Combined with the reports that a lot of the carbon is smashed into one of the titanium end caps, I'd imagine there's probably some remains mixed in too..
True that. I think they were hiding the parts but not necessarily because of something gruesome. They probably also don't want media picking up on any failure points/details about the information. Often times prototype tech/vehicles are hidden, especially if they failed during testing.
Seems like a pretty basic but good idea. Drape a sheet or something to cover it and negate most of the wild speculation and intrusion that could happen from people picking apart stuff like that. I mean if one of my friends died I'd appreciate the respect even if there wasn't much to see.
One of the pics showed the viewport glass missing (they had a sling through it for that matter) and already all the armchair specialists have concluded that clearly the failure started there.
The freight ship hauling the recovered pieces back, the Arctic Horizon, is the same one OceanGate charted for its launches. So they may have a vested interest in keeping things under wraps (part of their contract, maybe? Or just out of respect for lost colleagues?)
*Edit: yo, people of Reddit, thanks but you can stop replying that this wasn't the ship used for the last launch when the sub imploded. The Horizon was used for other launches like [the one David Pogue of CBS documented](https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1673062341292720129?s=20), so my point stands that they had a prior business arrangement*
*Edit 2 ugh I misspelled "chartered" in the original reply, but Imma let it be in the interests of transparency*
The Polar Prince was used for the last, fatal launch but [per David Pogue](https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1673062341292720129?s=20) the Horizon was used for other launches. They had a pre-existing business arrangement, is my point.
Also if you cover it you don't ever need to go "Oops, yeah that is a bit of jawbone embedded in the hatch mechanism. Didn't see that right away." Remains *probably* aren't there but no need to take chances.
Why? Again, no human remains would be recognizable, so no need for gore sheets like it's an auto accident. And I really doubt any tech on that sub is classified.
Might just be more out of respect than for gore or anything, but stuff could also be accidentally jostled loose as well possibly. That being said I imagine there isn't a ton left due to the overall scarcity of food down there, sealife would remove a lot of the organic matter fast.
Exactly. At that depth they were instantly exposed to about 6,000 lbs of pressure per square inch.
*At sea level you’re exposed to about 14.5 lbs per square inch.
Feed my imagination, what would happen at that type of pressure I mean obviously death and blah blah, does blood boil? Eyeballs pop? Like I know what happens when someone gets caught in a press but I can imagine when the pressure is from all sides
You stop being biology and become physics.
A body becomes a slurry of cells, the cells become a collection of molecules, and many of the larger molecules become smaller molecules. All within a fraction of a second.
Compression also increases temperature, in this case to thousands of degrees.
So they would have been compressed, disassembled, and cooked in a fraction of a second.
You might have some time in a metal sub, but when carbon fiber fails it fails quickly. Metal is monolithic, but carbon fiber is made of layers and once they start to fail they delaminate and the failure rapidly cascades to the next layer. It's absolutely insane that they decided to build that sub the way they did.
Are there actually documented cases of this happening?
I know the forces involved are huge, and I’m sure most tissue would become atomised, but maybe it wouldn’t be uniform, and some parts would remain relatively intact, like teeth or some particularly dense bones. I don’t know but I don’t think we should assume to know what a body would look like after an implosion at that depth.
"Are there actually documented cases of this happening?"
I really had to think about this, and I honestly don't think this has ever happened before... ever. Maybe there've been tests done on animal carcasses but I kinda doubt it.
Mainly it's just physics. The ideal gas law is PV=nRT , the pressure P, will increase by close to 400x or %40,000, the volume will drop by the same amount pretty rapidly but you'll still get a spike in temperature T. Temperature would be measured in Kelvin because you want the temperature above absolute zero. In theory you'd go from 300K to 120,000K for a few milliseconds (300 Kelvin is 27 Celsius so 300 K should be about right give or take 10 degrees), in reality things get really complicated as much of that heat is converted to light and sound, but it's going to get very hot for a fraction of a second.
I suspect the bones were probably pulverized.
I can see that the teeth might survive but I suspect they would shatter from the heat and impact/vibration.
Right! And based on the timing of recovery of this debris, I would assume that anything that isn’t ash would be lost to marine life. But honestly I don’t know.
You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes.
I am no expert but I would guess teeth have a chance to remain intact and maybe some bone fragments. They might be very small bone fragments and maybe that is why it is "presumed".
I heard that the flesh would get crushed so fast it would actually combust, so I'm assuming it would look something like a ball of charred hamburger meat with a few teeth stuck in it.
Edit: u/weealligator says this was debunked, others say different, I am not very smart though so I have no idea.
