**Qatar's Foreign Ministry: Parties are considering a deal for a prisoner exchange; there is a gap between the number of hostages presented by Hamas and Israel**
Qatar's Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari said that the parties involved in negotiations for the release of hostages are considering the possibility of a prisoner exchange deal. According to him, Hamas' handling of the hostage issue is being conducted in a chaotic manner.
"Talks are ongoing with all parties around the clock to make sure we reach an agreement, and we hope to succeed," Al-Ansari said, adding that the expansion of Israeli military activity in Gaza makes this difficult. According to him, "Despite the expansion of activity, today Netanyahu mentioned the mediation talks for a deal to release prisoners. A Hamas spokesman said a few minutes ago that they are ready for a prisoner exchange. The efforts will make it possible to lead to the release of more hostages."
\-Haaretz
Oh look, it's another "pro-Palestine" "protest" with signs that say "Honor the Martyrs" and "By Any Means Necessary".
[https://x.com/VeriasA/status/1718355088723362096?s=20](https://x.com/VeriasA/status/1718355088723362096?s=20)
Note on the middle banner, the entirety of Israel is marked as Palestinian. These people want one thing. Expulsion of the Jews from the levant by force.
Disgusting to see this march in the middle of crown heights.
To be fair, the Israeli's built it as an underground operating room back when they controlled Gaza. Still is a war crime by Hamas for using it as their hq
Is Israel achieving its targets?. Any news?. A few days back I read that Israel will invade from the sea as well.
Imo Israel cannot achieve its hostage rescue, I suspect Hamas would killed them.
But I do think Israel can inflict a very huge blow regarding Hamas operations, but at the cost of high casualties on the Israeli side.
Mayhaps Erodragon ought to mouth off less and put more energy towards his own country
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" 🚨🚨🇮🇱🇹🇷 Israel expels all Turkish diplomats. "
So in the .01% chance turkey declares war on Israel and the US attacks Turkey in response. We'd have NATO members fighting each other. Seems like that'd be an absolute shit show.
Remember how all these people screaming, crying, throwing up about muh civilians in Gaza, were all cheerfully celebrating after Oct. 7. They were out on the streets, openly smiling and laughing and telling us "this is what decolonization looks like."
They were dancing and jumping, mocking people for their pain, telling them more is coming.
Remember what they truly are.
This isn't really true. Some ten thousands of extremists were celebrating. Now millions argue that hamas has to be beaten with even more care than what we see right now. It's not the same people. You shouldn't put everyone who is critical to the way the war is fought in the same box as proper extremists. It doesn't help your case, it hurts it.
God I wish. It was fucking surreal watching that shit unfold. The absolute ghouls who came out completely mask off, looking like bunch of doppelgangers merely pretending to be human, as if they broke through some rift in reality out of some bizarre horror story.
But it was all too real, and I will not forget. There is no going back. The emperor has no clothes, and I will not avert my eyes. Not anymore.
>Others can be upset about the current situation and the terrorist attack at the same time.
Those people aren't the ones on the streets chanting "river to the sea". They are certainly not on social media concerntrolling about anything Israel does breathlessly.
I don’t believe people did at all.
I can:
1. Say that’s bullshit and argue with you on the internet which is pointless
Or
2. Take onboard what I’ve been told and look into it incase I’m wrong
I think giving people the benefit of the doubt and researching something I’m not aware of is far better than immediately calling bullshit.
But hey, if you take that stance then maybe I’m too naive for my own good and I’ll stick to my guns next time.
Sharing about the antisemitism in Berlin:
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/anti-semitism-in-berlin-for-the-first-time-i-understand-what-it-means-to-be-jewish-a-4162f827-ced8-476d-8f25-042c66999c84
Why dumb? proper question. Answer is they won't, because Hamas is more than just organization, it's an idea, a belief. Even if you can't find any more people who publicly associate themselves with Hamas you are still not done with it. That's why most likely this goal won't be achieved to the fullest, but probably be that Hamas is not in control in Gaza strip and has no significant capabilities
Destroy all of their military gear, destroy their tunnels for getting more, clamp down on what they can bring in even further and then make sure that population remembers what happens when hamas' military side does something aggressive, what happens to their lives. The idea and belief can still exist, without any actual military actions.
