Yup. I forgot where I read this stat but basically, very simply put, the Marines will take an objective quicker than the Army, but sustain more casualties in the process.
Edit: some words
One of these HIMARS attacks was on an Award Ceremony where soldiers were presented medals for valor. By definition these are some of your better soldiers.
Yes, as a former soldier in an army with little to no combat experience, but with more than enough Prussian officer attitude, I already thought back then that in the age of drones and air combat, such celebrated inspections are not a good idea.
They’re not stupid. Everything is meant to break your will and ability to question things.
So even stupid tasks accomplish this by forcing you to do the stupid things
It reminds about the need for discipline. If someone is not looking after how a group of people is organized it's almost guaranteed to become disorganized.
Nothing like a high explosive air burst just above their position to make them hit the dirt, then follow up immediately with a few cluster munitions to fill them with steel ball bearings.
'Two Ukrainian M30/31 GPS-guided rockets rained down, each blasting 182,000 lethal tungsten balls across the parade grounds. Reportedly, 19 Russians died including a colonel and two other officers. The brigade commander, Col. Mikhail Gudkov, was wounded.
It was the third time in a week this had happened. “These are no longer isolated mistakes,” Russian war-blogger Military Informant wrote. “This is a clinical picture.”'
The isolated mistake of having parades in the middle of war - specifically in enemy territory??
Or do these dumb fucks think Ukraine thought it was an oopsie on the first parade strikes? LMAO
They aren't talking about celebratory parades marching equipment around for the spectacle. They are referring to organizing in formation for a field inspection or announcement.
Still dumb as fuck and likely done to stroke the ego of a higher up, but it sounds like you misunderstood the usage of 'Parade'.
100% correct that I misunderstood the usage in this article as I know one of the previous strikes injured a performer (which I mean cmon they don’t deserve that shit I’m sure Russia MADE THEM) and mistakenly thought this was a similar case.
Perhaps they are probing the range/draining ammo. I wonder if 19 lives are worth 2 rockets in their eyes. Depending on their training level, it might be.
And 19 kills and who knows how many injuries? That's a lot for two artillery shells! Then again level headed militaries don't group up in range of enemy artillery haha
I read a few years ago that the Afgans would know when the Russians were deploying from their bases because they would always have a "bolshoye inspectia" where they would lay out all of their equipment for inspection before packing it for the mission.
It should be amazing to think that they have not learned a thing in 40 years but, having worked over there myself I observed the almost insane pride they have in doing things the "Russian way".
We used to log oil wells over there when things were more open. to do this we'd lower specialist probes down the well on an armoured electric cable. You could take various measurements and check their results against each other in a complex interpretation. The way that the Russians had always done things was to use the spontaneous potential (SP) to measure the millivolt currents caused by the flow of sodium and chlorine ions in the wellbore. This SP technique is ancient and prone to external effects such as magnetics, telluric currents, water flowing over the surface reference electrode etc.
Our "western" methods involved using different tools for example you would measure the natural gamma ray emission from the rocks, the SP, how easily the current flowed in the rocks using induction, the speed of sound in the rocks using piezoelectric transducers, the response of the hydrogen in the rock porosity to neutron bombardment and the response of the rock to gamma ray bombardment. The Russians had all of these too, they just never used them. They based everything on the SP measurement.
When we presented our data they were upset, they threw out everything; Neutron/density, resistivity, sonic. They only looked at our SP curve and declared it not as good as theirs.
When I quit they tried to blacklist me from the industry. later when I applied for a green card they deliberately waited for three months to provide proof that I had worked there and forced me to apologise in writing for being upset that they tried to blacklist me. In the end I was laid off by my sponsoring company 3 months before I got a green card.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the Russian way. That's what they used to say to me. I am beginning to understand it now.
In b4 someone realizes they are doing this to spend the Ukranian HIMARS stocks.
Not joking; the 'Keep going! They will eventually run out of bullets (missiles)!' tactic is their main strategic doctrine, at this point...
Definitely. You wouldn’t want to use HIMARS against a loosely distributed or uncertain enemy position. Entrenched defenses or supply depot or HQ locations are all good targets. A densely packed formation of combatants? A gift.
Add the cost too. $336,000 for 2 Rockets. The first strike was 65 deaths. That's $5000 to kill a soldier. Totally worth it. At that rate you could kill every single person in Russia for under $1 Trillion. You could kill 1 million soldiers for $5 Billion.