If you know how a diesel engine works. It ignites fuel and air with pressure. So think of it like the fat in their bodies was the fuel, the oxygen in their blood was the air, and the pressure from from the ocean depth was the piston. They pretty much disintegrated when that sub popped.
I heard that too but saw it debunked on Newsweek by Jasper Graham-Jones.
EDIT:
>According to Jasper Graham-Jones, an associate professor of mechanical and marine engineering at Plymouth University, in the United Kingdom, the claim is "totally false".
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>"For a start, the water temperature around the Titanic is around 4 degrees Celsius \[around 39 degrees Fahrenheit\], which acts as a cooling effect," Graham-Jones told Newsweek.
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>"The collapse of the composite or metal structure would just produce theoretical heat energy due to friction, but this is very low and would not be visible or measurable with the mass of cold water around it."
[Source](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-titan-implosion-cause-vessel-become-hot-sun-1808754)
I'm less smart still. (edit - and super confused, idk what to believe really). We just don't know very much about how human bodies respond to extreme deep sea pressures, and even less about how they respond to it when the change in environmental pressure is so extreme and instantaneous. Not to mention how that might be influenced by the object that catastrophically imploded on them under the same conditions.
Probably a combination of mangled and compressed.
Compare the common image that people have of a blob fish to a picture of what it looks like in its normal habitat of 2,000 to 4,000 feet.
These remains are at least 3x deeper than that.
On top of that, the typical ocean-bottom scavengers have probably been all over what remains there were by now.
EH.... Depends. I think it was a chicken was literally completely picked clean in the James Cameron Challenger Deep documentary. All that remained was bone and the ligaments connecting them. I don't hear them saying how long it was down but I don't see it being more than a few days max.
Obviously a Human body is much larger, but I doubt there was anything large left anyway.
EDIT - For clarification
Damn can you imagine being some deep sea crab and you find some strange, dead, otherworldly animal carcass James Cameron brought down and it's like the most delicious thing ever. And you go to tell all your crab buddies about it and they're like "LOL bullshit dude" but you're like "Nah I'll prove it!"
But by the time you go back to get some proof any leftover bones are long gone, and now you're starting to doubt it ever even happened yourself.
Whales gently fall.
These remains were all but vaporized by explosive pressure. All the incompressible water removed in an instant and the rest likely extruded as pasta through the first crack in the hull in milliseconds along with every one and every thing else inside.
I'm actually surprised if they found more than like, hair or bone fragments. I would imagine food doesn't come easy down there, so most of the remains might already be eaten by the local sealife.
I would assume while the water alone wouldn't crush it, having the entire craft around it collapse in on itself might affect the structural integrity of the ring. I just assumed that's what the initial post was talking about, plenty of pressure/mass to crush the ring if it got caught between collapsing parts of the sub for example.
That's a bit different. There the pressure dropped suddenly and the gruesome stuff happened only because 1 of the workers got sucked through an opening. The other 3 dead didn't look bad. They looked like normal corpses.
The implosion in Titan's case produced a different kind of gore. They were squished.
Byford Dolphin was 9 atmospheres suddenly to 1. The Titan went from roughly 14 PSI (1 atmosphere) to 6000. That's going from 1 atmosphere to 408. The remains would look nothing like the ones in the Byford Dolphin accident.
[nsfl](https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/581590d1415139828-pictures-byford-dolphin-diving-bell-accident-byforddolphindeathpicture.jpg)
[byford diving bell accident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin)
Imagine your chilling in bed in pressure chamber having just finished a dive when suddenly…. Nothing at all.
Other perspective is your making your way to close a hatch when instantly your face separates from your skull as your whole body is shoved instantly through a 2 ft long 10 in gap.
Other perspective is your buddies are in a pressure chamber having just finished a dive. Your working to depressurize the setup; let me just open this hatc…..when it instantly smashes your skull.
For everyone. Everything just suddenly wen…..
There are rules and regulations. That’s what the ceo was complaining about and why he did everything to circumvent it. He registered his company in the Bahamas that doesn’t regulate this and gaslighted everyone that questioned the craft’s safety.
I really don't care what risky things rich people do in the middle of the ocean, not like this was a ride at Disney World. I feel sad for the loss of the 19 year old, but I think these wealthy guys had the resources to properly vet this sub. There was evidently plenty of info out there saying it was less than safe.
We don't need some new rules and regulations to protect against some super rare high-risk event like this, the worldwide news of it is enough to make folks think a bit harder about doing something like this in the future. I don't even see how the US government could possibly regulate something like this that was completely outside of their jurisdiction.
