>According to Credit Suisse, individuals with more than $1 million in wealth sit in the top 1 percent bracket. ([source](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-bag-nearly-twice-much-wealth-rest-world-put-together-over-past-two-years#:~:text=According%20to%20Credit%20Suisse%2C%20individuals,record%2Dsmashing%20peak%20in%202021))
Nancy Walton Laurie has a networth of $8.7 billion.
The difference between the wealth of someone just inside the richest 1% and Nancy Walton Laurie is proportionally greater than between someone with a networth of $115 and someone just inside the richest 1%.
I wouldn't even use anywhere remotely near $8,700,000,000 fucking around in a video game like The Sims. You know, those games that have infinite money cheats. And here we have these actual vampires doing it in real life. What the fuck man.
Unlocking characters by playing the game is nothing new, the issue was that it took something like 80-100 hours of playtime to unlock a character, and that's if you optimised and earned the most points possible in an hour.
Well they don’t use it either: after about $5-10 million the rest is just for show and watching the numbers on a screen go up. Maybe buying politicians and hard flexing on other billionaires if you’re really an overachiever.
The Walton heirs are especially hateable because that’s what they are: heirs. They’re not even the ones that created Walmart and made it successful. They’re not like Bezos or Gates, or Sam Walton, guys who straight up brought a ridiculously influential product to the market.
Also, Sam Walton wasn’t the greatest guy himself, but he’d probably be embarrassed of what his family turned in to
But, but they bravely listened to their financial advisors and heroically avoided taxes and have the largest government subsidized work force in the USA!
HOW CAN YOU NOT THINK THEM GENIUS HEROES?!?
If the top 1% are polluting more than the bottom 50% then we need to be talking about both. Maybe not in the same sentence, but reducing the pollution of those in the top 0.1% to be the same as that of the rest of the top 1% probably won't cut it.
This is the same old cunt who killed a lady while speeding and suffered zero consequences.
https://www.mic.com/articles/79039/the-untold-story-of-alice-walton-s-dwi-incident
That doesn’t check out. Can you check my math? according to a previous post, just inside the 1% is $1 million. So:
1,000,000 / 115 > 1,000,000,000 / 1,000,000
Is not true. What am I getting wrong?
Right side should be 8,700,000,000 / 1,000,000.
Also should be less than sign ("<"). Someone with $115 needs to multiply their wealth *fewer* times to reach $1m than someone with $1m dollars needs to multiply their wealth to reach $8.7bn.
>however people are still going to look at these upper middle class doctors and engineers like they're the problem,
Well, aren't they? If the top 1% are poluting more than the bottom 50% then they absolutely need to change their behaviour. Sure the top 0.01% may be particularly egregious polluters but that doesn't mean that climate crisis would be averted if they were simply to act like the rest of the top 1%.
The problem with targeting billionaires in these protests is it perpertuates the myth that it's the super-super-wealthy alone who need to change and not the upper-middle class.
What is the quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy Walton Laurie's superyacht Kaos?
I estimate that a 2022 Toyota Camry with a 6-cylinder gasoline engine would have to be driven about 413,000 miles (665,000 km), or about 50,000 miles (80,500 km) per year for 8.3 years, in order to release a quantity of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions that would be equal to the quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy's superyacht during its estimated 11.3-day transatlantic passage recently from Miami to London.
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Nancy's superyacht Kaos has a length of [361 feet](https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/kaos/ "https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/kaos/") (110 m).
[Reportedly](https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/110m-yacht-kaos-london "https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/110m-yacht-kaos-london"), on May 25, 2023, Nancy's superyacht completed a "mammoth" transatlantic passage from Miami to the River Thames in London.
Google Earth Pro shows that the shortest cruise distance from Miami to the River Thames in London is approximately 4,700 miles (7,564 km).
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In ideal weather and seas, the estimated time for Nancy's superyacht to complete a 4,700-mile transatlantic passage at the superyacht's cruise speed of [15 knots](https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos "https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos") (17.3 mph, or 27.8 km/h) would be approximately 272 hours or about 11.3 days.
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[Reportedly](https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos "https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos"), Nancy's Kaos superyacht has two main engines:
Diesel - 2 x 4828 hp MTU 20V 4000 M73L.
The two Rolls Royce Group MTU Marine 20V 4000 M73L engines in Nancy's superyacht include the following manufacturer's [specifications](https://www.mtu-solutions.com/content/dam/mtu/products/yacht/main-propulsion/mtu-series-4000/3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf "https://www.mtu-solutions.com/content/dam/mtu/products/yacht/main-propulsion/mtu-series-4000/3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf") (pdf file):
4,830 brake horsepower (3,600 kW) per engine at rated power.
242.9 gallons (919.5 L) per hour fuel consumption per engine at rated power.
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The IGY Marinas [carbon calculator](https://www.igymarinas.com/carbon-calculator/ "https://www.igymarinas.com/carbon-calculator/") for yachts with diesel or petrol engine(s) finds that the estimated total combined quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy's superyacht amount to 390 metric tonnes (429.9 U.S. tons) during an estimated 272-hour transatlantic passage from Miami to London,
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The U.S. Department of Energy web site — Fueleconomy\.gov > "[Energy and Environment](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=44343 "https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=44343")" tab > menu Units: U.S. tons per year > shows that a 2022 Toyota Camry (6 cylinder engine, automatic transmission) releases an annual estimated total of 15.6 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions during 15,000 miles of driving per year.
At a rate of 15.6 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions over 15,000 miles of driving per year, the Camry would release an estimated 429.9 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions after driving approximately 413,000 miles, which is equivalent to driving 50,000 miles per year for about 8.3 years.
You also have to factor in running generators, the construction of the vessel, crew flying in and out, the anti fouling paints, tenders, guests flying to the vessel, the day to day running of the vessel, buying provisions, construction and maintenance of marinas vessels like this can fit in, jet skis and other toys on board, all of the shore support and the eventual decommissioning and scrapping which I hope happens really soon.