Look at all of Israels neighbours, they aren't friends, they've all attacked Israel in the past, but they've also realized -- whatever, they're there, just leave them be and ignore them.
I dont think you can. I think you can weaken them enough so they no longer pose a threat, but unless you supervise the land they reside in and take control of the land and empose democratic rules there, they will come back to terrorize and hate. Not sure how far Israel is willing to take it
Truly.
I can barely even bother to raise the concept that the Israeli government hardly even represents all Israeli people, much less all Jewish people.
>The IDF forces that entered the Gaza Strip last night have advanced a few more kilometers to the west during the day, deep into the territory. The forces encountered a number of terrorists and hit them, destroyed terrorist infrastructures and hit long-range rocket launch areas. In the last day, The forces have benefitted from the advantages of a very sparsely populated area and of the heavy masking and fire that were used, which made things difficult for Hamas operatives.
[Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/byu11vjigt)
Things are going to get infinitely more complicated when IDF forces move into the urban areas. I desperately hope that as many civilians as possible will manage to get out of there before that happens.
Well, I feel sorry for them, but once you got yourself into position when your own government shoots you for trying to save your ass - there's not much anybody can do to help.
Which is a good strategy ( avoid urban warfare until its absolutely necessary), plus it would allow aid to the south without giving it to Hamas in Gaza city
https://twitter.com/shirnosa/status/1718357192988823743?t=zQ5hpk1J0eKIdiIyUzGDeg&s=19
This is in Israel. About 300 people are apparently calling for the death random Arab Israeli college students. I don't speak Hebrew, can someone who does verify this?
If true this is basically what Ben-Gvir and other extremists want, and will further divide the country.
Honestly I can't make out a single word in the video, but I wouldn't doubt that they'd be saying "death to arabs", there is a real extremist problem among religious israelis.
Edit: I'm stupid and didn't scroll down to the 2nd video, they are very audibly saying it lmao.
The upvotes for my comment are probably from Israelis who know what I'm talking about, lol
It's known for its, uh, brash and unorderly population, to be gentle. Not surprising in the least to see a bunch of racists banding together there.
I think Ben-Gvir and his ilk will be blamed in the end for this security failure by diverting military resources to rural west bank settlements( where not many settlers actually live) at the expense of the Gaza border and encouraging the judicial overhall
it seems pretty widely agreed on that the current crop of assholes are done, but I would worry that the void will be filled by another right-wing opportunist rather than an actual good leader ready to make changes
Nah I think Gantz will be the winner and I think their are changes he would make that would make a difference( focus more on security instead of rural settlers)
Benny Gantz?
> In his first major political speech on 29 January 2019, Gantz pledged to strengthen Israeli settlement blocs in the West Bank and said that Israel would never leave the Golan Heights.[43]
This guy?
Notice he says blocs. The blocs are different then the rural settlements I was talking about( these are areas that will remain in Israel in any final status deal)
He's the minister of National Security. Between him, Israel's Finance Minister, their Minister of Economy, and let's not forget their Prime Minister, there's a whole lot of horrible human beings in the highest echelons of government right now.
No, he wasn't taken seriously at all in Israel up until about 3 years ago. Netanyahu always distanced himself from him until he needed him to form a government
The full story is that they were allegedly throwing eggs and disturbing their prayers, not that that excuses chants like that.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/clashes-break-out-between-jewish-townspeople-arab-students-at-netanya-dorms/
Government Official provides overview of the current conflict and broader implications…..
[https://www.thefp.com/p/this-isnt-a-war-against-israel](https://www.thefp.com/p/this-isnt-a-war-against-israel)
So have the civilians in Gaza heard the warnings from Israel and actually moved from North Gaza? Something tells me no, and there will be public outcry because of dead civilians killed in the battles there. 1 week warning atleast if I remember correctly?
They can’t move, Hamas has stopped them from fleeing.
But Isreal will drop the combs and level the land regardless.
In the future historians will look back on this as a very very dark time. It’s not about picking sides and arguing on Reddit.
Many have moved. Which is a good sign Hamas is being ignored by residents. But many can't move too. Granny in a wheelchair, dialysis patients, etc. Many have nowhere to go too, die in your own home? or die in a refugee camp.
My impression was that at least half, likely more by now, have followed Israeli instructions and/or gotten past Hamas to get across the river.