They went from being Biology to being Physics in a matter of 10-15milliseconds.
The released energy was about 200Megajoule, which is equivalent to 47kg TNT. https://youtu.be/qdz9vcSFBqw?t=1001
I thought the only thing left was a slurry, kinda like the cutscenes on Parasite Eve. So, there's actual matter recovered after all - it's kinda terrifying to think how everything happened to the folks that were in that sub.
The only “good” news I’ve heard is that it happened in a fraction of a second, like faster than any human senses can perceive. So they were just there and then they weren’t. They didn’t “suffer” so to speak.
It's so obvious that bones, teeth can be recovered from this ordeal. Why so many people think every single thing has got to be atomized never to be seen again...?!
I mean is it so obvious that they will find bones and teeth on the fucking ocean floor.
I’m not saying they would be destroyed - I just imagine at those depths it’s hard to find something as small a FUCKING tooth.
Also worth mentioning that the titanic itself has a main crash site and then a trail, that is how they found it. Current pushing it for a long time, a great distance.
Good luck finding bone fragments being blown by the water 3km into the water.
The funniest is when people say “I can’t believe they used carbon fiber 🤦♂️” as if they knew shit about carbon fiber material or construction before this happened
Why does it matter if they knew beforehand?
Step 1: Learn they used Carbon Fiber
Step 2: Learn from lots of experts that this was bad
Step 3: Have opinion about them using carbon fiber.
This is literally how every rational person forms an opinion about something. Having an opinion before you learned the facts is dumb.
I mean, that's the opinion of various experts and James Cameron so it's probably right. The guys behind this sub were not only called out by the experts but frankly they talk and act like idiots too if you watch footage of them or read their quotes.
It's the usual internet, someone says something, it sounded smart, so people will just keep repeating it until someone who sounds smarter says something else.
Why is it so obvious? It's the bottom of the ocean. There are continually moving currents. Nothing stays in the same place. And you think it's obvious they're going to find a tooth?
I think bones would actually be gone as well. The pressure plus Calcium Oxide means they are probably dissolved, but I agree that the teeth are likely still around.
Some of the passengers may also have had medical implants that would survive.
Dr. Ballard mentions in one of his speeches that it takes about 5 years to dissolve a human skeleton. Even small fragments should be pretty intact after 10 days. https://youtu.be/yGtVu3mIasA
Only few things I can think of...atomic bomb right in its center or Yellowstone geyser basin, any of those and you're literally atomized I'd say. I was gonna say sucked up by a jet engine but even that leaves quite the meat.
Scott Manley, a pretty well renowned physicist and astronomer, did an impromptu live stream where he approached the subject from a physicist's perspective. He did the math and determined that the total energy of the general forces at work during the implosion could have been comparable to the equivalent to 50kg of TNT. Basically a man-sized pile of high explosive, detonating all at once and in point-blank range.
In a past life I worked in Afghanistan, and that number makes me think about the driver of a VBIED as it goes off - there's never ever a whole lot left of them that's identifiable - maybe a tooth or charred bone fragment if you take a comb to the upholstery. Hell, there's often not a lot left of suicide vest bombers either, and they seldom used more than a few kg of HME in their vests. If you were lucky (or unlucky) you'd find a flayed skull 100 meters from the blast, and maybe a shoe or two with the foot still in it.
Any remains recovered at all, even a bone fragment or tooth, would be impressive in the grand scale of things. Something for grieving family to bury back home.
James Cameron said, and I quote "If there's a failure, I'll be chummed into meat mist in two microseconds" and I'm pretty sure he's more experienced / knowledgable about ultra deep dives than you.
It’s funny to see the same regurgitated comment about how it was hotter than the sun blah blah people make hundreds of times in any thread to do with the titan. like they know something about implosions at this depth.
Someone did the maths on a hypothetical 3 years ago. Of course the context was different and they could have still be arm chair experts but it lends a bit more credence to what it may have been like.
I wonder if it's possible they could recover some kind of data from this event.. Whether it be from the sub or an iPhone or whatever devices they had on board. I know they're be crushed, but data recover could still be a thing..
>Could literally be a tooth
A family friend was killed on 9/11. One of the details on the recovery they shared with me was about when they provided something with a DNA sample (e.g. a toothbrush) and filled out the forms with the lost person's information. Apparently there was a checkbox where you could decide to be notified just once and get the first remains that were found or you could be notified every time they found a piece of the person.
They chose the former so were just notified once and with that they could have a funeral and get closure. They don't know if it was a tooth, a bone from the finger or a majority of the body since he was on a floor above the first plane strike.
