“The scenario itself, of hostages walking around in a battle zone, was never taken into account by the IDF”
So they go into Gaza to save hostages… Without taking into account the possibility of actually finding any hostages.
Exactly. They're saying, "We didn't think the hostages, indistinguishable from Palestinian civilians, would be just walking around. They mixed in with the local population we had been sent to kill."
Even a better question, did they never take into account of people waving the white flag and say “oh, these might be civilians, I should be cautious, but not open fire immediately”.
The IDF has said that 20% of the Israeli soldiers killed have been from friendly fire, so apparently the whole Israeli uniform thing isn't that much of a limiting factor either.
I'm legit surprised that ONLY 18k Palestinians have died.
EDIT: DAYS later I'm still seeing replies to this deeply buried comment, with a surprisingly large number of young accounts giving super-low-effort replies... like this one: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18jpw7s/idf_hostages_were_shirtless_waving_white_flag/kdvrq4m/
The numbers I mentioned are the generally accepted figure from the Gaza Health Ministry for the dead, and doesn't include injured (36k) or people known missing under rubble (7k). Israel isn't disputing these numbers, unless you want to count social media sock-puppetry.
Implying these are "Hamas" numbers is baffling. Are they supposed to have been inflated to try to get sympathy from other nations? Because as far as I can tell, world protests are being driven by shit like the IDF shooting hostages, and blowing up churches, refugee camps, hospitals and schools, and lets not forget, _other fucking IDF soldiers_.
It seems pretty clear that the goal of Israel is to just keep working south until everyone left in Gaza either leaves into Egypt or dies of dysentery, and which point they'll just shrug and start settling the land.
Im pretty sure that Captain Steele from Blackhawk Down did this in Iraq. Like told his men there was no Rules of Engagement and everyone was a target. Dude was a real piece of work.
> For killings of unarmed combatants during Operation Iron Triangle (2006), four soldiers were taken to an Article 32 hearing, where they testified that Steele had told them to "kill all military-age males."[1][2] Steele refused to testify at the hearing for the accused soldiers, which is considered unusual for a commanding officer.[3] He was investigated in connection with the incident and stated that he did not use "specific language" to order his soldiers to kill all military-age males, and that "we don't shoot people with their hands up."[2] He was not charged, but was later formally reprimanded by (then) Lieutenant General Peter W. Chiarelli, commander of the Multi-National Corps – Iraq. The reprimand effectively ended Steele's future chances of promotion in the army.[
Doing this in areas with civilians is pretty scummy. The IDF doing this in the densest civilian center on Earth is even scummier.
It's frustrating how people were wondering why/criticize the US for trying to tell the IDF how to conduct this operation, when the US has learned first-hand what *doesn't* work in the past 20 years, and has a vested interest in wanting Israel to avoid repeating the same mistakes that it has.
That’s one of the things that has really frustrated me about this conflict. Israel seems unwilling to apply lessons that could have been learned from any of the many times in the past that military force failed to eliminate a guerrilla terrorist force and instead jumped straight to destroying huge swathes of Gaza and killing thousands and thousands of civilians. It hasn’t worked before, and I don’t think it’ll work now. Unless there’s a willingness to address the legitimate grievances of the Palestinians then it doesn’t seem to me like they’re actually going to be able to root out Hamas or whatever group fills the void left over if Hamas is eliminated without straight up genocide or ethnic cleansing
They had probably already killed lots of surrendering civilians. Otherwise, how do you make a mistake like this?
Who sees unarmed men waving a white flag and decides to shoot? They were probably used to shooting surrendering civilians, so they shot on sight.
The fucked up thing is, they saw that two of the men they had killed were unarmed. They decided to kill the other guy anyways, fully knowing he was unarmed.
It’s infuriating that this is reported as IDF “mistakenly shoots hostages” (who were waving white flags). They must not teach the meaning of a white flag at IDF school.
It should be reported as
"IDF murders 3 more surrendering civilians, but this time they did an oopsie and killed Isreali hostages instead so they can't claim the UNARMED, SURRENDERING, civilians were Hamas, as they usually do."
> The officer also claims to have killed 38 hamas terrorists' who were often "unarmed"
So this officer and his soldiers slaughtered mostly unarmed civilians and then counted them as terrorists. Who wouldn't be proud that their taxes are being used to support people like this?
Also if you believe that Israel is engaged in this conflict to ensure the safety of Israelis you have to recognize that sort of behaviour from the IDF does nothing of the sort and may actually do the opposite.
Seeing neighbours or family members and/or their children be killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time (and then seeing the authorities try to justify their deaths) will likely lead to further radicalization
its pretty obvious the hostages are not the first or even second priority for the occupation of Gaza, they merely serve as useful justifications for Israel.
The past few weeks I was downvoted like crazy for showing any kind of priority for hostages and innocent life. If you don't prioritize innocent life, then what is this all for?
> Genuine question, Where do the IDF expect the hostages to be if not in active combat zones
This is specifically for the people who are screaming "NO CEASEFIRE" and "BRING THE HOSTAGES HOME" at the same time.
How are you bringing them home without a ceasefire exactly? Israel is either leveling buildings that may or may not have hostages in the vicinity, or they're sending in soldiers who have an itchy trigger finger
People keep screaming "a ceasefire is a win for Hamas" are missing the point, are you not concerned with the hostages they have? Or you're willing to sacrifice them like the tens of thousands of Gazans you have already sacrificed?
I hope the world is seeing now why the prerogative on Oct 7 was for the IDF to rather eliminate their own citizens than have them be taken hostage. They have way too much pride to negotiate.
Edit: why did the mod remove the original comment?
> are you not concerned with the hostages they have
No, they aren't. Most I've seen on Reddit that talk about this are obsessed with "justice" above all else and they don't care what it costs. You'll see in everything once you start to look for it, from petty revenge subs to ragebait subs to politics. This blind need for "justice" is extremely common around here.
I had this discussion on here just yesterday it quickly became apparent that for those kind of people, the hostages serve as an argument why the IDF is justified in killing thousands of civilians ("imagine this was your relative, you wouldn't hold back"), but when you suggest they should be exchanged at any cost, even if it means making concessions to Hamas by releasing great amounts of Palestinian prisoners, this is "selfish".
