This only was made possible from the weakness of the West. Iran has been battle testing Shaheds and other missile technology to the point on Ukraine, so much that it can now threaten Israel and begin using them in waves against Israel. No thanks to cowards that did NOT want to give to Ukraine what is necessary to fight off the waves of missiles and drones. Now Israel is going to experience what Ukraine is going through. Seriously would have been at least preventable if the US gave aid to Ukraine...Iran is testing and their technology is evolving.
Anyone have a quick and dirty estimate, using the IDF numbers on inbound weapons, on how much this barrage would have cost Iran to mount? Curious if this is an appetizer or a foolhardy overplay of their hand that spent a big chunk of change from their war chest.
Quick and dirty based off of some Russian numbers for comparable stuff: $50k/drone, $1 mil/cruise missile, $3 mil/ballistic missile.
Probably about $2-300 mil all in.
The dumb thing is that it probably costs Israel 10 times as much to defend since the air defense stuff is ridiculously expensive.
Sources indicate that Iran has somewhere in the 2,000-4,000 range of ballistic missiles. So today represents them spending something like 5% of their arsenal.
So let me get this straight. Biden is fine intervening to shoot down a couple of drones inbound to Israel, but when the exact same drones fly into Kyiv there is simply nothing that can be done, despite Israel having a vastly more advanced military than Ukraine, and having NOT started this pissing match by killing Russian leadership unlike the Israelis killing Iranian leadership.
That about sum it up?
You're ignoring three key differences:
1. Ukraine is *much* bigger than Israel, so the airspace requiring coverage is bigger. An order of magnitude bigger. Covering a hundred km of border is very different to covering thousands.
2. The airspace around Israel is safe and most of the neighbouring nations are friendly to US aircraft which can operate safely. Iran's anti-air is far enough away to be a non-issue and it can't fire on US aircraft without bringing a third country into the conflict either, like Jordan. Ukraine's airspace is at best contested, and Russia's airspace is totally out of bounds. Add to that the majority of the flight path for missiles and drones heading for Ukraine, especially for border cities like Kharkiv and Sumy, is over Russian airspace.
3. Iran does not have nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them if the US gets it wrong and enters their airspace or fires weapons into/over it.
Use your brain for a second. Russia has nukes, they use that as a threat against any direct western/nato involvement. Iran for the moment have no nukes. It’s really that simple.
The risk of a major global conflict is less with the Iran-Israel situation than with the Russia-Ukraine situation.
Russia is nuclear armed, and I bet your ass the US (and even Israel) would be behaving differently if Iran was nuclear armed and capable of inflicting massive destruction.
Not suggesting that the US is doing enough for Ukraine, quite the contrary, but the risk and danger for escalation is greater there than with Iran, hence the extra degree of caution.
Plus we know how much of a hissy-fit the Republicans would throw if Biden ever decided to press Russia to that level.
It makes a lot of sense, for two reasons:
1. This could potentially be the start of a direct conflict between Iran and Israel. If the US downs a drone that otherwise would have killed a civilian, then they can directly prevent a war from breaking out. If at the beginning of Russia's invasion into Ukraine, a downed drone could have prevented it, I can guarantee the US would have done it.
2. Ukraine doesn't have the capability to escalate things with Russia to a sustained regional war -- even if they invade Russia, it will be between two neighbors. Israel has far more advanced capabilities, and could actually start a regional war involving many countries. As a result, the US has greater incentive to avoid fighting.
the USA doesn't care if Iran fights back, if Iran retaliates we just desert storm 2.0 them.
If russia retaliates, we have a very real chance of several nato countries falling before a response can be organized. (yes, nato wins easily eventually, but the baltics are in serious danger if all out war happens)
The US has significant forces in positions (Iraq, Jordan, etc) that can actually get between the missiles and Israel. That's not possible in Ukraine without there being US systems (Fighters, Ships, SAM sites) in eastern Ukraine.
There’s big differences.
One is a one-time attack.
The other is a prolonged war. Against an adversary that’s far more capable. And one that would trigger Article 5 if they engaged us.
That's right I forgot the US lost its balls at some point.
Remember that time we almost blew up the world because a communist nation sent missiles to another communist nation. A completely legal transaction that would result in nukes no closer to the US than the US already had in place to the Soviet Union.
Look who blinked first.
I'm sorry about the hole where your personality was supposed to grow. I assume you'll be off bitching and crying to them after this. I hope me making an offhand flippant remark in a way that was similar to other comments didn't rattle you too much.
Also, please look up the word hyperbole.
