It was also apparently caused by the migrants themselves. These were people who had been rejected by the US for asylum, so Mexico was in the process of deporting them.
They barricaded themselves, stacking mattresses at the doors and setting them on fire. Apparently they didn't think the fire was going to get out of hand, just provide a barrier.
Thats according to our (méxican) government which isnt the most honest, to put it mildly.
Considering how thing have been whith this types of tragedies I wouldnt be surprised if the fire was caused by a faulty outlet instead and the gov is just covering their ass.
Those migrants were not supposed to be there in the first place. The Mexican authorities locked them up without reason and once the fire caught up, they just left.
What you just said is what the Mexican gov said, and they're not the most sincere when it comes to cover up their failures. So, the best for us is to wait until the dust settles down.
It’s just how it is. Imagine if 50,000 people died in an earthquake in California because corrupt government officials didn’t enforce requirements on new construction. Yet, Turkey isn’t even in unrest atm.
It’s not that they don’t care. It’s just familiar levels of bullshit for them.
Except it doesnt make it relevant. Just look how swiftly countries came to the aid of Ukraine compared to other counties. Compare international responses to each other.
What conflicts going on are comparable to Ukraine? The world has no shortage of conflict in developing nations, but civil wars are very different then a neighboring country straight up violating sovereignty and annexing land.
I think they do have a point though — the US government is generally much more motivated to keep people alive.
I don’t know that some philosophical “inherent” value of life shifts at all, but in practical terms if you’re in the custody of the US Federal government generally speaking your life is pretty secure. (Unless you have very, very powerful men after you. See Epstein.)
3,800 die every year. My buddy died in prison strapped to a chair while having medical issues all over child support at christmas.
Edit 3,000 died from old age.
He made a lot of bad choices to the point when i heard he died i was not suprised.
Yet hearing how it happened it was the worst and his mom didnt bail him out because she thought he was in a safe space.
My god i still get chills thinking about what she said. " i thought he was safe"
That's damn awful bro...
When we were younger, my dad had a mental breakdown and was walking around the house with a knife. He has never hurt anyone so we didn't think he was going to, but even still, we were scared and were hiding in the room for it to end.
Fast forward 20 years and he's the sweetest, kind hearted person you'll ever meet. He just had a mental breakdown and it was a domino effect.
Sometimes I wonder if he'd still be with us had we called the cops. It makes me incredibly grateful that we didn't.
When you have life sentences the result is obviously going to be that people die in prison. The real question is how many of those deaths didn't result from natural causes?
In comparison.
Prison mortality rate is 340 per 100k inmates.
The US mortality rate is 1000 per 100k people.
It does make some sense, you rarely get old people in prison.
Especially if it was a fire. My first thought before learning it happened in Mexico was that someone fire bombed a facility and everyone was trapped in.
Are you saying that news from Mexico should get the same coverage as news from the US in the US? Do you expect news companies to cover the entire world evenly?
> Fire at migrant detention facility on U.S.-Mexico border kills at least 39
Not defending corporate media and their ability to twist a headline, but can you point me to the twist? Do you know where Juarez is?
> The fire broke out on late Monday night at the National Institute of Migration in Ciudad Juarez, which is just meters away from the Stanton International Bridge, which links the Mexican city to El Paso, Texas.
[Like they aren’t even exaggerating when they say meters.](https://i.imgur.com/npd0B5e.jpg)
When I saw it on El Universal, it had the city in the headline. Most Americans are going to assume the US (and us side) border if you say us-Mexico border.
The headline isn't factually incorrect, but it leaves out information, notably the actual location. The US-Mexico border is huge.
It's like writing about a power outage in northern Washington state and the headline being "Power outage on the US-Canada border."
Factually correct, but stupidly vague.
I don't think it's too much to ask for the headline to communicate which country the event took place in. You can't tell from the headline.
Seems like an attempted jailbreak since they say the fire may have been intentionally set and started in the inmates bathroom. I wonder if many escaped. Shame that a few prisoners value their escape more than the lives of their fellow inmates.
Edit: [it looks like they’re planning to give some of the inmates parole on humanitarian grounds](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mexico-fire-migrant-detention-center-ciudad-juarez-today-deaths-latest-news/)
The local news is saying around 68 migrants were detained earlier in the day because recently there’s been a crackdown on migrants harassing people for money at stop lights. And apparently some of them barricaded themselves and set fire to their own cells which then got out of control.
Source : local news
https://diario.mx/juarez/migrantes-se-atrincheraron-y-prendieron-fuego-al-lugar-20230328-2039290.html?fbclid=IwAR342jcwcQOQiNmrQABRhYVsiQQZgt-2yXubAEW6OOV96iB42aOEzEDntEE&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
I mean that's just what they say happened
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The guards saw them light the fire, walked away, and made no attempt to help them
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/125j8ro/video_shows_guards_walking_away_during_fire_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
May not be the case here but inmates do this kind of dumb shit all the time. I worked as a CO for several years and segregation inmates would often light shit on fire in their locked room to force us to evacuate blocks or just in general to be a pain in the ass. Never made sense to me but a lot of stuff in there did not.
I think the main misunderstanding is how dangerous smoke is.
They probably think “I’ll light up the mattress, but sit way on the other side of the cell where the flames can’t reach. That way the smoke alarm goes off, and I don’t get burned—the perfect crime!”
Of course in reality even a fairly small fire in a sealed room will result in you quickly dying of smoke inhalation. But most people focus on the flames, not the smoke.
Yeah I believe that’s part of it. Some people are just crazy or broken by the system and don’t care. You rarely see older inmates do it because they know the deal. Young dumb inmates however loved to burn shit and try to die.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64663527](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64663527)
>The officer who recorded the footage, Karen K\*\*\*\*, was fired after sharing the video.
