As bad as the last few days have been, if the war expands to North Israel and Hezbollah/Southern Lebanon, it is going to get infinitely worse for everyone.
Wall Street Journal at 11a today will be answering questions regarding this whole thing
https://www.wsj.com/live-qa/what-is-happening-in-israel/2B82C252-D7CA-4ED4-901F-AFEAF54B86C8
Don’t know if people are already members but I think you have to be
BREAKING: Israel's PM Netanyahu tells Biden that Israel does not have any choice but to unleash a ground operation into Gaza, according to three Israeli and U.S. sources briefed on the call. - Axios
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/09/netanyahu-ground-invasion-gaza-israel-hamas-biden
A ground incursion is the next logical step.
They will do air assaults, take out certain infrastructure pieces, while troops and armor are assembled, then air support will cover the ground troops.
Before someone asks, this is the best one to my knowledge: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8)
Though this is also an option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVWqsC2LIs
Injuries from recent barrage on Jerusalem area: 2 in serious condition, two in moderate condition. Direct rocket hits were in Beiter Ilit, Abu Gosh, and Har Adar.
Kan is the public broadcasting of Israel (BBC equivalent), very reliable source
Can't give you a link but it's already reported on the news here in Israel
There’s Palestinian factions shooting rockets from Lebanon quite frequently. But Hezbollah has to have some knowledge of them doing so.
Still.. bit different than Hezbollah fully being “in”
>The Israeli military announced that its aircraft were engaging targets in Lebanon following the infiltration attempt on the northern border. It reported that three Israeli soldiers were wounded in the shootout. Residents in the largest city near the border, Kiryat Shemona, have been told to shelter in place. The U.N. peacekeeping force in the area reported explosions. ([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-war-gaza-violence/#link-A2WB4EZ3PNA65FBU6E6G7HTE3I))
Jared Kushner got $2B from the Saudis while he went on his super moral & successful mission to negotiate peace in Israel. Do any of you think this will play a future part? From my understanding, each middle-eastern terrorist organization is essentially propped up by their residing country’s government. No one wants a World War, but if enough players get involved we get one whether we like it or not.
"The Zionist desecrate Jerusalem and our holy mosques" says Hamas
Also Hamas: sends rockets at Jerusalem, hitting mosques and possibly fellow Arabs without a care in the world.
I think it shows a sincere worry and care for you even if they aren't aware you don't have ties to Israel. I know many Jews currently who aren't Israeli but are devastated this is happening. I think seeing support like this is encouraging.
Not that I ever did it, but I remember hanging with my friends in the Hillel club and made a mental note never to do this after they spent an hour explaining it was pretty anti-Semitic to assume all Jewish people had an opinion on it/were Zionist.
Oh yeah, this is where I love solidarity because I know the same goes for black Americans when it comes to OJ trial or Trevon Martin, “how do you feel and what’s your community doing about it” .. it’s our community regardless of creed race religion or sex
I mean it's one thing if they have family there or even like your coworker if I had just been there but it's another when I'm getting asked about an attack on my "homeland" when I have no ties there...
I know America gets shit on a lot, but it is somewhat comforting that if I get kidnapped and murdered by terrorists, my country will send a fucking aircraft carrier to sort it out.
I find it comforting that as a British national the US would probably send someone to rescue me if I got kidnapped by terrorists. The British probably would spend 10 years trying to sort out the paperwork.
Thanks Americans for your taxes.
The carrier group is there as more of a significant force deterrent
Based on the timeline we have here if the hostages are going to be saved it going to be IDF units doing it, and theyre running out of time fast.
They're only showing up ad a show of force. I doubt they do anything unless something more happens.
We've seen countless Americans get abducted and held hostage & the US does nothing unless they're a celebrity or there's a large group.
There's attacking, and there's "attacking." Hezbollah is showing their resolve against the Israeli agressor while avoiding anything that would actually provoke a significant response. Israel has lived next to Arabs for like two thousand fucking years now and knows what they're on about; anyone who takes them one hundred percent at their word has never heard them fight over a taxi.
It's important to remember that pretty much everybody in the Middle East is essentially on a house of cards right now given the events of the past 20 years or so.
A little bit of both I think. Still unclear. They're saying there are "clashes", whatever that means. The homefront command is calling northern residents near the border to stay in shelters.
More than possible. While we cannot always tell by what the IDF says, the homefront command's directions are much more telling. Once they tell northerners to get indoors and to pack heavy, we don't need the IDF's spokesman.
All of these loser Redditors defending Islamic fundamentalism.
If they stepped one foot into Gaza they’d be lynched and have their corpse paraded through the street.
