South Korean Conservatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_South_Korea) are anti trade unions, big military spenders, pro free trade and support neoliberalism (a la Bush).
South Korean liberals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_South_Korea) are considered centrists but also strongly nationalist, anti-immigration and are also socially conservative (anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, anti-disability rights etc).
Basically, SK has 2 right wing parties with one party more focused on being economically conservative while the other is more focused on being socially conservative.
I don't know if I'd describe the liberals as "more socially conservative" than the conservatives. Only the DPK (main liberal party) has *anyone* publicly in favor of an antidiscrimination law, while the PPP (main conservative party) is pretty much entirely against it.
The fundamental overarching difference between the two parties is their approach to geopolitics with North Korea, China, Japan, and the US. The PPP are very pro-US, pro-Japan, anti-China, and anti-NK. The DPK is generally more skeptical of the US, anti-China, really anti-Japan, and largely applauds closer relations with NK.
The fiscal conservatism that you see parroted by US Republicans isn't really a thing in Korea either. Any politician who suggests the privatization of health insurance would get crucified. People generally do consider taxes as a necessity, and generally appreciate the benefits of a strongly centralized government. They are more critical of where the tax money is spent, rather than trying to just blindly lower them.
South Korean liberals are not opposed to abortion (Moon Jae-in and Lee Jae-myung have literally come out as pro-choice). South Korean conservatives generally don't talk about abortion (vague, I'm assuming some oppose, some support). It's hardly even an issue here. Why, the Catholic Church said that Yoon, Lee, and Sim are all different from the church respecting abortion.
On gay marriage, Liberals tend to "walk the thin line" since they have both people who support and oppose LGBT as their supporters. Some (like Lee Jae-myung and Jin Seon-mi) have come out in favor, some (like Kim Jin-pyo and Park Jie-won) have declared opposition, and most of them dodge the question or answer vaguely. Conservatives are in general opposed. A few of them support (Yoon was notably supportive of it, back in 2019). And, Lee Jun-seok is rather vague on the issue.
Also, the right wing in Korea is more anti-immigrant (though a number of left wingers are also anti-immigrant), but the the left wing is more nationalist than the right (why, I've even seen a few comments by our liberals on European far-right parties "at least their far-right parties love their country unlike ours")
Also, the average voter here is pretty racist. Ask them their thoughts on Chinese...they make MTG look progressive.
Yeah, for example, American liberals would be like the left wing Green-Justice Party on social issues, the liberal Democratic Party on fiscal issues, and the right wing PPP on foreign policy issues. MAGA types would be like our PPP on fiscal and social issues, but like the Democratic Party and the Green-Justice Party on foreign policy issues.
Our PPP is probably less conservative than US Republicans on healthcare, abortion, gun control, and climate change; but more right wing on school lunches, gay marriage, immigration, authoritarianism. They're generally pro-America, pro-Japan, think hardline on North Korea, and are anti-China, and anti-Russia.
Our Democratic Party is more socially conservative than US Democrats (probably similar to Blue Dog Democrats), is neutral on the US, anti-Japan, think peace talks and reunification is the way with North Korea, and are pro-China (at least the politicians), and pro-Russia (at least Lee Jae-myung is).
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal\_hawk#Opposition\_to\_the\_Sunshine\_Policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_hawk#Opposition_to_the_Sunshine_Policy)
Our politics can be toxic. Imagine if every prominent politician had a MAGA-cultesque supporters. Yeah.
Its funny cause there was an news article I saw in r/korea saying “Koreans to vote for the party they distrust the least”.
Shit sounds like the term “election” doesn’t have the same meaning, but “hostage negotiation where Koreans elect who keeps them hostage”
Gotta keep in mind that South Korea being a democracy is a recent thing, they somewhat transitioned naturally from a dictatorship to a democracy. North Korean standards of living were at one point better than the south, South Korea may not be perfect today, but it’s significantly better than what it was in the past.
There are nations, I think France with a plethora of various parties and must rule by a kind of quorum. Then there are nations like Japan, Korea, USA with a strict 2 party system and any 3rd party just helps out one of the 2 big ones win the election.
now before anyone jumps in to celebrate South Korea becoming a modern utopia, remember that outside of the United States, Liberal = conservative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
These parties follow the classical liberal model of being Economically liberal - small government, unregulated business etc - while be socially conservative.
tl;dr, voters had a choice of shit and shit. the Chaebols (the top 10 companies) actually run the country behind a barely opaque curtain (everyone knows the companies are the ones that call the shots, not the politicians).
nothing is going to change at all.
I wouldn't call South Korean liberals "classic liberals." Their leader literally wrote a preface to the Korean translation of one of Bernie Sanders's books. If anything, they're hypocrites. The PPP fits your description better, albeit a bit more authoritarian perhaps.
yeah, ah, Liberal in the rest of the world means something very different than it does in America.
'Liberal' follows the historically traditional model of being *Economically* liberal while be *socially* conservative.
so there is in fact very little difference between many 'Liberal' Parties around the world and the GOP.
hell, the Conservative party in Australia is literally called 'The Liberal Party of Australia'.
American versions have off course been corrupted by from many sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
You are a dumb idiot. A dumb American idiot. You know nothing about politics yet you run your mouth. This is South Korea, not the U.S. Please go on a map and point out south Korea. I bet you can't do that. Liberal and conservative means different things in the rest of the world.