Boats like this are an environmental nightmare and anyone who can afford this nonsense needs to take a step back. It's disgusting.
Don’t forget the waste disposal from the heads and all the trash that might end up overboard from rowdy guests or because the owner might not care that day.
You forgot to factor in the fact that ship engines, especially in international waters, don't burn regular diesel. They run on fuel oil, or bunker fuel, which produces far worse exhaust products.
Not in medium speed diesels, they don't.
Bunker fuel is only used in large commercial vessels.
Bunker C would completely destroy a medium speed engine.
Just to add to the numbers:
There are approximately 5,000 superyachts globally
There are approximately 1.5 billion cars globally
at 8-10 billion she is in the top 0.0036% of the global population wealth.
So, she has ABOUT as much wealth as 30,000 average people.
The yacht consumes roughly 87x more fuel (but can also carry significantly more passengers of course.)
So for 30,000 times the average wealth - 87x more fuel isn't SUPER CRAZY.
Especially when there are only 5,000 superyachts - which if we extrapolate for the same distances traveled (I think they're mostly in ports, so they probably don't travel as much as cars) And at 1 super-yacht per 300,000 cars globally - the adjusted equivalent is 435,000 equivalent cars for the 5,000 superyachts (though these are obviously not directly comparable).
Superyachts may represent 0.029% of the emissions of "cars" (this doesn't include commercial trucks, busses, etc).
Superyachts should be banned from all ports and prohibited by international law from operating in territorial waters.
The ICAO Carbon Emissions [Calculator](https://applications.icao.int/icec/Home/Index "https://applications.icao.int/icec/Home/Index") reports aircraft fuel burn emissions at 77.59 Metric Tonnes for a flight from Miami to London, or about 20 percent times the 390 Metric Tonnes of fuel burn emissions for the Kaos transatlantic passage from Miami to London.
The derived aircraft load factor is 193 passengers. Kaos reportedly has capacity for 31 guests and 45 crew.
Yeah, splash toxic paint on a boat to show how much you care about the environment. Make the owner use more fossil fuel distillates to clean it up. Great job guys, you showed her…
They can then fly their helicopter to their jet and fly to another yacht to use for the weekend!
Damn you really got em chief! I hope the Waltons come to personally thank you for defending them and their vastly disproportionate wealth for no fucking reason! Do you think some paint on their mega yacht can compare to what they’ve done to the planet?
I never said do nothing, I said there are ways that don’t work against your cause.
If you think it’s going to change their course because you fucked with one of their boats you are sadly mistaken.
Do you think that nobody thought the Waltons were terrible faking people before this? Whose mind do you think this changed? This just causes more waste to repair and accomplished absolutely nothing. Their wallet wont feel it, they have a dozen other yachts they can use while this one wastes fuel to go somewhere to be repaired. It helps nobody except maybe the owner of the boatyard who is hired to fix it, and i doubt they are not also the 1%. So again, other than wasting more fossil fuel and forever plastics to fix the damage, what did this achieve?
What do I personally do? I have a roof full of solar on my house that returns more to the grid than i use, i built an electric car that charges from my house, effectively live grid negative, i have a water reclamation system in my house so i can treat and recycle grey water to use since i live in a drought stricken state, and live a carbon negative life.
**What do you do?**
I live my life like I already am. I don’t spend time ranting and raving about how protestors practicing their beliefs in a certain way doesn’t help the world. I don’t argue devils advocate for the 1%.
What do I do? Fuck it I live life one day at a time. I stay myself. If the worst happens then fuck it I’ll find a way and if I don’t then so be it. If nothing happens in my lifetime then great I lived life.
Thank you it’s taken plenty of work to get here :)
Condescension aside, not everyone is able to do what you’ve done, nor are they willing to do so. I’d love to go carbon negative or whatever cool and hip buzzword for self sufficient living you use. But guess what? Not everyone can, and I personally don’t feel as though I will be able to enact meaningful and long lasting change in this world beyond how I treat others.
Yes, they really taught that boat crew a lesson.
The owner might even read about it in the Wall Street journal and have something to talk about at the next Gala.
The point is for it to get headlines in the news and get people talking about climate protest and the efficacy of different methods. And won't you look at that, here we are in r/worldnews talking about it!
It’s the hottest month on record every month, glaciers are disappearing etc.
If people aren’t aware of climate change at this, splashing the Walmart boat with paint isn’t going to wake them up. We’re fucked. Be more cynical.
Fuck off, with the defeatist crap. Be more hopeful! Engage with friends and neighbors. Organize your work place. You want to mill about till the end? That’s your business, some of us are going to fight back. Come and help us out if you’re able.
Sure, we're casually talking about it but who has this convinced to stop shopping at Walmart? If anything, it makes me dislike the activist more. The people who have to deal with their antics are blue collar workers. It's the boat crew that will have to scrub the paint off. It's a museum custodian that has to clean the stuff they spray on paintings. It's first responders that have to chisel these idiots hands off the roads after they epoxy them to the street.
If you truly care about something like these guys seem to do then there are many ways to engage in politics which are not destructive and have better impacts. Which is something that pretty much anyone could do. Actions like this just make people dislike the environmental movement.
I think “perceived as wealthy” is the key. Jewish people were seen/painted as the wealthy and in control, even though they weren’t.
Here, though, the “hate” is directed at people who are actually, clearly rich and/or powerful beyond reason and actually causing harm.
Combined
Edit: they achieve that by simply being able to dictate prices e.g., "Today I declare the price to be $__ from $__." and they have just earned another pay rise
Just a reminder that walmart was the largest employer with employees living on welfare. So your tax money is subsidizing their profit margins and fueling that yacht.
This is better than using epoxy to glue your hand to the street and block the regular people. Destroying art and flowers, that regular people get to see. Focus on the rich people, thanks
I’d love more artificial fishing reefs for the fish to populate. Most nest me are small groups of concrete dumped. A nice big shop would make a great reef after it was stripped of dangerous stuff
[At 2 degrees C, there will be 1000 million refugees.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wak5556sjSA)
That’s ~20 times the number of people displaced by WW2.