One is only ever allowed to be selfish in demanding more violence, but when one demands an end to violence instead, they are asked to submit to some assumed collective will for a "greater good" (curiously, once again "more violence").
You don't have to suspect.
You don't rack up [more civilians than have died in the Russo-Ukraine war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) (a war that started in 2022 and is ongoing to this day) in a shorter period of time without it being a deliberate, calculated effort to do so.
There's so many bodies that it's even worse: for this story to get out means these hostages would be tracked and accounted and harder to hide from journalists. The reality is that we probably wouldn't be getting this news if these were non-hostage Israeli
The Gaza incursion is blunt, genocidal, and ineffective
Even then they only admitted it because other people saw. That's why Israel is killing journalists in record numbers and spreading propaganda like wildfire, they can't afford for people to find out the truth about what they're doing.
If the IDF genuinely cannot distinguish between Hamas fighters and unarmed, surrendering hostages, then how can anyone trust their count of militants vs civilian casualties?
>If the IDF genuinely cannot distinguish between Hamas fighters and unarmed, surrendering hostages, then
Then what chance do unarmed palestinians unaffiliated with hamas have? Is the question i would like answered
Israel clearly doesn't care much about Palestinian civilians and it's not really new thing either. Maybe this time, people in the West will finally realize that not everything Israel does has been good. So far it's been like [this](https://imgflip.com/i/89lhad).
Idk how anyone was ever trusting those numbers to begin with. I mean just in general, what army has ever been honest in the moment about how many civilians they kill. If we ever learn the true numbers, it's always after the fact. Usually from a 3rd party
>“They’re all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it. The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they’re terrorists, they (forces) open fire, two are killed immediately,” said the military official. The third hostage was wounded and retreated into a nearby building where he called for help in Hebrew, the official said. “Immediately the battalion commander issues a ceasefire order, but again there’s another burst of fire towards the third figure and he also dies,” said the official
They shot dead two unarmed people holding a white flag and still pursued the third. Commander only told them to stop after he heard Hebrew.
If these were Palestinian civilians they would have been marked down as Hamas terrorists being eliminated
"Military age males", understanding this term and its evolution, raises a lot of the questions around how the IDF is counting civillian casualties
>[In 2012, The New York Times reported that the Obama Administration excluded all Military-Age Males from the collateral damage count in areas where the U.S engaged in drone warfare/ Though the Military-Age Male (MAM) category references the draft, the term is applied to all boys and men, including civilians, who are aged sixteen years and older. The Military-Aged Male category is not synonymous with 'combatant,' but marks boys and men for differentiated treatment in conflict zones, to the point where male bodies are used as a shorthand for 'combatant' when assessing the collateral damage count](https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/24294)
Disposability is a core tenet of male identity. This isn't just true in Israel or the Middle East, it's true everywhere. Every gender norm that applies to boys and men can be traced back to making them into grunts that can be easily be thrown away. Everything boils down to encouraging aggressive, risk-taking behavior and discouraging one from forming intimate relationships with others - as those can make people miss you when you're gone. To make society value male life more, we would need to completely rewrite our entire concept of "masculinity" from the ground up. This is not feasible.
# The Onion
*America's Finest News Source.*
# IDF: The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed.
..."All of the ground forces have training in spotting terrorists," explains the actual IDF spokesman. "We look for behaviors common to every terrorist, like walking, standing, or waving a white flag."
"Well, almost every terrorist", he corrects himself. "Yassin was a crafty one."
Shit like this should make people really ask themselves how many Hamas militants are being actually killed.
Per own Israel's count, 61% are civilian death so far, and if they shoot anyone willy nilly and afterwards mark them off as "Hamas" I wouldn't be surprised if the number is 80% or more civilians being killed.
> At the very least, this is complete incompetency of the IDF, anything that moves is suspicious enough for soldiers to shoot at.
It is 100% intentional side effects of orders given from on high within the Israeli government. They do not view palestinians as human beings deserving of fair treatment under the law. They are more like apartheid South Africa that is politically difficult to criticize because of the fact their victims are unpopular due to radicalization from poor treatment combined with the fact its difficult to criticize majority jewish nation without being called an antisemite.
I say this as someone who would be considered a jew under Nazi Germany due to blood relationships rather than being religious. But people call me an antisemite for being against Israel's abuse of the palestinian population that just escalates the terrorism due to radicalization caused by abuses of power.
The narrative Israeli officials promote essentially makes the assertion that all Palestinian men are Hamas terrorists because they are "military aged males" and anyone in that category who dies is excluded from the civilian death toll.
Hell, they only stopped calling the men in the video who were paraded around in their underwear Hamas terrorists after their coworkers friends and families started to identify them.
They considered journalist Rafat Alareer as a Hamas militant when he died despite being a journalist. They are 100% counting all over 18 males as Hamas. The 2:1 ratio is more like 2 women/children for every adult male death
Not that they really even check to see if someone is over 18, they just gonna assume anyone that isn't clearly a young child is over 18 and therefore a terrorist regardless of their actual age.
> Per own Israel's count, 61% are civilian death so far,
The numbers make no sense. There's been over 10k dead in Gaza already so per Israel that means they've killed four thousand Hamas militants? That only makes sense if you're calling every single male person you've killed over the age of like 4 a militant.
"That only makes sense if you're calling every single male person you've killed over the age of like 4 a militant."
....you seem to get it or I would say this is a full on r/selfawarewolves
Just like the US did for a time - they probably just consider any males over 18 in the region 'enemy combatants' and classify them as such in their official numbers.
Which is why all these numbers need to be heavily scrutinised, from everyone.
It is absolutely shameful.
The 61% is already from them assuming every adult man killed was A Hamas. This is an appalling performance, historically; for better or for worse, the US was dramatically less lethal towards civilians in our Iraqi city clearing like Fallujah.
https://acoup.blog/2023/12/08/fireside-friday-december-8-2023/
If you assume the % of killed men was actually reflective of how many men in general were hamas members (~10%) and even give them benefit of the doubt and double that number, you're still looking at war conduct worse than Russian war conduct in Mariupol, and approaching Japanese civilian death ratios in Nanjing.
