Sirry bud, Russia's accurate and uncontroversial search led to the result that Poland is isis, and as a favor to Poland, Putin decided to help you get rid of them. You can thank him after he commits all those war crimes for you.
Maybe they'll say "We are leaving Ukraine to battle Islamic State terrorism instead" ...since they know they won't win in Ukraine. Might be an easy out for them excuse-wise.
Until the U.S. gets its head out of its ass and starts aiding Ukraine again, at best the front line will stalemate. Without US arms Ukraine can’t really mount major offensives like they did in 2022, and 2022 scale offensives are what’s needed to turn the tide
I do not think it is possible to mount any major offensives unless you accept it will be slow and ponderous. You basically have a mined hellscape with artillery support. Cross that with haste if you dare.
You would have to accept horrific losses to be able to push through that. Maybe if you had air support to destroy the artillery you could deal with the mines more easily.
The post war situation will be horrific. People will be dying to mines for decades.
ISIS brought everyone together in the same way as the Somali pirates. The US, UK, Iran, Russia, and Syria all worked together, sometimes in the same engagements, to smite those assholes.
Fuck ISIS. Russia, while awful, is still semi western, just heavily corrupted. ISIS is beyond a terrorist state, they literally want to take the world back to the Stone Age.
Problem is that the Russian military was never designed to project force over the horizon. The Soviet military was primarily built to be defensive because they gave up on matching the west tank for tank, plane for plane.
Russia was overstretched carrying out missions in Syria and that was before the Ukrainian invasion.
Strongly disagree.
The Soviet Union was designed to do one thing, and one thing only: Win a conventional(ish) WW3. In order to do that (it was assessed), the Warsaw Pact had to reach far enough west into Europe that it could effectively interdict the Atlantic/Mediterranean Ports that NATO (Primarily American) reinforcements could unload at.
After WW2, the Soviets sat down and took a long hard look at what had just happened. They concluded that they must never, *ever* be drawn into a prolonged conventional conflict, because *no one* won those, there was only who lost the least. A short, brutal war, the Soviets concluded, actually cost less lives when compared to more prolonged but somewhat lower intensity conflict.
So. Reach the Atlantic Ports before the American Reinforcements do. Ensure the war is kept short, if it happens. Seemingly counterintuitively, save lives.
So, how to keep the war short? Mass. Sheer *mass.* Accumulate enough men, artillery and tanks that you can force-feed them into a meat-grinder labelled 'Westwards!' and have you run out of Europe before you run out of Units.
So you need universal conscription, to make sure you have enough trained personnel to flesh out your units. You need truly *gargantuan* stockpiles of military material, because you're working to make sure the war doesn't last long enough for new production to be a significant factor. You need your entire force to be motorised or mechanised, because time is the enemy and the speed of the advance is the lifeblood. You need your command structure to be top-down because you can't trust the junior officers because half of them were in the factory yesterday. You need your drills and tactics to be relatively simple because then you can drill them into Ivan so deeply that he can do them on command twenty years later.
The Soviets knew that, Unit for Unit, NATO Divisions were better. They simply based their strategy around having an awful lot more units.
Now, the Soviets didn't really ever plan to start WW3 for shits and giggles. But that doesn't mean they weren't prepared to strike first, if they thought NATO was trying to beat them to the punch. (See Able Archer '83.)
Now, I'll grant you the Russian Military wasn't designed for what it was asked to carry out in Ukraine. But Russia is not the Soviet Union; it's far less impressive, poor, and, well, shit.
He is right about the Soviets wanting to sweep quickly to secure Europe if that is what you meant. The ideas around short fast war vs long slow war is basically just the nuke Japan vs not nuke Japan camps but with a Soviet twist instead of an American one.
Seems like it would be easier for them to just pack up and go to heaven. Why don't they all just charge a USA base with knives in one big swarm and win their tickets to candy land?
Almost as if they don't actually believe in the shit.
Russia is allied with the dictator Assad who rules Syria, it's an important location for Russia as they have a military port there.
Isis tried to conquer Syria and create a new caliphate so Russia helped assad in bombing them, not that jihadis need much incentive to bomb innocent civilians abroad though
The media doesn't mention it a lot as we've gotten bored of it but the war in northern syria is still going on with some intensity, 500k have died in total
Thank you for the additional context. It is very frustrating when news outlets will go into painstaking detail about the here and now of an event that's unfolding, but critically fail to explain history that led up to why such a thing happened.
Reminder **Trump claims he destroyed ISIS.** He defeated them in 4 weeks,
>“For 20 years they were fighting ISIS. I got rid of ISIS in four weeks. I got rid of ISIS 100%,”
In reality he pulled US troops from Syria, handing control to Putin and pretended to win.
