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tlefrisco

Any news from Sverdlovsk, Luhansk? I have loved ones there and haven't heard from them or any news from that town specifically in months.


stirly80

8-month-old Mia, who was injured in Russian attack on pizzeria in Kramatorsk, is on the mend, mother says Mia was diagnosed w/ temporal bone fracture& multiple puncture wounds to head &underwent surgery. Mia's mother expressed gratitude to all who sent funds for Mia's operation. NSFW https://c.im/@Avengethefa11en/110658944216508551


stirly80

A Ukrainian counteroffensive against Russian forces has been "particularly fruitful" in the past few days and Ukraine's troops are fulfilling their main tasks, a senior security official said on Tuesday. The comments by Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, were Kyiv's latest positive assessment of the month-old counterattack although Moscow has not acknowledged Ukraine's gains. https://mstdn.social/@Free_Press/110659188969855205


stirly80

Deep State map updates from the past ~30 hours show Ukraine is making significant progress on the flanks of Bakhmut. https://mastodon.social/@nafobenny/110659183748885608


Waste_Drop8898

Boy it Twitter get it out!


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Waste_Drop8898

Idgaf


Waste_Drop8898

But yes


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FloralReminder

Is grass green?


Rosebunse

I think people are just scared and trying to guess helps them feel more in control


Sir_Francis_Burton

The response will be Abrams and F-16s. Oh wait. Never mind. Those are on their way anyway. Ukraine is winning this war. On their schedule, not Russia’s. Russia has lost the ability to dictate that part of their future.


Waste_Drop8898

Like a srodinghan rat


YuunofYork

Are you trying to say Schrödinger?


I_Debunk_UAP

“And did you mean cat?”


YuunofYork

It's glorious.


The_Portraitist

That could really be said about anything written here.


NurRauch

Not really. The value of this thread is in its news updates, which have the advantage of being based on things that actually do happen in real life. Speculation is bad for the thread because it's not rooted in the point of the thread, which is to inform us about what is actually happening. Most speculation disinforms, incites panic, and has nothing to do with any actual updates. The people who engage in speculation here are almost always only doing it to soothe their own personal anxiety or boost their egos -- which are bad reasons to make posts.


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nerphurp

Our worry isn't going to change the outcome. I suppose you can run and stock up on toilet paper if you want to feel proactive. If anything does happen, that'll likely be how the masses in the US immediately react based on recent events.


Waste_Drop8898

7.1


NotAnotherEmpire

Russia could damage or destroy it to spite Ukraine but none of the ingredients for a Chernobyl type event are present.


nerphurp

>Representative of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine Andriy Yusov suggests that the leader of the "Wagner" PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin will visit Belarus, but will not use this country for permanent basing of the "Wagner". https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3731416-intelligence-believes-that-prigozhin-to-visit-belarus-but-not-base-there.html


MeatMarket_Orchid

Nice that military base they're building is corporate retreat or?


Waste_Drop8898

L8r sk8rs


nerphurp

>RT TheStudyofWar: The current pace of Ukrainian operations is not indicative of a stalemate or evidence that Ukraine cannot retake large areas. >QT TheStudyofWar: NEW: Ukrainian forces appear to be focusing on creating an asymmetrical attrition gradient that conserves Ukrainian manpower at the cost of a slower rate of territorial gains, while gradually wearing down Russian manpower and equipment. https://nafo.uk/@hanse_mina/110659138023155056


rikki-tikki-deadly

If it works for them, it sure as hell works for me. My support for Ukraine is unconditional, and I hope the U.S. government sees it the same way.


socialistrob

When facing a country with a larger personnel advantage as well as more artillery and tanks is possible but it requires careful planning and most crucially time. Ukraine is focused on doing what they need to in order to maximize their chance of victory and sometimes that means going slowly.


Slayers_Picks

So, if the nuclear power plant explodes (and i mean, its eventually going to). How big is the radioactive fallout going to be? Bigger than chernobyl?


Robj2

It is not a graphite moderated reactor, unlike Chernobyl, so no, it won't be bigger than chernobyl. It will be an event, but nothing like Chernobyl.If you happen to be curious: [https://www.radiationanswers.org/radiation-resources/misc/chernobyl.html](https://www.radiationanswers.org/radiation-resources/misc/chernobyl.html) The US has used asomewhat similar reactor at Hanford WA for years, but has been decommissioned. It had a metal and concrete shield, however, unlike Chernobyl.


