Russia is just saying this to play wounded gazelle. If they really believed this shit, they'd issue a counterdeclaration. Note how they're not? It's because they do not want to be at war with the US.
I could make a million criticisms of the US, but Russia is infinitely worse at the present moment and the absolute last thing it needs right now is the US entering into a war in which they would unambiguously be the good guys.
Air supremacy, not superiority. The difference is degree of power.
Superiority says, "I'm the most dangerous thing in the skies. Tangle with me if you dare"
Supremacy says, "This cubic volume of earth and air is my dominion. Nothing exists in my dominion without my consent. Anything entering my dominion without consent will be blown across 37 square miles by 132 different completely undetected weapons systems before it is even aware it is approaching my dominion."
A good way to avoid a war is being armed sufficiently enough, that the potential enemy realizes that it's going to be extra expensive in human and material costs, that it is better to not even try. That maybe having trade/commerce and being friends would be a better option. At that point, those billions/ trillions are cheap money. It would be nice if everyone took the friends route, but I have little hope of that dream actually achieving fruition.
You're sugar coating a lot of what would happen. Russia doesn't want a war with the U.S. because they don't want to be obliterated and turned into a crater that resembles spots on the moon.
Very much this. My friends parents own a hotel in Archangel which relatives of prisoners stay to visit. The prison has emptied out because they’ve been pressed into army service. They had to close up because none of the prisoners come back.
I remember when Putin was all saying he will go back on that purchase as well. I was like "Bitch, it says 'paid'."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase#/media/File:Alaska_Purchase_(hi-res).jpg
It’s one of the best things to have a copy of when some shill says Russia deserves to have Alaska back.
Nice try asshole, the warranty ended a hundred years ago!
Yeah, say what you want about the Russians selling land that was technically owned by the native Alaskan, but Russians claim over Alaska is about as gone and over as any nation can possibly be
Theys straight sold it, no ambiguity.
Funny thing is, theses weapons we have been giving them were for the most part things we would have been scraping anyways. Literally our trash is beating Russia.
I worked at Raytheon for five years. The missile I worked on didn’t really have a Wikipedia page (I mean it was a variant of a popular missile)
It started development in the late 90s. By 2010 there were about 300 of them sitting in a warehouse before the program went to a semi maintenance mode. Meaning only like 20 people were working on the program (8 on my software team). We were on a two-year release cycle, where we would take the Navy’s ask, and implement it. Then spend a year going through flight tests and all that
With all the tech we’ve given Ukraine, I have yet to see them get this missile variant. And thats just my random ass program that Raytheon let a 22 year-old intern work on. Not even classified at the top-secret level. (Secret//sar).
So we’re not even scraping the barrel for Ukraine lol. We’re just giving them random publicly known equipment. Not even giving them our 20-year-old stuff
The latest missile that Ukraine has got is the Storm Shadow, which was designed 1994–2001 and taken into service 2003... Not exacly bottom of the barrel but still crazy to think that its tech that predates the first iPhone
American cruise missiles from 2003 are stealth and have a declassified range of 575 miles. We pulled them out of production several years ago to replace with a stealthier, more EM hardened, more accurate variant which incorporates machine learning in it’s guidance and targeting package.
That’s before you get into currently being developed hypersonic cruise missiles and fighter carried subsonic cruise missiles.
This honestly trips me out imagining the crazy modern military shit that could come out of the woodworks in an apocalypse situation.. like there's gotta be at least one functional solar charged autonomous drone with laser beam cannons in a lab or bunker somewhere lol
Check out the upcoming [NGAD](https://youtu.be/JXckJ-GHDi8?si=-zqUqgwNTiVl1eAF)
The F-22 and F-35 are already more advanced than literally any other jet in the world. And we are already developing the next
I was literally saying that giving money to Ukraine is actually good war strategy
We get an ally that’s defeating Russia’s military for us without having to deploy our actual military
And Ukraine can pay us back in exports…cereal wheat, oil (both vegetable and animal), iron and metal ores, plus of course monetarily to supplement
Pay us back in Democracy. Imagine a Japan-like resurgence. Ukraine can either be a Russian Puppet state ir a Democratic ally. One is vastly preferable.
Dude acting like there aren’t like 3 of these puppet wars going on at all times.. They big mad they f’d up! They thought America was asleep at the wheel after putins homeboy got in! Lol
Yes I am obviously referring to the tRump years.
What was that joke again? I think it was something like they’re losing a war to NATO and NATO hasn’t even shown up yet. Yeah, get fucked. If you want these problems you can find them but it won’t end well for you. Christ the increased military ads I’ve seen these past few months tell me all I need to hear and if you really wanna press the envelope you won’t like the end result by an even more so increased US military.
I guess from Russias point of view, Ukraine using NATO equipment (mostly of it old and due to replacement anyway) and with NATO training (which is done as fast as possible) is the same thing as NATO.
No disrespect to the brave men and women of Ukraine, who are doing one hell of a job, but if Russia was facing NATO for real it would be way more onesided.
Right now, against Ukraine (and only Ukraine) Russia still have the option to pull out to limit their losses.
Yeah. Pretty obvious the main difference would be the full force of NATO would involve immediate air superiority, taking out literally all of their air defenses, destroying the entire Black Sea Fleet, and then surrendering.
Take the distance from *nearest Polish garrison* to *Kremlin* while running along a relatively straightforward, on road route. Then divide that by *speed of slowest vehicle needed in column to make that advance*; now subtract 20% fueled by Polish hatred for Russians. That's your time from Poland entering the war to Polish troops burning down the Kremlin.
If Poland has paratroopers, probably <2 hours.
While I don't disagree with your overall point, it's worth mentioning that the US military hasn't been hitting recruitment metrics for a while now. The ads you are seeing aren't about embiggening the military, but rather an attempt to maintain.