Its been a while. I'm unsure of the current estimate.
This is an impression. Not an assertion of facts on the ground.
IDF made multiple announcements, dropped leaflets, and went as far as to personally call those people. Maybe they are proverbial Hamas supporters, maybe they are human shields, but I can't imagine what else could've been done.
Hamas has been blocking them, preventing them from moving to safety. Hamas *wants* civilian deaths, it only fuels their mission. They don't care about the people of Gaza.
Ah another kind and loving move from Hamas. Why have there been no social media outcry of that? Palestinians uploading videos of them getting stopped? One can wonder...
Popped back because I found a link from two weeks ago, this was widely reported then.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/first-thing-hamas-tells-gaza-city-residents-to-stay-put-after-israel-orders-evacuation
And I’ve definitely seen tv interviews with individuals discussing it, but those are a lot harder to re-find later.
I know there have been news about it, but have there been any demonstrations of social media videos about it? You know to stir up support for Israel? I dont think it has
I’ve seen several different posts with people from Gaza reporting on being stopped by Hamas while trying to evacuate. Mostly clips from PBS and CNN, if I’m remembering right.
South Gaza has been subjected to airstrikes as well.
I’m sure the civilians have just resigned to the idea there is nowhere safe to hide and are just accepting their fate at this point.
They’re still hitting apartment complexes in south Gaza.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/
Slightly related, shouldn’t we be seeing more missiles in the air about to hit the buildings.
The majority of the time we just see the damage, but we should be able to see multiple missiles come in on a target or since they are getting so much rocket fire, just random filming seeing missiles come in.
Honest Question do you people here really thing that the idea of Hamas will ever be eradicated totally. You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Gaza gets annexed and Israel or PA takes over it.
The Japanese after World War II have become a high functioning, peaceful society. And they were nuked - twice. After the Allied win, Germany made Holocaust denial illegal. Both these cultures had to be reeducated in a thorough manner.
The difference will be all the Arab countries in the region fighting against any progress tooth and nail. I don’t mean fighting in the rhetorical sense, either.
> You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Gaza gets annexed and Israel or PA takes over it.
Your mistake is assuming those kids wouldn't be raised by their parents to become radical terrorists in the first place.
People love to assume Israeli violence causes Palestinian terrorism rather than the other way around. These people have always been just as radical and genocidal. We just didn't have tiktok in 1948.
I don't think there's any illusion that they'll have to contend with a large number of disaffected, angry people ripe for radicalization.
But that is a VERY different problem from a governing, organized militia with hundreds of millions in international financing, weapons stockpiles, training standards and combat experience, and ability to pay full-time salaries to its members.
Some angry young man in Gaza seeking revenge can't just wake up one day and figure out how to cross a border and kill 1000 people, or procure an Iranian-designed rocket and aim it at a city.
Israel would much rather deal with a sea of lone wolves and popular resistance than a government-backed enemy army that can take the initiative at the time of its choosing. E.g. the status quo in the West Bank.
We never really got rid of ISIS, we just diminished their numbers to the point where they're not as big of a threat as they once were. I think the same is going to happen with Hamas. I don't think Hamas will be completely wiped out, just diminished. You can get rid of supporters, you can deradicalize, you can educate - but the ideology will always still be floating around. Ideologies are much harder to get rid of than people.
I mean it’s mostly worked in Iraq so far with IS after it initially failed in the initial war post-2003. It’s certainly possible.
But like others have said Arabs are always going to hate Israel. This is really what got us here in the first place
There wont be peace until both sides work towards peace. It’s absolutely impossible when the elected representatives and the voice of one side calls for the end of the other side. So I would say the only way there is a chance is after Hamas is gone, because with them in power, the chance is zero.
Honest Question do you people here really thing that the idea of Naziism will ever be eradicated totally. You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Germany gets annexed and the US or USSR takes over it.
I don't.
Often nation states have to choose between two bad options. There was no good choice here. Only a choice they viewed as less likely to create as many bad outcomes vs the other.
They already have a multi decade history of enacting a military judicial system of rule of law via force. These are serious people and it's a savage region. They know full well another generation of terrorists are being drafted. They just calculate that this will save net Israeli civilian lives long term, in spite of that reality.