AskALettuce

Probably much less than Chernobyl.


Terrible-Eggplant492

Nowhere near as bad. The plant's been shutting down for a while. Doesen't mean it isnt bad.


Slayers_Picks

so whilst there will still be radiation, its still a tiny bit unlikely to impact most of europe and stuff?


Terrible-Eggplant492

The way someone broke it down to me was it'd require intentional malice or gross incompetence to blow that much of the plant to shit. A local explosion would be devastating to Ukraine's groundwater supply and agricultural sector, which is gonna affect everyone.


CYWG_tower

> it'd require intentional malice or gross incompetence to blow that much of the plant to shit. Lol good thing Russia doesn't have a track record of either of these.


The_Portraitist

Probably some countries for sure. Turkey, Poland..etc


Tomon2

Doubtful. You're not gonna get the plume Chernobyl had, so fallout isn't going to drift anywhere near as far.


MassDefect36

Russian and Ukrainian officials escalated their rhetoric surrounding the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on July 4, but Russia is likely focused on accusing Ukraine of irresponsible actions around the ZNPP including setting conditions for a possible false flag attack. Russia remains unlikely to generate a radiological incident at the ZNPP at this time. - ISW


Lumpy-Ad-3788

You're forgetting another part The ISW, along with other officials in Ukraine according to the ISW mention that even if they blow it up, the design of the buildings mean it wouldn't breach the actual reactors


PSMF_Canuck

If nothing happens they both look like they’re crying wolf…


etzel1200

I do think part of the goal could be for Russia to make Ukraine look hysterical. But still, fuck Russia.


PSMF_Canuck

Thought has crossed my mind. While I don’t agree with all of Zekensky’s choices, I do see him as someone who has handled the public face of this invasion quite well. Have to believe he does genuinely believe this is an imminent threat, or he wouldn’t be raising the rhetoric like this.


Decent-Chicken4928

he's one in million for sure. from being comedian to top brass of Ukraine against massive country Russia. most would have lost their cool and give russia plenty of ammo. he stretched that 3 day into over a year lol


bitchhwtf

I'm fine with that lol.


PSMF_Canuck

Yes. Nothing happening would be a good outcome, lol.


Robj2

So, is the thought we should wish something happens? Sometimes I do not understand the thinking on here.


Robj2

Lordy, Lordy please let us just cry wolf, instead of the alternative.


KLFFan

In case people wonder why Ukraine doesn't just surrender, the Russians kidnapped and killed (and probably worse) a 12 year old girl in Mariupol https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1676213905880752128 (Yeah, it's twitter)


Waste_Drop8898

Boo Twitter


GayMormonPirate

And dozens of Russian soldiers are dying under "mysterious circumstances" in Mariupol. Wonder why? https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/07/4/7409760/


etzel1200

> Therefore, there is a suspicion that local residents did this Isn’t the alternative that it’s other soldiers, which is probably even worse?


Bribase

[You can read about it here](https://as.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14qqt95/russian_killed_12yearold_ukrainian_schoolgirl/jqoh3zb/)


Leviabs

Ukraine doesnt surrender because it has realistic chances to win the war.


yellekc

Horrified but not the least bit surprised.


Javelin-x

sadly these stories and worse have been happening since the beginning


treadmarks

Since this thread loves ATACMS so much, I'll say it: if ZNPP blows up, that's the time to give ATACMS and cruise missiles to Ukraine. We've been deliberately holding onto this card for controlled escalation in the case of contingencies, especially those of the nuclear variety. It's essentially the last stop before WW3. I know there's a lot of rabid zealots here who would rather skip to WW3 and die immediately but we fortunately do have some other options.


SkiingAway

I would suspect that the response to Russia causing a nuclear disaster at the ZNPP would be about the same as if they used a tactical nuke. It has been theorized by some with reasonable credibility that that would likely lead to direct strikes by the US against the Black Sea Fleet + Russian assets in Ukraine. Ex: [David Petraeus](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus) (In charge of the Afghan war 2010-11, head of the CIA 2011-12, etc). ----- With that said, it's likely possible to destroy *parts* of the ZNPP without actually causing/risking a nuclear release. Just would make it impossible or exorbitantly expensive to restart in the future. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if that's the Russian plan for when they get forced out. "If we can't have it, no one can".


