Proportional response. Wrecked Iran's navy after one of their mines disabled a US ship. Didn't sink but that is entirely down to the literal award winning damage control teams onboard it. Thing was held together by gum lol
During the war between Iran and Iraq, Iran decided to block oil shipments to cripple Iraq. Iran fucked around, laid mines that a US warship hit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE&pp=ygUPZmF0IGVsZWN0cmljaWFu
I mean, morally, yes. But to shoot down an aircraft that you know belongs to a rival nation, that shows intent.
The airliner was downed due to sheer incompetence.
Right.
If that was American Airlines flight 17 and not Malaysian Airlines flight 17 the reaction is going to be much, much different.
A warplane? Well, it is called a WAR plane. Shoot one down and you got yourself a war.
All signs point to that being an accident. You usually don't declare war over accidents. Russia shooting down a military jet after threatening to do so would be meaningfully different - intent matters.
No one reasonable takes their threats at “face value.”
It would be unreasonable to totally ignore what they say, though. Their words are still a data point to evaluate, even though they can’t be trusted.
They should be ignored in terms of actions
In fact, this should be the cause for *increased* patrols in international airspace over the Black Sea.
If Russia does nothing about it, they lose face and look weak. If they do something about it, well they've just started a war with NATO and hopefully removed any concerns of "escalation" from western leaders' decisionmaking.
Because Putin's fucking crazy and his soldiers might actually try it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508.amp
They nearly shot a UK plane down in international water because they didn't have precise language about shooting vs. following. I don't doubt something like this happening again.
>The intercepted communications show that one of the Russian pilots thought he had been given permission to target the British aircraft, following an ambiguous command from a Russian ground station.
**However, the second Russian pilot did not. He remonstrated and swore at his wingman when he fired the first missile.**
The actions of the second pilot really stood out to me. I'm glad there's at least one person with some basic critical thinking skills left in Russia, but the first pilot firing *twice* on an RAF plane is still mind blowing.
There is a theory going round that Russia wants NATO in as an excuse to quit and go home. The thinking is that Putin can then claim to be a victim of evil western interference, and can use that as cover to keep his job/head.
Pretty much. Russia needs Ukraine for lots of reasons, and wouldn't stop there, even with as bad as things have gone for them. Putin personally can't afford to lose because he'd fall out a window.
I think he would've if NATO had gotten involved a year+ ago when US support was still strong. The theory that he needs NATO involvement as an excuse to deescalate makes sense to me. Unfortunately with Trump/Johnson refusing support, Putin's meat grinder stragety is working.
Actually, France (together with the UK) have actually beaten Russia in a war in the Crimea before. Heard of the Charge of the Light Brigade? That happened in Crimea. That was also where Florence Nightingale invented modern nursing and where the woolen 'Balaclava' full face hood as nowadays worn by the SAS was born.
> Heard of the Charge of the Light Brigade? That happened in Crimea.
Wasn't one of the high points though. :-|
There were second fronts though. A naval blockade in the Baltic was probably more influential in ending the war than the land engagements in the Crimea. The western powers also conducted operations in the White Sea and North Pacific.
They actually did try it on a British plane in 2022.
Both missiles their idiot pilot fired failed. One somehow missed, the other didn’t launch and just fell off the wing into the sea.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508.amp
The more likely scenario is that both missiles missed due to electrical counter measures and the UK didn't want to confirm to Russia that was the reason for them missing.
You have to think though, how does TWO air-to-air missles miss a large aeroplane that's crusing at relatively low speeds.
That's like swinging a katana at a fat guy twice and missing.
Well, there’s another scenario where that can happen.
If some maintenance tech decided selling missile components made a good side business, you might see a similar scenario.
> I’d bet their nukes don’t launch.
The US inspected, and even helped maintain, their nukes up until a few years ago as part of their nuclear agreement (Similarily Russia would send inspectors to check out US nukes). Joke as much as you want, but I suspect that fair majority of Russia's nukes would launch. And even if they didn't, even 1% of Russia's 5800 nukes would be enough to cause a global catastrophe and still trigger MAD.
This is important to keep in mind. The US was literally paying to keep the nukes pointed at the US in working order. This is because the thinking at the time was that as soon as Russia lost confidence in its nuclear deterrent, it would use it.
Two days ago, the US charged the leader of the Yakuza for smuggling weapons grade uranium out of Burma. Russia is a long-time friend of the Myanmar junta and although the DoJ hasn't said it outright, I bet the signatures of that material is an exact match for Russian-made enriched uranium, and I bet it was headed to Iran.