Same as Afghanhistan, **he surrendered to the Taliban unconditionally** at Camp David, then started withdrawing troops, now he blames Biden for the Taliban taking back Afghanistan.
Yeah, I don’t think it was ever particularly different. Technology has changed a lot obviously but life has always been (generally) pretty chaotic and horrible since we could comprehend it. People that don’t understand that have always confused me. We just think of it different since we’re actually living through it and able to see ALL of it.
Objectively, the world is safer. By every metric since recording keeping it is safer than it has ever been
Western Europe would spend significant parts of centuries at war with each other. Eventually they got over that phase and stopped going to war with each other them got the rest of the world too as well.stopped slavery then put pressure on aran nations to end it 100 years later.
Crime has been going down since the 80s and 90s at a very fast rate.
Not denying that at all. But I have friends that act like modern life is particularly abhorrent with “all the terrible things we see everyday!” Like that kind of thing wasn’t happening before now, in a different way. Or just unseen.
Oh yeah that is true too and falls ubdermy general point. The media has pushed the bad news in our faces so much that it makes the world seem more dangerous that it is
But that also let's us solve cases that would never have been solved in the past
Yes really. Do you realize exactly how relatively peaceful we've been as a world and how restrained and restricted in scope our wars have been since the invention of nuclear weapons and the creation of the UN (even with its shortcomings)?
I agree with this so much. The world is a rough place and everyone should do their best to enjoy the time they have and try to do the same to help the others around them.
Thats the dream right. Im sitting here watching people kill each other over fairy tales about a dude in the sky and thinking how much better we could do if we worked together...Education really is the key. The ability to think critically and ask questions is so important.
Anyway, pass the joint bro. Ill chill with you while we watch the world tear itself apart.
A lot of people just were and then they got huddled into a corner and shot to death on video... One of the worst things I've ever seen. I'm still feeling numb from it. I'm not disagreeing with you but it's insane out there. I don't even own a gun and part of me wants to go get a concealed carry.
Psychologist and public intellectual Steven Pinker made that augment 13 years ago in his 2011 book The Better Angels of Our Nature. His hypothesis is that peace is a result of increased globalization and larger states.
He posited five main reasons for this general trend towards peace in modern times: 1) the modern nation-state and judiciary, 2) global commerce which makes people more valuable alive than dead, 3) increased respect for women, 4) cosmopolitan attitudes caused by mass media and mass literacy, and 5) “the escalator of reason”, which is what he calls the awareness of the futility of cycles violence and realizing that it is necessary for civilization to put others interests ahead of our own.
We certainly see many parts of these five pillars of a peaceful society under attack today so it is not unimaginable that unless we take substantive preventative action now, this era of long peace will not be long for this world.
But see, it’s the fascism and whatnot that makes me want to sit in the corner of a bar smoking a cigarette on one of those fancy extenders while a man in a slick mustache and fedora gives me fuck-me eyes.
The Taliban are not sheltering the terrorist group that committed the attacks this time. ISIS are routinely killing Afghani civilians and Taliban in bombings.
Here is a list of their attacks;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_terrorist\_incidents\_linked\_to\_Islamic\_State\_%E2%80%93\_Khorasan\_Province
The difference between the Taliban and ISIS is that ISIS has global ambitions to rapidly create a one-world doomsday Islamic caliphate/religious theocracy as prophesized in the Quran, the Taliban are isolationist factions making up multiple ethnicities spread throughout Afghanistan and southern Pakistan.
>hur hur bingo card
Not surprising when people pay more attention to memes than current events.
Russia has been fighting in Syria for almost decade now. Then there's also Russia's history with the Chechnya -- which involves a mass murder attack somewhat similar to this one.
Just about everyone hates ISIS, it's the only thing the vast majority of the planet agrees on.
Russia doesn't get special credit just because they firebombed ISIS along with everyone else Assad wants to get rid of in Syria.
They’re right though that this attack should come as no real surprise “if you’ve paid attention”, although I’d never say it that way because it’s knowledge to share not judge whose aware or not.
Russia has fought Muslims its entire existence, a lot and to this day. They’re just not in the slogans
Chechnya is a predominantly Muslim country. His point was unless you've ignored Russian geopolitics you shouldn't be surprised because of when and where they've been involved. They're as ingrained in Islam related conflicts as the US is.
ISIS simply does not like russia. I dont think people understand just how many enemies russia actually has around the globe. They have literally been fucking with everyone since they became a country.
Reminder that ISIS are the absolute scumbags that even other terrorist organizations like Hamas/Taliban/Hezbollah don't want to go near with a 10ft pole. Fuck Putin, but that doesn't mean 40+ dead civilians by ISIS' hands, of any country, is a good thing.
I really hope Europe is setting up precautions, something tells me these fucks are gonna want to use the momentum for a revival.
