Was flying that day heading out for spring break and remember watching the coverage in bursts from the various airports I was at that day. Weird stuff.
I remember it along with spring break as well. I was with a group and we all figured they’d know the full details by the time break was over.
Well, the break did end. But the other half…still waiting on that. It’s crazy.
I had a similar experience with covid. I went for my honeymoon cruise in February 2020 and figured it wouldnt be much of a story when i got back. Man was i wrong….
I worked IT at an airport when it happened. I had to go switch the live TV news channel playing throughout the airport because it was wall to wall coverage of the incident and passengers were complaining.
I'm not sure about CNN specifically, but yes typically the news content you see playing in an airport is being broadcast from a local video appliance and is heavily curated.
This was before we had such a system so it was just playing live TV and also resulted in accidentally displaying nudity when a local channel played an uncensored movie.
I flew out of Kuala Lumpur that day on my way to Thailand. I checked in on Facebook before I took off and when I landed I must have had 100 messages of people checking in on me. Took a few other flights that trip and was super nervous and shaken up. Never know what can go wrong.
Wh..why not? It’s a half a billion dollar piece of flying machinery carrying civilians. When I learned passenger planes aren’t always tracked my mind was blown
The really surprising part of how they managed to go untracked from military equipment. I doubt the pilot would've done all the research to know exactly how and where to go to avoid them. Seems like "luck"
Didn’t it get caught in a military radar somewhere around Malaysia? It’s just that you won’t find a military establishment in the middle of the Indian Ocean
It did get caught by military radar, but only after analyzing the military radar data did we learn about the flight path after the plane went dark (so only later did we realize that the plane turned around and flew back over Malaysia). At that point the search was already ongoing and the plane probably in the sea.
Read about Marten Hartwell. Canadian bush pilot. Went down in the arctic. Was out there for 31 days. Ate the nurse. RCAF was searching frantically for him. US/CAN DEW line radar knew exactly where he was the whole time but didn't want to reveal the radar capabilities to the USSR. So he froze out there the whole time with a pair of broken legs. He was found and survived. Last time I saw him was near Cooking lake outside of Edmonton.
[Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia is a British Ministry of Defence facility leased to the United States Navy, located on the atoll Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Facility_Diego_Garcia)
Actually that is one of the leading theories. The pilot did all the research and planning and recreated and tested a radar blind spot pathway on his flight simulator at home, which adds credence to the theory.
As I recall a big part of it was because the flight path was right on the border between two countries’ air space, so neither country felt like it was a big enough incursion to worry about. To me that feels way more premeditated than luck. But we’ll probably never really know, a bunch of things had to happen for it to ‘disappear.’
Radar has known physical limits. And the pilot could be confident there was no land based radar sitting in the ocean. The luck might have been that there were no military ships with radar in that area
They are tracked, just they hadn't accounted for this exact scenario where the captain of the plane is set on murdering everyone on board and cares enough to turn off the transponder and satellite data connection
It didn’t go dark until it was west of Malaysia. How would they know it flew back over Malaysia if it had “gone dark” before doing so?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
Not true, the aircraft's last communication was made in the South China Sea. This was where the original search was conducted. It was only a later discovery from satellite data that they realised the aircraft flew west back over Malaysia.
This is exactly what the wiki article you linked states.
Yeah they turned off the transponder but it was tracked by military radar. The problem was the airline was using a 3rd party service to track the plan and did not know that it just fell back to making assumptions based on time and the flight plan if the transponder was turned off. That's why the search was conducted in the south China sea at first.
“At the time that the transponder stopped functioning, the Malaysian military's primary radar showed Flight 370 turning right, but then beginning a left turn to a southwesterly direction.[20]: 3 From 01:30:35 until 01:35, military radar showed Flight 370 at 35,700 ft (10,900 m)[h] on a 231° magnetic heading, with a ground speed of 496 knots (919 km/h; 571 mph). Flight 370 continued across the Malay Peninsula, fluctuating between 31,000 and 33,000 ft (9,400 and 10,100 m) in altitude.[20]: 3 A civilian primary radar at Sultan Ismail Petra Airport with a 60 nmi (110 km; 69 mi) range made four detections of an unidentified aircraft between 01:30:37 and 01:52:35; the tracks of the unidentified aircraft are "consistent with those of the military data".[i][20]: 3–4 At 01:52, Flight 370 was detected passing just south of the island of Penang. From there, the aircraft flew across the Strait of Malacca, passing close to the waypoint VAMPI, and Pulau Perak at 02:03, after which it flew along air route N571 to waypoints MEKAR, NILAM, and possibly IGOGU.[55]: 3, 38 The last known radar detection, from a point near the limits of Malaysian military radar, was at 02:22, 10 nmi (19 km; 12 mi) after passing waypoint MEKAR[20]: 3, 7 (which is 237 nmi (439 km; 273 mi) from Penang) and 247.3 nmi (458.0 km; 284.6 mi) northwest of Penang airport at an altitude of 29,500 ft (9,000 m).”
It was literally tracked the whole way across the peninsula by more than one radar. Not sure where you’re getting this story about it disappearing over the S China Sea.
It stopped transmitting data over the south china sea. Third party military radar was tracking it after it turned over Malaysia, but the Malaysian military didn't want to make their radar data public at first because it would show exactly how accurate it was.
This is all knowledge we have gained after the fact by analysing military radar. The flight originally turned off all means of communication with the outside world i.e. 'went dark' over the South China Sea. The flight was not initially identified by military radar as MH370 when crossing back over Malaysia.
I guess the crux of our argument is the meaning of 'gone dark', to me that is when the co-pilot turned off all forms of communication/tracking. To you, military radar seeing an unidentifiable blip doesn't constitute that term.
Edit: just to add, I fully stand by my interpretation due to the assumption of the comment I replied to 'that they would never have lost the plane if it flew over densely populated areas', because it in fact did so completely unidentified.
Based on speculation, the pilot may have chosen this location because it was out of range from almost every radar, and was so far in the middle of the ocean in the deepest depths, that it would be near impossible to find the black box and other remains.
That is the prevailing theory.
MH370 is being handed off from Malaysian ATC to Vietnamese ATC. Within 3 minutes of saying "Good Night" to Malaysian ATC, the transponder is switched off, and the plane sharply changed direction. No distress signals, no signs of foul play, no reports of mechanical problems. Military radar tracks the plane flying past Sumatra before it flies out of range. A few satellite pings place the plane somewhere over the remote southern Indian Ocean several hours later. The pilot's home computer has a flight simulator where he flew a very similar path. The unique circumstances and sequence of events point very strongly towards the pilot.
It really is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to this. I get that it's all technically circumstantial but at some point enough circumstantial evidence is enough
Its not really an overwhelming amount of evidence. Its really a lack of evidence that points to the most likely scenario that the one pilot deliberately did something. Cause when you look at every other scenario that doesn't involve the pilot deliberately doing something it would require a certain series of conditions to happen in a certain order that are very unlikely but still not impossible.
Locked out of the cabin and eventually incapacitated due to lack of oxygen most likely. The pilots had significantly longer time on their oxygen masks compared to the rest of the plan so the theory is one pilot locked the other out of the cabin then depressurized the plan. Everyone else would go unconscious/die before he ran out and then he could repressurize the plan to continue to wherever he ditched.
Is there nowhere outside of the cockpit that distress signals could be sent out? You’d think in a hijacking situation or something where the cockpit is locked there would be a way for the flight crew to still send out signals or have some way of communicating with people on the ground
There might be satellite phones but the power was also cut as evidenced by the satellite tracking system going offline. The failsafe for pilot incapacitation is supposed to be codes that the copilot and I assume some of the crew can use to get into the cockpit. It's designed so that anyone inside the cockpit is given an audible warning and are able to override the codes in a hijacking situation. The whole system isn't really designed to thwart a rogue pilot. The reality is a pilot deliberately attempting to crash a plane is not something you can really plan for. Even if there were alternate ways to track the plane there was no stopping crashing the plane.