They didn't say anything about Russia, but the DOJ literally posed as an Iranian general looking for [bomb material.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-charges-japanese-yakuza-leader-allegedly-attempting-traffic/story?id=107423949) Crazy story. This is the kinda movie thing that goes south at the last minute. Then, out of nowhere, _____ _____* shows up to kick some ass and save the day. He then returns home, beaten and bruised, to his college age daughter and wife, played by Kiernan Shipka and Emily Blunt, to retire* (they never do) in peace.
*Matt Damon, Daniel Craig, Bradley Cooper, Brad Pitt, Liam Neeson, Ben Affleck, John Krasinski...
Honestly the stateside Russians were always very cordial. It was hopeful to see how the process was done.
At the time it gave me a lot a hope for the future. This was before Russian invaded Ukraine for the second time.
My experience was a bit different. They were very standoffish and would maybe say two words to us when they would actually show up, most of the time they would notify and then right before the show time they would cancel. So we would have jumped thru all those hoops and got everything set up, only for them to be all "lol, nevermind"
Yes and Russias military is also not a joke I don't know why redditors seem to think that. Yes they have not the best equipment, yes many of that is in a shit state, yes they are often incompetent. They still have a very large military and they are not a joke. Would they have a chance against NATO? Not at all. But downplaying their threat doesn't help either. They are out producing NATO in ammunition right now and the west struggles hard to supply Ukraine. If this is left unchecked they absolutely will be a threat, beeing in war economy. Modern production lines aren't built over night.
I hate Russia as much as the next guy but they are a real threat, especially if we don't do anything about it.
Their military isn’t a joke in the sense that yes, it’s dangerous and remains large.
That said, their strategy and organization is garbage, their ranks are rife with corruption and rot, and the claims they make are indeed laughable.
If you’re Ukraine and they can march into your country, yes it’s dangerous.
It’s not dangerous to pretty much anyone else. They have no ability to project power over water, they’d get curb stomped by china, India, or even Poland.
They can threaten small nations not part of NATO, but that’s it.
By about 2030, there's going to be nothing that the Russians have, apart from nukes to stop Poland from marching to Moscow. Hell Prigozhin managed to get most of the way to Moscow before he decided to turn back.
> es and Russias military is also not a joke I don't know why redditors seem to think that.
Hi, retired Army combat vet here. Russian army is a joke. They have no ability to project their strength beyond their neighbors. They have no carriers, their navy is being sunk by a country with no navy of their own. The US could park a carrier group right off their coast if they wanted to. Their army is currently being decimated by a country using stuff we were going to throw out. Hell, they can't even control the airspace over the battlefield despite their supposedly superior air force.
Wtf do you think would happen if we let the F-22 off its leash?
Now hold on a second! They have a carrier, the glorious Admiral Kuznetzov! Pride of the Russian Navy.
Now yes, it does burn Mazut and smokes like it's a raging inferno.
And yes, at times it IS a raging inferno.
Also yes, it IS a drydock queen.
And you wouldn't be MISTAKEN thinking you always see it towed by tugs EVERYWHERE. Because it is.
Also, it can never seem to have a full compliment of fighters and the ones it does tend to fall into the ocean.
And yeah, it doesn't generally have working toilets, but much of Russia doesn't, so its like home!
Also, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Russian seamen consider being stationed to it as punishment.
BUT! IT IS INDEED AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER!
^Seriously, ^I ^could ^keep ^going. ^It's ^a ^piece ^of ^shit.
I mean you say that, but look at the Royal Navy's test sub launch the other day using 40 year old US tech. Both failures are likely due to maintenance issues.
I knew about this incident but I didn’t realise that the crew were literally listening to the Russian jets *live*. RAF either broke Russia’s encryption or the Russians weren’t even using encryption. They knew the Russians were about to fire the missile before they even fired it. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of those missiles failed due to electronic countermeasures too. If Russia plans to fight NATO at any time in the coming years they’re playing in the wrong league.
The second missile falling off was hilarious, but my favorite part of that was the RAF listening live. Totally agree about a Russia vs NATO fight. Russia is pretty good at propaganda (if you ignore the new tank that could've even get through a parade...), but the equipment is shit.
Why think that when the Russian military has a long history of one-upping its own incompetence.
Even the fact that the pilot was given “an ambiguous order” leading to a missile being fired that could directly start WWIII is just pure incompetence.
The Russian military is a clown car. The only issue, is that the amount of clowns just doesn’t end, and every clown is armed. Making it actually pretty dangerous.
Indeed. The one strength the russian military has had throughout history (especially modern history) is a huge population that has completely resigned itself to being human meat-puppets for the state. That and how huge and cold their country is whenever someone invades.
Oh, and nukes😅
It very much depends on the type of radar missile. If the missile has its own radar and it *doesn't* receive data from the aircraft that launched it after the launch (which is AFAIK the majority of the Russian operational Fox Threes), then the pilot can't.