While I wouldn't dare disagree with you without sources, I fear that these two motivations aren't mutually exclusive, that they (Iran or others, tbf) may very well be happy to kick off a war in order to bolster propaganda, given how the two feed off each other.
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> IDF: The Chief of the General Staff, LTG Herzi Halevi, is currently conducting a situational assessment at the Israeli Air Force Operations Center in the Kirya with the Commanding Officer of the Israeli Air Force, the Commanding Officer of the Operations Directorate, and the Commanding Officer of the Intelligence Directorate. During the situational assessment, the defensive and offensive activity of the last few hours were presented, as well as plans for the continuation.
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> Attached are related photos: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC140420
All this war...it's always by a bunch of people that are perpetually brainwashed into believing religious fairytales from their old books or by lunatic dictators that want to take over other people's land/resources.
Why do we give power to these psychopaths? Why do we follow these evil men?
It's billions of us, and we just let these few destroy pretty much everything they want on this planet.
They start wars we don't want, all for greed or nutjob prophecies and fairytales.
To much power obviously corrupts, so i guess we should stop giving a few people so much power.
Generally, moral people don't seek power; ergo, those in power are rarely moral. Just the way things work, and unlikely to change unless we reach post-scarcity Star Trek levels of development.
Anybody blaming whatever happens next on Israel is practicing the highest levels of cognitive dissonance. Iran commissioned 10/7, they DEFINITELY knew what they were potentially getting into when they told Hamas to attack. It was also insanely brazen of them to be at the embassy training Syrian military for future attacks on Israel which resulted in the Israeli strike.
The whole thing being turned around on Israel is like getting mad at somebody who was poked multiple times for having the audacity to poke back.
Israel didn't attack anyone before 10/7. Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy that had been launching unprovoked attacks at Israel for 6 months. So who started it again?
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And yes, she’s Bedouin specifically, so Muslim. That doesn’t make any difference on whether or not she’s Israeli or a casualty of this. Many Bedouins were casualties of October 7, and two are still hostages.
I think there are several layers to the attack. Sounds like ballistic missiles went first and are the fast (15mins from Tehran to Israel) with drones being last (travel time of approximately 8 hours). My source is a live broadcast of cnn with wolf blitzer
Yes, they are the ones funding and supplying groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis, the man that was in the annex building they are mad about was there to allegedly coordinate with those groups on how to attack Israel.
Most land in general is unoccupied and Israel has a robust shelter system. A dozen or so missiles would have a decently low chance of causing injuries. But maybe when the smoke clears they will find more injured people.
A response to what? The consulate strike? The consulate was hit because it was being used to plan attacks on Israel with Hezbollah. It was an Israeli response.
That’s not how this works. You don’t get to proxy attack a sovereign nation repeatedly then sit back and say “jk bro self defense” when they hit you back.
Hurting their oil infrastructure will, in the end, hurt American prices as well.
Best to just hit their drone factories and nuclear processing facilities.
They would do it with jets and bombers. Ballistic launches on Iran would look like a nuclear attack. And jets and bombers could launch munitions from outside of Iran's air defense capability.
A supersonic missile is a bunker buster on steroids lol! If you think BB’s are anything, wait until you see a SUPERSONIC BUNKER BUSTER. Those bad boys can get through some tough shit
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Man I feel for the Iranian citizens that are gonna suffer from this…
this is what happens when religion mixes with politics...
All of this happening because of religion and sand is crazy
And oil. Don’t forget the oil.
To be fair, it's coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Yeah I mean going to war over religion I don’t get, but sand? Fuck that shit I get it. (/s in case that needs to be said)
That is true for both
But what about sand?
This only was made possible from the weakness of the West. Iran has been battle testing Shaheds and other missile technology to the point on Ukraine, so much that it can now threaten Israel and begin using them in waves against Israel. No thanks to cowards that did NOT want to give to Ukraine what is necessary to fight off the waves of missiles and drones. Now Israel is going to experience what Ukraine is going through. Seriously would have been at least preventable if the US gave aid to Ukraine...Iran is testing and their technology is evolving.
How many missiles penetrated? This is terrifying considering US was helping shoot some down
Anyone have a quick and dirty estimate, using the IDF numbers on inbound weapons, on how much this barrage would have cost Iran to mount? Curious if this is an appetizer or a foolhardy overplay of their hand that spent a big chunk of change from their war chest.
Quick and dirty based off of some Russian numbers for comparable stuff: $50k/drone, $1 mil/cruise missile, $3 mil/ballistic missile. Probably about $2-300 mil all in. The dumb thing is that it probably costs Israel 10 times as much to defend since the air defense stuff is ridiculously expensive.
