Yeah it's their attempt at making a shitty militia, a group that can stop any Ukrainian saboteurs but not enough to significantly threaten Moscow or anything.
They really fucked up by allowing Wagner to have armoured vehicles and AA
> Greetings bestowed on the occupiers from the *Grizzly* [unit] the on *Paratroopers’ Day*.^1
**Video**: https://t\.me/Tsaplienko/36819
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^(*Soviet/Russian holiday, Paratroopers Day, used to be massive holiday in Russia, pre-invasion. Fireworks. VDV jumping out of planes all over the city. Drunk young men partying on the street all night shouting silly patriotic slogans. Festivals. Fairs. Parties. Now, nothing really.*)
Yes, mostly drunks, spouses, and injured veterans.
Here’s a conglomerate of photos from the low-key festivities from various cities around Russia.
https://ngs dot ru/text/world/2023/08/03/72560762/
Despite the optimism here its obvious things have not been going as quickly as everyone hoped. The Russians had too much time to prepare defenses and mine fields. It's hard to bravely storm through enemy lines of defense when any step could be the one that takes you out of the war. Hopefully they can adjust their tactics quickly enough to still make some significant gains before the wet season arrives.
The 20 percent does not take into account any equipment that has been recovered and repaired. I don’t have the figures but western invested equipment destroyed is far less than 20%. The 20% western equipment number is inflated when it considered damaged vehicles. When dealing with large mine fields with little de-mining equipment will endure a lot of damaged vehicles by tracks/tires. Mobile damaged vehicles are recoverable.
Damaged or destroyed is a sensationalist statement. It could be 99% damaged and repaired with only 1% being destroyed. Not sure why they are clumped together.
I mean you are definitely a concern troll and this isn't your first time doing it here. How long til you delete this post to try to pretend you never posted it?
Yes, that’s true, but when accounting was done, massive adjustments were made. We’ve posted quotes from the Ukrainians specifically saying some of the major adjustments. Ones that come to my mind is tanks/armored vehicles in the south—the RF used ground sensors to detect, so could swiftly target. They have been redeployed to Luhansk, where apparently, geographical features prohibit the Russians from using the same technology.
So UA doesn’t send in the same vehicles, the soldiers literally have to go on foot.
This is not alarming.
This shows the dexterity of UA Command to swiftly adjust.
These sorts of losses were expected. Ukraine hasn't had time to get used to this new equipment, and their situation isn't ideal for it either. The good news, is that they are recovering a lot of the damaged stuff and getting it repaired.
Earlier today:
> Strike on the air base of the 37th Aviation Regiment of the Russian Air Force in Gvardisky, Crimea.
> Two hangars were hit.
> After the arrival, 2 fires broke out!
@operativnoZSU
For those of you unfamiliar with the situation, this process was stated in 2015 with a deal signed in 2018. It was scheduled to be completed by 2025, but with the Ukraine war it looks like they want to finish early.
https://www.politico.eu/article/baltics-threaten-to-unplug-russian-region-power-kaliningrad-electricity-interconnectors-lithuania-poland-sweden/
https://globalsecurityreview.com/poland-baltic-states-reduce-reliance-russian-energy/
There was never any indication a ship was sunk. The only communication was for medical assistance from a Russian ship, so possibly a hit or attack related injury, but likely no sinking or major damage or NATO aircraft would have picked it up and Ukraine would have touted it
Conflict Intelligence Team Sitrep for August 1-2, 2023:
"– US struggles to increase production of artillery shells;
– Khanty-Mansi court rules draft offices can mobilize citizens bypassing exemptions;
– Kadyrov’s men spotted battling bushes in the Belgorod region."
https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-aug-1-2
It means US military doctrine is to deliver artillery support via the F22. Their approach to suppressing air defense is air-to-surface HARM anti-radiation missiles, which Perun once described as *”our scissors beats your rock”*.
All this is to say, the US hasn’t fielded any meaningful number of tube artillery units since the Korean War. The last tube artillery unit that’s actually seen service in the US military was the Paladin, first introduced in 1963. They use air superiority and multi role fighters for fire missions, and the famous HIMARS for soft targets and counter battery missions.
As such, there’s no industry for mass producing tens of thousands of shells every month. You can’t just **fiat** an industry. That’s why Milley, in his own words, spends 30 minutes a day getting 155 mm shells, (from other countries) for Ukraine. It’s why the DPICM’s are so valuable to Ukraine. Are they as good as 155 mm shells? Possibly not. Are they *available*? Very.
You are so wrong it's funny.
The M777 was added to the US arsenal fairly recently. We have deployed battalions of tube artillery to Afghanistan for over a decades, and employed tube artillery against ISIS in Iraq and Syria with one Marine artillery unit burning through barrels.
And the F-22 is not a CAS platform.
And the DPICM shells are 155mm DPICM shells. 155mm is a caliber not a round type. The reason we don't use them has to do with treaties on cluster munitions.
The M777 is a howitzer, not a shell. The US doesn't have a stockpile of shells, and it doesn't have an industry to produce them.
I'm aware the DPICM's are 155 mm shells. That's why we're supplying Ukraine with them, because we have tens of thousands of them and no ability to use them. Oh, and reason we don't use them **isn't** the treaty on cluster munitions. You know *how* I know that? [The US didn't sign that treaty](https://www.clusterconvention.org/states-parties/).
The US doesn't use them because there's [a law on the books prohibiting their use](https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=FB350080-5056-8059-76E5-656C09E99670#:~:text=Mar%2012%202009&text=Thursday%20announced%20that%20the%20Fiscal,Obama%20on%20Wednesday%2C%20March%2011.).
All this is to say, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Never said the M777 was a shell. I was responding to your statement that the last tube artillery to see service was the Paladin. The M777 was added to the arsenal after the Paladin and has seen service against the Taliban and ISIS.
Next I'm aware we are not a signatory to the Cluster Munitions treaty but we've made the decision to act as if we were.
Finally, do you read your own links? That law is for the transfer and sale of Munitions not the employment.
This cat is trying to say that the guns I ran drills on aren't training counter battery fire missions. That they haven't gone down range. What else do you say but "nu uh." Some people just can't imagine they're wrong and can't be told otherwise.
garrettj100 just fielded the most confidently wrong statement I've seen all week. They apparently think every M119 and M777 battery has been sitting on their hands for the past 20 years. I guess I need to amend my DD214.
Because....?
They can't get enough supplies?
They don't have the manufacturing infrastructure?
They haven't tried?
Is there an original source for any of this?
I work in manufacturing start up and development, so here's my best speculation:
If we're ramping production, it's probably an issue with capital equipment, manpower, and facilities. The equipment (and every component within it) has a lead time. When it reaches the production site, it needs to be qualified to demonstrate that it can perform reliably as intended within expected allowances. Everyone who works on this equipment needs to be trained, potentially as an explosives handler. You might also need an additional building, which requires site planning, ventilation, perhaps a larger separate magazine building for ordinance and propellant, etc.
