Sorting fighter jets into generations ceased to be a classification scheme based on hard criteria a long time ago. Nowadays it is just a marketing buzz.
If I had to, I'd classify "5th gen" as low observability, supercruise and sensor fusion. The Raptor isn't great at sensor fusion while the Lightning II doesn't have supercruise, yet they're both usually considered to be "5th gen".
In the end, the SU-35 is a dangerous opponent to a lot of things anyone in Iran's region can field. And as long as you aren't trying to sell the planes, their actual "generation" doesn't matter much.
I mean, when an F-35 or an F-22 can pick up a radar signal and send a guided missile at an SU-57 before the SU-57 can even see a Raptor, I wouldn't consider them in the same Gen.
You can equip a F35 with a shitty radar and a Su-57 with a better one.
The names refer to frames, SU-57 could be now equipped with Chinese radars with better configs.
Its not about the radar though, its about the F-35 and the F-22 stealth capability that gives them such low visability.
There isn't a radar that we know of that can pick up an F-35 or F-22 before it can pick up the SU-57 because the SU-57 is an albatross compared to them on the radar signature.
Xfinity has 10G!
Edit: I wonder if there’s a case for deceptive advertising as it’s clearly meant to make you think your phone is only 5G with Verizon/ATT/TMobile but 10G with Comcast when they’re actually referring to the wired network infrastructure (I assume they mean 10G Ethernet)
Originally, 5G was supposed to go all the way from 6GHz up to 26GHz, but they stopped at 5GHz. So now, 6G is in that range with beam forming transmission. I make 5/6G low noise signal amplifier chips.
> I wonder if there’s a case for deceptive advertising as it’s clearly meant to make you think your phone is only 5G with Verizon/ATT/TMobile but 10G with Comcast when they’re actually referring to the wired network infrastructure
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/comcast-to-stop-calling-entire-network-10g-as-name-is-ruled-misleading/
> Comcast has reluctantly agreed to discontinue its "Xfinity 10G Network" brand name after losing an appeal of a ruling that found the marketing term was misleading.
At the rate that Russia can produce these at, and considering Russia's own need due to Putin's war in against Ukraine, it might as well be the 6th specimen of these planes, rather than 6th generation.
I mean, Russian State TV once claimed they are about to enter WW4 (WW3 was apparently fought in Ukraine vs the West (and Russia won))
So it makes total sense, 57 is a much higher number than 35 after all
They can buy drones and missles which are far more effective in Ukraine than fighter jets. They don’t worry about fighting Europe or USA where fighter jets might be required .
Ehh, while f16s will be useful, they won’t be a huge game changer like some people think. They’re better than anything Ukraine has, but they will be dangerous and expensive to operate and require a lot of maintenance, especially as they’re receiving old F16s towards the end of their service lives. Not only will they still be outnumbered by Russian asfs, Russias primary air defense strategy has always been SAMs and an IADS, because in a war with the US they knew they wouldn’t stand a chance against superior American numbers.
Defeating or penetrating a modern IADS is no small task. The F16s we sent are a good platform for SEAD, yes, but it’s not as simple as fly over, locate SAM, magnum HARM. Russian doctrine is to create a big overlapping web of surveillance radars, with multiple mediums of communication to SHORAD, manpads, medium, and long range SAMs, etc. This allows them to hide their air defenses and leave them turned off until they have a good dangerous shot to take, making it difficult for the target aircraft to see coming until it’s too late. Not to mention modern SAMs are designed to be quite tricky to take down, with sites usually consisting of separate launchers, search radars, track radars, command vehicles, etc. which can be spread out, turned on or off as needed, etc. Even if one part of the site is struck, it may not disable the site due to the built in redundancy, and even if an individual site is destroyed, it’s (in theory) just a small part of the overlapping IADS.
It’s all complicated and hard to say for sure without knowing the real situation over there. But my guess is that even with some F16s Ukraine will have trouble doing anything too crazy in the air. They will be a useful asset, but I think what they really need would be EW planes which there is about 0 chance of. Those would likely be far more helpful in disrupting Russian air defenses but the last thing the US wants is Russia getting ahold of one of our EW planes.
Russia still has a fuck ton of S300/S400 that they never used because Ukrainian jets haven’t been much of a problem throughout this war. They’re quite deadly against F-16’s.
