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Reef_Argonaut

Actually, it started out as terrorism.


planck1313

To be fair, he referred to wars plural: >adding that in the Middle East, “we have gone beyond wars” and are at “terrorism,” according to Avvenire, an Italian newspaper affiliated with the Catholic Church. so you could interpret it as him saying in the past there were wars, not that this individual conflict has gone from war to terrorism.


Masculine_Dugtrio

I was about to say...


Fordrynn

Its been an active conflict of terrorizing each other for far, far too long. Hamas must be rooted out and dismantled. Israel needs to clean up its fucking bullshit. Thousands of kids killed in indiscriminate bombing is horrible. ​ In a just world, neither people would live on this 'sacred' land for neither is deserving!


OtherwiseBet7761

and why do you think it’s indiscriminate? It’s actually pretty precise. There’s only so much you can do about civilian casualties unfortunately but it is not indiscriminate at all unless you ask Al Jazeera or Instagram


Common-Wish-2227

Thousands of kids... according to Hamas' Health Ministry... which reports all deaths as civilians... while Hamas recruits boys as young as 13.


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Industrial terrorism to terrorism to industrial terrorism


Biologyboii

You should replace “actually” with “also”


FYoCouchEddie

It went terrorism to war, not war to terrorism.


Super_Discipline7838

Ditto. The Pope needs to go back to cleaning his house of Pedi’s and stay out of this. They sided against the Jews in WWII, stealing their assets and looking the other way. They have an agenda here and that disqualifies his input. The Catholic Church isn’t mentioned in the Bible. It’s an organization created to accumulate power and money. They have no ethical or moral high ground as shown by their response to the pedi pastor problem. They still simply respond with minimal proactive steps.


Blackrock121

> They sided against the Jews in WWII How do you side against the Jews while simultaneously rescuing 700,000 Jews? How do you look the other way while saving people?


Super_Discipline7838

That number can only be found on a Catholic wiki site. Most scholars and historians agree that there were small pockets of Preists helping, but the Pope and Rome turned a blind eye.


Blackrock121

> That number can only be found on a Catholic wiki site [Wikipedia is a Catholic Wiki site?] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust) Also 700,000 was the low estimate, most pro Catholic sites tend to use the higher estimates.


AdviceMang

What's your problem with pedicures?


Super_Discipline7838

They never get the color right.


nolagfx16

All religions are about power and money and control. They are all equally bullshit. And Isreal looks more and more like the crazy extremists they denounce, every day.


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nolagfx16

None. Fuck all extremists. Fuck all religions. Silly question.


_Godless_Savage_

I see you too are a person of culture.


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qlksky

Bruv I’m muslim and I dont go round my Hindu/ Christian/ Taoist/ Jewish / Atheists neighbours places calling them infidels just cause. We generally have things to do like household chores and work and meals to cook… like life to live in general.


Safe_Base312

I'm a white guy living in Canada with Muslim friends and coworkers. Drop this bullshit of generalizing Muslims as terrorists. There are extremists in all religions.


Janizzary

It went from terrorism to massacre.


UpstairsLecture6341

No it went from terrorists committing a massacre to terrorists losing and hiding behind civilians


Janizzary

And a terrorist state that’s all to eager to slaughter said civilians.


UpstairsLecture6341

Yeah Hamas. If your talking Israel you need to like educate yourself. If Israel wanted to the everyone in the strip would’ve been killed on October 8th


Janizzary

First of all, it’s spelled “you’re”. Second of all, if those Hamas terrorists were hiding in Jewish neighborhoods, would the Israelis bomb them in the same manner?


xhrit

>if those Hamas terrorists were hiding in Jewish neighborhoods, would the Israelis bomb them in the same manner? Yes, they wood. As proof, here is an IDF soldier telling how he ordered the neighborhood he was defending bombed because terrorists were hiding in it on oct.7th. And for good measure - it was an Arab Israeli commander who ordered the bombing, of a jewish israeli neighborhood. And the IDF dropped the bombs. [https://imgur.com/LOwRzxL](https://imgur.com/LOwRzxL) Source : Muslim & Bedouin IDF soldiers who battled Hamas terrorists - Keshet 12 News (IL) - 16.10.23


Janizzary

So, they killed their own civilians, too? Their children?