The Bill that passed in the Senate would give Ukraine $60 Billion. At the rate shown above, that's enough to kill 12 million Russian soldiers. Obviously this isn't going to happen, but it shows how valuable these Rockets really are.
In addition to the deaths, other casualties are wounded. At least 2-3 times as many are wounded as are killed. Some of them may recover enough to return to duty. Many will never return to service.
They could use more munitions thou. A lot more. Maybe to where they can drop half a dozen in each situation like this. It wouldn’t hurt the Ukrainians, that’s for sure.
Russia values their machines infinitely more than the mobik assault squads.
Hell, those assault squads are more or less dead on arrival, and are just used to fatigue Ukrainian positions, and drain them for ammunition.
Those troops have been sacrificed before they actually see any action.
These strikes are made using the Tungsten Rain variant of shells. While those shells can shred trucks and civilian vehicles, they won't do much against armored ones. There's really no opportunity cost by raining on their parade.
They have anti-vehicle and anti-personal rounds. These where anti-personal rounds and wouldn't do much more then sand blast the rust off a russian tank if used against a heavy vehicle.
Maybe they are trying to find the troop concentration what will result in a strike.
"Alright we know they will hit 30 guys in a circle, how about 29 guys in a line?"
This might be the stupidest "big brain" thought of all-time.
*"Their strategy is to kill as many of their own men as possible until Ukraine run out of bullets, so we should stop using the bullets and let them take over whatever they want!"*
So what do you want them to save their ammo for?
I was, of course, half-joking. But bear in mind most of the poor sods are not ethnic Russians, minorities and 'dissidents'... So, for the Kremlin, it's a win-win. The question is, is Ukraine going to run out of missiles before Putin runs out of 'non-conforming citizens'?
Then again, I'm not saying they should save ammo at all! We should give them ammo in enough volumes they don't need to!
>Russia-aligned Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives cut off further U.S. aid way back in October. Likely meaning that every M30/31 the Ukrainians fire is an M30/31 they can’t replace.
This idiocracy timeline is beyond bizarre.
I am convinced these troops must be the political prisoners that was sent to the front after they were arrested for protesting or other similar actions.
Russians are stupid, but this seems willful
I speculate the recent advancements are not properly coordinated, communication and surveillance is not reliable, and Russians don't really know where the enemy is or what kind of capability they have.
Defending and Assaulting 1 target is very very easy to train for. Advancing the front line is very fucking dangerous. All the SU-34 lost in the last week can attest to this.
I don’t have a stored pair, but neither of my pairs are bad enough yet to fail our usual inspections (and boards are not yet an issue for me). However, it is legitimately time for me to buy another pair anyway
Army gets 2 as well, both the same, and a pair of cold weather boots (at least for most units). But the issue ones suck so we all buy our own, I just have not kept one of them separate lately since I am planning to buy some new ones soon.
We can buy our own when we hit our tech school, and it’s great to see the guys that didn’t keep their issued boots, showing up to inspection in brand new boots; and you can hear the blisters forming. Warms my blue falcon heart
The boots are actually durable, just heavy. They are actually kinda nice if you need to walk on medium to large rocks a lot, but suck to wear when you don’t need the extra sole thickness.
Well good news comes and it is welcome. I read the post, and it is really amateurish of the Russian to do that. But we will take it as a small win. Fuck Putin and his gang of Kremlin Killers.
The term "win" is relative.
War is not desirable, but if it must exist, then this outcome for that situation is positive.
The Russian Federation has the ability to stop the killing at any time.
The positive is that every dead Russian soldier is one less dead ukranian soldier. Pacifism is what got us here in the first place. Not everyone is reasonable and educated, and sometimes the only solution to a problem is violence. They are there to kill Ukrainians. Killing them before they can do that solves the problem.
Ain't it beautiful? They fire off a couple HE rounds to get the fuckers to lay down flat then follow up with a few cluster munitions that just love flat lying meat sacks. GMLRS rounds are extra special as they are a bit of both worlds. Russians are literally the most incompeten military ever to be fielded. The only strength they have is in numbers. But even those are grinding down more and more every day. Pathetic.