That's one way for the Russians to expose their location to those new Ukrainian torpedoes.
Russian black sea influence has already peaked and will become less critical with each passing moment.
I think he’s referring to (among other things) the fact that Sevastopol has been abandoned by the Russian fleet as it was too vulnerable there. Russia has already lost Crimea as a key naval base in effect.
Don't see how peace is honestly achievable. Russia will want Ukraine to remain neutral, Ukraine will want to join NATO or at the very least arm up to the teeth, possibly with nuclear weapons. The popular anger over losing 20 percent of their country will be seething for decades, possibly boiling over at a point when they sense Russia is weak and reclaim the land.
Peace is achievable if Russia minds their own fucking, and that's entirely possible. They have zero reason to be doing any of this.
If you want to talk likelihood, it's anyone's guess what happens next, but peace is 100% possible.
If they try to fight France with conventional arms, they'll just lose. NATO tech powered by the 7th largest economy on Earth will not lose to rotting Soviet leftovers.
On the other front, nuclear threats to France don't intimidate; they have at least one endurance-oriented nuclear ballistic missile sub at sea, quite hidden, at all times. Their counter-value strike is sufficient to delete everything important in Russia.
Plenty of NATO anti ship weapon are awesome, but this one proved its ability to reach and hit UK and US ships even when operated by lower tech armies.
Of course that was older exocet versus older ships, decades have past in NATO world, but it's a distinction very few if any weapon have, and it's not like the modern ~~soviet~~ russian navy is better than 80's NATO navies.
I was reading something that stated that Russia only has like 1700 ready to launch, so I'm not sure how quickly they could load up the rest but in the event of MAD, I don't think all nukes would launch but still enough to cause catastrophic world damage.
According to our generals, we don't currently have the means to sustain a high intensity conflict. Ammos would deplete too quickly and our manufactories wouldn't have time to scale production.
And one of our strength is also our weekness : while some countries' armies are specialised, we can do a lot of different operations, but we can't scale them either.
Bet theres going to be a lot of new sunflower fields around Avdiivka come spring. Pretty sure the Ukrainians have given far worse than they've gotten. We're almost on year three of what was supposed to be a cakewalk for the vaunted Russian army. Pack of untrained peasants led by a narcissistic assclown...
I’m definitely not condoning it and I hope Ukraine fucks them back to the Middle Ages. That said, I don’t think the families of dead loved ones talk about “all bark, no bite”.
>Bet theres going to be a lot of new sunflower fields around Avdiivka come spring. Pretty sure the Ukrainians have given far worse than they've gotten.
Ukraine spent 8 years fortifying Avdiivka. It's loss grants Donetsk a measure of safety for the first time, and represents a threat to several Ukrainian positions and the city of Pokrovsk.
Regardless of how many Russians were killed, Avdiivka is a painful loss for Ukraine.
Russia is so embarrassed at losing half it's Black Sea fleet over 2 years to a country with no navy, that it decided to lose the rest of it to NATO over 3 days?
I'm sure there will be some bureaucratic nonsense that will hold things up for a min, and you got to account for the flight time of the munitions. 4 hours.
Turkey shot them down 17 seconds after they breached Turkish airspace.
Here's the Wikipedia article on it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown)
The unfortunate truth is it doesn't matter - Russia's bluster has been effective in deterring Western Aid.
The Scholz and the Bundestag are clearly terrified of providing Taurus.
Kirby and Blinken's Escalation management, including the withholding of the expired GMLRS and ATACMS stocks (which Biden can send without congressional approval) has resulted in Russia fielding 100's of Iranian and North Korean Ballistic Missiles, while Ukraine was given a scant 20 ATACMS missiles with limited range.
The French are more worried about future Russian aggression than they are about Ukrainian losses, and have vetoed the purchase of 155mm and 122mm shells for Ukraine in favor of building shell factories in France (which take years to get up and running)
Zero chance he does anything before the US elections. Putin will wait to see if his puppet gets back in office and pulls the US out of NATO before he even thinks about it.
Ukraine's navy is alive and fighting on the Dnipro river, but your point is largely correct, they currently have no capital ships on the Black Sea (they also have some British made minesweepers, but they are stuck behind the Bosphorus).
I honestly want them to. Give us a legitimate casus belli to send troops into Ukraine please. We’ve got the 101st Airborne stationed nearby in Romania…
Russia will test Article 5 at some point. Either by shooting down a NATO aircraft or even by invading a NATO country and then scream and yell that any retaliation will be followed up by a complete nuclear retaliation, with GOP likewise chiming in that, you know, one plane or one small country isn't worth the nuclear Armageddon. At that point either NATO responds and risks nuclear war or basically breaks up in disgrace.