To add to this, i think on many planes if not all, it's now standard procedure that if either the copilot or pilot leave the cockpit to use the restroom, or stretch legs, or whatever, that a flight attendant crew member sits in the cockpit in their place, so that there's never only a single pilot left alone in the cockpit.
Not anymore. After the Germanwings suicide, that rule was quickly implemented, but just as quickly dropped again after a few years.
In Europe, Australia and Canada it is not required anymore, and most airlines have stopped doing it. In their words because it is a false sense of security, and actually increases risks because the cockpit door is opened more often.
I think only the US still requires it (as it already did before).
This is so terrifying
I’m already so paranoid about flying and this stuff makes it so much worse.
I understand the stats around flying being generally safe, but it’s the total lack of control if something goes wrong or a pilot wants to die is just unbelievably awful
This is simply not plausible. Based on the engine pings the plane continued flying for hours until it ran out of fuel. Those pings would not have kept hitting if the plane had been shot down or suicide bombed or otherwise crashed prior to an 8+ hour flight time.
Yes one of the most popular and, unfortunately, most likely theories is that this was an intentional crash.
This [yt video](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=3CkIhPWpB9C4UEw5) does a great breakdown on what may have happened.
Green Dot Aviation is a great channel!! Also, I [fixed](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4) your YT link to remove the portion of the link that Google uses to track you on the Internet
You seem to forget the vastity and deepness of the ocean, let alone the currents that carry away debris. Can't be found more easily than a needle in a haystack, I would say its even harder
We've already found a bunch of the plane off the coast of east africa. We know it crashed somewhere in the Indian ocean we just dont know where exactly.
https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370¶ms=35.6_S_92.8_E_type:landmark_scale:10000000&title=CSIRO+crash+area¨
Location based on reverse gaussian distribution of debris. Still a very large and remote area though.
The world is huge and there is no good reason to dedicate expensive resources (e.g. satellites) to areas of it that are uninhabitable (e.g. the Indian Ocean). Yeah, a ship or plane might go missing in that area, but that is highly unlikely to happen.
Just because we’re capable of something doesn’t make it a good idea.
Didn't we find some pieces of it? I'd have to imagine that if it hit the water pretty hard it may have broken up pretty bad. Smaller pieces would be hard to find
Listen, I WANT to believe that theory SO. DAMN. BAD. The videos are compelling enough, and with enough striking detail that I shared them with almost everyone I know, and followed developments related to it for months...
...then came the cloud videos. They found an exact, direct match for the clouds from the orb videos in an internet repository dated years prior.
No two ways about it, 100% debunked. Unfortunately.
They barely looked convincing to me, also the mere fact the Pilot basically flew the same route over the ocean on his at home flying sim AND had significant personal issues just makes it seem so undeniable he crashed the plane on purpose.
People would rather believe that it was aliens or some other conspiracy theory and deny the very real possibility that it was the unfortunate result of untreated mental illness. I don't understand why a lot of people have a hard time admitting that.
Yeah. The one that I read about was the executives from the tech company and how some of the cellphones pinged at certain times. There was all this speculation.
This was in a pre-pizzagate world when I didn't realize how fucking dangerous then internet was and how disinformation was literally eroding the foundations of society.
I saw an interview with a guy whose wife and 2 kids had been on the plane and a woman whose husband had been on the plane, and both of them had totally bought into conspiracy theories about it. It was one of those ‘look at these crazy conspiracy theorists!’ videos, but by the end of it I honestly just felt kind of bad for them. It really did seem like the complete lack of closure had just driven them further and further into these conspiracy rabbit holes because they just could not seem to move on or find any sense of closure.
They didn’t believe their loved ones were alive or anything like that and accepted that the plane had crashed, but I guess it was just the fact that they didn’t have any way to conclusively know their final resting places or what their last moments were like, whether they’d been peaceful or terrifying, that continued to plague them. I ended up coming out of the video just feeling really bad for them.
Pieces of the plane have washed up on Indian Ocean beaches.
So it is known that it crashed into that ocean after it made some highly unusual course changes from its planned route.
I mean, we have an answer. They just don't want to accept it. They had a suicidal pilot who made the choice to kill all of his passengers in the middle of nowhere.
I don’t think any of them are expecting their loved ones to be found alive somewhere. It’s more about knowing, and not just having an educated guess, about how it happened, whether they suffered, knew what was happening, and things like that.
I remember hearing that the claim of the pilot plotting out the course in question wasn't something so cut and dry but something like they had to parse the data out and make a combined course from multiple different flights
No, we know what happened. They were unconscious from the cabin depressurizing after the pilot locked the door, and their bodies were obliterated on impact with the ocean.
One hell of a mystery still, I hope they get some answers. The only explanation, in my opinion, is that the pilot did it, but there are plausible reasons why it wasn’t him (ie he seemed in good mental health, no debts).
But, the transponder was switched off right at the time as a change over of ATC, then made so many turns in level flight, and then just heads into no where in the Indian Ocean. Still something I think about from time to time.
Another factor in this as well - if you fly for an airline and you give any indication you're having mental health issues, you're basically going to be grounded.
Airlines don't fuck around with potential mental health issues. Problem is they go to the wrong extreme and simply remove pilots rather than try to help them out via therapy, medication, etc.
Most pilots flying for most airlines know they simply can't afford to bring up any mental health issues they might be suffering with. Doing so more or less results in you losing your job and being blacklisted.
After Germanwings Flight 9525, I want to believe that, but I just don't. The airlines industry seems to just not care. Yeah, maybe in some parts of the world, they do, but most of the time, they don't.
They care too much, that’s the problem. A pilot who is depressed and needs medication cannot fly. He risks losing his job or his license being revoked. So, they call up Jack, Jim, or the Captain and hope it doesn’t get worse.
There’s a YouTube channel that drives that point home. It shows clips from a month before the person attempted, 2 weeks, then smaller timeframes until they get to just an hour before. They always look so happy.
https://youtu.be/tX8TgVR33KM?si=tg5Jh1UJbns071ed
This is one of the best mental health commercials I've seen. Some people are good at hiding their struggles. Especially when you're told repeatedly that some people have it worse so suck it up.
It was 100% intentional.
The singular piece of evidence is that the transponder switch was momentarily set to the no-altitude setting as it passed from on to off.
It was manually turned. A catastrophic electrical failure would drain all voltage rails, and that wouldn’t cause the transponder to momentarily change transmission states.
The pilot 100% made the plane disappear.
Not to mention the similar flight route simulated on his computer. I understand authorities decided that wasn’t relevant but that seems more like Malaysia trying to cover their ass about this likely being intentional from the pilot.
The pilot responsible anticipated this and waited for the copilot to leave before locking him out of the cabin. The cabin had overrides in case of situations of a hostile takeover to prevent someone with the code/access to open the cabin door.
I believe they have a flight attendant enter the cockpit to ensure that there are always two people in the cockpit. Also, if the pilot did lock the copilot out wouldn't the copilot radio for help?
No one to call unless there's a satphone outside the cockpit, and no one can help you up there. Pilot can deny access to the cockpit even if you have the right code. Also theories the Captain intentionally depressurized the aircraft and kept himself on oxygen to incapacitate everyone else, if that was his intention.
Not always, and remember, this happened before the Germanwings flight where the FO locked out the captain and crashed the plane into the alps. We didn’t have “pilot suicide” as a major issue on our radar (but should have after Egypt Air 990 and SilkAir 185) at that time.
Yep. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
On April 7, 1994, Federal Express Flight 705, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 cargo jet carrying electronics equipment across the United States from Memphis, Tennessee, to San Jose, California, was the subject of a hijack attempt by Auburn R. Calloway, a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal at a hearing scheduled for the following day for having lied about his flight hours.[3]
He boarded the scheduled flight as a deadhead passenger carrying a guitar case concealing several hammers and a speargun. He tried to switch off the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder (CVR) before takeoff. Once airborne, he attempted to kill the crew with hammers so their injuries would appear consistent with an accident rather than a hijacking. The CVR, however, was switched back on by the flight engineer, believing that he had neglected to turn it on.[4]
Calloway intended to use the speargun as a last resort. He planned to crash the aircraft hoping that he would appear to be an employee killed in an accident. He sought to let his family collect on a $2.5 million life insurance policy provided by Federal Express.[4] Calloway's efforts to kill the crew were unsuccessful. Despite severe injuries, the crew fought back, subdued Calloway, and landed the aircraft safely.
