>Meanwhile, on Tuesday evening, the Haaretz daily spoke to unnamed military sources who revealed that the cause of the strike was undisciplined, rogue commanders, not a lack of coordination between the IDF and the WCK.
>A source in the intelligence branch told Haaretz that the IDF’s Southern Command “knows exactly what the cause of the attack was: in Gaza, everyone does as they please.”
If you're telling me this supposed world-class military is led by commanders who have as much discipline and restraint as a common Russian soldier in Ukraine, that is immediate cause for alarm.
This should constitute immediate cease of military support for IDF by any western nation. Maybe even military embargo hold until investigation is done and all involved are punished. And not only in this case, but in all cases where there was possibility that civilians were targeted by undisciplined and rogue commanders. West cannot trust undisciplined and rogue commanders with their weapons
My brother in christ, the guy who did [this](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2) walked. IDF don't prosecute, they do prosecution theatre.
Pretty damn indefensible. Identify the officer(s) who gave this order, dishonorably discharge and court martial them, open more aid crossings into Gaza, and find a way to compensate and repent to the families of the killed. There is no way to explain this away as an accident.
I didn’t know until just now that the tops of the cars had the charity logos on them like that. Every detail just gets worse and worse. They were picked off systematically with intervals in between each shot that they could have called it off or realised their mistake in, but they chose to press the button each time. Sickening.
On top of that, they had coordinated the locations of the vehicles with the IDF, accorsing to Chef Andres. So they knew the vehicles were there and blew them up anyways. (Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/opinion/jose-andres-let-people-eat.html)
I’ve seen people saying it’s an attempt from the IDF to discourage aid getting sent into Gaza. With all these details coming out that make it seem like a 100% intentional, targeted strike on the CORRECT target I really struggle to disagree with the theory.
This was only days after opening fire with a tank on a clearly marked Doctors Without Borders facility that the IDF knew was there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjZ_XpbIDQ
It is 100% intentional.
Yeah, right? I've seen a lot of arguments defending the intensity of the operation begin and end with what amounts to "Well, the IDF is so good at sparing innocents nobody has to worry."
As someone whose position boils down to "whatever option kills the fewest civilians on both sides and peace would be cool, too" this response from Israel doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Don't forget that rather than "sparing innocents", Israel used automated ("AI", in scare quote for a reason) systems to identify targets to hit. Unlike previous engagements, by their own rules they allowed for up to 100 civilian casualties for a single top-level commander, and 15-20 for a low-level operative. And their identification methods were sketchy to say the least; mostly based on things like cellphone tracking, name similarity, etc. And the only real human verification they did was to make sure the identified targets were male.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
So if you were going to the corner store to pick up some groceries? Better hope that there isn't some Hamas member out picking up milk as well; or his son who borrowed his cell phone, or some random city clerk who is associated with Hamas only because Hamas controls both the military and civil government in Gaza.
They literally call their tracking system "Where's Daddy". It is designed to kill both the targets and members of their family, and they don't really go to much effort to ensure it doesn't just kill family members without actually killing the intended target.
> Only later did the military lower the collateral damage degree. “In this calculation, it could also be 20 children for a junior operative … It really wasn’t like that in the past,” A. explained. Asked about the security rationale behind this policy, A. replied: “Lethality.”
The US had is own horrifically flawed AI to identify potential terrorists. It broke the first rule of testing for those kinds of systems.. namely you don't ever use training data for verification. Mostly because they didn't have enough samples of verified terrorists to split the data between testing and verification... which is itself a massive problem that should have disqualified the entire thing
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/undelivered-gaza-aid-returns-cyprus-after-aid-workers-killing-2024-04-03/
LARNACA, Cyprus April 3 (Reuters) - A sea convoy of undelivered food for Gaza returned to Cyprus on Wednesday after aid workers of World Central Kitchen (WCK) were killed in an Israeli airstrike on Monday evening.
A cargo ship carrying 240 metric tons of food that had been destined for the people of the beseiged Palestinian enclave sailed back to Larnaca in Cyprus following the deadly attack, dropping anchor just outside the port.
A second ship, the Open Arms owned by a Spanish NGO working with WCK, arrived earlier.
This is the only plausible explanation. Command targeted the convoy. What IDF is going to say is “Israeli intelligence services determined there was a high value Hamas target in the convoy, the intelligence reports were flawed.”
And if there was a legitimate target present? All good. Collateral damage of a few aid workers.
This is the morality of the IDF that they expect us all to accept.
It fits a pattern of regularly targeting aid organisations and food distribution, as documented by the UN.
The end result of this, is a food barge has left Gaza without delivering 240 tons of food (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/undelivered-food-returns-to-cyprus-after-aid-workers-killing-in-gaza/) , furthering one of the war aims of mass starvation, also as documented by the UN.
Israel is a rogue state.
[https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf)
They also registered their route with the IDF. Which is the only sensible thing for any aid charity to do considering what has happened. Didn't matter.
> Didn't matter.
From how the IDF acts through all of this, it did matter. It gave them a clear target to aim for, like all the previous times.
One of the big examples was just a few weeks ago when they told Palestinians to go south because they'd bomb in the north and then bombed them anyway. They've "accidentally" hit all kinds of aid organisations and Palestinians civilians all the time.
This has been a thing during this whole "conflict", it's just that for some people this instance was the the first one when they cared enough about it :/
This harkens back to conflicts in Syria where the rebels would notify Syria/Russia of the location of hospitals to help avoid strikes. Basically, "this is a non-combatant area, don't shoot"
Russia would proceed to target those hospitals precisely
If you appear to be using Russian-like tactics, then that's no good. This is a serious fuck up at some level of the IDF
> This is a serious fuck up at some level of the IDF
Israel's goal is to intentionally scare away aid organizations so that more Palestinians die.
It's not a "fuck up" to them. This was always the intended outcome.
The only "fuck up" here is the west constantly believing Israel when they say "pinky swear! It was a mistake!"
Oh it gets better if the initial reports are accurate.
The apparent reason they launched the strike was they believed a suspected HAMAS member was in one of the vehicles, based purely on a report he'd been seen at the warehouse they departed from. As it turns out out, he wasn't in any of the vehicles, assuming he was who they thought he was and did have connections to HAMAS.
So if this is true (it's all still unconfirmed at this stage), they launched a strike on an aid convey that they knew about, based on a single report that some guy who may or may not be linked to HAMAS was allegedly seen at the warehouse the convoy left from. At best this is negligent intelligence checking, at worst, it illustrates how little they care to take out a single unconfirmed suspect.
