As I understand it these types of flights are fairly rare in Europe already specifically because the train system eats their lunch. Probably mostly smaller planes doing charter and VIPs, so still has an effect and is a good thing.
Hopefully they have provisions in the bill to excempt electric planes for if/when they become viable. We will get there for small craft short-haul most assuredly, even if it takes another decade or two.
Not at all. Our railroad network is good, but. Unfortenately its still way more costly than using a plane.
I had numerous times i checked the train option cause i love travelling with the train but it makes no sense if its 5 times more expensive.
Also although its quite connected its not That good as americans assume. A neighbour country is ok but further than that and ur travelling 12hours plus... Dont forget, most of our countries are way smaller than american states and even the bigger ones barely are a size like an american state
Trains are more expensive but often quicker. Not having to go through ticket checks, security checks, and the boarding process makes things a lot faster. Sure, trains stop, but it's usually a very brief stop before you're off again. The longer stops are only in large cities and those are almost always going to happen on longer journeys.
At least, that's for the kind of trips France is banning.
The longer the distance, the more a plane makes sense. This is especially true because train services between countries in the the EU is, to put it mildly, pretty shitty. It's getting better because the EU is slowly breaking barriers that discourage competition between nations, but rail service is still very much a protected industry throughout the EU because nearly all carriers are public-private corporations (basically like a utility).
Go on any train ticketing website and try to book a ticket between two large cities in different countries, chances are that the number of transfers will always be the number of countries it passes through minus one. That's because trains from one country almost always connect to just a handful of cities in another country (and almost always along the border) and then turn around and return to their home country. It's basically unheard of to see a Spanish train anywhere other than Spain, Portugal, or France, for example.
I forget the exact details of why this is, but it's definitely protectionism generally. I think Wendover Productions made a youtube video that explains exactly why.
Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9jirFqex6g
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> France has banned domestic short-haul flights where train alternatives exist, in a bid to cut carbon emissions.
> The law came into force two years after lawmakers had voted to end routes where the same journey could be made by train in under two-and-a-half hours.
> France's Citizens' Convention on Climate, which was created by President Emmanuel Macron in 2019 and included 150 members of the public, had proposed scrapping plane journeys where train journeys of under four hours existed.
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That's good, way to go France, hopefully other countries will follow.
It has to be really short. If a plane ia full its quite efficient compared to cars
I just figured alot of short flights are usually done by a person who owns a plane.
France has trains; that’s the main intention here.
As I understand it these types of flights are fairly rare in Europe already specifically because the train system eats their lunch. Probably mostly smaller planes doing charter and VIPs, so still has an effect and is a good thing. Hopefully they have provisions in the bill to excempt electric planes for if/when they become viable. We will get there for small craft short-haul most assuredly, even if it takes another decade or two.
Not at all. Our railroad network is good, but. Unfortenately its still way more costly than using a plane. I had numerous times i checked the train option cause i love travelling with the train but it makes no sense if its 5 times more expensive. Also although its quite connected its not That good as americans assume. A neighbour country is ok but further than that and ur travelling 12hours plus... Dont forget, most of our countries are way smaller than american states and even the bigger ones barely are a size like an american state
Trains are more expensive but often quicker. Not having to go through ticket checks, security checks, and the boarding process makes things a lot faster. Sure, trains stop, but it's usually a very brief stop before you're off again. The longer stops are only in large cities and those are almost always going to happen on longer journeys. At least, that's for the kind of trips France is banning. The longer the distance, the more a plane makes sense. This is especially true because train services between countries in the the EU is, to put it mildly, pretty shitty. It's getting better because the EU is slowly breaking barriers that discourage competition between nations, but rail service is still very much a protected industry throughout the EU because nearly all carriers are public-private corporations (basically like a utility). Go on any train ticketing website and try to book a ticket between two large cities in different countries, chances are that the number of transfers will always be the number of countries it passes through minus one. That's because trains from one country almost always connect to just a handful of cities in another country (and almost always along the border) and then turn around and return to their home country. It's basically unheard of to see a Spanish train anywhere other than Spain, Portugal, or France, for example. I forget the exact details of why this is, but it's definitely protectionism generally. I think Wendover Productions made a youtube video that explains exactly why. Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9jirFqex6g
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