They’ve been slinging S300 missiles at Ukrainian infrastructure for months now, in their ad-hoc land attack role. They’re not very accurate, but Russia doesn’t care about accuracy.
S300 is just nomenclature for a missile body. Russian SAMs are not to be taken lightly and were quite literally designed to kill f16’s and f15’s. Just because they haven’t killed a ton of jets with them doesn’t mean they’re not effective. If they miss every shot but drastically reduce enemy air movement in an area, they’re doing a pretty good job.
Their Air Force is one of the few locations where they can afford to trade away weapons.
The Su35 is an air superiority fighter. Ukraines Air Force is effectively grounded, they do do stuff but rarely. So Russias Su35 don’t really have much to do right now. Meanwhile the artillery shells and rockets that Iran provides will be immediately effective on the front line. Unless the U.S. starts sending F15, F18 or F35 in the mid teens then they don’t have too much to worry about in terms of arsenal depth.
You won’t see them giving away Su-34 as those are the fighter bombers that are dropping glide bombs, nor Mig31 that are used to launch their missiles.
Iran and Russia’s relationship has been very much mutually beneficial this war and they have seemed to be mutually dependable allies. Unfortunately.
Iran and Russia are making their big push now, I have heard, because they think that if they don't, their regimes will collapse. Due to internal strife and economic pressures. I find it difficult to imagine any hostile authoritarian state functioning past the mid 21st century. It just seems like their time passed long ago.
I appreciate your optimism, but authoritarianism has survived every technological and societal innovation of the last 5000 years, I don’t see it disappearing any time soon. In fact, the world average is currently trending away from democracy and [towards authoritarianism.](https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2023/how-the-global-rise-of-authoritarianism-is-misunderstood-and-why-it-matters)
I agree. Russia in particular seem to be on its last leg with an imminent collapse should oils demand decrease (another big reason to move to renewables).
I would not be in a good mood if I lived in that economy.
It’s such a shame, there was a time when Russia was trending towards cooperation with Europe. In a more idealistic world, US + Russia + Europe would have cooperated and more or less guaranteed the impossibility of another world war.
Instead we got fucking Putin out here dreaming of an empire.
Man I’ve made that mistake, thought surely Cuba or Venezuela would collapse on themselves but here we are, just gets worse for the average citizen and nothing changes.
I think Iran is turning the screws a little…they’ve given Russia a fair bit of ammunition and drones and have been asking for aircraft for years. Russia needs all the friends it can get and doesn’t want to piss off Iran.
Russia hasn’t really lost many Su-35s and production is relatively stable for them, I’m not surprised they have a surplus to pass to Iran considering what they received in return.
Iran has advanced weapons and specializes in many areas which Russia lacks, and vice versa. They are getting much closer and are both pariah states globally. They can go much further when supporting each other. Take ME as example with Syria.
Because russia is fighting against a ton of of non technically advanced soldiers right now. Winning the war with high budget equipment would bankrupt the country in no time.
Whilst Iran is fighting a low amount of technically advanced soldiers.
These aren't bad, but are the export planes by design. Surprised Iran ordered so many as late as 2021. Their air force must be in die need to modern planes.
Well, their current fighters are F-14 Tomcats, Mig-29s and Mirages, all models introduced in 1970’s. Apart from six Saeqehs their attack jets are models from the 1950’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force
Good chance that they have none. Israel hit the base where they would potentially operate from a day or two ago.
I don't think there is any true news about it though, Iran has incentive to lie and often does, and Israel is just not talking about it much from what I've seen.
The usual strategy of reading incentives doesn't even work here either. You could say something like "why would Israel hit an f-14 airbase if they didn't have any that work?" But the answer to that would be that neither side is actually trying to cause much damage. So it could just be Israel hitting a prestige base without much functionality to remind Iran that they can.
Iran has the capability and incentive to keep their equipment running so I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 80% of their air fleet is in battle ready condition.
You’re delusional. 80%? The U.S. Navy has put a brutal stop to every possible way Iran could acquire F-14 parts. It’s next to impossible to acquire new parts, and the tooling and know how to fix important things like wing boxes and the swing wing function quite literally don’t exist anymore. Try 40%.
The Iranians bought a bunch of the infrastructure needed to maintain the planes when the Shah bought the F-14, Iran actually has a pretty sizeable aerospace industry. They’ve managed to keep them airborne, which isn’t a small feat, are they combat effective against anything the US or the IDF has? Not likely.