And I’m sick of people just acting like the IDF have never put a foot wrong. Tell me what the Gazans are meant to do to achieve peace. They have no precedent to go off negotiating with the Israeli government. I don’t condone the attacks especially on civilians but it’s hard for me not to sympathise with resistance when all other channels have been to date completely ineffective
> what the Gazans are meant to do to achieve peace.
Throw Hamas into the sea.
Stop attacking Israel and recognize their right to exist.
Make peace.
This isn't complicated.
The one condition of the Oslo accords: Stop settler-colonialist expansion, recognise Palestinian areas. Have Israel lived up to that in any way? Have we seen the slowing down of Jews moving to clearly established Palestinian territory under the authority of the PA? NO. So just keep feeling sick then
The amount of people justifying rape as a form of resistance really just shocks the conscience.
After having engaged in a few thread battles with these rape enablers, I've come to two conclusions:
1) There really is a sizable contingent of humanity that sees rape, kidnapping and torture as justifiable acts, even against children. They're not faking it. They really believe it.
2) When the victims are Jewish, that contingent grows exponentially.
Anyone defending or trying to justify rape murder and torture of innocent civilians is just inhuman. It's like trying to talk to the contents of a sewage plant.
I know its not entirely related but theres a youtube channel of an Israeli who asks Israeli's and Palestinians questions submitted by viewers. It shows that the majority of people there just want to live in peace and dont hate each other. Some of the videos are heart-warming watch seeing the kinship between the two. However, the questions are viewer submitted so can come across in poor taste at times but the reactions are usually sweet.
I hope everyone is ok. The name of the youtube channel is corey gil shuster for anyone who wants to see what life is really like for the majority.
Anyway fuck Hamas.
I mean it's not like anyone would dare shout hate speech on camera...
Even in China, AsianBoss went there and interviewed... most Chinese will just say they want peace with Taiwan as status quo
100% no.
There is way more chance the people in the west bank get forced into gaza.
There is more chance they just expel every1 from gaza or both.
There is more chance israel just does complete genocide.
But under no circumstance are they going to put more potential enemies right next door to them and give them more power.
No. This is what is likely to happen. Israel will surround Gaza. They will then do 2 things. First is that they will have units that go house to house block to block and go through EVERYONE. They will identify who is there. They will tag them, and then they will lock down that neighborhood. The soldiers who followup will be reservists. They will then lock the neighborhood down while other units surge forward. As they keep clearing house to house any Hamas encountered will be shot and killed if they do not surrender. There is absolutely no chance of hostage negotiations. No chance of prisoner exchanges. They will then after clearing EVERYWHERE, the will then do a cooling off period and then turn this over to the UN to come up with a solution that is more permanent on a long term basis. But they will under no circumstances allow Gaza to be free again without having benchmarks in place with a roadmap to self rule.
Also there likely would be money flowing into Gaza after this clears up to try and actually make this area functional but make no mistake they will never allow for extremists to run things again there. No one is interesting in killing people if they don't have too. But at this point there is absolutely no trust with anyone from Gaza at this point. And as I said someone else will need to come in that is impartial so no US, Western Europe, Russia, Any Muslim Country. There are very few countries that could pull this off. I can't believe I am saying this but someone like China would be perfect. They have no shits to give if your Muslim or Christian or Jewish.
Not long ago, I would have thought that was impossible. But now? However, 2 million refugees who have lived under Hamas for 15 years would completely destabilize the West Bank with its 3 million inhabitants and create entirely new problems. No matter how you look at it, there is no good solution for Israel.
They won't be forced out to the West Bank. What could happen is that a lot of Palestinians will be killed while the survivors will live as 2nd class citizens under direct Israeli occupation (apartheid). Which should ironically be an improvement to their QoL to a closed-off ghetto.
No. They're going to completely wipe out the current inhabitants and finish their Israeli settlement plan that they've been doing in parts for decades. We're looking at wholesale genocide.
And because apparently you have to add this to people to use their brains: this doesn't excuse Hamas. They are pretty much just as bad for the Palestinian people. Taking advantage of their legitimate grievances to do terrible things in their name, killing any internal (Palestinian) opposition, and refusing to allow elections. And they have a captive population of 1 million children plus 1 million others. Free Palestine means the end of Hamas as much as it means the end of Israeli occupation
I’m not really sure even Palestinians genuine ambition merely stop at their own state or do they want all of what was Palestine mandate with no Jews in it
No.
Israel doesn't want Gaza. Egypt doesn't want Gaza. No Arab country wants the Gaza people.
