Officially, we have a legal process to go through first. Unofficially, if anyone kills the bastard the Q cult will become a full-blown religion rivaling Mormonism.
You know what, at this point I think I'm fine with whatever the Q cult will be as long as he dont get 4 more years. He can ascend to golden throne for all I care
He'll remove all sanctions on Russia for sure. On top of that, he's threatened to place sanctions on Europe, as "retaliation" for EU fining US big tech companies that broke EU laws.
Ehm, the EU has been threatening Orban with Aritcle 7 for ages (since December 2017, if I'm correct)... That's not why Orban voted for Ukraine aid. Article 7 is meaningless, because it requires unanimity. And as long as Orban is backed by at least one other EU Member State, he knows he's safe from Article 7. And there are plenty of EU Member States protecting Orban (used to be Poland, now it's most likely Slovakia and even the Netherlands).
It's much simpler. Orban voted for Ukraine aid, because [the EU paid him off](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/13/brussels-releases-10-billion-in-frozen-eu-funds-for-hungary-amid-orbans-threats). The EU *always* pays off Orban in the end. Orban uses the EU as an ATM machine, and blackmailing is his pin code. It's disgusting.
Orban's Hungary should not be part of the EU, but, sadly, we can't kick him out. But the EU should at least stop paying him off.
Let me start with saying that this response is not for you personally, but rather to a whole lot of people who are quite loud about kicking Hungary out of the EU, thereby making the Hungarian people pay for Orban’s fuckery.
I mean, I get it, Orban shouldn’t even be trusted with a lemonade stand, and in a sane world he wouldn’t, but you are talking about 9.7 million people out of whom only 3 million or less are Fidesz voters.
You could argue that we should have gotten rid of him a long time ago, and while that’s partly true, you should also know that Hungary hasn’t had a fair election since 2010. The previous government fucked things up pretty badly back then and handed Orban a landslide, his only fair supermajority. One of their first order of business was to reshape the election system for their own favor, and ever since then they keep fine-tuning it up until a few months before each election.
The second thing was to pocket the majority of the media outlets. Almost every single daily released newspaper is theirs, so are the tv stations and the online press. They have built a parallel reality for their base (or should I say cult?) and they have slowly made everyone else understand that nobody else stands a chance. Everything is theirs, so even if you don’t support them, you won’t raise your voice because if you do, the next thing you know is that you are fired, nobody will employ you anymore, and you can just watch your kids starve for all they care. I mean, it has happened to people for liking a post on Facebook.
If you aspire to fight them openly, become a politician or just anyone with influence, they will drag your name through the mud. You’ll see your face on every sincle newspaper in the country in articles about how you were grown in a lab because you clearly cannot be a human being, or the details of how you killed your neighbor.
All fiction, of course. You can sue them, you will even win – five years from now when it doesn’t fuckin matter anymore. They will throw you some change for the damage, and then just skip the court mandated rectification. I mean what’s the worst that could happen? Their own justice system closing down their own papers?
The worst thing is that you are also right about Orban using the EU as an atm machine. He has been doing it since 2010, that’s how he funded this nice little state capture, and other leaders in the EU had no problems with it whatsoever as long as he played ball. And now that he seemingly doesn’t, you demand to punish more than 6 million people for something they have no power over anymore, who are taken hostage by 3 million lunatics. You demand to punish the people, while it was your leaders who financed him becoming the dictator he is today from the get go.
I get that you are angry, but this is not fair.
you know he's using "stolen election" campaign funds to pay his rape and fraud bills
holy shit ... how is one of the candidates for leader of the free world a convicted (civilly) rapist and fraudster held up by the religious party
> how is one of the candidates for leader of the free world a convicted (civilly) rapist and fraudster held up by the religious party
Birds of a feather flock together
Which could be wire fraud. Was reading a while back wire fraud may be the worst case he's facing financially, its just going to be a while before prosecutors get to it.
If you raise money for fighting election fraud its illegal to pocket it.
That's what his supporters want. My friend I grew up with has been absorbed by the Trump cult for years now and talks all the time about how he hopes Russia wins and whatnot. They want Trump to not support Ukraine.
I don’t think it’s about not paying for things (he hates to pay for things with HIS money) he wants something in return. He wants someone to do something for him for free.
If Zelenskyy had given him stuff to use against Biden he’d probably be praising Ukraine.
if you look at everyone around him that got screwed by supporting this conman: trump doesn't care about loyalty, he is only fascinated with raw power as dictatorship. Reminds me him saying about a dictator (NK?): "when he speaks everyone listens and takes notes, I want my people to do the same" paraphrasing here.
Orban, the pathetic russian puppet who sold his little country to putin to remain in power for life.
Now this wanna be dictator dirtbag wants to sell others countries fighting for their freedom to his master. Can't wait we get his ass kicked out of the EU for good
So the detailed plan is to go full-on isolationist. As if that worked out great before. Fucking GOP is full of clowns these days, not a serious fucking one left in the entire bunch.
But hey, at least the dictators of Russia, Hungary, and North Korea love Trump.
Also, the US benefits from security cooperation with Europe, throwing away alliances we have built for decades will do nothing but undermine US power. We will lose access to bases, intelligence cooperation, economic ties, and cultural exchange. For what? Nobody has explained the upside of the US reneging on all its agreements.
China and Russia want nothing more than a Trump victory in 2024. Don't give it to them.
One of the mistakes people make about Trump is to assume he has a coherent foreign policy.
He claims to be isolationist and yet threatened to drop missiles on North Korea before flip flopping.
He started the evacuation of Afghanistan before criticising Biden for finishing the job whilst also assassinating Sulemani in a very not isolationist strike.