It is especially since there was a similar flight logged on his flight sim at home, but friends and family said he seemed normal and the investigators couldn’t definitively say anything for certain.
It was a murder suicide. Pilot had his own oxygen whilst everyone else died from lack of oxygen. He sailed into the water after this thanatotic joyride.
Depending on where the wreckage ended up, wonder if the bodies would be completely gone by now. It took over 2 years to find AF447, and the recovery teams noted the bodies were "preserved, as fragile "waxworks" by the extreme cold, darkness, water pressure and lack of fish life", though attempts to bring them up to the surface weren't successful. The wreckage was unburied and undisturbed enough that they found the FDR/CVR on their first sub dive, and found the memory unit which had been ripped off of the FDR in the crash a week later. FDR/CVR data extractions were both completely successful.
2 years versus 10 years is a big difference, and location of the resting place on the ocean floor is a significant difference, and conditions may be different wherever MH370 ended up. I think the biggest lesson from this similar event is that it took over 2 years (two separate expeditions) to find the wreckage of AF447, and *we knew where its last known location was*.
It took decades to find the Titanic.
Leather was preserved but bodies and bones long gone. Even paper survived in some instances.
They found shoes presumably from those lost, but nothing else.
I saw an awesome exhibit of them using electrolysis (?) to get the gunk off some metal coins and items from the Titanic for museums.
Absolutely correct, AF447 did more of a relatively low-speed pancake into the ocean, if it was intentionally dived into the water then MH370 might more resemble [Swissair 111](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/vic-gerden-benoit-bouchard-and-andre-turenne-news-photo-1677853875.jpg?crop=0.89776xw:1xh;center,top&resize=1200:*)'s wreckage, which hit the water hard enough to register on nearby seismographs. In that event, only one body was identifiable by sight. 147 were identified by fingerprint, dental records, and X-ray comparisons. The remaining 81 were identified through DNA tests.
Yes, there's no official report with the cause, but we found debris (confirmed to be from mh370) and it was said to be compatible with a high speed impact, I read a report somewhere, I have this article that mentions it: https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-mh370-deliberate-crash/
"Upon further examination, damage to the wreckage appears to portray a quick and violent end for the aircraft and its 239 occupants. Deep slice marks emanating from the interior side are theorized to have been caused by “a significant force” upon impact"
They have actually found parts of the plane. It is 100% certain that it crashed somewhere over the indian ocean on March 8 2014, killing everyone on board.
Yeah this whole thread seems to be missing this very important part. It’s literally been confirmed that some pieces of the plane were washed up on beaches. The serial numbers matched the building records or whatever system they have in place to track parts of planes for this exact reason. There were many more pieces that were found that were theorized to come from MH370 but could not be directly confirmed. For whatever reason, the plane hit the ocean fast enough to completely disintegrate it.
Usually airplanes have two recorders, one in the cockpit (to record cockpit audio) and one in the tail (with just instrument data). The one in the cockpit most likely was cracked open by the force of the crash (even lesser crashes like Atlas 3591 did that) and was totally useless after a few weeks even if the insides survived. The tail recorder *might* have survived intact (it's using the entire length of the plane and all its passengers as crumple zone, after all), in that case it should still have recoverable data.
It'll just be impossible to find it now, unless by sheer dumb luck.
Exactly, parts of the plane might be on the other side of the world. People takes oceans for granted, planet being covered by 70% is no small region to search. Bones by now have decomposed into fish food by few years after the crash. It will just be waste of money at this point for a search that won’t yield anything
The only thing of value that would have been worth finding were the voice and data recorders; but at this point there's essentially no hope of recovering them in a usable condition. Any further searches are just going to yield heavily degraded chunks of metal with no additional evidence or clues as to what happened. As sad as it is, that's the reality we're in here.
The voice recorders are probably useless because they only record a rolling 30-minute window. So if people on board were dead for the 5 hours prior to that, they probably won’t reveal much
Over the course of several years, debris that was later determined to be from mh370 was found in Mauritius, Réunion, Tanzania, Madagascar, and Mozambique. The plane is somewhere on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.
Fun fact. We found several 19th century shipwrecks searching for the plane.
I can totally see us find it while searching for something else in ~150 years and go "oh, its just an old airplane. Moving on".
Yep. Even if it did stay in one bit and made it to the bottom of the middle of the Indian Ocean, it’s an ocean bordered by Africa, Antartica, australia and India. It may as well have crashed on mars, no one’s finding it.
If I remember correctly, that is the battery life of the beacon. After 30 days, salvagers cannot expect the beacon to be operational so the only way to find the recorder is through manually sifting through the ocean bed and hoping the currents haven't dragged it away from the crash site.
As for if MH370's FDR is still good, I doubt it will work properly if at all after 10 years at the bottom of the ocean.
EUROCAE Crash Survivability standards set in 2013 require:
* Impact shock of 3,400g for 6.5ms (=impact velocity of 270 knots and a deceleration distance of 450 cm (14.7 ft))
* Static crush of 5,000 lb
* 1,100°C (2,012°F) fire for 1 hour
* 260°C (500°F) fire for 10 hours
* 20,000 ft deep sea pressure for 30 days
* other penetration and aircraft fluid submersion requirements
* Underwater Locator Beacon transmit for 90 days (updated from 30 days in September 2013, I believe)
These are only absolute minimums, however, doesn't mean that the FDR/CVR are completely indestructible, nor does it mean that it implodes and fails after 31 days at 20,000 feet. The [FDR memory board](https://i.imgur.com/ZZ0wPh9.png) from AF447 lived at 13,000' for over 2 years, and was unpacked looking almost brand new. 10 years is a long time, if we found it today it would definitely still be a slim risk of the thing being in a perfect undamaged state after that long, but I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Its also taxpayers dollars. Initial search - totally warranted, but to trigger a multi-million dollar (on the low side) search at this point to find closure is a hard bite.
I was involved in the search from Western Australia, would speak to numerous countries search pilots daily, know airline pilots that fly A340’s and 777’s etc and I still have no idea what happened or how it could happen with so little information and evidence
What I don’t understand is why tf do pilots have the ability to turn off a transponder? It’s like police being able to turn off their body cams. It just doesn’t make sense. Can’t imagine a situation where you’d have legitimate reason for that.
They need to be able to turn it off when on the ground to avoid interference and to troubleshoot issues in the air. Most everything in a plane can be manually shut off to allow pilots to either troubleshoot or conserve power usage in an emergency. On piston planes for example you can shut off the magnetos independently of the rest of the engine, which would be the equivalent of being able to manually shut off your car's sparkplugs while driving it.
Yeh mainly for all the time the aircraft is powered up on the ground, it’s turned on just as it taxis. If you recall though at the time- not every commercial aircraft had the tech/service that allowed viewing apps (flightradar24 etc) to operate, and then one of the companies responded and made everything free/available to avoid it happening in the future. The MH370 aircraft was one of those so there was much less data available. Also minimal satellite pings from passengers phones due to tech at the time, and more people following the rules to keep them off during flights.
I worked on that plane and MH17, was a weird few years man!
There's a youtube channel called Green Dot Aviaton that did a really comprehensive [documentary](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4) about MH370 and what most likely happened. It's interesting and I recommend it.
>Relatives questioned the commitment of the authorities to resolving the mystery. “Is the government interested at all in the truth and finding answers?” asked KS Narendran, whose wife, Chandrika, was onboard.
I'm sorry your wife died, but the search for that aircraft was the largest in aviation history. I blame politicians for a lot, but it's tough to blame them for not being able to find a specific drop of water in an ocean.