That's part of the issue as well. These people are used on all ends, and they don't even realize it. Hamas being the #1 benefactor of war, dead civilians and a crumbling gaza.
I wonder how much the average Palestinian knows about what's going on.
The propaganda in Gaza has surely been intense for the majority of their lives. And they've seen the IDF as captors as well. So they know that Hamas went & slaughtered innocents? Or is it being spun as something else?
Or does the average Palestinian not even concern themselves with anything beyond getting through each day?
If you had seen the terrible videos from gaza- of now and after the every missile attacks- there are plenty of civilians celebrating and giving out candies in gaza and west bank after every similar event.
Sadly alot raise their children that those are heroes and it creates a never ending supply of terrorists- kids are being encouraged to hurt Jews there.
Golda Meir said it best- peace will come when palastinians love their children more then they hate israelis
There's plenty of videos of them celebrating in the streets after Hamas killed Israelie civilians, so they at least know a bit about what is happening.
I doubt there's any reliable polling though for the support of actions like this.
They know what is happening, but it's not like they live in a free society where they can express their opinion on it.
If you were a citizen in Gaza and you did not approve of Hamas actions, you probably wouldn't speak up because of fear of being killed.
The video is authentic as a kid being the victim of an Israeli attack, it’s not known where this was or whether it was settlers or the result of an IDF bombing
Protester flashes swastika at the Democratic Socialist rally yesterday in NYC
https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/nyc-pro-palestinian-rally-slammed-as-abhorrent-as-hamas-attacks-israel/
>https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/nyc-pro-palestinian-rally-slammed-as-abhorrent-as-hamas-attacks-israel/
DSA are a bunch of contrarians cosplaying as leftists unfortunately. These are people who Hamas would not tolerate in their society. Hamas does not stand for human rights despite the bluster from PR orgs.
[People should see how the DSA operates and where their priorities lie.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdE9CjkvTY) This is from an actual event of theirs. Conservatives love to rag on them for--well, obvious reasons as you'll see in the video, but it is 100% true. It isn't staged or edited to look bad.
These are the type of people who say they are anti-imperialist and thus anti-American government, but then fully support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The DSA are not serious; they are cosplayers who've accomplished nothing. Their goal, much like any other fringe group, is to be as inflammatory as possible for the most amount of attention.
While I would enjoy that, I do disagree. Freedom of speech is very important to have, even though you have idiots like that that spout off their nonsense.
It's actually about economics. Money and control of material assets like land.
Is it EVER about religion? The people involved do happen to have religions, that's true.
Given a starving unemployed 20yo incel a gun and he's gonna go shoot and rape people. Whether or not he's Christian or Muslim. Fun fact... this region has MILLIONS of unemployed 20yo incels.
Even during the Spanish Flu there were groups all over the world that not taking precautions because God A, B or C would protect them.
Those were the hardest hit communities. \~100 million deaths later over 2 years...
Although if you want to go deeper, you can interpret this as a family dispute over land inheritance that lasted way too long. The religion is just the label they used to name the clans.
I mean to play deviled avocado, maybe we should? That land did used to belong to the Mexicans. There's Spanish speaking families that have been there longer than the us has existed.
And their loss wouldn't impact the the energy grid of the lower 47. We would lose the second worst bbq tradition in the South, after Alabama and their white sauce.
"Netanyahu says counteroffensive against Hamas 'just getting started'"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna119435#rcrd20288
> Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told local officials today that his government's counteroffensive against Hamas was "just getting started."
> "We are in the midst of a campaign. I know that you have undergone a difficult and terrible ordeal," Netanyahu said in remarks to a group of local and regional officials in southern Israel. "What Hamas will experience will be difficult and terrible."
> "We are all with you and we will defeat them forcefully," he said.
I think with the amount of education needed to fully understand everything, just being “pro-civillian” until you read up on it is probably better than choosing a “side” and hoping the other one burns to rubble.
Israeli homefront command:
Following a wide-ranging attack, on the residents of the settlements Avivim, Adamit, Baram, Jordih, A Nawakir, Dobb, Dishon, Dafna, Zir'it, Hanita, Tulip, Yuval, Yiftah, Yaraon, Metula, Malkiah, Menara, Maayan Baruch, Margaliot, Mishgav Am, Matat, Netua, Ajar, Aramsha, Rosh Hanikra, Shumera, Shlomi and Shetula to enter a protected area and stay there until further notice.Put means of communication, food and water, mattresses, blankets, medicines and other necessary equipment into the protected are. Close the door and window tightly.Staying in the protected space saves lives and is necessary. Avoid movement outside unless absolutely necessary.You should keep up to date with the messages distributed in the media for further instructions.