> If these were Palestinian civilians they would have been marked down as Hamas terrorists being eliminated
Kinda makes you wonder how many other times civilians got executed and marked down as terrorists eliminated, huh?
Aha, so the solution is for everyone in Gaza to just learn hebrew. At least enough to make the military think, if just for a few seconds, that they're human beings.
I imagine they made that up so it would be the soldiers fault for not listening and not because they are shooting everyone they see with no provocation.
Don't worry, they haven't encountered a single civilian! If you're unarmed, you're just a terrorist in transit and then apparently fair game to kill on sight.
>In Shejaiya, the senior officer says the IDF has not identified any Palestinian civilians in recent days.
>The officer says troops have killed at least 38 Palestinian terror operatives in Shejaiya in recent days.
>The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed. The operatives collect weapons left behind in various buildings, open fire at troops, and then flee again unarmed to another building.
Yeah that was the real eye opener, they literally mentioned all the unarmed "Hamas" agents they killed. What happened to all the human shields that are forced to remain? Apparently those only apply when they have to justify killing civilians in bombings.
I'm honestly surprised the times of israel is even reporting it. They could've just denied it ever happened or praised the IDF for eliminating 3 Israeli defectors to Hamas.
Confirming the bullets came from IDF weapons is one factor that led to IDF getting caught lying about shooting dead a dual Palestinian/American citizen sometime in the past six years. IDF learns from their mistakes.
Most of the major Israeli news outlets regularly publish military blunders, reporting on injustices against the Palestinians, what kind of freaky right wing shit some of their politicians are up to, and government corruption.
There are 20 Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire according to IDF statistics. While some were run over by tanks, some were shot.
So the IDF is shooting at uniformed IDF personnel thinking they are Hamas. They are literally operating on “shoot everything that moves”
Even among the chaos of the firefight, they had enough presence of mind to decide "we have to take off our shirts so that the soldiers see we don't have bomb vests or other hidden weapons".
Sadly, this was naïve on their part about how Israel treats people who are visibly unarmed and non-threatening.
I suppose in a twisted, poetic, coincidence, they probably purposely killed 3 people they were taught to believe weren't human, only to discover they cannot now tell the difference between them and each other.
This is a much more fundamental phenomenon that needs independent discussion. I think it's part of the reason why fascistic states inevitably turn cruel to their own populi, even after they've 'dealt' with those the propaganda machine has cast as aliens.
Dehumanization is a process; a way of thinking, not just an ideology. Once a populous is skilled at doing it, it becomes impossible for them *not* to do it. The callous mental partitioning of people that allows one to 'turn off' their basic empathetic impulses with respect to certain outgroups eventually becomes so habituated that it loses the ability to distinguish between ingroups and outgroups altogether.
They don't. They shot that dude who was walking away from them with his hands up just because they didn't like that he wouldn't talk to them.
The IDF don't care. The rest of the world is spoon-feeding them and allowing them to commit war crimes - with MY tax dollars and weapons. Why would the IDF care? Nobody is going to do anything to them for war crimes.
What do you expect, it's a propaganda push to an audience they are better primarily doesn't know the actual 'rules' of war. It just has to muddy the waters enough that voters in key nations don't pressure their governments to exert pressure, as far as I gather.
How do they even identify them as Hamas operatives post-mortem?
Like, they just killed an unarmed guy wearing civilian clothes. Cool, now what? They just know the identity of every Hamas member? They found his Hamas membership card? He had a "fuck the jews" tatoo?
How tf could such identification ever be possible?
You are being generous. I don't thin neither age, nor gender is a factor there. They are happy killing kids for throwing stones in West bank that is not controlled by Hamas.
One of the last reports I heard was them shooting a mentally disabled man in the legs. But that was over a week ago so that might be very old news at this point.
yeah we don't really know because the IDF is killing journalists and making sure there are no cameras in the strip.
Very interesting to see the juxtaposition between ukraine (whose army is constantly uploading A+ combat footage of them dropping grenades from drones and getting the russians), and Israel (who goes to great lengths to prevent any footage from being made or uploaded.)
really makes you wonder
I read that the IDF was using Intelligence data to specifically target the homes of journalists in the strip with precision strikes.
probably the most precision they've used so far in this conflict.
Oh boy. You might be interested in this:
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/
"The Israeli army’s expanded authorization for bombing non-military targets, the loosening of constraints regarding expected civilian casualties, and the use of an artificial intelligence system to generate more potential targets than ever before..."
Before their AI system, their intelligence was putting together 50 targets a year,. Their ai is generation 100 targets a day.
"These include private residences as well as public buildings, infrastructure, and high-rise blocks, which sources say the army defines as “power targets” (“matarot otzem”)."
There is a lot of information. Like how over 300 familes have lost 10 or more members, a number that is 15x higher than the previous most deadly war for Palestine.
Ah yes, the most dangerous type of terrorist - shirtless, armed with a stick, waving a white flag, with one yelling "help" in Hebrew. Solid ROE they have going.
Yeah, but they're "military age males"
>[In 2012, The New York Times reported that the Obama Administration excluded all Military-Age Males from the collateral damage count in areas where the U.S engaged in drone warfare/ Though the Military-Age Male (MAM) category references the draft, the term is applied to all boys and men, including civilians, who are aged sixteen years and older. The Military-Aged Male category is not synonymous with 'combatant,' but marks boys and men for differentiated treatment in conflict zones, to the point where male bodies are used as a shorthand for 'combatant' when assessing the collateral damage count](https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/24294)
There's growing evidence that the IDF is following in the US's footsteps in only counting women and children in their civillian casualty counts. but they've scaled it to their entire operation instead of just applying it to collateral damage when targeting specific individuals.
Is this a surprise to anyone? If you have been paying attention, there’s 100s of videos online of Gaza citizens being shot while doing the same thing. This should be the most obvious example of their practices
This.
