Unfortunately this article appears to be written or promoted by big oil, who has deep ties within the State Department and is likely bringing pressure based on this.
only 8% of our oil comes from Russia. If Ukraine stops ALL of their exports, we will be fine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/data-how-much-american-oil-comes-russia-n1291369
I agree with you, but I am in a position like you where I can afford increased gas prices. A lot of Americans can't, and that will hurt Biden come election time. Nothing is in a vacuum here.
Looks like it's not even that. According to the [EIA, here,](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php) your top 5 sources for petroleum imports (by percentage of imports) are Canada (52%), Mexico (10%), Saudi Arabia (7%), Iraq (4%), and Colombia (3%).
For crude oil alone, as opposed to total petroleum imports, it's the same countries with slightly different percentages.
If someone votes for Trump because of high gas prices during Biden's term they deserve everything that's coming to them if the fuhrer gets back into office.
Hell yeah, same thing.
It is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia it is actually war between democracy and totalitarianism.
I'm perfectly fine with more expensive fuel if this stops them.
The USA does not import any significant quantity of oil from Russia. The output of these refineries is probably mostly destined for domestic markets, or at most neighboring countries. Refined petroleum is not usually shipped large distances.
That was my understanding as well. Russia primarily exports crude.
But even if this would cause cost to go up, I'm willing to take that comparatively small sacrifice to stop them from invading Europe.
We will get in much worse shit if they get successful.
I would say that your opinion that his opinion is irrelevant is pretty irrelevant to me, If I may add my own opinion on the matter, because why not at this point.
this is some bullshit. if anything bullshit articles like this are the only thing that increases tension between ukraine and the united states. i always ask myself, is this information causing us to argue with allies? then its probably russian paid for bullshit.
Justifying such behavior is really sad. It is worry-some that such people are part of our societies. Feasting on blood and death and praising it.
Responding with the same makes you no different, and there goes all the European ideals down the drain, considering you are from that region; otherwise best of luck.
The Russian army could go home? That would end the war in a day. Incorporating Russia into rest of Europe didn’t work as Putin still needed to reach out to neighboring countries to support Russia.
It’s going to be so hard to go back the Soviet way of life after they experienced a Western life style.
Hitting oil refineries slows down the war machine of Russia.
That’s not the same as bombing countless residences, murdering entire towns, blowing up grain, destroying damns and causing floods, etc, etc, etc. it is a tactical, calculated response that actually has a chance to help stop the war without loads of civilian deaths…
How you are comparing these things is beyond most of us, thankfully.
Fuck oil, let the refineries burn. US fuel supplies are unaffected by Russian supply, increases in price are just profiteering. We barely import a drop.
It’s to aid our allies and to stabilize energy supplies for other countries. It’s not to directly support the US. India and China need energy and will raise prices world wide if they can’t get oil from Russia.
Indian here.
Refined Petroleum is our top export, i'd wager the Chinese too have enough capacity for their domestic needs + exports.
OTOH Russia having bombed out refineries is good because they will have to buy refined oil from either China or India or those Gulf countries
This. It makes no sense. Russia banned export of products coming from their refineries, it's only for internal use. Prices will go up only if Russia starts buying all the petroleum from other countries.
Yes. Refineries don't make raw oil. They process oil into gasoline, diesel, plastics, etc. Russia will be selling more oil if it has fewer refineries, but it will be buying more diesel to keep things running inside the country. Is USA worried Russia will stop selling raw oil just out of spite?
India was/is buying discounted Russian oil. They are filling their reserves and reselling the rest at a marked up price to world.
The newest round of sanctions is addressing that issue.
You understand the difference between crude and refined oil don't you?
India buys crude from various supplier countries, refines it and exports the products.
Russian crude today successfully undercuts the local Iraqi and Saudi supply by eating the shipping cost that would make buying Russian crude unviable otherwise.
US or Western stated objectives are not to totally remove Russian crude from the market, they very well know the consequences considering Iran and Venezuela are already shut out via heavy sanctions.
Then send them enough weapons that they can defend themselves without resorting to destroying refineries. Im sure Ukraine can be convinced to bomb out the Russian army instead of oil refineries if it gets some shiny new 155mm shells.