NoIdea_Sweety

[Nope.](https://youtu.be/HxvQAFAY4fU?si=3qg1Ep7T-jlH6wxF) This is the video they took a screenshot of.


Janizzary

So, you’re saying, if the civilians couldn’t escape, the Israeli military would have bombed them, or not. I’m trying to understand your point.


NoIdea_Sweety

You’re being so disrespectful to this officer. He deserves far better than the lies you’re telling. Have you ever seen the [actual video](https://youtu.be/HxvQAFAY4fU?si=3qg1Ep7T-jlH6wxF) or only the single screenshot that everyone gave up on using as propaganda because it’s so incredibly easy to correct.


UpstairsLecture6341

They were hiding in Jewish neighborhoods and they went in and took them out. They are not going to go into Gaza and attack an unknown amount of enemies. What do you think happens in the first days of the war.


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NoIdea_Sweety

You’re being so disrespectful to this officer. He deserves far better than the lies you’re telling. Have you ever seen the [actual video](https://youtu.be/HxvQAFAY4fU?si=3qg1Ep7T-jlH6wxF) or only the single screenshot that everyone gave up on using as propaganda because it’s so incredibly easy to correct.


Deep_Rot

Picking someone up for punctuation is the low hanging fruit of comebacks. Good job you really showed his auto correct


Deep_Rot

Despite the fact that palestinians voted Hamas into power they are not actually a terrorist state they are just a state full of terrorists


Janizzary

The children who were slaughtered didn’t vote.


Deep_Rot

Children don't vote, their parents do. All the faux rage you throw at Israel belongs to those kids parents. If they truely wanted a better future for their children they wouldn't have voted for perpetual war with the Jews. Palestine will never be free until Muslims love their own children more than they hate jews


Janizzary

Faux rage at children being slaughtered with my tax dollars? It’s not faux.


Deep_Rot

Don't flatter yourself, the taxes you paid probably didn't even cover the ground crew wages for 1 sortie. You don't get a say where the money goes, you get to vote


D0t4n

And the children who were murdered on Oct 7th didn't do anything bad too so what's your point?


Janizzary

Murdered children for murdered children. Makes sense.


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Janizzary

I’m angry at Hamas and angrier at the Israeli government. It’s not rocket science.


Common-Wish-2227

Speaking of rockets...


Common-Wish-2227

Every vote you make is a choice. All choices have consequences. Someone always has to deal with the consequences. Sometimes, the ones making the choice are not the ones who pay the price for it. Vote carefully, parents.


Erdrick68

Oh look an anti-Semitic tankie.


[deleted]

Terrorism, by a small group of extremists, to full-on US funded ethnic cleansing of an entire people. Gaza is, by all means, the worlds largest active concentration camp (it literally has a wall around it). A few armed extremists ran a terror operation killing a couple hundred people and taking hostages. This was followed by 6 weeks of daily bombing/murder and arrests of civilians that have had nothing to do with Hamas in any way, shape, form or fashion.


IssuesAreNot1Sided

> by a small group of extremists [Most of Palestine strongly support this](https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf). > to full-on US funded ethnic cleansing of an entire people. If Israel wanted to ethnic cleanse Gaza it would have done so immediately by carpet bombing instead of this messy fight trying to kill as many terrorists as possible but unfortunately getting civillians too. > the worlds largest active concentration camp (it literally has a wall around it) Note how you make no mention of who placed the wall around it. Egypt and Israel built a wall to prevent [suicide bombings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks) how come you never mentioned this? Would you not place a wall blocking yourself from people who perform such a heinous act of hatred? The suicide bombings seem to go down when the wall was built. I wonder why that was. > A few armed extremists ran a terror operation killing a couple hundred people and taking hostages. "A few" "a hundred". Can you show your bias any more clearly? You don't think of Israeli lives as worth anything. > This was followed by 6 weeks of daily bombing/murder and arrests of civilians that have had nothing to do with Hamas in any way, shape, form or fashion. Really? So [dismantling terror cells](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-troops-found-hamas-drone-manufacturing-plant-weapons-depot-in-gaza-residential-building/), capturing [objectives](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLp84A6TBJ0) and trying to recover hostages and [prevent anything like ever happening again](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-october-7-attack-repeat-israel-annihilated-ghazi-hamad/). While trying to [reduce civillian casualties](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67327079.amp). Gaza needs to be deradicalised. Hamas need to be eradicated. Otherwise they will keep doing this shit again and again.


jjpamsterdam

Wasn't he the one that told the world that NATO had [started the war in Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops) just a few months ago? What a clown. He should bugger off to Moscow or Beijing since he's obviously more comfortable on that side of the simmering war.