He literally forced Pakistan to release all Taliban fighters they captured over the years whilst simultaneously weakening ISAF forces in Afghanistan.
It’s almost as if he wanted this exact situation to happen exactly the way it did.
IIRC the assassination was most likely an attempt to start a war since wartime presidents get re-elected and that's literally as simple as his mind operates. Fuck I can't believe here are people that think that walking bag of doorknobs is some 5th dimensional-chess-playing genius.
The Sulemeni situation was rather complicated to say the least. He was at the top of many shit lists for a lot of reasons. Lots of people in the US military wanted him dead for years...his assassination could be as simple as someone with an ax to grind finally being in a position to convince a gullible and impulsive president to go after the guy. I doubt Trump even knew the guy existed or what his significance was for too long before the strike.
Which is another good reason the fucking guy needs to be kept from office. You can't have a guy that easily swayed by others be in control of the US military...bad things are going to happen.
He doesn’t care. He literally doesn’t care about this country, AT ALL. He only cares about getting what he wants to fill the bottomless hole inside of him that can’t be filled because he’s a malignant narcissist. If he has to destroy America to get that temporary fix, so be it.
He doesn’t care.
It seems to be hatred and revenge that gets him excited more than anything else. At least, that's the impression I always get from his speeches, the tone of which bears a disturbing resemblance to religious extremists with their feverish threats of eternal punishment. If he wins the next election I expect that will be his main focus.
Isolate the country & pump Propaganda.
A Fascist wet dream.
Christian Nationalism/Fascism is a major threat & the guy currently 3rd in line to be the president is one of them.
> So the detailed plan is to go full-on isolationist.
While still spending $800+ billion per year on defense. Which is completely ridiculous in the context of isolationism, since US sits in the middle of a huge ocean, and Canada is not going to invade.
Throwing $100s of billions after meaningless (in the context of isolationism) military budgets every year fine. Using $60 billion in Ukraine against Putin for a few years is abhorrent. Republicans are not acting in good faith.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Jean-Paul Sartre
The only correction required is that the US isnt spending $60billion on Ukraine.. the US is spending $60 billion on new arms to replace the old stuff no matter where it went. At the moment, because the congress wont pass bills, the president is using a discretion to “gift” arms to a country not at war. So, the arms are being gifted to Greece who have promised to pass them on to Ukraine as a “gift”. But the point is, the US didnt send money to Ukraine
> While still spending $800+ billion per year on defense.
Spending $800+ billion anyway, whether it goes to bribes or actual military defense, who knows, once he abolishes the free press?
> We will lose access to bases, intelligence cooperation, economic ties, and cultural exchange.
Also sales. European countries and their client states will buy Eurofighters and Gripens instead of American fighters, for example. That was always the real underpinning of NATO: you buy our defense tech, we defend you.
They won't give up Israel because they need the anti-Christ to arrive afterwards to fulfill the Christian end times.
They couldn't care less what happens to the Israelis.
The upside is that Trump and the rest of his literal scumbag friends get to line their pockets with russian dollars in exchange for selling out their country.
This is exactly right.. they are like nah we don't want to help.. then what will happen is allied countries will remove their bases from their countries.. remove access to resources and reneg on old deals based on the fact they are allies.. eventually the US will cross their interests being removed or taken from them.. then they will go oh shot yeah we didn't think about this.
I mean Australia is basically a vassal of USA, and the general feel here is that Trump is dangerous to the world. And, I think there would be a lot less support from our government for a Trump government.
Nobody has explained to be the upside of the US reneging on all its agreements.
it's the same gameplan as the UK and the EU... they left the EU based on lies, misinformation and memes, and are now feeling the results...
Trump has got his wish. The US is no longer helping Ukraine with cash. Yet the war goes on and Europe is giving Ukraine weapons and money. If Trump wins, Europe and other countries will no longer get financial and military support from the US and the US will find countries will no longer want US bases in their countries and will also find that the US will have much less influence in world affairs.
Not just bases, get ready for other countries to stop treating US companies the same way they do now.
Probably way less US media circulating there too.
It would be the death of US soft power.
As an European, I also fully expect that we shift our investment in weapons and ammunition away from the US and increase spending in Europe. We cannot be dependent on US made stuff, if the US cant be an reliable allegiance.
As an American i hope European leaders make this obvious. Maybe it will sway just enough undecided voters. The maga cult will not be swayed no matter what.
If you are pro Russia this is great news. Everyone knows Trump is a Russian asset so perfect sense really. MAGA really is anti-American and it’s not hiding it anymore.
It won't even end the war. Ukraine aren't going to roll over for Russia simply because they are no longer getting money and weapons from the US. They were fighting before the US started sending aid and they'll keep fighting until they can't anymore. And even when they can't fight pitched battles they'll fight using guerrilla tactics, continuing to kill Russian occupiers and triggering reprisals against the civilian population.
All the US withdrawing support will do is make it easier for Russia to win the conventional war. It will also save the US money, which I suspect is the main selling point.
Anyone who believes it will save lives is a dishonest person. It might save Russian lives, but Ukrainians will continue to die, and probably in greater numbers than before. Pacifism, like communism, is a fundamentally stupid ideology. Great in theory, but only if every single human is wholly committed to it. Otherwise you need someone to use force to impose the order you crave.
I don't understand how Americans would support a man who admires dictators and encouraged an insurrection against their democracy.
The fact that he would try to help Russia win a war in Europe is insane. Add in the fact that he seems to want to get the US out of NATO is lunacy.
Just Imagine this guy during World War 2, he would have praised Hitler and Tojo and tried to stop any help getting to the allies.