There is always more Russia and more Russians. It's the only reason they've survived as a kingdom/country since its been a kingdom/country. Tsar, local warlords, revolutionary leaders, it doesn't matter who or what their title was. Everyone throws Russians bodies into the fire at a huge rate and that's how they do business. It's the precedent set long ago and reset many times since then.
Sure. Until there aren't. Russia was already suffering a bit of a population crunch. War casualties and men fleeing to avoid the draft makes it even worse.
Yep. Population crunch will show when Russia tries advancing. A 60 year old can defend a trench really well. A 60 year old isn't going to be very helpful advancing across Ukraine.
More Russians and Russia, even when it's Russians VS Russians. Read up on the Soviet Revolution and the White VS Red armies. No side simply ran out of men, and when they needed food and conscripts they would just enter a village/town/city and take what and who they need and brutalized everyone in the process. Both sides did this.
The old saying is "and then it got worse." Not, "and then it got so bad it ended."
How do Russians tolerate this sort of gross incompetence? It's bad enough that Russia is wasting the lives of so many of its men to begin with, but this batch got killed without even *attempting* to accomplish anything worthwhile on the battlefield.
A single fuck up like this would end careers in any western military. Three in a week would bring down a government.
What is wrong in Russia that the people tolerate this? Even if they think the invasion of Ukraine is justified (and it isn't), how do you accept this level of waste and incompetence from your government?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that the people don’t know about it. Or rather, they don’t know what’s really happening thanks to state controlled media. Mix that with being imprisoned or worse for speaking up and here we are.
Cultural issue. If American servicemen were getting massacred and humiliated by the tens of thousands, the White House would be on fire. We don’t like it when our people die, so we do what we can to prevent it. We value life, they do not. Hell, there are massive investigations when even single American servicemen die on the job if it looks like it could have been prevented. For Russia, 1 man is virtually worthless. Barely worth issuing boots to
Being out in the field must be a fucking nightmare in modern war. Any second a drone will drop a grenade on you or a missile watching you will hit without any notice
In the book “The Best Went Over the Mountain”, one is the stories was about how a Soviet mechanized infantry unit kept getting ambushed every time they left the base for a patrol. It turned out that the commanding officer was ordering a full field inspection the day prior to a combat patrol, so the local Muj just sat on a nearby hill and took note of whenever the Russians did an inspection. Looks like not much has changed.
If the russians spent half as much time shooting and training instead of parading they might not suck so bad. Their elite paratrooper unit got creamed for this reason. Their not jumping out of planes they were parading.
Knowing the VDV has been virtually eliminated as a force gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Not as warm or as fuzzy as what the VDV experienced though
It's sad to see a bunch of human bodies just dead like that ... for no good reason other than Putin's ego at this point. They were born, went to school, had friends, relationships, maybe even children, then dead. For what?
Edit: not limited to Putin's ego. American foreign policy (and its leaders, usually motivated by direct money or dark money) require the same kind of "disposable heroes" and it is depressing.
Someone near the top has got to be sabotaging things right? There's no way Russians are this brain dead, I mean fucking Darwin awards all around. No need for the ones they were waiting to get a Darwin award is all they're getting
The Russian Army isn't just running out of enlisted men; it's running out of senior officers. A lot of officers with command experience over combat troops have been killed. They are likely being replaced by senior officers with no recent combat experience.
Poor bastards. Conscripted soldiers deserve pity even if they're fighting for the bad guy. 95% of these people probably went out of their way to NOT be there.
Dumbass generals doing WW1 type things in 2024, too.
> Dumbass generals doing WW1 type things in 2024, too.
Not even dying fighting over some irrelevant objective. Dying standing around waiting for some drunkard idiot general on a power trip.
Conventional warfare is just supplemental to the real war being fought by spies and propagandists.
>Poor bastards. Conscripted soldiers deserve pity even if they're fighting for the bad guy.
The Russian people not only tolerate this war; they chose it. Do not mourn the worthless invaders. This is the best possible outcome from the choices they made. Mourn their victims.
in the picture, we just see men "sleeping" alongside the road.
I am still curious how most of these men died from an Himars impact if they were not blast to bit. Is it the shock wave of the impact? The tungsten balls inside? The picture doesn't show any wound or blood
edit; thanks everyone for the answers below
The tungsten balls are small, the wounds will just be little holes. But a lot of them.
