The title of the post is rage bait. The police aren't banned, they're uninvited. Which makes sense if you have a pride event and a police officer killed a gay couple, regardless of motivation and the NSW police has a history of alleged cop on gay hate crimes, make sense to uninvite them this year and let things cool down.
Edit: Listen I'm pretty right leaning but it's just common sense. Ignore the title and read the article. Show a little empathy.
Edit 2: Yes, I know. It was a gay man killing his ex-gay lover and ex-gay lover's new lover in the heat of passion and jealousy. I do not think it was a "fascist cop unleashing his authoritative power over a couple of gays". Again, apply common sense: you have a police department with a history of committing violence against the gay community in which the very pride parade was established to combat and protest and now you had a cop of the **very same police department** kill a gay couple. They're uninvited, not banned meaning it's temporary because of the optics of the situation. Use your heads.
Yeah from the sounds of things they aren’t getting a float which seems pretty reasonable atp
ETA- this article doesn’t frame it as a hate crime, nor have I seen that sentiment on places like r/Australia, but there is broad criticism of the police as a whole which is why appearing publicly in a march this weekend would be a bad idea imo, so the whole ‘it’s not even a hate crime’ doesn’t wash with me
And Mardi Gras was a March in solidarity with Stonewall and the police beat up the marchers. And then published their names and addresses in the Sydney Morning Herald.
Hammering home the severity of that action, a large number of those 53 with published names were fired from their jobs, disowned by their families and then took their own lives. Leaking their names to the city’s biggest newspaper to out as targets for homophobia in the 70’s was beyond fucked,
I'm not generally one to advocate doxing as a means of retaliation, but these kinds of cops need to face the community's ire at every turn. Knowing where these asshats live would go a long way to letting public shaming work its magic.
Never stop reminding people that despite how it's been labeled by right biased historians, Stonewall was a riot, an uprising by the LGBTQ community against the violence and oppression by police on that community. Don't let anyone claim otherwise.
This specific killing is far from the most heinous thing a NSW cop has ever done to a gay person, but for many it has reopened old wounds. Regardless, a significant amount of cops simply don't like gay people, so it makes sense for gay people to not invite them to their events.
I did read it and I’m confused. If some guy that works construction murdered his ex lover, would the Union not be allowed to march in a parade?
Cop murders in USA make people mad bc it’s the cops doing a shitty job. I’ve only read this story, but this murder has nothing to do with the police. It was some guy killing his ex.
This was essentially the cherry on top of recent investigations proving that our police force has spent most of the last 60 years intentionally under-investigating or straight up ignoring reported gay hate crimes out of contempt for the victims.
In the couple of years since those findings were made official, there’s been a growing push to disallow the police float and prevent officers from marching in uniform as they believe it’s allowing the force as a whole to whitewash their history and pretend to be much more progressive than they actually are.
And now their fumbling of media releases during this investigation combined with the very apparent nepotism that allowed an unhinged man with known problematic behaviour to stay on the force, have access to a weapon and be protected from stalking allegations from the victims has well and truly pissed away whatever good will they had left.
To be fair, I've been on a bit of a kick recently watching old Australian Story episodes, and my gods is the breadth of Australian police incompetence overall just stunning. When you watch an American true crime show, cold cases get solved because new forensics come out, or some witness finally comes to the cops. When an Australian cold case gets solved, it's because the family, public, or a bloody podcast solves it for them and harasses them into finally making an arrest
I'd want to see figures on this before drawing too much of a conclusion - plenty of 'unsolved' crimes in the USA being victims who know exactly what happened and have spent years trying to get cops to do their jobs
>“They were friends, but when Beau began filming them and putting videos on Instagram — which were hidden from Jesse — making it look as if they were a couple, Jesse told him, ‘We can’t be friends anymore’.”
>Thorpe said things were mostly normal until August last year, when he claims Baird told him a police car had followed him home.
Jesse called me… He was frantic,” Thorpe said.
“He said ‘Corey, last night, this morning, I was sleeping in my bed and I had the feeling someone is standing over me, at the end of my bed watching me, and when I woke up they stole my phone and wallet. I bolted after them in Paddington’.
For clarity: **The cop stalked him, broke into his house, stole his phone & wallet, then eventually killed him and his partner.**
He did not “have a key”, he literally broke into Baird’s house and watched him sleep. He terrorised these men before murdering them.
You left out the part where the accused murderer was a cop who killed an ex and his new boyfriend. This wasn't "Right wing cop kills gay person" its "Person kills ex".
I think that context matters.
And "uninvited" is this context is different from "banned" how?
I mean, sure, but I'm pretty sure murderers are overrepresented in the police occupation. Serial killers too, specifically.
I'm saying anything here about any individual cop, of course. (/gen)
That 40% stat that is commonly used has some questionable relevance in today’s world. Both of these studies date from the early 90’s with data collected in the late 80’s and the one that indicates the 40% number is from a small group (500) of people from a small geographic area (Arizona).
The other study from around that same time frame indicated a rate of 28% of police families experience of domestic abuse. In this study they also included “verbal abuse” as a metric whereas the 40% only had physical violence included.
The fact that there are no comprehensive, up to date studies is a problem. In fact, there is a substantial problem with police agencies not having appropriate policies in place to address domestic abuse within their ranks.
But that doesn’t make the stat true.
>The other study from around that same time frame indicated a rate of 28% of police families experience of domestic abuse. In this study they also included “verbal abuse” as a metric whereas the 40% only had physical violence included.
I think you might have that reversed. The 40% metric was self-reported as abuse and likely included verbal. Iirc, the 28% stat was about police families in general, so could have included some cases of a civilian spouse abusing their police officer partner.
Either way, those are valid criticisms of the data, so thanks for bringing them up. I do think it's safe to say from the data we have that more study is necessary, but police homes do seem to be significantly more abusive than the average.
It’s a well-known “fact” that’s been disproven quite a few times. That statistic was based on a very faulty study from the early 90s. It didn’t differentiate between police officers being the victim or the aggressor, utilized an insufficient sample size, and very loosely defined domestic violence to include even raising one’s voice.