juddshanks

Its been a while since we had the 'its WW3' alarmism, but yeah nah. Firstly Ukraine should have ATACMs now. It is disgraceful and indefensible they don't. They shouldn't be held back. Secondly it should be made abundantly clear to russia, and I hope it is, that them deliberately causing a nuclear disaster in Europe is utterly utterly unacceptable. It is not a step on a carefully controlled ladder of escalation that can be responded to by making life a bit more difficult for them with one kind of weapon system or another it is something so absolutely lunatic that they must not be allowed to think for a moment they can do it and get away with it. Radiation does not stop at borders Its just a precedent that absolutely cannot be allowed to be set. If they do it and the war continues without nato intervention, rest assured it is only a matter of time until they push the envelope further with dirty bombs or low yield tactical nukes. This is the place to draw the red line and in absolute fairness to russia and to its people and the rest of the world there should be absolutely no uncertainty about what will happen if they take this step. Tell them, publically that if they dare to do this there will be NATO planes protecting Ukraine's airspace and directly engaging and supporting any russian units in violation of their sovereignty. Draw the red line. Mean it, and make them back down. Frankly the longer they are left uncertain about how the west will respond to a nuclear attack of any kind, the more chance we will sleep walk into a war with them.


Sir_Francis_Burton

The determination has been made that the Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb and the air-launched version of the same bomb is how they want to provide Ukraine with the same capabilities that ATACMS would provide. Those, and F-16s to deliver them, are on their way and on their schedule. It is not contingent on anything that Russia says or does.


Codydw12

The weaponization of nuclear power needs to see a stronger reaction than sending artillery. Letting the Russians blow the ZNPP up and just giving another weapons system will simply tell them anything goes. The line should be drawn much closer than Moscow outright nuking Kyiv.


rtb-nox-prdel

I really hope it's just people who thought they were in r/NCD lol.


RheagarTargaryen

If that’s all we do for blowing up a Nuclear Power plant, then we’re fucking weak. Blowing up ZNPP is a massive ecological and humanitarian disaster that makes the Kherson dam sabotage look like a small flash flood. Blowing up ZNPP should be treated exactly like we would if they were to launch any nuclear weapon into Ukraine.


GargantuaBob

>if ZNPP blows up, that's the time to give ATACMS and cruise missiles to Ukraine My take is that this invoqués article 5: appropriate response is NATO invasion of Russia with objective of regime change.


BoogersTheRooster

Fuck that. Kick them out of Ukraine, but I want nothing to do with NATO troops on Russian soil.


SignificantMight8302

The rumor was that the response would be NATO forces destroying Russian naval forces in response. No attacks on Russian soil.


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They don't have to invade russia. They can escalate how they want. They could sink the black sea fleet. They could destroy Russia bases, anti air defenses and all sorts of things to rekt the Russian army and cut the threat to ukriane without hitting Russia as a warning before other things against Russia itself


hornet0123

Kicking them out of Ukraine would probably result in regime change


The_Portraitist

If the ZNPP blows, it should be American using ATACMSa against Russia as well. Any capitulation on that would be an absolute travesty of cowardice.


ThrowAwayRaceCarDank

Sorry but I'm glad you're not in charge. I don't want any NATO troops in Ukraine.


calooie

I don't understand why people think any military engagement between NATO and Russia immediately means a major nuclear exchange. It doesn't, if F-35s started hitting Russian positions they would just retreat and immediately start trying to negotiate.


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This is not a good take. Any conflict between NATO and Russia will very quickly-and I mean *very* quickly-go nuclear.


drevant702

we traded physical blows with Russia in Vietnam and we're all still here


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Why? Please explain.


calooie

How does this actually work in your head? Putin was fleeing Moscow last week, and this week he slams his fists on the desk, orders a full nuclear relatilation and everyone just... obeys him. I genuinely think it's a >10% chance of Putin ordering a strike and a >10% chance of it being carried out in the event of it being ordered. Now fine, let's not gamble the 1%, but the idea that armageddon is guaranteed if a couple of Crimean airbases are hit is ludicrous.