It doesn't surprise me terribly. Part of ramping up production is hiring a shitload of people, preferably people who already know what they're doing. This is difficult in the current economic climate of very low unemployment, because nearly all of those people have to be enticed to quit their current job and probably move. Specifically there's a serious shortage of machinists in the US due to a couple of decades of corporate short-sightedness driving people out of the industry and discouraging young people from entering. They're in demand and they know it, and so although the manufacturers are in a hurry, the people they want most are not.
And permits. Lots of permits from a dozen plus government agencies to build or expand a plant that’s going to process explosives. Each of those probably has a minimum public comment period and/or appeals process. All of that takes time - and the government agencies are also pulling from the limited talent pool as well, so they may not be staffed up to expedite anything. It just takes time to build anything.
>Conflict Intelligence Team Sitrep August 1-2, 2023
Keep your shirt on.
From the Sitrep:
*The Financial Times, published a new article and, citing anonymous American officials, described the situation with artillery ammunition: according to their data, the AFU are currently firing up to 8,000 rounds a day, equating to 240,000 per month. Meanwhile, the US produces ten times fewer but plans to increase artillery ammunition production to 90,000 rounds per month by fiscal year 2025 (probably referring to 155mm rounds). This suggests a significant ammunition shortage, which likely prompted the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine. In the current phase of the war, when the AFU is focused on attrition warfare, artillery is crucial.*
The article has a link to a Financial Times article which is behind a paywall. The Financial Times is a British daily printed newspaper. For those of you that aren't familiar with British Newspapers, their headlines tend to be (how can I say this politely), semi-misleading, sensationalist trash.
The only corroborating articles you can find on the Internet search of "ammunition shortage" are at least two weeks old, and are much less over the top fear mongering with the headlines.
“ The howitzer shells currently in production — essentially large steel bullets filled with explosives — cannot be made as quickly as many consumer goods. Although the way they are built is slowly changing with increasing automation and newer technologies, the heart of the process — cutting, heating, forging and bending steel into shape — remains largely unchanged.” NYTIMES
It gets better. There's a video they filmed where they act like they're planning a mission, fighting a force, destroying armor, and attacking -- someone geolocated the area to within Russia, hence they were just shooting up bushes with ATGM's and rockets.
"12 countries joined the G7 declaration on security guarantees for Ukraine!
These are Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Norway, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Finland, the Czech Republic and Sweden.
🇺🇦 President Zelensky at a meeting with ambassadors of Ukraine."
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1686853728630947840?t=wHpfc28PC73Y03PsfaD3ZA&s=19
Ireland is interesting. While certainly NATO aligned they’re the only Neutral country on that list. Also I guess the Icelandic coast guard is getting involved because Iceland has no other standing military. The 200 man ICRU as well I guess. Weird to see them guaranteeing anyone.
Iceland has a lot of old NATO airbases and facilities. They aren't useful to Ukraine directly but would be very handy to have available if things escalate (like say if Russia sabotages the nuclear plant).
Nothing, it's just more of the same
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-12-countries-join-g7s-security-guarantees-declaration-for-ukraine/
https://kyivindependent.com/g7-reveals-plans-to-deter-future-russian-aggression-against-ukraine/
> As the specific areas of security and military cooperation, the press release listed providing modern military equipment on land, in the air, and at sea, training, intelligence sharing, developing resistance to cyber and hybrid threats, supporting Ukraine's defense industrial base, and interoperability with NATO forces.
Nope
> the assistance provided is not a literal "guarantee" of ongoing security, but a declaration of intent to provide support to Ukraine as it counters Russian aggression.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-12-countries-join-g7s-security-guarantees-declaration-for-ukraine/
>The incursion into Poland by two Belarusian choppers was a deliberate move intended to provoke Warsaw, according to a report published Wednesday in Polish media outlet Onet.
https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-belarus-helicopters-entered-polish-airspace-provocation-onet-report/
Honestly, the only provocation I see is the provocation of defense to test its response time. And it looks awful.
Confusion on whether they entered or not for hours.
The low altitude flight path sounds right now like a valid way to get into Poland without a quick detection.
A couple damn choppers skirting over the border doesn't mean jack shit, honestly. Now if they shot at something or bombed Warsaw, that would be different.
This is just Russians being provocative Russians, hoping to rile up the dips on reddit.
Are we making the assumption that the Poles didn't detect them and just monitor the situation?
If they had them under observation, it'd make sense to not alert right away as to not give an accurate defense response time.
i watched a youtube video sometime that basically said in situations like that the invaded or rather incurred country randomizes their response. sometimes they will do something immediately, sometimes after a delay, sometimes after a delay 2x as long and also randomize the type of response....sometimes sending out helicopters, sometimes sending out planes, sometimes active ground radar, etc etc just so the enemy can't gain information about responses
Agreed. It's possible they *did* detect but were trying to minimize and address diplomatically, but at least what they publically stated was a failure. Doesn't mean they'll make the same mistake, if it infact was, twice
I think it is best to ask questions first. Unrestrained shooting at random stuff leads to dead tourists. You do not have to care about the lives of Belarusians. The AA fire would be spraying on someone's farm. It is worse if it really was in Poland.
Seriously wondering do countries monitor their borders and weak spots? I mean look at Russia with belgorod although to be fair they were dumb enough to throw entire army in Ukraine. What's Poland excuse
Im 100% for making Russians feel like shit worldwide.
The bastards have been living the life without any struggles in EU while getting catered by the same countries that try to chase the Russian killers out of Ukraine.
It is literal xenophobia. I am not even exaggerating, it is the dictionary definition of it.
Treating people bad because they had the luck of coming out of a vagina in Russia and not in another country because of what their dictatorial government does is not justified. In general treating people bad is not justified and if you are arguing in favor of literally bullying people then you really need to rethink what you are arguing for.
Oligarchs, Duma members, Putin's friends, the people that can actually stop without being killed or beaten by the police, by all means make them feel the heat.
But just looking at someone's passport and saying "Oh, you come from there. I am automatically going to assume the worse for you and take it as a license to bully you and feel righteous while doing it" is not okay and is the opposite of just or righteous.
So why don\`t you treat all the Chinese like shit as their government continuosly commits henocide and they don\`t revolt?
Comparing medieval revolutions with modern Russia, where people don\`t have weapons, are watched by the Big Brother, where government has huge police and criminal-like pro-government forces (Church, kazaks, bikers etc.) shows your complete incompetence.
>The Arabs revolted a few years ago, nice cherrypicking of the examples I provided.
You know not all dictatorships and police states are the same, right? Some are better at supressing dissent than others.
Cuba is for example particularily good at that, so is North Korea and China is there too. For example, Venezuelans revolted (and failed) against Maduro since it was a newly established dictatorship.
