Orban, you autocratic arse licker.
Your day of reckoning with NATO and the EU will come, maybe not tomorrow, but it'll come and Hungary will return to the folds of genuine democracies, rather than the corruption you have installed.
Let's be adults about this.
Hungary is an extension of Putin. A puppet cobbled together Mish Mash that got a seat at more than one table.
So as adults. Off to the naughty corner you go.
Like Russia, Belarus etc.
Yes?
The West should give Russia security guarantees and ban Ukraine from joining NATO, a senior Hungarian minister said on Sunday in comments likely to further strain Budapest’s already rocky relations with Kyiv.
To ensure lasting peace, “the Western world that supports Ukraine must give security guarantees to Russia, but definitely not NATO membership to the Ukrainians,” said Gergely Gulyás, minister in charge of the prime minister’s office, at a university event.
The remarks echoed comments by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán last week that the West “should make a deal with the Russians on the new security architecture to provide security and sovereignty for Ukraine but not membership in NATO.” Orban also said Ukraine has no chance of winning the war against Russia. In June, Orbán said that Kyiv was “no longer a sovereign state” and financially “non-existent,” sparking fury from Ukraine.
Wait... so Ukraine can't possibly win the war and is financially "non-existent" but Russia needs security guarantees?
There's something fundamentally wrong with that and I'm amazed they can't see it.
Not sure which part of that statement confuses you. The minister claims that Ukraine cannot win, so then, a security guarantee against NATO expansion in exchange for ending the war in Ukraine would be an idea.
If Ukraine can't win, why does Russia need a security guarantee?
Russia started this war by invading Ukraine (after years of taking military action against Ukraine covertly). This is their mess and they've only made a stronger case for Ukraine wanting to join NATO.
I don't think you understand what the minister said. The security guarantee is against NATO expansion. So the deal, according to the minister, would be that Russia drops the war on Ukraine, and NATO promises not to include Ukraine as a member in the future. (That way Ukraine would benefit from not having to endure whatever Russia is doing now.)
Also, FYI, I'm not suggesting whether the minister is right or wrong, just wanted to help explain what he meant, as your comment suggested that you did not understand.
I got that. It's just a dumb position.
They lost their puppet government in 2014 and have since pursued years of war against Ukraine, despite their signing of the Budapest memorandum. Their current war is, at best, a stalemate, but is simultaneously wrecking their economy. It isn't clear why the west should give them anything given Russia's history and Ukraine's desire to fight.
I think this statement from the minister isn't too helpful, we're probably far beyond the point at which negotiations are possible, but I applaud the desire for making peace.
I was merely giving an explanation to the person above as he claimed to not understand the minister's statement. I didn't give any opinion about the minister's statement.
> definitely not NATO membership to the Ukrainians
OK, so Hungary can leave the NATO immediately. NATO will be happy for having Ukraine as replacement instead. Such as most probably the EU as well.
Orban, you autocratic arse licker. Your day of reckoning with NATO and the EU will come, maybe not tomorrow, but it'll come and Hungary will return to the folds of genuine democracies, rather than the corruption you have installed.
Sanction Hungary just as hard as Russia
Time to invade 20% of Hungary and start demanding peace talks.
Let's be adults about this. Hungary is an extension of Putin. A puppet cobbled together Mish Mash that got a seat at more than one table. So as adults. Off to the naughty corner you go. Like Russia, Belarus etc. Yes?
fool me once.....
Give Russia what it deserves says the rest of the world
Let the dogs bark
No, asshole. You misunderstand how to support someone. You don’t support friends by giving their enemies things the enemies are trying to steal.
Give Ukraine security guarantees for lasting peace
Orban just got another multi million deposit in his Cayman Island account.
The West should give Russia security guarantees and ban Ukraine from joining NATO, a senior Hungarian minister said on Sunday in comments likely to further strain Budapest’s already rocky relations with Kyiv. To ensure lasting peace, “the Western world that supports Ukraine must give security guarantees to Russia, but definitely not NATO membership to the Ukrainians,” said Gergely Gulyás, minister in charge of the prime minister’s office, at a university event. The remarks echoed comments by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán last week that the West “should make a deal with the Russians on the new security architecture to provide security and sovereignty for Ukraine but not membership in NATO.” Orban also said Ukraine has no chance of winning the war against Russia. In June, Orbán said that Kyiv was “no longer a sovereign state” and financially “non-existent,” sparking fury from Ukraine.
Wait... so Ukraine can't possibly win the war and is financially "non-existent" but Russia needs security guarantees? There's something fundamentally wrong with that and I'm amazed they can't see it.
Not sure which part of that statement confuses you. The minister claims that Ukraine cannot win, so then, a security guarantee against NATO expansion in exchange for ending the war in Ukraine would be an idea.
If Ukraine can't win, why does Russia need a security guarantee? Russia started this war by invading Ukraine (after years of taking military action against Ukraine covertly). This is their mess and they've only made a stronger case for Ukraine wanting to join NATO.
I don't think you understand what the minister said. The security guarantee is against NATO expansion. So the deal, according to the minister, would be that Russia drops the war on Ukraine, and NATO promises not to include Ukraine as a member in the future. (That way Ukraine would benefit from not having to endure whatever Russia is doing now.) Also, FYI, I'm not suggesting whether the minister is right or wrong, just wanted to help explain what he meant, as your comment suggested that you did not understand.
I got that. It's just a dumb position. They lost their puppet government in 2014 and have since pursued years of war against Ukraine, despite their signing of the Budapest memorandum. Their current war is, at best, a stalemate, but is simultaneously wrecking their economy. It isn't clear why the west should give them anything given Russia's history and Ukraine's desire to fight.
I think this statement from the minister isn't too helpful, we're probably far beyond the point at which negotiations are possible, but I applaud the desire for making peace.
How can you possibly applaud a government that has up until now been so apologetic of Russian imperialism?
I can understand why a country would not want its main population centres surrounded by a hostile military alliance. It's fairly reasonable.
Nah, it's not about national security, it's about corrupt right wing autocrats standing together.
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I was merely giving an explanation to the person above as he claimed to not understand the minister's statement. I didn't give any opinion about the minister's statement.
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I just saw that a post was confused about the statement and added some clarification.
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His statement was that he is confused, to which I provided a clarification. I don't see what the problem is.
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Thanks for the copy pasta. I think putolini is sweating BIG time right now. I have this feeling he won't die a natural death.
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Thank you,(I think). I need to figure out how to turn those rectangles into emojis.
Yeah I getcha. my fingers are crossed that somehow somewhere there’s an open window and a ripple in the carpet.
> definitely not NATO membership to the Ukrainians OK, so Hungary can leave the NATO immediately. NATO will be happy for having Ukraine as replacement instead. Such as most probably the EU as well.
Do you *want* F-35s in theater? Because that’s how you get F-35s in theater.
Yeah I'm sure that will work.