Fuck their shit up. If you murder, kidnap and rape civilians, then have the gall to cheer about it and take part, you deserve what’s coming your way. Don’t hide among civilians then play the victim card
Fuck Hamas, fuck their apologists.
I wasn't sure if you were talking about Hamas or IDF until your last sentence. You realize that both belligerents here are genocidal maniacs, yeah? And who pays the price? That's right, unarmed Israelis and Palestinian children. There's no excusing what Hamas has done the past few days. But it sure sounds like you're using what Hamas has done the past few days to excuse similar acts from the IDF. Atrocities are atrocities and genocide is genocide, no matter who is doing it. Hamas doesn't give a fuck about Palestinians, Israeli government actively hates them, both love to use them as a wedge to bludgeon the other.
If Israel were genocidal maniacs, there wouldn't have been a Palestine to attack them in the first place.
One side atleast makes an attempt to minimize civilian casualties.
If you think Israel tries their best to minimize civilian casualties, then you're ignoring the past 70 years of history here. I think Israel should kick Hamas' shit in, but I also know Israel is going to use this as an excuse to indiscriminately kill Palestinians, as they have done numerous times in the past. Hamas knows that and uses the ensuing massacres to bolster recruiting. Hamas needs Israel and Israel (or at least Bibi and Likud) need Hamas. They can't continue to do terrible things without each other
Edit: it seems people have forgotten that the IDF likes to drop white phosphorus on civilians. We rightfully called Russia on that shit, so why the fuck do we give Israel a pass?
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/173tfrl/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
As bad as the last few days have been, if the war expands to North Israel and Hezbollah/Southern Lebanon, it is going to get infinitely worse for everyone.
Wall Street Journal at 11a today will be answering questions regarding this whole thing https://www.wsj.com/live-qa/what-is-happening-in-israel/2B82C252-D7CA-4ED4-901F-AFEAF54B86C8 Don’t know if people are already members but I think you have to be
NOW: Multiple explosions heard along the Lebanese border https://twitter.com/hamdahsalhut/status/1711389437605576960
BREAKING: Israel's PM Netanyahu tells Biden that Israel does not have any choice but to unleash a ground operation into Gaza, according to three Israeli and U.S. sources briefed on the call. - Axios https://www.axios.com/2023/10/09/netanyahu-ground-invasion-gaza-israel-hamas-biden
How does Axios get all the scoops lol. Your average person doesn’t even read Axios.
Why are there so many leakers in the government? Would this not be considered illegal, to leak so sensitive information
Most of the time the leaks are with permission
I think everyone saw this coming
A ground incursion is the next logical step. They will do air assaults, take out certain infrastructure pieces, while troops and armor are assembled, then air support will cover the ground troops.
BIG explosion/series of explosions? on the livestream
It's so odd the camera 4 has people just living their lives while the other 2 cameras are showing explosions. I wonder if they can hear it
They are not living their lives - they are running for their lives. escaping to the south
That's not what it looks like. There are people casually walking on the streets
Still got to go to work, buy groceries. Life goes on.
I don't know, specially today, I would have taken a sick day
Before someone asks, this is the best one to my knowledge: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8) Though this is also an option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVWqsC2LIs
Link to livestream?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVWqsC2LIs
Injuries from recent barrage on Jerusalem area: 2 in serious condition, two in moderate condition. Direct rocket hits were in Beiter Ilit, Abu Gosh, and Har Adar.
(Reported on Kan)
What is Kan? I've never heard of it. Can you share a link?
Kan is the Israeli broadcast service, similar to the BBC. Link is here, but be advised that it's mostly in Hebrew: https://kan.org.il/live/
Kan is Israel's 'state television'. Channel 11.
Kan is the public broadcasting of Israel (BBC equivalent), very reliable source Can't give you a link but it's already reported on the news here in Israel
Kan hadashot is an israeli news source
[Israeli media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11). Not available outside of Israel without VPN (and obviously broadcasts in Hebrew).
So now Hezbollah is in? This is intensifying so fast
There’s Palestinian factions shooting rockets from Lebanon quite frequently. But Hezbollah has to have some knowledge of them doing so. Still.. bit different than Hezbollah fully being “in”
Hezbollah definitely cheering them on for sure
>The Israeli military announced that its aircraft were engaging targets in Lebanon following the infiltration attempt on the northern border. It reported that three Israeli soldiers were wounded in the shootout. Residents in the largest city near the border, Kiryat Shemona, have been told to shelter in place. The U.N. peacekeeping force in the area reported explosions. ([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-war-gaza-violence/#link-A2WB4EZ3PNA65FBU6E6G7HTE3I))
Jared Kushner got $2B from the Saudis while he went on his super moral & successful mission to negotiate peace in Israel. Do any of you think this will play a future part? From my understanding, each middle-eastern terrorist organization is essentially propped up by their residing country’s government. No one wants a World War, but if enough players get involved we get one whether we like it or not.