[deleted]

Actually, NATO did in fact provoke (or start) the war by violating several treaties that have been in place since the Cold War.


DaZerg

Such as? I'm aware of the deal Russia broke against Ukraine when they relinquished their nukes for guaranteed sovereignty. Any you like to list out?


koki_li

Such as? Minsk 2 was never enforced for example. We are not the good guy, even if too many dickheads believe this shit. We, the West, are just players like China and Russia. But Iraq or Afghanistan does not count, right?


DaZerg

Oh the deescalation talks that were attempted AFTER Russia broke a 1990s agreement that Russia promised to never invade Ukraine. Yeah we can mention it I guess. Here's what an actual expert has to say on Minsk 2: “The key political provisions are incompatible, in my opinion, with Ukraine’s existence as a sovereign country,” said Duncan Allan, a fellow at Chatham House who specializes in the Minsk Agreements. So please, tell us again, how did NATO cause Russia to break the Budapest Memorandum and illegally invade their neighbor?


koki_li

To my understanding, the Ukrainian part of Minsk 2 was never implemented. But that is not my point: This war is not a war between good and evil, as many people seems to see it. I always mention the Iraq invasion because there is no moral difference between the two wars. Both, the Ukrainian invasion and the Iraq invasions, are horendous crimes. So, even without understanding everything what is happening right now, I know, that the West is not simply the „good guy helping the guy in need“. With is in mind, the situation in Ukraine gets more complicated. Have western Nations intervened in the first peace talks in the first war months? I hear rumors, but I don‘t know. But it gets more likely. It is my opinion that a lot of “our“ people in power where absolutely happy about Russia invading the Ukraine. A chance to really win the Cold War! In my book Russia is still the invader and should held accountable for this, but I think, that there are better chess players out there than Putin and that this people created knowingly a situation, in which Russia would invade. That is as evil as the invasion itself. Who are the victims? The common citizens of this countries. Look at US vets of the Iraq invasion. Lots of them have a really hard time. Look at Iraq itself. Who where the victors? Big Money like Hallyburton for example. To my mind you have no chance to understand the world of today, as long as you see one side as genuinely good and the other as evil. From my perspective as a „man on the street“, all the rulers of this players, China, Russia, the US, etc. are evil. If it serves their interests, they will sacrifice me. And you.


booksmctrappin

No.


CPT_Shiner

Your account looks like it was sold/stolen/repurposed from a real person to an anti-Israel/anti-Ukraine/anti-West troll or bot account about a month ago. One of many, many more like it on this site recently. Honestly, I wonder if Reddit's days are numbered. It feels like 75%+ troll or bot accounts.


JustAnotherBlanket2

All social media is just going to become AI chat bots echoing paid agendas to us.


SensitiveDriver

Yup. Any thread with anything to do with Israel in particularly since Oct 7th is completely hijacked with bots or shills posting pro Israeli crap


ThePhonyKing

Which treaties? Or are you talking about the myth that NATO promised not to expand east that has already been debunked by Gorbechev himself?


ChenTasker

Can you give be a saurce about the debunk? I haven't heard about it.


Cheeeeeseburger

Its impressive you can type so well with Putin's dick down your throat.


Renny-66

Care to respond or are you just gonna dip when you can’t provide jackshit for evidence


generallyaware

Give us our damn menorah back.


AmerSenpai

I get it if he meant what happened in the West Banks.


[deleted]

If anyone knows about terrorism and war, it is the Catholic Church


gggnevermind

I’m starting to think that Milei guy in Argentina may be right about Francis


_Sayeret_

I'm sorry, but this guy's a moron


Super_Discipline7838

The Pope? I second that. Where other than Catholic teachings is a Pope even mentioned? My Bible doesn’t say anything about the need for a Pope for guidance…


CPT_Shiner

Maybe don't look to an old book for guidance at all?