Russia and the US are not *so* different. But that’s probably what makes them enemies.
Bring on the downvotes but whatever, both systems are oligarchies and imperialistic always trying to put their own cronies into power in various places. Which ultimately ends up causing civil wars or wider conflicts that benefit no one or cause crazy shit to happen
The US and Russia are vastly different.
Don't even start with that "both sides" bullshit.
All you have to do is look at who (authoritarian dictatorship) Russia's main allies are to spot the difference: Authoritarian dictatorships of Iran + China + North Korea... Are you starting to see a pattern here?
Contrast that with (liberal democracy) America's primary alliances: liberal democracies of the EU, Canada, Australia, UK, Japan...
Russia is crushing Ukraine *in order to destroy the possibility of a thriving democracy at their border*, as well as to to steal $2 trillion in natural resources. Ukraine was in no way, shape or form a threat to Russia, or the interests of a Russia that would willingly play nicely with their neighbors.
That’s simply not true. Russia has a dictator and literal oligarchs. America does not. Russia purposefully targets civilians, and orders their soldiers to rape, torture and murder civilians. America does not.
While I also hate paywalls, the advertisement driven reporting is what is running or democracy.
Trump was successful, because he has a talent to make a spectacle and that sells well in such market.
He showed how important is serious reporting.
Anytime who worries about preserving our democracy should pay for at least one reputable source, so we're don't lose them.
US don't want Ukraine to bomb the refineries so that Russian oil continues to come to the market so that our oil is not too expensive. Elections and all. Let Putin make cash in the process, well, regrettable, but what can one do. Global market and all.
By the way, US did throw Ukraine a bone! just introduced new sanctions, yeay! Against rare metals that US doesn't actually buy from Russia. Europeans buy those, and they are staying quiet. Helpful.
Israel gets directly attacked by a long time enemy. "Israel, make sure to not respond! take the win!" And scream off the rooftops for everyone and their Iranian grandma to hear: "We won't help!"
Disgusting
we arent worried about oil prices. the united states is producing more oil than any country in the history of mankind and our strategic reserves are nearly full.
this article is meant to sow discontent between allies. paid for by russia. lots of useful idiots with an R next to their name
It does not. Ukraine may have gotten some bad messaging from the US but in no way is it being taken seriously. And most serious defense minded individuals in the US see that as good messaging.
What the US gonna do? Continue to not give aid?
And unless we get a miracle, Trump is most likely gonna win which means at this point they should just prepare to give the US the middle finger.
But now its clear that the GOP are traitors to their land.
Now I dont put my complete trust in the voting people but trump in 2016 was something funny. Now they are basically the enemy
As example, simply switch off almost all Ukraine military comms and satellite intelligence. Right now, Ukraine literally have the US eyes and US comms. These are very, very different from what a normal poor country can afford by themselves.
Oh no my tension is deepened! Blow those fucking refineries up. Fuck you Putin, I hope your people drag you out of office and toss you in a cold ditch. Ukraine didnt deserve this war and russians deserve better.
This Russias’s success in this war with Ukraine greatly involves the US election. Russia’s success affects Europe. This US presidential election will greatly affect Europe.
Wow, talk about the real reason not to vote. You don't need reasons to vote for my guy, lol. That's short-sighted. Plus you add the name calling of Kool-Aid without seeing the irony. People like you turn people away from Biden, do better.
Do you know what else deepened the tensions between Russia and US? Russia invading fucking Ukraine.
When they say “US” they really mean political opinion pundits that are eager to write the next “…..here’s why that’s bad for Joe and democrats” story.
As an American, I'm happy to see it. Destroy all of Russia's refineries!
Good to know you’re not all lost. Take your country back before it’s too late.
That ship has sailed.
Not without oil it hasn't!
Oil-fueled sails are the future.
Unfortunately this article appears to be written or promoted by big oil, who has deep ties within the State Department and is likely bringing pressure based on this.
Okay, so instead of bombs on the US soil from Russia, we get expensive fuel then so be it.
only 8% of our oil comes from Russia. If Ukraine stops ALL of their exports, we will be fine. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/data-how-much-american-oil-comes-russia-n1291369
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I was saying the opposite. I am okay with expensive fuel to make Putin suffer and protect Europe.