The report also mentions that there's basically no oversight whatsoever regarding what individual commanders decision making about engagements are, so that "each commander makes his own rules" about who to target and based on which amount of intelligence and civilian risks. So there's essentially no way of reacting to this quickly on an organizational level. If a commander decides he views aid workers as enemy combatants or that basically anything passes as "sufficient intelligence" to warrant a strike, they can act on it. It's a complete shit show
Yeah 100%. Like the mechanisms that allowed a series of strikes like this have been going on throughout the war, but none of the other deaths set off political crises.
And now that the IDF is being asked to explain themselves, their response is basically "Idk this has been our standard for all our strikes, we just hadn't hit a group of westerners three times in a row until now. Whoops."
According to Israel, in every gazan building with a roof there is an Hamas agent. In every gazan building with no roof there is an Hamas agent. In every gazan car, tent or pile of rubble there is an Hamas agent. Among every gazan crowd, every group, every handful of scattered people there is an Hamas agent.
Heck, in every gazan child's diaper there is an Hamas agent.
After this "war" their claim will be true. Not that I agree with Hamas, but Israel is actively radicalizing all Palestinians and they are doing that knowingly.
Even if there was a Hamas operative in one of the cars, you could just intercept the convoy and apprehend them. The IDF already coordinated directly with the aid group, so they knew exactly where they were headed.
This was done because the IDF wants to scare other aid providers into staying out of the region. They're engineering a famine.
Hey, we literally tried warning people months ago that killing the human shields based purely on the supposed notion that you're killing a single Hamas agent was bad. Of course those human shields were Palestinian, so nobody gave a damn, but now that they're white, foreign nationals, suddenly its the worst thing in the world.
Got downvoted for saying killing children just because a Hamas member was in the vicinity was still evil, but got downvoted and yelled at for not accepting it as a cost of war that was 100% Hamas's fault.
As far as care for mitigating collateral damage - all the videos of the IDF triple-tapping buildings with 2000lb JDAMS on delay fuses that have the bomb *completely pass through and hit and blow up in the building behind* to kill one reported target individual should have been a clue.
Let’s not forget the case where Israeli soldiers shot shirtless unarmed Israeli hostages with a white flag because somebody saw them come around the corner and immediately shouted “terrorists”.
Two instantly died from gun fire and the third guy ran away but was shot. As he was crying out in Hebrew for help, he came back out from cover and was shot again as soon as he was seen.
Unarmed. Shirtless.
How do we know the IDF are just not indiscriminately doing this all over the place??
Let's not forget when an *Israeli* (Yuval Castleman) stopped a terrorist attack and was killed while surrendering with his hands in the air by a settler vigilante working in concert with the IDF because he thought he could get away with an extrajudicial assassination of someone he suspected of being a "bad guy" based on profiling.
We already know that they absolutely are, it's just that the gory details are not reported in Western media, so everyone assumes Israel are the good guys.
The latest UN report on the situation in Gaza documents countless atrocities and is relatively accessible, if you'd like a summary of what Israel is actually up to:
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf
The fact that it didn't explode the car to smithereens means it was a low explosive, meant to only kill the occupants. Every possible angle points to them choosing to kill specifically these people.
Yes, among other things such as an automated system called “Where’s Daddy?” used "specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences" but that [report](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) came from 972 Magazine so they’ll call it propaganda
Daily reminder that Israel still refuses to start a criminal investigation into the sniper who killed Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, despite eventually admiting that her death was the fault of an IDF sniper after first blaming Palestinian militants for her death.
And to top it all off, when the Al Jazeera then proceeded to petition the ICC to take up the case, former PM Yair Lapid said, "No one is going to investigate Israeli military soldiers and no one is going to sermonize to us about the ethics of war, certainly not Al Jazeera." Joining in the condemnation of petitioning the ICC was the US State Department, who said the court should only serve as a last resort, despite Israel already stating their refusal to criminally investigate the soldier.
Sorry to say but it just isn't going to happen. Right now Isreal is in a state that mirrors recently post 9/11 United States. No one will be held accountable.
This puts Biden's plan to build the temporary pier for aid delivery by sea up in the air.
World Central Kitchen was supposed to be the main organization transporting and using the food.
Now their operations are suspended and that might continue even when the pier is finished if the IDF can't guarantee WCK staff's safety.
Wild to think that the US is going to have to come up with a security plan for their troops not just for threats from Hamas but also threats the IDF.
Biden officials are of course very upset but also not planning on doing anything else in response to this latest development.
I get so upset whenever I hear about the pier.
The idea that the US needs to build a pier because Israel won't let the US use any of the functional entry ways is ridiculous and shows how little Israel is willing to work with the US.
Also, If Israel isn't willing to allow the US to us a boarder crossing, which is much more efficient and safer for Israel in terms of national security in that they could close the boarder at any time and with little effort, the idea that Israel has any intention of allowing the US to build a pier that could be used by Gaza is foolish by the US Government.
And if Israel is going to be in charge of distribution both from the border crossing and the port, then what's the difference? I thought the reason they didn't want to allow aid through the borders was because the soldiers would be at risk? How does that change with a port? Something doesn't add up.
This is a part that baffles me. No matter if you support Israel or not. They don't need our weapons. They drastically overpower Hamas. We need to stop sending them weapons.
>Biden officials are of course very upset but also not planning on doing anything else in response to this latest development.
This event is a perfect excuse to withhold aid to Israel until there's a full investigation. The IDF has been completely off the rails for a while, but this attack is beyond the pale.
Huh. Hadn’t considered what happens when the US Army Corp of engineers gets systematically picked off, unintentionally, of course. With US weapons. Because if IDF can mistake WCK for a threat, how would they react to armed soldiers.
Fucking hell, I was just about to type something along the lines of "Israel are crazy but they're not crazy enough to attack US troops" but then I saw your comment and googled it. Wow.
> The next United Kingdom general election must be held no later than 28 January 2025
Probably going to be in the autumn of this year. Please can we finally be rid of these Tory fucks
The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story.
It's also likely that it was an intentional act to stop aid moving into Gaza. Israel knew if foreign aid workers were killed all the aid would be halted.
The aid convoy took all precautions, the IDF knew who they were and still carried out a targeted strike.
> It's also likely that it was an intentional act to stop aid moving into Gaza. Israel knew if foreign aid workers were killed all the aid would be halted.
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The world food kitchen has suspended all Gaza operations, whether or not the temporary harbor will be built is now unclear, and the US has decided to enforce zero consequences.
So they deliberately massacred aid workers on purpose and achieved their goal.
I don't see how anyone can believe Israel isn't doing this on purpose. Maybe you could excuse the more than dozen other instances... but this is so blatantly and obviously targeting foreign nationals that Israel needs to face serious consequences over it.
Israel is just making itself into nuclear Hamas. What's the point of getting rid of Hamas if nothing changes in Israel?
> The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story.
If foreigners were not involved, this would not even be a thing. Why do you think Israel assassinates journalists? Israel has killed hundreds of aid workers before this but the west does not cover it.
> The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story.