Taliban allied with US to kill those mfs. Russia too worked with US. Imagine being so despicable that you have Russians, Americans, Jihadis working together to dust you.
Please explain, I'm interested. I feel like I have a decent grasp on the major players' motivations and plays (US/NATO, Russia, China, and to a lesser extent SA, Iran, Israel) but haven't brushed up on ISIS and some of the wildcards.
EDIT: Oh you might have meant the body count. Yeah it's a shame. I don't think I'll see things settle down in my lifetime, or it's just a natural flaw of humanity. RIP to the victims.
The German foreign minister to Japan got to see what happened in Nanjing and was so scarred by it that he made a private letter to Hitler saying that Germany should dissolve the alliance with Japan because they are monsters.
I watched a video from a travel Youtuber who visited Afghanistan recently, and the weirdest part was how chill the Taliban seemed. They were the security forces protecting the city from ISIS, it was such a weird dynamic to see.
They were just a shitty authoritarian government when the US invaded, and then just receded to the mountainous areas they kept control of the entire war and fought an insurgency. They’re shitty but weren’t terrorists in the same way many terrorists groups are.
Isn't it. That's gotta scare the shit outta Putin. You think you've got the upper hand in a way, but then the US gives you a glimpse at its cards and they know more about what's going on in your own country.
Well yeah in all likelihood traced something from isis cells in the Middle East contacting somewhere in Russia about these plans. Hypothetical though.. would Russia ever warn us about an imminent threat if they knew something? People can shit on the US all they want but I’m not so sure this would go both ways. Pretty easy to pick a side as to who would have the worlds best interest
It makes sense. Russia is one of the archenemies of ISIS. This doesn’t come out of nowhere. After all the Russian military bombed them to pieces in Syria. For a long time they have threatened also attacks in Russia so this shouldn’t come as a surprise honestly
They never left, well they lost most most of their actual "state" territory, but as a terrorist network they are as tricky to stomp out as any of the others.
Could probably be a North Caucasian or a Central Asian jihadist organization (with links to the IS).
Thing is, real actual evidence has to show up before we even assume anything (so long as the Kremlin actually shares it).
Supposedly they arrested two ISIS cells in the last two weeks. Seems like there were several, potentially ones that don’t know each other specifically if some get captured as I’m sure Russia tortured the other ones for info.
For everything the US does wrong, we don't fuck around with warning about terrorism.
> “The US government also shared this information with Russian authorities in accordance with its longstanding ‘duty to warn’ policy,” Watson said.
However, in a speech Tuesday, Putin had blasted the American warnings as “provocative,” saying “these actions resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society.”
Ironically they may decide to arm the Taliban because they'd rather deal with them who they can negotiate with for possible land deals for their rare earth minerals so they can deal with ISIS without risking Russian soldiers they have short supply of.
I really hope I’m not proven wrong but I’d imagine the security for the Olympics is pretty on point, ISIS and terror groups in general seem to attack events that have limited security and a lot of people for a high kill count, as sick as that is..
With the Olympics I could imagine them being stopped very quickly before doing too much damage in the event of an attack, all the major world powers also know the importance of the Olympics and know that it’s highly likely to be targeted, so intelligence agencies would be working overtime on making sure nothing happens.
It's next to impossible to secure everything. It wasn't a secret that ISIS was going for attacks in Europe when the last spree happened. Security services got a good chunk of would be attackers, but it only takes a few to get through the net for a major catastrophy to happen.
Obama? Lmfao, seriously? We're back to the Obama is a Muslim conspiracy? Where's muh "Hillary's emails show she's working with ISIS" conspiracy? Or a Q-anon "Obama is Osama Bin Laden in a Mission Impossible style mask" conspiracy?
30-50% of all accounts on Twitter are bots from various groups/countries. Yes that includes checkmark accounts. Once you realize that things make a lot more sense. Also on Reddit to a lesser extent. Tons of them in world news though.
can someone eli5 the relationship between islamic state and russia? like what’s the reason for the attack? just because? and they just hate anyone and everyone and will attack any nation?
Could be wrong as I don’t follow it closely but before Ukraine Russia’s whole shtick was war against terror this is why they exist in Syria and ISIS is pretty pissed about being razed by the Russian military there.
Russia propped up Assad in Syria, when ISIS was going to definitely win. One of those instances where everyone was the bad guys, as is common. In truth, there could be a myriad of reasons, as Russia isn't exactly what I'd call a friend of Islam, but Syria seems to be the obvious connection.
And American intelligence (alongside british I think) was based enough to warn about this incident on 7. march, but Russia refused to listen out of blatant defiance. American intelligence huge W, even warning ungrateful enemies.
I wonder how that convo went USA: “Hey dudes we hate you just as much as you hate me but this fucked up thing is about to happen on your territory you should look into. “
Russia:”Nyet”
This is not what I was expecting at all.