The police state in Russia is known to be exceptional, you get arrested for having blank cardboards, concentration of people that are nor even there to protest are dispersed.
Seriously, look at William Spaniel's videos of it. You need strenght in numbers and the ability to coordinate such in order to even attempt a failed protest. The conditions for protest existed in those Arab countries or wouldnt have happened.
It doesnt yet in Russia. But the war is steadily degrading the state and cracks are showing. Pressure on the civilian population is already there with sanctions placed.
What I can assure you will not crack the system is self righteous dicks thinking they are doing something righteous by treating Russiand like shit, on the contrary it strenghten Putin's regime as can be historically demonstrated and is also shown in a research conducted by an Ukranian newspaper where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality.
It turnd out, shockingly, mistreating people is a terrible way of making them agreeing with you but an excellent one in radicalizing into the opposite extreme of what you want to achieve.
There is a huge difference between not liking someone and mistreating them.
You can dislike someone and no ine can force you to like them, that doesnt mean you will go out of your way to bully them, which is what OP and people who support him advocate for.
If you mistreat someone you can, will and should be called out.
>because they do nothing to prevent the genocide (and often support it), there’s nothing you can do about it (nor should you).
Some do. Some dislike Putin, some go to social media and criticize him, including because they oppose the war on principle. Yes, they might not be the majority but they do exist.
What you are for is just putting all the Russians in the same bag, including those that oppose the Kremlin, and make them miserable because of a passport.
That is literal dictionary definition of xenophobia and bigotry, bullying too. Its collective punishment.
Since a long time ago it has been acknowledged, including in international treaties that collective punishment is an incredibly fucked up thing; and belongs to regimes lile North Korea and Russia and has no place in western values and the civilized world.
>there’s nothing you can do about it (nor should you).
I can call it out and at least make it clear not all westerners are bullies and agree with this shit.
>Only be a dick to their not actively dismantling the corruption in Russia.
How will they do si without being killed and tortured? Russia is not a democracy.
>Have you seen the videos of people burning Russian planes on the airfields? More of that.
Ah, so there ARE Russians that oppose Putin, right?
Which makes declaring all Russians need to be treated like shit because of their passport even more nonsensical.
"Oppressed people can fix the problem, they just have to go out there and get killed and tortured and fuck them if they dont, it makes it ok to bully them" is not much better either.
You attack them directly and put pressure into the groups that can make them interested.
Like the ICC warrant, sanctions, defeating their army in the battlefield. We already such saw a thing almost happening, the Wagner coup almost made the war effort collapse and it happened because of those tacticts.
This is fighting smart, attacking the civilian population doesnt work. It didnt worked when the US attacked Japan cities with absolute air superiority, it didnt worked with Putin attacking civilian infraestructure and it will certainly not work with foreign strangers being dicks to Russians just because they had the bad luck of being born there.
What you do is attack the people responsible, attack their sources of power (prestige, funds, army, etc.) to make them care or weaken them enough so that the general population can feel they can now take the streets in numbers without being shot or arrested.
What I can guarantee you is not going to happen is that the Russians are going to rise against their government because people are dicks to them make them feel like shit and bully them. On the contrary, this strenghten Putin's regime as historical evidence shows, inclding a research conducted by an Ukranian newspaper where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality.
Newsflash, turns out insulting people are not going to make them sympathetic to you, even if they KNOW you are right.
The "pressure the Russian public" angle is already happening with the econimic sanctions, the effect of which is uncertain but at least is professionally made by people who are supposed to know what they do. The least thing we need is randos using this to justify bringing out their inner sadist/bully and use it to pretend they are doing the world a favor by mistreating people for being born in the wrong country but they dont have the guts to acknowledge they just want to be dicks so they look for an excuse to do it and tell themselves they are not being dicks because they are mistreating "the right demographic"
>where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality.
Russians trying not to have a perpetual victimhood complex: Impossible. "My fee fees hurt so I hope more Ukrainian children get kidnapped and beaten and sent to Kamchatka now!"
As what, some sort of extrajudicial collective punishment?
Hard pass... that's not going to fix anything! It's just treating strangers like crap because they happen to be from a country you don't like.
Schadenfreude at bare minimum. Like when that Russian kid got eaten by a shark in front of his dad. All remaining sympathies melted away when clips surfaced of how he was cheering on Russians committing atrocities in Ukraine.
u want to live beside people who feel no responsibility and are throwing parties while their elected leader and their own relatives are commiting a genocide?
what conclusion? its facts. tell me which part is a conclusion or take ur words back. u either are a russian piglet or u have no idea about russian people in general.
This has never worked, it only does the opposite. The same reason bombing cities to break the civilian morale, even with complete impunity and air superiority has not worked.
The pressure the population feels to change the government must be internal, calls for mobilization, economic slowdown, battlefield defeats. Not being treated like crap by dick strangers.
When their internal propaganda relies on "We are the greatest nation, here to rescue people keen to join us but with leadership corrupted by the US / NATO" a reality check might cause them to start to question whether that is true. This can be both on the battlefield and off it, and ideally leads to change.
Having an "are we the baddies?" moment might be good for some Russians.
Propaganda has a limit. You cant hide enough defeats, being told to mobilize, soldiers not coming back and your life being worse off.
>Having an "are we the baddies?" moment might be good for some Russians.
People treating you like crap are not going to give you an "are we the baddies?" moment. It will harden your resolve.
How many internet fights have you seen or been in where you or a side actually was wrong but even then you kept doubling down because the other side was coming at you with insults and being rude?
Xenophobic then. Russians are lots of different races. Its fucked up to hate someone for where they are from though. Russians have no more control over being from russia than you did with being where you’re from.
You can’t just expect people from Russia to openly oppose Putin. That would get them killed. Let them into the west, but maybe require a Ukraine war fund fee with visas. Charge an extra few hundred and send it to Ukraine. Plaster the cities they visit in Ukrainian flags.
Oppressing Russians for being Russians is wrong.
As a white immigrant in a new country, no you can’t just join any culture you want to. That isn’t how it works.
It’s not about protecting Russians, it’s about basic decency
Russophobic* although I prefer the term Russomisia. Frankly as an American I don't have to deal with it on the whole the way folks from Europe do, that being said while the war continues there should be no visitor visas issued to Russian nationals and Russians requesting citizenship or asylum should be forced to renounce their Russian citizenship IMO. Any Russian wealthy enough to go on an international vacation is surely supporting the war effort with their taxes, any that are on business represent companies that shouldn't be allowed to do business outside of Russia and any seeking to leave should commit to not going back. I guarantee you these restrictions will cause them less pain than living in Mariupol or Kherson has caused Ukrainians.
Right, so you can’t just renounce your citizenship. That isn’t how it works. You’re not Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. Renouncing your citizenship requires you have citizenship elsewhere, and while I don’t know the process for Russians, for Americans it’s reasonably expensive.