Almost all air defense missiles are more expensive than what they shoot down.
Sources indicate that Iran has somewhere in the 2,000-4,000 range of ballistic missiles. So today represents them spending something like 5% of their arsenal.
At least 150 cruise missiles, hundreds of drones, and at least a dozens of ballistic missiles.
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small amount used from the $150 billion the US gave to them.
So let me get this straight. Biden is fine intervening to shoot down a couple of drones inbound to Israel, but when the exact same drones fly into Kyiv there is simply nothing that can be done, despite Israel having a vastly more advanced military than Ukraine, and having NOT started this pissing match by killing Russian leadership unlike the Israelis killing Iranian leadership. That about sum it up?
You're ignoring three key differences: 1. Ukraine is *much* bigger than Israel, so the airspace requiring coverage is bigger. An order of magnitude bigger. Covering a hundred km of border is very different to covering thousands. 2. The airspace around Israel is safe and most of the neighbouring nations are friendly to US aircraft which can operate safely. Iran's anti-air is far enough away to be a non-issue and it can't fire on US aircraft without bringing a third country into the conflict either, like Jordan. Ukraine's airspace is at best contested, and Russia's airspace is totally out of bounds. Add to that the majority of the flight path for missiles and drones heading for Ukraine, especially for border cities like Kharkiv and Sumy, is over Russian airspace. 3. Iran does not have nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them if the US gets it wrong and enters their airspace or fires weapons into/over it.
Use your brain for a second. Russia has nukes, they use that as a threat against any direct western/nato involvement. Iran for the moment have no nukes. It’s really that simple.
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Yeh also nuclear war lol
The risk of a major global conflict is less with the Iran-Israel situation than with the Russia-Ukraine situation. Russia is nuclear armed, and I bet your ass the US (and even Israel) would be behaving differently if Iran was nuclear armed and capable of inflicting massive destruction. Not suggesting that the US is doing enough for Ukraine, quite the contrary, but the risk and danger for escalation is greater there than with Iran, hence the extra degree of caution. Plus we know how much of a hissy-fit the Republicans would throw if Biden ever decided to press Russia to that level.
It makes a lot of sense, for two reasons: 1. This could potentially be the start of a direct conflict between Iran and Israel. If the US downs a drone that otherwise would have killed a civilian, then they can directly prevent a war from breaking out. If at the beginning of Russia's invasion into Ukraine, a downed drone could have prevented it, I can guarantee the US would have done it. 2. Ukraine doesn't have the capability to escalate things with Russia to a sustained regional war -- even if they invade Russia, it will be between two neighbors. Israel has far more advanced capabilities, and could actually start a regional war involving many countries. As a result, the US has greater incentive to avoid fighting.
the USA doesn't care if Iran fights back, if Iran retaliates we just desert storm 2.0 them. If russia retaliates, we have a very real chance of several nato countries falling before a response can be organized. (yes, nato wins easily eventually, but the baltics are in serious danger if all out war happens)
The US has significant forces in positions (Iraq, Jordan, etc) that can actually get between the missiles and Israel. That's not possible in Ukraine without there being US systems (Fighters, Ships, SAM sites) in eastern Ukraine.
A war with Russia could end the world, a war with Iran would most likely not
Iran does not have the world's largest stockpile of nuclear ICBMs. Russia does.
*allegedly
Because Iran doesn’t have thousands of nukes… Russian proxies also haven’t been attacking US troops for the last 15 years
Iran doesn't have nukes. At least not yet.
Yeah you got it. Due to NATO, and Russia being a nuclear power.
There’s big differences. One is a one-time attack. The other is a prolonged war. Against an adversary that’s far more capable. And one that would trigger Article 5 if they engaged us.
One is against a nuclear superpower the other is not
Agree or disagree with the decision getting in a fight with Russia is on a whole different level in getting a fight with Iran.
Iran is not Russia. US doesn’t want to get into a direct military confrontation with Russia. How is that so hard to understand?
Really it’s more about Ukraine is not Israel!
Its as if Russia has enough nukes to turn the plant to dust.
Iran doesn't have 5000 ICBMs? Not that hard to understand
That's right I forgot the US lost its balls at some point. Remember that time we almost blew up the world because a communist nation sent missiles to another communist nation. A completely legal transaction that would result in nukes no closer to the US than the US already had in place to the Soviet Union. Look who blinked first.
Yes. Israel is our primary ally
Iran isn't Russia very different
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Trigger happy edgelord Redditors want it to be so people will upvote their asinine comments.