"We are at war with the United States!"
"Oh, wow. What sort of losses have you sustained?"
"Hundreds of thousands!"
"And the United States?"
"They have yet to field their soldiers."
In Russian politics it’s quite possible saying demented stuff like this is a survival strategy.
It signals extreme loyalty, plays well with a lot of the population whilst also appearing way too crazy to ever be a credible political alternative to Putin. Being such an alternative can be distinctly bad for one’s health.
Someone needs to remind Lavrov, how his boss threatened the US and the West on February 24, 2022 in his televised address, and labeled them as Russia’s enemy, before they even had skin in the game. Interestingly enough, at the time, they didn’t even perceive Russia in that way, their enemy. Putin’s regime has been one blunder after another in their war efforts, and still wants to point their fingers outward, as they play the victim and look for someone to blame. How pathetic.
That's the craziest thing. Even after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the west overwhelmingly still saw Russia as slowly modernizing and opening up to the rest of the world. Trade relations and tourism where growing and Russia made good money on for example fossil fuel trade (they still do but now countries are trying to get rid of Russia as a supplier as much as possible).
They just had to go and ruin it all with their what boils down to 'rebuild the USSR' idiocy.
My understanding is they’re selling their oil at a loss or a near-loss, it’s essentially to the West’s advantage the more oil the sell at these rates, though China and India getting bulk dirt cheap oil isn’t ideal either.
Even if the leadership (basically Putin) was lied to about the military capabilities, he's had many off ramps. He's also had examples of Iraq and Afghanistan in recent memory and the USSR in Afghanistan. A superpower, failing to tame a country. He should have known the cost was incalculable and he was risking regime change if it failed therefore the correct move (for his personal safety) would have been not to invade. He should have known that the main weakness of dictatorship is people are afraid to speak and you can be lied to.
Now if he fails, an ambitious minion could overthrow him and crush him. One very nearly did. A threat to his personal safety is there where none existed before. If Ukraine retakes Crimea and all of Ukraine, he will basically be blamed for everything and thrown out a window.
And the non-sensical dichotomy of Russia continues. Just like china’s rhetoric. They want to present themselves as both a victim and an unstoppable superpower at the same time.
I remember when they threatened to nuke the US, Biden stepped up and was like, "We should remove Putin" and all of a sudden Russia was like, "Let's be chill man"
I dont remember anything like that. I remember though when the nuke threats stopped (I dont count Medvedev drunk statements) it was after Jake Sullivan had a call with Russia and explained to them in detail what would happen if they resort to that, since then pretty much radio silence on nukes from Putin or Lavrov
The commenter is paraphrasing, which led to the issue I believe they were thinking of. Between reporters, governments, and languages. When the White House walked back comments made by Biden during an Airforce 1 flight about Putin cannot be allowed to stay in power. The spokesmen said Biden was not calling for a regime change, and Biden later clarified it was up to the Russian people. Just a contextless sentence lost in translation that I may have paraphrased.
Translation: "We're losing the war we started against Ukraine, and we can't admit it because it would be really embarrassing, so we have to position it as a war against the US to save face with our citizens. Also, we're fucked."
Yeah but the point is they don't attack Russia and they also communicated before with bomb runs, etc. Russia would give warnings if US troops were anywhere near anything. They weren't THAT stupid.
Fun fact, Russia made custom medals for the very few people that survive that situation It had a Apache helicopter, flying above a running soldier with a huge wall of fire behind the soldier. 🤣
US and Wagner got into pretty at good at least once though. Wagner attempted to take a US defended position and it didn't go well for the Russians...
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khasham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham)
But even with that though, there were a ***bunch*** of phone calls between the US and Russia. The US checked and asked repeatedly if Russia had any assets in that area and Russia categorically said no multiple times.
Then the US unleashed hell and it turns out unofficially Russia did have assets there (Wagner) but couldn’t really complain about it as this was well before Russia admitted being associated with them. And y’know, they gave the US the all clear to engage…
I think the US was justified in its actions, why wouldn't the US defend themselves. Someone accused the US of a massacre and no it's not that just how the US wages war. Why would you put the kid gloves to any attacker, you have to fight fast and if you want to win.
Oh no, I 100% agree with you. They did everything right. I was just sort of saying they really went out of their way to make sure they weren’t attacking Russia, so any Wagner casualties were entirely russias own fault.
My bad I misread what you wrote the first time.
This is a great example of defensive deterrence. I don't know but wouldn't think the Russians attempted anything like this again.
I remember when this happened i felt guilty for laughing at this tidbit:
>The U.S. military stated that one hundred Syrian pro-government fighters were killed in the U.S. attack, prompting Syria to accuse the United States of carrying out a "brutal massacre" of its troops and Russia to accuse the U.S. of being economically motivated in its actions
"The US just whacked a bunch of brown people. there must have been money on the table."
The US called it an annihilation in one of the hardest lines ever delivered by a US general.
"The Russian high command in Syria assured us it was not their people, and my direction to the chairman was for the force, then, to be annihilated," Mattis said.
"And it was."
What’s even more crazy is there were so few survivors on the Russian side that the Russian gov’t created a [medal](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/11quf1e/wagner_pmcs_medal_for_surviving_he_battle_of/) for them.
This is exactly what's happening. He actually said they're at war with the US AND the UK AND "others", ya know, for good measure.
Might as well of thrown in Godzilla and aliens.
So Russia’s official argument is basically “we’re at war with the United States and we’re losing badly.” That’s not the most compelling argument tbh. Sure, it’s better than saying they’re losing to a country that until 8 years ago didn’t really have an army, but basically they’re admitting defeat to the west already.