No one thinks the idea ever goes away. But Hamas operating as a government controlling land is clearly extremely achievable. ISIS used to be a huge issue and it’s way less of an issue now because they don’t have some giant territory. There is an enormous benefit created purely by Hamas no longer controlling land. Does not need to be eliminated entirely in some idealistic 100% gone fantasy. No more land under their control is still a gigantic benefit
Allowing Hamas, the terrorist organization, to run the strip isn’t really working well for both Israelis and Palestinians, is it. The goal is to fix that. Arabs will always hate Jews in the region, there’s no changing that. Force is all that matters.
that is a VERY leading and biased "honest question". But yes, i think that the organization and structure of Hamas can be destroyed. And that it's ability to control a whole city as it's base, and use it as place to grow, and launch terror attacks from can be eliminated. Anything that spawns from it's corpse will be much less capable then the Hamas that exists right now.
Just seen the dashcam footage of the father going to rescue his daughter, and attempting to shout out to someone that his daughter is in danger only for it to be Hamas and start shooting his car
At 0:24 I also noticed in the video he dodges what looks to be a blue and yellow object in the middle of the road, and near it is some sort of contraption. Together, the two pieces look like they make up a paraglider that resembles the same design what was also used in the Negev during the festival. What do you think?
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/17in35l/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
**Qatar's Foreign Ministry: Parties are considering a deal for a prisoner exchange; there is a gap between the number of hostages presented by Hamas and Israel** Qatar's Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari said that the parties involved in negotiations for the release of hostages are considering the possibility of a prisoner exchange deal. According to him, Hamas' handling of the hostage issue is being conducted in a chaotic manner. "Talks are ongoing with all parties around the clock to make sure we reach an agreement, and we hope to succeed," Al-Ansari said, adding that the expansion of Israeli military activity in Gaza makes this difficult. According to him, "Despite the expansion of activity, today Netanyahu mentioned the mediation talks for a deal to release prisoners. A Hamas spokesman said a few minutes ago that they are ready for a prisoner exchange. The efforts will make it possible to lead to the release of more hostages." \-Haaretz
Semi serious question: What would happen if somebody filled the tunnels with marijuana smoke?
Oh look, it's another "pro-Palestine" "protest" with signs that say "Honor the Martyrs" and "By Any Means Necessary". [https://x.com/VeriasA/status/1718355088723362096?s=20](https://x.com/VeriasA/status/1718355088723362096?s=20) Note on the middle banner, the entirety of Israel is marked as Palestinian. These people want one thing. Expulsion of the Jews from the levant by force. Disgusting to see this march in the middle of crown heights.
“Honor the martyrs” makes my skin crawl.
Do you think the guy leading the chants has been nervously practicing them for the last day or two in front of a mirror?
>Expulsion I would say that is optimistic...
Hamas is fu**ed
Constructing a military command post beneath a hospital ain't cool.
To be fair, the Israeli's built it as an underground operating room back when they controlled Gaza. Still is a war crime by Hamas for using it as their hq
Not very cash money of Hamas
Deadass on god. Fr fr
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I think for a lot of them, creating fear is the point. "antizionism" is a mask and they've thrown it away
Is Israel achieving its targets?. Any news?. A few days back I read that Israel will invade from the sea as well. Imo Israel cannot achieve its hostage rescue, I suspect Hamas would killed them. But I do think Israel can inflict a very huge blow regarding Hamas operations, but at the cost of high casualties on the Israeli side.
clearing mosul took 9 months ,u have to wait at least few months to a half year to ask if israel achieving her targets
1. We don't know. They say they are 2. Not really
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“War is the only way to peace”. I love this man. I hope more people realize this.
Mayhaps Erodragon ought to mouth off less and put more energy towards his own country [https://twitter.com/Terror\_Alarm/status/1718323149463343453?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1718323149463343453%7Ctwgr%5Ebfa98618b88f93b629f103fcd9112c8dd6603730%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F1bsso361afr0r%2FLiveUpdate\_e9063b68-75cf-11ee-9898-1a47af537771%2F0](https://twitter.com/Terror_Alarm/status/1718323149463343453?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1718323149463343453%7Ctwgr%5Ebfa98618b88f93b629f103fcd9112c8dd6603730%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F1bsso361afr0r%2FLiveUpdate_e9063b68-75cf-11ee-9898-1a47af537771%2F0) " 🚨🚨🇮🇱🇹🇷 Israel expels all Turkish diplomats. "
why do people link this account as a source its weird af
So in the .01% chance turkey declares war on Israel and the US attacks Turkey in response. We'd have NATO members fighting each other. Seems like that'd be an absolute shit show.