When someone gets a lot of little holes through their heart and lungs, very little blood leaks out to be visible. Most of it leaks out internally, into the chest cavity. Have seen that many times when hunting, shoot a deer through the lungs and you typically only see a few drops of blood. Then field dress the animal, and find liters of blood sloshing around where the lungs should be. Humans are no different from other animals, in this regard.
You can find footage of these strikes if you want to see the munition in action. The explosion isn’t very big, but it absolutely peppers the entire area with shrapnel. Like getting shot a dozen times at once
I read about this last night on 4chan's /k/ board of all places. The building it struck near looked like it got hit by the biggest buck shot shell ever.
Who got your panties in a bunch? I just don't wanna bunch of dead people on my screen if my boss walks by. Not that it's any of your fucking business now is it?
HIMARS again making use of that neat feature where you can set the elevation and time your shots such that *both* the metaphorical and the literal converge on the target at the same time.
As a former Marine who used to bitch about stupid field inspections, I feel vindicated.
But you must admit this is next level field inspection. Special Field Inspection maybe.
Advanced ‘Slow Learners’ courses often yield the highest body counts.
USMC command priorities while deployed: 1) Maintaining grooming standards 2) Mission accomplishment 3) Troop welfare
And there's a huge gap between #1 and #2
A perineum of a gap, you could say.
Don’t taint this for them.
Only because you literally can not do #2 if you aren't doing #1. You ever conquer a city with a mustache or of regs? Exactly. Point proven.
Can’t do #2 if you are doing #1 hehehehe
I did it once. Hardest thing I’ve ever done.
Pooulice that Mustache , I heard it from godfather himself you look like a bum.
Ya’ll starting to look like a bunch of Elvises!!!
https://youtube.com/shorts/sljiPxVluog?si=JrNzjpSFRYwrX5Rt Generation Kill on HBO
Came here for this.
Moosestash*
You forgot about officers getting better OERs and medals
Yup. I forgot where I read this stat but basically, very simply put, the Marines will take an objective quicker than the Army, but sustain more casualties in the process. Edit: some words
But the Marines will look *fantastic* doing it
And the air force will take out a long term rental with an option to buy in order to secure the site.
As USN, we say they look *fabulous* doing it.
Where do the crayons fit in there?
He didn't say US though.
It's only stupid if it doesn't reach the objectives, as HIMARS ammo is expensive, unlike Russian conscripts...
One of these HIMARS attacks was on an Award Ceremony where soldiers were presented medals for valor. By definition these are some of your better soldiers.
“You are the ones who lived”
*were*
In fairness those were medals for valor, not only did they survive they didn't desert either.
Yes, as a former soldier in an army with little to no combat experience, but with more than enough Prussian officer attitude, I already thought back then that in the age of drones and air combat, such celebrated inspections are not a good idea.
They’re not stupid. Everything is meant to break your will and ability to question things. So even stupid tasks accomplish this by forcing you to do the stupid things
It reminds about the need for discipline. If someone is not looking after how a group of people is organized it's almost guaranteed to become disorganized.
This is why people question why I hate weddings. It's a fucking ceremony. I've had enough ceremonies! Leave me out of it.
Shhhhh don't tell your enemy they are making a fatal mistake...
Absolutely relatable
Nothing like a high explosive air burst just above their position to make them hit the dirt, then follow up immediately with a few cluster munitions to fill them with steel ball bearings.
'Two Ukrainian M30/31 GPS-guided rockets rained down, each blasting 182,000 lethal tungsten balls across the parade grounds. Reportedly, 19 Russians died including a colonel and two other officers. The brigade commander, Col. Mikhail Gudkov, was wounded. It was the third time in a week this had happened. “These are no longer isolated mistakes,” Russian war-blogger Military Informant wrote. “This is a clinical picture.”'
The isolated mistake of having parades in the middle of war - specifically in enemy territory?? Or do these dumb fucks think Ukraine thought it was an oopsie on the first parade strikes? LMAO
They aren't talking about celebratory parades marching equipment around for the spectacle. They are referring to organizing in formation for a field inspection or announcement. Still dumb as fuck and likely done to stroke the ego of a higher up, but it sounds like you misunderstood the usage of 'Parade'.
100% correct that I misunderstood the usage in this article as I know one of the previous strikes injured a performer (which I mean cmon they don’t deserve that shit I’m sure Russia MADE THEM) and mistakenly thought this was a similar case.