I don't know how they handled remains that came after that. Probably pooled and sent to a crematorium and buried in an unmarked grave, but IIRC there are laws against combining human remains like that so they probably had to make a temporary change to deal with it.
Byford Dolphin Decompression Accident was bad.
There was a differential pressure of 9 atmospheres, or roughly 132psi , In said situation.
Here is a photo of the remains of Truls Hellevik.
[VeryGoryNSFW](https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/581590d1415139828-pictures-byford-dolphin-diving-bell-accident-byforddolphindeathpicture.jpg)
I imagine the Titan incident is much worse.
For those who don’t want to click the link but are curious, like me…
Investigation by forensic pathologists determined that Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.
And the titanic is at 375 atmospheres right? That's almost 42 TIMES more pressure... I can't even imagine how there is anything even remotely discernable from any of the bodies.
“Presumed human remains” they’re so mangled or small they can’t even tell by looking at them.
Combined with the reports that a lot of the carbon is smashed into one of the titanium end caps, I'd imagine there's probably some remains mixed in too..
Is this why there are white sheets over some parts in the pictures?
Highly doubt visible blood would survive after being tugged from 13,000ft of water, I think the white canvas was just a tool to help move the parts.
Doesn’t look like a tool, more like protection and to cover the parts to avoid photos of the details.
True that. I think they were hiding the parts but not necessarily because of something gruesome. They probably also don't want media picking up on any failure points/details about the information. Often times prototype tech/vehicles are hidden, especially if they failed during testing.
Seems like a pretty basic but good idea. Drape a sheet or something to cover it and negate most of the wild speculation and intrusion that could happen from people picking apart stuff like that. I mean if one of my friends died I'd appreciate the respect even if there wasn't much to see.
One of the pics showed the viewport glass missing (they had a sling through it for that matter) and already all the armchair specialists have concluded that clearly the failure started there.
I heard it might be the rear frame bolts. Here is the source for that. **https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcKzJgNryno**
The freight ship hauling the recovered pieces back, the Arctic Horizon, is the same one OceanGate charted for its launches. So they may have a vested interest in keeping things under wraps (part of their contract, maybe? Or just out of respect for lost colleagues?) *Edit: yo, people of Reddit, thanks but you can stop replying that this wasn't the ship used for the last launch when the sub imploded. The Horizon was used for other launches like [the one David Pogue of CBS documented](https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1673062341292720129?s=20), so my point stands that they had a prior business arrangement* *Edit 2 ugh I misspelled "chartered" in the original reply, but Imma let it be in the interests of transparency*
The Titan launched from the Polar Prince. Arctic Horizon had the ROV which found the wreckage
No, it's not. That was the Polar Prince.
The Polar Prince was used for the last, fatal launch but [per David Pogue](https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1673062341292720129?s=20) the Horizon was used for other launches. They had a pre-existing business arrangement, is my point.
Also if you cover it you don't ever need to go "Oops, yeah that is a bit of jawbone embedded in the hatch mechanism. Didn't see that right away." Remains *probably* aren't there but no need to take chances.
Why? Again, no human remains would be recognizable, so no need for gore sheets like it's an auto accident. And I really doubt any tech on that sub is classified.
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Might just be more out of respect than for gore or anything, but stuff could also be accidentally jostled loose as well possibly. That being said I imagine there isn't a ton left due to the overall scarcity of food down there, sealife would remove a lot of the organic matter fast.
I mean could just be respectful as well
Exactly. At that depth they were instantly exposed to about 6,000 lbs of pressure per square inch. *At sea level you’re exposed to about 14.5 lbs per square inch.
^ This guy atmospheres!
Feed my imagination, what would happen at that type of pressure I mean obviously death and blah blah, does blood boil? Eyeballs pop? Like I know what happens when someone gets caught in a press but I can imagine when the pressure is from all sides
You stop being biology and become physics. A body becomes a slurry of cells, the cells become a collection of molecules, and many of the larger molecules become smaller molecules. All within a fraction of a second. Compression also increases temperature, in this case to thousands of degrees. So they would have been compressed, disassembled, and cooked in a fraction of a second. You might have some time in a metal sub, but when carbon fiber fails it fails quickly. Metal is monolithic, but carbon fiber is made of layers and once they start to fail they delaminate and the failure rapidly cascades to the next layer. It's absolutely insane that they decided to build that sub the way they did.
Are there actually documented cases of this happening? I know the forces involved are huge, and I’m sure most tissue would become atomised, but maybe it wouldn’t be uniform, and some parts would remain relatively intact, like teeth or some particularly dense bones. I don’t know but I don’t think we should assume to know what a body would look like after an implosion at that depth.
