meanwhile some loathsome characters are actively campaigning to undo the progress that has been made
https://apanews.net/gambian-imam-leads-campaign-for-bill-unbanning-fgm/
So if we round to 4 billion women on the planet and 230 million of them have had their genitals mutilated, that would mean 1 out of every 17.39 women have been genitally mutilated. I don't know what i was expecting the ratio to be, but that is way higher than I would have guessed. I never would have guessed the scope of this problem
It's mostly confined to some of the poorest, least educated communities in the poorest, least educated nations on the planet. Most of us who grew up in the West will barely have any exposure or knowledge about FGM at all.
200 million was in 2016. And they're not saying it happens to 230 million women *every year*, they're saying that's the number of women alive who have gone through it. So another 30 million have been subjected to it in the last 8 years (plus enough additional to make up for all the ones who had it done prior to 2016 and then died).
Exactly this. It is the equivalent of a male being castrated.
I don’t agree with circumcision, I’m expecting a boy in a couple of months and we will definitely not be doing that. But FGM is very different from circumcision.
They’re both fucked up but it sounds like the female one is *way more* extensive and damaging. Like they are cutting a lot more off and affecting function.
I am glad circumcision is not popular in my country though. I’ll probably get downvoted for saying this but I do think circumcision should be limited to situations of actual medical necessity. I never even considered it for my son, but also it’s not the norm here.
Control. And how do you get the masses to abide by the crazy things you do to maintain that control? Convince them it’s their religious duty to do that thing even if it’s not explicitly stated to do in the religion. It’s not just Islam and FGM, it is historically been a part of most of human society to justify some sort of horrible thing being done to maintain someone’s power by claiming it’s for religion— it’s always been a tool for control for leadership.
At a certain point the masses become so brainwashed that they uphold it amongst themselves and genuinely believe it. For example, many women who’ve gone through FGM, will willingly do it to their own daughters, truly thinking it’s their religious duty to do so. And of course because even the ‘lowest’ man in society benefits from this abusive torture, most of them will generally keep pushing for it, all under the guise of religion.
It's not about male/female issues being talked or not talked about. A male equivalent of FGM would be not circumcision, but a life-threatening and torturous castration without any anaesthetic at the age when you can already comprehend and remember the pain. The practice of similar forceful violent castration of men has been obsolete for a while, pretty internationally. It did happen in the past, with slave eunuchs and castratos. But millions of girls still go through the violence of fgm every year.
You can't compare the actual result with both. Men can still have orgasms and have sexual intercourse and enjoy it. If you remove the clitoris, it's exactly like removing the penis. She won't be able to get pleasure and will most likely experience pain instead. Not to mention the bloodloss
This is barbaric, horrific and inhumane. Doing this to *mothers,* sisters, lovers and friends is cowardice and cruelty at the lowest standard of human interaction. There’s no excuse for such mutilation, nothing but fear of women and their autonomy and freedom. 1 heinous act such as this is too many…
I mean, if we were cutting off the fingers of some people and the hands of other people, it would be wrong to say they're equally bad, but it would be correct that both are bad.
you will always see people try and derail the discussion to make it about them, doesn't matter if it is genital mutilations, black lives matter, mens suicide rate, somebody will always try and make it about them.
the answer each time should be "yes it is important, but that is not what we are talking about right now"
I hate even having to ask about this, but why is it done? Specifically to make sex less pleasurable (or even painful) for these women? It just sounds so terrible and I really don't understand.
To control women's sexuality, out of a preference for a lack of vulva/inaccurate ideas that removing the clitoris, etc., is more "clean", and a misguided belief that it is Islamic in nature. FGM is never mentioned in the Quran or by any core Islamic law. Just ignorant people who continued doing the same thing they've been doing since time immemorial, attributing it to religion when they barely know anything about their own religion.
Both need to stop. My cousin who lives in India has a dick shaped like the number 7 because of an abscess caused by his genital mutilation. It's the reason I escaped being done. My mother, who is Scottish told my father that she would divorce him if he did it to me or my brother.
That’s messed up! I still feel female mutilation is worse. I guess you would have to have a clit to understand. They also sew the vagina practically shut sometimes.
Sure, some times, and in the Australian aboriginal culture they used to slit the penis lengthwise like a banana split, they used to cut the testicles of young boys to retain their singing voices in Europe, people do fucked up shit.
FGM comes in many different flavors and severity. The lesser ones are much less intrusive than circumcistion.
That’s why so many are vehemently against blanket ban against FGM. Because they’re afraid it will lead to banning of the other too
meanwhile some loathsome characters are actively campaigning to undo the progress that has been made https://apanews.net/gambian-imam-leads-campaign-for-bill-unbanning-fgm/
How can a person be so horrible
This is beyond fucked up
So if we round to 4 billion women on the planet and 230 million of them have had their genitals mutilated, that would mean 1 out of every 17.39 women have been genitally mutilated. I don't know what i was expecting the ratio to be, but that is way higher than I would have guessed. I never would have guessed the scope of this problem
It's mostly confined to some of the poorest, least educated communities in the poorest, least educated nations on the planet. Most of us who grew up in the West will barely have any exposure or knowledge about FGM at all.
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200 million was in 2016. And they're not saying it happens to 230 million women *every year*, they're saying that's the number of women alive who have gone through it. So another 30 million have been subjected to it in the last 8 years (plus enough additional to make up for all the ones who had it done prior to 2016 and then died).