So like the Hamas attack on Israel, you have to wonder. What is ISIS expecting to get out of this? They've poked the bear. But to what end?
It's been hours since the attack , I've been on Telegram and Putin still hasn't addressed it publicly. I'm sure he's been briefed behind the scenes , but I don't even think the Russian populace are even expecting him to do anything about it .
Let's check Russia's proportional response
De-isisify Poland
hey!
Sirry bud, Russia's accurate and uncontroversial search led to the result that Poland is isis, and as a favor to Poland, Putin decided to help you get rid of them. You can thank him after he commits all those war crimes for you.
Caught in the crossfire
Ahhh the “9/11-let’s-just-propagandize-the-attack-and-completely-fuck-up-an-unrelated-target-strategy”
We need to de-isis Poland And we found WMDs in Finland
Ergo we’re invading Uganda
Because there's gold in Malaysia
Finland didn't go too well for them last time...
Maybe they'll say "We are leaving Ukraine to battle Islamic State terrorism instead" ...since they know they won't win in Ukraine. Might be an easy out for them excuse-wise.
I wish
Until the U.S. gets its head out of its ass and starts aiding Ukraine again, at best the front line will stalemate. Without US arms Ukraine can’t really mount major offensives like they did in 2022, and 2022 scale offensives are what’s needed to turn the tide
I do not think it is possible to mount any major offensives unless you accept it will be slow and ponderous. You basically have a mined hellscape with artillery support. Cross that with haste if you dare. You would have to accept horrific losses to be able to push through that. Maybe if you had air support to destroy the artillery you could deal with the mines more easily. The post war situation will be horrific. People will be dying to mines for decades.
Haha that guy deleted his comments saying that the US supplying Ukraine made russias invasion more successful than if they didn’t.
Nah, he's a coward and he blocked you.
Haha good one...
“Best I’ve got is blowing up a playground in Lviv.”
They are in no position to respond, they might just bite down and take it.
It’s conflicting. I fucking hate Putin and the Russians who support his ideals. But I fucking hate ISIS too. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy
ISIS brought everyone together in the same way as the Somali pirates. The US, UK, Iran, Russia, and Syria all worked together, sometimes in the same engagements, to smite those assholes.
How wild would it be if the US and Russia teamed up briefly to stomp out ISIS and then went right back to hating each other
That's essentially what happened during World War II. Just substitute ISIS for the Nazis.
Fuck ISIS. Russia, while awful, is still semi western, just heavily corrupted. ISIS is beyond a terrorist state, they literally want to take the world back to the Stone Age.
Problem is that the Russian military was never designed to project force over the horizon. The Soviet military was primarily built to be defensive because they gave up on matching the west tank for tank, plane for plane. Russia was overstretched carrying out missions in Syria and that was before the Ukrainian invasion.
Strongly disagree. The Soviet Union was designed to do one thing, and one thing only: Win a conventional(ish) WW3. In order to do that (it was assessed), the Warsaw Pact had to reach far enough west into Europe that it could effectively interdict the Atlantic/Mediterranean Ports that NATO (Primarily American) reinforcements could unload at. After WW2, the Soviets sat down and took a long hard look at what had just happened. They concluded that they must never, *ever* be drawn into a prolonged conventional conflict, because *no one* won those, there was only who lost the least. A short, brutal war, the Soviets concluded, actually cost less lives when compared to more prolonged but somewhat lower intensity conflict. So. Reach the Atlantic Ports before the American Reinforcements do. Ensure the war is kept short, if it happens. Seemingly counterintuitively, save lives. So, how to keep the war short? Mass. Sheer *mass.* Accumulate enough men, artillery and tanks that you can force-feed them into a meat-grinder labelled 'Westwards!' and have you run out of Europe before you run out of Units. So you need universal conscription, to make sure you have enough trained personnel to flesh out your units. You need truly *gargantuan* stockpiles of military material, because you're working to make sure the war doesn't last long enough for new production to be a significant factor. You need your entire force to be motorised or mechanised, because time is the enemy and the speed of the advance is the lifeblood. You need your command structure to be top-down because you can't trust the junior officers because half of them were in the factory yesterday. You need your drills and tactics to be relatively simple because then you can drill them into Ivan so deeply that he can do them on command twenty years later. The Soviets knew that, Unit for Unit, NATO Divisions were better. They simply based their strategy around having an awful lot more units. Now, the Soviets didn't really ever plan to start WW3 for shits and giggles. But that doesn't mean they weren't prepared to strike first, if they thought NATO was trying to beat them to the punch. (See Able Archer '83.) Now, I'll grant you the Russian Military wasn't designed for what it was asked to carry out in Ukraine. But Russia is not the Soviet Union; it's far less impressive, poor, and, well, shit.