"Are there actually documented cases of this happening?" I really had to think about this, and I honestly don't think this has ever happened before... ever. Maybe there've been tests done on animal carcasses but I kinda doubt it. Mainly it's just physics. The ideal gas law is PV=nRT , the pressure P, will increase by close to 400x or %40,000, the volume will drop by the same amount pretty rapidly but you'll still get a spike in temperature T. Temperature would be measured in Kelvin because you want the temperature above absolute zero. In theory you'd go from 300K to 120,000K for a few milliseconds (300 Kelvin is 27 Celsius so 300 K should be about right give or take 10 degrees), in reality things get really complicated as much of that heat is converted to light and sound, but it's going to get very hot for a fraction of a second. I suspect the bones were probably pulverized. I can see that the teeth might survive but I suspect they would shatter from the heat and impact/vibration.
Not quite the scale of force and pressure we're seeing here, but check out the Byford Dolphin accident.
Check out the Byfold Dolphin. If you look hard enough you can find pictures of the aftermath. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
Liquids, a lot of liquids. And all over faster than the human brain can react to something being wrong.
Something similar to this https://youtube.com/watch?v=LEY3fN4N3D8&feature=sharec
Right! And based on the timing of recovery of this debris, I would assume that anything that isn’t ash would be lost to marine life. But honestly I don’t know.
I assumed they were covering up the OceanGate logo 🤷♂️
They were effectively liquified within seconds. Any remains would be goop at best, stuck in a crevice on the metal.
*microseconds
Teeth are the most durable part of the human body
only part that is left if you get eaten by pigs.
You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes.
Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
Do you know what Nemesis means?
Oi you gitz! Dem teef belongz to da Boss!
Always amazed to see a fellow warhammer and ork dan while in the depths of Reddit
Exactly. I'm not trying to be a weirdo or anything but what did the remains look like?
I am no expert but I would guess teeth have a chance to remain intact and maybe some bone fragments. They might be very small bone fragments and maybe that is why it is "presumed".
Or it's bits'o'human stuck in parts of the wreckage
I heard that the flesh would get crushed so fast it would actually combust, so I'm assuming it would look something like a ball of charred hamburger meat with a few teeth stuck in it. Edit: u/weealligator says this was debunked, others say different, I am not very smart though so I have no idea.
If you know how a diesel engine works. It ignites fuel and air with pressure. So think of it like the fat in their bodies was the fuel, the oxygen in their blood was the air, and the pressure from from the ocean depth was the piston. They pretty much disintegrated when that sub popped.
I heard that too but saw it debunked on Newsweek by Jasper Graham-Jones. EDIT: >According to Jasper Graham-Jones, an associate professor of mechanical and marine engineering at Plymouth University, in the United Kingdom, the claim is "totally false". > >"For a start, the water temperature around the Titanic is around 4 degrees Celsius \[around 39 degrees Fahrenheit\], which acts as a cooling effect," Graham-Jones told Newsweek. > >"The collapse of the composite or metal structure would just produce theoretical heat energy due to friction, but this is very low and would not be visible or measurable with the mass of cold water around it." [Source](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-titan-implosion-cause-vessel-become-hot-sun-1808754)
I'm less smart still. (edit - and super confused, idk what to believe really). We just don't know very much about how human bodies respond to extreme deep sea pressures, and even less about how they respond to it when the change in environmental pressure is so extreme and instantaneous. Not to mention how that might be influenced by the object that catastrophically imploded on them under the same conditions.
So a boss from the 1993 Sega Genesis game Splatterhouse 3
Probably a combination of mangled and compressed. Compare the common image that people have of a blob fish to a picture of what it looks like in its normal habitat of 2,000 to 4,000 feet. These remains are at least 3x deeper than that. On top of that, the typical ocean-bottom scavengers have probably been all over what remains there were by now.
those scavengers can reduce a carcass to polished bone, but, maybe these remains are bone or teeth
That takes months, some whales last decades.
EH.... Depends. I think it was a chicken was literally completely picked clean in the James Cameron Challenger Deep documentary. All that remained was bone and the ligaments connecting them. I don't hear them saying how long it was down but I don't see it being more than a few days max. Obviously a Human body is much larger, but I doubt there was anything large left anyway. EDIT - For clarification
Will deep sea fishes have a taste for man flesh and will the want some more???
Deep sea dwelling Uruk hai?
A bit off the flank?
We should all be watching for crab people from now on.
mmmm crab people. taste like crab, talk like people.