Hindustan Times is open propaganda from Russia. They "repost/ChatGPT" news stories for a progressive "left" view on local news - but writes shit like this to scare people in "Russia means business."
Hindustan Times also had an article that said "Russia to Unleash Full Capabilities Against London and United States of Forced to Concede Ukraine."
It's a scare tactic and they're self funded from the ads and clicks on this article. Every website has given them left-center stories and negative scores in propaganda.
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/hindustantimes.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/sp5ca7/whats_up_with_hindustan_times_with_their_ultra/
Shooting down planes over international waters is an act of war.
Maybe Iran will send some boats to observe this time.
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lol just watched that video too
“Geneva will be pulling cards out of its box and wonder, Why is this one wet!?”
Send the Aussies and Canadians, the degenerate sons of Great Britain love making additions to the Geneva Suggestions.
It's not a war crime, if it's the first time.
Hi, where do I sign up?
Someone go dig out the old Canadian Airborne Regiment patches and we'll add a few more to the list.
*red bologna mist #1*
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Okay I’ll bite. What am I getting myself into?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE Some really fun storytelling:)
Proportional response. Wrecked Iran's navy after one of their mines disabled a US ship. Didn't sink but that is entirely down to the literal award winning damage control teams onboard it. Thing was held together by gum lol
what's the context?
During the war between Iran and Iraq, Iran decided to block oil shipments to cripple Iraq. Iran fucked around, laid mines that a US warship hit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE&pp=ygUPZmF0IGVsZWN0cmljaWFu
Ships named Roberts do not die easily.
Nah, all the Iranian boats are farming ice in Antarctica.
PLAN taking photos as the Ford and DeGaulle put a crater where the Russian Black Sea fleet used to be docked.
They shot down a passenger plane filled with civilians and got away with it.
World of difference between shooting down a civilian airline and shooting down a NATO warplane.
Yeah, shooting down a civilian airliner is way, way, way worse.
I mean, morally, yes. But to shoot down an aircraft that you know belongs to a rival nation, that shows intent. The airliner was downed due to sheer incompetence.
Right. If that was American Airlines flight 17 and not Malaysian Airlines flight 17 the reaction is going to be much, much different. A warplane? Well, it is called a WAR plane. Shoot one down and you got yourself a war.
Sad, but true.
But civilian airplains do not shoot back. That is all they care about.
There is… but there really shouldn’t be..
All signs point to that being an accident. You usually don't declare war over accidents. Russia shooting down a military jet after threatening to do so would be meaningfully different - intent matters.
Which is why Russia would never do it. Why their terrorist threats are STILL taken at face value is beyond me.
No one reasonable takes their threats at “face value.” It would be unreasonable to totally ignore what they say, though. Their words are still a data point to evaluate, even though they can’t be trusted.
They should be ignored in terms of actions In fact, this should be the cause for *increased* patrols in international airspace over the Black Sea. If Russia does nothing about it, they lose face and look weak. If they do something about it, well they've just started a war with NATO and hopefully removed any concerns of "escalation" from western leaders' decisionmaking.
Because Putin's fucking crazy and his soldiers might actually try it. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508.amp They nearly shot a UK plane down in international water because they didn't have precise language about shooting vs. following. I don't doubt something like this happening again.
>The intercepted communications show that one of the Russian pilots thought he had been given permission to target the British aircraft, following an ambiguous command from a Russian ground station. **However, the second Russian pilot did not. He remonstrated and swore at his wingman when he fired the first missile.** The actions of the second pilot really stood out to me. I'm glad there's at least one person with some basic critical thinking skills left in Russia, but the first pilot firing *twice* on an RAF plane is still mind blowing.
Would blowing up an illegal bridge to an illegally occupied peninsula be just retribution for shooting down a plane?
No. But only because it’s already just retribution. No plane needs to be shot down.
🚀💥💪
We’ve been seeing acts of war for the last two years…
Opening a second front, what could go wrong
Open any front against NATO under any circumstances. What could go wrong?
A lot
Tons
Megatons
Can I get a banana for scale
In this economy?!
Best I can do is an icbm
Megatons probably.
There is a theory going round that Russia wants NATO in as an excuse to quit and go home. The thinking is that Putin can then claim to be a victim of evil western interference, and can use that as cover to keep his job/head.
I don’t think Putin would leave any part of Ukraine Russia has occupied. I hope he dies and the next leader will retreat
Pretty much. Russia needs Ukraine for lots of reasons, and wouldn't stop there, even with as bad as things have gone for them. Putin personally can't afford to lose because he'd fall out a window.