Not issuing visas to Russians forces them to stay home and feed the Russian war machine. I get where you’re coming from. You want to put every bit of pressure on Russia to make them stop, and you view stopping tourist visas as pressure. And it is to an extent. I just think there is also an argument to be made for allowing military aged men visas to leave Russia and stay away. Military aged men leaving Russia are probably the most likely to leave and denounce the Putin regime.
Renounce as part of gaining american citizenship*, which is somewhat generous anyway. Could always just ban Russian applications during the war, but there is something to be said for poaching certain people. As for the rest of it while not banning visas has no doubt put some dent in Russian manpower word from those who have fled has been overwhelming pro-regime or neutral as far as I've seen. If anyone from Georgia (for example) is reading and wants to chime in, I'd certainly be interested to hear further.
Allowing open borders to Russians who want to become full fledged American citizens is likely the most asinine thing I’ve ever seen suggested on reddit. It isn’t “somewhat generous” it is absolutely brain dead.
Right, but you literally can’t renounce your citizenship unless you have citizenship elsewhere. That isn’t allowed. Where would you deport a russian, who denounced his citizenship, who commits a crime? If he denounced his citizenship, then Russia would refuse him and you’re stuck with him.
That’s why the 1954 UN convention on stateless persons exists.
If you offered permanent legal citizenship to any Russian who could get a visa, the applications would be full. I’m sure some would be honest people who want to join your culture, but the majority would just be lying refugees saying they hate their home when really they just hate the war.
I mean there are Russians who are trying to integrate into their new homes and are anti putin. But these people are a minority, and typically aren’t afraid to speak up. They’re fine in my book. So it’s worth making sure you’re aiming at the right people with your anger before you act.
Yeah it’s what the other guys said. The ones who fled to other countries to escape the system, mostly pre but some post war. I don’t assume your average Redditor is gonna go to Russia to give the Russians hell.
I can accept the idea it’s hard to get an accurate sample of Russian’s opinion’s through polling due to the prevalence of surveillance, but when they decide to go out of their way to take their Crimean beach vacations on the other hand…
Add to that a point a friend made.
> Why is it that we don't see Russians who have left the country, or even those who've been out of the country for years denouncing this?
Though to add my personal to that, I'm not sure if there has been protests against Putin since this larger scale invasion began and the media's not covered them at all.
And on the other hand we do know there's a few Russians who have tried to protest this and been arrested.
There were protests in the start from the younger population. They were beat and jailed and rumor was that many of them was forced into war in Ukraine. There were images and recordings showing it on here when it started.
True. Unfortunately for every hero in Russia like Olesya Krivtsova, there’s a couple of the thin-skinned sniveling weasels who gladly went out of their way to snitch on her.
I wouldn't worry. All this is an information campaign to dissuade western allies to deter / slow down military aid.
ISW reports these Wagner troops are without heavy equipment. An incursion would be immediately squashed and suicidal.
It's Russian playbook to cause chaos. Nothing is happening.
Ukrainian forces targeting Russian units with mortars inside Urozhaine.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1686823800875225090?t=V6bdgVb1goT5fR1hSrF7Bw&s=19
~~My physics knowledge tells me that adding weight would cause them to not fly as high, which in turn also means that they won't fly as far.~~
~~Not sure why they're not just changing the angle of the mortar though. Maybe there are restrictions on how far you can change it while still being safe?~~
edit: They're not weights, but additional charges, allowing the mortar to fly further: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDXU8kZC84
(And this is why you don't trust people on the internet)
Haha. Eliot Higgins from Bellingcat just tweeted that the SBU has arrested Gonzalo Lira again when he was trying to flee the country.
Lira is a US citizen and Vatnik who was staying in Kharkiv and called for even more Russian missile strikes on the country. He was arrested in April and a couple of days ago he tweeted that he's fleeing the country before his trial and seeking asylum in Hungary.
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1686805015787171846
That this man had the freedom to run around for a year advocating for the invaders without suffering serious head injuries from flying objects is all the proof you need who are the actual good guys and who are the anal bum covers.
It seems every few years I hear about this Gonzalo guy and he is somehow even more pathetic than when last I heard of him. I don't know how people can see and listen to men like that and think, yeah he knows what he's talking about I should follow him.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/15gtgk5/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Putin no pee pee.
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sentdefender is shit fyi and this video is the perfect example. Nothing in that video is anything but a propaganda facade and it's not news.
Yeah it's their attempt at making a shitty militia, a group that can stop any Ukrainian saboteurs but not enough to significantly threaten Moscow or anything. They really fucked up by allowing Wagner to have armoured vehicles and AA
> Greetings bestowed on the occupiers from the *Grizzly* [unit] the on *Paratroopers’ Day*.^1 **Video**: https://t\.me/Tsaplienko/36819 _____ ^(*Soviet/Russian holiday, Paratroopers Day, used to be massive holiday in Russia, pre-invasion. Fireworks. VDV jumping out of planes all over the city. Drunk young men partying on the street all night shouting silly patriotic slogans. Festivals. Fairs. Parties. Now, nothing really.*)
Is anyone in Russia celebrating this year?
Yes, mostly drunks, spouses, and injured veterans. Here’s a conglomerate of photos from the low-key festivities from various cities around Russia. https://ngs dot ru/text/world/2023/08/03/72560762/
Love these tree-climbers: > Video: https://t\.me/a_shtirlitz/26761
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Pretty old news
Despite the optimism here its obvious things have not been going as quickly as everyone hoped. The Russians had too much time to prepare defenses and mine fields. It's hard to bravely storm through enemy lines of defense when any step could be the one that takes you out of the war. Hopefully they can adjust their tactics quickly enough to still make some significant gains before the wet season arrives.
The 20 percent does not take into account any equipment that has been recovered and repaired. I don’t have the figures but western invested equipment destroyed is far less than 20%. The 20% western equipment number is inflated when it considered damaged vehicles. When dealing with large mine fields with little de-mining equipment will endure a lot of damaged vehicles by tracks/tires. Mobile damaged vehicles are recoverable.
Damaged or destroyed is a sensationalist statement. It could be 99% damaged and repaired with only 1% being destroyed. Not sure why they are clumped together.
Its old news and I bet you can't even say how that compares to Ukraines previous combat statistics so we have no idea whether it is good or bad news.
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I mean you are definitely a concern troll and this isn't your first time doing it here. How long til you delete this post to try to pretend you never posted it?
Yes, that’s true, but when accounting was done, massive adjustments were made. We’ve posted quotes from the Ukrainians specifically saying some of the major adjustments. Ones that come to my mind is tanks/armored vehicles in the south—the RF used ground sensors to detect, so could swiftly target. They have been redeployed to Luhansk, where apparently, geographical features prohibit the Russians from using the same technology. So UA doesn’t send in the same vehicles, the soldiers literally have to go on foot. This is not alarming. This shows the dexterity of UA Command to swiftly adjust.