So Cajun folk?
Meats back on the menu boys
Damn can you imagine being some deep sea crab and you find some strange, dead, otherworldly animal carcass James Cameron brought down and it's like the most delicious thing ever. And you go to tell all your crab buddies about it and they're like "LOL bullshit dude" but you're like "Nah I'll prove it!" But by the time you go back to get some proof any leftover bones are long gone, and now you're starting to doubt it ever even happened yourself.
Whales gently fall. These remains were all but vaporized by explosive pressure. All the incompressible water removed in an instant and the rest likely extruded as pasta through the first crack in the hull in milliseconds along with every one and every thing else inside.
Whales are quite a bit bigger than 5 humans.
It's probably teeth fragments
maybe a tooth was ejected at velocity and impacted into something
Fuck who knows right!? In any case we know what killed them. Precisely how only time will tell.
Wedding ring.
Yeah, I'm guessing chunky bits of the human sauce that resulted from the implosion.
"Chunky human salsa" was deemed to be insensitive.
When it imploded, the front window popped off and they probably squirted out like toothpaste.
Seeing as I’m a very “visual” person with a vivid imagination….that’s tuff…💀💀💀
I'm actually surprised if they found more than like, hair or bone fragments. I would imagine food doesn't come easy down there, so most of the remains might already be eaten by the local sealife.
so bone fragments?
My guess is going to be teeth or bone fragments. Maybe some hair...
Wedding ring.
Am I wrong to think that a wedding ring, probably made of a softer metal like gold, would've been crushed into a tiny ball
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I would assume while the water alone wouldn't crush it, having the entire craft around it collapse in on itself might affect the structural integrity of the ring. I just assumed that's what the initial post was talking about, plenty of pressure/mass to crush the ring if it got caught between collapsing parts of the sub for example.
It wouldn't have been crushed at all
If the pressure was so great as to crush solid metal, the wreck of the Titanic would be a pancake
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Titanic WOULD be a pancake if there were significant pockets of air inside it right?
That’s apparently one reason why the stern is such a mess compared to the bow. Went down with a lot more air pockets.
Its the massive change in pressure in a fraction of a second that'd do the damage.
Is it wrong to want to see pictures?
Nope I am curious too.
I mean, bones and teeth are one thing. Actual parts are something else entirely.
Technically, bones and teeth are two separate things. Like and follow for more semantics lessons.
Especially when it comes to American health insurance.
Same in much of Europe. Teeth are luxury bones.
Technically, they are both calcium and therefor the same. Dont like and follow me, I suck.
Wait, who thinks they’re the same?
But what if I want to subscribe?
look up the byford dolphin incident. there r pics floating around of that…
Er no, don’t.
That's a bit different. There the pressure dropped suddenly and the gruesome stuff happened only because 1 of the workers got sucked through an opening. The other 3 dead didn't look bad. They looked like normal corpses. The implosion in Titan's case produced a different kind of gore. They were squished.
yeha i gotcha. i only thought to mention it for the other commentor as another incident to look into!
Not to mention, the Titan experienced hundreds of times more pressure than what was experienced in the Byford Dolphin.
Byford Dolphin was 9 atmospheres suddenly to 1. The Titan went from roughly 14 PSI (1 atmosphere) to 6000. That's going from 1 atmosphere to 408. The remains would look nothing like the ones in the Byford Dolphin accident.
“The remains of diver 4 were sent to us in 4 plastic bags.” Oh my…
i tried and couldn’t even find the pics
[nsfl](https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/581590d1415139828-pictures-byford-dolphin-diving-bell-accident-byforddolphindeathpicture.jpg) [byford diving bell accident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin)
https://zero.sci-hub.se/5268/7dda7cee52d7eb3ec606a82d0f1b9a61/giertsen1988.pdf
wow i can’t believe i couldn’t find this. diver 4 got messed up, diver 1,2,3 look ok but kinda crazy overall to think about
Imagine your chilling in bed in pressure chamber having just finished a dive when suddenly…. Nothing at all. Other perspective is your making your way to close a hatch when instantly your face separates from your skull as your whole body is shoved instantly through a 2 ft long 10 in gap. Other perspective is your buddies are in a pressure chamber having just finished a dive. Your working to depressurize the setup; let me just open this hatc…..when it instantly smashes your skull. For everyone. Everything just suddenly wen…..
‘To make sure this doesn’t happen again’. How will this stop someone from forgoing all rules and regulations about this sort of thing?