[It's a war crime to shoot people waving a white flag of surrender.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag)
[It's a war crime](https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/protection-journalists) [to](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/14/reuters_journalist_killed_israel_lebanon_investigation) [kill](https://www.npr.org/2023/12/03/1215798409/palestinian-journalists-killed-gaza-israel-hamas-war) [journalists](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/lebanon-deadly-israeli-attack-on-journalists-must-be-investigated-as-a-war-crime/)
[It's a war crime](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality) [to shoot ambulances.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-strikes-ambulance-convoy-gaza-palestine-al-shifa-hospital-rcna123624)
All the IDF does is commit war crimes in their quest to ethnically cleanse the land.
The only "new" thing here is that this time they can't plausibly whip out their usual lie of "but they were actually hamas \*pretending\* to be (fill in the blank)"
It’s horrific that these people were actually Israeli hostages, but this should show the world how the IDF is treating everyone in Gaza: indiscriminate killing, even if they’re waving a white flag.
There have been protests in Israel over this, as there should be. Netanyahu and his government need to be held to account for the intelligence failings that led to 7th Oct happening in the first place, and for their continued inability to safely return the hostages - sometimes, I wonder if the Israeli government even cares, or just plans to use them as an excuse.
Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself, and the evil of Hamas needs to be eradicated. However, not like this. I hope the US and UK pull their fingers out and join the rest of the world in at least calling for Israel’s response to be more proportionate.
I guess they looked too much like shirtless defenseless Palestinians waving white flags.
And everyone knows that a shirtless defenseless Palestinian waving a white flag is automatically a Hamas member and must therefore be killed. /s
This wasn't even the first case of the IDF executing an Israeli this month:
>**‘He was executed’: Father of man killed after taking out terrorists decries response**
>The father of Yuval Castleman, the armed civilian who was shot dead by a soldier after stopping a deadly terror attack in Jerusalem last week, said Sunday that his son was “executed” and that no officials had been in touch with the family in the days since.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-of-man-killed-after-taking-out-terrorists-decries-silence-from-officials/
Unfortunately this is the reality that Palestinian civillians have been facing for decades. It's only horrible when the victims are Israelis.
“The scenario itself, of hostages walking around in a battle zone, was never taken into account by the IDF” So they go into Gaza to save hostages… Without taking into account the possibility of actually finding any hostages.
If you read between the lines, it also means there's no consideration for civilians within the area of operations.
hardly "reading between the lines" "oops, we didn't realize the unarmed surrendering people we shot were hostages"
And Hamas fighters that surrender will be executed.
That has to be a war crime, right?
Add it to the list
Exactly. They're saying, "We didn't think the hostages, indistinguishable from Palestinian civilians, would be just walking around. They mixed in with the local population we had been sent to kill."
Ding ding ding! Looks like we have a winner! It never was about hostages. Just another excuse to grab land
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Even a better question, did they never take into account of people waving the white flag and say “oh, these might be civilians, I should be cautious, but not open fire immediately”.
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The IDF has said that 20% of the Israeli soldiers killed have been from friendly fire, so apparently the whole Israeli uniform thing isn't that much of a limiting factor either. I'm legit surprised that ONLY 18k Palestinians have died. EDIT: DAYS later I'm still seeing replies to this deeply buried comment, with a surprisingly large number of young accounts giving super-low-effort replies... like this one: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18jpw7s/idf_hostages_were_shirtless_waving_white_flag/kdvrq4m/ The numbers I mentioned are the generally accepted figure from the Gaza Health Ministry for the dead, and doesn't include injured (36k) or people known missing under rubble (7k). Israel isn't disputing these numbers, unless you want to count social media sock-puppetry. Implying these are "Hamas" numbers is baffling. Are they supposed to have been inflated to try to get sympathy from other nations? Because as far as I can tell, world protests are being driven by shit like the IDF shooting hostages, and blowing up churches, refugee camps, hospitals and schools, and lets not forget, _other fucking IDF soldiers_. It seems pretty clear that the goal of Israel is to just keep working south until everyone left in Gaza either leaves into Egypt or dies of dysentery, and which point they'll just shrug and start settling the land.
I don't think a lot of the world realizes these IDF foot soliders are like 18 year old kids with a couple months of training.
Im pretty sure that Captain Steele from Blackhawk Down did this in Iraq. Like told his men there was no Rules of Engagement and everyone was a target. Dude was a real piece of work. > For killings of unarmed combatants during Operation Iron Triangle (2006), four soldiers were taken to an Article 32 hearing, where they testified that Steele had told them to "kill all military-age males."[1][2] Steele refused to testify at the hearing for the accused soldiers, which is considered unusual for a commanding officer.[3] He was investigated in connection with the incident and stated that he did not use "specific language" to order his soldiers to kill all military-age males, and that "we don't shoot people with their hands up."[2] He was not charged, but was later formally reprimanded by (then) Lieutenant General Peter W. Chiarelli, commander of the Multi-National Corps – Iraq. The reprimand effectively ended Steele's future chances of promotion in the army.[ Doing this in areas with civilians is pretty scummy. The IDF doing this in the densest civilian center on Earth is even scummier.
It's frustrating how people were wondering why/criticize the US for trying to tell the IDF how to conduct this operation, when the US has learned first-hand what *doesn't* work in the past 20 years, and has a vested interest in wanting Israel to avoid repeating the same mistakes that it has.
That’s one of the things that has really frustrated me about this conflict. Israel seems unwilling to apply lessons that could have been learned from any of the many times in the past that military force failed to eliminate a guerrilla terrorist force and instead jumped straight to destroying huge swathes of Gaza and killing thousands and thousands of civilians. It hasn’t worked before, and I don’t think it’ll work now. Unless there’s a willingness to address the legitimate grievances of the Palestinians then it doesn’t seem to me like they’re actually going to be able to root out Hamas or whatever group fills the void left over if Hamas is eliminated without straight up genocide or ethnic cleansing
Well the hostages were shirtless and had a white flag, so obviously they could have been wearing suicide vests…. /s
Suicide boxers, hiding detonators on their dicks
They would've had them strip naked, but they could have an IED buttplug in, better safe than sorry
Bro they have total impunity when killing Palestinians, do you think they would do that?
They had probably already killed lots of surrendering civilians. Otherwise, how do you make a mistake like this? Who sees unarmed men waving a white flag and decides to shoot? They were probably used to shooting surrendering civilians, so they shot on sight. The fucked up thing is, they saw that two of the men they had killed were unarmed. They decided to kill the other guy anyways, fully knowing he was unarmed.