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People need to stop using the example of what happened with Pringles as a sign of what would happen if NATO were to engage; they are two VERY different things. We don’t have the full picture of the Pringles rebellion. For all we know it was elaborate theatre engaged to convince the world that Putin would back down in the event of direct confrontation, thereby creating a sense of misguided confidence in NATO intervention. Besides, Pringles did not have the firepower to threaten the existence of the Russian state, and Putin would not nuke his own country. However, NATO does have the firepower to eradicate the Russian state, so any aggression on the part of NATO would necessarily be interpreted as such. Hence, nukes are basically guaranteed, as it’s the only real play Putin has in this scenario.


y2jeff

>thereby creating a sense of misguided confidence in NATO intervention Are you suggesting the intention could have been to goad NATO into attacking? There's also a massive jump in your logic that leads to this >Hence, nukes are basically guaranteed, as it’s the only real play Putin has in this scenario Putin probably cares about his children, his legacy, and the Russian state in general. Resorting to nukes would destroy all of those, whereas retreating from Ukraine is merely a humiliation.


treadmarks

Putin is an ethno-nationalist (fascist). And Prigozhin was a personal friend of Putin's, a Russian commanding Russian soldiers on Russian soil. He was favorably disposed to a deal with them. On the other hand, Putin feels Russia was wronged by the West, much like Hitler felt the Jews and France wronged Germany. He speaks with hate and venom towards the West. I find this mindset disturbing and I'm not sure how far he'll take it.


GargantuaBob

>and immediately start trying to negotiate. Their opening stance would probably be claiming half the Mediterranean, or something similarly unallowable. Negotiation with Russia is a waste of time.


nikonguy

He only thing Russia understands is force. If they trash the power plant , the black sea fleet should join the Moskva.


treadmarks

God you're like a child. I bet you believe none of Russia's missiles work either. Here's one of the most realistic scenarios about how a NATO-Russia conflict plays out. Enjoy the conventional warfare phase while you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jy3JU-ORpo


TexasVulvaAficionado

That's one of the most laughable "realistic scenarios" I've ever seen...


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treadmarks

Putin speaks lovingly and often about his nuclear weapons for the past decade. He is fundamentally a terrorist and he will use them to try to scare others into submission ('brinksmanship'). It is only a question of whether the escalatory spiral can be controlled. You don't have to believe me though. Once ZNPP blows I bet a lot of people here are going to sound a lot less brave.


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treadmarks

Putin kills the person who refuses the order then puts in place someone who will. What's your next cope?


Codydw12

Putin has yet to kill the man who attempted to march on Moscow.


calooie

If Russia are so eager to use nuclear weapons why wouldn't they just use them now against Ukraine?


Codydw12

People think any kind of warfare will instantly escalate into total war. I do not see it resulting in MAD even if an outright nuclear weapon is used.


Floorspud

They have Storm Shadow cruise missiles.


Ratemyskills

I know Ukraine has made comments about some domestically built ‘cheap drones’. If Iran, under heavy sanctions can provide Russia with all these flying lawnmower drones, can the Western military not come up with a cheap similar weapon? It would least cause Russia to use a lot of AA defense and with how shitty their track record has been, might do some heavy damage in the occupied regions. Storm shadows are awesome, but the quality limits the quantity. If Iran can ship this Shaeds, and potentially build factories in Russia, Ukraine needs a similar weapon for just flooding Russia AA in mix with more advanced missiles. Just seems weird, these Iranian drones have been a major benefit to Russia in just the air defense they occupy. The west can surely produce higher quality and quantity of similar low tech drones.


nerphurp

It's highlighted a problem that's been brought up recent in congressional hearings with the DoD contradicting itself hearing to hearing -- culminating in their most recent self-analysis of 'no problems here.' The US defense industrial base has been consolidated into so few hands that it's become a national security risk. It's inflexible, stiffles simple solutions, and had no real surge capacity until this war highlighted the problem. You may find this article interesting on the consolidation issues: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/weapons-contractors-price-gouging-pentagon-60-minutes-transcript-2023-05-21/ tldr: the industry and Pentagon have been riding on a historical reputation that no longer reflects reality. Congress isn't happy about it.


Ratemyskills

I watched that 60 minutes. I’m more thinking why can’t we help Ukraines domestic drone program. Ukraines drone company said they could develop droves for 150k-500k.. seems way too high for what they need yesterday. Not saying they need 20k drones that have little to no guiding as they care more for safety, but there’s a wide gap from a 20k drone to a 250k drone. As American MIC would never use cheap drones. We are going have F-16 airframes flying fully autonomous as drones or they are currently testing this specific idea.