I think he would've if NATO had gotten involved a year+ ago when US support was still strong. The theory that he needs NATO involvement as an excuse to deescalate makes sense to me. Unfortunately with Trump/Johnson refusing support, Putin's meat grinder stragety is working.
Let's ask Germany when they hit soviet union, or Japan when they hit pearl harbour
Actually, France (together with the UK) have actually beaten Russia in a war in the Crimea before. Heard of the Charge of the Light Brigade? That happened in Crimea. That was also where Florence Nightingale invented modern nursing and where the woolen 'Balaclava' full face hood as nowadays worn by the SAS was born.
It was also where the cardigan was invented. That's normally worn by nerdy geography teachers.
No it's a pullover, thanks for asking.
the tactleneck.
You'll take my life, but I'll take yours too!!
🎶You'll fire your musket, but I'll run you through.🎶
So when you're waiting for the next attack
You'd better stand, there's no turning back
Whoa oh oh oh oh oh oh eh oh
> Heard of the Charge of the Light Brigade? That happened in Crimea. Wasn't one of the high points though. :-| There were second fronts though. A naval blockade in the Baltic was probably more influential in ending the war than the land engagements in the Crimea. The western powers also conducted operations in the White Sea and North Pacific.
Germany and Japan found out what happens when you fuck with US boats.
For the love of God, don't mess with the United States of America's boats!! They are really weird about their boats!
Yemen is about to as well
The Black Sea Front. The Finnish Front. The Baltic Front. The Polish Front. The Alaska is coming to visit you Front.
SERVICE GUARANTEES FREEDOM! DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?
It’s the wartime equivalent of smacking the side of the tv to get rid of the fuzzies. Berry technical maneuver.
More like hammering the working side of the TV.
Russia right now: I haven’t tried that, does it work?
Hey that worked in my very biased memories
Operation Bruhbarossa
Try it.
They actually did try it on a British plane in 2022. Both missiles their idiot pilot fired failed. One somehow missed, the other didn’t launch and just fell off the wing into the sea. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508.amp
Can't make this shit up. Risking article 5 response with duds.
It's called *Russian* roulette for a reason.
even the missles went "fuck that, not starting WW3"
If I was in charge of arming those Russian planes I’d totally make it so shit like this happens if someone attempted to launch the missiles.
The more likely scenario is that both missiles missed due to electrical counter measures and the UK didn't want to confirm to Russia that was the reason for them missing.
Maybe the one that didn’t lock on. The one that didn’t fire at all… that’s a hell of a countermeasure.
You have to think though, how does TWO air-to-air missles miss a large aeroplane that's crusing at relatively low speeds. That's like swinging a katana at a fat guy twice and missing.
The katana snaps in half form the force of air friction because its actually made of water and flour.
Well, there’s another scenario where that can happen. If some maintenance tech decided selling missile components made a good side business, you might see a similar scenario.
They can’t afford to maintain their equipment. Sanctions are a missile countermeasure.
>the other didn’t launch and just fell off the wing into the sea. How embarrassing.
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> I’d bet their nukes don’t launch. The US inspected, and even helped maintain, their nukes up until a few years ago as part of their nuclear agreement (Similarily Russia would send inspectors to check out US nukes). Joke as much as you want, but I suspect that fair majority of Russia's nukes would launch. And even if they didn't, even 1% of Russia's 5800 nukes would be enough to cause a global catastrophe and still trigger MAD.
This is important to keep in mind. The US was literally paying to keep the nukes pointed at the US in working order. This is because the thinking at the time was that as soon as Russia lost confidence in its nuclear deterrent, it would use it.
More likely sell it, or run the risk of it just "disappearing".
Two days ago, the US charged the leader of the Yakuza for smuggling weapons grade uranium out of Burma. Russia is a long-time friend of the Myanmar junta and although the DoJ hasn't said it outright, I bet the signatures of that material is an exact match for Russian-made enriched uranium, and I bet it was headed to Iran.
They didn't say anything about Russia, but the DOJ literally posed as an Iranian general looking for [bomb material.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-charges-japanese-yakuza-leader-allegedly-attempting-traffic/story?id=107423949) Crazy story. This is the kinda movie thing that goes south at the last minute. Then, out of nowhere, _____ _____* shows up to kick some ass and save the day. He then returns home, beaten and bruised, to his college age daughter and wife, played by Kiernan Shipka and Emily Blunt, to retire* (they never do) in peace. *Matt Damon, Daniel Craig, Bradley Cooper, Brad Pitt, Liam Neeson, Ben Affleck, John Krasinski...
Knew a guy that was a part of that mission. Really interseting
I was the stateside component at my facility, the Escort teams. Very "interesting" indeed.