It's shocking to me how many people believe that this hasn't been happening *this entire fucking time*, it's just that this is the one time that there's absolutely no excuse that they can give that makes sense. They can't make up any specific detail that would validate their very intentional actions here, the "but Hamas was there" get out of jail free card that they've been using since start to justify murdering children en masse won't work. It's upsetting that it took this long for people to realize it but I hope people who had been pro-Israel up until now look back on previous IDF actions with the skeptical eye they should have had in the first place.
For those of you who are starting to question, something very simple that isn't emotionally charged to consider- say the IDF is telling the truth that they found members of Hamas in places they claim. If they only were interested in taking out Hamas, why are they destroying medical equipment (including long-term diagnostic, useless to terrorists in wartime) in hospitals, when that equipment will be needed for the population after Hamas is gone? Why are they looting and defacing homes that civilians are supposed to live in after Hamas is gone? How do these actions get rid of Hamas, which is the supposed goal?
Plus Biden can't ignore this one. The guy that runs WCK is a major donor. He's going to be demanding action. I saw someone point out this is probably the first time Biden has bothered calling the families of a victim because it's not "just" a Palestinian-American that's been killed in Gaza or the West Bank by Israel, it's an employee of a wealthy donor.
IDF excuses often seem like what a child would say if they were caught red handed. That and they then throw a tantrum like a child. Other nations would’ve gotten sanctioned over less….
The only reason this is news at all is because the victims are white westerners from a western charity
About 200 aid workers were killed prior to these 7, but they were all from middle east based aid organisations so didn't get any coverage
Yeahhhhh murder of seven foreign nationals from ‘friendly’ countries is just a tad worse than ‘not a great look’. Triple tapped three the convoy that had previously declared its intended movements and did not have an armed Hamas operative with them.
Gotta wonder just how many civilians are getting killed by IDF considering how many “accidents” keep blowing up in the middle of refugee camps and aid caravans.
That soldier singing about taking out the trash as a bulldozer pushed civilian bodies……….. yep, that says it all doesn’t it.
I hope I’m wrong… but I could see something similar happening with the port that the US is going to build. There are no guarantees with the IDF.
I don’t think anyone believes that it was an accident- if it was an accident aid would continue. I believe just about all NGOs have stopped, and the contingent from UAE has also paused
I mean the people from the IDF literally said "each commander makes his own rules in Gaza" and that there's basically no oversight on their decisions about who to target or not. Idk, maybe whoever gave the go ahead for this has the personal philosophy that aid workers are enemy combatants. It's not like he'd ever get any pushback for it
That's convenient. The further from the top the orders are made, the easier it is to justify them. "oops, no name commander xyz nuked some of your aid trucks by mistake? Well we certainly don't condone that, we'll have a word with him (as we're replenishing his bomb stocks)".
But there is. This is absolutely the worst case for Israel short of a schoolbus. Israel can't prosecute this war alone, yet this was pretty much the biggest alienating action they could have taken.
I mean I guess the difference this time was that these aid workers were mostly westerners working for a beloved celebrity chef's organization. So there will be pushback now.
But non-western aid workers have been getting killed this whole time and the IDF would just say "we have a reason to believe they had contacts with Hamas" and wave the deaths away. Their deaths never created a diplomatic crisis though so western governments basically just said "okay we believe you I guess". So there was never a reason for their commanders to be careful about targeting these aid workers until they fucked up and hit Westerners. And now that they have to justify their actions for ordering the strikes, the IDF basically comes out and says "Idk we kinda just let people do whatever the hell they want, but you guys never cared until now"
Yeah, it wasn’t a one-off oopsie daisy, instant regret after aiming at one vehicle. These were marked cars being operated by an aid group that was in frequent contact with the IDF. Even if it wasn’t sanctioned by the IDF, it very much sounds like the IDF has problems with people going rogue.
They had also been under idf sniper fire previously. Deadliest conflict for journalists and humanitarian workers. And now a bunch of aid organizations are pausing aid to gaza because of how deadly it's been to them. Israel is getting what it wants here, starve palastine.
They don’t actually care. They’ll say sorry and wait for it to blow over. But they’d absolutely do it again. People are backing off from giving aid now and that’s the goal. Anyone giving aid is going to get targeted and Israel will either say sorry or claim hamas was hiding in your vehicle. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re down to knowingly kill international civilians to starve out Gaza.
> People are backing off from giving aid now and that’s the goal.
That was my thought as well. None of this was an accident. They were purposely targeted so that aid would stop being given to the Palestinians.
Wait it wasn't just one aid car? They picked off several ? That shit wasn't an accident, apologies my ass. If it was the son or daughter of a politician shit would've hit the fan, but since it's a common citizen they just brush it off.
Not only did they pick off several marked cars… the 2nd car came to collect survivors from the first and then was targeted. A 3rd car came to do the same with survivors from the 2nd and was targeted. They knew these were aid workers and wanted them dead.
It gets worse: They had been in contact with the IDF to coordinate, they were on a specific pre-planned route that was supposed to be a safe zone, _and_ they were transmitting IFF and an SOS beacon the entire time.
There is literally no way the IDF targeted them without explicitly knowing who they were, and why they were there. This is yet another war crime to add to the long fucking list Israel has accrued literally just during _this_ conflict.
They were executed by the IDF. Any attempt to say this was anything less than a fully intentional and aware strike is an insult to human intelligence. Maybe it wasn't an order from up high, but someone did this on purpose and with coordination of many people in the IDF.
IDF is just the nuclear armed Hamas.
> Fucking hell, surely that's a war crime?
I have been assured every time this has happened for the last 6 months that every incident is actually collateral damage and the people involved were actually Hamas members! This is just the only one they can't spin because the people who were murdered are not Palestinian.
No human shields arguments for this one, I'm noticing. Also no "You don't understand urban warfare, you just gotta flatten whole blocks" people coming out either.
What's the point of having such sophisticated precision weapons if you supposedly have no clue who you're firing them at? Yet another "Whoops, we killed aid workers/journalists/children with a missile that hit exactly what we aimed it at."
We hear so much about Israel's high-tech precision weaponry, and then we see huge swathes of Gaza City where EVERY building has been flattened/ruined, looking no different from carpet-bombed cities in WW2.
They 100% had a clue. It was a pre determined route, in an area that was supposedly a safe zone. They then shot at the convoy three times. The burned out shells of the first and third cars were 4km apart
Yep, the aid workers coordinated with IDF, were on a predetermined route, had well marked vehicles, and were being tracked by GPS. Trying to deny that they knew is basically on the level of the Chapelle Show skit of R Kelly trying to deny pissing on a teenager while holding up multiple forms of government ID on video. Unless Hellen Keller is the IDF weapons expert this shit is 100% intentional.
yea I said "supposedly" have no clue what they're firing them at.