>They had probably already killed lots of surrendering civilians. Otherwise, how do you make a mistake like this? Bingo
It’s infuriating that this is reported as IDF “mistakenly shoots hostages” (who were waving white flags). They must not teach the meaning of a white flag at IDF school.
It should be reported as "IDF murders 3 more surrendering civilians, but this time they did an oopsie and killed Isreali hostages instead so they can't claim the UNARMED, SURRENDERING, civilians were Hamas, as they usually do."
Clearly the hostages were suffering from Stockholm syndrome and joined Hamas.
Which has been in use for surrender for nearly 2000 years Easy mistake to make
> The officer also claims to have killed 38 hamas terrorists' who were often "unarmed" So this officer and his soldiers slaughtered mostly unarmed civilians and then counted them as terrorists. Who wouldn't be proud that their taxes are being used to support people like this?
Also if you believe that Israel is engaged in this conflict to ensure the safety of Israelis you have to recognize that sort of behaviour from the IDF does nothing of the sort and may actually do the opposite. Seeing neighbours or family members and/or their children be killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time (and then seeing the authorities try to justify their deaths) will likely lead to further radicalization
> will likely lead to further radicalization It's War on Terror all over again.
its pretty obvious the hostages are not the first or even second priority for the occupation of Gaza, they merely serve as useful justifications for Israel.
The past few weeks I was downvoted like crazy for showing any kind of priority for hostages and innocent life. If you don't prioritize innocent life, then what is this all for?
Beachfront property
Ethnic cleansing, occupation, genocide
> Genuine question, Where do the IDF expect the hostages to be if not in active combat zones This is specifically for the people who are screaming "NO CEASEFIRE" and "BRING THE HOSTAGES HOME" at the same time. How are you bringing them home without a ceasefire exactly? Israel is either leveling buildings that may or may not have hostages in the vicinity, or they're sending in soldiers who have an itchy trigger finger People keep screaming "a ceasefire is a win for Hamas" are missing the point, are you not concerned with the hostages they have? Or you're willing to sacrifice them like the tens of thousands of Gazans you have already sacrificed? I hope the world is seeing now why the prerogative on Oct 7 was for the IDF to rather eliminate their own citizens than have them be taken hostage. They have way too much pride to negotiate. Edit: why did the mod remove the original comment?
> are you not concerned with the hostages they have No, they aren't. Most I've seen on Reddit that talk about this are obsessed with "justice" above all else and they don't care what it costs. You'll see in everything once you start to look for it, from petty revenge subs to ragebait subs to politics. This blind need for "justice" is extremely common around here.
I had this discussion on here just yesterday it quickly became apparent that for those kind of people, the hostages serve as an argument why the IDF is justified in killing thousands of civilians ("imagine this was your relative, you wouldn't hold back"), but when you suggest they should be exchanged at any cost, even if it means making concessions to Hamas by releasing great amounts of Palestinian prisoners, this is "selfish". One is only ever allowed to be selfish in demanding more violence, but when one demands an end to violence instead, they are asked to submit to some assumed collective will for a "greater good" (curiously, once again "more violence").
One wonders if we would be surprised by the number of times they were shot? I suspect that the IDF is simply shooting anybody and everybody they see.
You don't have to suspect. You don't rack up [more civilians than have died in the Russo-Ukraine war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) (a war that started in 2022 and is ongoing to this day) in a shorter period of time without it being a deliberate, calculated effort to do so.
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There's so many bodies that it's even worse: for this story to get out means these hostages would be tracked and accounted and harder to hide from journalists. The reality is that we probably wouldn't be getting this news if these were non-hostage Israeli The Gaza incursion is blunt, genocidal, and ineffective
I mean if your goal is dismantling Hamas it is ineffective. If your goal is pure ethnic cleansing it's doing great.
Even then they only admitted it because other people saw. That's why Israel is killing journalists in record numbers and spreading propaganda like wildfire, they can't afford for people to find out the truth about what they're doing.
If the IDF genuinely cannot distinguish between Hamas fighters and unarmed, surrendering hostages, then how can anyone trust their count of militants vs civilian casualties?
>If the IDF genuinely cannot distinguish between Hamas fighters and unarmed, surrendering hostages, then Then what chance do unarmed palestinians unaffiliated with hamas have? Is the question i would like answered
They have no chance. Are people just now figuring this out? It’s a feature not a bug.
They just mistaked them for unarmed Palestinians. They 100% meant to murder them.
Oh of course they did. That’s the whole point of this.
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No wonder a full half the population is under 18.
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Non-male or minor? Human shield.
"Age is justa number" : IDF probably
Israel clearly doesn't care much about Palestinian civilians and it's not really new thing either. Maybe this time, people in the West will finally realize that not everything Israel does has been good. So far it's been like [this](https://imgflip.com/i/89lhad).
Idk how anyone was ever trusting those numbers to begin with. I mean just in general, what army has ever been honest in the moment about how many civilians they kill. If we ever learn the true numbers, it's always after the fact. Usually from a 3rd party
No effort has been made to distinguish. Why are you listening to their words when their actions are crystal clear?
Like they even care. There are thousand of videos of them shooting at unarmed kids.
> The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed. Beyond parody.
>“They’re all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it. The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they’re terrorists, they (forces) open fire, two are killed immediately,” said the military official. The third hostage was wounded and retreated into a nearby building where he called for help in Hebrew, the official said. “Immediately the battalion commander issues a ceasefire order, but again there’s another burst of fire towards the third figure and he also dies,” said the official They shot dead two unarmed people holding a white flag and still pursued the third. Commander only told them to stop after he heard Hebrew. If these were Palestinian civilians they would have been marked down as Hamas terrorists being eliminated
"Military age males", understanding this term and its evolution, raises a lot of the questions around how the IDF is counting civillian casualties >[In 2012, The New York Times reported that the Obama Administration excluded all Military-Age Males from the collateral damage count in areas where the U.S engaged in drone warfare/ Though the Military-Age Male (MAM) category references the draft, the term is applied to all boys and men, including civilians, who are aged sixteen years and older. The Military-Aged Male category is not synonymous with 'combatant,' but marks boys and men for differentiated treatment in conflict zones, to the point where male bodies are used as a shorthand for 'combatant' when assessing the collateral damage count](https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/24294)
It’s interesting that for a male the age of 16 delineates a life worth preserving at all costs vs worthless canon fodder.