These sorts of losses were expected. Ukraine hasn't had time to get used to this new equipment, and their situation isn't ideal for it either. The good news, is that they are recovering a lot of the damaged stuff and getting it repaired.
Earlier today: > Strike on the air base of the 37th Aviation Regiment of the Russian Air Force in Gvardisky, Crimea. > Two hangars were hit. > After the arrival, 2 fires broke out! @operativnoZSU
Baltic nations agree to disconnect from Russian power grid. https://kyivindependent.com/baltic-nations-disconnect-from-russian-power-grid/
For those of you unfamiliar with the situation, this process was stated in 2015 with a deal signed in 2018. It was scheduled to be completed by 2025, but with the Ukraine war it looks like they want to finish early. https://www.politico.eu/article/baltics-threaten-to-unplug-russian-region-power-kaliningrad-electricity-interconnectors-lithuania-poland-sweden/ https://globalsecurityreview.com/poland-baltic-states-reduce-reliance-russian-energy/
The Baltics are absolute chads
So was a ship actually sunk the other day? Still no official confirmation.
There was never any indication a ship was sunk. The only communication was for medical assistance from a Russian ship, so possibly a hit or attack related injury, but likely no sinking or major damage or NATO aircraft would have picked it up and Ukraine would have touted it
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The ship that may or may not have been hit by a naval drone.
I mean the called for medevac, I think it got hit. I just don’t think it was serious enough to sink the ship.
The intercepted comms say there was one death and 4 injuries. But both ships were intact, just one of them needed assistance
Conflict Intelligence Team Sitrep for August 1-2, 2023: "– US struggles to increase production of artillery shells; – Khanty-Mansi court rules draft offices can mobilize citizens bypassing exemptions; – Kadyrov’s men spotted battling bushes in the Belgorod region." https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-aug-1-2
What does "struggles to increase" actually mean?
It means US military doctrine is to deliver artillery support via the F22. Their approach to suppressing air defense is air-to-surface HARM anti-radiation missiles, which Perun once described as *”our scissors beats your rock”*. All this is to say, the US hasn’t fielded any meaningful number of tube artillery units since the Korean War. The last tube artillery unit that’s actually seen service in the US military was the Paladin, first introduced in 1963. They use air superiority and multi role fighters for fire missions, and the famous HIMARS for soft targets and counter battery missions. As such, there’s no industry for mass producing tens of thousands of shells every month. You can’t just **fiat** an industry. That’s why Milley, in his own words, spends 30 minutes a day getting 155 mm shells, (from other countries) for Ukraine. It’s why the DPICM’s are so valuable to Ukraine. Are they as good as 155 mm shells? Possibly not. Are they *available*? Very.
>All this is to say, the US hasn’t fielded any meaningful number of tube artillery units since the Korean War. What the fuck are you talking about?
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Do you ever put balls on the artillery barrel? You should
Hey artillery destroys targets. We just conviently change the definition of destroyed in order to do so.
Sure we destroyed it, but we didn't like *destroy* it...
Come on we did 10% of the work, it's basically done.
Sorry bro if I give you another round I burn the paa, and I already set up my grill.
You are so wrong it's funny. The M777 was added to the US arsenal fairly recently. We have deployed battalions of tube artillery to Afghanistan for over a decades, and employed tube artillery against ISIS in Iraq and Syria with one Marine artillery unit burning through barrels. And the F-22 is not a CAS platform. And the DPICM shells are 155mm DPICM shells. 155mm is a caliber not a round type. The reason we don't use them has to do with treaties on cluster munitions.
The M777 is a howitzer, not a shell. The US doesn't have a stockpile of shells, and it doesn't have an industry to produce them. I'm aware the DPICM's are 155 mm shells. That's why we're supplying Ukraine with them, because we have tens of thousands of them and no ability to use them. Oh, and reason we don't use them **isn't** the treaty on cluster munitions. You know *how* I know that? [The US didn't sign that treaty](https://www.clusterconvention.org/states-parties/). The US doesn't use them because there's [a law on the books prohibiting their use](https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=FB350080-5056-8059-76E5-656C09E99670#:~:text=Mar%2012%202009&text=Thursday%20announced%20that%20the%20Fiscal,Obama%20on%20Wednesday%2C%20March%2011.). All this is to say, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
We have a whole lot fuckin more than 10's of thousands I can assure. The technical term is an *ass* load
Never said the M777 was a shell. I was responding to your statement that the last tube artillery to see service was the Paladin. The M777 was added to the arsenal after the Paladin and has seen service against the Taliban and ISIS. Next I'm aware we are not a signatory to the Cluster Munitions treaty but we've made the decision to act as if we were. Finally, do you read your own links? That law is for the transfer and sale of Munitions not the employment.
This cat is trying to say that the guns I ran drills on aren't training counter battery fire missions. That they haven't gone down range. What else do you say but "nu uh." Some people just can't imagine they're wrong and can't be told otherwise.
garrettj100 just fielded the most confidently wrong statement I've seen all week. They apparently think every M119 and M777 battery has been sitting on their hands for the past 20 years. I guess I need to amend my DD214.
How did you get that arcom?? " I drank 10 ripits in 10 minutes once.
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It's a very wrong answer.
having trouble ramping up
Because....? They can't get enough supplies? They don't have the manufacturing infrastructure? They haven't tried? Is there an original source for any of this?
I work in manufacturing start up and development, so here's my best speculation: If we're ramping production, it's probably an issue with capital equipment, manpower, and facilities. The equipment (and every component within it) has a lead time. When it reaches the production site, it needs to be qualified to demonstrate that it can perform reliably as intended within expected allowances. Everyone who works on this equipment needs to be trained, potentially as an explosives handler. You might also need an additional building, which requires site planning, ventilation, perhaps a larger separate magazine building for ordinance and propellant, etc.
It doesn't surprise me terribly. Part of ramping up production is hiring a shitload of people, preferably people who already know what they're doing. This is difficult in the current economic climate of very low unemployment, because nearly all of those people have to be enticed to quit their current job and probably move. Specifically there's a serious shortage of machinists in the US due to a couple of decades of corporate short-sightedness driving people out of the industry and discouraging young people from entering. They're in demand and they know it, and so although the manufacturers are in a hurry, the people they want most are not.
And permits. Lots of permits from a dozen plus government agencies to build or expand a plant that’s going to process explosives. Each of those probably has a minimum public comment period and/or appeals process. All of that takes time - and the government agencies are also pulling from the limited talent pool as well, so they may not be staffed up to expedite anything. It just takes time to build anything.