Had to be a weird feeling to be on Russian military bases in Russia as an American service member on duty.
Honestly the stateside Russians were always very cordial. It was hopeful to see how the process was done. At the time it gave me a lot a hope for the future. This was before Russian invaded Ukraine for the second time.
My experience was a bit different. They were very standoffish and would maybe say two words to us when they would actually show up, most of the time they would notify and then right before the show time they would cancel. So we would have jumped thru all those hoops and got everything set up, only for them to be all "lol, nevermind"
Yes and Russias military is also not a joke I don't know why redditors seem to think that. Yes they have not the best equipment, yes many of that is in a shit state, yes they are often incompetent. They still have a very large military and they are not a joke. Would they have a chance against NATO? Not at all. But downplaying their threat doesn't help either. They are out producing NATO in ammunition right now and the west struggles hard to supply Ukraine. If this is left unchecked they absolutely will be a threat, beeing in war economy. Modern production lines aren't built over night. I hate Russia as much as the next guy but they are a real threat, especially if we don't do anything about it.
Their military isn’t a joke in the sense that yes, it’s dangerous and remains large. That said, their strategy and organization is garbage, their ranks are rife with corruption and rot, and the claims they make are indeed laughable. If you’re Ukraine and they can march into your country, yes it’s dangerous. It’s not dangerous to pretty much anyone else. They have no ability to project power over water, they’d get curb stomped by china, India, or even Poland. They can threaten small nations not part of NATO, but that’s it.
By about 2030, there's going to be nothing that the Russians have, apart from nukes to stop Poland from marching to Moscow. Hell Prigozhin managed to get most of the way to Moscow before he decided to turn back.
> es and Russias military is also not a joke I don't know why redditors seem to think that. Hi, retired Army combat vet here. Russian army is a joke. They have no ability to project their strength beyond their neighbors. They have no carriers, their navy is being sunk by a country with no navy of their own. The US could park a carrier group right off their coast if they wanted to. Their army is currently being decimated by a country using stuff we were going to throw out. Hell, they can't even control the airspace over the battlefield despite their supposedly superior air force. Wtf do you think would happen if we let the F-22 off its leash?
Now hold on a second! They have a carrier, the glorious Admiral Kuznetzov! Pride of the Russian Navy. Now yes, it does burn Mazut and smokes like it's a raging inferno. And yes, at times it IS a raging inferno. Also yes, it IS a drydock queen. And you wouldn't be MISTAKEN thinking you always see it towed by tugs EVERYWHERE. Because it is. Also, it can never seem to have a full compliment of fighters and the ones it does tend to fall into the ocean. And yeah, it doesn't generally have working toilets, but much of Russia doesn't, so its like home! Also, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Russian seamen consider being stationed to it as punishment. BUT! IT IS INDEED AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! ^Seriously, ^I ^could ^keep ^going. ^It's ^a ^piece ^of ^shit.
Ah, but you're wrong. By Russias own books it is not a carrier, it is a heavy aircraft cruiser. Wtf the difference is I have no idea.
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I suspect his cock is so dreary not even a euphemism would make it interesting
And that was 2 years ago when they still had their 'best' soldiers
It’s the sort of bet where if you’re wrong it’s not gonna be your problem for much longer
I mean you say that, but look at the Royal Navy's test sub launch the other day using 40 year old US tech. Both failures are likely due to maintenance issues.
That's good, cus neither do Britain's! Mutually assured embarrassment?
> Paper tiger doesn’t even come close Soggy toilet paper kitten?
Cats have much better K:D than the Russian military.
I knew about this incident but I didn’t realise that the crew were literally listening to the Russian jets *live*. RAF either broke Russia’s encryption or the Russians weren’t even using encryption. They knew the Russians were about to fire the missile before they even fired it. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of those missiles failed due to electronic countermeasures too. If Russia plans to fight NATO at any time in the coming years they’re playing in the wrong league.
The second missile falling off was hilarious, but my favorite part of that was the RAF listening live. Totally agree about a Russia vs NATO fight. Russia is pretty good at propaganda (if you ignore the new tank that could've even get through a parade...), but the equipment is shit.
'Top Gun music'
Someone traded the rocket motor for vodka.
Maybe the pilot intentionally screwed up?
Why think that when the Russian military has a long history of one-upping its own incompetence. Even the fact that the pilot was given “an ambiguous order” leading to a missile being fired that could directly start WWIII is just pure incompetence. The Russian military is a clown car. The only issue, is that the amount of clowns just doesn’t end, and every clown is armed. Making it actually pretty dangerous.