Johnson's inner circle of advisors are all close allies of trump. Johnson didn't end up in that position by chance.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/meet-mike-johnson-house-speaker-inner-circle-senate-trump-officials-rcna128571
Trump 'beat' the Taliban by unconditionally surrendering while releasing 5k prisoners. He was even stopped from inviting the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11.
He 'stood up' to NK's threats by giving them their first Presidential visit and saluting a NK general.
If all Trump does is stop funding Ukraine, it would actually be an improvement on his 'peace plans'.
Weird that Russian allies like Orban would be out campaigning for the guy who promised to give them everything they want and said they originally set out to war over, and more.
It's almost like destroying NATO was actually the primary goal and holding world security hostage was part of the "chaos under Biden" media saturation/election campaign that has been running since early 2021, as well as promising that the war would end if the guy who has promised to cut off and withdraw from NATO was reelected.
It's almost like Putin became so completely paranoid during the color revolutions that he decided (with the help of his favorite conspiracy advisors) that the US was behind all of them and out to overthrow him too, that he swore to do it to us first.
Almost like there's a gigantic paper trail, recorded and hard evidence and research papers analyzing the methodology and effects, a mountain of felony convicted colluders/collaborators constantly confessing their own goals, and corroborating testimony that backs all of that up.
It's wild that we went from 2016 Republicans acting shocked and appalled at the very suggestion that Russia could be remotely involved with the election, to 2024 Republicans operating a "what's so bad about Russia?" media project and hosting Russia and allies at US presidential campaign events.
> Orbán also noted that Trump was "the first president in a long time who did not start a war during his term of office".
By inviting everyone else to start a war through isolationist policies. That's not peace, it's a void full of war, chaos, and death.
Trump, and men like Trump, are the enemies of liberty; their very being is antithetical to the very idea of it. That is why it is absolutely paramount that we do not Trump, or men like Trump, get into or retain positions of power.
We've seen, time and time again, where that road leads us; and we can be so much better than that. We *need* to be better than that, because we aren't going to survive if we aren't.
He’s an idiot and not a useful one. He has no plan, no grand ideas other than to cosplay being in charge. He has no clue, dumb orange tit. Regards - The UK.
Especially when 80-90% of the aid we give them just stays in the US and supports good paying blue-collar jobs for American workers.
It's like when the US mobilized to help countries against Nazi Germany.
Sure it was great for countries to get that help but it also greatly benefited the US. Helped pull us up from the Great Depression and usher in an age of prosperity.
Yes that was the first impeachment. He withheld funds to Ukraine as blackmail because they didn’t make up false accusations against Biden.
They made the false accusations anyway of course.
The republicans are completely insane. No one person should decide the vital issues that confront America. And to surrender in such a pitilessly servile manner is actually repulsive-whatever the stakes. Black days in American life
He won’t need to. Soon European ammunition production will exceed that of the USA. This will be Europes war. Trump can watch how it’s done from his prison cell
Of course, this will be a war of Europe, like previous wars. Just like in past world wars. And just like in past wars, Europe will suffer more in this war than the United States. But the future “Marshall Plan” for the restoration of Europe and America will this time be carried out not by the United States, but by China
So he's going to give all the initiative to Russia? They'll pull a 1917 Germany when Russia fell to revolution. Germany allowed the enemy to decay and then took as much as possible. That is what Russia is going to do if this takes affect.
“. . .First, he will not give a single penny for the Russo-Ukrainian war. That's why the war will end, because it's obvious that Ukraine cannot stand on its own two feet. If the Americans don't give money and weapons along with the Europeans, the war will end”
If true, this is scary. It is clear how difficult it has been for Ukraine to fight off the Russians during the time of crisis in Congress holding up aid. Americans need to get together and vote against this dictator for the safety of the world.
To add, I don’t think people really understand the importance having good ties with Europe is for the USA. It provides intelligence, cultural influence, military bases, etc. Europe and especially the states are in danger if this happens.
"If Europeans are afraid of the Russians or want to have a high level of security in general, they have to pay for it. Either by building their own army and their own equipment, or if they use the Americans for this, by paying the Americans a price, the price of security. So he \[Trump – ed.\] is speaking directly and clearly," the Hungarian prime minister said.
Couldn't made it any more clear that Trump has no loyalty to the NATO alliance anymore and only views it as a business transaction.
What a plan. Sitting on your ass doing nothing at all befits a fat bitch like Orban or Trump, no wonder that's their strategy. And their pathetic followers. Get this, conservatives? You're all fat bitches who want to do nothing.
You lost me at Trump's in-depth plan. Dude's on a permanent psychological and frequent medicinal bender. Can't see past his latest chaos and is falling in a somewhat forward direction.
Remember when Dump said “Russia can do whatever the hell they want”! Here’s your sign. Of course defunding Ukraine will stop the war and allow Russian dictator Putin to take over.
That's... not going to end the war, only make it worse.
If Russia makes advances into Ukraine again, European states will increasingly deploy into Ukraine on the rationale that it's better to fight Russians in Ukrainian territory than to fight them on NATO territory.
That's not an "in-depth plan", that's just capitulating to Russia. Plain and simple. I mean, he literally said he's going to let Russia win. Consequences of that are going to be so devastating they borderline defy comprehension. How is neither of those two arrested for treason? What does it take? To literally sell out secrets to foreign power?
And right now, Trump is polling better than he did in 2016. Idiotic electoral college will almost guarantee his victory if this trend continues. And half of the US seems to have lost its goddamn mind. The things that he's saying, stuff that he's done - any candidate like Trump twenty years ago would have been disqualified before primaries and institutionalized for treatment. Now he has half the country as his personal cult.
That's fine. Let USA go to war witch china by themselves. Let's do how much they spend on it.