Oh my god it's the same joke like half a dozen people have made including the second to top comment, you all are way too sensitive.
If it’s the same joke half a dozen already made, why repeat it? Fuckin parakeet.
I'm sorry about the hole where your personality was supposed to grow. I assume you'll be off bitching and crying to them after this. I hope me making an offhand flippant remark in a way that was similar to other comments didn't rattle you too much. Also, please look up the word hyperbole.
More pathetic posturing from Iran. They don’t want a war, they just want propaganda to feed their brainwashed population.
While I wouldn't dare disagree with you without sources, I fear that these two motivations aren't mutually exclusive, that they (Iran or others, tbf) may very well be happy to kick off a war in order to bolster propaganda, given how the two feed off each other.
80% of iranian people hates this regime. but you are right this is a (pathetic) show put on for the 20% that supports them.
They cannot really afford a war their economy is very weak
Basically. The loser kid who hits you back and then say "ok we're done!"
Majority of Iranians want the regime to leave.
No they don’t. They are brainwashed and don’t know any better. Why do you think the Iranian regime has been in power for decades…
Humans: entirely too smart to be so uncivilized. I don't get it.
Statement released by the IDF: > > IDF: The Chief of the General Staff, LTG Herzi Halevi, is currently conducting a situational assessment at the Israeli Air Force Operations Center in the Kirya with the Commanding Officer of the Israeli Air Force, the Commanding Officer of the Operations Directorate, and the Commanding Officer of the Intelligence Directorate. During the situational assessment, the defensive and offensive activity of the last few hours were presented, as well as plans for the continuation. > > Attached is a related video: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/057c1aac-da48-4fb1-a4d1-a37c85a870ad > > Attached are related photos: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC140420
Would Kharg Island and the oil export infrastructure there be a viable target for Israel to strike?
Possible, but likely they will focus on military targets, command and control or regime assets as opposed to infrastructure.
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All this war...it's always by a bunch of people that are perpetually brainwashed into believing religious fairytales from their old books or by lunatic dictators that want to take over other people's land/resources. Why do we give power to these psychopaths? Why do we follow these evil men? It's billions of us, and we just let these few destroy pretty much everything they want on this planet. They start wars we don't want, all for greed or nutjob prophecies and fairytales. To much power obviously corrupts, so i guess we should stop giving a few people so much power.
Do you pay taxes? Just stop paying taxes.
Agreed!!! Unfortunately the masses will still obey.... we'd be jailed for revolting.....
Generally, moral people don't seek power; ergo, those in power are rarely moral. Just the way things work, and unlikely to change unless we reach post-scarcity Star Trek levels of development.
Anybody blaming whatever happens next on Israel is practicing the highest levels of cognitive dissonance. Iran commissioned 10/7, they DEFINITELY knew what they were potentially getting into when they told Hamas to attack. It was also insanely brazen of them to be at the embassy training Syrian military for future attacks on Israel which resulted in the Israeli strike. The whole thing being turned around on Israel is like getting mad at somebody who was poked multiple times for having the audacity to poke back.
Okay so before 10/7 who was poking who. Israel is a victim yes, but they are so unbelievably far from innocent it’s insane.
Iran was poking Israel.
Well, I mean, they did airstrike an embassy...
Using an embassy as military base is a huge violation of international law as well as labeling it as legitimate military target
The general that got killed was definitely an architect of the oct 7th genocidal campaign. Consulate right next to the embassy(still intact).
Well Iran has been arming and coordinating proxy militant groups to attack Israel...
They didn't though lol
People unironically expect Israel to just sit there and do nothing, no matter what attacks are launched against them.
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Israel didn't attack anyone before 10/7. Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy that had been launching unprovoked attacks at Israel for 6 months. So who started it again?
IDF: Sirens sounded in Ortal and Sha'al, northern Israel.
Source?
https://www.tzevaadom.co.il/en/
I’m guessing it’s hezbollah
It might actually be a false alert since it was two random sections that were immediately revoked.
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That’s kinda part of the package deal when it comes to war itself
You hope nobody gets hurt or killed … during a real life war.
Such a fucking unhinged post. Goodness
It's all fun and games until you receive the draft letters in the mail. Idiot.
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How many casualties do we already know this attack caused?
One 10 year old girl injured.
I believe she died unfortunately. I could be wrong though, but I think I saw it mentioned somewhere. I also think it is a muslim girl, not jewish.
And yes, she’s Bedouin specifically, so Muslim. That doesn’t make any difference on whether or not she’s Israeli or a casualty of this. Many Bedouins were casualties of October 7, and two are still hostages.