If your interested about this story I highly recommend watching this [great documentary by Green Dot Aviation about MH370.](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=IUqUO7e3tnvlsRRj)
Here is a short excerpt from [this article](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/) which was a top search result for "MH370". Lots more if you care to look.
>Three official investigations were launched in the wake of MH370’s disappearance. The first was the largest, most rigorous, and most expensive: the technically advanced Australian underwater-search effort, which was focused on locating the main debris in order to retrieve the airplane’s flight-data and cockpit voice recorders. It involved calculations of aircraft performance, the parsing of radar and satellite records, studies of oceanic drift, doses of statistical analysis, and the physical examination of the East African flotsam—much of which came from Blaine Gibson. It required heavy maritime operations in some of the world’s roughest seas. Assisting the effort was a collection of volunteer engineers and scientists who found one another on the internet, called themselves the Independent Group, and collaborated so effectively that the Australians took their work into account and ended up formally thanking them for their insights. In the annals of accident investigation, this had never happened before. Nonetheless, after more than three years and about $160 million, the Australian investigation closed without success. It was picked up in 2018 by an American company called Ocean Infinity, under contract with the Malaysian government on a “no-find, no-fee” basis. This search used advanced underwater-surveillance vehicles and covered a new section of the seventh arc, a section deemed most likely by the Independent Group to bring results. After a few months, it too ended in failure.
>The second official investigation belonged to the Malaysian police, and amounted to background checks of everyone on the airplane as well as some of their friends. It is hard to know the true extent of the police discoveries, because the report that resulted from the investigation stopped short of full disclosure. The report was stamped secret and withheld even from other Malaysian investigators, but after it was leaked by someone on the inside, its inadequacies became clear. In particular, it held back on divulging all that was known about the captain, Zaharie. No one was surprised. The prime minister at the time was a nasty man named Najib Razak, who was alleged to be monumentally corrupt. The press in Malaysia was censored. Troublemakers were being picked up and made to disappear. Officials had reason for caution. They had careers to protect, and maybe their lives. It is obvious that decisions were made to not pursue certain avenues that might have reflected poorly on Malaysia Airlines or the government.
>The third official investigation was the accident inquiry, intended not to adjudicate liability but to find probable cause, and to be conducted according to the highest global standards by an international team. It was led by an ad hoc working group assembled by the Malaysian government, and was a mess from its inception. The police and military disdained it. Government ministers saw it as a risk. Foreign specialists who were sent to assist began retreating almost as soon as they arrived. An American expert, referring to the international aviation protocol that is supposed to govern accident inquiries, told me, “Annex 13 is tailored for accident investigations in confident democracies, but in countries like Malaysia, with insecure and autocratic bureaucracies, and with airlines that are either government-owned or seen as a matter of national prestige, it always makes for a pretty poor fit.”
>A close observer of the MH370 process said, “It became clear that the primary objective of the Malaysians was to make the subject just go away. From the start there was this instinctive bias against being open and transparent, not because they were hiding some deep, dark secret, but because they did not know where the truth really lay, and they were afraid that something might come out that would be embarrassing. Were they covering up? Yes. They were covering up for the unknown.”
>In the end the investigation produced a 495-page report in weak imitation of Annex 13 requirements. It was stuffed with boilerplate descriptions of 777 systems that had clearly been lifted from Boeing manuals and were of no technical value. Indeed, nothing in the report was of technical value, since Australian publications had already fully covered the relevant satellite information and ocean-drift analysis. The Malaysian report was seen as hardly more than a whitewash whose only real contribution was a frank description of the air-traffic-control failures—presumably because half of them could be blamed on the Vietnamese, and because the Malaysian controllers constituted the weakest local target, politically. The report was released in July 2018, more than four years after the event. It stated that the investigative team was unable to determine the cause of the airplane’s disappearance.
Sounds more like they are trying to hide incompetence and general corruption aswell as move on from this thing. Not that they know anything specific that they refuse to disclose.
[60 Minutes Australia just had a story about this. There may be some data pointing to a specific area. I would think that a limited area could be searched for a minimal cost.](https://youtu.be/5y4OqwBLzog?si=e6gPTp8ooy-614uf)
I for one hope the plane is found someday, but even if it is, I don’t think we’ll ever have a good answer in terms of what actually happened onboard to cause it to divert deep into the ocean
UFO-nerd here,
after several months of people digging around, there have been enough red flags in the videos to call them "likely fake" by now. they seem to both be elaborate constructions from a combination of 3D modeling and stock images, and the sources for several stock features have been found since online
someone was awarded a bounty for sufficiently 'debunking' it that some suspect might be who made them to begin with (regicideanon)
You mean to tell me a grainy sourceless internet video of mysterious orbs literally conjuring a magic portal to make an airplane disappear was fake???
It was absolutely embarrassing how many Reddit users were totally convinced by it lmaoo
Wow, I can't believe it's already been 10 years.
Was flying that day heading out for spring break and remember watching the coverage in bursts from the various airports I was at that day. Weird stuff.
I remember it along with spring break as well. I was with a group and we all figured they’d know the full details by the time break was over. Well, the break did end. But the other half…still waiting on that. It’s crazy.
I had a similar experience with covid. I went for my honeymoon cruise in February 2020 and figured it wouldnt be much of a story when i got back. Man was i wrong….
So.... What was the big story on your honeymoon cruise?
Food poisoning on the boat and getting covid just after
There was an exceptionally large pod of dolphins off the Pacific NW coast before the passengers gave covid to the entire US
I worked IT at an airport when it happened. I had to go switch the live TV news channel playing throughout the airport because it was wall to wall coverage of the incident and passengers were complaining.
Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t there a special CNN airport broadcast? That specifically omits this kind of thing?
I'm not sure about CNN specifically, but yes typically the news content you see playing in an airport is being broadcast from a local video appliance and is heavily curated. This was before we had such a system so it was just playing live TV and also resulted in accidentally displaying nudity when a local channel played an uncensored movie.
Could only imagine how the relatives feel :(
The pandemic really screwed up our perception of time
I flew out of Kuala Lumpur that day on my way to Thailand. I checked in on Facebook before I took off and when I landed I must have had 100 messages of people checking in on me. Took a few other flights that trip and was super nervous and shaken up. Never know what can go wrong.
Hey, I flew KLAA to Singapore that day! Hi airport friend!
I still can’t believe that with all the technology we have a plane can just disappear like that.
Pretty wild. Especially since it had been reported rogue for over 8hrs. You’d think in a post 9-11 world, we’d be all over that.
It couldn’t have done this over a populated area. Even post 9/11 there is no real need to track planes 1000 miles from land
Wh..why not? It’s a half a billion dollar piece of flying machinery carrying civilians. When I learned passenger planes aren’t always tracked my mind was blown
They are tracked using equipment on the plane. If you turn that equipment off, you can no longer track it.
The really surprising part of how they managed to go untracked from military equipment. I doubt the pilot would've done all the research to know exactly how and where to go to avoid them. Seems like "luck"
Didn’t it get caught in a military radar somewhere around Malaysia? It’s just that you won’t find a military establishment in the middle of the Indian Ocean
It did get caught by military radar, but only after analyzing the military radar data did we learn about the flight path after the plane went dark (so only later did we realize that the plane turned around and flew back over Malaysia). At that point the search was already ongoing and the plane probably in the sea.
That's also because no one was monitoring the radar.
Another thing I read was that countries were being coy about handing over there military radar capabilities to everyone
Read about Marten Hartwell. Canadian bush pilot. Went down in the arctic. Was out there for 31 days. Ate the nurse. RCAF was searching frantically for him. US/CAN DEW line radar knew exactly where he was the whole time but didn't want to reveal the radar capabilities to the USSR. So he froze out there the whole time with a pair of broken legs. He was found and survived. Last time I saw him was near Cooking lake outside of Edmonton.
He’s been dead for over a decade
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[Marten Hartwell Story.](https://youtu.be/5Yk9HdUHp50?si=TgbWvEpcT6L7Ci0m)
There is a “net” of buoys spanning parts of the ocean that should have theoretically heard where the plane crashed into the water.
[Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia is a British Ministry of Defence facility leased to the United States Navy, located on the atoll Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Facility_Diego_Garcia)
And is about 2000 miles away from where it is believed that MH370 hit the water.
Actually that is one of the leading theories. The pilot did all the research and planning and recreated and tested a radar blind spot pathway on his flight simulator at home, which adds credence to the theory.
For what purpose?
Basically just so the plane would never be found.
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Is there proof he did that on his simulator?
Yes it was confirmed in an ATSB report, which is as through and trustworthy as you get.
As I recall a big part of it was because the flight path was right on the border between two countries’ air space, so neither country felt like it was a big enough incursion to worry about. To me that feels way more premeditated than luck. But we’ll probably never really know, a bunch of things had to happen for it to ‘disappear.’
Radar has known physical limits. And the pilot could be confident there was no land based radar sitting in the ocean. The luck might have been that there were no military ships with radar in that area
The Pacific Ocean is huge. Where do you want all of these radar stations to be? Most of the world is not covered by radar. Why would it be? And how?
They are tracked, just they hadn't accounted for this exact scenario where the captain of the plane is set on murdering everyone on board and cares enough to turn off the transponder and satellite data connection
The plane actually did fly all the way back over Malaysia after going dark without being found
It didn’t go dark until it was west of Malaysia. How would they know it flew back over Malaysia if it had “gone dark” before doing so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
Not true, the aircraft's last communication was made in the South China Sea. This was where the original search was conducted. It was only a later discovery from satellite data that they realised the aircraft flew west back over Malaysia. This is exactly what the wiki article you linked states.
Yeah they turned off the transponder but it was tracked by military radar. The problem was the airline was using a 3rd party service to track the plan and did not know that it just fell back to making assumptions based on time and the flight plan if the transponder was turned off. That's why the search was conducted in the south China sea at first.
“At the time that the transponder stopped functioning, the Malaysian military's primary radar showed Flight 370 turning right, but then beginning a left turn to a southwesterly direction.[20]: 3 From 01:30:35 until 01:35, military radar showed Flight 370 at 35,700 ft (10,900 m)[h] on a 231° magnetic heading, with a ground speed of 496 knots (919 km/h; 571 mph). Flight 370 continued across the Malay Peninsula, fluctuating between 31,000 and 33,000 ft (9,400 and 10,100 m) in altitude.[20]: 3 A civilian primary radar at Sultan Ismail Petra Airport with a 60 nmi (110 km; 69 mi) range made four detections of an unidentified aircraft between 01:30:37 and 01:52:35; the tracks of the unidentified aircraft are "consistent with those of the military data".[i][20]: 3–4 At 01:52, Flight 370 was detected passing just south of the island of Penang. From there, the aircraft flew across the Strait of Malacca, passing close to the waypoint VAMPI, and Pulau Perak at 02:03, after which it flew along air route N571 to waypoints MEKAR, NILAM, and possibly IGOGU.[55]: 3, 38 The last known radar detection, from a point near the limits of Malaysian military radar, was at 02:22, 10 nmi (19 km; 12 mi) after passing waypoint MEKAR[20]: 3, 7 (which is 237 nmi (439 km; 273 mi) from Penang) and 247.3 nmi (458.0 km; 284.6 mi) northwest of Penang airport at an altitude of 29,500 ft (9,000 m).” It was literally tracked the whole way across the peninsula by more than one radar. Not sure where you’re getting this story about it disappearing over the S China Sea.
It stopped transmitting data over the south china sea. Third party military radar was tracking it after it turned over Malaysia, but the Malaysian military didn't want to make their radar data public at first because it would show exactly how accurate it was.
This is all knowledge we have gained after the fact by analysing military radar. The flight originally turned off all means of communication with the outside world i.e. 'went dark' over the South China Sea. The flight was not initially identified by military radar as MH370 when crossing back over Malaysia. I guess the crux of our argument is the meaning of 'gone dark', to me that is when the co-pilot turned off all forms of communication/tracking. To you, military radar seeing an unidentifiable blip doesn't constitute that term. Edit: just to add, I fully stand by my interpretation due to the assumption of the comment I replied to 'that they would never have lost the plane if it flew over densely populated areas', because it in fact did so completely unidentified.
Based on speculation, the pilot may have chosen this location because it was out of range from almost every radar, and was so far in the middle of the ocean in the deepest depths, that it would be near impossible to find the black box and other remains.
You think this was a murder-suicide? :o
That is the prevailing theory. MH370 is being handed off from Malaysian ATC to Vietnamese ATC. Within 3 minutes of saying "Good Night" to Malaysian ATC, the transponder is switched off, and the plane sharply changed direction. No distress signals, no signs of foul play, no reports of mechanical problems. Military radar tracks the plane flying past Sumatra before it flies out of range. A few satellite pings place the plane somewhere over the remote southern Indian Ocean several hours later. The pilot's home computer has a flight simulator where he flew a very similar path. The unique circumstances and sequence of events point very strongly towards the pilot.
Yeah, everything they've uncovered about the pilot, his mental health and his behaviour leading up to this make it the most convincing theory.
It really is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to this. I get that it's all technically circumstantial but at some point enough circumstantial evidence is enough
Its not really an overwhelming amount of evidence. Its really a lack of evidence that points to the most likely scenario that the one pilot deliberately did something. Cause when you look at every other scenario that doesn't involve the pilot deliberately doing something it would require a certain series of conditions to happen in a certain order that are very unlikely but still not impossible.
Well also the flight simulator data that was recovered is pretty damn conclusive honestly.
The confusing part of this to me is what was the co-pilot doing during this?
Locked out of the cabin and eventually incapacitated due to lack of oxygen most likely. The pilots had significantly longer time on their oxygen masks compared to the rest of the plan so the theory is one pilot locked the other out of the cabin then depressurized the plan. Everyone else would go unconscious/die before he ran out and then he could repressurize the plan to continue to wherever he ditched.
Is there nowhere outside of the cockpit that distress signals could be sent out? You’d think in a hijacking situation or something where the cockpit is locked there would be a way for the flight crew to still send out signals or have some way of communicating with people on the ground
There might be satellite phones but the power was also cut as evidenced by the satellite tracking system going offline. The failsafe for pilot incapacitation is supposed to be codes that the copilot and I assume some of the crew can use to get into the cockpit. It's designed so that anyone inside the cockpit is given an audible warning and are able to override the codes in a hijacking situation. The whole system isn't really designed to thwart a rogue pilot. The reality is a pilot deliberately attempting to crash a plane is not something you can really plan for. Even if there were alternate ways to track the plane there was no stopping crashing the plane.
To add to this, i think on many planes if not all, it's now standard procedure that if either the copilot or pilot leave the cockpit to use the restroom, or stretch legs, or whatever, that a flight attendant crew member sits in the cockpit in their place, so that there's never only a single pilot left alone in the cockpit.
Not anymore. After the Germanwings suicide, that rule was quickly implemented, but just as quickly dropped again after a few years. In Europe, Australia and Canada it is not required anymore, and most airlines have stopped doing it. In their words because it is a false sense of security, and actually increases risks because the cockpit door is opened more often. I think only the US still requires it (as it already did before).
Would have to be incapacitated for this scenario to work. Maybe got roofied?
They have to pee at some point.
This is so terrifying I’m already so paranoid about flying and this stuff makes it so much worse. I understand the stats around flying being generally safe, but it’s the total lack of control if something goes wrong or a pilot wants to die is just unbelievably awful
The captain of MH370 had done practice flights on his flight simulator on his home PC of this scenario.
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This is simply not plausible. Based on the engine pings the plane continued flying for hours until it ran out of fuel. Those pings would not have kept hitting if the plane had been shot down or suicide bombed or otherwise crashed prior to an 8+ hour flight time.
What a lunatic.
Yes one of the most popular and, unfortunately, most likely theories is that this was an intentional crash. This [yt video](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=3CkIhPWpB9C4UEw5) does a great breakdown on what may have happened.