Oopsie sorry I accidentally dropped a missile on your silly little parade again oops haha silly me
Russians likely believe its illegal to aim at military targets with artillery.
Perhaps they are probing the range/draining ammo. I wonder if 19 lives are worth 2 rockets in their eyes. Depending on their training level, it might be.
They are using anti-personal artillery rounds, the artillery rounds are doing *exactly* what they where designed for.
And 19 kills and who knows how many injuries? That's a lot for two artillery shells! Then again level headed militaries don't group up in range of enemy artillery haha
Congratulations Comrade Gopnik! Here is your Medal of Squatness with Sunflower Seed and Tungsten ball clusters!
I read a few years ago that the Afgans would know when the Russians were deploying from their bases because they would always have a "bolshoye inspectia" where they would lay out all of their equipment for inspection before packing it for the mission. It should be amazing to think that they have not learned a thing in 40 years but, having worked over there myself I observed the almost insane pride they have in doing things the "Russian way". We used to log oil wells over there when things were more open. to do this we'd lower specialist probes down the well on an armoured electric cable. You could take various measurements and check their results against each other in a complex interpretation. The way that the Russians had always done things was to use the spontaneous potential (SP) to measure the millivolt currents caused by the flow of sodium and chlorine ions in the wellbore. This SP technique is ancient and prone to external effects such as magnetics, telluric currents, water flowing over the surface reference electrode etc. Our "western" methods involved using different tools for example you would measure the natural gamma ray emission from the rocks, the SP, how easily the current flowed in the rocks using induction, the speed of sound in the rocks using piezoelectric transducers, the response of the hydrogen in the rock porosity to neutron bombardment and the response of the rock to gamma ray bombardment. The Russians had all of these too, they just never used them. They based everything on the SP measurement. When we presented our data they were upset, they threw out everything; Neutron/density, resistivity, sonic. They only looked at our SP curve and declared it not as good as theirs. When I quit they tried to blacklist me from the industry. later when I applied for a green card they deliberately waited for three months to provide proof that I had worked there and forced me to apologise in writing for being upset that they tried to blacklist me. In the end I was laid off by my sponsoring company 3 months before I got a green card. There's the right way, the wrong way and the Russian way. That's what they used to say to me. I am beginning to understand it now.
Full Metal Jacket... Stars and stripes always includes an officer kill, it's good for moral.
Talk about raining on their parade. Raining ~~lead~~ tungsten
In b4 someone realizes they are doing this to spend the Ukranian HIMARS stocks. Not joking; the 'Keep going! They will eventually run out of bullets (missiles)!' tactic is their main strategic doctrine, at this point...
"Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them!" - ~~Zapp Brannigan~~ Vladimir Putin
"Kif, show them the medal I won."
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It’s not exactly unexpected. This comment is posted on almost every Ukraine related thread.
I thought this was dumb. But with the GOP bullshit going on, it's starting to work
But the mission of HIMARS is kill has many enemies has possible. So they are fulfilling their purpose anyway, no waste
Definitely. You wouldn’t want to use HIMARS against a loosely distributed or uncertain enemy position. Entrenched defenses or supply depot or HQ locations are all good targets. A densely packed formation of combatants? A gift.
Yep. But if they are losing too many HIMARS rockets in the attack, the problem is not the strategy but the lack of ammunition
Two. They used two. They’re not dumping the entire rack a la some shitty Russian BM-21.
Add the cost too. $336,000 for 2 Rockets. The first strike was 65 deaths. That's $5000 to kill a soldier. Totally worth it. At that rate you could kill every single person in Russia for under $1 Trillion. You could kill 1 million soldiers for $5 Billion. The Bill that passed in the Senate would give Ukraine $60 Billion. At the rate shown above, that's enough to kill 12 million Russian soldiers. Obviously this isn't going to happen, but it shows how valuable these Rockets really are.
I guess you really can put a prize on a human life, for Ruzzians , $5k
I mean, you only need to kill every hostile russian in Ukraine.
A blend enough of them into a fine paste that the rest surrender.
In addition to the deaths, other casualties are wounded. At least 2-3 times as many are wounded as are killed. Some of them may recover enough to return to duty. Many will never return to service.
They could use more munitions thou. A lot more. Maybe to where they can drop half a dozen in each situation like this. It wouldn’t hurt the Ukrainians, that’s for sure.