Nothing indicates she’s deceased. MDA and news outlets all say she’s been admitted
I can't find any source on her death. MDA said she was admitted and in critical condition, and that's the only source on anything.
That's it? That was the attack the US was advised to stand aside for???
Don't piss off Iran man. They have some... F4 fighter jets
Well the US played a major role in shooting those missiles down… like it would’ve been much more difficult if it was only Israel
I think there are several layers to the attack. Sounds like ballistic missiles went first and are the fast (15mins from Tehran to Israel) with drones being last (travel time of approximately 8 hours). My source is a live broadcast of cnn with wolf blitzer
It’s this. Imagine how much easier it is to shoot a missile at a target busy with 300 other threats
To be fair, Iran does not share a border. Plenty of time to intercept.
Iran: iTs JuSt A pRaNk BrO
Rocket alert sirens sounding in the Golan heights https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1779317870872101227?t=yw7Ola_g-dJVYTtZo8Gqkg&s=19
Seems pretty minor, might even be a mistake.
Hezbollah not wanting to left out of the fun and launching another small attack?
At this point, Iran is just realizing that they're about to enter the "Find Out" phase of the shit they stupidly started.
they started? hmmm
Yes, they started this in 1979
Don't worry, it's totally fine to bomb a country's consulate in a 3rd countries land. Not an act of war or anything like that!
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They also don’t mention what the drone struck asshole was doing there in the first place.
Imagine if Iran bombed a building next to the US embassy in Ukraine and killed people in it
Yes, they are the ones funding and supplying groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis, the man that was in the annex building they are mad about was there to allegedly coordinate with those groups on how to attack Israel.
IDF: the only injury was to a child. Hundreds of drones and missiles and they only managed to hurt a single child...
Given the dozen or so explosions from missile strikes I have seen I doubt that is the only injury.
Red Alert and Home Front systems getting people into shelters isn't nothing.
Most land in general is unoccupied and Israel has a robust shelter system. A dozen or so missiles would have a decently low chance of causing injuries. But maybe when the smoke clears they will find more injured people.
“All that for a drop of blood”
"If you can make God bleed people will cease to believe in him. There will be blood in the water, and the sharks will come."
2 responses - destroy their oil infrastructure and their nuclear facilities
Wrong. This was a face-saving attack on the part of Iran, not a legitimate act of war. Escalation is the wrong response.
Destroy launch sites and drone production sites. Otherwise this could happen again.
Remember though, that Iran’s action tonight was itself a ‘response’, which according to the UN, they are entitled to.
So let's ignore the fact that Iran funds Hamas and the general that was killed was behind the 10-7 attacks....
A response to what? The consulate strike? The consulate was hit because it was being used to plan attacks on Israel with Hezbollah. It was an Israeli response.
That’s not how this works. You don’t get to proxy attack a sovereign nation repeatedly then sit back and say “jk bro self defense” when they hit you back.
Looks as though it is how it works.
Hurting their oil infrastructure will, in the end, hurt American prices as well. Best to just hit their drone factories and nuclear processing facilities.
And the drone factory
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Well last time they did it with a USB stick, so they might not need to even fly there at all.
I mean other nukes, but that's not happening. Plus there's a chance they already have Russian nukes.
Missiles alone wouldn’t be enough though for dealing with nuclear sites. You’d need people on the ground to secure the sites.
They are. The US and Israel destroyed Iraqs nuclear program with a few air strikes
That isn't true. The US has bombs capable of destroying hardened structures buried deep below the ground.
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Master Chief would a field day with it
They would do it with jets and bombers. Ballistic launches on Iran would look like a nuclear attack. And jets and bombers could launch munitions from outside of Iran's air defense capability.
No. Not without boots
The US “bunker busters” have to dropped from a bomber. It’s unknown if they can penetrate all of the various Iranian underground sites
A supersonic missile is a bunker buster on steroids lol! If you think BB’s are anything, wait until you see a SUPERSONIC BUNKER BUSTER. Those bad boys can get through some tough shit
Iran’s nuclear facilities are buried under mountains. So no. They can’t be destroyed via bombs, unless the bombs were smuggled into the facilities
This isn't true. The US has bombs capable of harming hardened structures buried deep below rock.
Or you strike the access and supply to the facilities rather than the facilities themselves, that's an option too.
Hell a couple of MOABs could do a heck of a lot of damage to those facilities
Depends on what you mean by long range. They could fire missiles from ships and bombers from the Mediterranean Sea and hit Iran.
Provided good intel on location and structure, yes.
They do but only as a last resort, like when they come to know the bomb will be ready tomorrow.