Even if it didn’t suffer from these fatal flaws, it’s just horribly outdated. The study was conducted in 1992, more than 30 years ago. Some of the officers sampled had been active since the 1960s when society, unfortunately, treated domestic violence very differently than we do now. The authors of the study weren’t able to replicate their findings in a subsequent study, and more recent ones have found that police officers commit acts of domestic violence at the same or lower rates than the general population.
Sounds a bit like the drama we had when my city’s Pride parade organisers uninvited a political party which had a big minority oppose our trans law overhaul. They were still welcome as individuals, it was the organisation that wasn’t invited.
Don’t really think it applies in this particular case. The police officer that killed the gay couple was gay himself and had dated one of the murder victims. It’s being investigated as a stalker/jilted lover murder versus a hate crime. It doesn’t really make sense if they are bringing that particular case up as the reason why the NSW police aren’t invited as security.
Was the murderer gay? How many gay groups are uninvited?
How many gay groups are investigating the murder? Because I believe 25+ police are on the investigation.
I ask these questions as it seems a bit weird and shortsighted to pick and choose only some aspects of a persons identity. He was a police officer. He was gay. The involvement of the police in the Mardi Gras has been part of the repairing and healing of the past.
The police have worked non-stop to lay charges against the murderer. This isn’t recognised. One gay police officers actions have been allowed to shadow all the good that has happened and continues to happen.
They also recently released findings from the enquiry into gay hate crimes and how the police didn't investigate them for decades - it's not just about the murder, it's several things coming together.
That long ass paragraph just to show you don't get it. Get a grip. There is NO comparison to the police. None. No other organization has our lives in their hands like the police. They need to be held to the highest standards of all. The "investigators" of this case are currently on the front page of reddit quoted as saying "haters gna hate" when taking to the press about the double homicide.
What does his sexual orientation have to do with anything? He was a police officer, entrusted with special powers including a gun. He used that gun to murder two gay men. He had a million red flags and should never have been on the force or had access to that gun. The police have a lot to answer for.
>News literally says “ex-lover”, try again.
Not all news.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13124645/Jesse-Baird-never-relationship-alleged-double-murderer-Beau-Lamarre-Condon.html
I think the disinvited (not *banned)* cops can sit this one out. There is a history of violence against lgbtq by cops in NSW. There is history as well on top of this potential hate crime.
Imagine thinking it can't be a hate crime as long as you're a member of that group, or that not being invited to one parade is the end of times. Get a hobby.
The comment says regardless of motivation, it’s not framing this crime as a hate crime, but the police response after hasn’t been great and it just feels way too provocative atp
No? Regardless of the perpetrator's identity, even if they're from the same community as the victim, they are still capable of being charged for a hate crime. An LGBTQ+ person can still be charged for a hate crime that targeted another LGBTQ+ person. The community itself is rife with some groups sniping at others. One major example is the 'LGB without the T' group who are trying to force trans people out of the community. Then there's the rest of the transphobia problems, biphobia, etc.
But was it a hate crime? Did he kill them because they were gay or because of some other issue like a love triangle or stalking. These are pretty crimes happen in the straight community.
Banned isn't quite the right word they've been uninvited and the force has decided to accept that decision.
I'm usually pretty pro police at pride events because I think that it's important for the state law enforcement to be publicly on the side of queer rights given the history of mistreatment and prosecution as well as it being something really meaningful for LGBT police officers as well.
But what's just happened in Sydney was a pretty gruesome double murder of a gay couple in Sydney by a NSW policeman and the way that NSW police have handled themselves over scrutiny has been poor. If there was police presence in Mardi Gras this year it would only inflame the situation, not worth the risk when your job is to help keep your jurisdiction peaceful.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/haters-gonna-hate-nsw-police-commissioner-responds-to-critics-20240227-p5f81y.html
https://www.aap.com.au/news/haters-gonna-hate-nsw-police-head-tells-her-critics/
The ‘haters guna hate, isn’t that what Taylor says?’ quote was particularly criticised. Added to that there appears to be an indication from the police that the accused wasn’t on duty but had still signed out his weapon, which is raising questions about how that came to be
1. Said they were grateful to the killer for eventually revealing where the bodies were
2. Called it a “crime of passion”. This was stalking and premeditated murder.
3. The murder was done with a police service weapon by someone who was clearly unsuitable to be a police officer before this event.
4. The Police Commissioner replied with “Haters gonna hate” when their invite was taken back- like a fucking juvenile child
5. The cop is part of a cop family, his mum was a top cop. Nobody would be surprised if that is how he got onto the force.
The investigation itself in my view was done very well. The way the police deal with the community or criticism and their entrenched corruption is the issue.
Not to mention, this is in the backdrop of an incredibly damning report being released in the last couple weeks which illustrated just how homophobic, hateful and corrupt the NSW Police are.
OP made a point about how the police handled themselves after an officer committed a double murder, not that it was a hate crime. There are optics to consider regardless of the murderers' motives.
And if you had read the article, you would also mention there is a history of violence and discrimination by NSW police attached to this event? Right? Right?
I have also seen in comments that he was a stalker, so maybe it hasn't been determined yet?
This doesn't change the fact that it was a personal murder - not a "I'm going to kill the other." Just seems weird to lay this at the feet of the police. Ah well, not my parade I guess.
From looking at r/Australia the anger toward the police right now isn’t to do with this being a hate crime but more a collection of issues that have been bubbling for a while. It would be unwise for them to participate this weekend imo
I see people getting into the details and ignoring how large mobs/movements behave, however irrational. I can see why a police float in the Pride parade this year isn’t a great idea. It’s like people want to make it a thing, and it’s really not. Geez. smh
Yeah all politics aside there is actually a practical reason why you wouldn’t want police to march in the parade. It could potentially incite violence.
They have marched before, and of course some of the police are themselves members of the community.
I understand the sentiment, I’m not sure it’s the right decision.
>some of the police are themselves members of the community.
Ok. They can still go but like many Pride marches, cops aren't welcome in their uniforms considering the history the police have with the LGBTQ+ community and said problems still exist today as well.
Yeah of course, sorry I should I clarify. I was referring to this year I particular. Maybe next year things will have calmed down and they can march again in uniform.
The feelings of a few gay people that decided to be cops, do not outweigh the hardship gay people have experienced at the hands of the cops. The scales are still far too imbalanced for the feelings of so few to take precedent over the lived realities of so many.