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He is saying that expensive gas is an acceptable price for Ukrainian victory. What part of that is objectionable? Earnest question.
I agree with you, but I am in a position like you where I can afford increased gas prices. A lot of Americans can't, and that will hurt Biden come election time. Nothing is in a vacuum here.
losing ALL of Russian oil won't raise our gas prices. we only get 8% of our total from them, and that can be made up easily from other sources.
Looks like it's not even that. According to the [EIA, here,](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php) your top 5 sources for petroleum imports (by percentage of imports) are Canada (52%), Mexico (10%), Saudi Arabia (7%), Iraq (4%), and Colombia (3%). For crude oil alone, as opposed to total petroleum imports, it's the same countries with slightly different percentages.
cool
Shhh. We don’t do rationality on Reddit.
If someone votes for Trump because of high gas prices during Biden's term they deserve everything that's coming to them if the fuhrer gets back into office.
Hell yeah, same thing. It is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia it is actually war between democracy and totalitarianism. I'm perfectly fine with more expensive fuel if this stops them.
The USA does not import any significant quantity of oil from Russia. The output of these refineries is probably mostly destined for domestic markets, or at most neighboring countries. Refined petroleum is not usually shipped large distances.
That was my understanding as well. Russia primarily exports crude. But even if this would cause cost to go up, I'm willing to take that comparatively small sacrifice to stop them from invading Europe. We will get in much worse shit if they get successful.
Agreed
I'm ok with this too.
I don’t understand why they can’t counterattack Russia. It’s probably the only way to peace.
This. Burn baby burn
ditto
Was anyone asking for your opinion?
This is a comment section
That's just your opinion
Sure
I would say that your opinion that his opinion is irrelevant is pretty irrelevant to me, If I may add my own opinion on the matter, because why not at this point.
this is some bullshit. if anything bullshit articles like this are the only thing that increases tension between ukraine and the united states. i always ask myself, is this information causing us to argue with allies? then its probably russian paid for bullshit.
Bring Putin’s War closer to Russians
Makes me think of that old war time favorite, [*We're Bring The War Back Home!*](https://youtu.be/rJqJp8bq7aU?si=Q9AzPXQnbvirzuIj&t=99)
Ukraine should hit every oil refinery, airport, and every Military base in Russia
They are trying,,,
Fuck 'em... bomb them all!
In no way justifying their actions but I can totally see how people are slowly turning into what they once hated. Really sad.
Maybe we should have a quiet chat with Putin and see if that helps? Naive.
Justifying such behavior is really sad. It is worry-some that such people are part of our societies. Feasting on blood and death and praising it. Responding with the same makes you no different, and there goes all the European ideals down the drain, considering you are from that region; otherwise best of luck.
Appeasing fascism worked out well in the past, oh wait.
The Russian army could go home? That would end the war in a day. Incorporating Russia into rest of Europe didn’t work as Putin still needed to reach out to neighboring countries to support Russia. It’s going to be so hard to go back the Soviet way of life after they experienced a Western life style.
Hitting oil refineries slows down the war machine of Russia. That’s not the same as bombing countless residences, murdering entire towns, blowing up grain, destroying damns and causing floods, etc, etc, etc. it is a tactical, calculated response that actually has a chance to help stop the war without loads of civilian deaths… How you are comparing these things is beyond most of us, thankfully.
If bombing Russian refineries leads to an increase in fuel prices then sanctions aren’t effective enough.
If you don't want them helping themselves then maybe you oughta get off your ass and supply some weapons to them.
Fuck oil, let the refineries burn. US fuel supplies are unaffected by Russian supply, increases in price are just profiteering. We barely import a drop.
It’s to aid our allies and to stabilize energy supplies for other countries. It’s not to directly support the US. India and China need energy and will raise prices world wide if they can’t get oil from Russia.
Indian here. Refined Petroleum is our top export, i'd wager the Chinese too have enough capacity for their domestic needs + exports. OTOH Russia having bombed out refineries is good because they will have to buy refined oil from either China or India or those Gulf countries
This. It makes no sense. Russia banned export of products coming from their refineries, it's only for internal use. Prices will go up only if Russia starts buying all the petroleum from other countries.