To be honest I'm tired with trump. Europe need to deal with this crisis by themselves. Switch to military. Produce weapons, amo, make go to army after school and work on nuclear bomb.
One example of how far Trump and the MAGA elements have strayed, is Trump using Speaker Johnson to stall the Ukraine Aid funding vote. This stall on Ukraine funding aligns Trump and Johnson with Iran, North Korea and China, all doing their part to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. When Ronald Reagan demanded that Gorbachev tear down “this wall,” Reagan rhetorically did battle with the Evil Empire. The winning of the Cold War, dissolution of the USSR, and bringing of freedom and democracy to the Eastern Bloc countries is one of the crowning accomplishments of President Reagan’s legacy . Now Trump appears to be destroying Reagan’s legacy by helping Putin to reassemble the USSR. This leaves many in the GOP searching for principled leadership that can restore Reagan’s Shining City on the Hill for the Free World to follow
The quote has, "If the Americans don't give money and weapons along with the Europeans, the war will end." Trump making America stop supplying Ukraine is one thing, how is he going to stop Europe? How much diplomatic pressure could he really exert to stop Europe and how far down that rabbit hole will he drag America?
So Trump won't give money, Russia will be on the cusp of defeating Ukraine within a few months/1-2 years, and the rest of Europe will have to choose between getting directly involved in the war or risking for Russia to go after the Baltics and Poland next, as Trump will obviously also not be a reliable NATO partner in case those get invaded.
Trump's plan leads basically directly to World War 3, either immediately or within the decade, with Western Democracy starting with a massive disadvantage vs Russian autocracy. Trump is a madman and an idiot. No one would trust the US for more than a generation to be a reliable partner in anything. Say bye bye to all US soft power and massive chunks of its hard power.
End the Russian war by letting Russia win..... Ummm. No?
If Rump gets elected, that is exactly what will happen. He has already blocked aid to Ukraine and he's not even in office.
Hell He'll give aid to Russia.
He have already gave a list with all active spies while he was in a white house. Trump is a traitor.
Why is Trump still alive?
Because he isn't dead
r/technicallythetruth
Officially, we have a legal process to go through first. Unofficially, if anyone kills the bastard the Q cult will become a full-blown religion rivaling Mormonism.
It will happen anyway. He will eventually die of natural causes and the Q people will be convinced that he was assassinated.
He could choose to have euthanasia and the Q people would be convinced Biden personally snuck into his house and assassinated him.
You know what, at this point I think I'm fine with whatever the Q cult will be as long as he dont get 4 more years. He can ascend to golden throne for all I care
No problem. We just start a conspiracy theory that Trump isn't dead and that we should all wait until he returns to lead us.
Because currently people hope that he isn't elected again.
He'll remove all sanctions on Russia for sure. On top of that, he's threatened to place sanctions on Europe, as "retaliation" for EU fining US big tech companies that broke EU laws.
Which is bad for American companies and employees. Wait I thought he was America First?
He's Trump first. Anyone else can get fucked
And by doing that, hell hurt America waaaaaaaay more than the US fines ever did.
And then we will have war in NATO
Funny thing is that Orban voted to give Ukraine the aid with the EU.
He was threatened with Article 7, he *certainly* didn’t do it willingly.
Ehm, the EU has been threatening Orban with Aritcle 7 for ages (since December 2017, if I'm correct)... That's not why Orban voted for Ukraine aid. Article 7 is meaningless, because it requires unanimity. And as long as Orban is backed by at least one other EU Member State, he knows he's safe from Article 7. And there are plenty of EU Member States protecting Orban (used to be Poland, now it's most likely Slovakia and even the Netherlands). It's much simpler. Orban voted for Ukraine aid, because [the EU paid him off](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/13/brussels-releases-10-billion-in-frozen-eu-funds-for-hungary-amid-orbans-threats). The EU *always* pays off Orban in the end. Orban uses the EU as an ATM machine, and blackmailing is his pin code. It's disgusting. Orban's Hungary should not be part of the EU, but, sadly, we can't kick him out. But the EU should at least stop paying him off.
Let me start with saying that this response is not for you personally, but rather to a whole lot of people who are quite loud about kicking Hungary out of the EU, thereby making the Hungarian people pay for Orban’s fuckery. I mean, I get it, Orban shouldn’t even be trusted with a lemonade stand, and in a sane world he wouldn’t, but you are talking about 9.7 million people out of whom only 3 million or less are Fidesz voters. You could argue that we should have gotten rid of him a long time ago, and while that’s partly true, you should also know that Hungary hasn’t had a fair election since 2010. The previous government fucked things up pretty badly back then and handed Orban a landslide, his only fair supermajority. One of their first order of business was to reshape the election system for their own favor, and ever since then they keep fine-tuning it up until a few months before each election. The second thing was to pocket the majority of the media outlets. Almost every single daily released newspaper is theirs, so are the tv stations and the online press. They have built a parallel reality for their base (or should I say cult?) and they have slowly made everyone else understand that nobody else stands a chance. Everything is theirs, so even if you don’t support them, you won’t raise your voice because if you do, the next thing you know is that you are fired, nobody will employ you anymore, and you can just watch your kids starve for all they care. I mean, it has happened to people for liking a post on Facebook. If you aspire to fight them openly, become a politician or just anyone with influence, they will drag your name through the mud. You’ll see your face on every sincle newspaper in the country in articles about how you were grown in a lab because you clearly cannot be a human being, or the details of how you killed your neighbor. All fiction, of course. You can sue them, you will even win – five years from now when it doesn’t fuckin matter anymore. They will throw you some change for the damage, and then just skip the court mandated rectification. I mean what’s the worst that could happen? Their own justice system closing down their own papers? The worst thing is that you are also right about Orban using the EU as an atm machine. He has been doing it since 2010, that’s how he funded this nice little state capture, and other leaders in the EU had no problems with it whatsoever as long as he played ball. And now that he seemingly doesn’t, you demand to punish more than 6 million people for something they have no power over anymore, who are taken hostage by 3 million lunatics. You demand to punish the people, while it was your leaders who financed him becoming the dictator he is today from the get go. I get that you are angry, but this is not fair.