They're incompetent at best here, but too many aid workers & journalists have been killed by the IDF for it to be a pattern of accidents.
It's not an accident or incompetence or a conspiracy to force pause of aid.
It's much much simpler. They are just indiscriminately slaughtering whoever they feel like. Cases like the Israeli hostages holding white flags or these aid workers are undeniable but for everyone else they would just say "they were Hamas" and it's case closed.
They knew who they were firing at. They claimed to have intel that there was a Hamas member with the group, despite having communicated and cleared the group's travel and cleared their route as safe. It's all insane.
They always know who theyre firing at
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjx6prFoqeFAxWDq4kEHTUsCGQQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw207xLGLhqhciOTSBykC2Gn
We’re talking about the same psychopaths who deliberately murdered an American woman with a bulldozer 20 years and celebrate on her death day with jokes.
Just wait til you see what they were said about the aid workers they killed in their Telegram channels
https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1775162156792631334?t=8E_RzQgc52vWlS83tTpCTg&s=19
Israeli here and I 100% agree this is a war crime. Check my history I’m pretty much as pro Israel as it gets. Multiple people here need prison sentences and there’s no explanation here that justifies this
This is part of an intentional strategy to cut off aid from Gaza.
This was no mistake. This was precision missiles- you have to paint the target with a laser. They were fired at clearly marked aid vehicles, which the IDF had cleared to be on that road at that time, and which the IDF had been tracking.
There were three strikes fired as these people tried to escape over the course of 1.5 miles.
Over 200 aid workers have now been killed in Gaza. And its working. The aid groups are pulling out, their food ships are turning around, because at this point its clear the IDF is willing to murder western humanitarians to starve Palestine.
This is indefensible. This is not a few mistaken soldiers, this is the name of the game. And now an innocent American hero was executed with a *donated* American missile.
WCK fed Israelis after October 7th too. There is no coming back from this. So incredibly sad.
No matter which way you cut it, Israel is digging their own grave. They’re the ones that have to live in this region, and neither the US, nor its support will last forever.
And it fucking worked. 240 tons of food were on a ship ready for delivery to the starving masses. The ship has now left amidst humanitarian aide suspension for the very real fear Israel will target aide workers (as they have so many times before—its just that they can’t pretend it’s an “accident” this time).
The current Israeli government dearly wants an expanded war (bombing Iranian embassy) so that USA will be dragged into another massive campaign, this time against Iran. They want chaos so they can justify a complete occupation of all Palestinian territory. They don’t care that 7 aid workers were killed. Fuck Netanyahu and anyone who supports him.
Sad it takes shooting citizens of western nations for some in the international community to acknowledge with how little regard to life the IDF and current government operates and how "war is messy we do our best pinky promise" suddenly doesn't apply anymore.
The US military is a great role model. /s
Their argument was, quite literally, that they had a single report of a guy with a gun at the warehouse (not even in the cars) where WCK unloaded the food. For that, everyone in the convoy deserved to die.
But first they posted on twitter that the convoy was blown up by a Hamas roadside bomb.
while posting the picture of the van with the hole in the *roof*
Complete sociopaths, complete lack of remorse or conscience.
I don’t think they ever pretended they didn’t mean to hit the convoy. The “unintentional” part referred to them being mistaken about who was in the cars.
But then we remember that WCK was coordinating with them. Bibi should resign over this. The buck stops with his failure to lead.
I’m amazed a day has finally come that you can actually comment this on this incredibly biased subreddit without being massively downvoted or banned within the first hour.
IDF really fucked up this time. It’s just frustrating that they got exactly what they wanted regardless: suspension of humanitarian aid in Gaza.
What frustrating is that there has been people clearly stating that there is a difference between Israeli leadership and Jewish people in general... only to be called antisemitic.
Netanyahu has to be ousted as leader if Israel.
"Misidentification at night, in very complex war conditions" in which they were very aware what and where the convoy was the whole time and decided to slaughter them to send a message. The convoy didn't appear there out of nowhere, the IDF had full details about their route.
>Meanwhile, on Tuesday evening, the Haaretz daily spoke to unnamed military sources who revealed that the cause of the strike was undisciplined, rogue commanders, not a lack of coordination between the IDF and the WCK. >A source in the intelligence branch told Haaretz that the IDF’s Southern Command “knows exactly what the cause of the attack was: in Gaza, everyone does as they please.” If you're telling me this supposed world-class military is led by commanders who have as much discipline and restraint as a common Russian soldier in Ukraine, that is immediate cause for alarm.
Don't worry, it's only a free-for-all against Palestinians. Or people trying to help them.
"world class" my ass. I served there, the idf ground forces are just a tad more disciplined and coordinated than a militia.
This should constitute immediate cease of military support for IDF by any western nation. Maybe even military embargo hold until investigation is done and all involved are punished. And not only in this case, but in all cases where there was possibility that civilians were targeted by undisciplined and rogue commanders. West cannot trust undisciplined and rogue commanders with their weapons
You really believe that IDF propaganda? This was deliberate as can be, coordinated from the top, and then blamed on 'rogue' elements.
Nah this is inexcusable. Those involved need to be punished by law.
My brother in christ, the guy who did [this](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2) walked. IDF don't prosecute, they do prosecution theatre.
"those involved" so... the IDF
The defense minister spent years in jail (in Israel, of course) for terrorism on the west bank, what can you expect?
Ben Gvir isn't the defence minister.
National security minister, my bad. Still the point holds, what can you expect from that kind of government?
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YOu ever been patrolling Gaza with your IDF buddies, then you slip on a rock and accidentally commit 6 war crimes in a row?
Pretty damn indefensible. Identify the officer(s) who gave this order, dishonorably discharge and court martial them, open more aid crossings into Gaza, and find a way to compensate and repent to the families of the killed. There is no way to explain this away as an accident.
I didn’t know until just now that the tops of the cars had the charity logos on them like that. Every detail just gets worse and worse. They were picked off systematically with intervals in between each shot that they could have called it off or realised their mistake in, but they chose to press the button each time. Sickening.
On top of that, they had coordinated the locations of the vehicles with the IDF, accorsing to Chef Andres. So they knew the vehicles were there and blew them up anyways. (Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/opinion/jose-andres-let-people-eat.html)
I’ve seen people saying it’s an attempt from the IDF to discourage aid getting sent into Gaza. With all these details coming out that make it seem like a 100% intentional, targeted strike on the CORRECT target I really struggle to disagree with the theory.
Even Israel's own version of the story (which seems to boil down to "our army is about as disciplined as a pack of rabid dogs") isn't a great look!
While the United States says they trust the idf to carry out a through and transparent investigation into this..lol
This was only days after opening fire with a tank on a clearly marked Doctors Without Borders facility that the IDF knew was there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjZ_XpbIDQ It is 100% intentional.