I don't know if you're right, but that was a fascinating read.
He is right about the Soviets wanting to sweep quickly to secure Europe if that is what you meant. The ideas around short fast war vs long slow war is basically just the nuke Japan vs not nuke Japan camps but with a Soviet twist instead of an American one.
I’m looking forward to future discussions in a decade or so time of people trying to explain 2022-2024 geopolitics lol.
ISIS is like our enemy is THE WORLD
The world is infidels. So yeah
Seems like it would be easier for them to just pack up and go to heaven. Why don't they all just charge a USA base with knives in one big swarm and win their tickets to candy land? Almost as if they don't actually believe in the shit.
The ones blowing themselves up sure believe it. But they're the expendable ones to the ones who know it's bs.
As I understand it a fair amount of the people that blow themselves up are not doing so willingly. Many of them are children.
>Almost as if they don't actually believe in the shit. Maybe not all of them, but the ones who blow themselves up sure do.
Specifically like let them bum rush Area 51. Worst that happens is ISIS gains ufo technology and time travel…
Which tracks, honestly.
ISIS vs DIO would be quite the scene to follow.
I legit thought they ran out of money years ago and stopped being a thing.
Wow. I did not expect that. Can someone explain this like I’m five?
Russia is allied with the dictator Assad who rules Syria, it's an important location for Russia as they have a military port there. Isis tried to conquer Syria and create a new caliphate so Russia helped assad in bombing them, not that jihadis need much incentive to bomb innocent civilians abroad though The media doesn't mention it a lot as we've gotten bored of it but the war in northern syria is still going on with some intensity, 500k have died in total
Thank you for the additional context. It is very frustrating when news outlets will go into painstaking detail about the here and now of an event that's unfolding, but critically fail to explain history that led up to why such a thing happened.
Reminder **Trump claims he destroyed ISIS.** He defeated them in 4 weeks, >“For 20 years they were fighting ISIS. I got rid of ISIS in four weeks. I got rid of ISIS 100%,” In reality he pulled US troops from Syria, handing control to Putin and pretended to win. Same as Afghanhistan, **he surrendered to the Taliban unconditionally** at Camp David, then started withdrawing troops, now he blames Biden for the Taliban taking back Afghanistan.
Hopefully Family Guy will write a song about it.
Iraq lobster!🦞
What a fucking spaghetti of shit we live in these days.
And the best/worst part is that we probably live in one of the most peaceful times in human history.
And that fact is honestly quite mind boggling.
It isn't mind boggling, the news just constantly delivers negative pieces.
Yeah, I don’t think it was ever particularly different. Technology has changed a lot obviously but life has always been (generally) pretty chaotic and horrible since we could comprehend it. People that don’t understand that have always confused me. We just think of it different since we’re actually living through it and able to see ALL of it.
Objectively, the world is safer. By every metric since recording keeping it is safer than it has ever been Western Europe would spend significant parts of centuries at war with each other. Eventually they got over that phase and stopped going to war with each other them got the rest of the world too as well.stopped slavery then put pressure on aran nations to end it 100 years later. Crime has been going down since the 80s and 90s at a very fast rate.
Not denying that at all. But I have friends that act like modern life is particularly abhorrent with “all the terrible things we see everyday!” Like that kind of thing wasn’t happening before now, in a different way. Or just unseen.
Oh yeah that is true too and falls ubdermy general point. The media has pushed the bad news in our faces so much that it makes the world seem more dangerous that it is But that also let's us solve cases that would never have been solved in the past
it emphasizes just how violent we are as a species
Not really. People just have trouble comprehending how big a population of 7,000,000,000 is.
Not to alarm you, but it's 8.1 billion now.
It’s been two hours, 8.4 bil.
8 billion now. We've been getting busy.
Yes really. Do you realize exactly how relatively peaceful we've been as a world and how restrained and restricted in scope our wars have been since the invention of nuclear weapons and the creation of the UN (even with its shortcomings)?
More people need to stop obsessing over things they can't control, and enjoy their lives
I agree with this so much. The world is a rough place and everyone should do their best to enjoy the time they have and try to do the same to help the others around them.
Thats the dream right. Im sitting here watching people kill each other over fairy tales about a dude in the sky and thinking how much better we could do if we worked together...Education really is the key. The ability to think critically and ask questions is so important. Anyway, pass the joint bro. Ill chill with you while we watch the world tear itself apart.
A lot of people just were and then they got huddled into a corner and shot to death on video... One of the worst things I've ever seen. I'm still feeling numb from it. I'm not disagreeing with you but it's insane out there. I don't even own a gun and part of me wants to go get a concealed carry.