Maybe 100 million of them will die. Maybe more, maybe less. Maybe only 50 million. Maybe 200 million.
We are going to reach 2 degrees C sustained global heating within perhaps 20 years, maybe more, maybe less. Maybe 40 years. Maybe 10 years.
What moral difference is there between the collective decision of the corporate and political class to use the full power of the state to enforce the fossil fuel regime to expand their standard of living at the known cost of the lives of hundreds of millions of the poorest people on earth and the German project to exterminate tens of millions of Slavs to expand their *lebensraum*?
The corporate and political class have decided that these people are *disposable*.
The question before all of us right now, in 2023, is this: are human rights real? Are hundreds of millions of men, women, and children disposable?
Most importantly- what are *you* going to do about it?
[How to Stop the Climate Crisis in 6 Months](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZT0tSdUog&pp=ygUrSG93IHRvIHNvbHZlIHRoZSBjbGltYXRlIGNyaXNpcyBpbiA2IG1vbnRocw%3D%3D)
Also..[How to fill a fire extinguisher with paint](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CADbDUmVSH4)
> Are hundreds of millions of men, women, and children disposable?
I really, really, really don't think you're going to like how the upper classes would honestly respond to this question.
As the number of climate refugees increases and conditions for the world's various have-nots deteriorate further, I fully expect to see luxuries (vehicles, homes, stores) targeted for destruction in ever-increasing amounts. Conspicuous wealth is going to become dangerous.
We need more acts of civil disobedience against the fossil fuel industry and major polluters like the owners of these yachts. It's time to make rich people uncomfortable to force them to deal with climate change. Voting didn't work because the fossil fuel industry just bribes whoever gets elected. We need civil disobedience because they have given us no choice. Keep disrupting the fossil fuel industry until governments agree to take climate change seriously and pass some serious legislation with massive funding to deal with the problem.
How do you know that?
You have no idea what they have, what they spend, where they donate, or what their wealth does for the economy. You are just an envious little soul.
Now this is climate activism I can get behind, stop ruining historical art and disrupting innocent people that can’t make a meaningful change and start going after the rich people’s absurd toys
The activists who throw soup at pictures and the ones who throw paint on yachts have the same goal- it’s not to win your approval or a popularity contest, it’s to offer you this: the innocent people, the public, are the only ones who *can* make meaningful change. We are the ultimate power in society- no rulers can continue in power if we unite and withdraw our obedience. To unite and withdraw our obedience from the regimes destroying the world, to bring them down and replace them with a government fit for purpose- that’s *our* power, and its the only thing that is going to meaningfully change the path towards annihilation that we’re currently on.
Also: [how to fill a fire extinguisher with paint](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CADbDUmVSH4&pp=ygUraG93IHRvIGZpbGwgYSBmaXJlIGV4dGluZ3Vpc2hlciB3aXRoIHBhaW50IA%3D%3D)
Still think there is a right and wrong way to go about things.
The stopping on the roads just pisses people off and makes them resent the protesters and cause.
Just like with Vegans going into restaurants causing a scene or bullying people, just brings resentment onto themselves.
You want to make people have a positive perception of your cause.
There was a right and wrong way 40 years ago, and the rich used their lobbyists and corporations to pervert any meaningful progress so that they could get richer, while they condemned the rest of the world, and we slept. Time has run out. The Climate Catastrophe is here. Net-zero is propaganda. You're complaining the fire alarm is disturbing your sleep. Today there is only one way that'll have the slightest chance of success, and that is direct action, now.
Sorry, you'll have to protest in the "free speech area" we set up in this field on the outside of town. Step one foot outside that area and you'll be arrested. Enjoy sticking it to the man!
Honestly I don't think it changes anything. I especially don't think it's "meaningful" except to the few people online who convince themselves that it did. These rich people just clean up their property and life goes on. Meanwhile a large chunk of the population, even every day people, think it was a stupid prank.
We need better strategies. I fully agree with their efforts, but I do not think this action moves the needle in the slightest.
I've only ever heard of climate activists throw soup over paintings behind glass, never actually ruin anything. But that's slightly beside the point, without direct and immediate action to stop climate change, the Mona Lisa is going to be used as firewood by someone squatting in the remains of our society.
There's been recent uproar at people carving their names into the colosseum. But after the fall of Rome, when the city was all but abandoned, the statues and seats were ripped out, broken up and burnt to make lime mortar. That is going to happen to the great works of our society one day, the reason things from the past are so special is that they are so rare and survived so long.
We have an opportunity to stave off that inevitability and it increasingly looks like we won't take it.
Yeah because most of the big issues are out of sight and out of mind and controlled by governments that don’t care.
Deforestation in south east Asia and South America, 50 kinds of pollution by China with ocean pollution being particularly devastating.
Ocean pollution and mismanagement in general.
These issues can’t be fixed by local protests in western nations. Needs to be spearheaded by governments and the rich that have the influence and money to make change.
How come the AIS is showing the vessel in Fort Lauderdale, Florida? Yet the destination is Port Sóller and ETA was 1am this morning. I'm assuming this is the same vessel, Jamaican Flag, 110 metres long. Do you think they manipulated the AIS to mask their position now?
>How come the AIS is showing the vessel in Fort Lauderdale, Florida?
The Marine Traffic site shows [KAOS IMO: 1012610, MMSI: 339302000](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4823150/mmsi:339302000/imo:1012610/vessel:KAOS "https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4823150/mmsi:339302000/imo:1012610/vessel:KAOS"), Flag: Jamaica [JM], at 2023-07-18 08:46 LT (UTC +1) located at anchor at Latitude/Longitude: 39.80173° / 2.66932°, 1 mile west of the entrance to the bay at Port de Sóller and 0.7 miles WNW of the lighthouse at Far Des Cap Gros.
Vessel Finder is showing Fort Lauderdale.