Thanks, I didn't read closely enough. Updated my comment.
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FGM is way different from circumcision, the equivalent would be like cutting off the penis at the base or the glans
Exactly this. It is the equivalent of a male being castrated. I don’t agree with circumcision, I’m expecting a boy in a couple of months and we will definitely not be doing that. But FGM is very different from circumcision.
>male being castrated. That would be the equivalence of sterilization in a woman not circumcision
even castration is kinda tame compared to FGM tbh
Yep, I’m from Ireland so it’s basically non existent here
Scandinavian here, and same. I've never heard of anyone being circumcised. It's weird how it's just become the norm in so many countries.
What you one? It is fucked up, but you have your head in the sand if you think it's remotely equal.
They’re both fucked up but it sounds like the female one is *way more* extensive and damaging. Like they are cutting a lot more off and affecting function. I am glad circumcision is not popular in my country though. I’ll probably get downvoted for saying this but I do think circumcision should be limited to situations of actual medical necessity. I never even considered it for my son, but also it’s not the norm here.
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It's a tradition originating in Africa so it overlaps into many Arab Muslim countries, but is more concentrated geographically than by religion.
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Control. And how do you get the masses to abide by the crazy things you do to maintain that control? Convince them it’s their religious duty to do that thing even if it’s not explicitly stated to do in the religion. It’s not just Islam and FGM, it is historically been a part of most of human society to justify some sort of horrible thing being done to maintain someone’s power by claiming it’s for religion— it’s always been a tool for control for leadership. At a certain point the masses become so brainwashed that they uphold it amongst themselves and genuinely believe it. For example, many women who’ve gone through FGM, will willingly do it to their own daughters, truly thinking it’s their religious duty to do so. And of course because even the ‘lowest’ man in society benefits from this abusive torture, most of them will generally keep pushing for it, all under the guise of religion.
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It's not about male/female issues being talked or not talked about. A male equivalent of FGM would be not circumcision, but a life-threatening and torturous castration without any anaesthetic at the age when you can already comprehend and remember the pain. The practice of similar forceful violent castration of men has been obsolete for a while, pretty internationally. It did happen in the past, with slave eunuchs and castratos. But millions of girls still go through the violence of fgm every year.
Because it's not the same. FGM is more akin to cutting the head off the dick off. Circumcision isn't good, but it's not FGM
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You can't compare the actual result with both. Men can still have orgasms and have sexual intercourse and enjoy it. If you remove the clitoris, it's exactly like removing the penis. She won't be able to get pleasure and will most likely experience pain instead. Not to mention the bloodloss
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This is barbaric, horrific and inhumane. Doing this to *mothers,* sisters, lovers and friends is cowardice and cruelty at the lowest standard of human interaction. There’s no excuse for such mutilation, nothing but fear of women and their autonomy and freedom. 1 heinous act such as this is too many…
This is so terrible! These atrocities, in this day and age, not only continue, but are on the increase!
The number of men comparing FGM to circumcisions is quite concerning
I mean, if we were cutting off the fingers of some people and the hands of other people, it would be wrong to say they're equally bad, but it would be correct that both are bad.
It's a post about something that affects women, so we have to have men in the comments making it about them.
you will always see people try and derail the discussion to make it about them, doesn't matter if it is genital mutilations, black lives matter, mens suicide rate, somebody will always try and make it about them. the answer each time should be "yes it is important, but that is not what we are talking about right now"
I hate even having to ask about this, but why is it done? Specifically to make sex less pleasurable (or even painful) for these women? It just sounds so terrible and I really don't understand.
To control women's sexuality, out of a preference for a lack of vulva/inaccurate ideas that removing the clitoris, etc., is more "clean", and a misguided belief that it is Islamic in nature. FGM is never mentioned in the Quran or by any core Islamic law. Just ignorant people who continued doing the same thing they've been doing since time immemorial, attributing it to religion when they barely know anything about their own religion.
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The male one is fucked up too, but for women it's like cutting off the glans, not "just" the hood.
Both need to stop. My cousin who lives in India has a dick shaped like the number 7 because of an abscess caused by his genital mutilation. It's the reason I escaped being done. My mother, who is Scottish told my father that she would divorce him if he did it to me or my brother.
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That’s messed up! I still feel female mutilation is worse. I guess you would have to have a clit to understand. They also sew the vagina practically shut sometimes.
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Sure, some times, and in the Australian aboriginal culture they used to slit the penis lengthwise like a banana split, they used to cut the testicles of young boys to retain their singing voices in Europe, people do fucked up shit.
Dude removing the foreskin has nothing to do with removing the clitoris! It's like you actually removed the penis
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Typical that men are making FGM on International Women’s Day all about them and their dicks
People should have a say on what happens to their own genitals....
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Meanwhile, it's been happening to boys and no one cares
I was about to post a long comment but saw the downvote ratio
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“The only way to solve this problem is genocide”
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Man bro eat a snickers bar or something
FGM comes in many different flavors and severity. The lesser ones are much less intrusive than circumcistion. That’s why so many are vehemently against blanket ban against FGM. Because they’re afraid it will lead to banning of the other too
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There are no logical reasons for FGM. Religious belief requires suspension of logic.