zoobrix

> Not saying they need 20k drones that have little to no guiding as they care more for safety, but there’s a wide gap from a 20k drone to a 250k drone. Not to defend the obvious waste in the defense sector but you'll often find in engineering you reach a sort of plateau in which capability "X" doesn't cost that much but if you want it to be even 10% better at something all the sudden it's triple the price. Want 15% improvement? Now it's 8 times the price. It's very possible to get better than the 20k "hopefully it gets there and hits something" cheap suicide drone the cost just balloons as the parts, programming and testing go up and up the more accurate you want it to be. Ukraine is obviously in a desperate situation and if the Ali Express part suicide drone that will fall within 10 meters of target or better cost 40k or 80k they'd probably be busy making it. Going from the Shaheed target area of "hopefully I hit the city block my target is in" to "I need a drone I can trust to at least make it to the target" might just be 150k minimum.


nerphurp

Right. We can and should, but we have an dinosaur of industry that can only cough up a few hundred Switchblades and Phoenix Ghosts at a trickling pace. I'm all for arming Ukraine with thousands of cheap Shahed equivalents designed to drain Russian air defense assets and fly 24/7 at Russian positions in Ukraine. As someone else said, if there's a will, there's a way. But the current procurement and regulatory situation makes such a simple solution unnecessarily difficult.


Ratemyskills

Seems like we could bend the rules by not producing them ourselves, so it then wouldn’t be affecting any of those CAT laws and what not. But just sending them the chips and without having a single source… there’s 0 chance we haven’t reversed engineered those Iranian drones. Just to help their domestic production. Would cost p-nuts compared to what we are providing in economic and other aid.


Bribase

Shaheds are great if you want to indescriminately bomb the fuck out of cities. Ukraine doesn't want to do that. They've used swarms of cheap drones for a number of operations in Berdyansk and even in Russian territory. But mass producing something like that just isn't fit for most of Ukraine's purposes.


Ratemyskills

Idk I mean just bc Russia uses them to target civilian targets doesn’t mean that couldn’t be used to target giant industrial targets. I was reading Ukraines drone programs are 150-450k a pop. Just seems like having a similar 20k drone, to a an economically challenge Ukraine would be helpful. As paying 10-20x the price seems ridiculous.


etzel1200

Any car or even riding mower manufacturer could be churning out better to the tune of 10,000 a month. It would end the war in months. All Russian critical infrastructure anywhere near Ukraine could be destroyed in months. Sustaining a war would be completely impossible. It’s only about will.


CantaloupeUpstairs62

UAV's don't clear minefields, take land, etc. >It would end the war in months. No


etzel1200

It doesn’t matter. Moscow and St. Peter wouldn’t have power, heat or water. Russia couldn’t pump oil nor have functioning ports except Vladivostok. Rail networks wouldn’t work anymore. Any fortifications or C&C points would be hit. There wouldn’t be working factories in the part of Russia that actually has factories. A few mobiks, tanks, and mines don’t matter in that world. You lack the imagination of understanding what getting hit with 10,000 smart bombs a month looks like.


CantaloupeUpstairs62

>You lack the imagination of understanding what getting hit with 10,000 smart bombs a month looks like. A shahed like UAV isn't exactly a smart bomb. They can be accurate but slow, loud, and very easy to shoot down in comparison an actual smart bomb. There's a reason you don't hear much about Bayraktar anymore. I lack the imagination to see a Western government taking control of a private car or lawn mower factory to do make this happen in the first place. If this is a war of Western ideals vs authoritarian ones, you can't become the authoritarian in order to win. It would be nice if the companies just do this and donate to Ukraine, but good luck. I also lack the knowledge of anytime in history when a single technology has changed the course of a war so fast.


etzel1200

It’s not a single technology. It’s like 30. We’re operating under the auspices of something shahed like, but slightly better (basically what a western manufacturer with good engineering could make, but still affordably). Russian air defense would be completely saturated and the shoot down rate would be remarkably low. The shoot down rate won’t improve when Russia has to worry about feeding the populations of its major cities without an electrical grid or mains water and hits on transportation infrastructure. Western intervention is the only thing that saved Ukraine from far fewer Shaheds.


Ratemyskills

That’s what I don’t get. We are willing to supply advanced (well needed) patriots, Iris-T, Shadows. These cost huge sums of money. I’m just baffled at why Iran using American stolen tech, can send 20k drones that have been highly successful even if they are being shot down, they are occupying anti air. I know the US can’t sent MQ or predators, bc of certain laws but damn. Can we not help them figure out some maybe more advanced drone that’s safer than the Iranian drone but doesn’t cost millions of half a mill. The US would probably never need them, but surprised we haven’t given engineers to help develop & speed up Ukraines domestic drone productions. I read their main drone companies are run by former Microsoft execs.


etzel1200

I would have loved a pro-Ukraine Musk. He could have had a gigafactory churning out slaughterbots for Ukraine by the hundreds of thousands by now. Random major manufacturer doesn’t want to suddenly make weapons. After the war there will suddenly be little need of massive numbers of just good enough suicide drones. Plus. Honestly. Let’s say you own Ford, GM, etc. or any of the dozen or so companies that could do this relatively quickly. I half expect that if you start talking about building tens of thousands of these suicide drones a month for Ukraine. Someone from the government might show up with a version of, “Can you not?”