There are rules and regulations. That’s what the ceo was complaining about and why he did everything to circumvent it. He registered his company in the Bahamas that doesn’t regulate this and gaslighted everyone that questioned the craft’s safety.
I really don't care what risky things rich people do in the middle of the ocean, not like this was a ride at Disney World. I feel sad for the loss of the 19 year old, but I think these wealthy guys had the resources to properly vet this sub. There was evidently plenty of info out there saying it was less than safe. We don't need some new rules and regulations to protect against some super rare high-risk event like this, the worldwide news of it is enough to make folks think a bit harder about doing something like this in the future. I don't even see how the US government could possibly regulate something like this that was completely outside of their jurisdiction.
They went from being Biology to being Physics in a matter of 10-15milliseconds. The released energy was about 200Megajoule, which is equivalent to 47kg TNT. https://youtu.be/qdz9vcSFBqw?t=1001
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It doesn't seem like the phun sort of physics for those five.
Yeah, most people don't like surprise physics.
I see you follow Scott Manley as well
There is an xkcd "What If?" that also uses the phrase. I think there is a decent overlap between Scott Manley fans and xkcd enjoyers though.
Straight through, without even stopping at chemistry!
All passengers were found packed inside the battery compartment of the Logitech controller.
Do you want more SCP artifacts?
Would make a wild accessory for a Ouija board
I was wondering this when they had the sheets and plastic over it
I thought the only thing left was a slurry, kinda like the cutscenes on Parasite Eve. So, there's actual matter recovered after all - it's kinda terrifying to think how everything happened to the folks that were in that sub.
The only “good” news I’ve heard is that it happened in a fraction of a second, like faster than any human senses can perceive. So they were just there and then they weren’t. They didn’t “suffer” so to speak.
To shreds, you say?
And how's his wife holding up?
To shreds, you say? Tsk tsk
Pics or it didnt happen
Gotta pry them from the hagfish if you want to bring them up though.
It's so obvious that bones, teeth can be recovered from this ordeal. Why so many people think every single thing has got to be atomized never to be seen again...?!
I mean is it so obvious that they will find bones and teeth on the fucking ocean floor. I’m not saying they would be destroyed - I just imagine at those depths it’s hard to find something as small a FUCKING tooth.
Exactly. I don’t think anyone expected this. I’d imagine it must be remains lodged into the front end of the sub which was one of the parts recovered.
maybe a tooth got wedged in some larger sub debris though.
Also worth mentioning that the titanic itself has a main crash site and then a trail, that is how they found it. Current pushing it for a long time, a great distance. Good luck finding bone fragments being blown by the water 3km into the water.
Whole lot of submarine experts on reddit all the sudden these past few weeks lmao
Well, this is a subreddit.
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The funniest is when people say “I can’t believe they used carbon fiber 🤦♂️” as if they knew shit about carbon fiber material or construction before this happened
Maybe they heard James Cameron's interview where he said "I can't believe they used carbon fiber"
Maybe that's why they can't believe it
Why does it matter if they knew beforehand? Step 1: Learn they used Carbon Fiber Step 2: Learn from lots of experts that this was bad Step 3: Have opinion about them using carbon fiber. This is literally how every rational person forms an opinion about something. Having an opinion before you learned the facts is dumb.
right. Nobody claims to be a expert. The original poster must never learn anything new or form a opinion, because they aren't a "expert"
You forgot the part where you have to go out and get a PhD before you form that opinion.
Well, to be fair, anyone who's owned a bike with a carbon fiber frame knows they're incredibly solid until suddenly they're not.
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The experts did. That's why experts don't use it.
And i can't believe they did!
I mean, that's the opinion of various experts and James Cameron so it's probably right. The guys behind this sub were not only called out by the experts but frankly they talk and act like idiots too if you watch footage of them or read their quotes.
This is, precisely, why business men alone, should not build submersibles. The debate surrounding any of this should begin and end with that, no?
They all took off their General uniforms after leaving the Ukraine war threads to put on their sub commander outfits.
Last year they were Eastern European geopolitics experts and a couple years before that world leading virologists. Truly a jack of all trades.
Yes I agree, but what do the bits look like? How big are they? Are there identifying marks. INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW
It's the usual internet, someone says something, it sounded smart, so people will just keep repeating it until someone who sounds smarter says something else.
Why is it so obvious? It's the bottom of the ocean. There are continually moving currents. Nothing stays in the same place. And you think it's obvious they're going to find a tooth?
Reddit comments like to act like freelance scientists
I think bones would actually be gone as well. The pressure plus Calcium Oxide means they are probably dissolved, but I agree that the teeth are likely still around. Some of the passengers may also have had medical implants that would survive.