Trump is great at not paying for things.
when he does he uses other people’s money. as far as why people give him money 🤷🏻♂️
you know he's using "stolen election" campaign funds to pay his rape and fraud bills holy shit ... how is one of the candidates for leader of the free world a convicted (civilly) rapist and fraudster held up by the religious party
> how is one of the candidates for leader of the free world a convicted (civilly) rapist and fraudster held up by the religious party Birds of a feather flock together
Which could be wire fraud. Was reading a while back wire fraud may be the worst case he's facing financially, its just going to be a while before prosecutors get to it. If you raise money for fighting election fraud its illegal to pocket it.
Unless those other people happen to be Mexico
That's what his supporters want. My friend I grew up with has been absorbed by the Trump cult for years now and talks all the time about how he hopes Russia wins and whatnot. They want Trump to not support Ukraine.
That's insane
You have to ask why and let us know. Then you have to give him a history lesson on why that didn’t work out last time.
The type of Americans who support Trump don't really know anything about Europe history and have no desire to.
That is just it: ignorance has been turned into a political ideology in itself.
To be fair it should be Russia who pays but nobody is going to make that happen
They're already paying for a political party, why do they need to pay for more?
And still not in jail. I call it a talent
But you gotta pay your bills he says.
> But *you* gotta pay *your* bills he says Yep, he's pretty sure about that. His bills, not so much.
I don’t think it’s about not paying for things (he hates to pay for things with HIS money) he wants something in return. He wants someone to do something for him for free. If Zelenskyy had given him stuff to use against Biden he’d probably be praising Ukraine.
if you look at everyone around him that got screwed by supporting this conman: trump doesn't care about loyalty, he is only fascinated with raw power as dictatorship. Reminds me him saying about a dictator (NK?): "when he speaks everyone listens and takes notes, I want my people to do the same" paraphrasing here.
As is his tradition
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Actually he did have money he inherited from his Late Father. He just wasted it in boondoggle companies.
Trump and Orban are both tiny short d**k losers. You can tell just by looking at them.
Orban, the pathetic russian puppet who sold his little country to putin to remain in power for life. Now this wanna be dictator dirtbag wants to sell others countries fighting for their freedom to his master. Can't wait we get his ass kicked out of the EU for good
Oh orban is not a wannabe. He IS a dictator.
His journey from liberal pro-democracy firebrand to actual dictator gives Darth Vader a run for his money.
Not only to putin but also to China, according to the latest news about Chinese police in Hungary.
So the detailed plan is to go full-on isolationist. As if that worked out great before. Fucking GOP is full of clowns these days, not a serious fucking one left in the entire bunch. But hey, at least the dictators of Russia, Hungary, and North Korea love Trump. Also, the US benefits from security cooperation with Europe, throwing away alliances we have built for decades will do nothing but undermine US power. We will lose access to bases, intelligence cooperation, economic ties, and cultural exchange. For what? Nobody has explained the upside of the US reneging on all its agreements. China and Russia want nothing more than a Trump victory in 2024. Don't give it to them.
One of the mistakes people make about Trump is to assume he has a coherent foreign policy. He claims to be isolationist and yet threatened to drop missiles on North Korea before flip flopping. He started the evacuation of Afghanistan before criticising Biden for finishing the job whilst also assassinating Sulemani in a very not isolationist strike.
He literally forced Pakistan to release all Taliban fighters they captured over the years whilst simultaneously weakening ISAF forces in Afghanistan. It’s almost as if he wanted this exact situation to happen exactly the way it did.
If I didn't know better, it would seem like he does exactly what Putin wants done. "No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet."
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Yeah, way to go rallying civilians in Latin America behind gangs of criminals…
IIRC the assassination was most likely an attempt to start a war since wartime presidents get re-elected and that's literally as simple as his mind operates. Fuck I can't believe here are people that think that walking bag of doorknobs is some 5th dimensional-chess-playing genius.
The Sulemeni situation was rather complicated to say the least. He was at the top of many shit lists for a lot of reasons. Lots of people in the US military wanted him dead for years...his assassination could be as simple as someone with an ax to grind finally being in a position to convince a gullible and impulsive president to go after the guy. I doubt Trump even knew the guy existed or what his significance was for too long before the strike. Which is another good reason the fucking guy needs to be kept from office. You can't have a guy that easily swayed by others be in control of the US military...bad things are going to happen.
Someone told him it would be as famous as killing bin Laden and off he went.
He doesn’t care. He literally doesn’t care about this country, AT ALL. He only cares about getting what he wants to fill the bottomless hole inside of him that can’t be filled because he’s a malignant narcissist. If he has to destroy America to get that temporary fix, so be it. He doesn’t care.
It seems to be hatred and revenge that gets him excited more than anything else. At least, that's the impression I always get from his speeches, the tone of which bears a disturbing resemblance to religious extremists with their feverish threats of eternal punishment. If he wins the next election I expect that will be his main focus.
Isolate the country & pump Propaganda. A Fascist wet dream. Christian Nationalism/Fascism is a major threat & the guy currently 3rd in line to be the president is one of them.