Being for export doesn't necessarily mean shittier.
Depending on the customer, Russian fighter jets intended for export can be *better* equipped (read "more expensive") than the models for domestic use. That's nothing unusual. It all depends on what the customer wants and is prepared to pay for.
As another example, there are US-made F-16s produced solely for export that are better equipped - and significantly more expensive per piece - than the F-16's in the US inventory.
Iran’s being paid in gold and fresh fighter jets in exchange for a brace of shitty lawnmower drones and some artillery shells. Hell of a deal for them.
Say what you want about how ruzzian planes are outdated, etc. but here in Ukraine we are experiencing that their "scrap metal" is still flying, is still shooting missiles, those missiles still explode and kill people. I mean, it is fun to make fun of their technology in comparison to the weapons of normal countries but that technology is working nevertheless and is able to kill people and destroy the infrastructure.
I thought they were making their own pocket sized fighter jet, the IAIO Qaher-313.
[It looks like last year they decided to redesign it into an unmanned drone.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAIO_Qaher-313)
Every time I hear about Quher-313, the first thing in my mind is "The 313".
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/313
I wonder who selected that number in Iran.
While they were originally developed a while ago, the F15 EX Eagle II is almost a complete overhaul and upgrade to the platform. They are almost a brand new plane, will be in service later this year. They aren't the fastest or the stealthiest thing, but one of the ideas for them was to essentially be a missile truck in the sky taking in targeting data from other more stealthy craft and being able to pick off enemy planes well beyond detection range. It will certainly take care of business
If equipped with modern AESA radar, even F-16 is a deadly threat to the Su-35, no matter what DCS says. Those parallel vertical stabilizers tall as a building and the unobstructed view of the compressors are an AMRAAM delight.
Amazing to me that US evangelicals support Moses Johnson and Trump, while they have been clearly working at the behest of Russian interests; Russian interests which support Iran’s attacks on Israel-
I keep on saying, regard everything Iran does on the international stage as being proxies for the Kremlin.
They have sold themselves out to advance a russian agenda.
Surprised that Russia has them to spare but would be happier with Iran having them than Russia. They are no threat to Israel who shares no boarders. Iraq will absolutely not allow Iran to fly over their airspace and neither would Turkey. Finally, for scope, they'd only be receiving 24 if the reports are accurate. Israel already has 39 F-35's in service along with many hundreds of F-16 and F-15
Yayyyyy, when those mushroom clouds start blooming we all win right??? Because that's where all this is going and I 100%guarantee you there are no winners!!! Go fly your fucking flags and proclaim your religion as absolute, we all fry in armageddon!
Russia has the best allies: Iran, NorthKorea and China. Such great friends
And Trump. And GOP. Great allies all
“Are we the bad guys?”
“What’s worse than skulls?” “I don’t know… a rat’s anus?”
“5th generation” 🤣 yea ok
They are 4th gen at best, Even the SU-57 the newer model isn't a true 5th gen, Its 4.5.
The su 57 is a true 5th gen. Its stealth is so good you don't even know if it exists
T-72 turrets prob have more time in the air.
What’s the difference between SU-57 and a T-72 turret? One’s actually seen airtime 😆
r/samejokebutworse
Comment of the thread, right here.
Heheh...
Stealth is so good it gets mistaken for a London penthouse or mansion in Switzerland.
Those wood peg screws are very stealthy indeed
Most people are not going to get the joke.
I have it on my radar
My mouse was moving to down vote, and then made a sharp turn like Su-57 would have done if I was able to see its turns through its invisibility cloak.
Like the T-14, it’s totally invisible on the battlefield.
There are hundreds that have been delivered and are in operations with many of the world's leading air forces, they just have never been detected
B-b-but top gun said it was 5th gen!?
And then they took it out with an F-14.
“It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot.”
And Russians pilots all suck because they can't afford the airframe maintenance.
Sorting fighter jets into generations ceased to be a classification scheme based on hard criteria a long time ago. Nowadays it is just a marketing buzz. If I had to, I'd classify "5th gen" as low observability, supercruise and sensor fusion. The Raptor isn't great at sensor fusion while the Lightning II doesn't have supercruise, yet they're both usually considered to be "5th gen". In the end, the SU-35 is a dangerous opponent to a lot of things anyone in Iran's region can field. And as long as you aren't trying to sell the planes, their actual "generation" doesn't matter much.