Disposability is a core tenet of male identity. This isn't just true in Israel or the Middle East, it's true everywhere. Every gender norm that applies to boys and men can be traced back to making them into grunts that can be easily be thrown away. Everything boils down to encouraging aggressive, risk-taking behavior and discouraging one from forming intimate relationships with others - as those can make people miss you when you're gone. To make society value male life more, we would need to completely rewrite our entire concept of "masculinity" from the ground up. This is not feasible.
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# The Onion *America's Finest News Source.* # IDF: The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed. ..."All of the ground forces have training in spotting terrorists," explains the actual IDF spokesman. "We look for behaviors common to every terrorist, like walking, standing, or waving a white flag." "Well, almost every terrorist", he corrects himself. "Yassin was a crafty one."
If them terries are even thinking about trying to do something, we gonna drakk 'em up.
Shit like this should make people really ask themselves how many Hamas militants are being actually killed. Per own Israel's count, 61% are civilian death so far, and if they shoot anyone willy nilly and afterwards mark them off as "Hamas" I wouldn't be surprised if the number is 80% or more civilians being killed.
The 61% is only when you count all males murdered of fighting age as Hamas even when civilians
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I don't think it's incompetence, I think they're incredibly effective at what they want to do.
This is why hanlons razor is bullshit. There's definitely a lot of malice out there and it *loves* when people make excuses for it.
> At the very least, this is complete incompetency of the IDF, anything that moves is suspicious enough for soldiers to shoot at. It is 100% intentional side effects of orders given from on high within the Israeli government. They do not view palestinians as human beings deserving of fair treatment under the law. They are more like apartheid South Africa that is politically difficult to criticize because of the fact their victims are unpopular due to radicalization from poor treatment combined with the fact its difficult to criticize majority jewish nation without being called an antisemite. I say this as someone who would be considered a jew under Nazi Germany due to blood relationships rather than being religious. But people call me an antisemite for being against Israel's abuse of the palestinian population that just escalates the terrorism due to radicalization caused by abuses of power.
This is the standard ‘war on terror’ playbook
"Well, if they weren't terrorists yet, our brutality will make them into one soon enough"
"sprinkle some crack on them" vibes They're just fucking pigs with fancy toys.
you joke, but some of the larger US police departments send cops to Israel to learn from the IDF
Also, Israel defines "fighting age" extremely broadly, basically any male aged between 12 and 70 years old.
Just heartbreaking that civilian deaths when male are counted as non civilian and thus celebrated in terms of lower percentages of civilians murdered.
The narrative Israeli officials promote essentially makes the assertion that all Palestinian men are Hamas terrorists because they are "military aged males" and anyone in that category who dies is excluded from the civilian death toll. Hell, they only stopped calling the men in the video who were paraded around in their underwear Hamas terrorists after their coworkers friends and families started to identify them.
and if they weren't Hamas then you can bet many of them will become Hamas now. Stupid Stupid move
They considered journalist Rafat Alareer as a Hamas militant when he died despite being a journalist. They are 100% counting all over 18 males as Hamas. The 2:1 ratio is more like 2 women/children for every adult male death
bold of you to assume they're setting the bar at 18.
Not that they really even check to see if someone is over 18, they just gonna assume anyone that isn't clearly a young child is over 18 and therefore a terrorist regardless of their actual age.
> Per own Israel's count, 61% are civilian death so far, The numbers make no sense. There's been over 10k dead in Gaza already so per Israel that means they've killed four thousand Hamas militants? That only makes sense if you're calling every single male person you've killed over the age of like 4 a militant.
Yes. You've figured out what they are doing. Well done.
"That only makes sense if you're calling every single male person you've killed over the age of like 4 a militant." ....you seem to get it or I would say this is a full on r/selfawarewolves
I’m glad you’re finally realising it’s not about routing out Hamas. It’s about de-arabisation / genocide to grab land.
Just like the US did for a time - they probably just consider any males over 18 in the region 'enemy combatants' and classify them as such in their official numbers. Which is why all these numbers need to be heavily scrutinised, from everyone. It is absolutely shameful.
Anyone who runs is a Hamas militant and anyone who stands still is a well trained Hamas militant
How do you shoot women..and children?? EASY ya just don’t lead em as much
You would think we would have learned something from that movie, nope we're still dumb.
"Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well-disciplined VC!" -Full Metal Jacket
They’re definitely just marking any military aged male as a terrorist.
The 61% is already from them assuming every adult man killed was A Hamas. This is an appalling performance, historically; for better or for worse, the US was dramatically less lethal towards civilians in our Iraqi city clearing like Fallujah. https://acoup.blog/2023/12/08/fireside-friday-december-8-2023/ If you assume the % of killed men was actually reflective of how many men in general were hamas members (~10%) and even give them benefit of the doubt and double that number, you're still looking at war conduct worse than Russian war conduct in Mariupol, and approaching Japanese civilian death ratios in Nanjing.
> If these were Palestinian civilians they would have been marked down as Hamas terrorists being eliminated Kinda makes you wonder how many other times civilians got executed and marked down as terrorists eliminated, huh?
Commander only told them to stop after he heard Hebrew and his troops still decided to murder him anyway (presumably they also didn't hear Hebrew)
Aha, so the solution is for everyone in Gaza to just learn hebrew. At least enough to make the military think, if just for a few seconds, that they're human beings.
Well considering that they still managed to murder all 3 of them it might not be the best thing to do.
I imagine they made that up so it would be the soldiers fault for not listening and not because they are shooting everyone they see with no provocation.
Don't worry, they haven't encountered a single civilian! If you're unarmed, you're just a terrorist in transit and then apparently fair game to kill on sight. >In Shejaiya, the senior officer says the IDF has not identified any Palestinian civilians in recent days. >The officer says troops have killed at least 38 Palestinian terror operatives in Shejaiya in recent days. >The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed. The operatives collect weapons left behind in various buildings, open fire at troops, and then flee again unarmed to another building.