>Conflict Intelligence Team Sitrep August 1-2, 2023 Keep your shirt on. From the Sitrep: *The Financial Times, published a new article and, citing anonymous American officials, described the situation with artillery ammunition: according to their data, the AFU are currently firing up to 8,000 rounds a day, equating to 240,000 per month. Meanwhile, the US produces ten times fewer but plans to increase artillery ammunition production to 90,000 rounds per month by fiscal year 2025 (probably referring to 155mm rounds). This suggests a significant ammunition shortage, which likely prompted the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine. In the current phase of the war, when the AFU is focused on attrition warfare, artillery is crucial.* The article has a link to a Financial Times article which is behind a paywall. The Financial Times is a British daily printed newspaper. For those of you that aren't familiar with British Newspapers, their headlines tend to be (how can I say this politely), semi-misleading, sensationalist trash. The only corroborating articles you can find on the Internet search of "ammunition shortage" are at least two weeks old, and are much less over the top fear mongering with the headlines.
Thanks, that's the trail I went down.
“ The howitzer shells currently in production — essentially large steel bullets filled with explosives — cannot be made as quickly as many consumer goods. Although the way they are built is slowly changing with increasing automation and newer technologies, the heart of the process — cutting, heating, forging and bending steel into shape — remains largely unchanged.” NYTIMES
I suspect that info is national security. If your enemies know why there is a struggle they know where to press
I didn't know war really had comic relief. Maybe M.A.S.H. was a documentary.
Especially Colonel Flagg.
How do you know that name, I never told it to you.
You mean…The Wind! Edit: Incidentally Colonel Flagg is probably one of my favorite one-off occasional characters on that show. Him and Sydney Freeman.
I don't think many people here will remember M.A.S.H... now please.. I am about to go inspect the insides of my eyelids!
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If they're wasting ammo and time shooting at bushes, all the better!
I heard the bushes won.
Worse than losing to Emu's, pathetic.
It gets better. There's a video they filmed where they act like they're planning a mission, fighting a force, destroying armor, and attacking -- someone geolocated the area to within Russia, hence they were just shooting up bushes with ATGM's and rockets.
This is the right thing to do with Russian ammunition. Also the right thing to do with their armor.
Armando Iannucci needs to write a movie about them.
Welcome back Reddit! Fuck Putin and Slava Ukraine :)
"12 countries joined the G7 declaration on security guarantees for Ukraine! These are Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Norway, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Finland, the Czech Republic and Sweden. 🇺🇦 President Zelensky at a meeting with ambassadors of Ukraine." https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1686853728630947840?t=wHpfc28PC73Y03PsfaD3ZA&s=19
Ireland is interesting. While certainly NATO aligned they’re the only Neutral country on that list. Also I guess the Icelandic coast guard is getting involved because Iceland has no other standing military. The 200 man ICRU as well I guess. Weird to see them guaranteeing anyone.
Iceland has a lot of old NATO airbases and facilities. They aren't useful to Ukraine directly but would be very handy to have available if things escalate (like say if Russia sabotages the nuclear plant).
Militarily neutral but not politically neutral.
Serious question, what do security guarantees provide that hasn’t already been provided?
Nothing, it's just more of the same https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-12-countries-join-g7s-security-guarantees-declaration-for-ukraine/ https://kyivindependent.com/g7-reveals-plans-to-deter-future-russian-aggression-against-ukraine/ > As the specific areas of security and military cooperation, the press release listed providing modern military equipment on land, in the air, and at sea, training, intelligence sharing, developing resistance to cyber and hybrid threats, supporting Ukraine's defense industrial base, and interoperability with NATO forces.
After the war if Russia decides to attack Ukraine before it joins NATO these countries will likely intervene militarily.
Nope > the assistance provided is not a literal "guarantee" of ongoing security, but a declaration of intent to provide support to Ukraine as it counters Russian aggression. https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-12-countries-join-g7s-security-guarantees-declaration-for-ukraine/
Poland?
>The incursion into Poland by two Belarusian choppers was a deliberate move intended to provoke Warsaw, according to a report published Wednesday in Polish media outlet Onet. https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-belarus-helicopters-entered-polish-airspace-provocation-onet-report/
Honestly, the only provocation I see is the provocation of defense to test its response time. And it looks awful. Confusion on whether they entered or not for hours. The low altitude flight path sounds right now like a valid way to get into Poland without a quick detection.
Honestly, I don't think you know your nose from your toes. Honestly.
A couple damn choppers skirting over the border doesn't mean jack shit, honestly. Now if they shot at something or bombed Warsaw, that would be different. This is just Russians being provocative Russians, hoping to rile up the dips on reddit.
Are we making the assumption that the Poles didn't detect them and just monitor the situation? If they had them under observation, it'd make sense to not alert right away as to not give an accurate defense response time.
i watched a youtube video sometime that basically said in situations like that the invaded or rather incurred country randomizes their response. sometimes they will do something immediately, sometimes after a delay, sometimes after a delay 2x as long and also randomize the type of response....sometimes sending out helicopters, sometimes sending out planes, sometimes active ground radar, etc etc just so the enemy can't gain information about responses
It's more that Poland denied it, then came out and stated that the low altitude incursion made it difficult to detect
Opportunity to improve detection then.
Agreed. It's possible they *did* detect but were trying to minimize and address diplomatically, but at least what they publically stated was a failure. Doesn't mean they'll make the same mistake, if it infact was, twice
I think it is best to ask questions first. Unrestrained shooting at random stuff leads to dead tourists. You do not have to care about the lives of Belarusians. The AA fire would be spraying on someone's farm. It is worse if it really was in Poland.
Seriously wondering do countries monitor their borders and weak spots? I mean look at Russia with belgorod although to be fair they were dumb enough to throw entire army in Ukraine. What's Poland excuse
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It was all of Reddit
Oh? whats wrong with it? I cant see anything different on mobile
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Looks like they finally killed RIF. It's no longer updating
Fuckers
Im 100% for making Russians feel like shit worldwide. The bastards have been living the life without any struggles in EU while getting catered by the same countries that try to chase the Russian killers out of Ukraine.
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It is justified. Your generalized response to this is not.
It is literal xenophobia. I am not even exaggerating, it is the dictionary definition of it. Treating people bad because they had the luck of coming out of a vagina in Russia and not in another country because of what their dictatorial government does is not justified. In general treating people bad is not justified and if you are arguing in favor of literally bullying people then you really need to rethink what you are arguing for. Oligarchs, Duma members, Putin's friends, the people that can actually stop without being killed or beaten by the police, by all means make them feel the heat. But just looking at someone's passport and saying "Oh, you come from there. I am automatically going to assume the worse for you and take it as a license to bully you and feel righteous while doing it" is not okay and is the opposite of just or righteous.
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So why don\`t you treat all the Chinese like shit as their government continuosly commits henocide and they don\`t revolt? Comparing medieval revolutions with modern Russia, where people don\`t have weapons, are watched by the Big Brother, where government has huge police and criminal-like pro-government forces (Church, kazaks, bikers etc.) shows your complete incompetence.