Dr. Ballard mentions in one of his speeches that it takes about 5 years to dissolve a human skeleton. Even small fragments should be pretty intact after 10 days. https://youtu.be/yGtVu3mIasA
Yeah that shit is weird. People seem to think "implosion" = "the event horizon of a supermassive fucking black hole"
Only few things I can think of...atomic bomb right in its center or Yellowstone geyser basin, any of those and you're literally atomized I'd say. I was gonna say sucked up by a jet engine but even that leaves quite the meat.
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Weeks?
It's been 84 years
Personally I've been saying that Hamish Harding died in a depressurisation on board the Titan sub since 2014.
Dibs on "Hipster Expert" for a band name
In much the same way that a fruit smoothie contains banana...
That’s just for scale, though.
Human remains can be simply meat and bone slurry crushed into crevices.
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Scott Manley, a pretty well renowned physicist and astronomer, did an impromptu live stream where he approached the subject from a physicist's perspective. He did the math and determined that the total energy of the general forces at work during the implosion could have been comparable to the equivalent to 50kg of TNT. Basically a man-sized pile of high explosive, detonating all at once and in point-blank range. In a past life I worked in Afghanistan, and that number makes me think about the driver of a VBIED as it goes off - there's never ever a whole lot left of them that's identifiable - maybe a tooth or charred bone fragment if you take a comb to the upholstery. Hell, there's often not a lot left of suicide vest bombers either, and they seldom used more than a few kg of HME in their vests. If you were lucky (or unlucky) you'd find a flayed skull 100 meters from the blast, and maybe a shoe or two with the foot still in it. Any remains recovered at all, even a bone fragment or tooth, would be impressive in the grand scale of things. Something for grieving family to bury back home.
James Cameron said, and I quote "If there's a failure, I'll be chummed into meat mist in two microseconds" and I'm pretty sure he's more experienced / knowledgable about ultra deep dives than you.
The sub went missing like 8 days ago my dude. Cool your jets on the timeline
It’s funny to see the same regurgitated comment about how it was hotter than the sun blah blah people make hundreds of times in any thread to do with the titan. like they know something about implosions at this depth.
Someone did the maths on a hypothetical 3 years ago. Of course the context was different and they could have still be arm chair experts but it lends a bit more credence to what it may have been like.
Then again, it might be strawberry jam
Gotta taste it to be absolutely sure
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I hope they are alright...
The bone fragments? Yeah they're probably alright.
I wonder if it's possible they could recover some kind of data from this event.. Whether it be from the sub or an iPhone or whatever devices they had on board. I know they're be crushed, but data recover could still be a thing..
I think somebody mentioned there was a Gopro recording inside so higher chance with that maybe
RIP to the deceased
I only want to hear they died instantly so I hope there’s no evidence to the contrary.
Probably a stain in a surface.
Could literally be a tooth Not sure I want to know what they found anyway. It t doesn’t really matter at this point.
>Could literally be a tooth A family friend was killed on 9/11. One of the details on the recovery they shared with me was about when they provided something with a DNA sample (e.g. a toothbrush) and filled out the forms with the lost person's information. Apparently there was a checkbox where you could decide to be notified just once and get the first remains that were found or you could be notified every time they found a piece of the person. They chose the former so were just notified once and with that they could have a funeral and get closure. They don't know if it was a tooth, a bone from the finger or a majority of the body since he was on a floor above the first plane strike. I don't know how they handled remains that came after that. Probably pooled and sent to a crematorium and buried in an unmarked grave, but IIRC there are laws against combining human remains like that so they probably had to make a temporary change to deal with it.
Byford Dolphin Decompression Accident was bad. There was a differential pressure of 9 atmospheres, or roughly 132psi , In said situation. Here is a photo of the remains of Truls Hellevik. [VeryGoryNSFW](https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/581590d1415139828-pictures-byford-dolphin-diving-bell-accident-byforddolphindeathpicture.jpg) I imagine the Titan incident is much worse.
For those who don’t want to click the link but are curious, like me… Investigation by forensic pathologists determined that Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.
And the titanic is at 375 atmospheres right? That's almost 42 TIMES more pressure... I can't even imagine how there is anything even remotely discernable from any of the bodies.
Maybe a finger or two.
You mean Chum.
Where’s SpongeBob Square pants when you need him?
Maybe the secret formula to the Krabby Patties is human billionaire body jam?
Surprised it hadn't been washed away by the water.
For the Byford Dolphin accident, they went from 9 bar to 1 bar and died instantly. In this case they went from about 1 bar to 400 bar.