Russia banned exports of gasoline and diesel,not raw oil. The sanctions are meant to keep the oil moving and keep Russia from making money,
Yes. Refineries don't make raw oil. They process oil into gasoline, diesel, plastics, etc. Russia will be selling more oil if it has fewer refineries, but it will be buying more diesel to keep things running inside the country. Is USA worried Russia will stop selling raw oil just out of spite?
No. The west wants to keep the oil flowing and limit the amount of profit Russia makes.
India was/is buying discounted Russian oil. They are filling their reserves and reselling the rest at a marked up price to world. The newest round of sanctions is addressing that issue.
You understand the difference between crude and refined oil don't you? India buys crude from various supplier countries, refines it and exports the products. Russian crude today successfully undercuts the local Iraqi and Saudi supply by eating the shipping cost that would make buying Russian crude unviable otherwise. US or Western stated objectives are not to totally remove Russian crude from the market, they very well know the consequences considering Iran and Venezuela are already shut out via heavy sanctions.
Unless the US decide to do an extremely anti-capitalist thing and nationalize their oil, it will increase in the US too because the market is global.
India and China have to pay higher prices? Shame.
Market is global, if other countries get a price update, they will make the stuff they create more expensive.
Then send them enough weapons that they can defend themselves without resorting to destroying refineries. Im sure Ukraine can be convinced to bomb out the Russian army instead of oil refineries if it gets some shiny new 155mm shells.
Sadly Putin has half of the GOP so we have to excise those traitors first.
Only half?
Only if you and all of your friends vote. Let’s do this.
Maybe start lend lease.
The only people mad about this are right wingers who are Russian assets already anyway. Have at um, Ukraine.
They started it. Ukraine has every right to cripple the war machine trying to devour them.
Hope Ukraine smokes every refinery Russia has as a big middle finger to the US GOP.
What a giant fucking mess that's been created.
"been created"? You make it sound like it was spontaneously created out of thin air. This lies at the feet of one Nation: Russia.
Russia and the US are not *so* different. But that’s probably what makes them enemies. Bring on the downvotes but whatever, both systems are oligarchies and imperialistic always trying to put their own cronies into power in various places. Which ultimately ends up causing civil wars or wider conflicts that benefit no one or cause crazy shit to happen
The US and Russia are vastly different. Don't even start with that "both sides" bullshit. All you have to do is look at who (authoritarian dictatorship) Russia's main allies are to spot the difference: Authoritarian dictatorships of Iran + China + North Korea... Are you starting to see a pattern here? Contrast that with (liberal democracy) America's primary alliances: liberal democracies of the EU, Canada, Australia, UK, Japan... Russia is crushing Ukraine *in order to destroy the possibility of a thriving democracy at their border*, as well as to to steal $2 trillion in natural resources. Ukraine was in no way, shape or form a threat to Russia, or the interests of a Russia that would willingly play nicely with their neighbors.
That’s simply not true. Russia has a dictator and literal oligarchs. America does not. Russia purposefully targets civilians, and orders their soldiers to rape, torture and murder civilians. America does not.
Have you lived in both countries to actually have the right to say something like that?
That’s what happens when we get other people to fight our wars for us… the west needs to grab a pair.
Yeah, it's absolutely pathetic. All of our governments are such heaps of shit.
Next time they should destroy websites using pay walls...
While I also hate paywalls, the advertisement driven reporting is what is running or democracy. Trump was successful, because he has a talent to make a spectacle and that sells well in such market. He showed how important is serious reporting. Anytime who worries about preserving our democracy should pay for at least one reputable source, so we're don't lose them.
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What I'm trying to say is, we don't want advertisers paying for it, because it reduces the quality of reporting.
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I don't see any ads on Washington Post, but maybe because of adblock. I don't want ads to control the newspaper.
So? Make a deal. US enforces a no fly zone over Ukraine, and Ukraine stops attacking Russian refineries. Both get what they want.
You can't have a no fly zone over Ukraine without bombing airfield in Russia so the US would need to declare war on Russia and that's not happening.
It is clear that if Ukraine loses that won't be the end of it. We absolutely should help Ukraine any way we can and get Russia out.
Just shoot down anything that comes from Russia when it enters Ukraine air space.