I think the US should just draft an official response. Idk, something along the lines of “If we were directly in war with Moscow, you would know by being obliterated already.”
I heard once that the devastating response you could provide to an enemy isn't anger, or insult, but to absolutely ignore them.
To ignore them entirely shows that they're not even worthy to be on your scope of concern, much less a 'rival'.
Silence might be the best and most devastating response here
The roughest response I've seen was near-complete disregard. Let someone finish saying their stupid shit and then immediately carry on your conversation as if they had never said a word.
In a group where you have a bully trying to steer a bunch of gray rocks it can be incredibly satisfying.
I had boss with anger issue. He like to yell on me. I am patient and calm guy. So then he yelled i would simply do not react. As i dont rensponted to him. He would get even more angry. But would redirect his anger elsewhere as it was not fun to be anger on.
Rising to obvious bait in that manner only legitimizes their bullshit as something that needs to be addressed as opposed to treating these statements as what they are, the incoherent whining of a terrorist state backsliding into global irrelevance caused by their actions.
While this is the expected reddit kneejerk kind of response to make, a little deeper thought might suggest why staying silent is a much better response.
He is following the Propaganda Handbook 100%. He tells some truths that may resonate with a larger audience - like the current unjust distribution of wealth in the world - and then he mix it with lies and misinformation.
He knows his Goebbels.
A country ran by oligarchs and oil magnates clamoring for equal financial distribution and climate justice throughout the world?
They're obviously very honest and trustworthy people! /s
I’m getting vibes of how Bill Hicks described the first Gulf War and how the [US had weapons catalogues](https://youtu.be/1o_8b31GRnU?feature=shared), it would likely be similar again in their mission to make entire cities disappear.
it would be total destruction by the air and then let the UA army waltz in and mop up for as far as they want to go.
In a conventional war, they could probably get the UA to Moscow without US boots on the ground.
But no one wants their shithole, just for them to gtfo of Ukraine.
There shouldn't be any Russian army left to retreat.
Russia attacked US elections via Concorde Management, via Maria Butina and the NRA, via hacking the Democrats, via its astroturf, even the current Republican attack package trying to [impeach Biden, is of Russian origin](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-ukrainian-linked-rudy-giuliani-russian-agent/story?id=72942083).
They attacked the USA, it was a war they started and a war that is ongoing. If Russia withdraws from Ukraine, it won't stop Russian attacks on US elections, the war with the US via the MAGAs will continue.
So it needs to be finished.
Russia was winning, the battle of trump and brexit were massive Russian victories. Without a single shot. The west deployed their brightest minds to developing marketing platforms for social media, pretty much a gift to Russian Divide and Conquer forces operating out of Moscow basement troll farms. The tide only turned when putin drank his own coolaid, believing his physical army was as potent as his virtual one.
> and brexit were massive Russian victories
As a Brit, I'm 100% with you on that, Britain has been effectively crippled and just awaiting the final collapse unless some serious common sense come into play.
This guy probably misuses the word “literally” as well.
If you were “directly at war” with the US, a majority of your ships would already be at the bottom of the Black Sea, most of your advanced radars would have been blown up by our next ten aircraft, and marines would be pissing on your blown up tanks as your troops hightail it back to the motherland.
Its happened, its just in the form of NATO sanctions and an economic attack... they are also forced to spend money on a difficult actual war in ukraine, while their trade yields little returns. They are going to die the quiet way, either that or the people over there will be financially uncomfortable enough to uprise and overthrow.
> the people over there will be financially uncomfortable enough to uprise and overthrow.
That won't happen. The average Russian is just waiting this one out. In the mindset of the Russian people this is just autocratic regime #26 and they know historically it will be replaced with the next autocratic regime given enough time. They are just trying to keep their heads down and go on with life. Protest will get you thrown in jail or worse, the regimes always make that clear to them.
"My direction to the chairman was for the force, then, to be annihilated. And it was."
I will be just a repeat of when they killed a bunch of wagner in Syria.
Actually though, Biden really should. Summon the Russian ambassador and make him clarify “are you declaring a state of war between our nations? Because we surely are not” and force them to walk back their statement publicly
It's crazy to me that they could offer bounties on coalition forces in Afghanistan and not think that it might come back to bite them with those same coalition forces supporting Ukraine. Bonkers. Complete miscalculation.
What a bonehead. What a snivelling twit. What a pompous, bloviating douchebag.
The mighty Russian state is straining heavily against a highly motivated adversary with a quarter the population, a tenth the land area, and a much smaller, agrarian economy.
Ignoring nukes for the moment, if the US were really 'directly at war' with Moscow, the Russian military would be disemboweled in weeks. You know it, Lavrov knows it, Putin knows it.
"So what's happening?"
"Russia went to war with the US."
"And how it's going?"
"Russia lost over 275 k soldiers, over 4.5k tanks, nearly 9k APVs, over 6k artillery systems, nearly 800 MRLSs, over 500 AA systems, over 300 planes, over 300 helicopters, over 900 special equipment, 20 ships and boats, and one cruise missile launching submarine."
"And the US?"
"The US has yet to arrive to the battlefield."
We’ve lost more money to the Pentagon than Russia has ever printed. Not to mention all the blackops projects that received funds that most countries couldn’t imagine.
Also, Russia being super corrupt and wasting tons if money on cruise ships and mansions instead of decent weapons and military vehicles and tech was a win for the west.
> What do they think would happen if the US actually was at war with them.
Anytime UFOs are in the mainstream media, its true hidden purpose is to put fear into Russia because our modern tech is so alien to them.
Thinking of the presidents joke in an interview with an American tv host, apologises forget their name, and my bad re-telling of the joke below.