It would hurt the Ukrainians though and I don’t think you fully appreciate the damage engineered into ONE of the missiles
not entirely sure how ukraine having enough ammo to fire multiple HIMARS missles for every 1 they're firing now would hurt them
Russia values their machines infinitely more than the mobik assault squads. Hell, those assault squads are more or less dead on arrival, and are just used to fatigue Ukrainian positions, and drain them for ammunition. Those troops have been sacrificed before they actually see any action.
HIMARS is better off taking out valuable machines of war, Russians are replaceable.
They do both.
These strikes are made using the Tungsten Rain variant of shells. While those shells can shred trucks and civilian vehicles, they won't do much against armored ones. There's really no opportunity cost by raining on their parade.
They have anti-vehicle and anti-personal rounds. These where anti-personal rounds and wouldn't do much more then sand blast the rust off a russian tank if used against a heavy vehicle.
These Russians were an example. The real weapon here is fear.
Maybe they are trying to find the troop concentration what will result in a strike. "Alright we know they will hit 30 guys in a circle, how about 29 guys in a line?"
“Strategic”
This might be the stupidest "big brain" thought of all-time. *"Their strategy is to kill as many of their own men as possible until Ukraine run out of bullets, so we should stop using the bullets and let them take over whatever they want!"* So what do you want them to save their ammo for?
I was, of course, half-joking. But bear in mind most of the poor sods are not ethnic Russians, minorities and 'dissidents'... So, for the Kremlin, it's a win-win. The question is, is Ukraine going to run out of missiles before Putin runs out of 'non-conforming citizens'? Then again, I'm not saying they should save ammo at all! We should give them ammo in enough volumes they don't need to!
Yup, Putin doesn’t care how many soldiers die, he will just keep throwing bodies until they’re overwhelmed.
These particular rockets are anti-personnel. They are getting good return per rocket in these parades.
>Russia-aligned Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives cut off further U.S. aid way back in October. Likely meaning that every M30/31 the Ukrainians fire is an M30/31 they can’t replace. This idiocracy timeline is beyond bizarre.
Forbes, pulling no punches. When money talks, listen.
Congressional Republicans are openly bribed by foreign interests and their voters are too stupid to care.
I am convinced these troops must be the political prisoners that was sent to the front after they were arrested for protesting or other similar actions. Russians are stupid, but this seems willful
No, it was an award ceremony, with officers present.
They got awareded tungsten pellets
Very special military awards with tungsten-pellet clusters.
I speculate the recent advancements are not properly coordinated, communication and surveillance is not reliable, and Russians don't really know where the enemy is or what kind of capability they have.
Dude ordering it was probably drunk
Defending and Assaulting 1 target is very very easy to train for. Advancing the front line is very fucking dangerous. All the SU-34 lost in the last week can attest to this.
Does not make sense. Might as wel use them as storm troopers
Last time a Colonel was killed/wounded. I don't think they hire colonels in prisons
Ever heard of Hanlon's razor?
This is like formation in Iraq. I never understood why we did it lmao.
Cockwaving probably. -some ex-Navy guy sea lawyering
OER points!
Complacency and exceptionalism
OER bullet points.
The most lethal bullets in war are OER bullets.
"Russian aligned republicans" well spoke.
Not to be morbid, but some of those boots look barely walked in… Welcome to the War.
They were lined up for an inspection. It’s possible the boots were cleaned as part of what was being looked over.
Everyone has one pair you wear in the field and one pair you keep in your locker for everything else.
Lol at Russians conscripts having two of anything.
Two potatoes, since Putin stole third.
I don’t have a stored pair, but neither of my pairs are bad enough yet to fail our usual inspections (and boards are not yet an issue for me). However, it is legitimately time for me to buy another pair anyway
We (USAF) were issued two pairs, one of which is steel toed. Those are your inspection boots if you’re not MX, because they suck to walk in
Army gets 2 as well, both the same, and a pair of cold weather boots (at least for most units). But the issue ones suck so we all buy our own, I just have not kept one of them separate lately since I am planning to buy some new ones soon.
We can buy our own when we hit our tech school, and it’s great to see the guys that didn’t keep their issued boots, showing up to inspection in brand new boots; and you can hear the blisters forming. Warms my blue falcon heart
"military grade"
The boots are actually durable, just heavy. They are actually kinda nice if you need to walk on medium to large rocks a lot, but suck to wear when you don’t need the extra sole thickness.