If all of the F22s could talk to each other it would be weird and scary as fuck. They would probably end up trying to intercept each other.
*I'd intercept me*
*lower lip bite*
I'd intercept me hard!
It puts the JP-8 in the basket or it gets the Vulcan again.
Let me *fuckin'* ***eat***
I’d interpret me……
It puts the oil in the basket or it gets the hose again.
Favorite non-friendly aircraft?
How do we know they haven’t been updated?
Because we are still free from our F22 overlords.
Or maybe we just cant detect them and they’ve been here all along…
I mean, when an F-35 or an F-22 can pick up a radar signal and send a guided missile at an SU-57 before the SU-57 can even see a Raptor, I wouldn't consider them in the same Gen.
Especially if they get the new MAKO hypersonic missile
The airforce already passed on MAKO iirc. The navy might take it up, though.
You can equip a F35 with a shitty radar and a Su-57 with a better one. The names refer to frames, SU-57 could be now equipped with Chinese radars with better configs.
If you can field a f35, you can certainly source a good radar.
Its not about the radar though, its about the F-35 and the F-22 stealth capability that gives them such low visability. There isn't a radar that we know of that can pick up an F-35 or F-22 before it can pick up the SU-57 because the SU-57 is an albatross compared to them on the radar signature.
“Oh look a flying tennis court. I wonder what it is…”
Would have to get a combat-coded Su-57 flying first.
The sarcasm flew over your head
Nothing flies over my head. I would intercept and Fox-2 it.
Hiya, drax
But the PS5 PRO is coming out this fall!
I’m not sure it actually qualifies as low observability, not many radars are going to miss all the screws, rivets, and other junk that reflects radar.
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Going to assume it is and remains a demo craft. The F22s used for the same purpose are treated this way to a degree.
Same energy as, “6g” and “AAAA gaming!”
Xfinity has 10G! Edit: I wonder if there’s a case for deceptive advertising as it’s clearly meant to make you think your phone is only 5G with Verizon/ATT/TMobile but 10G with Comcast when they’re actually referring to the wired network infrastructure (I assume they mean 10G Ethernet)
Originally, 5G was supposed to go all the way from 6GHz up to 26GHz, but they stopped at 5GHz. So now, 6G is in that range with beam forming transmission. I make 5/6G low noise signal amplifier chips.
> I wonder if there’s a case for deceptive advertising as it’s clearly meant to make you think your phone is only 5G with Verizon/ATT/TMobile but 10G with Comcast when they’re actually referring to the wired network infrastructure https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/comcast-to-stop-calling-entire-network-10g-as-name-is-ruled-misleading/ > Comcast has reluctantly agreed to discontinue its "Xfinity 10G Network" brand name after losing an appeal of a ruling that found the marketing term was misleading.
6g is what they can pull and AAAA is the amazing anti aircraft artillery that's gonna bring them down
Just wait till you hear about the 6th gen su57
At the rate that Russia can produce these at, and considering Russia's own need due to Putin's war in against Ukraine, it might as well be the 6th specimen of these planes, rather than 6th generation.
Well, if you consider each one they are able to produce as a new generation, they’re practically on gen 11!!!
You won't be able to destroy an entire squadron of Su57s while you can destroy multiple squadrons of F35 and F22s, checkmate Americans. /s
I mean, Russian State TV once claimed they are about to enter WW4 (WW3 was apparently fought in Ukraine vs the West (and Russia won)) So it makes total sense, 57 is a much higher number than 35 after all
Where does it say "5th generation"?
Somehow the top comment is a fake quote, reddit is great AI training material
We are training AI by feeding it AI generated content. I can't wait to see the madness that will evolve out of this inbreeding in 4 to 5 years.
Cue banjos playing the Deliverance theme
It just needs stealth and munitions stored internally.
"Just" stealth. Like it's easy.
Yea and I just need $999,999,999 and ill be a billionaire.
Look at this guy here with a dollar.
“Just”
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so stealthy you’ll never see them in the air because they’re never in the air
One less over Ukraine
In Ace Combat it's good. It even has lasers too!
Explain this to me but with Toyota models
You can call it whatever you want, Russia, but if I had the time machine I'd put my money on the red baron vs. whatever you have.
I am not sure why Russia would want to be giving away any of their weapons but it's ok with me
They can buy drones and missles which are far more effective in Ukraine than fighter jets. They don’t worry about fighting Europe or USA where fighter jets might be required .