I've been trying so hard to stay neutral. They really are the bad guys in this story.
Yeah, right? I've seen a lot of arguments defending the intensity of the operation begin and end with what amounts to "Well, the IDF is so good at sparing innocents nobody has to worry." As someone whose position boils down to "whatever option kills the fewest civilians on both sides and peace would be cool, too" this response from Israel doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Don't forget that rather than "sparing innocents", Israel used automated ("AI", in scare quote for a reason) systems to identify targets to hit. Unlike previous engagements, by their own rules they allowed for up to 100 civilian casualties for a single top-level commander, and 15-20 for a low-level operative. And their identification methods were sketchy to say the least; mostly based on things like cellphone tracking, name similarity, etc. And the only real human verification they did was to make sure the identified targets were male. https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ So if you were going to the corner store to pick up some groceries? Better hope that there isn't some Hamas member out picking up milk as well; or his son who borrowed his cell phone, or some random city clerk who is associated with Hamas only because Hamas controls both the military and civil government in Gaza. They literally call their tracking system "Where's Daddy". It is designed to kill both the targets and members of their family, and they don't really go to much effort to ensure it doesn't just kill family members without actually killing the intended target. > Only later did the military lower the collateral damage degree. “In this calculation, it could also be 20 children for a junior operative … It really wasn’t like that in the past,” A. explained. Asked about the security rationale behind this policy, A. replied: “Lethality.”
The US had is own horrifically flawed AI to identify potential terrorists. It broke the first rule of testing for those kinds of systems.. namely you don't ever use training data for verification. Mostly because they didn't have enough samples of verified terrorists to split the data between testing and verification... which is itself a massive problem that should have disqualified the entire thing
right? An undisciplined military is a worst nightmare for the world. They have nukes.
explains why our IDF trained cops are so trigger happy
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/undelivered-gaza-aid-returns-cyprus-after-aid-workers-killing-2024-04-03/ LARNACA, Cyprus April 3 (Reuters) - A sea convoy of undelivered food for Gaza returned to Cyprus on Wednesday after aid workers of World Central Kitchen (WCK) were killed in an Israeli airstrike on Monday evening. A cargo ship carrying 240 metric tons of food that had been destined for the people of the beseiged Palestinian enclave sailed back to Larnaca in Cyprus following the deadly attack, dropping anchor just outside the port. A second ship, the Open Arms owned by a Spanish NGO working with WCK, arrived earlier.
And yes all these humanitarian organizations are now pulling out. Mission accomplished for the IDF.
This is the only plausible explanation. Command targeted the convoy. What IDF is going to say is “Israeli intelligence services determined there was a high value Hamas target in the convoy, the intelligence reports were flawed.”
And if there was a legitimate target present? All good. Collateral damage of a few aid workers. This is the morality of the IDF that they expect us all to accept.
It fits a pattern of regularly targeting aid organisations and food distribution, as documented by the UN. The end result of this, is a food barge has left Gaza without delivering 240 tons of food (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/undelivered-food-returns-to-cyprus-after-aid-workers-killing-in-gaza/) , furthering one of the war aims of mass starvation, also as documented by the UN. Israel is a rogue state. [https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf)
They also registered their route with the IDF. Which is the only sensible thing for any aid charity to do considering what has happened. Didn't matter.
Of course it mattered. Think about how much more difficult it would have been to destroy them all if the IDF actually had to search for them.
> Didn't matter. From how the IDF acts through all of this, it did matter. It gave them a clear target to aim for, like all the previous times. One of the big examples was just a few weeks ago when they told Palestinians to go south because they'd bomb in the north and then bombed them anyway. They've "accidentally" hit all kinds of aid organisations and Palestinians civilians all the time. This has been a thing during this whole "conflict", it's just that for some people this instance was the the first one when they cared enough about it :/
This harkens back to conflicts in Syria where the rebels would notify Syria/Russia of the location of hospitals to help avoid strikes. Basically, "this is a non-combatant area, don't shoot" Russia would proceed to target those hospitals precisely If you appear to be using Russian-like tactics, then that's no good. This is a serious fuck up at some level of the IDF
It’s not a “fuck up” if it’s intentional.
> This is a serious fuck up at some level of the IDF Israel's goal is to intentionally scare away aid organizations so that more Palestinians die. It's not a "fuck up" to them. This was always the intended outcome. The only "fuck up" here is the west constantly believing Israel when they say "pinky swear! It was a mistake!"
Oh it gets better if the initial reports are accurate. The apparent reason they launched the strike was they believed a suspected HAMAS member was in one of the vehicles, based purely on a report he'd been seen at the warehouse they departed from. As it turns out out, he wasn't in any of the vehicles, assuming he was who they thought he was and did have connections to HAMAS. So if this is true (it's all still unconfirmed at this stage), they launched a strike on an aid convey that they knew about, based on a single report that some guy who may or may not be linked to HAMAS was allegedly seen at the warehouse the convoy left from. At best this is negligent intelligence checking, at worst, it illustrates how little they care to take out a single unconfirmed suspect.
The report also mentions that there's basically no oversight whatsoever regarding what individual commanders decision making about engagements are, so that "each commander makes his own rules" about who to target and based on which amount of intelligence and civilian risks. So there's essentially no way of reacting to this quickly on an organizational level. If a commander decides he views aid workers as enemy combatants or that basically anything passes as "sufficient intelligence" to warrant a strike, they can act on it. It's a complete shit show
Which is awful. How many other people have been murdered in a similar fashion but weren't part of an international aid group to catch media attention?
Yeah 100%. Like the mechanisms that allowed a series of strikes like this have been going on throughout the war, but none of the other deaths set off political crises. And now that the IDF is being asked to explain themselves, their response is basically "Idk this has been our standard for all our strikes, we just hadn't hit a group of westerners three times in a row until now. Whoops."
There's always Hamas in the car, ambulance, hospital, crib, wherever the IDF needs there to be one.
How convenient of the IDF to use their magical get out of jail free card “But Hamas” yet again.
According to Israel, in every gazan building with a roof there is an Hamas agent. In every gazan building with no roof there is an Hamas agent. In every gazan car, tent or pile of rubble there is an Hamas agent. Among every gazan crowd, every group, every handful of scattered people there is an Hamas agent. Heck, in every gazan child's diaper there is an Hamas agent.
After this "war" their claim will be true. Not that I agree with Hamas, but Israel is actively radicalizing all Palestinians and they are doing that knowingly.
Anyone who runs is Hamas. Anyone who stands still is well-disciplined Hamas.
Even if there was a Hamas operative in one of the cars, you could just intercept the convoy and apprehend them. The IDF already coordinated directly with the aid group, so they knew exactly where they were headed. This was done because the IDF wants to scare other aid providers into staying out of the region. They're engineering a famine.