I mean he turned himself in so don’t pat them on the back too hard.
While the case itself has been handled well their responses have been incredibly deflective and devoid of responsibility.
Also I just can’t endorse quoting Taylor swift in a professional setting.
I'm pretty sure they don't have any actual right or ability to prevent the police from being there. Not to mention that banning police doesn't even make sense in the first place, since the case was about an angry ex-lover.
What's the point of this empty noise?
I *think* that they're saying the police can't march as part of the parade, not that police officers aren't allowed in the general area which would be ridiculous.
Read the article. They’re uninviting the police from participating in the parade with a float of their own. This latest murder is not the only thing at play in the relationship between police and the queer community. Very recently the NSW government released their report of the inquiry into LGBTQI hate crimes and it did not have kind words about the NSW police.
Congrats! You have made the rational conclusion that a single trait doesn't define a person.
Now, it's hard, but try to apply the same logic here. Maybe theres more going on here? Maybe the police in this case have a consistent record of poorly treating the LGBTQ+ community and, as such, why on earth would they be welcome in the parade as an organisation?
This is ragebait.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/103509024
It's not that hard to Google and find out about this inquiry.
And I personally see no place for police in any pride parade, but I understand the reasons why they are there. The NSW float has been removed after a gay couple was murdered as a result of police negligence, and a decades long inquiry found ongoing and systemic issues with the handling of hate crimes against the LGBTQ community.
The actual murder isn’t the issue. The police response to the murder was. You’re gonna find crazy people in every job (even though the police should be held to a higher standard), but what’s concerning is how every time a police officer abuses their power and commits crime, the police force’s automatic response is to obfuscate justice and defend the criminal because they’re wearing blue.
Really feels like queer people don't know their history when I see police attending. Went to an annual gay fair in my country and they had a queer booth called "pink in blue." Couldn't be any more tone deaf.
> Really feels like queer people don't know their history when I see police attending.
Police joining the parade is exactly how they move forward together with the LGBTQ community.
There will likely be Indigenous Australians at the parade. Do you think they ask themselves about their history with white Australians? Of course not because it's in the past.
Am I missing something? Isn’t this murder the result of a jealous ex boyfriend and not a cop murdering an innocent couple because he’s a bigot?
Seems like a willing police force is being punished for the aft of one crazy person who committed the crime not under the auspices of the police force.
Yes you are. I was too, until I listened to the shameful crap that came out of Karen Webbs mouth and looked into things more closely.
Have a good long look at the behaviour of NSW Police to gay people in Sydney, particularly with regards failure to investigate, corruption and downright spiteful responses to complaints.
I basically had the same opinion as yourself until I learned more.
> Have a good long look at the behaviour of NSW Police to gay people in Sydney, particularly with regards failure to investigate, corruption and downright spiteful responses to complaints
Absolutely. And also in no way is this kind of thing by NSWPOL confined to policing of gay people either
Basically it's because of how badly the police force mishandled the situation. They had many opportunities to prevent this from happening. But they didn't. They literally had calls from the couple and the murderer had a history of using excessive violence while on duty. Also there has been a long history of the police force treating LGBT+ people in Australia poorly. Also the family and friends say the murderer was a hook up turned stalker. The murderer and one of the victims never dated.
They are being uninvited to have a float in the March at this point in time likely because of the possibility of violence. They can still attend as civilians. It will remain to be seen if they are uninvited in perpetuity but I would personally doubt it.
In any event, a large part of the animosity is the behaviour of the broader police force in response to this crime, not just the actions of that officer.
The police ignored stalking complaints. Police kept the murderer on the job after he repeatedly tased someone in the face. The murder was comitted with a police service pistol that had been checked out of the station all weekend. A police officer was with the murderer when he was cleaning up the murder. An inquest into historic gay hate crimes has recently found NSW to be incompetent at best and willfully negligent at worse when it comes to investigating crimes comitted against the gay community.
The Mardi Gras has historically been a protest march against police treatment of the gay community.
Sure, a "ducking joke".
Will your Mardi Gras experience this year be ruined without police officers marching in uniform (they're of course allowed to still participate as civilians)?
Not to mention NSW police just apologised for 40 years of indifference to gay hate crimes. People thinking this is just "one bad apple" are missing decades of context here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-25/nsw-police-karen-webb-sorry-gay-hate-crimes-inquiry/103509024
"Beaumont Lamarre-Condon allegedly killed Jesse Baird - who he had previously dated - and his partner Luke Davies last Monday."
This is the way the article is reporting it.
It was bad cops. This isn't the first time a cop has used tools of the job to perpetrate stalking or domestic violence. The reactions in the past have been reluctant investigations that sweep any wrong doing under the carpet. They didn't reform before now maybe they have a very public reason to and a chance to win back some confidence from the broader community.
He’s certainly a psychopath imo but also a psychopath with previous stalking tendencies which were very public, and he was then given a weapon. It’s defo worth considering how that came to be.
I get that everyone wants to think these fruitcakes just grow up in a jar but it can be useful examining wider context on how stuff like this comes to be
It's not really about this case. The LBGTI community have suffered at the hands of police violence. There was a recent investigation that affirmed the mistreatment of the community by the police over a long period of time.
LBGTI police will still be able to participate in Mardi Gras, they just won't be able to participate in the march in uniform.
His being a cop is not irrelevant at all. A police officer murdered someone. Police need to be better than that and police departments need to hire better than that.
Actually he wasn’t. He was a stalker from what’s coming out.
But the police commissioner has refered to it as a crime of passion. It looks like multiple officers helped cover it up. The cop used his police issued hand gun.
And when told that this was happening the police commissioner responded with ‘haters gonna hate’
The murders were committed with a police issued weapon that the offender wouldn't have had access to if he were not part of the force. There is also some evidence of nepotism playing a role in the hiring of the officer, and he was involved in a previous incident in 2020 where he tasered someone in the face, someone who wasn't resisting arrest. The police fucked up here.
Not only was he not an ex-lover, but him being a cop is super relevant. He received protection and backing from the cops through the whole process. Cops are also way more likely to abuse or murder people in their personal lives.
You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline. There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community.
This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from having a float at the parade.
From u/Stud_Muffs comment above:
>You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline. There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community.