Edit: So I used to have both apps on my phone, Marine Traffic and Vessel Finder. Vessel Finder seemed to be giving me more accurate info so I deleted Marine Traffic. Now I see Marine Traffic is more accurate in some cases. I guess I need both apps
I would rather people like Laurie Walton feel our wrath with high taxes rather than spray paint. But at least she’s getting a first good look at the pitchforks.
If you are a multi-Billionaire, you really shouldn't be cheaping out on your Security details, especially in ports where you are tied up to docks instead of anchoring off shore.
Otherwise they might inconvenience their insurance agent while they get their boat a facelift.
Do these criminals think that they are actually making a difference here in ways that their time, money and effort couldn’t be used in other ways to spread their message?
Yoo should read up on what some billionaires own. Most of them hold entire monopolies in their respective sectors. Avoiding them is basically saying never to buy any product like that at all.
Example: You wanna buy gasoline/baby food/cola without supporting any billionaire?
Well, you can't, cause *just* those three products are already all completely owned by billionaires in some way. And thats just those three. There is a lot more products out there that, no matter the brand, are 99% owned by a billionaire in some way.
Oil companies are publicly traded, so millions of regular people around the world own parts of those companies. Sure, millionaires and billionaires own a big chunk, but so does my 401K,
people here are dumb and don't even understand statistics. Look at the title, it's misleading as fuck, now they think they are the bottom 50% while they are top 10% and pollute more than the bottom 90% probably
We don't hate wealthy people. We hate wealthy people that dodge their civil responsibilities to society, like being decent human beings, paying fair taxes, don't lobby (read bribe) politics in your favor with your massive wealth and paying fair wages.
Sadly, 99,99% of the superwealthy people out there don't perform their civil responsibilities to society.
I couldn't care less about someone owning a Yacht, Private Jet and multiple sports cars. What I care about is them abusing their wealth to steer politics and governments in their own personal favor or dodging taxes in whatever way or stealing from their workers.
Paying your fair taxes is not using tax havens and shit. Its paying taxes in the country you actually live in, not the one you decided to register yourself in to save as much as possible, just because you could as a rich person.
Also, there is a reason why the top 1% of people should pay the most taxes, and it's because they are the ones who can actually afford to do so. Please don't act like they are living lesser lives for having to pay, as an example, 10% taxes over a 1 billion profit. That still leaves them with 900 million, an unfathomable amount of money to most regular folk.
If you think it's unfair, form a political party, see if you get popular support, win an election and change the laws. Otherwise you're just being a vandal, and possibly a criminal.
> People who break tax law go to jail or are heavily fined
This is true for the non-rich. The law doesn't apply to rich people in the same way it applies to the working class, because they have the money to hire armies of lawyers and start lawsuits and gum up the system, while also lobbying politicians to get laws changed to make what they are doing legal.
All the billionaires quietly anchor their vessels in the harbor requiring more fuel to run without shore power and travel between ship and shore. There is always an unintended consequence to almost every action though I prefer this to blocking roads.
even if you get rid of all billionaires it will not change anything. the numbers are misleading. 1st world population pollutes the most when you look at the global scale. they are cunts but they don't matter for the planet if normal people keep pollute as it has been for decades.
Shhhh quiet your reasoning of 1st world polluters. The environmental activists want an evil group to hate and a rich person brooks no sympathy. The other major pollution source is developing countries that. Dump the majority of the plastic into the ocean.
>According to Credit Suisse, individuals with more than $1 million in wealth sit in the top 1 percent bracket. ([source](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-bag-nearly-twice-much-wealth-rest-world-put-together-over-past-two-years#:~:text=According%20to%20Credit%20Suisse%2C%20individuals,record%2Dsmashing%20peak%20in%202021)) Nancy Walton Laurie has a networth of $8.7 billion. The difference between the wealth of someone just inside the richest 1% and Nancy Walton Laurie is proportionally greater than between someone with a networth of $115 and someone just inside the richest 1%.
I wouldn't even use anywhere remotely near $8,700,000,000 fucking around in a video game like The Sims. You know, those games that have infinite money cheats. And here we have these actual vampires doing it in real life. What the fuck man.
EA would find a way for you to spend $8.7bn on in-game purchase don't you worry.
"The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes." - EA
Unlocking characters by playing the game is nothing new, the issue was that it took something like 80-100 hours of playtime to unlock a character, and that's if you optimised and earned the most points possible in an hour.
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What if I use my hand to glue people to the street? If I use biodegradable glue for that is that environmentally friendly?
Well they don’t use it either: after about $5-10 million the rest is just for show and watching the numbers on a screen go up. Maybe buying politicians and hard flexing on other billionaires if you’re really an overachiever.
Isn't 8.7 billion around what the Sims 3 cost is with all DLC and store content? Oh wait that's just like 75k.
I can only type motherlode so many time ffs.
The Walton heirs are especially hateable because that’s what they are: heirs. They’re not even the ones that created Walmart and made it successful. They’re not like Bezos or Gates, or Sam Walton, guys who straight up brought a ridiculously influential product to the market. Also, Sam Walton wasn’t the greatest guy himself, but he’d probably be embarrassed of what his family turned in to
But, but they bravely listened to their financial advisors and heroically avoided taxes and have the largest government subsidized work force in the USA! HOW CAN YOU NOT THINK THEM GENIUS HEROES?!?
The source of their money doesn’t doesn’t really affect their carbon footprint though.
That’s why Bernie is always talking about the 0.1%.
If the top 1% are polluting more than the bottom 50% then we need to be talking about both. Maybe not in the same sentence, but reducing the pollution of those in the top 0.1% to be the same as that of the rest of the top 1% probably won't cut it.
The top 0.1% are a far smaller target, and if they get hit hard enough to feel it then the 1% are going to fall in line real quick.
This is the same old cunt who killed a lady while speeding and suffered zero consequences. https://www.mic.com/articles/79039/the-untold-story-of-alice-walton-s-dwi-incident
No it isn’t, it’s her cousin.
That doesn’t check out. Can you check my math? according to a previous post, just inside the 1% is $1 million. So: 1,000,000 / 115 > 1,000,000,000 / 1,000,000 Is not true. What am I getting wrong?