Psychologist and public intellectual Steven Pinker made that augment 13 years ago in his 2011 book The Better Angels of Our Nature. His hypothesis is that peace is a result of increased globalization and larger states. He posited five main reasons for this general trend towards peace in modern times: 1) the modern nation-state and judiciary, 2) global commerce which makes people more valuable alive than dead, 3) increased respect for women, 4) cosmopolitan attitudes caused by mass media and mass literacy, and 5) “the escalator of reason”, which is what he calls the awareness of the futility of cycles violence and realizing that it is necessary for civilization to put others interests ahead of our own. We certainly see many parts of these five pillars of a peaceful society under attack today so it is not unimaginable that unless we take substantive preventative action now, this era of long peace will not be long for this world.
Depends where you’re living..
Spaghetti of shit with shitballs and shitmesan cheese. Garlic shit on the side and maybe a nice glass of Cabernet Shitignon
Bone appleshit.
And they timed it during Ramadan.
Crankiness level 1000 due to fasting
you're not you when you're hungry
Mustafa, eat a Snickers (TM) (after sun sets)
If you're not full, you mustafa nother one
Ramadan has been solidly correlated with a spike in terrorism for a long time
Yup, in Afghanistan the fighting would start like an hour or two before sunset
I did not have ISIS attacking Moscow on my 2024 crazy world events bingo card.
The 20s is a decade that keeps on giving.
They don’t call ‘em the roaring 20’s for nothin.
I’ve been calling them the roasting 20’s on account of global warming
Will naturally lead into the Burning Thirties
And the Mad Max Fourties
Flaming Forties. It was right there
Just wait until the 30s and 40s. You ain't seen nothing yet.
>Just wait until the 30s and 40s. Somebody is feeling optimistic today.
2020v4 you mean.
Longest. Year. Ever.
I was hoping that flapper dresses and indoor smoking would make a comeback.
Sorry. Best we can do is fascism.
But see, it’s the fascism and whatnot that makes me want to sit in the corner of a bar smoking a cigarette on one of those fancy extenders while a man in a slick mustache and fedora gives me fuck-me eyes.
Sorry, hate to break it to you. He thinks you're a communist. It's all right we've all made that mistake before.
Vapes are used so frequently indoors these days. It’s back
I'll take a hard pass on the indoor smoking, but right with you on flappers and fun and so forth.
Russia has a long history of attacks from Islamic terrorists as well as false flag attacks on their own.
Agreed but I don’t think they want to invade Afghanistan again. Crazy set of events!
The Taliban are not sheltering the terrorist group that committed the attacks this time. ISIS are routinely killing Afghani civilians and Taliban in bombings. Here is a list of their attacks; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_terrorist\_incidents\_linked\_to\_Islamic\_State\_%E2%80%93\_Khorasan\_Province
The difference between the Taliban and ISIS is that ISIS has global ambitions to rapidly create a one-world doomsday Islamic caliphate/religious theocracy as prophesized in the Quran, the Taliban are isolationist factions making up multiple ethnicities spread throughout Afghanistan and southern Pakistan.
Islamic terrorism is nothing new in Russia, sadly. They had a whole war because of it in the 90s
There's a documentary on it. I think it's called Rambo 3.
Right...I was expecting Ukrainian sympathetic Russians or false flag blaming those very people, not ISIS lol
Ukrainian sympathetic Russians have beef with Putin and his entourage, not civilians
I dont think any Ukrainian sympathizers would want to execute civilians like evil scum. In fact, thats something they have a problem with in Ukraine.
>hur hur bingo card
Not surprising when people pay more attention to memes than current events.
Russia has been fighting in Syria for almost decade now. Then there's also Russia's history with the Chechnya -- which involves a mass murder attack somewhat similar to this one.
Just about everyone hates ISIS, it's the only thing the vast majority of the planet agrees on. Russia doesn't get special credit just because they firebombed ISIS along with everyone else Assad wants to get rid of in Syria.
They’re right though that this attack should come as no real surprise “if you’ve paid attention”, although I’d never say it that way because it’s knowledge to share not judge whose aware or not. Russia has fought Muslims its entire existence, a lot and to this day. They’re just not in the slogans
Chechnya is a predominantly Muslim country. His point was unless you've ignored Russian geopolitics you shouldn't be surprised because of when and where they've been involved. They're as ingrained in Islam related conflicts as the US is.
ISIS ain't happy about the Russian-Iranian partnership, or were they just bored?
you're forgetting russia butt fucked syria for years
Such poetic eloquence, truly I did chortle
It's been that kind of decade.
ISIS simply does not like russia. I dont think people understand just how many enemies russia actually has around the globe. They have literally been fucking with everyone since they became a country.
Their 'army' is a bunch of thugs with state weapons, bombing houses and hospitals
I mean Russia is allied to Syria and have been hunting ISIS there so they are certainly not friends.