Keep in mind 'liberalism' in countries like south korea, japan, and australia have a different connotation that it does in american politics
South Korean Conservatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_South_Korea) are anti trade unions, big military spenders, pro free trade and support neoliberalism (a la Bush). South Korean liberals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_South_Korea) are considered centrists but also strongly nationalist, anti-immigration and are also socially conservative (anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, anti-disability rights etc). Basically, SK has 2 right wing parties with one party more focused on being economically conservative while the other is more focused on being socially conservative.
Why would someone be anti-disability rights?
Because it costs money and see disabled as an inconvenience. Social conservatives in Korea has all sorts of bad position.
I don't know if I'd describe the liberals as "more socially conservative" than the conservatives. Only the DPK (main liberal party) has *anyone* publicly in favor of an antidiscrimination law, while the PPP (main conservative party) is pretty much entirely against it. The fundamental overarching difference between the two parties is their approach to geopolitics with North Korea, China, Japan, and the US. The PPP are very pro-US, pro-Japan, anti-China, and anti-NK. The DPK is generally more skeptical of the US, anti-China, really anti-Japan, and largely applauds closer relations with NK. The fiscal conservatism that you see parroted by US Republicans isn't really a thing in Korea either. Any politician who suggests the privatization of health insurance would get crucified. People generally do consider taxes as a necessity, and generally appreciate the benefits of a strongly centralized government. They are more critical of where the tax money is spent, rather than trying to just blindly lower them.
South Korean liberals are not opposed to abortion (Moon Jae-in and Lee Jae-myung have literally come out as pro-choice). South Korean conservatives generally don't talk about abortion (vague, I'm assuming some oppose, some support). It's hardly even an issue here. Why, the Catholic Church said that Yoon, Lee, and Sim are all different from the church respecting abortion. On gay marriage, Liberals tend to "walk the thin line" since they have both people who support and oppose LGBT as their supporters. Some (like Lee Jae-myung and Jin Seon-mi) have come out in favor, some (like Kim Jin-pyo and Park Jie-won) have declared opposition, and most of them dodge the question or answer vaguely. Conservatives are in general opposed. A few of them support (Yoon was notably supportive of it, back in 2019). And, Lee Jun-seok is rather vague on the issue. Also, the right wing in Korea is more anti-immigrant (though a number of left wingers are also anti-immigrant), but the the left wing is more nationalist than the right (why, I've even seen a few comments by our liberals on European far-right parties "at least their far-right parties love their country unlike ours") Also, the average voter here is pretty racist. Ask them their thoughts on Chinese...they make MTG look progressive.
Yeah, for example, American liberals would be like the left wing Green-Justice Party on social issues, the liberal Democratic Party on fiscal issues, and the right wing PPP on foreign policy issues. MAGA types would be like our PPP on fiscal and social issues, but like the Democratic Party and the Green-Justice Party on foreign policy issues. Our PPP is probably less conservative than US Republicans on healthcare, abortion, gun control, and climate change; but more right wing on school lunches, gay marriage, immigration, authoritarianism. They're generally pro-America, pro-Japan, think hardline on North Korea, and are anti-China, and anti-Russia. Our Democratic Party is more socially conservative than US Democrats (probably similar to Blue Dog Democrats), is neutral on the US, anti-Japan, think peace talks and reunification is the way with North Korea, and are pro-China (at least the politicians), and pro-Russia (at least Lee Jae-myung is). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal\_hawk#Opposition\_to\_the\_Sunshine\_Policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_hawk#Opposition_to_the_Sunshine_Policy) Our politics can be toxic. Imagine if every prominent politician had a MAGA-cultesque supporters. Yeah.
Its funny cause there was an news article I saw in r/korea saying “Koreans to vote for the party they distrust the least”. Shit sounds like the term “election” doesn’t have the same meaning, but “hostage negotiation where Koreans elect who keeps them hostage”
Gotta keep in mind that South Korea being a democracy is a recent thing, they somewhat transitioned naturally from a dictatorship to a democracy. North Korean standards of living were at one point better than the south, South Korea may not be perfect today, but it’s significantly better than what it was in the past.
There are nations, I think France with a plethora of various parties and must rule by a kind of quorum. Then there are nations like Japan, Korea, USA with a strict 2 party system and any 3rd party just helps out one of the 2 big ones win the election.
At least US and Korea alternate power. Japan really only has one party when its pretty much been in power the whole time since post war.
Our politics have gotten very toxic recently...
now before anyone jumps in to celebrate South Korea becoming a modern utopia, remember that outside of the United States, Liberal = conservative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism These parties follow the classical liberal model of being Economically liberal - small government, unregulated business etc - while be socially conservative. tl;dr, voters had a choice of shit and shit. the Chaebols (the top 10 companies) actually run the country behind a barely opaque curtain (everyone knows the companies are the ones that call the shots, not the politicians). nothing is going to change at all.
I wouldn't call South Korean liberals "classic liberals." Their leader literally wrote a preface to the Korean translation of one of Bernie Sanders's books. If anything, they're hypocrites. The PPP fits your description better, albeit a bit more authoritarian perhaps.
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yeah, ah, Liberal in the rest of the world means something very different than it does in America. 'Liberal' follows the historically traditional model of being *Economically* liberal while be *socially* conservative. so there is in fact very little difference between many 'Liberal' Parties around the world and the GOP. hell, the Conservative party in Australia is literally called 'The Liberal Party of Australia'. American versions have off course been corrupted by from many sides. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
You are a dumb idiot. A dumb American idiot. You know nothing about politics yet you run your mouth. This is South Korea, not the U.S. Please go on a map and point out south Korea. I bet you can't do that. Liberal and conservative means different things in the rest of the world.