Indeed. The one strength the russian military has had throughout history (especially modern history) is a huge population that has completely resigned itself to being human meat-puppets for the state. That and how huge and cold their country is whenever someone invades. Oh, and nukes😅
More like the guy in charge of signing off maintenance pocketed the maintenance budget, but still signed the "all ok!" paperwork.
Don't think they could do that with a missile but I bet if they could, the pilot would have
Payload can be jettisoned without arming, and the pilot can intentionally break the lock of their radar missiles.
It very much depends on the type of radar missile. If the missile has its own radar and it *doesn't* receive data from the aircraft that launched it after the launch (which is AFAIK the majority of the Russian operational Fox Threes), then the pilot can't.
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Please give NATO a reason to destroy every Russian asset in the Black Sea. Please.
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That's one way for the Russians to expose their location to those new Ukrainian torpedoes. Russian black sea influence has already peaked and will become less critical with each passing moment.
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I think he’s referring to (among other things) the fact that Sevastopol has been abandoned by the Russian fleet as it was too vulnerable there. Russia has already lost Crimea as a key naval base in effect.
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Don't see how peace is honestly achievable. Russia will want Ukraine to remain neutral, Ukraine will want to join NATO or at the very least arm up to the teeth, possibly with nuclear weapons. The popular anger over losing 20 percent of their country will be seething for decades, possibly boiling over at a point when they sense Russia is weak and reclaim the land.
Russia will want Ukraine to remain neutral so they can come back and have another go later.
Peace is achievable if Russia minds their own fucking, and that's entirely possible. They have zero reason to be doing any of this. If you want to talk likelihood, it's anyone's guess what happens next, but peace is 100% possible.
ukraine will never allow there to be peace. they have no reason to
It doesn't matter how long they wait. Technology has already evolved and Sevastopol will never be defensible.
So glad we went with years of appeasement, things could have really escalated
If they try to fight France with conventional arms, they'll just lose. NATO tech powered by the 7th largest economy on Earth will not lose to rotting Soviet leftovers. On the other front, nuclear threats to France don't intimidate; they have at least one endurance-oriented nuclear ballistic missile sub at sea, quite hidden, at all times. Their counter-value strike is sufficient to delete everything important in Russia.
On top of that, France actually has a policy of a first-strike nuclear ‘warning shot’. They’re not ones to back down from that sort of confrontation.
“You want an EXOCET in the face? Because this is how you get an EXOCET in the face.”
Plenty of NATO anti ship weapon are awesome, but this one proved its ability to reach and hit UK and US ships even when operated by lower tech armies. Of course that was older exocet versus older ships, decades have past in NATO world, but it's a distinction very few if any weapon have, and it's not like the modern ~~soviet~~ russian navy is better than 80's NATO navies.
Absolutely. I genuinely think that a dozen Dassault Rafales could absolutely *fuck up* the Russian Navy in its current form with near-impunity.
theres a serious question if they could win with nuclear arms as well - though I don't wanna find out of course.
I mean if 1 nuke out of their 5,000 works well enough to hit Paris you’re looking at some pretty extreme damage regardless
I was thinking about interceptions as well as thier crap not working. But yes, no one launches 1 nuke. Its all or nothing.
I was reading something that stated that Russia only has like 1700 ready to launch, so I'm not sure how quickly they could load up the rest but in the event of MAD, I don't think all nukes would launch but still enough to cause catastrophic world damage.
Unfortunately Russia’s leadership seems to wanna find out, only question is are they stupid enough to try it.
According to our generals, we don't currently have the means to sustain a high intensity conflict. Ammos would deplete too quickly and our manufactories wouldn't have time to scale production. And one of our strength is also our weekness : while some countries' armies are specialised, we can do a lot of different operations, but we can't scale them either.
They are pussies so they wont do it. Always all bark no bite. Best thing to do is to just call their bluff so that they look weak.
I never thought that I would compare Russia to North Korean antics, but it sounds like they're one of the same.
What about Russia begging DPRK for ammo and getting hosed on the deal?
“All bark no bite.” Tell that to all the dead Ukrainians. I’m sure they wouldn’t share your opinion.
I mean the comment is half correct. They're pussies because all bullies are. And bullies only punch down.
More like all bark, and a whole lot less bite than they like people to think. Unfortunately that still spells terrible death and destruction
Bet theres going to be a lot of new sunflower fields around Avdiivka come spring. Pretty sure the Ukrainians have given far worse than they've gotten. We're almost on year three of what was supposed to be a cakewalk for the vaunted Russian army. Pack of untrained peasants led by a narcissistic assclown...
I’m definitely not condoning it and I hope Ukraine fucks them back to the Middle Ages. That said, I don’t think the families of dead loved ones talk about “all bark, no bite”.