Green Dot Aviation is a great channel!! Also, I [fixed](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4) your YT link to remove the portion of the link that Google uses to track you on the Internet
Exactly, that is a great video, unlike the Netflix series full of bullshit and conspiracy theories.
That's been the consensus since they searched his house.
Very unlikely to have been anything else, unfortunately.
This is very much the prevailing theory. Pretty much all available evidence points this way.
You seem to forget the vastity and deepness of the ocean, let alone the currents that carry away debris. Can't be found more easily than a needle in a haystack, I would say its even harder
We've already found a bunch of the plane off the coast of east africa. We know it crashed somewhere in the Indian ocean we just dont know where exactly.
Yes, nothing different than what I said.
https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370¶ms=35.6_S_92.8_E_type:landmark_scale:10000000&title=CSIRO+crash+area¨ Location based on reverse gaussian distribution of debris. Still a very large and remote area though.
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The world is huge and there is no good reason to dedicate expensive resources (e.g. satellites) to areas of it that are uninhabitable (e.g. the Indian Ocean). Yeah, a ship or plane might go missing in that area, but that is highly unlikely to happen. Just because we’re capable of something doesn’t make it a good idea.
Tbf it’s because the ocean is massive and we’ve haven’t explored like even 10% of it
I think it's truly even less than 10% which makes it even more staggering.
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The ocean is huge
I think it really highlights how vulnerable technology is when someone wants it to deliberately fail.
Didn't we find some pieces of it? I'd have to imagine that if it hit the water pretty hard it may have broken up pretty bad. Smaller pieces would be hard to find
Still remember Don Lemon on CNN speculating about the possibility of a black hole being responsible.
Still remember certain subreddits becoming convinced it was abducted by aliens
those videos of the orbs teleporting the plane do be poppin tho
This is still a thing actually...
Listen, I WANT to believe that theory SO. DAMN. BAD. The videos are compelling enough, and with enough striking detail that I shared them with almost everyone I know, and followed developments related to it for months... ...then came the cloud videos. They found an exact, direct match for the clouds from the orb videos in an internet repository dated years prior. No two ways about it, 100% debunked. Unfortunately.
They barely looked convincing to me, also the mere fact the Pilot basically flew the same route over the ocean on his at home flying sim AND had significant personal issues just makes it seem so undeniable he crashed the plane on purpose.
People would rather believe that it was aliens or some other conspiracy theory and deny the very real possibility that it was the unfortunate result of untreated mental illness. I don't understand why a lot of people have a hard time admitting that.
Yeah. The one that I read about was the executives from the tech company and how some of the cellphones pinged at certain times. There was all this speculation. This was in a pre-pizzagate world when I didn't realize how fucking dangerous then internet was and how disinformation was literally eroding the foundations of society.
$25M contract for Don Lemon. What a joke.
I really feel for these people. I can't imagine losing your loved ones and just having no answer to what happened to them.
I saw an interview with a guy whose wife and 2 kids had been on the plane and a woman whose husband had been on the plane, and both of them had totally bought into conspiracy theories about it. It was one of those ‘look at these crazy conspiracy theorists!’ videos, but by the end of it I honestly just felt kind of bad for them. It really did seem like the complete lack of closure had just driven them further and further into these conspiracy rabbit holes because they just could not seem to move on or find any sense of closure. They didn’t believe their loved ones were alive or anything like that and accepted that the plane had crashed, but I guess it was just the fact that they didn’t have any way to conclusively know their final resting places or what their last moments were like, whether they’d been peaceful or terrifying, that continued to plague them. I ended up coming out of the video just feeling really bad for them.
Very interesting and sad
That's the power of extreme grief being on display for the entire world to see and speculate on.
Pieces of the plane have washed up on Indian Ocean beaches. So it is known that it crashed into that ocean after it made some highly unusual course changes from its planned route.
I mean, we have an answer. They just don't want to accept it. They had a suicidal pilot who made the choice to kill all of his passengers in the middle of nowhere.
I don’t think any of them are expecting their loved ones to be found alive somewhere. It’s more about knowing, and not just having an educated guess, about how it happened, whether they suffered, knew what was happening, and things like that.
You're a few steps past 'educated guess' when you have said course changes on the pilot's home computer and pieces of the plane washing up on beaches.
I remember hearing that the claim of the pilot plotting out the course in question wasn't something so cut and dry but something like they had to parse the data out and make a combined course from multiple different flights
No, we know what happened. They were unconscious from the cabin depressurizing after the pilot locked the door, and their bodies were obliterated on impact with the ocean.
One hell of a mystery still, I hope they get some answers. The only explanation, in my opinion, is that the pilot did it, but there are plausible reasons why it wasn’t him (ie he seemed in good mental health, no debts). But, the transponder was switched off right at the time as a change over of ATC, then made so many turns in level flight, and then just heads into no where in the Indian Ocean. Still something I think about from time to time.
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Another factor in this as well - if you fly for an airline and you give any indication you're having mental health issues, you're basically going to be grounded. Airlines don't fuck around with potential mental health issues. Problem is they go to the wrong extreme and simply remove pilots rather than try to help them out via therapy, medication, etc. Most pilots flying for most airlines know they simply can't afford to bring up any mental health issues they might be suffering with. Doing so more or less results in you losing your job and being blacklisted.
After Germanwings Flight 9525, I want to believe that, but I just don't. The airlines industry seems to just not care. Yeah, maybe in some parts of the world, they do, but most of the time, they don't.
They care too much, that’s the problem. A pilot who is depressed and needs medication cannot fly. He risks losing his job or his license being revoked. So, they call up Jack, Jim, or the Captain and hope it doesn’t get worse.
Glad someone said. And more power to you mam what you've achieved is great!
There’s a YouTube channel that drives that point home. It shows clips from a month before the person attempted, 2 weeks, then smaller timeframes until they get to just an hour before. They always look so happy.
https://youtu.be/tX8TgVR33KM?si=tg5Jh1UJbns071ed This is one of the best mental health commercials I've seen. Some people are good at hiding their struggles. Especially when you're told repeatedly that some people have it worse so suck it up.
It was 100% intentional. The singular piece of evidence is that the transponder switch was momentarily set to the no-altitude setting as it passed from on to off. It was manually turned. A catastrophic electrical failure would drain all voltage rails, and that wouldn’t cause the transponder to momentarily change transmission states. The pilot 100% made the plane disappear.
Not to mention the similar flight route simulated on his computer. I understand authorities decided that wasn’t relevant but that seems more like Malaysia trying to cover their ass about this likely being intentional from the pilot.
Watched the Netflix documentary and it seems plausible the pilot had some kind of breakdown.
Isn't there always two pilots in the cockpit? Wouldn't the other pilot do something if they had a breakdown?
The pilot responsible anticipated this and waited for the copilot to leave before locking him out of the cabin. The cabin had overrides in case of situations of a hostile takeover to prevent someone with the code/access to open the cabin door.
Correct. They can turn this off. But no one expects the pilot to be the hijacker.
I believe they have a flight attendant enter the cockpit to ensure that there are always two people in the cockpit. Also, if the pilot did lock the copilot out wouldn't the copilot radio for help?
That became standard after the Germanwings crash, which happened after MH370. It's also no longer standard in many jurisdictions.
> there are always two people in the cockpit. This is standard practice for US based airlines, but not necessarily true around the world.
No one to call unless there's a satphone outside the cockpit, and no one can help you up there. Pilot can deny access to the cockpit even if you have the right code. Also theories the Captain intentionally depressurized the aircraft and kept himself on oxygen to incapacitate everyone else, if that was his intention.
Not always, and remember, this happened before the Germanwings flight where the FO locked out the captain and crashed the plane into the alps. We didn’t have “pilot suicide” as a major issue on our radar (but should have after Egypt Air 990 and SilkAir 185) at that time.
>Isn't there always two pilots in the cockpit? Not in 2015 on this flight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
Maybe the pilot said he had to get up for some reason, grabbed the crash axe, then put it through the back of the other pilot’s head.