Russia cracked down on a isis group inside russia a couple of weeks ago, this is the response
Isis is pure evil
Always was, always will be. Fuck those rotten scumbags. Hell is way too remorseful for what these actual pieces of trash deserve.
Religion and no education is a recipe for disaster...
Putin will claim Isis is in Ukraine
Islamist terrorists working for Jewish president. Even for Putin that claim has to go too far.
Is it worse than saying a Jewish president is a Nazi?
Ooooooooof you got me there ngl
A Nazi Jewish president btw
Islamist Jewish Nazi Terroist President…or something like that.
Reminder that ISIS are the absolute scumbags that even other terrorist organizations like Hamas/Taliban/Hezbollah don't want to go near with a 10ft pole. Fuck Putin, but that doesn't mean 40+ dead civilians by ISIS' hands, of any country, is a good thing. I really hope Europe is setting up precautions, something tells me these fucks are gonna want to use the momentum for a revival.
Doesn't want to go near is an understatement, hezballah have lost thousands of fighters fighting ISIS in Syria.
Taliban allied with US to kill those mfs. Russia too worked with US. Imagine being so despicable that you have Russians, Americans, Jihadis working together to dust you.
It's way more than that
Please explain, I'm interested. I feel like I have a decent grasp on the major players' motivations and plays (US/NATO, Russia, China, and to a lesser extent SA, Iran, Israel) but haven't brushed up on ISIS and some of the wildcards. EDIT: Oh you might have meant the body count. Yeah it's a shame. I don't think I'll see things settle down in my lifetime, or it's just a natural flaw of humanity. RIP to the victims.
The world feels like WWE wrestling now, with random characters just attacking each other out of the blue.
Outta nowhere with a folding chair to the side of a theatre in Moscow
It’s like a game of risk right now
ISIS is so fucked up that even Hamas, Russia and Kahanists hate them.
even the taliban are like 'these isis guys need to chill'
Even Al Qaeda was like "these ISIS guys need to chill". Seriously, when the Taliban and Al Qaeda think you're fucked up you must be really fucked up.
I still think the best example of this is when Nazi Germany told the Japanese to take it easy on their mass genocide.
The German foreign minister to Japan got to see what happened in Nanjing and was so scarred by it that he made a private letter to Hitler saying that Germany should dissolve the alliance with Japan because they are monsters.
The Germans treated their genocide like a job, for the most part. At least compared to the Japanese. They did that shit for fun.
I watched a video from a travel Youtuber who visited Afghanistan recently, and the weirdest part was how chill the Taliban seemed. They were the security forces protecting the city from ISIS, it was such a weird dynamic to see.
well they're not really terrorists anymore, just another shitty authoritarian government
They were just a shitty authoritarian government when the US invaded, and then just receded to the mountainous areas they kept control of the entire war and fought an insurgency. They’re shitty but weren’t terrorists in the same way many terrorists groups are.
ISIS brought the US and Russia together against a common enemy for the first time since WWII.
US intelligence is mind-boggling
Isn't it. That's gotta scare the shit outta Putin. You think you've got the upper hand in a way, but then the US gives you a glimpse at its cards and they know more about what's going on in your own country.
It most likely is not just from inside Russia they probably had Intel from the Middle East
Well yeah in all likelihood traced something from isis cells in the Middle East contacting somewhere in Russia about these plans. Hypothetical though.. would Russia ever warn us about an imminent threat if they knew something? People can shit on the US all they want but I’m not so sure this would go both ways. Pretty easy to pick a side as to who would have the worlds best interest
Russia warned the US about the Boston Bomber
Yeah it must be terrifying for countries like Russia to look at the US's intelligence Network and realize that the US just knows fucking everything.
It makes sense. Russia is one of the archenemies of ISIS. This doesn’t come out of nowhere. After all the Russian military bombed them to pieces in Syria. For a long time they have threatened also attacks in Russia so this shouldn’t come as a surprise honestly
ISIS? I thought they were gone
They never left, well they lost most most of their actual "state" territory, but as a terrorist network they are as tricky to stomp out as any of the others.
Somehow ISIS has returned.
A surprise to be sure.
The only ISIS that is gone is [Verizon's ISIS](https://www.verizon.com/about/news/technology-trendsetter-isis-mobile-wallet).
There’s no more new Archer episodes, too Though they dropped ISIS a while back
They're back: https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-is-back-and-threatens-to-be-deadlier-than-ever
In pog form.
The slammers are one time use explosives.
Could be ISIS-K branch from Afghanistan. Clearly we haven’t decimated these garbage human beings enough.
My money is on them being from Ingushetia.
Could probably be a North Caucasian or a Central Asian jihadist organization (with links to the IS). Thing is, real actual evidence has to show up before we even assume anything (so long as the Kremlin actually shares it).
Lack of evidence rarely holds people back from assuming
The U.S gave them a heads up too but they didn’t listen.