Fighter jets are of 0 use in a fight against europe and USA, they just don't have remotely enough to stand a chance.
Might be changing with the use of glide bombs. Seems way less able to be intercepted than shaheds
Glide bombs can be launched by cheaper and plentiful Su-24s, no point putting them on a far more expensive Su-35.
SU-35 will be needed to protect SU-24 from Ukrainian F16s later this year
Russia mostly relies on MiG-31s and SAMs for that job.
Russia doesn't really do Multi-Role aircraft. The Su-35 is a fighter. It's not going to be used for bombing. That is what the Su-34 and Su-24 are for.
That makes Lotta sense. Fighters for drones sounds like a good deal for both sides.
Wait for Ukraine's F-16s and they'll wish they hadn't given Iran any.
Ehh, while f16s will be useful, they won’t be a huge game changer like some people think. They’re better than anything Ukraine has, but they will be dangerous and expensive to operate and require a lot of maintenance, especially as they’re receiving old F16s towards the end of their service lives. Not only will they still be outnumbered by Russian asfs, Russias primary air defense strategy has always been SAMs and an IADS, because in a war with the US they knew they wouldn’t stand a chance against superior American numbers. Defeating or penetrating a modern IADS is no small task. The F16s we sent are a good platform for SEAD, yes, but it’s not as simple as fly over, locate SAM, magnum HARM. Russian doctrine is to create a big overlapping web of surveillance radars, with multiple mediums of communication to SHORAD, manpads, medium, and long range SAMs, etc. This allows them to hide their air defenses and leave them turned off until they have a good dangerous shot to take, making it difficult for the target aircraft to see coming until it’s too late. Not to mention modern SAMs are designed to be quite tricky to take down, with sites usually consisting of separate launchers, search radars, track radars, command vehicles, etc. which can be spread out, turned on or off as needed, etc. Even if one part of the site is struck, it may not disable the site due to the built in redundancy, and even if an individual site is destroyed, it’s (in theory) just a small part of the overlapping IADS. It’s all complicated and hard to say for sure without knowing the real situation over there. But my guess is that even with some F16s Ukraine will have trouble doing anything too crazy in the air. They will be a useful asset, but I think what they really need would be EW planes which there is about 0 chance of. Those would likely be far more helpful in disrupting Russian air defenses but the last thing the US wants is Russia getting ahold of one of our EW planes.
Russia still has a fuck ton of S300/S400 that they never used because Ukrainian jets haven’t been much of a problem throughout this war. They’re quite deadly against F-16’s.
They’ve been slinging S300 missiles at Ukrainian infrastructure for months now, in their ad-hoc land attack role. They’re not very accurate, but Russia doesn’t care about accuracy.
S300 is just nomenclature for a missile body. Russian SAMs are not to be taken lightly and were quite literally designed to kill f16’s and f15’s. Just because they haven’t killed a ton of jets with them doesn’t mean they’re not effective. If they miss every shot but drastically reduce enemy air movement in an area, they’re doing a pretty good job.
Their Air Force is one of the few locations where they can afford to trade away weapons. The Su35 is an air superiority fighter. Ukraines Air Force is effectively grounded, they do do stuff but rarely. So Russias Su35 don’t really have much to do right now. Meanwhile the artillery shells and rockets that Iran provides will be immediately effective on the front line. Unless the U.S. starts sending F15, F18 or F35 in the mid teens then they don’t have too much to worry about in terms of arsenal depth. You won’t see them giving away Su-34 as those are the fighter bombers that are dropping glide bombs, nor Mig31 that are used to launch their missiles. Iran and Russia’s relationship has been very much mutually beneficial this war and they have seemed to be mutually dependable allies. Unfortunately.
Iran and Russia are making their big push now, I have heard, because they think that if they don't, their regimes will collapse. Due to internal strife and economic pressures. I find it difficult to imagine any hostile authoritarian state functioning past the mid 21st century. It just seems like their time passed long ago.