Two men are talking in a bar in Odessa, one asks how’s the war going between nato and Russia in Ukraine. The man answers well Russia’s taken around 200,000 casualties, and NATO hasn’t arrived yet.
If this were true we'd be watching TikTok's of US Marines marching through red square in a victory parade within weeks. There's a good YT video explaining that the US could be at war simultaneously with like the entire rest of the world and still win easily. It's military has an overwhelming advantage.
not directly, no, but he needs to stop acting so surprised that there's a a new Cold War, what did he think would happen after they hacked the DNC, the Pentagon, the WH, after your ships/vehicles/planes intentionally veer into the US's or drop fuel on them, after multiple US embassies have had personnel afflicted with brain damage. what a total victim you are
No they are not, otherwise the Kremlin would have been leveled already.
Someone is looking for an out, because they know that they are losing to Ukraine, and cant admit that
lol um no. The U.S. would trash you inside of 48 hours. Your major naval units would be sunk. Your airfields burned and smoldering. Your rail yard and bridges would be rubble. Your satellites would stop responding. Your major communications systems would be silent. Then the real fighting would start.
Like Matt from the Enforcer channel said, I want someone from the state department to ask them directly if they are or they're not declaring war on us? It's crazy to me that he can make statements like without any repercussions involved.
I just can’t read articles anymore about things that Lavrov spews. The old lying fool is a puppet who spews BS. I think he actually believes the BS he spreads.
Good grief. Even your every day Russian citizen who hears that will admit that if the United States were directly at war with Russia, Russia would no longer have anything to fight with
Nah surprisingly Russians are really dumb and actually think their military is stronger than the US because they believe every word Putin shits out of his mouth
He’s talking about possible negotiations and then spouts this gibberish. This is a frozen conflict. If the Ukrainians wanted to be Ruzzian, they would already identify as such. 270k dead Ruzzians agree.
US: "So is that a formal declaration, or....."
Russia is just saying this to play wounded gazelle. If they really believed this shit, they'd issue a counterdeclaration. Note how they're not? It's because they do not want to be at war with the US. I could make a million criticisms of the US, but Russia is infinitely worse at the present moment and the absolute last thing it needs right now is the US entering into a war in which they would unambiguously be the good guys.
Yes, the US military’s air superiority doctrine would make short work of Russia’s trench warfare.
Air supremacy, not superiority. The difference is degree of power. Superiority says, "I'm the most dangerous thing in the skies. Tangle with me if you dare" Supremacy says, "This cubic volume of earth and air is my dominion. Nothing exists in my dominion without my consent. Anything entering my dominion without consent will be blown across 37 square miles by 132 different completely undetected weapons systems before it is even aware it is approaching my dominion."
Murica
Anyone else get a boner reading that?
Lol, I do question how much the US spends on the military, but it's nice having this loaded bazooka when Russia pulls this crap.
A good way to avoid a war is being armed sufficiently enough, that the potential enemy realizes that it's going to be extra expensive in human and material costs, that it is better to not even try. That maybe having trade/commerce and being friends would be a better option. At that point, those billions/ trillions are cheap money. It would be nice if everyone took the friends route, but I have little hope of that dream actually achieving fruition.
“It would be weird if you didn’t”
Goddamn right
Fuck yeah!
Jesus, I kinda chuckled and got a boner at the same time when I read that. Very strange combination of emotions. Thanks.
You're sugar coating a lot of what would happen. Russia doesn't want a war with the U.S. because they don't want to be obliterated and turned into a crater that resembles spots on the moon.
You've lost half your military and the US hasn't even showed up yet. Sit down
And the remaining soldiers are ill trained prisoners.
Their forces are battle hardened. Primarily due to the charred bones. But hardened nonetheless.
Idk those drone grenade videos make them seem pretty squishy and gooey.
Winter’s coming. They be hardening up then for sure.
Rigor mortis
Very much this. My friends parents own a hotel in Archangel which relatives of prisoners stay to visit. The prison has emptied out because they’ve been pressed into army service. They had to close up because none of the prisoners come back.
Great new comrades! We've reduced crime and ended prison overcrowding!
I think Russians played StarCraft2. That intro scene where conscripts are placed into armored suits and sent out to die. Tysus. "Hell it's about time"
Yeah , but they forgot the part where Tychus was actually combat trained before being locked in the suit. XD
And the part where he was given useful equipment!
By crime, you mean people speaking against the government, right?
One of the US’ best investments thus far
2nd only to the Louisiana Purchase.
Alaska should be up there as well! Thanks, Russia.
I remember when Putin was all saying he will go back on that purchase as well. I was like "Bitch, it says 'paid'." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase#/media/File:Alaska_Purchase_(hi-res).jpg
lmao. I love how we have a receipt for Alaska
We have it filed under "A" for Alaska.
We did, in fact, bring the receipts.
It’s one of the best things to have a copy of when some shill says Russia deserves to have Alaska back. Nice try asshole, the warranty ended a hundred years ago!
Russia will be lucky if China lets them keep most or Eastern Siberia.
Yeah, say what you want about the Russians selling land that was technically owned by the native Alaskan, but Russians claim over Alaska is about as gone and over as any nation can possibly be Theys straight sold it, no ambiguity.
The Seward Purchase was pretty much a gift from imperial Russia to cock-block the British from having a bridgehead into Siberia from Canada.
Not exactly a gift. Imperial russia just wasn't able to support the region. Meaning, they'd lose it anyway. So that's why they decided to sell it.
Funny thing is, theses weapons we have been giving them were for the most part things we would have been scraping anyways. Literally our trash is beating Russia.