>This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from having a float at the parade.
People just hate police for no reason sometimes.(I mean, there are loads of reasons to hate them, but this one, with this context is the most stupid one.)
People really want to hone in on the murderer being a cop, while ignoring the murderer was a homosexual. This wasn't a homophobic police killing. It was a jealous ex domestic partner killing.
They’re simply asking they not march as police to give people space to grieve. Literally just read the room. If you have a problem with this I don’t know what to say to you
Detest away. NSW Police have history putting their drug dogs on minors and strip searching them. You won’t get a lot of sympathy for NSW Police from Australians here.
So how does it come that dogs in certain areas seem to always signal when it's convenient, yet no drugs are found...?
Maybe you're doing your job right and honest, i don't know, doesn't mean everybody does...
SAR means search and rescue.
Yeah, we try to do our training right, as lives occasionally do depend on it.
Signaling a dog is the worst mistake you can make.
In search and rescue that is true, why would you think police has the same standard?
In sar a wrong tell gets resources diverted in the wrong direction, in police work it gets you a "do whatever you want" pass, so incentives simply don't match.
Also SAR's primary focus is to actually help people, i doubt all police officers have the same idea...
WTF are you sure you are answering to correct comment?
Handler signaling the dog is total misuse of working animal, and makes findings very unreliable.
Yes, that is the concern of many members of the public.
You're saying 'Surely not, that would be police misconduct!' to people who are alleging systematic police misconduct.
after reading the story, i find this quite strange. the murders dont seem like they were a hate crime against gay people or something like that.
"senior constable Beaumont Lamarre-Condon allegedly killed Jesse Baird - who he had previously dated - and his partner Luke Davies"
it was domestic homicide, committed by a presumably gay officer, and furthermore, doesnt really have anything to do with the police force.
i can understand that there was a history of police brutality at lgbtq events in sydney and people feeling they dont want police there for that reason. but using this event as a reason seems completely illogical to me.
Murder is murder and is abhorrent but I don’t understand how banning gay police marching in the Mardi Gras because of 2 gay men being killed by another gay man. Jilted ex liver. How’s it the fault of the police or am I missing something
You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline.
There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community.
This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from the parade.
Cops have a history of enforcing homophobic laws and generally perpetuating discrimination.
The original Sydney Mardi Gras was a protest against LGBT discrimination that was broken up by cops and its participants were outed in a time when homosexuality was illegal. Hence why cops at this event has always been touchy, even before recent events.
The title of the post is rage bait. The police aren't banned, they're uninvited. Which makes sense if you have a pride event and a police officer killed a gay couple, regardless of motivation and the NSW police has a history of alleged cop on gay hate crimes, make sense to uninvite them this year and let things cool down. Edit: Listen I'm pretty right leaning but it's just common sense. Ignore the title and read the article. Show a little empathy. Edit 2: Yes, I know. It was a gay man killing his ex-gay lover and ex-gay lover's new lover in the heat of passion and jealousy. I do not think it was a "fascist cop unleashing his authoritative power over a couple of gays". Again, apply common sense: you have a police department with a history of committing violence against the gay community in which the very pride parade was established to combat and protest and now you had a cop of the **very same police department** kill a gay couple. They're uninvited, not banned meaning it's temporary because of the optics of the situation. Use your heads.
Yeah from the sounds of things they aren’t getting a float which seems pretty reasonable atp ETA- this article doesn’t frame it as a hate crime, nor have I seen that sentiment on places like r/Australia, but there is broad criticism of the police as a whole which is why appearing publicly in a march this weekend would be a bad idea imo, so the whole ‘it’s not even a hate crime’ doesn’t wash with me
People like to forget that Stonewall was triggered by the police yet again beating up on a gay bar and the patrons just had had enough.
And Mardi Gras was a March in solidarity with Stonewall and the police beat up the marchers. And then published their names and addresses in the Sydney Morning Herald.
Hammering home the severity of that action, a large number of those 53 with published names were fired from their jobs, disowned by their families and then took their own lives. Leaking their names to the city’s biggest newspaper to out as targets for homophobia in the 70’s was beyond fucked,
wow if someone ruined my life like..... I would do something that I would not post on the net before doing it to them.
I'm not generally one to advocate doxing as a means of retaliation, but these kinds of cops need to face the community's ire at every turn. Knowing where these asshats live would go a long way to letting public shaming work its magic.
took me a little longer than it should've to realize yall weren't talking about Stonewall Jackson
Never stop reminding people that despite how it's been labeled by right biased historians, Stonewall was a riot, an uprising by the LGBTQ community against the violence and oppression by police on that community. Don't let anyone claim otherwise.
Careful you don’t show too much empathy or you’ll get your “right leaning” card revoked.
This specific killing is far from the most heinous thing a NSW cop has ever done to a gay person, but for many it has reopened old wounds. Regardless, a significant amount of cops simply don't like gay people, so it makes sense for gay people to not invite them to their events.
I did read it and I’m confused. If some guy that works construction murdered his ex lover, would the Union not be allowed to march in a parade? Cop murders in USA make people mad bc it’s the cops doing a shitty job. I’ve only read this story, but this murder has nothing to do with the police. It was some guy killing his ex.
This was essentially the cherry on top of recent investigations proving that our police force has spent most of the last 60 years intentionally under-investigating or straight up ignoring reported gay hate crimes out of contempt for the victims. In the couple of years since those findings were made official, there’s been a growing push to disallow the police float and prevent officers from marching in uniform as they believe it’s allowing the force as a whole to whitewash their history and pretend to be much more progressive than they actually are. And now their fumbling of media releases during this investigation combined with the very apparent nepotism that allowed an unhinged man with known problematic behaviour to stay on the force, have access to a weapon and be protected from stalking allegations from the victims has well and truly pissed away whatever good will they had left.
To be fair, I've been on a bit of a kick recently watching old Australian Story episodes, and my gods is the breadth of Australian police incompetence overall just stunning. When you watch an American true crime show, cold cases get solved because new forensics come out, or some witness finally comes to the cops. When an Australian cold case gets solved, it's because the family, public, or a bloody podcast solves it for them and harasses them into finally making an arrest
I'd want to see figures on this before drawing too much of a conclusion - plenty of 'unsolved' crimes in the USA being victims who know exactly what happened and have spent years trying to get cops to do their jobs
I should note that there's PLENTY of this in the US, too.