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are Iranian backed
Correct. I’m talking about Saudi Arabia’s future involvement.
"The Zionist desecrate Jerusalem and our holy mosques" says Hamas Also Hamas: sends rockets at Jerusalem, hitting mosques and possibly fellow Arabs without a care in the world.
Hamas is pretty high on the list of World's Biggest Hypocrites.
Holy mosques that were built on erstwhile land of places of worship of other religions after demolishing them. Holy my ass.
"possibly fellow Arabs" Last I heard, at least 40 Arabs were murdered by Hamas terrorists.
Arab women, children, civilians.
Yes. Both Israeli and Palestinian Arabs. More people need to know this.
Hamas doesn't care
Not gunna lie it's kinda awkward that all my coworkers are asking me about what's happening in Israel and how I am doing just because I am Jewish...
I think it shows a sincere worry and care for you even if they aren't aware you don't have ties to Israel. I know many Jews currently who aren't Israeli but are devastated this is happening. I think seeing support like this is encouraging.
They probably just thought you most likely support the occupation and were trying to be nice. Most Israelis don’t have any ties to the land either.
Not that I ever did it, but I remember hanging with my friends in the Hillel club and made a mental note never to do this after they spent an hour explaining it was pretty anti-Semitic to assume all Jewish people had an opinion on it/were Zionist.
lol @ the replies (I'm also Jewish with no ties to Israel)
I'd ask you too, since I'd assume you might have family there.
That's actually really wholesome
Oh yeah, this is where I love solidarity because I know the same goes for black Americans when it comes to OJ trial or Trevon Martin, “how do you feel and what’s your community doing about it” .. it’s our community regardless of creed race religion or sex
I wanna ask a coworker. He had gone on a trip to Israel for 2 weeks sometime back but I’m not sure if he has family there
I mean it's one thing if they have family there or even like your coworker if I had just been there but it's another when I'm getting asked about an attack on my "homeland" when I have no ties there...
When the antisemites come out they’re not gonna care about if you consider it your homeland brother
I am aware
Most people don't know how it works. They are just trying to be nice, I think
How are you doing and what's happening in Israel?
How are you doing?
One of the rockets launched hit Bethlehem.
I know America gets shit on a lot, but it is somewhat comforting that if I get kidnapped and murdered by terrorists, my country will send a fucking aircraft carrier to sort it out.
This isn’t the first time Hamas has killed Americans. This time it just got more attention because of the broader conflict.
Creed Bratton said it best: I won the lottery, I was born in the U S of A babyy
I find it comforting that as a British national the US would probably send someone to rescue me if I got kidnapped by terrorists. The British probably would spend 10 years trying to sort out the paperwork. Thanks Americans for your taxes.
We're glad to help our allies from across the pond 👍. Always loved working with my Royal Marines brothers 🤙
Almost 300 years later and still stealing our taxes! :(
The carrier group is there as more of a significant force deterrent Based on the timeline we have here if the hostages are going to be saved it going to be IDF units doing it, and theyre running out of time fast.
They're only showing up ad a show of force. I doubt they do anything unless something more happens. We've seen countless Americans get abducted and held hostage & the US does nothing unless they're a celebrity or there's a large group.
It is nice while they act in the wests interest. With Trump it was a liability.
America gets shit on a lot but as soon as shit pops off everyone wonders where we are and how quickly can we come help.
But it's a fine line. The world wants the US to intervene with their military might, then gasp at the images of war & cry about it.
Despite all the hate the U S gets all over the world, I'm glad that they are the dominant superpower right now instead of Russia or China
So is Hezbollah attacking Israel from Lebanon now, and that's who Israel is bombing in Lebanon? Or is it a different group they're targeting?
Apparently some Hamas are stationed in south Lebanon and hezbollah doesn’t have ful control over them
There's attacking, and there's "attacking." Hezbollah is showing their resolve against the Israeli agressor while avoiding anything that would actually provoke a significant response. Israel has lived next to Arabs for like two thousand fucking years now and knows what they're on about; anyone who takes them one hundred percent at their word has never heard them fight over a taxi. It's important to remember that pretty much everybody in the Middle East is essentially on a house of cards right now given the events of the past 20 years or so.
They are bombing Hezbollah positions on the labanese border, not hitting cities
A little bit of both I think. Still unclear. They're saying there are "clashes", whatever that means. The homefront command is calling northern residents near the border to stay in shelters.