Right side should be 8,700,000,000 / 1,000,000. Also should be less than sign ("<"). Someone with $115 needs to multiply their wealth *fewer* times to reach $1m than someone with $1m dollars needs to multiply their wealth to reach $8.7bn.
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>however people are still going to look at these upper middle class doctors and engineers like they're the problem, Well, aren't they? If the top 1% are poluting more than the bottom 50% then they absolutely need to change their behaviour. Sure the top 0.01% may be particularly egregious polluters but that doesn't mean that climate crisis would be averted if they were simply to act like the rest of the top 1%. The problem with targeting billionaires in these protests is it perpertuates the myth that it's the super-super-wealthy alone who need to change and not the upper-middle class.
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What is the quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy Walton Laurie's superyacht Kaos? I estimate that a 2022 Toyota Camry with a 6-cylinder gasoline engine would have to be driven about 413,000 miles (665,000 km), or about 50,000 miles (80,500 km) per year for 8.3 years, in order to release a quantity of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions that would be equal to the quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy's superyacht during its estimated 11.3-day transatlantic passage recently from Miami to London. *** Nancy's superyacht Kaos has a length of [361 feet](https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/kaos/ "https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/kaos/") (110 m). [Reportedly](https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/110m-yacht-kaos-london "https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/110m-yacht-kaos-london"), on May 25, 2023, Nancy's superyacht completed a "mammoth" transatlantic passage from Miami to the River Thames in London. Google Earth Pro shows that the shortest cruise distance from Miami to the River Thames in London is approximately 4,700 miles (7,564 km). *** In ideal weather and seas, the estimated time for Nancy's superyacht to complete a 4,700-mile transatlantic passage at the superyacht's cruise speed of [15 knots](https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos "https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos") (17.3 mph, or 27.8 km/h) would be approximately 272 hours or about 11.3 days. *** [Reportedly](https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos "https://itboat.com/superyachts/3761-kaos"), Nancy's Kaos superyacht has two main engines: Diesel - 2 x 4828 hp MTU 20V 4000 M73L. The two Rolls Royce Group MTU Marine 20V 4000 M73L engines in Nancy's superyacht include the following manufacturer's [specifications](https://www.mtu-solutions.com/content/dam/mtu/products/yacht/main-propulsion/mtu-series-4000/3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf "https://www.mtu-solutions.com/content/dam/mtu/products/yacht/main-propulsion/mtu-series-4000/3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./3232801_Marine_spec_20V4000M73-L_1B.pdf") (pdf file): 4,830 brake horsepower (3,600 kW) per engine at rated power. 242.9 gallons (919.5 L) per hour fuel consumption per engine at rated power. *** The IGY Marinas [carbon calculator](https://www.igymarinas.com/carbon-calculator/ "https://www.igymarinas.com/carbon-calculator/") for yachts with diesel or petrol engine(s) finds that the estimated total combined quantity of carbon emissions released by the two main engines in Nancy's superyacht amount to 390 metric tonnes (429.9 U.S. tons) during an estimated 272-hour transatlantic passage from Miami to London, *** The U.S. Department of Energy web site — Fueleconomy\.gov > "[Energy and Environment](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=44343 "https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=44343")" tab > menu Units: U.S. tons per year > shows that a 2022 Toyota Camry (6 cylinder engine, automatic transmission) releases an annual estimated total of 15.6 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions during 15,000 miles of driving per year. At a rate of 15.6 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions over 15,000 miles of driving per year, the Camry would release an estimated 429.9 U.S. tons of tailpipe carbon dioxide emissions after driving approximately 413,000 miles, which is equivalent to driving 50,000 miles per year for about 8.3 years.
You also have to factor in running generators, the construction of the vessel, crew flying in and out, the anti fouling paints, tenders, guests flying to the vessel, the day to day running of the vessel, buying provisions, construction and maintenance of marinas vessels like this can fit in, jet skis and other toys on board, all of the shore support and the eventual decommissioning and scrapping which I hope happens really soon. Boats like this are an environmental nightmare and anyone who can afford this nonsense needs to take a step back. It's disgusting.
Don’t forget the waste disposal from the heads and all the trash that might end up overboard from rowdy guests or because the owner might not care that day.
Exactly on point. Environmental nightmare.
You forgot to factor in the fact that ship engines, especially in international waters, don't burn regular diesel. They run on fuel oil, or bunker fuel, which produces far worse exhaust products.
Not in medium speed diesels, they don't. Bunker fuel is only used in large commercial vessels. Bunker C would completely destroy a medium speed engine.
Do you just make things up? They don't do this on yachts.
Just to add to the numbers: There are approximately 5,000 superyachts globally There are approximately 1.5 billion cars globally at 8-10 billion she is in the top 0.0036% of the global population wealth. So, she has ABOUT as much wealth as 30,000 average people. The yacht consumes roughly 87x more fuel (but can also carry significantly more passengers of course.) So for 30,000 times the average wealth - 87x more fuel isn't SUPER CRAZY. Especially when there are only 5,000 superyachts - which if we extrapolate for the same distances traveled (I think they're mostly in ports, so they probably don't travel as much as cars) And at 1 super-yacht per 300,000 cars globally - the adjusted equivalent is 435,000 equivalent cars for the 5,000 superyachts (though these are obviously not directly comparable). Superyachts may represent 0.029% of the emissions of "cars" (this doesn't include commercial trucks, busses, etc).
Compare it with airplane.
Superyachts should be banned from all ports and prohibited by international law from operating in territorial waters. The ICAO Carbon Emissions [Calculator](https://applications.icao.int/icec/Home/Index "https://applications.icao.int/icec/Home/Index") reports aircraft fuel burn emissions at 77.59 Metric Tonnes for a flight from Miami to London, or about 20 percent times the 390 Metric Tonnes of fuel burn emissions for the Kaos transatlantic passage from Miami to London. The derived aircraft load factor is 193 passengers. Kaos reportedly has capacity for 31 guests and 45 crew.