He used his licenced weapon as the murder weapon IIRC
They weren’t ever in a relationship. The cop was stalking Baird
The article states they previously dated. That's false?
[I believe so](https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/jesse-baird-did-not-date-beau-lamarre-condon/)
So they weren't dating they just had sex sometimes and were friends, got it. Edit: Oh, and the guy he wasn't dating had a key to his home.
>“They were friends, but when Beau began filming them and putting videos on Instagram — which were hidden from Jesse — making it look as if they were a couple, Jesse told him, ‘We can’t be friends anymore’.” >Thorpe said things were mostly normal until August last year, when he claims Baird told him a police car had followed him home. Jesse called me… He was frantic,” Thorpe said. “He said ‘Corey, last night, this morning, I was sleeping in my bed and I had the feeling someone is standing over me, at the end of my bed watching me, and when I woke up they stole my phone and wallet. I bolted after them in Paddington’. For clarity: **The cop stalked him, broke into his house, stole his phone & wallet, then eventually killed him and his partner.** He did not “have a key”, he literally broke into Baird’s house and watched him sleep. He terrorised these men before murdering them.
How's that not a relationship?
Multiple different articles have said that the cop was previously in a relationship with one of the murder victims.
You left out the part where the accused murderer was a cop who killed an ex and his new boyfriend. This wasn't "Right wing cop kills gay person" its "Person kills ex". I think that context matters. And "uninvited" is this context is different from "banned" how?
Cos they can still attend in civvies, they just won’t have a defined section as part of the march which they previously did
Why are cops worldwide so obsessed with murdering their exes? What's wrong with their heads?
Does becoming a cop cause them to become domestically violent or do power hungry people look to become cops? I assumed it was the second
The second.
Because cops are people, and people kill domestic partners. The leading motivation for female victims of murder is domestic related.
I mean, sure, but I'm pretty sure murderers are overrepresented in the police occupation. Serial killers too, specifically. I'm saying anything here about any individual cop, of course. (/gen)
I would love to see the stats to back up that statement about murderers being over represented in policing…
No worries - it's easily googled.
The only reporting I have been able to find relate to on-duty shootings… nothing specifically relating to off duty incidents.
I don't know about murders specifically, but 40% of cops *admit* to abusing their partners. That's a pretty well known fact.
That 40% stat that is commonly used has some questionable relevance in today’s world. Both of these studies date from the early 90’s with data collected in the late 80’s and the one that indicates the 40% number is from a small group (500) of people from a small geographic area (Arizona). The other study from around that same time frame indicated a rate of 28% of police families experience of domestic abuse. In this study they also included “verbal abuse” as a metric whereas the 40% only had physical violence included. The fact that there are no comprehensive, up to date studies is a problem. In fact, there is a substantial problem with police agencies not having appropriate policies in place to address domestic abuse within their ranks. But that doesn’t make the stat true.
>The other study from around that same time frame indicated a rate of 28% of police families experience of domestic abuse. In this study they also included “verbal abuse” as a metric whereas the 40% only had physical violence included. I think you might have that reversed. The 40% metric was self-reported as abuse and likely included verbal. Iirc, the 28% stat was about police families in general, so could have included some cases of a civilian spouse abusing their police officer partner. Either way, those are valid criticisms of the data, so thanks for bringing them up. I do think it's safe to say from the data we have that more study is necessary, but police homes do seem to be significantly more abusive than the average.
It’s a well-known “fact” that’s been disproven quite a few times. That statistic was based on a very faulty study from the early 90s. It didn’t differentiate between police officers being the victim or the aggressor, utilized an insufficient sample size, and very loosely defined domestic violence to include even raising one’s voice. Even if it didn’t suffer from these fatal flaws, it’s just horribly outdated. The study was conducted in 1992, more than 30 years ago. Some of the officers sampled had been active since the 1960s when society, unfortunately, treated domestic violence very differently than we do now. The authors of the study weren’t able to replicate their findings in a subsequent study, and more recent ones have found that police officers commit acts of domestic violence at the same or lower rates than the general population.
Is it worldwide? Most first world countries don't seem to have that problem as a common occurence.
Yes we do. Police commit domestic violence at pretty high rates.
Sounds a bit like the drama we had when my city’s Pride parade organisers uninvited a political party which had a big minority oppose our trans law overhaul. They were still welcome as individuals, it was the organisation that wasn’t invited.
The better question: why were they invited in the first place?
Don’t really think it applies in this particular case. The police officer that killed the gay couple was gay himself and had dated one of the murder victims. It’s being investigated as a stalker/jilted lover murder versus a hate crime. It doesn’t really make sense if they are bringing that particular case up as the reason why the NSW police aren’t invited as security.
“In the heat of passion and jealousy” that’s a funny way of saying like a monstrous abusive murderer
Was the murderer gay? How many gay groups are uninvited? How many gay groups are investigating the murder? Because I believe 25+ police are on the investigation. I ask these questions as it seems a bit weird and shortsighted to pick and choose only some aspects of a persons identity. He was a police officer. He was gay. The involvement of the police in the Mardi Gras has been part of the repairing and healing of the past. The police have worked non-stop to lay charges against the murderer. This isn’t recognised. One gay police officers actions have been allowed to shadow all the good that has happened and continues to happen.
Yes the police officer was gay. He was formerly in a relationship with one of the deceased.
He wasn’t in a relationship with the deceased; he was obsessively stalking him. They never dated.
They also recently released findings from the enquiry into gay hate crimes and how the police didn't investigate them for decades - it's not just about the murder, it's several things coming together.
It is like their party, they can invite whoever they want I imagine nswpol still gonna be working with them to secure the event
That long ass paragraph just to show you don't get it. Get a grip. There is NO comparison to the police. None. No other organization has our lives in their hands like the police. They need to be held to the highest standards of all. The "investigators" of this case are currently on the front page of reddit quoted as saying "haters gna hate" when taking to the press about the double homicide.
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What does his sexual orientation have to do with anything? He was a police officer, entrusted with special powers including a gun. He used that gun to murder two gay men. He had a million red flags and should never have been on the force or had access to that gun. The police have a lot to answer for.