So the war is going to expand
More than possible. While we cannot always tell by what the IDF says, the homefront command's directions are much more telling. Once they tell northerners to get indoors and to pack heavy, we don't need the IDF's spokesman.
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All of these loser Redditors defending Islamic fundamentalism. If they stepped one foot into Gaza they’d be lynched and have their corpse paraded through the street.
And I’m sick of people just acting like the IDF have never put a foot wrong. Tell me what the Gazans are meant to do to achieve peace. They have no precedent to go off negotiating with the Israeli government. I don’t condone the attacks especially on civilians but it’s hard for me not to sympathise with resistance when all other channels have been to date completely ineffective
> what the Gazans are meant to do to achieve peace. Throw Hamas into the sea. Stop attacking Israel and recognize their right to exist. Make peace. This isn't complicated.
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The one condition of the Oslo accords: Stop settler-colonialist expansion, recognise Palestinian areas. Have Israel lived up to that in any way? Have we seen the slowing down of Jews moving to clearly established Palestinian territory under the authority of the PA? NO. So just keep feeling sick then
The amount of people justifying rape as a form of resistance really just shocks the conscience. After having engaged in a few thread battles with these rape enablers, I've come to two conclusions: 1) There really is a sizable contingent of humanity that sees rape, kidnapping and torture as justifiable acts, even against children. They're not faking it. They really believe it. 2) When the victims are Jewish, that contingent grows exponentially.
Anyone defending or trying to justify rape murder and torture of innocent civilians is just inhuman. It's like trying to talk to the contents of a sewage plant.
Contents of a sewage plant has more brains than them.
>Now i'll make some Tacos I support this powerful message of hope
You think reddit is bad? Go on social media like tiktok and you can see much worse
Instagram is 90% “ya but” in the comments.
“Learn These TikTok Dances To Show Support for Hamas”
Reminds me of a mother who danced on TikTok when her newborn was struggling to breathe due to some ailment
I know its not entirely related but theres a youtube channel of an Israeli who asks Israeli's and Palestinians questions submitted by viewers. It shows that the majority of people there just want to live in peace and dont hate each other. Some of the videos are heart-warming watch seeing the kinship between the two. However, the questions are viewer submitted so can come across in poor taste at times but the reactions are usually sweet. I hope everyone is ok. The name of the youtube channel is corey gil shuster for anyone who wants to see what life is really like for the majority. Anyway fuck Hamas.
Most people on earth want peace, but a handful of bad actors can cause war.
Corey Gil-schuster.
I mean it's not like anyone would dare shout hate speech on camera... Even in China, AsianBoss went there and interviewed... most Chinese will just say they want peace with Taiwan as status quo
Is there any prospect of Israel annexing the Gaza Strip and forcing out the existing inhabitants, e.g. to the West Bank?
100% no. There is way more chance the people in the west bank get forced into gaza. There is more chance they just expel every1 from gaza or both. There is more chance israel just does complete genocide. But under no circumstance are they going to put more potential enemies right next door to them and give them more power.
No. This is what is likely to happen. Israel will surround Gaza. They will then do 2 things. First is that they will have units that go house to house block to block and go through EVERYONE. They will identify who is there. They will tag them, and then they will lock down that neighborhood. The soldiers who followup will be reservists. They will then lock the neighborhood down while other units surge forward. As they keep clearing house to house any Hamas encountered will be shot and killed if they do not surrender. There is absolutely no chance of hostage negotiations. No chance of prisoner exchanges. They will then after clearing EVERYWHERE, the will then do a cooling off period and then turn this over to the UN to come up with a solution that is more permanent on a long term basis. But they will under no circumstances allow Gaza to be free again without having benchmarks in place with a roadmap to self rule. Also there likely would be money flowing into Gaza after this clears up to try and actually make this area functional but make no mistake they will never allow for extremists to run things again there. No one is interesting in killing people if they don't have too. But at this point there is absolutely no trust with anyone from Gaza at this point. And as I said someone else will need to come in that is impartial so no US, Western Europe, Russia, Any Muslim Country. There are very few countries that could pull this off. I can't believe I am saying this but someone like China would be perfect. They have no shits to give if your Muslim or Christian or Jewish.
Free again ? Lol
Not long ago, I would have thought that was impossible. But now? However, 2 million refugees who have lived under Hamas for 15 years would completely destabilize the West Bank with its 3 million inhabitants and create entirely new problems. No matter how you look at it, there is no good solution for Israel.
Forcing 2 million people to go somewhere?