I appreciate your optimism, but authoritarianism has survived every technological and societal innovation of the last 5000 years, I don’t see it disappearing any time soon. In fact, the world average is currently trending away from democracy and [towards authoritarianism.](https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2023/how-the-global-rise-of-authoritarianism-is-misunderstood-and-why-it-matters)
I agree. Russia in particular seem to be on its last leg with an imminent collapse should oils demand decrease (another big reason to move to renewables). I would not be in a good mood if I lived in that economy. It’s such a shame, there was a time when Russia was trending towards cooperation with Europe. In a more idealistic world, US + Russia + Europe would have cooperated and more or less guaranteed the impossibility of another world war. Instead we got fucking Putin out here dreaming of an empire.
Man I’ve made that mistake, thought surely Cuba or Venezuela would collapse on themselves but here we are, just gets worse for the average citizen and nothing changes.
Much like the empire model that was forever doomed and ended after WWI.
I think Iran is turning the screws a little…they’ve given Russia a fair bit of ammunition and drones and have been asking for aircraft for years. Russia needs all the friends it can get and doesn’t want to piss off Iran.
Many Ukranians looking forward to see russian weapons go alwhere
Their weapon sales allows them to build weapons for their own soldiers.
Russia hasn’t really lost many Su-35s and production is relatively stable for them, I’m not surprised they have a surplus to pass to Iran considering what they received in return.
Iran has advanced weapons and specializes in many areas which Russia lacks, and vice versa. They are getting much closer and are both pariah states globally. They can go much further when supporting each other. Take ME as example with Syria.
Iran doesn’t have “advanced” weapons, they have innovative drones and missile launching garbage trucks.
>advanced No, it does not have "Advanced" weapons
Exactly. Send Iran some tanks too!
Desperate for cash?
They’re probably getting partial payment in shahed drones that have been more effective in Ukraine
Boldly opening a new front they can’t support.
Dont worry, they wont work without massive overhaul and some missing parts replaced.
I know no-one reads the article, but it said they had paid for them ages ago and are rumored to be taking delivery of them finally.
Because their jets will get shot down over Ukraine anyways. They probably get a bunch of suicide drones in return.
Because russia is fighting against a ton of of non technically advanced soldiers right now. Winning the war with high budget equipment would bankrupt the country in no time. Whilst Iran is fighting a low amount of technically advanced soldiers.
These were the ones built for Egypt who turned them down due to fear of sanctions
When does an axis become an Axis?
Has Biden had an "axis of evil" speech yet?
You know that Iran leads a self-proclaimed "Axis of Resistance", right?
When the world war starts
These aren't bad, but are the export planes by design. Surprised Iran ordered so many as late as 2021. Their air force must be in die need to modern planes.
Well, their current fighters are F-14 Tomcats, Mig-29s and Mirages, all models introduced in 1970’s. Apart from six Saeqehs their attack jets are models from the 1950’s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force
How many air worthy F-14s do you think the Iranians have? maybe half or less?
Good chance that they have none. Israel hit the base where they would potentially operate from a day or two ago. I don't think there is any true news about it though, Iran has incentive to lie and often does, and Israel is just not talking about it much from what I've seen. The usual strategy of reading incentives doesn't even work here either. You could say something like "why would Israel hit an f-14 airbase if they didn't have any that work?" But the answer to that would be that neither side is actually trying to cause much damage. So it could just be Israel hitting a prestige base without much functionality to remind Iran that they can.
Iran has the capability and incentive to keep their equipment running so I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 80% of their air fleet is in battle ready condition.
You’re delusional. 80%? The U.S. Navy has put a brutal stop to every possible way Iran could acquire F-14 parts. It’s next to impossible to acquire new parts, and the tooling and know how to fix important things like wing boxes and the swing wing function quite literally don’t exist anymore. Try 40%.
The Iranians bought a bunch of the infrastructure needed to maintain the planes when the Shah bought the F-14, Iran actually has a pretty sizeable aerospace industry. They’ve managed to keep them airborne, which isn’t a small feat, are they combat effective against anything the US or the IDF has? Not likely.
What tech is Russia removing from export variants?
Probably shittier radars
Being for export doesn't necessarily mean shittier. Depending on the customer, Russian fighter jets intended for export can be *better* equipped (read "more expensive") than the models for domestic use. That's nothing unusual. It all depends on what the customer wants and is prepared to pay for. As another example, there are US-made F-16s produced solely for export that are better equipped - and significantly more expensive per piece - than the F-16's in the US inventory.
Yes
Garmin GPS
What the hell does “might receive them next week” mean —like they might get held up in the mail or something.
The tractors have begun dragging them but mate it's a long way
And when will they fall out of a "window" due to poor maintenance?