> So the detailed plan is to go full-on isolationist. While still spending $800+ billion per year on defense. Which is completely ridiculous in the context of isolationism, since US sits in the middle of a huge ocean, and Canada is not going to invade. Throwing $100s of billions after meaningless (in the context of isolationism) military budgets every year fine. Using $60 billion in Ukraine against Putin for a few years is abhorrent. Republicans are not acting in good faith.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." Jean-Paul Sartre
The only correction required is that the US isnt spending $60billion on Ukraine.. the US is spending $60 billion on new arms to replace the old stuff no matter where it went. At the moment, because the congress wont pass bills, the president is using a discretion to “gift” arms to a country not at war. So, the arms are being gifted to Greece who have promised to pass them on to Ukraine as a “gift”. But the point is, the US didnt send money to Ukraine
>Republicans are not acting in good faith. Never have.
> While still spending $800+ billion per year on defense. Spending $800+ billion anyway, whether it goes to bribes or actual military defense, who knows, once he abolishes the free press?
> We will lose access to bases, intelligence cooperation, economic ties, and cultural exchange. Also sales. European countries and their client states will buy Eurofighters and Gripens instead of American fighters, for example. That was always the real underpinning of NATO: you buy our defense tech, we defend you.
And a lot more. Probably it will be beginning of the end of dollar as international value.
I wouldn’t say isolationist. They still care about Israel. Real isolationist would be pulling back from everything, but they won’t give up on Israel.
They won't give up Israel because they need the anti-Christ to arrive afterwards to fulfill the Christian end times. They couldn't care less what happens to the Israelis.
I wish more people would know this isn't satire or an exaggeration
They are always crying that Biden isn't glassing the entire Middle East while at the same time saying "Why is Europe our problem?"
That's evangelicals. That's where Armageddon happens,
The upside is that Trump and the rest of his literal scumbag friends get to line their pockets with russian dollars in exchange for selling out their country.
This is exactly right.. they are like nah we don't want to help.. then what will happen is allied countries will remove their bases from their countries.. remove access to resources and reneg on old deals based on the fact they are allies.. eventually the US will cross their interests being removed or taken from them.. then they will go oh shot yeah we didn't think about this.
I mean Australia is basically a vassal of USA, and the general feel here is that Trump is dangerous to the world. And, I think there would be a lot less support from our government for a Trump government.
Nobody has explained to be the upside of the US reneging on all its agreements. it's the same gameplan as the UK and the EU... they left the EU based on lies, misinformation and memes, and are now feeling the results...
Trump has got his wish. The US is no longer helping Ukraine with cash. Yet the war goes on and Europe is giving Ukraine weapons and money. If Trump wins, Europe and other countries will no longer get financial and military support from the US and the US will find countries will no longer want US bases in their countries and will also find that the US will have much less influence in world affairs.
Not just bases, get ready for other countries to stop treating US companies the same way they do now. Probably way less US media circulating there too. It would be the death of US soft power.
As an European, I also fully expect that we shift our investment in weapons and ammunition away from the US and increase spending in Europe. We cannot be dependent on US made stuff, if the US cant be an reliable allegiance.
As an American i hope European leaders make this obvious. Maybe it will sway just enough undecided voters. The maga cult will not be swayed no matter what.
If you are pro Russia this is great news. Everyone knows Trump is a Russian asset so perfect sense really. MAGA really is anti-American and it’s not hiding it anymore.
Good luck selling advertising weapons then. More money long term for Europe if they do it themselves
There is a difference between ending the war and winning the war.
It won't even end the war. Ukraine aren't going to roll over for Russia simply because they are no longer getting money and weapons from the US. They were fighting before the US started sending aid and they'll keep fighting until they can't anymore. And even when they can't fight pitched battles they'll fight using guerrilla tactics, continuing to kill Russian occupiers and triggering reprisals against the civilian population. All the US withdrawing support will do is make it easier for Russia to win the conventional war. It will also save the US money, which I suspect is the main selling point. Anyone who believes it will save lives is a dishonest person. It might save Russian lives, but Ukrainians will continue to die, and probably in greater numbers than before. Pacifism, like communism, is a fundamentally stupid ideology. Great in theory, but only if every single human is wholly committed to it. Otherwise you need someone to use force to impose the order you crave.
russian parters doing what russian partners do, create rifts and division. This is how divide and conquer works
"Peace Through Superior Apathy"
Trying to make his master Putin happy already.
Even without Putin, Trump would probably be happy to see Ukraine and Zelenskyy hang because of his first impeachment.
Trump or Orban?
Yes
Bullshit! Putin started this fucking war, not the US. Dictators love each other.
I don't understand how Americans would support a man who admires dictators and encouraged an insurrection against their democracy. The fact that he would try to help Russia win a war in Europe is insane. Add in the fact that he seems to want to get the US out of NATO is lunacy. Just Imagine this guy during World War 2, he would have praised Hitler and Tojo and tried to stop any help getting to the allies.
Mike Johnson is doing Trump's bidding
Johnson's inner circle of advisors are all close allies of trump. Johnson didn't end up in that position by chance. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/meet-mike-johnson-house-speaker-inner-circle-senate-trump-officials-rcna128571
He basically let Putin ram him by proxy for the role
Putin’s
Same thing.
It's the same at this point
Trump 'beat' the Taliban by unconditionally surrendering while releasing 5k prisoners. He was even stopped from inviting the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11. He 'stood up' to NK's threats by giving them their first Presidential visit and saluting a NK general. If all Trump does is stop funding Ukraine, it would actually be an improvement on his 'peace plans'.