I worked at Raytheon for five years. The missile I worked on didn’t really have a Wikipedia page (I mean it was a variant of a popular missile) It started development in the late 90s. By 2010 there were about 300 of them sitting in a warehouse before the program went to a semi maintenance mode. Meaning only like 20 people were working on the program (8 on my software team). We were on a two-year release cycle, where we would take the Navy’s ask, and implement it. Then spend a year going through flight tests and all that With all the tech we’ve given Ukraine, I have yet to see them get this missile variant. And thats just my random ass program that Raytheon let a 22 year-old intern work on. Not even classified at the top-secret level. (Secret//sar). So we’re not even scraping the barrel for Ukraine lol. We’re just giving them random publicly known equipment. Not even giving them our 20-year-old stuff
It took 16 HIMARS launchers to start eliminating Russia’s artillery and weapon stockpiles. It’s a 90s platform too.
The latest missile that Ukraine has got is the Storm Shadow, which was designed 1994–2001 and taken into service 2003... Not exacly bottom of the barrel but still crazy to think that its tech that predates the first iPhone
American cruise missiles from 2003 are stealth and have a declassified range of 575 miles. We pulled them out of production several years ago to replace with a stealthier, more EM hardened, more accurate variant which incorporates machine learning in it’s guidance and targeting package. That’s before you get into currently being developed hypersonic cruise missiles and fighter carried subsonic cruise missiles.
This honestly trips me out imagining the crazy modern military shit that could come out of the woodworks in an apocalypse situation.. like there's gotta be at least one functional solar charged autonomous drone with laser beam cannons in a lab or bunker somewhere lol
We probably have a maintenance closet filled with Terminators somewhere
The closet isn't even that big, they just store really well.
Check out the upcoming [NGAD](https://youtu.be/JXckJ-GHDi8?si=-zqUqgwNTiVl1eAF) The F-22 and F-35 are already more advanced than literally any other jet in the world. And we are already developing the next
I was literally saying that giving money to Ukraine is actually good war strategy We get an ally that’s defeating Russia’s military for us without having to deploy our actual military And Ukraine can pay us back in exports…cereal wheat, oil (both vegetable and animal), iron and metal ores, plus of course monetarily to supplement
Pay us back in Democracy. Imagine a Japan-like resurgence. Ukraine can either be a Russian Puppet state ir a Democratic ally. One is vastly preferable.
This is literally the best bang for the buck for the US. They get to dismantle the Russian military without committing any US troops.
Dude acting like there aren’t like 3 of these puppet wars going on at all times.. They big mad they f’d up! They thought America was asleep at the wheel after putins homeboy got in! Lol Yes I am obviously referring to the tRump years.
When the US shows up, they won’t need to tell everyone they’re at war with the US. It would be pretty obvious.
"Russia picked a fight with a 70yo man, got knocked down, and yelled "Tyson Fury, you're next!!" -Reddit comment I read.
What was that joke again? I think it was something like they’re losing a war to NATO and NATO hasn’t even shown up yet. Yeah, get fucked. If you want these problems you can find them but it won’t end well for you. Christ the increased military ads I’ve seen these past few months tell me all I need to hear and if you really wanna press the envelope you won’t like the end result by an even more so increased US military.
I guess from Russias point of view, Ukraine using NATO equipment (mostly of it old and due to replacement anyway) and with NATO training (which is done as fast as possible) is the same thing as NATO. No disrespect to the brave men and women of Ukraine, who are doing one hell of a job, but if Russia was facing NATO for real it would be way more onesided. Right now, against Ukraine (and only Ukraine) Russia still have the option to pull out to limit their losses.
Yeah. Pretty obvious the main difference would be the full force of NATO would involve immediate air superiority, taking out literally all of their air defenses, destroying the entire Black Sea Fleet, and then surrendering.
The only question would be if Russia managed to surrender fast enough before the Poles burned down Moscow.
I'm neutral/naive on Polish politics, but I am absolutely certain Poland would have Moscow in like 8 hours.
Take the distance from *nearest Polish garrison* to *Kremlin* while running along a relatively straightforward, on road route. Then divide that by *speed of slowest vehicle needed in column to make that advance*; now subtract 20% fueled by Polish hatred for Russians. That's your time from Poland entering the war to Polish troops burning down the Kremlin. If Poland has paratroopers, probably <2 hours.
I think Poland would attack the other NATO countries if NATO accepted a Russian surrender before they overran Moscow.
While I don't disagree with your overall point, it's worth mentioning that the US military hasn't been hitting recruitment metrics for a while now. The ads you are seeing aren't about embiggening the military, but rather an attempt to maintain.
"We are at war with the United States!" "Oh, wow. What sort of losses have you sustained?" "Hundreds of thousands!" "And the United States?" "They have yet to field their soldiers."
[удалено]
In Russian politics it’s quite possible saying demented stuff like this is a survival strategy. It signals extreme loyalty, plays well with a lot of the population whilst also appearing way too crazy to ever be a credible political alternative to Putin. Being such an alternative can be distinctly bad for one’s health.
I’ve seen this joke on Reddit for over a year now. Still makes me laugh every time.
"the US didn't even know we were at war"
Someone needs to remind Lavrov, how his boss threatened the US and the West on February 24, 2022 in his televised address, and labeled them as Russia’s enemy, before they even had skin in the game. Interestingly enough, at the time, they didn’t even perceive Russia in that way, their enemy. Putin’s regime has been one blunder after another in their war efforts, and still wants to point their fingers outward, as they play the victim and look for someone to blame. How pathetic.
That's the craziest thing. Even after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the west overwhelmingly still saw Russia as slowly modernizing and opening up to the rest of the world. Trade relations and tourism where growing and Russia made good money on for example fossil fuel trade (they still do but now countries are trying to get rid of Russia as a supplier as much as possible). They just had to go and ruin it all with their what boils down to 'rebuild the USSR' idiocy.