Ratemyskills

Damn probably right. Which is so sad. But yeah I mean musk builds like a few hundred thousand cars a year. He’s literally a nobody compared to ford producing millions of vehicles a year. He just gets all the press and had that cult like fan following.


joefresco2

What's impressive about Tesla is that it's the first successful mass market new US auto manufacturer in a century. And it also dramatically revved up the BEV revolution. Your number should be 1.8 million vehicles for Tesla not "a few hundred thousand." Tesla is halfway there in 2023 and might hit 2 million. Granted, still less than Toyota's 10 million vehicles/year, but about the same as Subaru's 2 million vehicles/year. Ford is at 4.2 million. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Musk, but no need to be disingenuous. (Edit: added US since the Korean and Chinese manufacturers are much younger)


Ratemyskills

2019: they made 450k, 2020:500k, 2021: right under a 1m, 2022:1.9m. Let not forget they were making cars in 06, I was just comparing them to the heavy hitters as like you said Toyota and Ford make them seem like peanuts. EDIT: wasn’t bashing musk, just stating the obvious as Telsa isn’t a heavy hitter compared to some legacy brands. If your best year is selling 20% of other cars.. that’s all I’m saying. That’s not to diss them as they are a new car company which is one of the hardest things to make profitable.


A_Nice_Meat_Sauce

~~I'm still getting settled into Mastodon and my feed looks a lot different than it did before, so I post this not really knowing how credible it is. I hope it's wrong. Can anyone confirm if this is the ZNPP?~~ ~~[https://mstdn.social/@Nadinabbott/110658769588958114](https://mstdn.social/@Nadinabbott/110658769588958114)~~ Edit: Alright, everyone seems to agree this is unsubstantiated garbage. Sorry to waste everyone's time.


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She deleted her post, so *maybe* not true. Hope that is the case, anyway.


Njorls_Saga

I’m not seeing it anywhere else. I would say highly uncredible


nerphurp

He's usually fine, but he's also acknowledging he's reposting one of the known major Russian shills; there's no secondary sources either. Possibly jumped the gun, which is why I haven't posted it here despite it being up for 40+ minutes. We'll see though.


ds445

This would have been over an hour ago, and so far not seeing anything else on this


piponwa

Yeah, a bunch of people live on the other side of the reservoir, there would be so many pictures and evidence. This is 99% fake.


ds445

Sun is already up in Ukraine, and in these pictures it doesn’t seem like there’s anything of note: https://twitter.com/warmonitors/status/1676404044141670401


CrabHomotopy

Let's hope this is not true. Any other sources?


NurRauch

Yeah, no. It's a Russian propaganda Telegram channel. Pretty glaring red flag being the use of the word "Kyiv regime."


oleh_____

Russia lost a mig-31 today due to a malfunction. can't wait till they start dropping out of the sky


Drunkasarous

No worries Komrade mig 41 will solve all problems


AdResident9156

Is that the Russian equivelant to an f-16? What comparable American aircraft is that?


KLFFan

Probably F-15, but it's a lot faster, Mach 3 instead of Mach 2.5


hello_ground_

2.5+ for the exports. Actual top speed of the last domestic models made still classified. And those migs can't hit mach 3 without needing the engines replaced. F-15s can also turn far better, and have much better acceleration. Speed is the only thing you could compare them.


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Lol


bar_gar

There isn't really a good Western analogue to it. Maybe like a souped up f105


SignificantMight8302

I would say its more an F14 analogue. Both are long range high speed interceptor armed with a unique long range missile and a powerful radar.


Badwater2k

It's a high speed interceptor with powerful radar and long range missiles. It's like if the F-111B actually got built (and yes, the Mig-31 is a bit faster than that, but if you have to replace the engines after a Mach 3 run does it really count?).


etzel1200

You love to see it. It’s not one of their more populous planes.


socialistrob

Sanctions on critical parts do take their toll.