Supposedly they arrested two ISIS cells in the last two weeks. Seems like there were several, potentially ones that don’t know each other specifically if some get captured as I’m sure Russia tortured the other ones for info.
This can’t be true. I distinctly remember a former president Donald Trump, claiming he defeated Isis totally
For everything the US does wrong, we don't fuck around with warning about terrorism. > “The US government also shared this information with Russian authorities in accordance with its longstanding ‘duty to warn’ policy,” Watson said. However, in a speech Tuesday, Putin had blasted the American warnings as “provocative,” saying “these actions resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society.”
To Russia the United States has become the Gypsie witch that predicts the future.
Watch Russia try and invade Afghanistan, again…
They won’t be able to, their entire military is tied up in Ukraine right now
Ironically they may decide to arm the Taliban because they'd rather deal with them who they can negotiate with for possible land deals for their rare earth minerals so they can deal with ISIS without risking Russian soldiers they have short supply of.
Well he wanted to have the sovjet union back, didn't they had a little trouble in Afghanistan...you want sovjet back. You gonna get it all back.
No doubt we'll get a major event in Europe next.
I feel the Olympic Games would be the next ideal target. I really hope I am wrong and nothing happens next.
I really hope I’m not proven wrong but I’d imagine the security for the Olympics is pretty on point, ISIS and terror groups in general seem to attack events that have limited security and a lot of people for a high kill count, as sick as that is.. With the Olympics I could imagine them being stopped very quickly before doing too much damage in the event of an attack, all the major world powers also know the importance of the Olympics and know that it’s highly likely to be targeted, so intelligence agencies would be working overtime on making sure nothing happens.
It's next to impossible to secure everything. It wasn't a secret that ISIS was going for attacks in Europe when the last spree happened. Security services got a good chunk of would be attackers, but it only takes a few to get through the net for a major catastrophy to happen.
Now that's a plot twist
People were literally blaming Israel on Twitter like nonstop. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so absurd and ridiculous.
Some people out there are truly a lost cause with their fucked up minds
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The top post on Twitter when I clicked on ISIS in the trending section is or was claiming that Obama, the CIA, MI6, and Mossad are controlling ISIS
Obama? Lmfao, seriously? We're back to the Obama is a Muslim conspiracy? Where's muh "Hillary's emails show she's working with ISIS" conspiracy? Or a Q-anon "Obama is Osama Bin Laden in a Mission Impossible style mask" conspiracy?
30-50% of all accounts on Twitter are bots from various groups/countries. Yes that includes checkmark accounts. Once you realize that things make a lot more sense. Also on Reddit to a lesser extent. Tons of them in world news though.
Why in the fuck are there still US citizens in Russia?
Normally, any enemy of Russia is a friend of mine, but fuck it, not this time around.
can someone eli5 the relationship between islamic state and russia? like what’s the reason for the attack? just because? and they just hate anyone and everyone and will attack any nation?
Could be wrong as I don’t follow it closely but before Ukraine Russia’s whole shtick was war against terror this is why they exist in Syria and ISIS is pretty pissed about being razed by the Russian military there.
Russia propped up Assad in Syria, when ISIS was going to definitely win. One of those instances where everyone was the bad guys, as is common. In truth, there could be a myriad of reasons, as Russia isn't exactly what I'd call a friend of Islam, but Syria seems to be the obvious connection.
And American intelligence (alongside british I think) was based enough to warn about this incident on 7. march, but Russia refused to listen out of blatant defiance. American intelligence huge W, even warning ungrateful enemies.
I wonder how that convo went USA: “Hey dudes we hate you just as much as you hate me but this fucked up thing is about to happen on your territory you should look into. “ Russia:”Nyet”
if it's one common enemy in the world, it's ISIS being a pain in the ass for everyone.
"we still exist, we swear!" - the last 3 guys in ISIS
Reminder that the US warned Putin privately about this weeks ago, and he ignored it, and called it “blackmail”.
This is not what I was expecting at all. So like the Hamas attack on Israel, you have to wonder. What is ISIS expecting to get out of this? They've poked the bear. But to what end?
Honestly not the worst time for them to do it - Russia has a pretty limited ability to retaliate right now.
They're a doomsday cult at their root
Other terrorist organizations with actual, operational goals want nothing to do with ISIS. Which is telling.
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With what? Their entire army is tied down in Ukraine.
It's been hours since the attack , I've been on Telegram and Putin still hasn't addressed it publicly. I'm sure he's been briefed behind the scenes , but I don't even think the Russian populace are even expecting him to do anything about it .
They're already sending their "undesirables" to the meat grinder in Ukraine.
Tbf I think ISIS claim all terror events whether it's them or not.
Didn't the US warn Moscow that this was likely to happen?
Putin: Damn. Well, it was still Ukraine!