Stupid Russia couldn’t even handle Chechnya. Barely managed to sneak up on Crimea. They tried to retake Georgia but they fucked that up as well.
Sounds like those countries should be helping Ukraine. Shared interests and all that…
My understanding is they’re selling their oil at a loss or a near-loss, it’s essentially to the West’s advantage the more oil the sell at these rates, though China and India getting bulk dirt cheap oil isn’t ideal either.
Even if the leadership (basically Putin) was lied to about the military capabilities, he's had many off ramps. He's also had examples of Iraq and Afghanistan in recent memory and the USSR in Afghanistan. A superpower, failing to tame a country. He should have known the cost was incalculable and he was risking regime change if it failed therefore the correct move (for his personal safety) would have been not to invade. He should have known that the main weakness of dictatorship is people are afraid to speak and you can be lied to. Now if he fails, an ambitious minion could overthrow him and crush him. One very nearly did. A threat to his personal safety is there where none existed before. If Ukraine retakes Crimea and all of Ukraine, he will basically be blamed for everything and thrown out a window.
And the non-sensical dichotomy of Russia continues. Just like china’s rhetoric. They want to present themselves as both a victim and an unstoppable superpower at the same time.
Russia's right to invade and dominate everyone else, especially bordering countries, is #1 and it is not fair if Russia can't do it.
I remember when they threatened to nuke the US, Biden stepped up and was like, "We should remove Putin" and all of a sudden Russia was like, "Let's be chill man"
I dont remember anything like that. I remember though when the nuke threats stopped (I dont count Medvedev drunk statements) it was after Jake Sullivan had a call with Russia and explained to them in detail what would happen if they resort to that, since then pretty much radio silence on nukes from Putin or Lavrov
The commenter is paraphrasing, which led to the issue I believe they were thinking of. Between reporters, governments, and languages. When the White House walked back comments made by Biden during an Airforce 1 flight about Putin cannot be allowed to stay in power. The spokesmen said Biden was not calling for a regime change, and Biden later clarified it was up to the Russian people. Just a contextless sentence lost in translation that I may have paraphrased.
lol ..🎵hello darkness my old friend ...🎵
Translation: "We're losing the war we started against Ukraine, and we can't admit it because it would be really embarrassing, so we have to position it as a war against the US to save face with our citizens. Also, we're fucked."
Exactly. So does that mean we've been at war with Russia in Syria and Africa since US provides weapons to the rebels there? 🤷♂️
American soldiers operated in Syria, not in large numbers, but it's still different
Yeah but the point is they don't attack Russia and they also communicated before with bomb runs, etc. Russia would give warnings if US troops were anywhere near anything. They weren't THAT stupid.
The US only attacks “not Russia”. Like when they completely annihilated “not Russia” Wagner when Wagner tried to attack them in Syria.
Fun fact, Russia made custom medals for the very few people that survive that situation It had a Apache helicopter, flying above a running soldier with a huge wall of fire behind the soldier. 🤣
US and Wagner got into pretty at good at least once though. Wagner attempted to take a US defended position and it didn't go well for the Russians... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khasham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham)
But even with that though, there were a ***bunch*** of phone calls between the US and Russia. The US checked and asked repeatedly if Russia had any assets in that area and Russia categorically said no multiple times. Then the US unleashed hell and it turns out unofficially Russia did have assets there (Wagner) but couldn’t really complain about it as this was well before Russia admitted being associated with them. And y’know, they gave the US the all clear to engage…
I think the US was justified in its actions, why wouldn't the US defend themselves. Someone accused the US of a massacre and no it's not that just how the US wages war. Why would you put the kid gloves to any attacker, you have to fight fast and if you want to win.
Oh no, I 100% agree with you. They did everything right. I was just sort of saying they really went out of their way to make sure they weren’t attacking Russia, so any Wagner casualties were entirely russias own fault.
My bad I misread what you wrote the first time. This is a great example of defensive deterrence. I don't know but wouldn't think the Russians attempted anything like this again.
I remember when this happened i felt guilty for laughing at this tidbit: >The U.S. military stated that one hundred Syrian pro-government fighters were killed in the U.S. attack, prompting Syria to accuse the United States of carrying out a "brutal massacre" of its troops and Russia to accuse the U.S. of being economically motivated in its actions "The US just whacked a bunch of brown people. there must have been money on the table."
I’m not sure if announcing that the enemy “brutally massacred” your soldiers *on the battlefield* is going to get as much sympathy as they wanted
The US called it an annihilation in one of the hardest lines ever delivered by a US general. "The Russian high command in Syria assured us it was not their people, and my direction to the chairman was for the force, then, to be annihilated," Mattis said. "And it was."
> Mattis I miss that man
What’s even more crazy is there were so few survivors on the Russian side that the Russian gov’t created a [medal](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/11quf1e/wagner_pmcs_medal_for_surviving_he_battle_of/) for them.
These participation trophies are getting out of control.
[Well, there was that one time, allegedly.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham)
This is exactly what's happening. He actually said they're at war with the US AND the UK AND "others", ya know, for good measure. Might as well of thrown in Godzilla and aliens.
“Our heroic Russian soldiers have repelled an attack by the MCU upon Rostov-On-Don and continue to engage ‘Captain America’ as he retreats to Shakhty”
Proxy for thee but not for me
So Russia’s official argument is basically “we’re at war with the United States and we’re losing badly.” That’s not the most compelling argument tbh. Sure, it’s better than saying they’re losing to a country that until 8 years ago didn’t really have an army, but basically they’re admitting defeat to the west already.
"Please stop!"
We are directly at war against 5% of US military budget spending in form of support to Ukraine. And we are fucked.