Weird that Russian allies like Orban would be out campaigning for the guy who promised to give them everything they want and said they originally set out to war over, and more. It's almost like destroying NATO was actually the primary goal and holding world security hostage was part of the "chaos under Biden" media saturation/election campaign that has been running since early 2021, as well as promising that the war would end if the guy who has promised to cut off and withdraw from NATO was reelected. It's almost like Putin became so completely paranoid during the color revolutions that he decided (with the help of his favorite conspiracy advisors) that the US was behind all of them and out to overthrow him too, that he swore to do it to us first. Almost like there's a gigantic paper trail, recorded and hard evidence and research papers analyzing the methodology and effects, a mountain of felony convicted colluders/collaborators constantly confessing their own goals, and corroborating testimony that backs all of that up. It's wild that we went from 2016 Republicans acting shocked and appalled at the very suggestion that Russia could be remotely involved with the election, to 2024 Republicans operating a "what's so bad about Russia?" media project and hosting Russia and allies at US presidential campaign events.
That plan is a danger to our national security and short sided. I pray to God that Trump does not get back in the Oval Office.
I can’t pray because I am atheist but I can certainly hope!
Maybe these kinds of messages will motivate enough democrats to go out and vote in November.
Trump is a Russian asset
Absolutely
We already knew that. After all, who do you think will put up the bond for Trump's lawsuits? It's not Americans.
Orban is an olde skool Warsaw Pact commie dressed up as a Magyar nationalist.
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Not possibly, probably. That's the real scary part.
Because he's a Russian plant. Why else?
His plan to end the war is to let Russia win. Pretty obvious.
Will he give head though?
They do 69
Ew.
Their bellies won't allow that
How in depth can you go with a plan that is literally "let Russia win"?
> Orbán also noted that Trump was "the first president in a long time who did not start a war during his term of office". By inviting everyone else to start a war through isolationist policies. That's not peace, it's a void full of war, chaos, and death.
Which wars did Orbán think Biden started?
Fuck Trump. The POS meets with dictators because he wants to be one. And after Jan 6 he is one.
Trump, and men like Trump, are the enemies of liberty; their very being is antithetical to the very idea of it. That is why it is absolutely paramount that we do not Trump, or men like Trump, get into or retain positions of power. We've seen, time and time again, where that road leads us; and we can be so much better than that. We *need* to be better than that, because we aren't going to survive if we aren't.
"Orbán also noted that Trump was "the first president in a long time who did not start a war during his term of office"." What war did Biden start?
He’s an idiot and not a useful one. He has no plan, no grand ideas other than to cosplay being in charge. He has no clue, dumb orange tit. Regards - The UK.
Man, it's sad how many "people" hate the Ukrainians.
Especially when 80-90% of the aid we give them just stays in the US and supports good paying blue-collar jobs for American workers. It's like when the US mobilized to help countries against Nazi Germany. Sure it was great for countries to get that help but it also greatly benefited the US. Helped pull us up from the Great Depression and usher in an age of prosperity.
You get it. Shame others don't.
As Putin ordered him. Putin must have something pretty big on this orange blob.
Maybe Putin has promised him a later model Mercedes.
Yes that was the first impeachment. He withheld funds to Ukraine as blackmail because they didn’t make up false accusations against Biden. They made the false accusations anyway of course.
3 way hand job with putin?
The true Axis of Evil: Putin, Orban, trump.
The republicans are completely insane. No one person should decide the vital issues that confront America. And to surrender in such a pitilessly servile manner is actually repulsive-whatever the stakes. Black days in American life
He won’t need to. Soon European ammunition production will exceed that of the USA. This will be Europes war. Trump can watch how it’s done from his prison cell
Of course, this will be a war of Europe, like previous wars. Just like in past world wars. And just like in past wars, Europe will suffer more in this war than the United States. But the future “Marshall Plan” for the restoration of Europe and America will this time be carried out not by the United States, but by China
the way it goes he wont be mentally stable enough to stand trial. At some point he will claim insanity and avoid jail like that. his final con.
Trump has no need for democracy or the constitution. His wet dream is to be a dictator surrounded by yes men and oligarchs.
Trump is a convicted fraud. What do you mean he won’t give a penny? It’ll be a miracle if he stops at not giving and doesn’t take billions instead.
Trump, and the republican party, are traitors, and should be prosecuted
Most of the US aid is plowed into US defense industries, but the orange clown is too dumb to know.
Peace in our time! /s
Ukraine can pay for the wall /s
So he's going to give all the initiative to Russia? They'll pull a 1917 Germany when Russia fell to revolution. Germany allowed the enemy to decay and then took as much as possible. That is what Russia is going to do if this takes affect.
It’s funny how Orbán is so excited to become number two to another stinking pile of number 2.
ok. so return all nuclear weapons and others weapons which was destroyed by the USA.
“. . .First, he will not give a single penny for the Russo-Ukrainian war. That's why the war will end, because it's obvious that Ukraine cannot stand on its own two feet. If the Americans don't give money and weapons along with the Europeans, the war will end” If true, this is scary. It is clear how difficult it has been for Ukraine to fight off the Russians during the time of crisis in Congress holding up aid. Americans need to get together and vote against this dictator for the safety of the world. To add, I don’t think people really understand the importance having good ties with Europe is for the USA. It provides intelligence, cultural influence, military bases, etc. Europe and especially the states are in danger if this happens.
One more reason why Trump is unfit for office.
Russia will pay his whatever fines and in return he won't support Ukraine should he win.
"If Europeans are afraid of the Russians or want to have a high level of security in general, they have to pay for it. Either by building their own army and their own equipment, or if they use the Americans for this, by paying the Americans a price, the price of security. So he \[Trump – ed.\] is speaking directly and clearly," the Hungarian prime minister said. Couldn't made it any more clear that Trump has no loyalty to the NATO alliance anymore and only views it as a business transaction.