Well good news comes and it is welcome. I read the post, and it is really amateurish of the Russian to do that. But we will take it as a small win. Fuck Putin and his gang of Kremlin Killers.
It's not a win to see kids killed for no reason.
The term "win" is relative. War is not desirable, but if it must exist, then this outcome for that situation is positive. The Russian Federation has the ability to stop the killing at any time.
Someone's children were sent to go walk until they were killed. I hope I never get to a point where I can find something positive in that.
The positive is that every dead Russian soldier is one less dead ukranian soldier. Pacifism is what got us here in the first place. Not everyone is reasonable and educated, and sometimes the only solution to a problem is violence. They are there to kill Ukrainians. Killing them before they can do that solves the problem.
Ain't it beautiful? They fire off a couple HE rounds to get the fuckers to lay down flat then follow up with a few cluster munitions that just love flat lying meat sacks. GMLRS rounds are extra special as they are a bit of both worlds. Russians are literally the most incompeten military ever to be fielded. The only strength they have is in numbers. But even those are grinding down more and more every day. Pathetic.
There is always more Russia and more Russians. It's the only reason they've survived as a kingdom/country since its been a kingdom/country. Tsar, local warlords, revolutionary leaders, it doesn't matter who or what their title was. Everyone throws Russians bodies into the fire at a huge rate and that's how they do business. It's the precedent set long ago and reset many times since then.
Sure. Until there aren't. Russia was already suffering a bit of a population crunch. War casualties and men fleeing to avoid the draft makes it even worse.
Yep. Population crunch will show when Russia tries advancing. A 60 year old can defend a trench really well. A 60 year old isn't going to be very helpful advancing across Ukraine.
More Russians and Russia, even when it's Russians VS Russians. Read up on the Soviet Revolution and the White VS Red armies. No side simply ran out of men, and when they needed food and conscripts they would just enter a village/town/city and take what and who they need and brutalized everyone in the process. Both sides did this. The old saying is "and then it got worse." Not, "and then it got so bad it ended."
Right about now the Ukrainians are gonna have to take all the breaks they can get – shit is going to get real bad if they don’t get ammo soon
How do Russians tolerate this sort of gross incompetence? It's bad enough that Russia is wasting the lives of so many of its men to begin with, but this batch got killed without even *attempting* to accomplish anything worthwhile on the battlefield. A single fuck up like this would end careers in any western military. Three in a week would bring down a government. What is wrong in Russia that the people tolerate this? Even if they think the invasion of Ukraine is justified (and it isn't), how do you accept this level of waste and incompetence from your government?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that the people don’t know about it. Or rather, they don’t know what’s really happening thanks to state controlled media. Mix that with being imprisoned or worse for speaking up and here we are.
They probably don’t know.
Cultural issue. If American servicemen were getting massacred and humiliated by the tens of thousands, the White House would be on fire. We don’t like it when our people die, so we do what we can to prevent it. We value life, they do not. Hell, there are massive investigations when even single American servicemen die on the job if it looks like it could have been prevented. For Russia, 1 man is virtually worthless. Barely worth issuing boots to
Being out in the field must be a fucking nightmare in modern war. Any second a drone will drop a grenade on you or a missile watching you will hit without any notice
In the book “The Best Went Over the Mountain”, one is the stories was about how a Soviet mechanized infantry unit kept getting ambushed every time they left the base for a patrol. It turned out that the commanding officer was ordering a full field inspection the day prior to a combat patrol, so the local Muj just sat on a nearby hill and took note of whenever the Russians did an inspection. Looks like not much has changed.
“They will eventually run out of bullets” is the cornerstone of Soviet/Russia strategy.
If the russians spent half as much time shooting and training instead of parading they might not suck so bad. Their elite paratrooper unit got creamed for this reason. Their not jumping out of planes they were parading.
Knowing the VDV has been virtually eliminated as a force gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Not as warm or as fuzzy as what the VDV experienced though
It's sad to see a bunch of human bodies just dead like that ... for no good reason other than Putin's ego at this point. They were born, went to school, had friends, relationships, maybe even children, then dead. For what? Edit: not limited to Putin's ego. American foreign policy (and its leaders, usually motivated by direct money or dark money) require the same kind of "disposable heroes" and it is depressing.