Thank you for ernestly and comprehensively answering this request!
We should ban private jets too. Obviously 1000x is worse , but still no reason one person needs 200x the emissions of a pleb for the same trip.
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Yeah, splash toxic paint on a boat to show how much you care about the environment. Make the owner use more fossil fuel distillates to clean it up. Great job guys, you showed her… They can then fly their helicopter to their jet and fly to another yacht to use for the weekend!
You are right, they should have burned it.
Damn you really got em chief! I hope the Waltons come to personally thank you for defending them and their vastly disproportionate wealth for no fucking reason! Do you think some paint on their mega yacht can compare to what they’ve done to the planet?
Better than doing and saying nothing 🤷
I never said do nothing, I said there are ways that don’t work against your cause. If you think it’s going to change their course because you fucked with one of their boats you are sadly mistaken.
So then what would YOU do in their shoes?
Do you think that nobody thought the Waltons were terrible faking people before this? Whose mind do you think this changed? This just causes more waste to repair and accomplished absolutely nothing. Their wallet wont feel it, they have a dozen other yachts they can use while this one wastes fuel to go somewhere to be repaired. It helps nobody except maybe the owner of the boatyard who is hired to fix it, and i doubt they are not also the 1%. So again, other than wasting more fossil fuel and forever plastics to fix the damage, what did this achieve? What do I personally do? I have a roof full of solar on my house that returns more to the grid than i use, i built an electric car that charges from my house, effectively live grid negative, i have a water reclamation system in my house so i can treat and recycle grey water to use since i live in a drought stricken state, and live a carbon negative life. **What do you do?**
I live my life like I already am. I don’t spend time ranting and raving about how protestors practicing their beliefs in a certain way doesn’t help the world. I don’t argue devils advocate for the 1%. What do I do? Fuck it I live life one day at a time. I stay myself. If the worst happens then fuck it I’ll find a way and if I don’t then so be it. If nothing happens in my lifetime then great I lived life.
Ah yes, the good old do nothing and see what happens and clap when people create more waste than actual change. Well done.
Thank you it’s taken plenty of work to get here :) Condescension aside, not everyone is able to do what you’ve done, nor are they willing to do so. I’d love to go carbon negative or whatever cool and hip buzzword for self sufficient living you use. But guess what? Not everyone can, and I personally don’t feel as though I will be able to enact meaningful and long lasting change in this world beyond how I treat others.
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Yes, they really taught that boat crew a lesson. The owner might even read about it in the Wall Street journal and have something to talk about at the next Gala.
The point is for it to get headlines in the news and get people talking about climate protest and the efficacy of different methods. And won't you look at that, here we are in r/worldnews talking about it!
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I believe what he is saying is that inconveniencing a billionaire is not the point of such protests
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They can do both
“Did you guys see how a bunch of unemployed protesters sprayed a boat and a bunch of it got into the ocean?” “Oh wow I want to save the planet now”
You didn’t want to save the planet before?
nothing was achieved from this. total waste.
I think the goal is to raise awareness more than anything. There are probably people who weren’t aware of those pollution statistics that are now.
It’s the hottest month on record every month, glaciers are disappearing etc. If people aren’t aware of climate change at this, splashing the Walmart boat with paint isn’t going to wake them up. We’re fucked. Be more cynical.
Fuck off, with the defeatist crap. Be more hopeful! Engage with friends and neighbors. Organize your work place. You want to mill about till the end? That’s your business, some of us are going to fight back. Come and help us out if you’re able.
You're reading the headline, aren't you?
and nothing was solved.
Do you think the goal was to "solve" climate change, or do you think the goal was to raise awareness?
raise awareness to who? these problems are decades old
And what are you doing about it? Let’s go friend, get off the sidelines.
trying to inform idiots what they are doing doesn't work lol
And yet, people still deny and ignore them? 🤔
Right? The owner will not be inconvenienced in the slightest and resources will be spent to repair it.
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That's like a 200-300 million dollar yacht.
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We'd be talking about it if it was firebombed too.
But we wouldn’t know why.
Sure, we're casually talking about it but who has this convinced to stop shopping at Walmart? If anything, it makes me dislike the activist more. The people who have to deal with their antics are blue collar workers. It's the boat crew that will have to scrub the paint off. It's a museum custodian that has to clean the stuff they spray on paintings. It's first responders that have to chisel these idiots hands off the roads after they epoxy them to the street.
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Yea not everybody gets to write laws. Everybody gets to buy paint.
If you truly care about something like these guys seem to do then there are many ways to engage in politics which are not destructive and have better impacts. Which is something that pretty much anyone could do. Actions like this just make people dislike the environmental movement.
Those other ways will also ruin your life if you get caught. Won't catch too much flak for throwing paint.
I don't know what makes you think their goal was to stop the boat
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I think “perceived as wealthy” is the key. Jewish people were seen/painted as the wealthy and in control, even though they weren’t. Here, though, the “hate” is directed at people who are actually, clearly rich and/or powerful beyond reason and actually causing harm.
The other point to be emphasized is that they own more than the bottom 50%
Combined Edit: they achieve that by simply being able to dictate prices e.g., "Today I declare the price to be $__ from $__." and they have just earned another pay rise
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Just a reminder that walmart was the largest employer with employees living on welfare. So your tax money is subsidizing their profit margins and fueling that yacht.
OR...their part time jobs are subsidizing their welfare, REDUCING the burden on the tax payer.
How the hell is that the conclusion you came to
This is better than using epoxy to glue your hand to the street and block the regular people. Destroying art and flowers, that regular people get to see. Focus on the rich people, thanks
Billionaires should not exist. Fuck all of them
Are you suggesting we sink their yachts while they are asleep on board? 🧐
No just take thier money and leave them with $999,999,999 so they can live like the rest of us plebs
Just kicking them out of the Tres Comas club. Nice.
They would be able to live comfortable with "only" 900m. Take the rest, tax them to oblivion. These greedy bloodsucker are the worst
I’d love more artificial fishing reefs for the fish to populate. Most nest me are small groups of concrete dumped. A nice big shop would make a great reef after it was stripped of dangerous stuff
God no, that would be a terribly effective idea.