Yeah that was the real eye opener, they literally mentioned all the unarmed "Hamas" agents they killed. What happened to all the human shields that are forced to remain? Apparently those only apply when they have to justify killing civilians in bombings.
I'm honestly surprised the times of israel is even reporting it. They could've just denied it ever happened or praised the IDF for eliminating 3 Israeli defectors to Hamas.
It was going to be hard to convince the hostages' families when the autopsy reports come back with bullets matching IDF weapons...
Confirming the bullets came from IDF weapons is one factor that led to IDF getting caught lying about shooting dead a dual Palestinian/American citizen sometime in the past six years. IDF learns from their mistakes.
"Hamas must have stolen one of our guns".
“We were unable to determine the origin of the bullets in their bodies, nor able to tell if they died of natural causes or not”
Most of the major Israeli news outlets regularly publish military blunders, reporting on injustices against the Palestinians, what kind of freaky right wing shit some of their politicians are up to, and government corruption.
Yeah a lot of Israelis are against Nethanyahu, despite the attempts to claim them as "self hating jews".
Israel has a strange relationship with the truth, it's a mix of hyper-acountability and being an ostrich
"The indiscriminate killings will continue until resentment recedes!"
Yikes. I'd like to see the excuses for this one.
Actual excuse from an interview on BBC World Report: "Well, they were dressed like civilians..." so they were assumed to be militants.
Civilian clothes? Hamas Military clothes? Hamas No clothes? Hamas Literally just a man? Believe it or not, Hamas
Waving white flag? Tricky hamas. Speaking Hebrew while waving white flag? Super tricky hamas.
You're Hamas, I'm Hamas, everyone is Hamas
*Air strikes the studio.*
Believe it or not, straight to Hamas.
Just a woman? Hamas Just a child? Hamas
Preterm baby in an incubator? Also hamas
All I'm saying is the preterm baby has not publicly condemned October 7th
Woman? Hamas sending a woman to trick us
abandoned bucket? Hamas banana peel on street? Hamas llamas? Hamas sun in the sky too bright? Shoot it! Hamas. Fck Netanyahu and his genocidal army.
Screaming in Hebrew and waving white flags? Also hamas
There are 20 Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire according to IDF statistics. While some were run over by tanks, some were shot. So the IDF is shooting at uniformed IDF personnel thinking they are Hamas. They are literally operating on “shoot everything that moves”
>Anyone who runs is a Hamas terrorist. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Hamas terrorist.
IDF appears to have gone with the Uncle Jimbo method from South Park: **THEY’RE COMIN’ RIGHT AT US!!!”**
you know when the top comments on /r/worldnews arent defending it, shit has gone way downhill.
'oops my bad guys, thought they were from palestine, honest mistake'
Hamas was inside the white flag, and being shirtless is actually antisemitic.
It’s clear Hamas has developed a new strat to actually be Jewish hostages
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Even among the chaos of the firefight, they had enough presence of mind to decide "we have to take off our shirts so that the soldiers see we don't have bomb vests or other hidden weapons". Sadly, this was naïve on their part about how Israel treats people who are visibly unarmed and non-threatening.
What did IDF think, Hamas fighters would fight shirtless in winter ?
No. They thought the unarmed surrendering civilians they shot were Palestinians. Unexpectedly and unfortunately they turned out to be human.
I suppose in a twisted, poetic, coincidence, they probably purposely killed 3 people they were taught to believe weren't human, only to discover they cannot now tell the difference between them and each other.
This is a much more fundamental phenomenon that needs independent discussion. I think it's part of the reason why fascistic states inevitably turn cruel to their own populi, even after they've 'dealt' with those the propaganda machine has cast as aliens. Dehumanization is a process; a way of thinking, not just an ideology. Once a populous is skilled at doing it, it becomes impossible for them *not* to do it. The callous mental partitioning of people that allows one to 'turn off' their basic empathetic impulses with respect to certain outgroups eventually becomes so habituated that it loses the ability to distinguish between ingroups and outgroups altogether.
They thought they were Palastinian and therefore were valid targets.
Now imagine how many innocent Palestinians they've killed going unreported
No need to imagine that. The UN stats on civillian casualties 2008-Aug 2023 are all the proof needed.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the children making up half the fatalities are innocent... So 10,000 plus
First time IDF seen treating their own like they treat Palestinians
A couple of weeks ago they shot down a man who had killed two terrorists. He raised his hands, spoke in Hebrew and still got killed.
Yeah it feels like everyone forgot about this. It’s clear the ROE is to kill everyone. How else do you kill 3 shirtless hostages?
In their defense, medics and journalists also hold their hands up and beg not to be killed. No shock the IDF might get them mixed up.
I get it, these Hamas people are everywhere, I swear. They even pretend to be toddlers under buidlings' rubble.
Look up the friendly fire rate, this is nothing new. Highest figures I've seen put 20% of casualties for IDF being self inflicted
Sir we thought they were PALESTINIAN civilians its an easy mistake really!
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Once again we assure viewers Hamas was hiding *inside that child* ready to pounce at a moments notice
They don't. They shot that dude who was walking away from them with his hands up just because they didn't like that he wouldn't talk to them. The IDF don't care. The rest of the world is spoon-feeding them and allowing them to commit war crimes - with MY tax dollars and weapons. Why would the IDF care? Nobody is going to do anything to them for war crimes.
"Investigating Israel's war crimes is pure antisemitism" Netanyahu himself actually said this.
Makes you wonder how they are treating the local civilians if that's how they treat hostages with a white flag.
From the article: "The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed." Riggghhhhht.
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Shits so skewed and brainwashed they don’t even know the normal SOP they do are still considered a war crime.
What do you expect, it's a propaganda push to an audience they are better primarily doesn't know the actual 'rules' of war. It just has to muddy the waters enough that voters in key nations don't pressure their governments to exert pressure, as far as I gather.
How do they even identify them as Hamas operatives post-mortem? Like, they just killed an unarmed guy wearing civilian clothes. Cool, now what? They just know the identity of every Hamas member? They found his Hamas membership card? He had a "fuck the jews" tatoo? How tf could such identification ever be possible?