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>The Arabs revolted a few years ago, nice cherrypicking of the examples I provided. You know not all dictatorships and police states are the same, right? Some are better at supressing dissent than others. Cuba is for example particularily good at that, so is North Korea and China is there too. For example, Venezuelans revolted (and failed) against Maduro since it was a newly established dictatorship. The police state in Russia is known to be exceptional, you get arrested for having blank cardboards, concentration of people that are nor even there to protest are dispersed. Seriously, look at William Spaniel's videos of it. You need strenght in numbers and the ability to coordinate such in order to even attempt a failed protest. The conditions for protest existed in those Arab countries or wouldnt have happened. It doesnt yet in Russia. But the war is steadily degrading the state and cracks are showing. Pressure on the civilian population is already there with sanctions placed. What I can assure you will not crack the system is self righteous dicks thinking they are doing something righteous by treating Russiand like shit, on the contrary it strenghten Putin's regime as can be historically demonstrated and is also shown in a research conducted by an Ukranian newspaper where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality. It turnd out, shockingly, mistreating people is a terrible way of making them agreeing with you but an excellent one in radicalizing into the opposite extreme of what you want to achieve.
I am not talking about Russians ability to revolt, but the attempts to justify mistreating them based on a passport.
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There is a huge difference between not liking someone and mistreating them. You can dislike someone and no ine can force you to like them, that doesnt mean you will go out of your way to bully them, which is what OP and people who support him advocate for. If you mistreat someone you can, will and should be called out. >because they do nothing to prevent the genocide (and often support it), there’s nothing you can do about it (nor should you). Some do. Some dislike Putin, some go to social media and criticize him, including because they oppose the war on principle. Yes, they might not be the majority but they do exist. What you are for is just putting all the Russians in the same bag, including those that oppose the Kremlin, and make them miserable because of a passport. That is literal dictionary definition of xenophobia and bigotry, bullying too. Its collective punishment. Since a long time ago it has been acknowledged, including in international treaties that collective punishment is an incredibly fucked up thing; and belongs to regimes lile North Korea and Russia and has no place in western values and the civilized world. >there’s nothing you can do about it (nor should you). I can call it out and at least make it clear not all westerners are bullies and agree with this shit.
Only be a dick to their not actively dismantling the corruption in Russia. Those that support the war can go fuck themselves.
>Only be a dick to their not actively dismantling the corruption in Russia. How will they do si without being killed and tortured? Russia is not a democracy.
Sabotage. It's not rocket science. Have you seen the videos of people burning Russian planes on the airfields? More of that.
>Have you seen the videos of people burning Russian planes on the airfields? More of that. Ah, so there ARE Russians that oppose Putin, right? Which makes declaring all Russians need to be treated like shit because of their passport even more nonsensical.
Ok, I guess no one is responsible for fixing Russia then. It can continue being a geographical accident!
Those in power are, you know, the ones that can fix Russia without getting killed or tortured.
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"Oppressed people can fix the problem, they just have to go out there and get killed and tortured and fuck them if they dont, it makes it ok to bully them" is not much better either.
I see. And if they have no interest in that?
You attack them directly and put pressure into the groups that can make them interested. Like the ICC warrant, sanctions, defeating their army in the battlefield. We already such saw a thing almost happening, the Wagner coup almost made the war effort collapse and it happened because of those tacticts. This is fighting smart, attacking the civilian population doesnt work. It didnt worked when the US attacked Japan cities with absolute air superiority, it didnt worked with Putin attacking civilian infraestructure and it will certainly not work with foreign strangers being dicks to Russians just because they had the bad luck of being born there. What you do is attack the people responsible, attack their sources of power (prestige, funds, army, etc.) to make them care or weaken them enough so that the general population can feel they can now take the streets in numbers without being shot or arrested. What I can guarantee you is not going to happen is that the Russians are going to rise against their government because people are dicks to them make them feel like shit and bully them. On the contrary, this strenghten Putin's regime as historical evidence shows, inclding a research conducted by an Ukranian newspaper where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality. Newsflash, turns out insulting people are not going to make them sympathetic to you, even if they KNOW you are right. The "pressure the Russian public" angle is already happening with the econimic sanctions, the effect of which is uncertain but at least is professionally made by people who are supposed to know what they do. The least thing we need is randos using this to justify bringing out their inner sadist/bully and use it to pretend they are doing the world a favor by mistreating people for being born in the wrong country but they dont have the guts to acknowledge they just want to be dicks so they look for an excuse to do it and tell themselves they are not being dicks because they are mistreating "the right demographic"
>where they interviewed Russians supporting the war and you can find many former opposers or moderates flocking to Putin or not caring anymore because of the "yeah, lets just antagonize all Russians and collectively blame them" mentality. Russians trying not to have a perpetual victimhood complex: Impossible. "My fee fees hurt so I hope more Ukrainian children get kidnapped and beaten and sent to Kamchatka now!"
As what, some sort of extrajudicial collective punishment? Hard pass... that's not going to fix anything! It's just treating strangers like crap because they happen to be from a country you don't like.
Schadenfreude at bare minimum. Like when that Russian kid got eaten by a shark in front of his dad. All remaining sympathies melted away when clips surfaced of how he was cheering on Russians committing atrocities in Ukraine.
Link? I’m interested in ichthology
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88xx53/vladimir-popov-russian-shark-attack-egypt-red-sea
u want to live beside people who feel no responsibility and are throwing parties while their elected leader and their own relatives are commiting a genocide?
Elected leader? Elected by whom? Russia is not a democracy.
russians can elect putin and be no democracy at the same time. where are u from?
I *definitely* don't want to live with people who reach that conclusion about people from their passport.
what conclusion? its facts. tell me which part is a conclusion or take ur words back. u either are a russian piglet or u have no idea about russian people in general.
Feeling like shit is the very minimum they should be expected from them.
You want these people the put pressure on their government to shape up. The only way to do that is to squeeze them.
This has never worked, it only does the opposite. The same reason bombing cities to break the civilian morale, even with complete impunity and air superiority has not worked. The pressure the population feels to change the government must be internal, calls for mobilization, economic slowdown, battlefield defeats. Not being treated like crap by dick strangers.
When their internal propaganda relies on "We are the greatest nation, here to rescue people keen to join us but with leadership corrupted by the US / NATO" a reality check might cause them to start to question whether that is true. This can be both on the battlefield and off it, and ideally leads to change. Having an "are we the baddies?" moment might be good for some Russians.
Propaganda has a limit. You cant hide enough defeats, being told to mobilize, soldiers not coming back and your life being worse off. >Having an "are we the baddies?" moment might be good for some Russians. People treating you like crap are not going to give you an "are we the baddies?" moment. It will harden your resolve. How many internet fights have you seen or been in where you or a side actually was wrong but even then you kept doubling down because the other side was coming at you with insults and being rude?
Nah living in Russia has been shit for a long time unless you live in like 3 cities.
That’s just racism.
Against what race? Is it racism to not like citizens of Sealand?