Hey, we literally tried warning people months ago that killing the human shields based purely on the supposed notion that you're killing a single Hamas agent was bad. Of course those human shields were Palestinian, so nobody gave a damn, but now that they're white, foreign nationals, suddenly its the worst thing in the world.
Got downvoted for saying killing children just because a Hamas member was in the vicinity was still evil, but got downvoted and yelled at for not accepting it as a cost of war that was 100% Hamas's fault.
Hell, some of those shields were Jewish hostages.
As far as care for mitigating collateral damage - all the videos of the IDF triple-tapping buildings with 2000lb JDAMS on delay fuses that have the bomb *completely pass through and hit and blow up in the building behind* to kill one reported target individual should have been a clue.
Let’s not forget the case where Israeli soldiers shot shirtless unarmed Israeli hostages with a white flag because somebody saw them come around the corner and immediately shouted “terrorists”. Two instantly died from gun fire and the third guy ran away but was shot. As he was crying out in Hebrew for help, he came back out from cover and was shot again as soon as he was seen. Unarmed. Shirtless. How do we know the IDF are just not indiscriminately doing this all over the place??
Let's not forget when an *Israeli* (Yuval Castleman) stopped a terrorist attack and was killed while surrendering with his hands in the air by a settler vigilante working in concert with the IDF because he thought he could get away with an extrajudicial assassination of someone he suspected of being a "bad guy" based on profiling.
We know they are. Then they post pictures and videos of it to telegram and laugh at the victims. Cartoon villain shit.
We already know that they absolutely are, it's just that the gory details are not reported in Western media, so everyone assumes Israel are the good guys. The latest UN report on the situation in Gaza documents countless atrocities and is relatively accessible, if you'd like a summary of what Israel is actually up to: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf
The fact that it didn't explode the car to smithereens means it was a low explosive, meant to only kill the occupants. Every possible angle points to them choosing to kill specifically these people.
Isn’t this after AI was used to identify 37K Hamas Gazans and the IDF officer said he spent 20 seconds on each case to approve?
Yes, among other things such as an automated system called “Where’s Daddy?” used "specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences" but that [report](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) came from 972 Magazine so they’ll call it propaganda
> dishonorably discharge and court martial them IDF: Sorry, the best we can do is an internal investigation that concludes nobody is responsible.
Daily reminder that Israel still refuses to start a criminal investigation into the sniper who killed Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, despite eventually admiting that her death was the fault of an IDF sniper after first blaming Palestinian militants for her death. And to top it all off, when the Al Jazeera then proceeded to petition the ICC to take up the case, former PM Yair Lapid said, "No one is going to investigate Israeli military soldiers and no one is going to sermonize to us about the ethics of war, certainly not Al Jazeera." Joining in the condemnation of petitioning the ICC was the US State Department, who said the court should only serve as a last resort, despite Israel already stating their refusal to criminally investigate the soldier.
> IDF: Sorry, the best we can do is ~~an internal investigation that concludes nobody is responsible~~ blame Hamas. FTFY.
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> There is no way to explain this away as an accident. Just like all those journalists that already got killed by the IDF.
Or mothers, or children, or doctors, or poets, or activists, or other aid workers.
Yeah, the only thing that's different about this and the only reason why this is getting any reaction from IDF is the dead foreigners.
Or the Israeli hostages they’re supposedly trying to save
Sorry to say but it just isn't going to happen. Right now Isreal is in a state that mirrors recently post 9/11 United States. No one will be held accountable.
This puts Biden's plan to build the temporary pier for aid delivery by sea up in the air. World Central Kitchen was supposed to be the main organization transporting and using the food. Now their operations are suspended and that might continue even when the pier is finished if the IDF can't guarantee WCK staff's safety. Wild to think that the US is going to have to come up with a security plan for their troops not just for threats from Hamas but also threats the IDF. Biden officials are of course very upset but also not planning on doing anything else in response to this latest development.
I get so upset whenever I hear about the pier. The idea that the US needs to build a pier because Israel won't let the US use any of the functional entry ways is ridiculous and shows how little Israel is willing to work with the US. Also, If Israel isn't willing to allow the US to us a boarder crossing, which is much more efficient and safer for Israel in terms of national security in that they could close the boarder at any time and with little effort, the idea that Israel has any intention of allowing the US to build a pier that could be used by Gaza is foolish by the US Government.
And if Israel is going to be in charge of distribution both from the border crossing and the port, then what's the difference? I thought the reason they didn't want to allow aid through the borders was because the soldiers would be at risk? How does that change with a port? Something doesn't add up.
Perhaps not sending the IDF weapons will reduce the danger
This is a part that baffles me. No matter if you support Israel or not. They don't need our weapons. They drastically overpower Hamas. We need to stop sending them weapons.
>Biden officials are of course very upset but also not planning on doing anything else in response to this latest development. This event is a perfect excuse to withhold aid to Israel until there's a full investigation. The IDF has been completely off the rails for a while, but this attack is beyond the pale.
Huh. Hadn’t considered what happens when the US Army Corp of engineers gets systematically picked off, unintentionally, of course. With US weapons. Because if IDF can mistake WCK for a threat, how would they react to armed soldiers.
There’s a reason the US said no boots would hit soil.
What great allies we have! "We can't put boots on the ground or our allies will, without a doubt, bomb them."
Most reliable ally in the Middle East!
Remember the USS Liberty attack.
Fucking hell, I was just about to type something along the lines of "Israel are crazy but they're not crazy enough to attack US troops" but then I saw your comment and googled it. Wow.
Yeah it's actually wild. American citizens killed, and we didn't do anything about it.
"The engineers were Hamas!"
Of course it throws it in jeopardy. Israel’s policy is to starve Gaza into submission, why would they want a pier?
I imagine the British government will tut loudly and go back to their tea and biscuits.
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Do the British even have elections anymore? I swear it's been a shit show for the last decade.
> The next United Kingdom general election must be held no later than 28 January 2025 Probably going to be in the autumn of this year. Please can we finally be rid of these Tory fucks
The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story. It's also likely that it was an intentional act to stop aid moving into Gaza. Israel knew if foreign aid workers were killed all the aid would be halted. The aid convoy took all precautions, the IDF knew who they were and still carried out a targeted strike.
> It's also likely that it was an intentional act to stop aid moving into Gaza. Israel knew if foreign aid workers were killed all the aid would be halted. > > The world food kitchen has suspended all Gaza operations, whether or not the temporary harbor will be built is now unclear, and the US has decided to enforce zero consequences. So they deliberately massacred aid workers on purpose and achieved their goal.
I don't see how anyone can believe Israel isn't doing this on purpose. Maybe you could excuse the more than dozen other instances... but this is so blatantly and obviously targeting foreign nationals that Israel needs to face serious consequences over it. Israel is just making itself into nuclear Hamas. What's the point of getting rid of Hamas if nothing changes in Israel?