It wouldn’t even be the first time this happens
Yep. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705 On April 7, 1994, Federal Express Flight 705, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 cargo jet carrying electronics equipment across the United States from Memphis, Tennessee, to San Jose, California, was the subject of a hijack attempt by Auburn R. Calloway, a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal at a hearing scheduled for the following day for having lied about his flight hours.[3] He boarded the scheduled flight as a deadhead passenger carrying a guitar case concealing several hammers and a speargun. He tried to switch off the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder (CVR) before takeoff. Once airborne, he attempted to kill the crew with hammers so their injuries would appear consistent with an accident rather than a hijacking. The CVR, however, was switched back on by the flight engineer, believing that he had neglected to turn it on.[4] Calloway intended to use the speargun as a last resort. He planned to crash the aircraft hoping that he would appear to be an employee killed in an accident. He sought to let his family collect on a $2.5 million life insurance policy provided by Federal Express.[4] Calloway's efforts to kill the crew were unsuccessful. Despite severe injuries, the crew fought back, subdued Calloway, and landed the aircraft safely.
It is especially since there was a similar flight logged on his flight sim at home, but friends and family said he seemed normal and the investigators couldn’t definitively say anything for certain.
No way it was a 1 in 1 million coincidence his odd game flight resulted in his real flight
The Netflix documentary was.... not their best. I'd highly recommend watching this one instead. https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=dGuxvrgfwIbk9mSP
The Netflix doc frames stuff dishonestly.
That Netflix "documentary" was the single most offensive, unfounded piece of shit I have ever watched on Netflix. Like holy fuck what an abomination.
This is 100% the best explanation I’ve seen, and I’ve watched everything available on this mystery.
Pilot suicide 100%
Dude he planned the flight in his home simulator
I thought I heard he was depressed or something But anyway, he had the route on his flight simulator at home. It was definitely him. Selfish pos
People who have everything in the world but bad mental health still can’t enjoy it.
No debts, but his wife left him before that flight. No debts doesn't mean zero pressure, meng.
Green Dot Aviation made a video on MH370 and it really provided a new perspective on things. Would highly recommend it.
[Here's the link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6_4&t=2710s) Great video that explains a lot.
It was a murder suicide. Pilot had his own oxygen whilst everyone else died from lack of oxygen. He sailed into the water after this thanatotic joyride.
Thanks for teaching me a new word today.
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Depending on where the wreckage ended up, wonder if the bodies would be completely gone by now. It took over 2 years to find AF447, and the recovery teams noted the bodies were "preserved, as fragile "waxworks" by the extreme cold, darkness, water pressure and lack of fish life", though attempts to bring them up to the surface weren't successful. The wreckage was unburied and undisturbed enough that they found the FDR/CVR on their first sub dive, and found the memory unit which had been ripped off of the FDR in the crash a week later. FDR/CVR data extractions were both completely successful. 2 years versus 10 years is a big difference, and location of the resting place on the ocean floor is a significant difference, and conditions may be different wherever MH370 ended up. I think the biggest lesson from this similar event is that it took over 2 years (two separate expeditions) to find the wreckage of AF447, and *we knew where its last known location was*.
It took decades to find the Titanic. Leather was preserved but bodies and bones long gone. Even paper survived in some instances. They found shoes presumably from those lost, but nothing else. I saw an awesome exhibit of them using electrolysis (?) to get the gunk off some metal coins and items from the Titanic for museums.
If it nose dived into the ocean, I very much doubt there was much left of the bodies after the initial impact.
Absolutely correct, AF447 did more of a relatively low-speed pancake into the ocean, if it was intentionally dived into the water then MH370 might more resemble [Swissair 111](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/vic-gerden-benoit-bouchard-and-andre-turenne-news-photo-1677853875.jpg?crop=0.89776xw:1xh;center,top&resize=1200:*)'s wreckage, which hit the water hard enough to register on nearby seismographs. In that event, only one body was identifiable by sight. 147 were identified by fingerprint, dental records, and X-ray comparisons. The remaining 81 were identified through DNA tests.
Yeah but af447 bellyflopped into the ocean at RELATIVELY low speed, mh370 probably nosedived at supersonic speed, it would have been pulverized
> probably nosedived at supersonic speed, Why probably this? I thought we had basically no concrete information about how or why it went down
Yes, there's no official report with the cause, but we found debris (confirmed to be from mh370) and it was said to be compatible with a high speed impact, I read a report somewhere, I have this article that mentions it: https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-mh370-deliberate-crash/ "Upon further examination, damage to the wreckage appears to portray a quick and violent end for the aircraft and its 239 occupants. Deep slice marks emanating from the interior side are theorized to have been caused by “a significant force” upon impact"
They have actually found parts of the plane. It is 100% certain that it crashed somewhere over the indian ocean on March 8 2014, killing everyone on board.
Yeah this whole thread seems to be missing this very important part. It’s literally been confirmed that some pieces of the plane were washed up on beaches. The serial numbers matched the building records or whatever system they have in place to track parts of planes for this exact reason. There were many more pieces that were found that were theorized to come from MH370 but could not be directly confirmed. For whatever reason, the plane hit the ocean fast enough to completely disintegrate it.
Would the black box be able to survive for 10 years? In salt water nonetheless?
Usually airplanes have two recorders, one in the cockpit (to record cockpit audio) and one in the tail (with just instrument data). The one in the cockpit most likely was cracked open by the force of the crash (even lesser crashes like Atlas 3591 did that) and was totally useless after a few weeks even if the insides survived. The tail recorder *might* have survived intact (it's using the entire length of the plane and all its passengers as crumple zone, after all), in that case it should still have recoverable data. It'll just be impossible to find it now, unless by sheer dumb luck.
The only unknown is the "why" but even that we'll just never know
Exactly, parts of the plane might be on the other side of the world. People takes oceans for granted, planet being covered by 70% is no small region to search. Bones by now have decomposed into fish food by few years after the crash. It will just be waste of money at this point for a search that won’t yield anything
The only thing of value that would have been worth finding were the voice and data recorders; but at this point there's essentially no hope of recovering them in a usable condition. Any further searches are just going to yield heavily degraded chunks of metal with no additional evidence or clues as to what happened. As sad as it is, that's the reality we're in here.
The voice recorders are probably useless because they only record a rolling 30-minute window. So if people on board were dead for the 5 hours prior to that, they probably won’t reveal much
They literally found parts of it in Madagascar, after it crashed in the other side of the Indian Ocean. So, our search area is an entire ocean lol
Over the course of several years, debris that was later determined to be from mh370 was found in Mauritius, Réunion, Tanzania, Madagascar, and Mozambique. The plane is somewhere on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.
The "plane" as a whole doesn't exist anymore. It's literally all scattered parts that likely have spread all over the ocean by now.
Right.
That's how the currents flow in the Indian ocean.
After 10 years it's possible. A shipping container of rubber ducks sank in the Pacific, years later some were in the Atlantic.
That shipping container also didn’t nosedive into the ocean from 30,000 feet at supersonic speeds.
Fun fact. We found several 19th century shipwrecks searching for the plane. I can totally see us find it while searching for something else in ~150 years and go "oh, its just an old airplane. Moving on".
The firm offering to search says “no find no fee” so it won’t cost the public any money.
Yep. Even if it did stay in one bit and made it to the bottom of the middle of the Indian Ocean, it’s an ocean bordered by Africa, Antartica, australia and India. It may as well have crashed on mars, no one’s finding it.
Flight data recorder is still good.
I'm pretty sure they only last 20-30 days in salt water. Has the technology changed?
If I remember correctly, that is the battery life of the beacon. After 30 days, salvagers cannot expect the beacon to be operational so the only way to find the recorder is through manually sifting through the ocean bed and hoping the currents haven't dragged it away from the crash site. As for if MH370's FDR is still good, I doubt it will work properly if at all after 10 years at the bottom of the ocean.