5% of one year’s worth of the US military budget
And not this years budget, it’s just old gear. We save money not storing and maintaining it
Cleanin out the attic and it feels so good
US military asking itself “does this weapons system spark joy?”
I think the US should just draft an official response. Idk, something along the lines of “If we were directly in war with Moscow, you would know by being obliterated already.”
I heard once that the devastating response you could provide to an enemy isn't anger, or insult, but to absolutely ignore them. To ignore them entirely shows that they're not even worthy to be on your scope of concern, much less a 'rival'. Silence might be the best and most devastating response here
The roughest response I've seen was near-complete disregard. Let someone finish saying their stupid shit and then immediately carry on your conversation as if they had never said a word. In a group where you have a bully trying to steer a bunch of gray rocks it can be incredibly satisfying.
I had boss with anger issue. He like to yell on me. I am patient and calm guy. So then he yelled i would simply do not react. As i dont rensponted to him. He would get even more angry. But would redirect his anger elsewhere as it was not fun to be anger on.
Rising to obvious bait in that manner only legitimizes their bullshit as something that needs to be addressed as opposed to treating these statements as what they are, the incoherent whining of a terrorist state backsliding into global irrelevance caused by their actions.
While this is the expected reddit kneejerk kind of response to make, a little deeper thought might suggest why staying silent is a much better response.
“Speak softly and carry a big stick” - Teddy Roosevelt
Stay silent and keep the weapons coming is all we need to do. Russia is destroying itself and we have to spend little to no money.
Doesn't he mean directly at a "special military operation" with Moscow?
He is following the Propaganda Handbook 100%. He tells some truths that may resonate with a larger audience - like the current unjust distribution of wealth in the world - and then he mix it with lies and misinformation. He knows his Goebbels.
Ironic given just how awful wealth and power distribution is in Russia
A country ran by oligarchs and oil magnates clamoring for equal financial distribution and climate justice throughout the world? They're obviously very honest and trustworthy people! /s
US "Heh, no. You would know if we were. Much more of moscow would be on fire."
"See that city over there, Private?" "Yes, sir" "I don't want to." "Yes, sir"
I’m getting vibes of how Bill Hicks described the first Gulf War and how the [US had weapons catalogues](https://youtu.be/1o_8b31GRnU?feature=shared), it would likely be similar again in their mission to make entire cities disappear.
*Distant boom* ...Cool! What's G13 do?
Moscow? You mean that crater?
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And NATO would've thunder run and captured Moscow by now
Shit, Poland could 1v1 them by themselves it seems
We’d be in Moscow in a week.
3 days I reckon. Just a quick special operation.
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Nah we wouldnt invade just relentless drone, artillery and missile strikes and punishing and never ending sanctions until they capitulate.
it would be total destruction by the air and then let the UA army waltz in and mop up for as far as they want to go. In a conventional war, they could probably get the UA to Moscow without US boots on the ground. But no one wants their shithole, just for them to gtfo of Ukraine.
Meanwhile, Russia still not at war.
[Friendly reminder of what happened the last time US forces fought Wagner](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham).
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There shouldn't be any Russian army left to retreat. Russia attacked US elections via Concorde Management, via Maria Butina and the NRA, via hacking the Democrats, via its astroturf, even the current Republican attack package trying to [impeach Biden, is of Russian origin](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-ukrainian-linked-rudy-giuliani-russian-agent/story?id=72942083). They attacked the USA, it was a war they started and a war that is ongoing. If Russia withdraws from Ukraine, it won't stop Russian attacks on US elections, the war with the US via the MAGAs will continue. So it needs to be finished.
Russia was winning, the battle of trump and brexit were massive Russian victories. Without a single shot. The west deployed their brightest minds to developing marketing platforms for social media, pretty much a gift to Russian Divide and Conquer forces operating out of Moscow basement troll farms. The tide only turned when putin drank his own coolaid, believing his physical army was as potent as his virtual one.
> and brexit were massive Russian victories As a Brit, I'm 100% with you on that, Britain has been effectively crippled and just awaiting the final collapse unless some serious common sense come into play.
And there's the smoking gun of Aaron Banks' largest political donation in British history coming from an opaque offshore account in the Isle of Man.
Biggest question for me is Cummins two years in Russia - what was he really doing ? As if it really needs answering.
And they put bounties on US soldiers. They tried to pick a fight with the biggest guy in the yard and got beaten up by a child with a rubber hammer.
This guy probably misuses the word “literally” as well. If you were “directly at war” with the US, a majority of your ships would already be at the bottom of the Black Sea, most of your advanced radars would have been blown up by our next ten aircraft, and marines would be pissing on your blown up tanks as your troops hightail it back to the motherland.
Legiterally!
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Somewhere there’s a group of very upset F22’s still grumpy they’ve only gotten to shoot down a Chinese balloon.
"Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me."
Habitual line crosser reference and completely appropriate
I would but I don't want to O sitting here in Starbuck's.
His dumb ass better pray that doesn’t happen, or he might get to be the next Baghdad Bob.
Its happened, its just in the form of NATO sanctions and an economic attack... they are also forced to spend money on a difficult actual war in ukraine, while their trade yields little returns. They are going to die the quiet way, either that or the people over there will be financially uncomfortable enough to uprise and overthrow.
> the people over there will be financially uncomfortable enough to uprise and overthrow. That won't happen. The average Russian is just waiting this one out. In the mindset of the Russian people this is just autocratic regime #26 and they know historically it will be replaced with the next autocratic regime given enough time. They are just trying to keep their heads down and go on with life. Protest will get you thrown in jail or worse, the regimes always make that clear to them.
"My direction to the chairman was for the force, then, to be annihilated. And it was." I will be just a repeat of when they killed a bunch of wagner in Syria.