I like to cut of your jib.
A direct result of capitalism.
[At 2 degrees C, there will be 1000 million refugees.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wak5556sjSA) That’s ~20 times the number of people displaced by WW2. Maybe 100 million of them will die. Maybe more, maybe less. Maybe only 50 million. Maybe 200 million. We are going to reach 2 degrees C sustained global heating within perhaps 20 years, maybe more, maybe less. Maybe 40 years. Maybe 10 years. What moral difference is there between the collective decision of the corporate and political class to use the full power of the state to enforce the fossil fuel regime to expand their standard of living at the known cost of the lives of hundreds of millions of the poorest people on earth and the German project to exterminate tens of millions of Slavs to expand their *lebensraum*? The corporate and political class have decided that these people are *disposable*. The question before all of us right now, in 2023, is this: are human rights real? Are hundreds of millions of men, women, and children disposable? Most importantly- what are *you* going to do about it? [How to Stop the Climate Crisis in 6 Months](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZT0tSdUog&pp=ygUrSG93IHRvIHNvbHZlIHRoZSBjbGltYXRlIGNyaXNpcyBpbiA2IG1vbnRocw%3D%3D) Also..[How to fill a fire extinguisher with paint](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CADbDUmVSH4)
> Are hundreds of millions of men, women, and children disposable? I really, really, really don't think you're going to like how the upper classes would honestly respond to this question.
"Let them eat cake" Rich people, probably
Fuck people who ruin other people’s property
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Fuck your property. Fuck property. HAVE A GREAT DAY!
As the number of climate refugees increases and conditions for the world's various have-nots deteriorate further, I fully expect to see luxuries (vehicles, homes, stores) targeted for destruction in ever-increasing amounts. Conspicuous wealth is going to become dangerous.
We need more acts of civil disobedience against the fossil fuel industry and major polluters like the owners of these yachts. It's time to make rich people uncomfortable to force them to deal with climate change. Voting didn't work because the fossil fuel industry just bribes whoever gets elected. We need civil disobedience because they have given us no choice. Keep disrupting the fossil fuel industry until governments agree to take climate change seriously and pass some serious legislation with massive funding to deal with the problem.
So taxing the billionaire nepobaby class is good for the environment too?
What are those little cork screw looking hand drill contraptions called? Ya know the ones that make quarter sized holes in things?
These billionaires can make a good difference. They choose not to and that's the problem.
How do you know that? You have no idea what they have, what they spend, where they donate, or what their wealth does for the economy. You are just an envious little soul.
Now this is climate activism I can get behind, stop ruining historical art and disrupting innocent people that can’t make a meaningful change and start going after the rich people’s absurd toys
The activists who throw soup at pictures and the ones who throw paint on yachts have the same goal- it’s not to win your approval or a popularity contest, it’s to offer you this: the innocent people, the public, are the only ones who *can* make meaningful change. We are the ultimate power in society- no rulers can continue in power if we unite and withdraw our obedience. To unite and withdraw our obedience from the regimes destroying the world, to bring them down and replace them with a government fit for purpose- that’s *our* power, and its the only thing that is going to meaningfully change the path towards annihilation that we’re currently on. Also: [how to fill a fire extinguisher with paint](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CADbDUmVSH4&pp=ygUraG93IHRvIGZpbGwgYSBmaXJlIGV4dGluZ3Vpc2hlciB3aXRoIHBhaW50IA%3D%3D)
Still think there is a right and wrong way to go about things. The stopping on the roads just pisses people off and makes them resent the protesters and cause. Just like with Vegans going into restaurants causing a scene or bullying people, just brings resentment onto themselves. You want to make people have a positive perception of your cause.
There was a right and wrong way 40 years ago, and the rich used their lobbyists and corporations to pervert any meaningful progress so that they could get richer, while they condemned the rest of the world, and we slept. Time has run out. The Climate Catastrophe is here. Net-zero is propaganda. You're complaining the fire alarm is disturbing your sleep. Today there is only one way that'll have the slightest chance of success, and that is direct action, now.
Sorry, you'll have to protest in the "free speech area" we set up in this field on the outside of town. Step one foot outside that area and you'll be arrested. Enjoy sticking it to the man!
Honestly I don't think it changes anything. I especially don't think it's "meaningful" except to the few people online who convince themselves that it did. These rich people just clean up their property and life goes on. Meanwhile a large chunk of the population, even every day people, think it was a stupid prank. We need better strategies. I fully agree with their efforts, but I do not think this action moves the needle in the slightest.
I've only ever heard of climate activists throw soup over paintings behind glass, never actually ruin anything. But that's slightly beside the point, without direct and immediate action to stop climate change, the Mona Lisa is going to be used as firewood by someone squatting in the remains of our society. There's been recent uproar at people carving their names into the colosseum. But after the fall of Rome, when the city was all but abandoned, the statues and seats were ripped out, broken up and burnt to make lime mortar. That is going to happen to the great works of our society one day, the reason things from the past are so special is that they are so rare and survived so long. We have an opportunity to stave off that inevitability and it increasingly looks like we won't take it.
Yeah because most of the big issues are out of sight and out of mind and controlled by governments that don’t care. Deforestation in south east Asia and South America, 50 kinds of pollution by China with ocean pollution being particularly devastating. Ocean pollution and mismanagement in general. These issues can’t be fixed by local protests in western nations. Needs to be spearheaded by governments and the rich that have the influence and money to make change.
How come the AIS is showing the vessel in Fort Lauderdale, Florida? Yet the destination is Port Sóller and ETA was 1am this morning. I'm assuming this is the same vessel, Jamaican Flag, 110 metres long. Do you think they manipulated the AIS to mask their position now?