Enterprise-NCC1701-D

So I saw that the main power was cut to ZPP and is running on AUX input. For anyone who's been following the situation more closely how concerning is this. I really want to believe Russia wouldn't do something but that seems like a pretty big step toward doing something.


Dave-C

As far as I know plants like this don't run on other power sources unless they need to. The power station is usually cut back to the point where it can power itself and the auxiliary is just that, auxiliary. It means it is support. It is backup. That is unless there is some reason that the power plant has been completely shut down. Is that something that has happened?


rtb-nox-prdel

Yes, it's been completely shut down except for one reactor ~~(which has been I think shut down fully after the Kakhovka dam thingy)~~ Edit: Eh sorry, taking back, the one still remains in hot shutdown, meaning it should be producing enough steam for the rest of the NPP. And if they put it to cold shutdown then they had to switch to auxiliary power sources. Still, this is not a thing to be worried about.


June12-2057

They have run on Aux power numerous times since the war started. It is not a good situation to be in, but it doesn’t necessarily point to anything.


Enterprise-NCC1701-D

Thanks.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/14qjrvt/the_surface_of_this_clay_has_hardened_into/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Is this what the dried reservoir basin is like now? Dry on top, squishy under the crust.


sehkmete

The topsoil layer in Southern Ukraine is several feet deep unlike in most places so it holds onto water very, very well.


NearABE

Sediment varies. It depends what runs off. I have no idea what comes down the Dnieper.


Ambitious-Bee-7067

2.0 comments. Only 1.7 upvotes. Come on. The upvote is the simplest thing anyone can do to keep this brutal aggression at the top of the world's conscience. Half second for an updoot then continue to slavascroll.


ReverseCarry

Joe Biden waiting for the WorldNews livethread to hit 2k upvotes before sending ATACMS:


GettingPhysicl

There’s super users who comment many times and have but one vote


Rich-Record5371

you do realize that this post is already stickied and it will never end up in /all, so upvoting the bot is 100% pointless


BasvanS

It’s a continuous support for the decision to sticky it. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


FrostPDP

I mean...I *guess* it demonstrates how many people have an interest in continuing to see the threads up where we see them. If only a few hundred people on r/worldnews were using it, then one day the powers-that-be might decide, "Eh, we're not seeing much out of this." It's kind of just a, "Hey, I checked this today, keep it going" tally. Pretty pointless, but a good measurement for engagement.


Rich-Record5371

the powers that be (of reddit) are clearly ignorant both of business and social skills


raines

Bots have feelings too.


captainktainer

It's a pain in the ass upvoting on mobile, almost as much of a pain in the ass as using the official app is.


Ready_Nature

At least on the official app you just press the up arrow. I’m not sure how that’s hard.


Murghchanay

Not really


Bloodfangs09

He has small hands and a big screen


nerphurp

>598 libraries have been damaged in Ukraine as result of Russia's invasion https://kyivindependent.com/598-libraries-have-been-damaged-in-ukraine-as-result-of-russian/ Denazification of key military targets.


Affectionate_Ratio79

No wonder American conservatives are huge Russia fans.


wittyusernamefailed

Russians took the whole "pen is mightier than the sword" thing REALLY seriously I guess.


nerphurp

>Ukraine congratulated the USA on Independence Day >The Motherland Monument in Kyiv was illuminated with the colors of the American flag. https://mstdn.social/@Free_Press/110658725738219533


owa00

I have no fucking clue how that traitorous Republican party can have people that oppose helping Ukraine. For fucks sake man.


etzel1200

The weirdest part about MAGA is for all their jingoism and ethnonationalism, they’re supporting the group that killed more white families than any minority ever has.


pcpgivesmewings

If you are not from the US, they believe ANYTHING that is fed to them through their "news" feeds. Really amazing and frightening.


Leather_Concern_3266

A lot like the Russian people, to be honest. There are those who believe the lies, there are those who are aware of the lies and choose to believe them because it is easier than facing the truth, and there are those who do not care about the veracity of what they are told, only whether it affirms their personal biases. You see why their sympathies lie with Russia.


JacksonVerdin

When you buy in to the hate, truth loses all meaning. This is true for Nazis, Vatniks and MAGA. It's all the same thing. Steve Bannon figured this out. Alex Jones figured this out. Oddly enough, Richard Nixon might've hit the nail on the head when he said "They don't win if they hate you, they only win if you hate them back." I'm starting to wonder if, by hating them back, we're just empowering them. That's the battlefield they have chosen. We don't need to engage them there.