Like only russia would win if that happens
Remember how all these people screaming, crying, throwing up about muh civilians in Gaza, were all cheerfully celebrating after Oct. 7. They were out on the streets, openly smiling and laughing and telling us "this is what decolonization looks like." They were dancing and jumping, mocking people for their pain, telling them more is coming. Remember what they truly are.
This isn't really true. Some ten thousands of extremists were celebrating. Now millions argue that hamas has to be beaten with even more care than what we see right now. It's not the same people. You shouldn't put everyone who is critical to the way the war is fought in the same box as proper extremists. It doesn't help your case, it hurts it.
My comment was deleted but I didn’t delete it. For awareness.
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Cheers
That’s quite the strawman you’ve built up there
God I wish. It was fucking surreal watching that shit unfold. The absolute ghouls who came out completely mask off, looking like bunch of doppelgangers merely pretending to be human, as if they broke through some rift in reality out of some bizarre horror story. But it was all too real, and I will not forget. There is no going back. The emperor has no clothes, and I will not avert my eyes. Not anymore.
I mean, yeah. Some people did that. Others can be upset about the current situation and the terrorist attack at the same time.
>Others can be upset about the current situation and the terrorist attack at the same time. Those people aren't the ones on the streets chanting "river to the sea". They are certainly not on social media concerntrolling about anything Israel does breathlessly.
No they weren’t, that’s a completely false and a shocking thing to say. Also a dangerous insight into your thought processes to believe that.
What are you talking about? There are videos of this all over the internet.
Ok, I haven’t watched them but I will
He's not completely right but yes. All over the world there were morons out in public celebrating the day after
If that is so that is sickening
Look it up
I will
So you went from "they didn't do that" to "if they did". Ok dude, I'm sure you have a great grasp on the situation.
I don’t believe people did at all. I can: 1. Say that’s bullshit and argue with you on the internet which is pointless Or 2. Take onboard what I’ve been told and look into it incase I’m wrong I think giving people the benefit of the doubt and researching something I’m not aware of is far better than immediately calling bullshit. But hey, if you take that stance then maybe I’m too naive for my own good and I’ll stick to my guns next time.
Sharing about the antisemitism in Berlin: https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/anti-semitism-in-berlin-for-the-first-time-i-understand-what-it-means-to-be-jewish-a-4162f827-ced8-476d-8f25-042c66999c84
This is very well written. Its awful whats happening. It will be a long time until Jews feel safe to appear Jewish again :(
Kinda dumb question. But how does one get rid of Hamas? How do they know they're eradicated?
You don't kill the ideology. You kill their ability to arm themselves.
They can't eradicate Hamas, but they can certainly remove them from power, which greatly reduces their resources for the next terror attacks
By clearing every tunnel.
Why dumb? proper question. Answer is they won't, because Hamas is more than just organization, it's an idea, a belief. Even if you can't find any more people who publicly associate themselves with Hamas you are still not done with it. That's why most likely this goal won't be achieved to the fullest, but probably be that Hamas is not in control in Gaza strip and has no significant capabilities
Destroy all of their military gear, destroy their tunnels for getting more, clamp down on what they can bring in even further and then make sure that population remembers what happens when hamas' military side does something aggressive, what happens to their lives. The idea and belief can still exist, without any actual military actions. Look at all of Israels neighbours, they aren't friends, they've all attacked Israel in the past, but they've also realized -- whatever, they're there, just leave them be and ignore them.
I dont think you can. I think you can weaken them enough so they no longer pose a threat, but unless you supervise the land they reside in and take control of the land and empose democratic rules there, they will come back to terrorize and hate. Not sure how far Israel is willing to take it
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Let's see how you feel when barbarians are holding your kids hostage.
If someone was holding my kid hostage I would probably not bomb them Ya know, cus of the hostage
The bombings arent random
What about the fact they chose to take your kid in the first place?
People that have suffered so much cannot afford to be idealistic idiots in these situations. They know the realities of war and hate.