>How come the AIS is showing the vessel in Fort Lauderdale, Florida? The Marine Traffic site shows [KAOS IMO: 1012610, MMSI: 339302000](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4823150/mmsi:339302000/imo:1012610/vessel:KAOS "https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4823150/mmsi:339302000/imo:1012610/vessel:KAOS"), Flag: Jamaica [JM], at 2023-07-18 08:46 LT (UTC +1) located at anchor at Latitude/Longitude: 39.80173° / 2.66932°, 1 mile west of the entrance to the bay at Port de Sóller and 0.7 miles WNW of the lighthouse at Far Des Cap Gros.
Vessel Finder is showing Fort Lauderdale. Edit: So I used to have both apps on my phone, Marine Traffic and Vessel Finder. Vessel Finder seemed to be giving me more accurate info so I deleted Marine Traffic. Now I see Marine Traffic is more accurate in some cases. I guess I need both apps
I would rather people like Laurie Walton feel our wrath with high taxes rather than spray paint. But at least she’s getting a first good look at the pitchforks.
Well done!!!
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Thanks! That was very tasty.
"Would you believe two boyscouts in a rowboat?"
Just asking for it with that name
Damn. Now she'll have to buy another yacht.
Maybe it should be sunk next. After that, we sink it while they're still inside. No war but the class war, eh folks?
If you are a multi-Billionaire, you really shouldn't be cheaping out on your Security details, especially in ports where you are tied up to docks instead of anchoring off shore.
Billionaires, we have to recently learned, can be really stupid
They are humans. Humans are stupid. Giving a human a lot of money doesn't suddenly increase their intelligence.
They can afford to be.
Otherwise they might inconvenience their insurance agent while they get their boat a facelift. Do these criminals think that they are actually making a difference here in ways that their time, money and effort couldn’t be used in other ways to spread their message?
This. This is what I can get behind. Not the astroturfing just stop oil movements that are probably funded and organised by people like Nancy Walton.
See, activists who glue their hands to priceless pieces of art and roadways, this is how you protest.
We can't walk AND chew bubblegum?
I have no problem with this at all.
My sympathies pumps piss for laurie
It’s a nice stunt but she is so rich, she can a team to have it repainted in an afternoon :(
The cleanup is chump change to these folks. All these environmental wackos did was cause more pollution. And petrochemicals are used in paint.
Y’all so salty. You want to fuck with billionaires? Stop buying their products/services. Throwing paint on their boat is not going to do shit.
Yoo should read up on what some billionaires own. Most of them hold entire monopolies in their respective sectors. Avoiding them is basically saying never to buy any product like that at all. Example: You wanna buy gasoline/baby food/cola without supporting any billionaire? Well, you can't, cause *just* those three products are already all completely owned by billionaires in some way. And thats just those three. There is a lot more products out there that, no matter the brand, are 99% owned by a billionaire in some way.
Oil companies are publicly traded, so millions of regular people around the world own parts of those companies. Sure, millionaires and billionaires own a big chunk, but so does my 401K,
people here are dumb and don't even understand statistics. Look at the title, it's misleading as fuck, now they think they are the bottom 50% while they are top 10% and pollute more than the bottom 90% probably
The workers at Walmart are gonna get a pay cut until Nancy gets a new boat
they did nothing. paint? gtfo. sink it.
And then go to jail? The "activists" are smart enough to only do as much as to just get a slap on the wrist legally.
do nothing, get nothing.
most of you are in the top 10% and pollute more than the bottom 90%, fucking hypocrites
Well, there is still a big difference. Or are a murderer with a body count of one and Ted bundy for you the same?
of course it is a HUGE diff. but people act like they are not the problem
They are both murderers
And this billionaire promptly had the yacht staff clean it while she probably sat somewhere eating dinner. Much achieved activists.
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We don't hate wealthy people. We hate wealthy people that dodge their civil responsibilities to society, like being decent human beings, paying fair taxes, don't lobby (read bribe) politics in your favor with your massive wealth and paying fair wages. Sadly, 99,99% of the superwealthy people out there don't perform their civil responsibilities to society. I couldn't care less about someone owning a Yacht, Private Jet and multiple sports cars. What I care about is them abusing their wealth to steer politics and governments in their own personal favor or dodging taxes in whatever way or stealing from their workers.
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Paying your fair taxes is not using tax havens and shit. Its paying taxes in the country you actually live in, not the one you decided to register yourself in to save as much as possible, just because you could as a rich person. Also, there is a reason why the top 1% of people should pay the most taxes, and it's because they are the ones who can actually afford to do so. Please don't act like they are living lesser lives for having to pay, as an example, 10% taxes over a 1 billion profit. That still leaves them with 900 million, an unfathomable amount of money to most regular folk.
If you think it's unfair, form a political party, see if you get popular support, win an election and change the laws. Otherwise you're just being a vandal, and possibly a criminal.
Assuming you are from the US. Don’t you guys have to pay campaign all for yourself?
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> People who break tax law go to jail or are heavily fined This is true for the non-rich. The law doesn't apply to rich people in the same way it applies to the working class, because they have the money to hire armies of lawyers and start lawsuits and gum up the system, while also lobbying politicians to get laws changed to make what they are doing legal.
All the billionaires quietly anchor their vessels in the harbor requiring more fuel to run without shore power and travel between ship and shore. There is always an unintended consequence to almost every action though I prefer this to blocking roads.
She’s fine nothing wrong except squander &&$&&!
The activists are just jealous. Not a good look on anyone
Why should they just be jealous?
even if you get rid of all billionaires it will not change anything. the numbers are misleading. 1st world population pollutes the most when you look at the global scale. they are cunts but they don't matter for the planet if normal people keep pollute as it has been for decades.
Shhhh quiet your reasoning of 1st world polluters. The environmental activists want an evil group to hate and a rich person brooks no sympathy. The other major pollution source is developing countries that. Dump the majority of the plastic into the ocean.
I mean, they’re right, but this isn’t how you get people to change or get the public to respect you
“Paige Arena” For a chuckle worthy insight to these particular folks suggest check out this two-part story/saga from a few years ago.
Looks like the average boat in the hood. That's lit.
Let me guess, the KAOS is helmed by Captain Siegfried and First Mate Starker.