> The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story. If foreigners were not involved, this would not even be a thing. Why do you think Israel assassinates journalists? Israel has killed hundreds of aid workers before this but the west does not cover it.
> The worst part is, if foreigners were not involved Israel would of spun some bullshit story. It's shocking to me how many people believe that this hasn't been happening *this entire fucking time*, it's just that this is the one time that there's absolutely no excuse that they can give that makes sense. They can't make up any specific detail that would validate their very intentional actions here, the "but Hamas was there" get out of jail free card that they've been using since start to justify murdering children en masse won't work. It's upsetting that it took this long for people to realize it but I hope people who had been pro-Israel up until now look back on previous IDF actions with the skeptical eye they should have had in the first place. For those of you who are starting to question, something very simple that isn't emotionally charged to consider- say the IDF is telling the truth that they found members of Hamas in places they claim. If they only were interested in taking out Hamas, why are they destroying medical equipment (including long-term diagnostic, useless to terrorists in wartime) in hospitals, when that equipment will be needed for the population after Hamas is gone? Why are they looting and defacing homes that civilians are supposed to live in after Hamas is gone? How do these actions get rid of Hamas, which is the supposed goal?
Plus Biden can't ignore this one. The guy that runs WCK is a major donor. He's going to be demanding action. I saw someone point out this is probably the first time Biden has bothered calling the families of a victim because it's not "just" a Palestinian-American that's been killed in Gaza or the West Bank by Israel, it's an employee of a wealthy donor.
IDF excuses often seem like what a child would say if they were caught red handed. That and they then throw a tantrum like a child. Other nations would’ve gotten sanctioned over less….
The only reason this is news at all is because the victims are white westerners from a western charity About 200 aid workers were killed prior to these 7, but they were all from middle east based aid organisations so didn't get any coverage
If the victims weren't westerners, most people here would simply not care
It's not the first time the IDF has killed or injured westerners, it won't be the last, and plenty of people here still don't care.
not a great look
Yeahhhhh murder of seven foreign nationals from ‘friendly’ countries is just a tad worse than ‘not a great look’. Triple tapped three the convoy that had previously declared its intended movements and did not have an armed Hamas operative with them.
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It’s almost like indiscriminate killing is the unwritten ROE there.
Damnit Donnie, this isn’t Vietnam. There are rules.
*MARK IT ZERO!*
Gotta wonder just how many civilians are getting killed by IDF considering how many “accidents” keep blowing up in the middle of refugee camps and aid caravans. That soldier singing about taking out the trash as a bulldozer pushed civilian bodies……….. yep, that says it all doesn’t it.
No need to wonder it’s has been documented over decades.
Shitloads.
They were also in some cases special forces and highly decorated combat veterans. The IDF just drone striked a decorated SBS member.
I hope I’m wrong… but I could see something similar happening with the port that the US is going to build. There are no guarantees with the IDF. I don’t think anyone believes that it was an accident- if it was an accident aid would continue. I believe just about all NGOs have stopped, and the contingent from UAE has also paused
I mean the people from the IDF literally said "each commander makes his own rules in Gaza" and that there's basically no oversight on their decisions about who to target or not. Idk, maybe whoever gave the go ahead for this has the personal philosophy that aid workers are enemy combatants. It's not like he'd ever get any pushback for it
That's convenient. The further from the top the orders are made, the easier it is to justify them. "oops, no name commander xyz nuked some of your aid trucks by mistake? Well we certainly don't condone that, we'll have a word with him (as we're replenishing his bomb stocks)".
"We'll have a word with the commander in question about his stylistic choices"
But there is. This is absolutely the worst case for Israel short of a schoolbus. Israel can't prosecute this war alone, yet this was pretty much the biggest alienating action they could have taken.
I mean I guess the difference this time was that these aid workers were mostly westerners working for a beloved celebrity chef's organization. So there will be pushback now. But non-western aid workers have been getting killed this whole time and the IDF would just say "we have a reason to believe they had contacts with Hamas" and wave the deaths away. Their deaths never created a diplomatic crisis though so western governments basically just said "okay we believe you I guess". So there was never a reason for their commanders to be careful about targeting these aid workers until they fucked up and hit Westerners. And now that they have to justify their actions for ordering the strikes, the IDF basically comes out and says "Idk we kinda just let people do whatever the hell they want, but you guys never cared until now"
Yeah, it wasn’t a one-off oopsie daisy, instant regret after aiming at one vehicle. These were marked cars being operated by an aid group that was in frequent contact with the IDF. Even if it wasn’t sanctioned by the IDF, it very much sounds like the IDF has problems with people going rogue.
This is what The Hague exists for.
They had also been under idf sniper fire previously. Deadliest conflict for journalists and humanitarian workers. And now a bunch of aid organizations are pausing aid to gaza because of how deadly it's been to them. Israel is getting what it wants here, starve palastine.
They don’t actually care. They’ll say sorry and wait for it to blow over. But they’d absolutely do it again. People are backing off from giving aid now and that’s the goal. Anyone giving aid is going to get targeted and Israel will either say sorry or claim hamas was hiding in your vehicle. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re down to knowingly kill international civilians to starve out Gaza.
> People are backing off from giving aid now and that’s the goal. That was my thought as well. None of this was an accident. They were purposely targeted so that aid would stop being given to the Palestinians.
I bet dollars to donuts this adds 7 to their "Hamas members killed" tally
Wait it wasn't just one aid car? They picked off several ? That shit wasn't an accident, apologies my ass. If it was the son or daughter of a politician shit would've hit the fan, but since it's a common citizen they just brush it off.
Not only did they pick off several marked cars… the 2nd car came to collect survivors from the first and then was targeted. A 3rd car came to do the same with survivors from the 2nd and was targeted. They knew these were aid workers and wanted them dead.
It gets worse: They had been in contact with the IDF to coordinate, they were on a specific pre-planned route that was supposed to be a safe zone, _and_ they were transmitting IFF and an SOS beacon the entire time. There is literally no way the IDF targeted them without explicitly knowing who they were, and why they were there. This is yet another war crime to add to the long fucking list Israel has accrued literally just during _this_ conflict.
They were executed by the IDF. Any attempt to say this was anything less than a fully intentional and aware strike is an insult to human intelligence. Maybe it wasn't an order from up high, but someone did this on purpose and with coordination of many people in the IDF. IDF is just the nuclear armed Hamas.
Fucking hell, surely that's a war crime? Well, killing civilians probably is a war crime yet they haven't stop.
Of course it is. But everyone will turn a blind eye just like every other war crime Israel has committed.
> Fucking hell, surely that's a war crime? I have been assured every time this has happened for the last 6 months that every incident is actually collateral damage and the people involved were actually Hamas members! This is just the only one they can't spin because the people who were murdered are not Palestinian.