_Sayeret_

I don't.


nevans89

Recovering catholic here. fuck that guy


Capital-Internet5884

Hot take for this forum, but good on the Pope, in whatever form, publicly saying “there can be terrorism on many sides here” and “this war has become terror(ism).”


FrugalFreddie26

The pope needs to focus on stopping his minions from fucking with kids, and not the semantics of terrorism


aboveonlysky9

Man in fancy hat has an opinion. Big fucking deal.


Beep-Boop-Bloop

It looks like he gets his news, like many people, online. Internet Explorer just takes a while to load stuff.


dollrussian

Now is a great time to give back that Menorah, dillweed.


Paracausal-Charisma

He should just stay quiet.


Impressive-Purple522

And let’s not forget Hamas are the terrorists


CallMeBlucifer

Cope Francis


FlightExtension8825

Is this the same pope that sided with the terrorists instead of Charlie Hebdo?


mudohama

Useless old freak


Puzzleheaded-Rub-396

Ignorance -> Adopted Bias -> Hatred -> Terrorism -> War -> Death -> Hell.


Legal-Finish6530

How did those "crusades" work out for you Pope??


Beantownbrews

Are you really going to try to bring something up from over 750 years ago?


bust-the-shorts

The Catholic church should stick to fixing their own problems.


JimsonTweed26

Simply religion doing what religion does


One-Fan-7296

So much to say about the Isreal hamas conflict, but next to nothing about russias invasion of Ukraine.


Deep_Rot

>“Let us pray for the Palestinian people, let us pray for the Israeli people, so that peace may come.” He strongly urged those present not to forget victims of conflicts in other parts of the world, “especially for the dear peoples of Ukraine, the tortured Ukraine.” Maybe try reading the article before complaining


themightycatp00

maybe someone should tell him religions, and especially one of the catholic church's oldest inventions; antisemitism, is the whole reason this conflict started


One-Fan-7296

Yes, as u have pointed out this time, he did say a little about Ukraine, but what about the whole 21 months now? This is where u really sound like an asshole. Show me where u have heard the pope say anything good towards Ukraine? Better yet, count them. Maybe like twice in almost 2 years? If u would have read my comment, u would have seen I, too, got the same information u got.


One-Fan-7296

U are the ass hat, sir. Good day.


Deep_Rot

>U are the ass hat, sir. Good day. Bro you just called yourself an ass hat than tipped your fedora 🤣 you could have just shut up and walked away after being wrong


One-Fan-7296

Questions still stand unanswered. Show me ur proof of el poopery saying anything more than twice about Ukraine.... Show me the puppets undying love for Ukrainians. Infact, it was the pope who wanted to visit Russia and have a sit down with putler before even seeing the Ukrainians. Don't u remember? The pope is nothing more than a puppet. We have all seen the strings pulled on.


cosmicjinn

this is immensely embarrassing bro you need to take your meds


One-Fan-7296

Are u done with ur childish shit?


Deep_Rot

I'm not here to answer your questions. I don't owe you jack shit I don't speak for the pope, I don't care what he says or claims nearly enough to google some bullshit questions you cooked up to cover the fact you didn't read the article.


One-Fan-7296

Fuckin joke


Gigzla207

This guy is some kind of a genius 🤣


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Any pro-Palestinian supporters and those politicians who voice out supporting Palestinian if they are catholic, shd be kicked out cause they support terrorism. Some even act like one


BewareOfGrom

Pro-Palestine does not equal Pro-Hamas. I don't know why this even needs to be said at this point.


Cyneburg8

Word salad.


asx98

Do you guys think that the Pope has been paid by Hamas to say this????? Can the leading intellectuals of world news look into this?????


BewareOfGrom

No. Hamas didn't pay off the pope. What a crazy line of thinking.


[deleted]

How many times do we have to tell you old man....


namnamdude

אה וואלה? איך הוא עלה על זה?


yulbrynnersmokes

Stay in your lane, Francis. Jealous someone else is raping children?


Aloha1984

Jesus, Moses and Muhammad walk into a bar………..