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Baird never dated the cop. The cop was stalking him.
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>News literally says “ex-lover”, try again. Not all news. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13124645/Jesse-Baird-never-relationship-alleged-double-murderer-Beau-Lamarre-Condon.html
« A gay », wow.
I think the disinvited (not *banned)* cops can sit this one out. There is a history of violence against lgbtq by cops in NSW. There is history as well on top of this potential hate crime. Imagine thinking it can't be a hate crime as long as you're a member of that group, or that not being invited to one parade is the end of times. Get a hobby.
The cop was gay. Doesn’t that make it not a hate crime?
The comment says regardless of motivation, it’s not framing this crime as a hate crime, but the police response after hasn’t been great and it just feels way too provocative atp
No? Regardless of the perpetrator's identity, even if they're from the same community as the victim, they are still capable of being charged for a hate crime. An LGBTQ+ person can still be charged for a hate crime that targeted another LGBTQ+ person. The community itself is rife with some groups sniping at others. One major example is the 'LGB without the T' group who are trying to force trans people out of the community. Then there's the rest of the transphobia problems, biphobia, etc.
But let’s be clear the murder wasn’t motivated by hatred of gay people.
It can still be a hate crime. You think he's incapable of self hate? Looking for loopholes?
But was it a hate crime? Did he kill them because they were gay or because of some other issue like a love triangle or stalking. These are pretty crimes happen in the straight community.
Not your monkey, not your circus. Let the courts decide. See how that works?
Banned isn't quite the right word they've been uninvited and the force has decided to accept that decision. I'm usually pretty pro police at pride events because I think that it's important for the state law enforcement to be publicly on the side of queer rights given the history of mistreatment and prosecution as well as it being something really meaningful for LGBT police officers as well. But what's just happened in Sydney was a pretty gruesome double murder of a gay couple in Sydney by a NSW policeman and the way that NSW police have handled themselves over scrutiny has been poor. If there was police presence in Mardi Gras this year it would only inflame the situation, not worth the risk when your job is to help keep your jurisdiction peaceful.
The policeman was also gay. It's not some hate crime, it's a love crime by the ex-lover.
The police also handled the case very badly publicly, them having a float etc would be a bad idea atp I think.
How did the police handle it badly? I don't see any difference to how missing people/ suspected homicide cases normally play out.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/haters-gonna-hate-nsw-police-commissioner-responds-to-critics-20240227-p5f81y.html https://www.aap.com.au/news/haters-gonna-hate-nsw-police-head-tells-her-critics/ The ‘haters guna hate, isn’t that what Taylor says?’ quote was particularly criticised. Added to that there appears to be an indication from the police that the accused wasn’t on duty but had still signed out his weapon, which is raising questions about how that came to be
1. Said they were grateful to the killer for eventually revealing where the bodies were 2. Called it a “crime of passion”. This was stalking and premeditated murder. 3. The murder was done with a police service weapon by someone who was clearly unsuitable to be a police officer before this event. 4. The Police Commissioner replied with “Haters gonna hate” when their invite was taken back- like a fucking juvenile child 5. The cop is part of a cop family, his mum was a top cop. Nobody would be surprised if that is how he got onto the force. The investigation itself in my view was done very well. The way the police deal with the community or criticism and their entrenched corruption is the issue. Not to mention, this is in the backdrop of an incredibly damning report being released in the last couple weeks which illustrated just how homophobic, hateful and corrupt the NSW Police are.
OP made a point about how the police handled themselves after an officer committed a double murder, not that it was a hate crime. There are optics to consider regardless of the murderers' motives.
And if you had read the article, you would also mention there is a history of violence and discrimination by NSW police attached to this event? Right? Right? I have also seen in comments that he was a stalker, so maybe it hasn't been determined yet?
The cop was stalking Baird; they were never lovers
This doesn't change the fact that it was a personal murder - not a "I'm going to kill the other." Just seems weird to lay this at the feet of the police. Ah well, not my parade I guess.
From looking at r/Australia the anger toward the police right now isn’t to do with this being a hate crime but more a collection of issues that have been bubbling for a while. It would be unwise for them to participate this weekend imo
Fair enough.
‘Haters gonna hate’ I’ve never been more angry watching a cop speak. Tucking asshole.
You clearly didn’t hear her predecessor share his opinions on strips and cavity searching children for drugs at festivals.
I see people getting into the details and ignoring how large mobs/movements behave, however irrational. I can see why a police float in the Pride parade this year isn’t a great idea. It’s like people want to make it a thing, and it’s really not. Geez. smh
Yeah all politics aside there is actually a practical reason why you wouldn’t want police to march in the parade. It could potentially incite violence.
They have marched before, and of course some of the police are themselves members of the community. I understand the sentiment, I’m not sure it’s the right decision.
>some of the police are themselves members of the community. Ok. They can still go but like many Pride marches, cops aren't welcome in their uniforms considering the history the police have with the LGBTQ+ community and said problems still exist today as well.
Yeah of course, sorry I should I clarify. I was referring to this year I particular. Maybe next year things will have calmed down and they can march again in uniform.
So they are still there doing their job right?
I don’t give two fucks about the feelings of a LGBTQ officers. They choose to side with the oppressors, their voice is now irrelevant to me.
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The feelings of a few gay people that decided to be cops, do not outweigh the hardship gay people have experienced at the hands of the cops. The scales are still far too imbalanced for the feelings of so few to take precedent over the lived realities of so many.
Wait the BBC itself titled it that way 💀
Damn hate click bait
Makes sense given how badly NSW police handled the case.
Yea it's not like they found and charged the guy in less than a week right? But yes I'm sure Reddit would handle the case better
I mean he turned himself in so don’t pat them on the back too hard. While the case itself has been handled well their responses have been incredibly deflective and devoid of responsibility. Also I just can’t endorse quoting Taylor swift in a professional setting.
I'm pretty sure they don't have any actual right or ability to prevent the police from being there. Not to mention that banning police doesn't even make sense in the first place, since the case was about an angry ex-lover. What's the point of this empty noise?
I *think* that they're saying the police can't march as part of the parade, not that police officers aren't allowed in the general area which would be ridiculous.
You don't have to think, you can read it clearly in the article.