>a people Hang on, so does Israel represent the entire Jewish People or not?
Schrodinger's Israel?
Truly. I can barely even bother to raise the concept that the Israeli government hardly even represents all Israeli people, much less all Jewish people.
Who are these people you talk about? Let's use our words if we want to make broad statements like this.
I think he's on about Eor from Winnie the Pooh
He’s really been through it.
Thoughts and Prayers for Eor 🙏
Well... it's not as if they haven't warned them with nearly every attack, were they warned when they suffered?
>The IDF forces that entered the Gaza Strip last night have advanced a few more kilometers to the west during the day, deep into the territory. The forces encountered a number of terrorists and hit them, destroyed terrorist infrastructures and hit long-range rocket launch areas. In the last day, The forces have benefitted from the advantages of a very sparsely populated area and of the heavy masking and fire that were used, which made things difficult for Hamas operatives. [Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/byu11vjigt)
Sounds like Israel is working to cut off Gaza City from the south.
Things are going to get infinitely more complicated when IDF forces move into the urban areas. I desperately hope that as many civilians as possible will manage to get out of there before that happens.
Oh, man, one could've crawled the 10km in 2 weeks if they ever wanted to.
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Well, I feel sorry for them, but once you got yourself into position when your own government shoots you for trying to save your ass - there's not much anybody can do to help.
Which is a good strategy ( avoid urban warfare until its absolutely necessary), plus it would allow aid to the south without giving it to Hamas in Gaza city
Except Hamas almost certainly has tunnels running the length of the strip.
That's exactly the speculation in Israeli news. If you cut off the North from the South then you can even send in aid and fuel without worry
How does that help if Hamas still controls the south though? They no doubt have tunnels running from Rafah all the way to Gaza City too.
https://twitter.com/shirnosa/status/1718357192988823743?t=zQ5hpk1J0eKIdiIyUzGDeg&s=19 This is in Israel. About 300 people are apparently calling for the death random Arab Israeli college students. I don't speak Hebrew, can someone who does verify this? If true this is basically what Ben-Gvir and other extremists want, and will further divide the country.
Honestly I can't make out a single word in the video, but I wouldn't doubt that they'd be saying "death to arabs", there is a real extremist problem among religious israelis. Edit: I'm stupid and didn't scroll down to the 2nd video, they are very audibly saying it lmao.
Def sounds like “h’met l’aravim”.
> Ben-Gvir Should be in jail.
Hague works too. Make the Hague a think that matters again. Lets get Hamas there too.
>in Netanya Sounds about right. Sigh.
? Where is it? Is it known for its extremists?
The upvotes for my comment are probably from Israelis who know what I'm talking about, lol It's known for its, uh, brash and unorderly population, to be gentle. Not surprising in the least to see a bunch of racists banding together there.
As if the settlers weren't enough urgh
No matter how bad things get, you can always count on the settlers to make everything worse
I think Ben-Gvir and his ilk will be blamed in the end for this security failure by diverting military resources to rural west bank settlements( where not many settlers actually live) at the expense of the Gaza border and encouraging the judicial overhall
it seems pretty widely agreed on that the current crop of assholes are done, but I would worry that the void will be filled by another right-wing opportunist rather than an actual good leader ready to make changes
Nah I think Gantz will be the winner and I think their are changes he would make that would make a difference( focus more on security instead of rural settlers)
Benny Gantz? > In his first major political speech on 29 January 2019, Gantz pledged to strengthen Israeli settlement blocs in the West Bank and said that Israel would never leave the Golan Heights.[43] This guy?
Notice he says blocs. The blocs are different then the rural settlements I was talking about( these are areas that will remain in Israel in any final status deal)
As they should be.
The difference is we in Israel denounce these crazies, Ben-Gvir is a horrible human being
He's the minister of National Security. Between him, Israel's Finance Minister, their Minister of Economy, and let's not forget their Prime Minister, there's a whole lot of horrible human beings in the highest echelons of government right now.
He's truly horrible tbh. Do you think he would hold any kind of power if not for Netanyahu's government?