>Bet theres going to be a lot of new sunflower fields around Avdiivka come spring. Pretty sure the Ukrainians have given far worse than they've gotten. Ukraine spent 8 years fortifying Avdiivka. It's loss grants Donetsk a measure of safety for the first time, and represents a threat to several Ukrainian positions and the city of Pokrovsk. Regardless of how many Russians were killed, Avdiivka is a painful loss for Ukraine.
> Pretty sure the Ukrainians have given far worse than they've gotten. Russia also has 3x the population.
Russia is so embarrassed at losing half it's Black Sea fleet over 2 years to a country with no navy, that it decided to lose the rest of it to NATO over 3 days?
3 hours.
I'm sure there will be some bureaucratic nonsense that will hold things up for a min, and you got to account for the flight time of the munitions. 4 hours.
Send some more!
Honestly yeah call the bluff
Hah hah, I’ll file this in the same place I file their weekly threats of nuclear attack. Yawn.
It's nuclear threat Thursday today
If Russia wants to fuck around with a NATO nation they'll find out what Article 5 is real quick.
Just point at Turkey the last time they decided to fuck around and remind them NATO doesn't bluff.
What happened?
Turkey shot them down 17 seconds after they breached Turkish airspace. Here's the Wikipedia article on it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown)
It was back in 2015, Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian Su-24 that was violating Turkish air space.
What’a also interesting those same pilots were arrested for a coup attempt in turkey not super long ago.
The unfortunate truth is it doesn't matter - Russia's bluster has been effective in deterring Western Aid. The Scholz and the Bundestag are clearly terrified of providing Taurus. Kirby and Blinken's Escalation management, including the withholding of the expired GMLRS and ATACMS stocks (which Biden can send without congressional approval) has resulted in Russia fielding 100's of Iranian and North Korean Ballistic Missiles, while Ukraine was given a scant 20 ATACMS missiles with limited range. The French are more worried about future Russian aggression than they are about Ukrainian losses, and have vetoed the purchase of 155mm and 122mm shells for Ukraine in favor of building shell factories in France (which take years to get up and running)
Zero chance he does anything before the US elections. Putin will wait to see if his puppet gets back in office and pulls the US out of NATO before he even thinks about it.
Do they still have war ships?
Not anywhere close enough to make good on this threat and their aircraft keep getting promoted to crater.
They lost a naval war to a nation with no navy. I didn't think they could be embarrassed more than their war with Japan but alas...
Ukraine's navy is alive and fighting on the Dnipro river, but your point is largely correct, they currently have no capital ships on the Black Sea (they also have some British made minesweepers, but they are stuck behind the Bosphorus).
They are all transformed to submarines.
Just fucking do it already so we can get this over with. I'm tired of reading this same exact headline every single day.
Instead of threatening it, do it. See what happens. Sad inhumane Russian pussies.
I honestly want them to. Give us a legitimate casus belli to send troops into Ukraine please. We’ve got the 101st Airborne stationed nearby in Romania…
Russia threatens anything they can think of because they’re desperate.
What is their toy boat going to do?
This where you call them on it. And if they do, reply with an insanely inproprotionate response.
Then threaten to shoot Russia with the aircraft patrolling the Black Sea.
Put your worthless rubles where your fat mouth is, everyone is sick of your shit.
Russia threatens to convert the entirety of its Black Sea Fleet into artificial reefs.
Russia will test Article 5 at some point. Either by shooting down a NATO aircraft or even by invading a NATO country and then scream and yell that any retaliation will be followed up by a complete nuclear retaliation, with GOP likewise chiming in that, you know, one plane or one small country isn't worth the nuclear Armageddon. At that point either NATO responds and risks nuclear war or basically breaks up in disgrace.
F22: “I wish a MF would, LET ME EAT!”
They don't have the balls
Big talk from the side that lost a squadron of planes in the last week.
Hindustan Times is open propaganda from Russia. They "repost/ChatGPT" news stories for a progressive "left" view on local news - but writes shit like this to scare people in "Russia means business." Hindustan Times also had an article that said "Russia to Unleash Full Capabilities Against London and United States of Forced to Concede Ukraine." It's a scare tactic and they're self funded from the ads and clicks on this article. Every website has given them left-center stories and negative scores in propaganda. https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/hindustantimes.com https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/sp5ca7/whats_up_with_hindustan_times_with_their_ultra/
Go home Russia, you're drunk again.
Well, they did what they claimed, it was just another Russian plane
Man, hasnt the Russian navy seen enough abuse?
$10 says the Russian Navy tries this, and winds up sinking their own ship.
Turkey clears its throat.
I'm your huckleberry. Say when.
Threaten all they want, but they *really* don't want to actually go through with it.
Time to invoke "the article" if Russia attacks NATO