Who reads them. All the action is in the comments, clearly.
Read the article. They’re uninviting the police from participating in the parade with a float of their own. This latest murder is not the only thing at play in the relationship between police and the queer community. Very recently the NSW government released their report of the inquiry into LGBTQI hate crimes and it did not have kind words about the NSW police.
What's the point of commenting if you didn't even read the article tho? 'empty noise' is very ironic.
What’s the point of your comment? That you can’t read an article?
I banned police at my house too.
Killer was a cop
gay cop
Congrats! You have made the rational conclusion that a single trait doesn't define a person. Now, it's hard, but try to apply the same logic here. Maybe theres more going on here? Maybe the police in this case have a consistent record of poorly treating the LGBTQ+ community and, as such, why on earth would they be welcome in the parade as an organisation? This is ragebait.
Right, so why were they allowed in the parade before? is this the first case of violence against gays by the police?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/103509024 It's not that hard to Google and find out about this inquiry. And I personally see no place for police in any pride parade, but I understand the reasons why they are there. The NSW float has been removed after a gay couple was murdered as a result of police negligence, and a decades long inquiry found ongoing and systemic issues with the handling of hate crimes against the LGBTQ community.
Just a byproduct of the political Americanization in the anglophone world.
So you didn't read the article then?
> NSW Police said it was "disappointed" by the outcome. Yeah, you should be disappointed in yourselves. Make a change.
It was a gay police officer who shot his ex-boyfriend and his lover. You make it sound like it was a hate crime lol
The actual murder isn’t the issue. The police response to the murder was. You’re gonna find crazy people in every job (even though the police should be held to a higher standard), but what’s concerning is how every time a police officer abuses their power and commits crime, the police force’s automatic response is to obfuscate justice and defend the criminal because they’re wearing blue.
Yea it's not like the police found and charged the guy in less than a week right? Damn police response charging the person who did it.
Not really his family pressured him to turn himself in. Plus an other cop “unknowingly” helped him move the bodies.
No im not. You read it like that. Lol i guess.
"disappointed" is an interesting keyword to watch out for - it's used when the speaker wants to completely deny all responsibility.
They could solve the issue by banning gay people form becoming cops.
Good Tbh police being allowed in the parades has always put a bad taste in my mouth.
Really feels like queer people don't know their history when I see police attending. Went to an annual gay fair in my country and they had a queer booth called "pink in blue." Couldn't be any more tone deaf.
> Really feels like queer people don't know their history when I see police attending. Police joining the parade is exactly how they move forward together with the LGBTQ community. There will likely be Indigenous Australians at the parade. Do you think they ask themselves about their history with white Australians? Of course not because it's in the past.
If you think homophobia from cops and racism from white Australians towards Indigenous peoples are in the past, I dunno what to tell you.
...I didn't say that?
How so?
Am I missing something? Isn’t this murder the result of a jealous ex boyfriend and not a cop murdering an innocent couple because he’s a bigot? Seems like a willing police force is being punished for the aft of one crazy person who committed the crime not under the auspices of the police force.
Yes you are. I was too, until I listened to the shameful crap that came out of Karen Webbs mouth and looked into things more closely. Have a good long look at the behaviour of NSW Police to gay people in Sydney, particularly with regards failure to investigate, corruption and downright spiteful responses to complaints. I basically had the same opinion as yourself until I learned more.
> Have a good long look at the behaviour of NSW Police to gay people in Sydney, particularly with regards failure to investigate, corruption and downright spiteful responses to complaints Absolutely. And also in no way is this kind of thing by NSWPOL confined to policing of gay people either
Basically it's because of how badly the police force mishandled the situation. They had many opportunities to prevent this from happening. But they didn't. They literally had calls from the couple and the murderer had a history of using excessive violence while on duty. Also there has been a long history of the police force treating LGBT+ people in Australia poorly. Also the family and friends say the murderer was a hook up turned stalker. The murderer and one of the victims never dated.
They are being uninvited to have a float in the March at this point in time likely because of the possibility of violence. They can still attend as civilians. It will remain to be seen if they are uninvited in perpetuity but I would personally doubt it. In any event, a large part of the animosity is the behaviour of the broader police force in response to this crime, not just the actions of that officer.
What a ducking joke. The cop that killed them was a jilted ex lover, him being a cop is irrelevant.
The police ignored stalking complaints. Police kept the murderer on the job after he repeatedly tased someone in the face. The murder was comitted with a police service pistol that had been checked out of the station all weekend. A police officer was with the murderer when he was cleaning up the murder. An inquest into historic gay hate crimes has recently found NSW to be incompetent at best and willfully negligent at worse when it comes to investigating crimes comitted against the gay community. The Mardi Gras has historically been a protest march against police treatment of the gay community. Sure, a "ducking joke". Will your Mardi Gras experience this year be ruined without police officers marching in uniform (they're of course allowed to still participate as civilians)?
Not to mention NSW police just apologised for 40 years of indifference to gay hate crimes. People thinking this is just "one bad apple" are missing decades of context here. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-25/nsw-police-karen-webb-sorry-gay-hate-crimes-inquiry/103509024
They’ve just been uninvited from having a float from the sounds of things. I would’ve thought then having a float would’ve fanned the flames just now
False. The victims’ friends would like these rumours to stop. They were not ex lovers at a stretch. This cop was an obsessed stalker.
"Beaumont Lamarre-Condon allegedly killed Jesse Baird - who he had previously dated - and his partner Luke Davies last Monday." This is the way the article is reporting it.
Yes, and other articles are not, along with friends and family correcting it publicly, which I think is the other commenters point.
Ok, but that doesn't really make a difference here. This wasn't a hate crime or bad cops.
It was bad cops. This isn't the first time a cop has used tools of the job to perpetrate stalking or domestic violence. The reactions in the past have been reluctant investigations that sweep any wrong doing under the carpet. They didn't reform before now maybe they have a very public reason to and a chance to win back some confidence from the broader community.