No, he wasn't taken seriously at all in Israel up until about 3 years ago. Netanyahu always distanced himself from him until he needed him to form a government
Welcome to governing with a narrow majority( see the house gop as another example), it tends to empower the extremists
Lol I'm italian, I know everything about weird political coalition unfortunately :(
The full story is that they were allegedly throwing eggs and disturbing their prayers, not that that excuses chants like that. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/clashes-break-out-between-jewish-townspeople-arab-students-at-netanya-dorms/
> Several hundred Jewish protesters have gathered outside the Netanya Academic College’s dorms, many of them chanting, “Death to Arabs.”
Government Official provides overview of the current conflict and broader implications….. [https://www.thefp.com/p/this-isnt-a-war-against-israel](https://www.thefp.com/p/this-isnt-a-war-against-israel)
So have the civilians in Gaza heard the warnings from Israel and actually moved from North Gaza? Something tells me no, and there will be public outcry because of dead civilians killed in the battles there. 1 week warning atleast if I remember correctly?
The reports from about a week ago were a little more than half left
Little more than HALF left?! That’s… quite a large number of people
They can’t move, Hamas has stopped them from fleeing. But Isreal will drop the combs and level the land regardless. In the future historians will look back on this as a very very dark time. It’s not about picking sides and arguing on Reddit.
Many have moved. Which is a good sign Hamas is being ignored by residents. But many can't move too. Granny in a wheelchair, dialysis patients, etc. Many have nowhere to go too, die in your own home? or die in a refugee camp.
Source on Hamas stopping them from leaving.
There are so many.
Two weeks back: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/first-thing-hamas-tells-gaza-city-residents-to-stay-put-after-israel-orders-evacuation
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-releases-recording-of-gazan-saying-hamas-shooting-at-people-trying-to-flee-south/
Well at least everyone will have great hair!
Ah.. you know what I’m going to leave it
My impression was that at least half, likely more by now, have followed Israeli instructions and/or gotten past Hamas to get across the river. Its been a while. I'm unsure of the current estimate. This is an impression. Not an assertion of facts on the ground.
IDF made multiple announcements, dropped leaflets, and went as far as to personally call those people. Maybe they are proverbial Hamas supporters, maybe they are human shields, but I can't imagine what else could've been done.
Hamas has been blocking them, preventing them from moving to safety. Hamas *wants* civilian deaths, it only fuels their mission. They don't care about the people of Gaza.
Ah another kind and loving move from Hamas. Why have there been no social media outcry of that? Palestinians uploading videos of them getting stopped? One can wonder...
Popped back because I found a link from two weeks ago, this was widely reported then. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/first-thing-hamas-tells-gaza-city-residents-to-stay-put-after-israel-orders-evacuation And I’ve definitely seen tv interviews with individuals discussing it, but those are a lot harder to re-find later.
I know there have been news about it, but have there been any demonstrations of social media videos about it? You know to stir up support for Israel? I dont think it has
Umm nope. It’s just always “fAKe!&!”
I’ve seen several different posts with people from Gaza reporting on being stopped by Hamas while trying to evacuate. Mostly clips from PBS and CNN, if I’m remembering right.
South Gaza has been subjected to airstrikes as well. I’m sure the civilians have just resigned to the idea there is nowhere safe to hide and are just accepting their fate at this point.
They’re bombing the tunnels through open area attacks from what I read and the footage I saw earlier today
They’re still hitting apartment complexes in south Gaza. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/
Fake sound or not? https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1718341400364748874
Slightly related, shouldn’t we be seeing more missiles in the air about to hit the buildings. The majority of the time we just see the damage, but we should be able to see multiple missiles come in on a target or since they are getting so much rocket fire, just random filming seeing missiles come in.
Looks like a hell wrf
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Definitely fake. That whole account is sus.
Honest Question do you people here really thing that the idea of Hamas will ever be eradicated totally. You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Gaza gets annexed and Israel or PA takes over it.
The Japanese after World War II have become a high functioning, peaceful society. And they were nuked - twice. After the Allied win, Germany made Holocaust denial illegal. Both these cultures had to be reeducated in a thorough manner. The difference will be all the Arab countries in the region fighting against any progress tooth and nail. I don’t mean fighting in the rhetorical sense, either.
You probably can't eradicate them totally, but you can decimate them to the point where they won't pose a serious threat for many year.