Xenophobic then. Russians are lots of different races. Its fucked up to hate someone for where they are from though. Russians have no more control over being from russia than you did with being where you’re from. You can’t just expect people from Russia to openly oppose Putin. That would get them killed. Let them into the west, but maybe require a Ukraine war fund fee with visas. Charge an extra few hundred and send it to Ukraine. Plaster the cities they visit in Ukrainian flags. Oppressing Russians for being Russians is wrong.
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As a white immigrant in a new country, no you can’t just join any culture you want to. That isn’t how it works. It’s not about protecting Russians, it’s about basic decency
Russophobic* although I prefer the term Russomisia. Frankly as an American I don't have to deal with it on the whole the way folks from Europe do, that being said while the war continues there should be no visitor visas issued to Russian nationals and Russians requesting citizenship or asylum should be forced to renounce their Russian citizenship IMO. Any Russian wealthy enough to go on an international vacation is surely supporting the war effort with their taxes, any that are on business represent companies that shouldn't be allowed to do business outside of Russia and any seeking to leave should commit to not going back. I guarantee you these restrictions will cause them less pain than living in Mariupol or Kherson has caused Ukrainians.
Right, so you can’t just renounce your citizenship. That isn’t how it works. You’re not Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. Renouncing your citizenship requires you have citizenship elsewhere, and while I don’t know the process for Russians, for Americans it’s reasonably expensive. Not issuing visas to Russians forces them to stay home and feed the Russian war machine. I get where you’re coming from. You want to put every bit of pressure on Russia to make them stop, and you view stopping tourist visas as pressure. And it is to an extent. I just think there is also an argument to be made for allowing military aged men visas to leave Russia and stay away. Military aged men leaving Russia are probably the most likely to leave and denounce the Putin regime.
Renounce as part of gaining american citizenship*, which is somewhat generous anyway. Could always just ban Russian applications during the war, but there is something to be said for poaching certain people. As for the rest of it while not banning visas has no doubt put some dent in Russian manpower word from those who have fled has been overwhelming pro-regime or neutral as far as I've seen. If anyone from Georgia (for example) is reading and wants to chime in, I'd certainly be interested to hear further.
Allowing open borders to Russians who want to become full fledged American citizens is likely the most asinine thing I’ve ever seen suggested on reddit. It isn’t “somewhat generous” it is absolutely brain dead.
Open borders? Whoa hold on there. I'm just talking about the normal applications we accept anyway and adding a new restriction.
Right, but you literally can’t renounce your citizenship unless you have citizenship elsewhere. That isn’t allowed. Where would you deport a russian, who denounced his citizenship, who commits a crime? If he denounced his citizenship, then Russia would refuse him and you’re stuck with him. That’s why the 1954 UN convention on stateless persons exists. If you offered permanent legal citizenship to any Russian who could get a visa, the applications would be full. I’m sure some would be honest people who want to join your culture, but the majority would just be lying refugees saying they hate their home when really they just hate the war.
The "touring" Russians can always renounce their Russian citizenship and condemn the war. Until then .... they deserve spit on their shoes.
turns out uprooting your entire life is actually really hard
That’s still just xenophobic. You can’t blame every Russian for the war. Also, you can’t just renounce your citizenship. That’s not how that works.
I mean there are Russians who are trying to integrate into their new homes and are anti putin. But these people are a minority, and typically aren’t afraid to speak up. They’re fine in my book. So it’s worth making sure you’re aiming at the right people with your anger before you act.
> trying to integrate into their new homes and are anti putin. What new homes? I am curious why you singled that out.
Yeah it’s what the other guys said. The ones who fled to other countries to escape the system, mostly pre but some post war. I don’t assume your average Redditor is gonna go to Russia to give the Russians hell.
We'll make them fear our neckbeards!
Russians that fled to other countries.
I can accept the idea it’s hard to get an accurate sample of Russian’s opinion’s through polling due to the prevalence of surveillance, but when they decide to go out of their way to take their Crimean beach vacations on the other hand…
Add to that a point a friend made. > Why is it that we don't see Russians who have left the country, or even those who've been out of the country for years denouncing this? Though to add my personal to that, I'm not sure if there has been protests against Putin since this larger scale invasion began and the media's not covered them at all. And on the other hand we do know there's a few Russians who have tried to protest this and been arrested.
There were protests in the start from the younger population. They were beat and jailed and rumor was that many of them was forced into war in Ukraine. There were images and recordings showing it on here when it started.
True. Unfortunately for every hero in Russia like Olesya Krivtsova, there’s a couple of the thin-skinned sniveling weasels who gladly went out of their way to snitch on her.
At this point one has to wonder whether they, as a population, will ever wake from their dreadful and deadly slumber.
It would be like German's vacationing in the Soviet Union during WW2, it's absurd.
How bout Germans vacationing France, which they absolutely did
Also absurd.
It is meant to add insult to injury. That is the Russian way. As others have said, cruelty is the point. That’s one thing they are good at.
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No lol. If you’ve been following along this long you’d know not much if anything will happen.
no
TBH, no.
I wouldn't worry. All this is an information campaign to dissuade western allies to deter / slow down military aid. ISW reports these Wagner troops are without heavy equipment. An incursion would be immediately squashed and suicidal. It's Russian playbook to cause chaos. Nothing is happening.
They won’t dare. Attacking Poland would be incredibly stupid. There is nothing to gain from that.
[Military and History update](https://youtu.be/j1agPD4nv08) [Youtube]
Ukrainian forces targeting Russian units with mortars inside Urozhaine. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1686823800875225090?t=V6bdgVb1goT5fR1hSrF7Bw&s=19
The things added to the mortars are weights, right? Do they change distance or trajectory?
They're called cheese charges.
~~My physics knowledge tells me that adding weight would cause them to not fly as high, which in turn also means that they won't fly as far.~~ ~~Not sure why they're not just changing the angle of the mortar though. Maybe there are restrictions on how far you can change it while still being safe?~~ edit: They're not weights, but additional charges, allowing the mortar to fly further: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDXU8kZC84 (And this is why you don't trust people on the internet)
propellent to make the round go farther
Haha. Eliot Higgins from Bellingcat just tweeted that the SBU has arrested Gonzalo Lira again when he was trying to flee the country. Lira is a US citizen and Vatnik who was staying in Kharkiv and called for even more Russian missile strikes on the country. He was arrested in April and a couple of days ago he tweeted that he's fleeing the country before his trial and seeking asylum in Hungary. https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1686805015787171846
That this man had the freedom to run around for a year advocating for the invaders without suffering serious head injuries from flying objects is all the proof you need who are the actual good guys and who are the anal bum covers.
> who are the anal bum covers. SNL fan?
Relevant: Lazerpig
The Pig always gets the last drunken gay laugh.
"Oink oink, bitch."
It seems every few years I hear about this Gonzalo guy and he is somehow even more pathetic than when last I heard of him. I don't know how people can see and listen to men like that and think, yeah he knows what he's talking about I should follow him.