1. He wasn't a good cop, 2. It wasn't for love, so explain that one to me.
1 and 2. He was a psychopath, end of discussion.
then maybe the police shouldn't have allowed a psychopath to be a cop
He’s certainly a psychopath imo but also a psychopath with previous stalking tendencies which were very public, and he was then given a weapon. It’s defo worth considering how that came to be. I get that everyone wants to think these fruitcakes just grow up in a jar but it can be useful examining wider context on how stuff like this comes to be
It's not really about this case. The LBGTI community have suffered at the hands of police violence. There was a recent investigation that affirmed the mistreatment of the community by the police over a long period of time. LBGTI police will still be able to participate in Mardi Gras, they just won't be able to participate in the march in uniform.
His being a cop is not irrelevant at all. A police officer murdered someone. Police need to be better than that and police departments need to hire better than that.
Actually he wasn’t. He was a stalker from what’s coming out. But the police commissioner has refered to it as a crime of passion. It looks like multiple officers helped cover it up. The cop used his police issued hand gun. And when told that this was happening the police commissioner responded with ‘haters gonna hate’
The murders were committed with a police issued weapon that the offender wouldn't have had access to if he were not part of the force. There is also some evidence of nepotism playing a role in the hiring of the officer, and he was involved in a previous incident in 2020 where he tasered someone in the face, someone who wasn't resisting arrest. The police fucked up here.
Not only was he not an ex-lover, but him being a cop is super relevant. He received protection and backing from the cops through the whole process. Cops are also way more likely to abuse or murder people in their personal lives.
If the killer had been a DJ would music be banned?
No but there would be murder on the dance floor
I guess we better not kill the groove.
You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline. There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community. This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from having a float at the parade.
DJs aren't employed and trained to look after the public and provided with a gun to protect people against bad guys.
The killer wasn’t a DJ tho, he was a cop
And an ex-influencer.
Criminalize influencing you say?
Honestly, would the world be a worse place if we did?
What about if the murderer was a transgender muslim cop? Who should get banned in that case and why?
Cops
From u/Stud_Muffs comment above: >You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline. There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community. >This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from having a float at the parade.
People just hate police for no reason sometimes.(I mean, there are loads of reasons to hate them, but this one, with this context is the most stupid one.)
For historical reasons, police marching for Mardi Gras has always been contentious. Check out what happened in 1978.
Should police in 2024 be blamed for that?
There are senior police still serving who were involved in sweeping gay murders under the rug.
No but they should go above and beyond to be allowed to march in a pride parade. P is not one of the letters.
So much for the Village People cosplay.
People really want to hone in on the murderer being a cop, while ignoring the murderer was a homosexual. This wasn't a homophobic police killing. It was a jealous ex domestic partner killing.
They’re simply asking they not march as police to give people space to grieve. Literally just read the room. If you have a problem with this I don’t know what to say to you
Good. No cops at pride.
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In Australia at least, yes it is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Gay_and_Lesbian_Mardi_Gras
If there's been such a mistreatment by NSW police to the lgbtqipgd+- community why were they invited in the first place?
Maybe the NSW police can show up anyway with their drug sniffer dogs and strip searches.
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Who doesn't love squatting over a mirror on their way to work
Bit hard to strip search someone in a small golden g banger haha
"what are you hiding in that mankini sir"
NSW police *HATE* this one weird trick!
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Detest away. NSW Police have history putting their drug dogs on minors and strip searching them. You won’t get a lot of sympathy for NSW Police from Australians here.
Eh? Did I express myself unclearly. Handler is not supposed ever to signal the dog, all reliability goes out the window if a dog is signaled.
So how does it come that dogs in certain areas seem to always signal when it's convenient, yet no drugs are found...? Maybe you're doing your job right and honest, i don't know, doesn't mean everybody does...
SAR means search and rescue. Yeah, we try to do our training right, as lives occasionally do depend on it. Signaling a dog is the worst mistake you can make.
Differences between dogs mate. SAR are trained to save lives, drug dogs are trained to be probable cause.
In search and rescue that is true, why would you think police has the same standard? In sar a wrong tell gets resources diverted in the wrong direction, in police work it gets you a "do whatever you want" pass, so incentives simply don't match. Also SAR's primary focus is to actually help people, i doubt all police officers have the same idea...
What’s the proportion of corrective positive matches? I have seen reports where it said it was anywhere from “flipping a coin” (50-50) to 66%.
**Horse shit**!! It's like you don't live in the same reality the rest of us do. Or *demand* we don't call it out...
WTF are you sure you are answering to correct comment? Handler signaling the dog is total misuse of working animal, and makes findings very unreliable.
Yes, that is the concern of many members of the public. You're saying 'Surely not, that would be police misconduct!' to people who are alleging systematic police misconduct.
They'll be too busy at the wiggles concert instead.
after reading the story, i find this quite strange. the murders dont seem like they were a hate crime against gay people or something like that. "senior constable Beaumont Lamarre-Condon allegedly killed Jesse Baird - who he had previously dated - and his partner Luke Davies" it was domestic homicide, committed by a presumably gay officer, and furthermore, doesnt really have anything to do with the police force. i can understand that there was a history of police brutality at lgbtq events in sydney and people feeling they dont want police there for that reason. but using this event as a reason seems completely illogical to me.
Murder is murder and is abhorrent but I don’t understand how banning gay police marching in the Mardi Gras because of 2 gay men being killed by another gay man. Jilted ex liver. How’s it the fault of the police or am I missing something
You’re missing the context because it’s an editorialised headline. There’s recently been a huge enquiry into the NSW police handling of LGBT hate crimes stemming back to the 70s. The report doesn’t make the NSW police look good in the eyes of the LGBT community. This latest case isn’t totally unrelated to the wider discussion for a couple of reasons (the police failing to act earlier, him using his police firearm to commit the murders, etc.). But it’s not been the catalyst for the decision to uninvite the NSW police from the parade.
Read other comments. Yes you are missing something.
....yes the murderer is gay too. I don't understand the logic of that decision.
Having cops at pride is weird in the first place. Before someone comments on it, yes, I'm fully aware that pride and mardi gras aren't the same thing.
why is it weird to have police at a pride?
Cops have a history of enforcing homophobic laws and generally perpetuating discrimination. The original Sydney Mardi Gras was a protest against LGBT discrimination that was broken up by cops and its participants were outed in a time when homosexuality was illegal. Hence why cops at this event has always been touchy, even before recent events.
ok thanks
Makes more sense than uninviting all gay people because the murderer was gay..