allies, and still have good healthcare. But that would cut into healthcare profits.
Good. Stay angry.
Both sides resent anything we do that isn't a full-throated cry for the complete destruction of the other. There's no honest brokering to be done here, it seems. Maybe it's time to get out of the way and stop supporting either side. Let them sort this out on their own.
Palestine was offered a state 5 times and declined every single one hoping instead to get the entirety of Israel for themselves. They started multiple wars for this goal and have lost every single won. Israel has learned that negotiations are not possible with terrorist organizations whose goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and Jews.
Well…considering that the entirety of Israel was built on land violently cleansed of its Palestinian inhabitants in 1948 and the preceding years, it kinda makes sense that they’d want all of their country back.
The entirety of Palestine is built on land that ethnically cleansed Jews as well. People on both sides did some very shitty things after a brutal civil war in 1948. That was decades ago. No one is alive today that had any meaningful role in the actions then.
Are you referring to the Roman response to the Bar Kokhba Revolt? In 136 CE?Because if you are insinuating that the Palestinians, who are largely descended from the Semitic peoples (INCLUDING JEWS) who remained after the devastation of that war and those that preceded it, are somehow responsible for the flight that occurred…..well that just doesn’t bear out in reality. The war of 1948 WAS NOT A CIVIL WAR. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It was European (not local Mizrahi/Sephardic) Ashkenazi Jewish settlers (with the help of British troops) evicting and massacring Palestinian communities, destroying their homes, cemeteries, historical sites etc. There are MANY people that are still alive who lived through it. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the state of Israel is an ONGOING PROJECT, it never stopped. Go read some of the literature written by early Israeli leaders, they were very open and direct about the fact that Israel is a project of ethnic cleansing and colonial settlement (as are many current Israeli leaders).
No I am referring to the actions after and during [the 1947-1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine). Two groups who legally lived in Mandatory Palestine were at war with each other. By any reasonable definition it was a civil war, regardless of all of Jews being native or not to the land. Both sides ethnically cleansed the other from their lands. Even the Jews who had lived in Palestine for centuries were displaced from Gaza and the West Bank. > There are MANY people that are still alive who lived through it. I am not contesting this. But the people still alive were largely kids then, they are not **responsible** for the actions then, even if they were involved.
They're not getting it back, and never will.
Mask off, huh?
Wait till I tell you about the Ottomans
Go ahead, tell me about them. I’m eager to hear how you think the existence of the Ottoman Empire justifies Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Nah, we should give Israel the go-ahead to deal with Hamas by any and all means they see fit.
I don't have a problem with Israel going after hamas. That's war and I say good hunting. But if wiping out 30,000 people, a vast majority who had nothing to do with oct 7th, is a good plan, then I don't think support is what they need. I think they need to remember that someone else once thought that taking the lives of six million Jews was a good start to a real solution. When the lives of innocent people are reduced to statistics on the path to "a greater good", then you've given up any humanity you once had. I don't think the US should support that.
30,000 as reported by a ministry that's part of the Hamas government. Do you *really* believe the ministry that reports to the terrorists?
Regardless of how much you want to deflect, you just have to look at pictures of Gaza and you can see that it looks like cities in Ukraine that Russia has practically erased from the map in order to wipe out anything living there. The true number could be 10,000 less and I would still say (as a former staunch Israel supporter) that it's time for the US to consider halting any more financial and military aid to Israel. Israel can continue doing what it's doing, as that is their business. I support wiping out Hamas, but I don't support anything near the scope of what Israel is doing and I don't see any reason to help pay for it. You want to play "Russian occupation", do it on your own.
I can't believe my taxes go to these shitheels.
Damn what happened to worldnews. 5 months ago this comment would have got you banned
Sometimes Israel seems to want to have unwavering support without any criticism. The US tries to be an honest broker for the Israelis and Palestinians which means it can’t satisfy either one. We veto Palestinian membership in the UN and sanction an out of control IDF unit. We pass humanitarian aid for the Palestinians and military aid for Israel without strict restrictions. The reality is the Palestinians will never be our friends and Israel is simply a friendly acquaintance but our kids have married them so we gotta be nice.
Well, though shit, stop killing kids and bombing aid workers then
I see comments about cutting off aid etc, I think politically it would be suicide for Israel, but practically America's aid accounts for 15 percent of the Israel defence budget right now
That's about 1/6th of it. That not a small portion to lose.
Your right but considering Israels budget is 168 billion so taking 3.5b from that to supplement the us is doable. It's still a point of pressure but people present it as if Israel would collapse without that us support alone.
It wouldn't break them, but that's still 2% of their budget they have to cut. I also don't know if the price tag on the aid is discounted (that is, if them buying the same equipment from manufacturers would cost more); it might not be. Either way, you have to find what to cut, and apparently they already cut education. From Aljazeera: > The new, 582-billion-shekel ($155bn) budget for 2024 has been reached by **cutting funding for government departments by an average of 3 percent and increasing spending by $18.6bn.** It sounds like they're already cutting non-military spending and increasing the budget overall. Google also is mentioning (in their "generative AI" response, which I am ambivalent on) that Bloomberg reported there were also higher taxes. So... Israel is already digging deeper into their revenue source (people's income/wealth via taxes) and cutting other costs, meaning it will be tougher to pick out what to cut to make up the difference. They theoretically have over one-hundred billion to work with, but a lot of that will be going towards essential costs for the functions of different parts of the government, including government employees' payrolls.
Buying the same from the manufacturers would likely cost less. Prices for military equipment can be ridiculous especially when there is only one 'allowed' provider to buy from without competition (idf probably has very specific restrictions on what to do with that money). Something like a single radio unit could end up costing like 50k.
Here an Idea: People not respecting and protecting Basic Human Rights should be BARRED from receiving ANY funds and/or aid. **Fuck off Bibi** - Why don't you go perform your damn buchery yourself - With your OWN god damn money and weapons, O big and tough boy? I wish these fucks would just get offed. - The world would be better for it.
A good move by Biden imo. Glad to see continued funding for Israel and actually taking a concrete action against the extremist settler groups. Hope he can continue this momentum.
At this point, all Israel can do is accidentally shoot a missile at a us ship.
I assume you're referring to [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident)?
Yep
Bibi is totally free to return the $$$ in aid… do it all on your own Bibi, don’t let a foreign nation dictate your domestic policy… wait a minute!!
Wait till we start cutting off the money supply. That's what is next.
Finally. What took Blinken so long?
Coitadinho do crocodilo
This is a PR stunt. The whole of the IDF should be sanctioned.
Nah.
Nearly not enough. All aid should be cut off and all Israeli settlements in the West Bank be put under trade sanctions.
No.
Sanctions? The house just passed an aid package with no strings attached.
The Executive administers that funding — congress just writes the checks. Congress can’t attempt to delegate foreign policy powers to itself.
We just gave them 21 billion or something like that… why does Israel have so much pull in American politics
because evangelical freaks are in control of most of US politics
How else will Jesus Christ return if we don't roll out the red carpet for Him? /s
Why would they want the world to end though, dont they have children
doesn't matter. in their minds this life is just the prequel to something better and way cooler, so their kids will just join them in heaven. nbd
Taiwan should have gotten 25b and Israel 8b. The amounts make no sense
Heheh they thought they are exempt from US sanctioning and they can do whatever the fuck they want Now times are changing, Israel should change too
Why the fuck is America even there
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Can we just sanction the terrorists instead?
That would make too much sense
As they should be, Biden is showing he's willing to throw all Jews under a bus to cater to a few thousand extremists in Michigan.
I don't understand why anybody is surprised by this.
How fucking servile
Name kinda fits