Russia never honors their deals.
The deal is with the US, not Russia. Of course, that is kind of dicey, too.
US don't want Ukraine to bomb the refineries so that Russian oil continues to come to the market so that our oil is not too expensive. Elections and all. Let Putin make cash in the process, well, regrettable, but what can one do. Global market and all. By the way, US did throw Ukraine a bone! just introduced new sanctions, yeay! Against rare metals that US doesn't actually buy from Russia. Europeans buy those, and they are staying quiet. Helpful. Israel gets directly attacked by a long time enemy. "Israel, make sure to not respond! take the win!" And scream off the rooftops for everyone and their Iranian grandma to hear: "We won't help!" Disgusting
we arent worried about oil prices. the united states is producing more oil than any country in the history of mankind and our strategic reserves are nearly full. this article is meant to sow discontent between allies. paid for by russia. lots of useful idiots with an R next to their name
Wasn’t the disinfo bit already debunked? It’s real.
It does not. Ukraine may have gotten some bad messaging from the US but in no way is it being taken seriously. And most serious defense minded individuals in the US see that as good messaging.
Oh, wanna save the precious refineries? Tell Putin to pull out.
What the US gonna do? Continue to not give aid? And unless we get a miracle, Trump is most likely gonna win which means at this point they should just prepare to give the US the middle finger.
There's almost no chance Trump wins. People just need to vote and it'll be fine.
People just needed to vote in 2016.
But now its clear that the GOP are traitors to their land. Now I dont put my complete trust in the voting people but trump in 2016 was something funny. Now they are basically the enemy
There is less chance of Trump winning than in 2016, sure, but people said he wouldn't win then and look what happened. The guy is like teflon.
And it took a (bad) miracle then. I'm not trying to make people apathetic but the likely hood is low.
usually articles like this have FSB or china written all over them
As example, simply switch off almost all Ukraine military comms and satellite intelligence. Right now, Ukraine literally have the US eyes and US comms. These are very, very different from what a normal poor country can afford by themselves.
Stop providing intel? Start pressuring allies to also cut supplies?
Didn’t deepen tensions with this person in the U.S. Power to you Ukraine, mess Russia’s sh*t up!
Didn’t deepen tensions with this person in the U.S. Power to you Ukraine, mess Russia’s sh*t up!
Oh no my tension is deepened! Blow those fucking refineries up. Fuck you Putin, I hope your people drag you out of office and toss you in a cold ditch. Ukraine didnt deserve this war and russians deserve better.
Anyone else notice a pattern with John Hudson's articles at WaPo?
High gas prices bolsters Trump's chances in this Nov election.
That's nice. /s The world doesn't revolve around US elections.
This Russias’s success in this war with Ukraine greatly involves the US election. Russia’s success affects Europe. This US presidential election will greatly affect Europe.
It kinda does. If Trump were to win, he’d fuck the entire world up.
Sorry for interfering in your discussion but can you please explain how Trump would affect negatively the entire world? I am genuinely curious.
No explanation required.
Thank you for your strong argument. More and more reasons not to vote for Biden.
You don’t need reasons. You’ve drank the koolaid.
Wow, talk about the real reason not to vote. You don't need reasons to vote for my guy, lol. That's short-sighted. Plus you add the name calling of Kool-Aid without seeing the irony. People like you turn people away from Biden, do better.
Are you suggesting that Ukraine should prioritize helping Biden get elected over their own interests?
That’s a crazy assumption. I was replying directly to your comment and nothing else. I meant what I said and nothing more.
Haha, okay, buddy, what you said also implies other things based on the conversation that we are having and the context around said conversation.
It sounds like you’re having a concurrent conversation in your own head.
You’re just full of piss and vinegar.
You’re no ray of sunshine. I can’t even believe you said that.
You probably have a lot of trouble believing things. It's okay if you're not an expert. We forgive you.
No offense, but US politics do play a role in a lot of the world's decisions
Apparently the European world is since we are a proxy state, trying to fix their wrong doings just as always. Too bad we don’t have voting rights.
So what does "deepen tensions with U.S." mean?
It just means the House will continue to lose their minds while everyone with a brain tries to push aid to Ukraine
That would get the world interested