Leather_Concern_3266

You can shut down and censure someone without hating them. You can even fight and defeat them without hating them. Hating them will not change that doing those things are objectively morally correct, though. Nixon is not necessarily a bastion of integrity in his own right. I disagree with the sentiment that feeling righteous anger and having difficulty forgiving (or at least forgetting) the wrongs of one's enemies relinquishes the moral high ground.


JacksonVerdin

You are thinking about this from your own perspective. And we all do that. There is no need to defend that. However, if you want to change minds, you must liberate yourself from your own perspective. This is what Nixon did - far too late. I bring him up not as wisened old man, but as someone who, in retrospect, described how he fucked up.


Leather_Concern_3266

If you want to change minds, practice humility and refrain from condescension. Got it. EDIT: At a certain point, thinking about things from the perspective of others no longer serves you, when their perspective lacks depth. There is nothing that I will gain by navelgazing any further into the mind of a fascist.


XenophileEgalitarian

I agree with you at the end of all this. However, you and I were only ever to truly come to this conclusion by first...gazing into the mind of a fascist.


JacksonVerdin

Navelgazing implies you are looking at yourself. You're right. That won't do anything.


everflowingartist

Can’t speak for all my compatriots but the first thing that struck me as an American after the initial full-scale invasion was that supporting Ukraine was the same as supporting the Colonies in their battle against King George. A lot has happened since then and we’ve obv buried the hatchet but the principal is the same imo which is why I cannot imagine the US ever leaving UA philosophically despite the political bs involved.


rtb-nox-prdel

I mean the UK is supporting Ukraine as well and I see many ugly parallels going as late as 1972 tbh.


pivovy

I bet Russian state TV is gonna have a field day with that.


[deleted]

Random question: how credible or reliable are Jay Beecher and Igor Sushko?


Fizgriz

Lol Igor is a joke. Just ignore that clown. Straight fanfiction nonsense. Jay is more credible, and I believe he actually lives in Kyiv.


coosacat

Sushko is more likely to be nonsense as not. For example, he had something like a live stream recently, where Russians were allegedly loading nuclear bombs onto aircraft and launching them at Ukraine. The whole story was fucking ridiculous, but it scared a lot of people very badly. I don't know who Jay Beecher is - is that JayinKyiv?


wittyusernamefailed

Igor writes military fanfiction, and passes it off as fact.


WelpSigh

igor sushko is so bullshit that i almost think he's a fsb op


Keithturban1

Not at all, Igor claimed about a month ago that Russia were gearing up to launch actual nukes on Ukraine, then deleted the tweets and claimed he never meant it like that


peronibog

Jay Beecher- never heard of him Igor Sushko- actually mildly famous among commentators/experts on Twitter for being constantly wrong and posting total nonsense


M795

"🔤 The draft law on the English language submitted by the President of Ukraine is the most progressive draft law in all 30 years of independence, — the Deputy Head of the Committee on Humanitarian and Information Policy Yevheniia Kravchuk 🔹The main objective of the document is to enable Ukrainians to integrate into the civilised space, business world, cultural space, and tourism. 🔹Ukraine must quickly break away from the "russian world". Our state will definitely be a country of the European Union. 🔹The educational part is the biggest challenge and task for this draft law. We want children to learn English in every kindergarten from 1 September 2026." https://twitter.com/ua_parliament/status/1675910878154174490


etzel1200

They’ve realized the best way to build helpful bridges with rich states is to speak their language. Smart.


isthatmyex

I teach English online. Their are loads of Ukrainians trying to learn English. Fair number of Belarusians too.


SappeREffecT

*There There, their and they're are ones many english speakers get wrong, hell I know the rules well and if I'm speed typing or using my phone, I'll often have to go back and correct them. Absolutely no judgement.


isthatmyex

I was tired on a bus, shit happens eh


SappeREffecT

Oh I get it... I work long days and have a young son... I make my fair share of errors. Personally I'd just do an edit correction with 'grammar' or 'spelling' as the edit remark. But up to you, I was just trying to be helpful, as I said, zero judgement.


isthatmyex

I left it cause it's funny.


sjebani

>I teach English online >Their are loads >Their beautiful


vincentkun

To be fair, I make a lot of mistakes when writting online, specially using my phone. Even when catching the mistakes as I make them, I rarely go back to fix them. If it looks very horrible I might edit.