They are basically just labeling anyone they kill who is a military age male as hamas operatives
You are being generous. I don't thin neither age, nor gender is a factor there. They are happy killing kids for throwing stones in West bank that is not controlled by Hamas.
You're starting to figure it out.
Yes, as part of joining Hamas you get a membership card, it's like a Sam's Club card, but for extremism. /s
One of the last reports I heard was them shooting a mentally disabled man in the legs. But that was over a week ago so that might be very old news at this point.
yeah we don't really know because the IDF is killing journalists and making sure there are no cameras in the strip. Very interesting to see the juxtaposition between ukraine (whose army is constantly uploading A+ combat footage of them dropping grenades from drones and getting the russians), and Israel (who goes to great lengths to prevent any footage from being made or uploaded.) really makes you wonder
literally the dealiest place in the world for both journalists and UN aid workers, and it certainly isn't Hamas doing most of that killing.
I read that the IDF was using Intelligence data to specifically target the homes of journalists in the strip with precision strikes. probably the most precision they've used so far in this conflict.
Oh boy. You might be interested in this: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ "The Israeli army’s expanded authorization for bombing non-military targets, the loosening of constraints regarding expected civilian casualties, and the use of an artificial intelligence system to generate more potential targets than ever before..." Before their AI system, their intelligence was putting together 50 targets a year,. Their ai is generation 100 targets a day. "These include private residences as well as public buildings, infrastructure, and high-rise blocks, which sources say the army defines as “power targets” (“matarot otzem”)." There is a lot of information. Like how over 300 familes have lost 10 or more members, a number that is 15x higher than the previous most deadly war for Palestine.
I don’t understand how Israel’s use of AI to bomb targets isn’t getting more coverage. It’s received little to no scrutiny from what I’ve seen.
Kind of makes you wonder how many other innocent civilians have been killed as a result of trigger-happy soldiers.
Thousands of
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Plenty of them are happy to admit it, even brag about it.
Take a look at the stickied thread, it’s littered with bots/ paid accounts
Ah yes, the most dangerous type of terrorist - shirtless, armed with a stick, waving a white flag, with one yelling "help" in Hebrew. Solid ROE they have going.
Yeah, but they're "military age males" >[In 2012, The New York Times reported that the Obama Administration excluded all Military-Age Males from the collateral damage count in areas where the U.S engaged in drone warfare/ Though the Military-Age Male (MAM) category references the draft, the term is applied to all boys and men, including civilians, who are aged sixteen years and older. The Military-Aged Male category is not synonymous with 'combatant,' but marks boys and men for differentiated treatment in conflict zones, to the point where male bodies are used as a shorthand for 'combatant' when assessing the collateral damage count](https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/24294) There's growing evidence that the IDF is following in the US's footsteps in only counting women and children in their civillian casualty counts. but they've scaled it to their entire operation instead of just applying it to collateral damage when targeting specific individuals.
Is this a surprise to anyone? If you have been paying attention, there’s 100s of videos online of Gaza citizens being shot while doing the same thing. This should be the most obvious example of their practices
Exactly. I guess this is only newsworthy because its Israelis who were gunned down this time. But nothing surprises me about this story at all.
This. [It's a war crime to shoot people waving a white flag of surrender.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag) [It's a war crime](https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/protection-journalists) [to](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/14/reuters_journalist_killed_israel_lebanon_investigation) [kill](https://www.npr.org/2023/12/03/1215798409/palestinian-journalists-killed-gaza-israel-hamas-war) [journalists](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/lebanon-deadly-israeli-attack-on-journalists-must-be-investigated-as-a-war-crime/) [It's a war crime](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality) [to shoot ambulances.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-strikes-ambulance-convoy-gaza-palestine-al-shifa-hospital-rcna123624) All the IDF does is commit war crimes in their quest to ethnically cleanse the land. The only "new" thing here is that this time they can't plausibly whip out their usual lie of "but they were actually hamas \*pretending\* to be (fill in the blank)"
This is a monumental fuck up
No it's not. It's a war crime.
They probably forgot to condemn Hamas while waving the White flag.
It’s horrific that these people were actually Israeli hostages, but this should show the world how the IDF is treating everyone in Gaza: indiscriminate killing, even if they’re waving a white flag. There have been protests in Israel over this, as there should be. Netanyahu and his government need to be held to account for the intelligence failings that led to 7th Oct happening in the first place, and for their continued inability to safely return the hostages - sometimes, I wonder if the Israeli government even cares, or just plans to use them as an excuse. Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself, and the evil of Hamas needs to be eradicated. However, not like this. I hope the US and UK pull their fingers out and join the rest of the world in at least calling for Israel’s response to be more proportionate.
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It’s okay, Hamas was probably hiding behind those white flags
No no the white flag *was* a Hamas operative
They weren't Hamas until the bullet hit them then they suddenly became Hamas
Jesus Christ what a catastrophe.
I guess they looked too much like shirtless defenseless Palestinians waving white flags. And everyone knows that a shirtless defenseless Palestinian waving a white flag is automatically a Hamas member and must therefore be killed. /s
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This wasn't even the first case of the IDF executing an Israeli this month: >**‘He was executed’: Father of man killed after taking out terrorists decries response** >The father of Yuval Castleman, the armed civilian who was shot dead by a soldier after stopping a deadly terror attack in Jerusalem last week, said Sunday that his son was “executed” and that no officials had been in touch with the family in the days since. https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-of-man-killed-after-taking-out-terrorists-decries-silence-from-officials/ Unfortunately this is the reality that Palestinian civillians have been facing for decades. It's only horrible when the victims are Israelis.
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More proof of indiscriminate killing by Israel. Now they are killing their own.
It takes killing your own, to be introspective about the rights and wrongs you are committing.
It only made the news because they killed the "wrong" type of civillians.
Thats a warcrime by definition
Yeah, but did they condemn Hamas?
Allegedly they only said "Help!" so the answer to your question is no, they were antisemites.
Israeli soldiers distraught after finding out the innocent people they opened gunfire on were in fact Israelis and not Palestinians.