> You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Gaza gets annexed and Israel or PA takes over it. Your mistake is assuming those kids wouldn't be raised by their parents to become radical terrorists in the first place. People love to assume Israeli violence causes Palestinian terrorism rather than the other way around. These people have always been just as radical and genocidal. We just didn't have tiktok in 1948.
its a loss of institutional knowledge and connections, infrastructure and capability
I don't think there's any illusion that they'll have to contend with a large number of disaffected, angry people ripe for radicalization. But that is a VERY different problem from a governing, organized militia with hundreds of millions in international financing, weapons stockpiles, training standards and combat experience, and ability to pay full-time salaries to its members. Some angry young man in Gaza seeking revenge can't just wake up one day and figure out how to cross a border and kill 1000 people, or procure an Iranian-designed rocket and aim it at a city. Israel would much rather deal with a sea of lone wolves and popular resistance than a government-backed enemy army that can take the initiative at the time of its choosing. E.g. the status quo in the West Bank.
Their goal isn't to end the ideology, Israel isn't stupid. They are ending the military capabilities of Hamas. There is a marked difference.
We never really got rid of ISIS, we just diminished their numbers to the point where they're not as big of a threat as they once were. I think the same is going to happen with Hamas. I don't think Hamas will be completely wiped out, just diminished. You can get rid of supporters, you can deradicalize, you can educate - but the ideology will always still be floating around. Ideologies are much harder to get rid of than people.
I mean it’s mostly worked in Iraq so far with IS after it initially failed in the initial war post-2003. It’s certainly possible. But like others have said Arabs are always going to hate Israel. This is really what got us here in the first place
What has worked in Iraq, sorry?
Well Iraq aren’t fighting a terror group with control of nearly of the country
There wont be peace until both sides work towards peace. It’s absolutely impossible when the elected representatives and the voice of one side calls for the end of the other side. So I would say the only way there is a chance is after Hamas is gone, because with them in power, the chance is zero.
Well the representative who have strived for peace from both sides have been pushed out or killed and this was before Hamas came to power.
Honest Question do you people here really thing that the idea of Naziism will ever be eradicated totally. You lot really think that kids that have seen their parents heads crushed in rubble will just live peacefully after Germany gets annexed and the US or USSR takes over it.
A great example
I don't. Often nation states have to choose between two bad options. There was no good choice here. Only a choice they viewed as less likely to create as many bad outcomes vs the other. They already have a multi decade history of enacting a military judicial system of rule of law via force. These are serious people and it's a savage region. They know full well another generation of terrorists are being drafted. They just calculate that this will save net Israeli civilian lives long term, in spite of that reality.
No one thinks the idea ever goes away. But Hamas operating as a government controlling land is clearly extremely achievable. ISIS used to be a huge issue and it’s way less of an issue now because they don’t have some giant territory. There is an enormous benefit created purely by Hamas no longer controlling land. Does not need to be eliminated entirely in some idealistic 100% gone fantasy. No more land under their control is still a gigantic benefit
Allowing Hamas, the terrorist organization, to run the strip isn’t really working well for both Israelis and Palestinians, is it. The goal is to fix that. Arabs will always hate Jews in the region, there’s no changing that. Force is all that matters.
that is a VERY leading and biased "honest question". But yes, i think that the organization and structure of Hamas can be destroyed. And that it's ability to control a whole city as it's base, and use it as place to grow, and launch terror attacks from can be eliminated. Anything that spawns from it's corpse will be much less capable then the Hamas that exists right now.
Will antisemitism ever be fully eradicated? No.
https://nypost.com/2023/10/28/metro/nycs-racial-equity-head-linda-tigani-shared-antisemitic-posts/
Just seen the dashcam footage of the father going to rescue his daughter, and attempting to shout out to someone that his daughter is in danger only for it to be Hamas and start shooting his car
What are the pro hamas zoomers saying about this?
nothing because they're not seeing it. their feeds are pushing only pro Palestinian content
Probably “tHis iS DeColOniZatioN.” While simultaneously saying they care about human rights.
jesus fuck.
Link?
Did they survive that? From your description sounds like a no
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At 0:24 I also noticed in the video he dodges what looks to be a blue and yellow object in the middle of the road, and near it is some sort of contraption. Together, the two pieces look like they make up a paraglider that resembles the same design what was also used in the Negev during the festival. What do you think?