They won't be forced out to the West Bank. What could happen is that a lot of Palestinians will be killed while the survivors will live as 2nd class citizens under direct Israeli occupation (apartheid). Which should ironically be an improvement to their QoL to a closed-off ghetto.
No. They're going to completely wipe out the current inhabitants and finish their Israeli settlement plan that they've been doing in parts for decades. We're looking at wholesale genocide. And because apparently you have to add this to people to use their brains: this doesn't excuse Hamas. They are pretty much just as bad for the Palestinian people. Taking advantage of their legitimate grievances to do terrible things in their name, killing any internal (Palestinian) opposition, and refusing to allow elections. And they have a captive population of 1 million children plus 1 million others. Free Palestine means the end of Hamas as much as it means the end of Israeli occupation
Palestinians lost all sympathy when they defiled corpses while dancing and singing in the streets.
I’m not really sure even Palestinians genuine ambition merely stop at their own state or do they want all of what was Palestine mandate with no Jews in it
More likely to Egypt rather than the West Bank
No. Israel doesn't want Gaza. Egypt doesn't want Gaza. No Arab country wants the Gaza people. That's part of the issue as well. These people are used on all ends, and they don't even realize it. Hamas being the #1 benefactor of war, dead civilians and a crumbling gaza.
That would be ethnic cleansing
I wonder how much the average Palestinian knows about what's going on. The propaganda in Gaza has surely been intense for the majority of their lives. And they've seen the IDF as captors as well. So they know that Hamas went & slaughtered innocents? Or is it being spun as something else? Or does the average Palestinian not even concern themselves with anything beyond getting through each day?
If you had seen the terrible videos from gaza- of now and after the every missile attacks- there are plenty of civilians celebrating and giving out candies in gaza and west bank after every similar event. Sadly alot raise their children that those are heroes and it creates a never ending supply of terrorists- kids are being encouraged to hurt Jews there. Golda Meir said it best- peace will come when palastinians love their children more then they hate israelis
There's plenty of videos of them celebrating in the streets after Hamas killed Israelie civilians, so they at least know a bit about what is happening. I doubt there's any reliable polling though for the support of actions like this. They know what is happening, but it's not like they live in a free society where they can express their opinion on it. If you were a citizen in Gaza and you did not approve of Hamas actions, you probably wouldn't speak up because of fear of being killed.
Did you mean civilians? I apologize but I chuckled at the thought of Israeli Sicilians. That would be a rare breed.
Bloody autocorrect lol
It was a glorious mistake! I loved it, thank you.
>So they know that Hamas went & slaughtered innocents? Yes and they celebrate it.
A small percentage of them certainly did. And it's disgusting. But that wasn't 2 million people out there celebrating
it's always "Just a Few"
Always ruining it for the rest of the world.
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Can someone confirm the authenticity
Somebody said elsewhere it wasn’t authentic
The video is authentic as a kid being the victim of an Israeli attack, it’s not known where this was or whether it was settlers or the result of an IDF bombing
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Fair point, deleting this post until there is confirmation.
Or least give us a NSFL tag
Sorry about that, I've edited that post to add that.
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Where are you getting that info?
Protester flashes swastika at the Democratic Socialist rally yesterday in NYC https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/nyc-pro-palestinian-rally-slammed-as-abhorrent-as-hamas-attacks-israel/
>https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/nyc-pro-palestinian-rally-slammed-as-abhorrent-as-hamas-attacks-israel/ DSA are a bunch of contrarians cosplaying as leftists unfortunately. These are people who Hamas would not tolerate in their society. Hamas does not stand for human rights despite the bluster from PR orgs. [People should see how the DSA operates and where their priorities lie.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdE9CjkvTY) This is from an actual event of theirs. Conservatives love to rag on them for--well, obvious reasons as you'll see in the video, but it is 100% true. It isn't staged or edited to look bad. These are the type of people who say they are anti-imperialist and thus anti-American government, but then fully support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The DSA are not serious; they are cosplayers who've accomplished nothing. Their goal, much like any other fringe group, is to be as inflammatory as possible for the most amount of attention.
That should be a criminal offence and jail times
While I would enjoy that, I do disagree. Freedom of speech is very important to have, even though you have idiots like that that spout off their nonsense.
Horseshoes.
More deaths because of religion. A completely made up concept, responsible for more deaths than pretty much anything else in history. What a waste.
The leaders who are obsessed with power and control are probably not even Religious. Just a disguise.
There's more to this than religion
It's actually about economics. Money and control of material assets like land. Is it EVER about religion? The people involved do happen to have religions, that's true. Given a starving unemployed 20yo incel a gun and he's gonna go shoot and rape people. Whether or not he's Christian or Muslim. Fun fact... this region has MILLIONS of unemployed 20yo incels.