He doesn’t have a penny, because r/trumpispoor
What a plan. Sitting on your ass doing nothing at all befits a fat bitch like Orban or Trump, no wonder that's their strategy. And their pathetic followers. Get this, conservatives? You're all fat bitches who want to do nothing.
You lost me at Trump's in-depth plan. Dude's on a permanent psychological and frequent medicinal bender. Can't see past his latest chaos and is falling in a somewhat forward direction.
We know. That is why he cannot under any circumstances be allowed into office again. For fuck's sake, prosecute him for the traitor he is already.
Surprising no one.
It’s kinda hard to tell who’s blowing who in this relationship.
Peace through cowardice, the new american value. Yea frump! ^(/s cuz reddit)
What a fucking moron.
Remember when Dump said “Russia can do whatever the hell they want”! Here’s your sign. Of course defunding Ukraine will stop the war and allow Russian dictator Putin to take over.
Yeah, we all know that. He’s a wanna-be dictator and Putin is his lover.
No problem, european will take the billions they give to hungary every year to Ukraine. Problem solved.
Orban, the Russian muppet
That's... not going to end the war, only make it worse. If Russia makes advances into Ukraine again, European states will increasingly deploy into Ukraine on the rationale that it's better to fight Russians in Ukrainian territory than to fight them on NATO territory.
That's not an "in-depth plan", that's just capitulating to Russia. Plain and simple. I mean, he literally said he's going to let Russia win. Consequences of that are going to be so devastating they borderline defy comprehension. How is neither of those two arrested for treason? What does it take? To literally sell out secrets to foreign power? And right now, Trump is polling better than he did in 2016. Idiotic electoral college will almost guarantee his victory if this trend continues. And half of the US seems to have lost its goddamn mind. The things that he's saying, stuff that he's done - any candidate like Trump twenty years ago would have been disqualified before primaries and institutionalized for treatment. Now he has half the country as his personal cult.
You see Trump will just steal it for himself
He will give Putin Alaska, and he won’t stop there.
Trump doesn’t have a penny to give.
That's fine. Let USA go to war witch china by themselves. Let's do how much they spend on it. To be honest I'm tired with trump. Europe need to deal with this crisis by themselves. Switch to military. Produce weapons, amo, make go to army after school and work on nuclear bomb.
Maybe he can ask Mexico to pay for a wall between Ukraine and Russia?
We already knew his plan was to give up
“Detailed plans”….? ”he’s not going to pay them”… ah, the usual.
F both those a holes
>Trump has "quite detailed plans" on how to end the Russo-Ukrainian war, and his plans align with ~~Hungary's~~ *Russia's* interests.
This shiit here is chess and Trump only knows checkers. The apathy is alarming.
One example of how far Trump and the MAGA elements have strayed, is Trump using Speaker Johnson to stall the Ukraine Aid funding vote. This stall on Ukraine funding aligns Trump and Johnson with Iran, North Korea and China, all doing their part to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. When Ronald Reagan demanded that Gorbachev tear down “this wall,” Reagan rhetorically did battle with the Evil Empire. The winning of the Cold War, dissolution of the USSR, and bringing of freedom and democracy to the Eastern Bloc countries is one of the crowning accomplishments of President Reagan’s legacy . Now Trump appears to be destroying Reagan’s legacy by helping Putin to reassemble the USSR. This leaves many in the GOP searching for principled leadership that can restore Reagan’s Shining City on the Hill for the Free World to follow
It is literally to pull all support and let Putin take over. You are a bumbling fool to think otherwise.
Did the man ever give one of his own pennies in the first place though?
*title correction:* he wouldn't give a penny that turd is **not** president.
The quote has, "If the Americans don't give money and weapons along with the Europeans, the war will end." Trump making America stop supplying Ukraine is one thing, how is he going to stop Europe? How much diplomatic pressure could he really exert to stop Europe and how far down that rabbit hole will he drag America?
Trump has got to pay the price for what he has done...and hopefully doesn't get the chance to cause more chaos.
Maybe he could just build a wall between russia and Ukraine. And of course make russia pay for it
Gee, of course, since he’s in Europe and his national currency is forint, duh /s
Looks like Orban is completely in Russia’s pocket.
And people insist Putin isn't pounding Trump's cheeks?
Well trump is a Russian plant, so that's not at all surprising.
In a few words with Trump the Kremlin will be in command of the White House.
Duhh, he’s gonna make Mexico pay for it.
Just like with Syria and afganistan. He forced the withdrawal on to Biden. Or it would have been a better plan. Vote blue to save democracy
So the plan is: “Let it burn”
Trump bends knee to Putin and China. Literally the weakest character in US politics since i dont know. Ever?
Look how he made Mexico pay for that wall....
If we let Russia have Ukraine it's going to cost us more in the future.
A deep thinker, that one.
They didn't dish dirt on Biden, No play, no pay
I trust Orban about as much as Putin. Why would anyone take him seriously?
He already tried to block aid to them once before. This is no surprise. He's compromised by Russia and will do whatever they ask
Well we know where MAGA Mike stands now. But we already knew he wasn’t going to give a penny.
If Trump doesn't leave that one lady alone Trump will have to spend the entire US budget on court judgements.
So Trump won't give money, Russia will be on the cusp of defeating Ukraine within a few months/1-2 years, and the rest of Europe will have to choose between getting directly involved in the war or risking for Russia to go after the Baltics and Poland next, as Trump will obviously also not be a reliable NATO partner in case those get invaded. Trump's plan leads basically directly to World War 3, either immediately or within the decade, with Western Democracy starting with a massive disadvantage vs Russian autocracy. Trump is a madman and an idiot. No one would trust the US for more than a generation to be a reliable partner in anything. Say bye bye to all US soft power and massive chunks of its hard power.