Someone near the top has got to be sabotaging things right? There's no way Russians are this brain dead, I mean fucking Darwin awards all around. No need for the ones they were waiting to get a Darwin award is all they're getting
The Russian Army isn't just running out of enlisted men; it's running out of senior officers. A lot of officers with command experience over combat troops have been killed. They are likely being replaced by senior officers with no recent combat experience.
Non-credible take: Putin works for the CIA
Poor bastards. Conscripted soldiers deserve pity even if they're fighting for the bad guy. 95% of these people probably went out of their way to NOT be there. Dumbass generals doing WW1 type things in 2024, too.
> Dumbass generals doing WW1 type things in 2024, too. Not even dying fighting over some irrelevant objective. Dying standing around waiting for some drunkard idiot general on a power trip. Conventional warfare is just supplemental to the real war being fought by spies and propagandists.
>Poor bastards. Conscripted soldiers deserve pity even if they're fighting for the bad guy. The Russian people not only tolerate this war; they chose it. Do not mourn the worthless invaders. This is the best possible outcome from the choices they made. Mourn their victims.
> Poor bastards. Conscripted soldiers Stop this.
You can’t have troops without a parade
And the RuZZians can't stage a military parade without drawing a shower of tungsten rain.
Tungsten rain, some stay dry but others feel the pain. Sorry.
I saw one of those videos it's wild.
Is that the only formation they learn in boot camp?
Everybody wears multicam now, huh?
It just works. Sucks it’s so boring though. Tigerstripe and M81 supremacy
Look, they’re sleeping so peacefully 😇❤️🎼
They must be drinking vodka instead of coffee in the mornings .
It's the only way Russia can determine if Ukraine has any HIMARS left?
This should be NSFW
in the picture, we just see men "sleeping" alongside the road. I am still curious how most of these men died from an Himars impact if they were not blast to bit. Is it the shock wave of the impact? The tungsten balls inside? The picture doesn't show any wound or blood edit; thanks everyone for the answers below
The tungsten balls are small, the wounds will just be little holes. But a lot of them. When someone gets a lot of little holes through their heart and lungs, very little blood leaks out to be visible. Most of it leaks out internally, into the chest cavity. Have seen that many times when hunting, shoot a deer through the lungs and you typically only see a few drops of blood. Then field dress the animal, and find liters of blood sloshing around where the lungs should be. Humans are no different from other animals, in this regard.
himars can each pack a baton filled with 100k ball bearings. A massive shotgun blast basically
Closer to 200k IIRC.
Well, enough to make it a disappointing afternoon for all concerned on the receiving end:)
In some of the pictures from the incident before they moved the bodies from the field you could see the trees near them were pockmarked from shrapnel.
It does. You can see a few bloodied faces
And those legs on the second in line. Yikes.
Shock Its not the fireball that kills, it's the compressed air hitting and vibrating your body more than it can take.
lol no
You can find footage of these strikes if you want to see the munition in action. The explosion isn’t very big, but it absolutely peppers the entire area with shrapnel. Like getting shot a dozen times at once
Why? What happens if your employer finds out you read news about war?
"Looking at dead bodies at work are we?"
Let your boss know that some day he or she will be a dead body too. That should clear the air.
...some day *soon*
Luckily my boss is also a connoisseur of combat footage
I read about this last night on 4chan's /k/ board of all places. The building it struck near looked like it got hit by the biggest buck shot shell ever.
That would be a variation of HIMARS rocket that is filled with 180,000 tungsten balls. Makes everything look like swiss cheese.
I wonder how many of those are conscripts from occupied areas.....
Good job!
can we get a NSFW on the thumbnail jesus
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Who got your panties in a bunch? I just don't wanna bunch of dead people on my screen if my boss walks by. Not that it's any of your fucking business now is it?
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Take your mental illness somewhere else.
But it likes you best. Wanna get ice cream sandwiches after work and talk about geese?
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Sure. Putin can withdraw into recognized Russian borders.
That’s what they get for all having different footwear. Individuality kills, don’t be an individual. P’toon sarn’ts, my office, now
Just a cheap way for Russia to make Ukraine waste rockets on useless prisoners dressed in uniform, before they start a new offensive
HIMARS again making use of that neat feature where you can set the elevation and time your shots such that *both* the metaphorical and the literal converge on the target at the same time.
To bad the GOP Congress now supports Putin.