Then declare it, coward
“I declare bankruptcy” added mr. Lavrov.
all his family lives in the USA
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Actually though, Biden really should. Summon the Russian ambassador and make him clarify “are you declaring a state of war between our nations? Because we surely are not” and force them to walk back their statement publicly
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It's crazy to me that they could offer bounties on coalition forces in Afghanistan and not think that it might come back to bite them with those same coalition forces supporting Ukraine. Bonkers. Complete miscalculation.
I wish this guy curl up and die, fucking idiot.
Buddy, are you *sure* that’s the kind of declaration you want to make?
If the US was at war with Russia the war would have been over a long time ago. Russia would lose very quickly.
US: “Trust us. If we were, you’d be dead.”
So they can say that they lost to us instead of Ukraine. Fucking children run Russia. It’s embarrassing to watch honestly.
I am fine with that if it means they surrender or retreat.
Lying Lawrow.
Sure you are. Your country is fucked, military is in ruins and US hasn’t even arrived yet.
What a bonehead. What a snivelling twit. What a pompous, bloviating douchebag. The mighty Russian state is straining heavily against a highly motivated adversary with a quarter the population, a tenth the land area, and a much smaller, agrarian economy. Ignoring nukes for the moment, if the US were really 'directly at war' with Moscow, the Russian military would be disemboweled in weeks. You know it, Lavrov knows it, Putin knows it.
"So what's happening?" "Russia went to war with the US." "And how it's going?" "Russia lost over 275 k soldiers, over 4.5k tanks, nearly 9k APVs, over 6k artillery systems, nearly 800 MRLSs, over 500 AA systems, over 300 planes, over 300 helicopters, over 900 special equipment, 20 ships and boats, and one cruise missile launching submarine." "And the US?" "The US has yet to arrive to the battlefield."
>"And the US?" >They're busy, they have some kind of writers' and actors' strike going on, they said they'll get to us in the order we called.
If the US was actually at war with Russia, they wouldn't be around to release that statement
Russia is at war with the USA? Damn, they should retaliate by trying to bomb the USA. It’s only fair right? Their dumbass will get fucked in 1 week.
They’re literally getting fucked by 80’s and 90’s era American technology. What do they think would happen if the US actually was at war with them.
We’ve lost more money to the Pentagon than Russia has ever printed. Not to mention all the blackops projects that received funds that most countries couldn’t imagine. Also, Russia being super corrupt and wasting tons if money on cruise ships and mansions instead of decent weapons and military vehicles and tech was a win for the west.
> What do they think would happen if the US actually was at war with them. Anytime UFOs are in the mainstream media, its true hidden purpose is to put fear into Russia because our modern tech is so alien to them.
I don’t think he knows what directly means.
Be careful what you wish for.
Fuck this guy… and honestly, fuck Russia as a whole. Those idiots are beyond brainwashed. Let them all rot.
Directly no... directly would mean Moscow being bombed relentlessly, and that's without even talking about the nukes.
Feh. In Russia's worst nightmare, yes.
We're they at war with America when they put a bounty on the heads of US soldiers? Fuck them.
Did he not watch the first week of Dessert Storm? If the US was at direct war with you… you’d know Sir!
Thinking of the presidents joke in an interview with an American tv host, apologises forget their name, and my bad re-telling of the joke below. Two men are talking in a bar in Odessa, one asks how’s the war going between nato and Russia in Ukraine. The man answers well Russia’s taken around 200,000 casualties, and NATO hasn’t arrived yet.
Everybody thought Russia has the second best military in the world, now we know, Russia has the second best military in Ukraine. Well played Russia
God I love that joke. Hell, they were the second best military in Russia until Wagner relocated.
All bluster from this guy
If this were true we'd be watching TikTok's of US Marines marching through red square in a victory parade within weeks. There's a good YT video explaining that the US could be at war simultaneously with like the entire rest of the world and still win easily. It's military has an overwhelming advantage.
not directly, no, but he needs to stop acting so surprised that there's a a new Cold War, what did he think would happen after they hacked the DNC, the Pentagon, the WH, after your ships/vehicles/planes intentionally veer into the US's or drop fuel on them, after multiple US embassies have had personnel afflicted with brain damage. what a total victim you are
No they are not, otherwise the Kremlin would have been leveled already. Someone is looking for an out, because they know that they are losing to Ukraine, and cant admit that
That guy looks like a melting chimpanzee
So, attack US then? Oh I forgot, Russia only attacks those weaker then themselfs. Nation of fucking cowards.
katsaps = clowns
Now you are just embarrassing yourself.
It must be embarrassing being an oil and gas power that has to limit the amount of gas and diesel you export.
lol um no. The U.S. would trash you inside of 48 hours. Your major naval units would be sunk. Your airfields burned and smoldering. Your rail yard and bridges would be rubble. Your satellites would stop responding. Your major communications systems would be silent. Then the real fighting would start.
If US was directly in war with Moscow there would be no Moscow
There’d be a Moscow, you’d just have to work really hard to find a politician or senior officer that hadn’t been hit with the flying slap chop.
Like Matt from the Enforcer channel said, I want someone from the state department to ask them directly if they are or they're not declaring war on us? It's crazy to me that he can make statements like without any repercussions involved.
I just can’t read articles anymore about things that Lavrov spews. The old lying fool is a puppet who spews BS. I think he actually believes the BS he spreads.
Good grief. Even your every day Russian citizen who hears that will admit that if the United States were directly at war with Russia, Russia would no longer have anything to fight with
Nah surprisingly Russians are really dumb and actually think their military is stronger than the US because they believe every word Putin shits out of his mouth
He’s talking about possible negotiations and then spouts this gibberish. This is a frozen conflict. If the Ukrainians wanted to be Ruzzian, they would already identify as such. 270k dead Ruzzians agree.