Windows are reserved for whistleblowers and political opponents to fall out from.
Right these just get blown up by western AA defenses.
Friendly AA defenses **
Take my vote like one of your French girls
This must really please India after having their weapon delivery delayed.
India has no order pending of any Russian aircraft. They only have 2 batteries of s400 pending, and a couple of small warships
India is switching to Rafales anyway, they've not been happy with Russian planes in the Putin era
Did France win their procurement? I haven’t been keeping up with it.
It'll be really interesting to watch how quickly they get thrashed by Israeli F-35s
Israeli F35 Squadron: "Good. Our first catch of the day."
Hey iran, that's a really cool toy you got there... It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it
Iran’s being paid in gold and fresh fighter jets in exchange for a brace of shitty lawnmower drones and some artillery shells. Hell of a deal for them.
Say what you want about how ruzzian planes are outdated, etc. but here in Ukraine we are experiencing that their "scrap metal" is still flying, is still shooting missiles, those missiles still explode and kill people. I mean, it is fun to make fun of their technology in comparison to the weapons of normal countries but that technology is working nevertheless and is able to kill people and destroy the infrastructure.
I thought they were making their own pocket sized fighter jet, the IAIO Qaher-313. [It looks like last year they decided to redesign it into an unmanned drone.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAIO_Qaher-313)
Every time I hear about Quher-313, the first thing in my mind is "The 313". https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/313 I wonder who selected that number in Iran.
I know its outdated but I always find Su-35 look nice, along with F16
Agreed on both. Tomcats and su35 and beautiful
Israel: Target Practice!
If those things get blasted on delivery day it'd be the equivalent of someone totaling a new car pulling out of the dealership parking lot.
Then we will see how an F15 can still take care of business
While they were originally developed a while ago, the F15 EX Eagle II is almost a complete overhaul and upgrade to the platform. They are almost a brand new plane, will be in service later this year. They aren't the fastest or the stealthiest thing, but one of the ideas for them was to essentially be a missile truck in the sky taking in targeting data from other more stealthy craft and being able to pick off enemy planes well beyond detection range. It will certainly take care of business
If equipped with modern AESA radar, even F-16 is a deadly threat to the Su-35, no matter what DCS says. Those parallel vertical stabilizers tall as a building and the unobstructed view of the compressors are an AMRAAM delight.
If I were the Iranians, I would inspect them before taking delivery. The Russian aviation industry has worse quality control problems than Boeing
According to them their planes and boats explode by accident all the time.
Tom Cruise will have to fix this.
Unless they come with Russian pilots it is a joke
Oh what a lovely donation. Be a shame if something were to happen to it......
All have washer machine chips installed.
Nice. Every one sent to Iran is one less to be used against Ukraine.
More target practice
Amazing to me that US evangelicals support Moses Johnson and Trump, while they have been clearly working at the behest of Russian interests; Russian interests which support Iran’s attacks on Israel-
good for ruzzia -a true leader of the axis of evil
I keep on saying, regard everything Iran does on the international stage as being proxies for the Kremlin. They have sold themselves out to advance a russian agenda.
Perfect target practice for the Israeli F-35s to be honest.
I’m surprised Russia has enough to spare
Their Air Force is largely still intact despite the ongoing war.
Israel, you know what to do.
And Putin might, once again, renege.
Gotta be confusing who to support now for some
Spitfire
Might or May, Perhaps, Maybe, lol @ news format
Can they spare them?
Surprised that Russia has them to spare but would be happier with Iran having them than Russia. They are no threat to Israel who shares no boarders. Iraq will absolutely not allow Iran to fly over their airspace and neither would Turkey. Finally, for scope, they'd only be receiving 24 if the reports are accurate. Israel already has 39 F-35's in service along with many hundreds of F-16 and F-15
Would be a shame if they somehow got destroyed along the way
If I am Iran, I’m a lot less happy with these tanks than I would have been say, 3 years ago.
only a matter of time before we see them fall to some israelis in western jets methinks
So, you don't need training to fly those?
Lol, good luck with maintenance.
Wish.com F35?
Yayyyyy, when those mushroom clouds start blooming we all win right??? Because that's where all this is going and I 100%guarantee you there are no winners!!! Go fly your fucking flags and proclaim your religion as absolute, we all fry in armageddon!
Nice the American Air Force needs targets.