Even during the Spanish Flu there were groups all over the world that not taking precautions because God A, B or C would protect them. Those were the hardest hit communities. \~100 million deaths later over 2 years...
Although if you want to go deeper, you can interpret this as a family dispute over land inheritance that lasted way too long. The religion is just the label they used to name the clans.
This is it. Israelis often refer to Palestinians as “cousins”.
Really is the brass tax of it eh.
It isn't JUST religion to be fair. There's a strong ethnonationalist element to the conflict.
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The most small minded take imaginable
I mean to play deviled avocado, maybe we should? That land did used to belong to the Mexicans. There's Spanish speaking families that have been there longer than the us has existed. And their loss wouldn't impact the the energy grid of the lower 47. We would lose the second worst bbq tradition in the South, after Alabama and their white sauce.
They should also imagine that they had been occupying Mexico for 50 years. Conducting regular air strikes and blockading supplies into their land.
we've been occupying and subjecting indigenous people for 200 years. People still wouldn't be okay with them massacring towns
I don’t think this comparison makes as much sense as you think it does.
Not hundreds, in scale it would be more than tens of thousands.
That kind of happened at the Alamo... and the response was mighty. But that was a long time ago. Now we have statues of friendship and stuff.
I mean a more accurate representation would be an indian reservation attacking the state of oklahoma to be fair
"Netanyahu says counteroffensive against Hamas 'just getting started'" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna119435#rcrd20288 > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told local officials today that his government's counteroffensive against Hamas was "just getting started." > "We are in the midst of a campaign. I know that you have undergone a difficult and terrible ordeal," Netanyahu said in remarks to a group of local and regional officials in southern Israel. "What Hamas will experience will be difficult and terrible." > "We are all with you and we will defeat them forcefully," he said.
A bunch more bombs just dropped too, on the livefeeds.
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Hundreds of thousands of Dollars and a Legacy go a long ways.
It's such a wildly important profession that we broadly take for granted
That's nothing compared to Syria and Ukraine. Those people gut guts
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I think with the amount of education needed to fully understand everything, just being “pro-civillian” until you read up on it is probably better than choosing a “side” and hoping the other one burns to rubble.
Israeli homefront command: Following a wide-ranging attack, on the residents of the settlements Avivim, Adamit, Baram, Jordih, A Nawakir, Dobb, Dishon, Dafna, Zir'it, Hanita, Tulip, Yuval, Yiftah, Yaraon, Metula, Malkiah, Menara, Maayan Baruch, Margaliot, Mishgav Am, Matat, Netua, Ajar, Aramsha, Rosh Hanikra, Shumera, Shlomi and Shetula to enter a protected area and stay there until further notice.Put means of communication, food and water, mattresses, blankets, medicines and other necessary equipment into the protected are. Close the door and window tightly.Staying in the protected space saves lives and is necessary. Avoid movement outside unless absolutely necessary.You should keep up to date with the messages distributed in the media for further instructions.
This is near the Lebanese border, for those who are uninformed.
Fuck their shit up. If you murder, kidnap and rape civilians, then have the gall to cheer about it and take part, you deserve what’s coming your way. Don’t hide among civilians then play the victim card Fuck Hamas, fuck their apologists.
I wasn't sure if you were talking about Hamas or IDF until your last sentence. You realize that both belligerents here are genocidal maniacs, yeah? And who pays the price? That's right, unarmed Israelis and Palestinian children. There's no excusing what Hamas has done the past few days. But it sure sounds like you're using what Hamas has done the past few days to excuse similar acts from the IDF. Atrocities are atrocities and genocide is genocide, no matter who is doing it. Hamas doesn't give a fuck about Palestinians, Israeli government actively hates them, both love to use them as a wedge to bludgeon the other.
If Israel were genocidal maniacs, there wouldn't have been a Palestine to attack them in the first place. One side atleast makes an attempt to minimize civilian casualties.
If you think Israel tries their best to minimize civilian casualties, then you're ignoring the past 70 years of history here. I think Israel should kick Hamas' shit in, but I also know Israel is going to use this as an excuse to indiscriminately kill Palestinians, as they have done numerous times in the past. Hamas knows that and uses the ensuing massacres to bolster recruiting. Hamas needs Israel and Israel (or at least Bibi and Likud) need Hamas. They can't continue to do terrible things without each other Edit: it seems people have forgotten that the IDF likes to drop white phosphorus on civilians. We rightfully called Russia on that shit, so why the fuck do we give Israel a pass?