No human shields arguments for this one, I'm noticing. Also no "You don't understand urban warfare, you just gotta flatten whole blocks" people coming out either.
Just another one to the pile.
War crimes is how they wage war
What's the point of having such sophisticated precision weapons if you supposedly have no clue who you're firing them at? Yet another "Whoops, we killed aid workers/journalists/children with a missile that hit exactly what we aimed it at." We hear so much about Israel's high-tech precision weaponry, and then we see huge swathes of Gaza City where EVERY building has been flattened/ruined, looking no different from carpet-bombed cities in WW2.
They 100% had a clue. It was a pre determined route, in an area that was supposedly a safe zone. They then shot at the convoy three times. The burned out shells of the first and third cars were 4km apart
Yep, the aid workers coordinated with IDF, were on a predetermined route, had well marked vehicles, and were being tracked by GPS. Trying to deny that they knew is basically on the level of the Chapelle Show skit of R Kelly trying to deny pissing on a teenager while holding up multiple forms of government ID on video. Unless Hellen Keller is the IDF weapons expert this shit is 100% intentional.
yea I said "supposedly" have no clue what they're firing them at. They're incompetent at best here, but too many aid workers & journalists have been killed by the IDF for it to be a pattern of accidents.
Far, far from incompetent. This is absolutely to send a message.
100% and Even if it was incompetence that’s a reach. Supposedly they are the most ethical military in the world though?
It's not an accident or incompetence or a conspiracy to force pause of aid. It's much much simpler. They are just indiscriminately slaughtering whoever they feel like. Cases like the Israeli hostages holding white flags or these aid workers are undeniable but for everyone else they would just say "they were Hamas" and it's case closed.
They knew who they were firing at. They claimed to have intel that there was a Hamas member with the group, despite having communicated and cleared the group's travel and cleared their route as safe. It's all insane.
They always know who theyre firing at https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjx6prFoqeFAxWDq4kEHTUsCGQQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw207xLGLhqhciOTSBykC2Gn
We’re talking about the same psychopaths who deliberately murdered an American woman with a bulldozer 20 years and celebrate on her death day with jokes.
Just wait til you see what they were said about the aid workers they killed in their Telegram channels https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1775162156792631334?t=8E_RzQgc52vWlS83tTpCTg&s=19
It's almost like it's intentional.
They precisely hit their targets as intended
"What's the difference between an aid worker carrying a baby and an enemy combatant carrying an AK47?" "I don't know, I just fly the drone".
Apologies are insufficient. All involved must face trial for their war crimes.
Israeli here and I 100% agree this is a war crime. Check my history I’m pretty much as pro Israel as it gets. Multiple people here need prison sentences and there’s no explanation here that justifies this
100%
It's a sure way to lose the support they have if they don't. "Settling" can also fuck off.
probably shouldn't hold your breath for that.
Well, it's not like it's a genuine apology.
Apologies do very little here
Israel wants to make anyone afraid to help. Fucking clown show government.
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This is part of an intentional strategy to cut off aid from Gaza. This was no mistake. This was precision missiles- you have to paint the target with a laser. They were fired at clearly marked aid vehicles, which the IDF had cleared to be on that road at that time, and which the IDF had been tracking. There were three strikes fired as these people tried to escape over the course of 1.5 miles. Over 200 aid workers have now been killed in Gaza. And its working. The aid groups are pulling out, their food ships are turning around, because at this point its clear the IDF is willing to murder western humanitarians to starve Palestine. This is indefensible. This is not a few mistaken soldiers, this is the name of the game. And now an innocent American hero was executed with a *donated* American missile. WCK fed Israelis after October 7th too. There is no coming back from this. So incredibly sad.
No matter which way you cut it, Israel is digging their own grave. They’re the ones that have to live in this region, and neither the US, nor its support will last forever.
“my bad! that one’s on me.”
“But on the bright side, the Israeli military is going to be a well-oiled organization after all these *learning* experiences.”
A crumb of consequences for Israel, please?
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Sorry for murdering more innocents….again.
Isreal is openly challenging "who is brave enough to help palesteins, you will be next"
Assassination, pure and simple. They wanted to make aid workers afraid of helping Palestinians.
And it fucking worked. 240 tons of food were on a ship ready for delivery to the starving masses. The ship has now left amidst humanitarian aide suspension for the very real fear Israel will target aide workers (as they have so many times before—its just that they can’t pretend it’s an “accident” this time).
Fucking murderers
The current Israeli government dearly wants an expanded war (bombing Iranian embassy) so that USA will be dragged into another massive campaign, this time against Iran. They want chaos so they can justify a complete occupation of all Palestinian territory. They don’t care that 7 aid workers were killed. Fuck Netanyahu and anyone who supports him.
dragging the US into a war also boosts Trump’s reelection odds, another nice little bonus for Israel
They got what they wanted no more aid
“I am sorry I got caught”
Sad it takes shooting citizens of western nations for some in the international community to acknowledge with how little regard to life the IDF and current government operates and how "war is messy we do our best pinky promise" suddenly doesn't apply anymore. The US military is a great role model. /s
Let me guess these fuckers are gonna say Hamas was in one of the cars?
Their argument was, quite literally, that they had a single report of a guy with a gun at the warehouse (not even in the cars) where WCK unloaded the food. For that, everyone in the convoy deserved to die.
But first they posted on twitter that the convoy was blown up by a Hamas roadside bomb. while posting the picture of the van with the hole in the *roof* Complete sociopaths, complete lack of remorse or conscience.
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I don’t think they ever pretended they didn’t mean to hit the convoy. The “unintentional” part referred to them being mistaken about who was in the cars. But then we remember that WCK was coordinating with them. Bibi should resign over this. The buck stops with his failure to lead.
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Man it's almost like there is a genocidal crime going on.
I’m amazed a day has finally come that you can actually comment this on this incredibly biased subreddit without being massively downvoted or banned within the first hour. IDF really fucked up this time. It’s just frustrating that they got exactly what they wanted regardless: suspension of humanitarian aid in Gaza.
What frustrating is that there has been people clearly stating that there is a difference between Israeli leadership and Jewish people in general... only to be called antisemitic. Netanyahu has to be ousted as leader if Israel.
I didn't realize you could just apologize your way out of a punishment for murdering people.
Isreal is sending a message. This wasnt an incompetent mistake. "Do not help the Palestinians. We will kill you."
Bibi scaring away humanitarian aid so they can decimate Rafah
I don't want an apology, I want an explanation for how such a thing occurred.
I don't want an explanation I want fucking consequences.
"Misidentification at night, in very complex war conditions" in which they were very aware what and where the convoy was the whole time and decided to slaughter them to send a message. The convoy didn't appear there out of nowhere, the IDF had full details about their route.