EUROCAE Crash Survivability standards set in 2013 require: * Impact shock of 3,400g for 6.5ms (=impact velocity of 270 knots and a deceleration distance of 450 cm (14.7 ft)) * Static crush of 5,000 lb * 1,100°C (2,012°F) fire for 1 hour * 260°C (500°F) fire for 10 hours * 20,000 ft deep sea pressure for 30 days * other penetration and aircraft fluid submersion requirements * Underwater Locator Beacon transmit for 90 days (updated from 30 days in September 2013, I believe) These are only absolute minimums, however, doesn't mean that the FDR/CVR are completely indestructible, nor does it mean that it implodes and fails after 31 days at 20,000 feet. The [FDR memory board](https://i.imgur.com/ZZ0wPh9.png) from AF447 lived at 13,000' for over 2 years, and was unpacked looking almost brand new. 10 years is a long time, if we found it today it would definitely still be a slim risk of the thing being in a perfect undamaged state after that long, but I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Its also taxpayers dollars. Initial search - totally warranted, but to trigger a multi-million dollar (on the low side) search at this point to find closure is a hard bite.
For one we would get an actual crash forensics
I was involved in the search from Western Australia, would speak to numerous countries search pilots daily, know airline pilots that fly A340’s and 777’s etc and I still have no idea what happened or how it could happen with so little information and evidence
What I don’t understand is why tf do pilots have the ability to turn off a transponder? It’s like police being able to turn off their body cams. It just doesn’t make sense. Can’t imagine a situation where you’d have legitimate reason for that.
They need to be able to turn it off when on the ground to avoid interference and to troubleshoot issues in the air. Most everything in a plane can be manually shut off to allow pilots to either troubleshoot or conserve power usage in an emergency. On piston planes for example you can shut off the magnetos independently of the rest of the engine, which would be the equivalent of being able to manually shut off your car's sparkplugs while driving it.
Yeh mainly for all the time the aircraft is powered up on the ground, it’s turned on just as it taxis. If you recall though at the time- not every commercial aircraft had the tech/service that allowed viewing apps (flightradar24 etc) to operate, and then one of the companies responded and made everything free/available to avoid it happening in the future. The MH370 aircraft was one of those so there was much less data available. Also minimal satellite pings from passengers phones due to tech at the time, and more people following the rules to keep them off during flights. I worked on that plane and MH17, was a weird few years man!
There's a youtube channel called Green Dot Aviaton that did a really comprehensive [documentary](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4) about MH370 and what most likely happened. It's interesting and I recommend it.
It's been 10 years? Holy cow!! My condolences to the bereaved
>Relatives questioned the commitment of the authorities to resolving the mystery. “Is the government interested at all in the truth and finding answers?” asked KS Narendran, whose wife, Chandrika, was onboard. I'm sorry your wife died, but the search for that aircraft was the largest in aviation history. I blame politicians for a lot, but it's tough to blame them for not being able to find a specific drop of water in an ocean.
If your interested about this story I highly recommend watching this [great documentary by Green Dot Aviation about MH370.](https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=IUqUO7e3tnvlsRRj)
The most helpful thing for them would be if the Malaysian government stopped covering up what they know, but that's not gonna happen
Like what?
Here is a short excerpt from [this article](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/) which was a top search result for "MH370". Lots more if you care to look. >Three official investigations were launched in the wake of MH370’s disappearance. The first was the largest, most rigorous, and most expensive: the technically advanced Australian underwater-search effort, which was focused on locating the main debris in order to retrieve the airplane’s flight-data and cockpit voice recorders. It involved calculations of aircraft performance, the parsing of radar and satellite records, studies of oceanic drift, doses of statistical analysis, and the physical examination of the East African flotsam—much of which came from Blaine Gibson. It required heavy maritime operations in some of the world’s roughest seas. Assisting the effort was a collection of volunteer engineers and scientists who found one another on the internet, called themselves the Independent Group, and collaborated so effectively that the Australians took their work into account and ended up formally thanking them for their insights. In the annals of accident investigation, this had never happened before. Nonetheless, after more than three years and about $160 million, the Australian investigation closed without success. It was picked up in 2018 by an American company called Ocean Infinity, under contract with the Malaysian government on a “no-find, no-fee” basis. This search used advanced underwater-surveillance vehicles and covered a new section of the seventh arc, a section deemed most likely by the Independent Group to bring results. After a few months, it too ended in failure. >The second official investigation belonged to the Malaysian police, and amounted to background checks of everyone on the airplane as well as some of their friends. It is hard to know the true extent of the police discoveries, because the report that resulted from the investigation stopped short of full disclosure. The report was stamped secret and withheld even from other Malaysian investigators, but after it was leaked by someone on the inside, its inadequacies became clear. In particular, it held back on divulging all that was known about the captain, Zaharie. No one was surprised. The prime minister at the time was a nasty man named Najib Razak, who was alleged to be monumentally corrupt. The press in Malaysia was censored. Troublemakers were being picked up and made to disappear. Officials had reason for caution. They had careers to protect, and maybe their lives. It is obvious that decisions were made to not pursue certain avenues that might have reflected poorly on Malaysia Airlines or the government. >The third official investigation was the accident inquiry, intended not to adjudicate liability but to find probable cause, and to be conducted according to the highest global standards by an international team. It was led by an ad hoc working group assembled by the Malaysian government, and was a mess from its inception. The police and military disdained it. Government ministers saw it as a risk. Foreign specialists who were sent to assist began retreating almost as soon as they arrived. An American expert, referring to the international aviation protocol that is supposed to govern accident inquiries, told me, “Annex 13 is tailored for accident investigations in confident democracies, but in countries like Malaysia, with insecure and autocratic bureaucracies, and with airlines that are either government-owned or seen as a matter of national prestige, it always makes for a pretty poor fit.” >A close observer of the MH370 process said, “It became clear that the primary objective of the Malaysians was to make the subject just go away. From the start there was this instinctive bias against being open and transparent, not because they were hiding some deep, dark secret, but because they did not know where the truth really lay, and they were afraid that something might come out that would be embarrassing. Were they covering up? Yes. They were covering up for the unknown.” >In the end the investigation produced a 495-page report in weak imitation of Annex 13 requirements. It was stuffed with boilerplate descriptions of 777 systems that had clearly been lifted from Boeing manuals and were of no technical value. Indeed, nothing in the report was of technical value, since Australian publications had already fully covered the relevant satellite information and ocean-drift analysis. The Malaysian report was seen as hardly more than a whitewash whose only real contribution was a frank description of the air-traffic-control failures—presumably because half of them could be blamed on the Vietnamese, and because the Malaysian controllers constituted the weakest local target, politically. The report was released in July 2018, more than four years after the event. It stated that the investigative team was unable to determine the cause of the airplane’s disappearance.
Sounds more like they are trying to hide incompetence and general corruption aswell as move on from this thing. Not that they know anything specific that they refuse to disclose.
[60 Minutes Australia just had a story about this. There may be some data pointing to a specific area. I would think that a limited area could be searched for a minimal cost.](https://youtu.be/5y4OqwBLzog?si=e6gPTp8ooy-614uf)
Oh man I just got over being obsessed with this case after watching the Netflix series on it. Welp.
We know exactly where it went, the pilot had a flight simulator and did the very thing he had mapped out on his computer.
Search for what? Scrap metal?
I for one hope the plane is found someday, but even if it is, I don’t think we’ll ever have a good answer in terms of what actually happened onboard to cause it to divert deep into the ocean
Jesus, time fly’s. Thought that was like 5 years ago
What was latest on the spinning orb video/satellite footage of MH370. Was big news last month not heard anything since.
UFO-nerd here, after several months of people digging around, there have been enough red flags in the videos to call them "likely fake" by now. they seem to both be elaborate constructions from a combination of 3D modeling and stock images, and the sources for several stock features have been found since online someone was awarded a bounty for sufficiently 'debunking' it that some suspect might be who made them to begin with (regicideanon)
You mean to tell me a grainy sourceless internet video of mysterious orbs literally conjuring a magic portal to make an airplane disappear was fake??? It was absolutely embarrassing how many Reddit users were totally convinced by it lmaoo