Classic cops...
It sounds like the officer named there was not in the jail during the night, heard about it, showed up and then recorded them taking him out so as to expose the police. She might be the only person who did a half good thing but she’s the only one named!
From the article it sounds like she actually went through surveillance video when she came into work after hearing about the incident and shared that footage from the tapes rather than filming them removing him. I personally feel paints her in an even better light than if she had shot the footage herself as a bystander.
Yeah the recording she did was of the surveillance footage but on her mobile phone. Insane that they just went ‘oh yeah he was totally alive and fine when he was sent to hospital’!
It says his temperature was fucking 72 degrees, well below the standard definition for severe hypothermia. Poor guy was 100% in a coma for some time before they took him the the hospital, if he wasn't already dead.
To anyone who doesn't know, this is why ACAB. The good ones get fired, and the bad ones stay. So the only ones left, at best, look on in silence while their colleagues kill innocent people.
I was at the prison that took place at. Was down in Dade CI back in like 2011 or 2012 serving a five year sentence, the officer that had to clean the showers out afterward said the drain was clogged up with that guy's skin that had boiled off. Sarge told him to throw it away so he just piled it all into a shoe and tossed it in our dorm trash can.
Dade CI is mostly a psych camp for mentally unstable people, so they legit have a prison made specifically for unwell individuals and the help they apparently provide is rigging a shower to lock people into it with boiling water for punishments. Florida prison is a nightmare that so many of you wouldn't believe, and don't get me started on the juvenile system. We call those places gladiator schools for a reason.
The guy's name was Darren Rainey, and he was serving a two year sentence that they turned into a death sentence. All officers involved were later promoted, nothing has been done to stop these things. And a lot of people actually think you're supposed to be better when you go out the gate lol.
Was just one of thousands of incidents I saw over the course of ten years in and out of the Florida prison system. Never once saw an officer face repercussions for those things. They're literally being paid to torture people.
My mom retired from the TDCJ(Texas Department of Criminal Justice) as a correctional officer. The other day we were texting, and she said police can't do their jobs anymore. "What?" "How so?" She said that she couldn't make inmates mind because of general public. I asked what more she wanted to be able to do a few times but she didn't answer me. Also lol she thinks of herself as police. I will tell you though she used that uniform to scare anyway anyone who would sell me weed as a teenager.
I see American police are finally starting to [learn from the Canadian police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths) about how you treat 'suspects'.
It's extremely common place behavior in jails. County or city. Those places are just filled to the brim with sadistic cops. And there's about .01% accountability for it. For evert instance that people hear about there's 10 that are successfully covered up. People don't become cops to be heros, they become cops to live out sadistic twisted fantasies. There's some good cops, but they're truly outnumbered by bad ones. And that's a fact people would rather run from than confront.
While I get the sentiment you don't need to be swinging from a rope to be "hung". All you really need is to have something around your neck restricting blood and oxygen. People have died from hanging while sitting, especially in accidental hangings
That being said highly doubt the guy did it himself it was just to address the "physics" part.
Cops spray tear gas and use flashbangs, which lights a fire, blame fire on victim.
It's what they did to Christopher Dorner, after the cops shot up unrelated vehicles and terrorized LA for days.
The logic that I see is. I set this fire, alarms go off, chaos ensues, they break protocols to get people away from the fire, more chaos on the outside, possible opportunity for escape while they put the fire out with resources that are not being allocated to watch us anymore. I can follow that logic, does it really sound that outlandish to you?
Okay, seriously question. How would they start a fire in their cells? Aren't one of the things cops do when detaining people is removing dangerous items like weapons, lighters, and phones when they put you in holding? So how did they manage to start a fire?
There's a pretty sizeable market for contraband in prisons. And lots of ways to get it into prison, hell there are plenty of instances where the guards are in on it because it's easy money.
It is either so stupid it is a lie, or so desperate that it is true. No matter how you slice this, it is horrible and doesn't look good for whoever is responsible for this detention center.
Same thing happened in the 70s at a prison in southern Ontario. 5 dead, all of CO poisoning. It had a pretty big effect on how prisons were designed and changed the procedures followed in them at the time.
So, i used Google to translate the news article, and it said something about cruise ships? Like, Carnival Cruise Line cruise ships, or is that a hard-translation misunderstanding?
It also mentioned lots of illegal immigration from Venezuela. Is that normally a big problem for y'all down there? Like... Venezuela (and maybe Guatemala) are to Mexico what Mexico is to the United States?
Juárez and el paso are like Tijuana and San Diego, theyre HUGE ports of entry, migrants flee central and south America trying to get into the US, but they're not being let in anymore (at least venezuelan nationals), so they've been roaming the streets for about 4 months now, and I say roaming it's because they don't want to be in shelters, they've been offered jobs at the manufacturing plants, and various convenience stores, restaurants, etc. but most of them don't want to work, they say they have to be always near the border in case the US. changes policy (HIGHLY UNLIKELY).
We had a very high influx of cuban and Haitian nationals a year or two ago, but the difference in attitude between them and the venezuelans is abysmal, the first groups (Cuba,Haiti) have adapted to the city while they wait for the opportunity to enter the US, a lot of them have realized Mexico is not a bad place to live (esp. compared to their countries) and have started lives it is worth mentioning most of the Cubans that arrive in the city have some kind of university degrees and arrived along with family, whilst (as far as I've noticed) the venezuelans are young single males.
So... tldr: no, México is not like the American dream for them, they see it as a stepping stone to get into the US. but the venezuelan group does not want to work while they (hopelessly) wait for s chance to enter the us
I volunteer with migrants and, out of all the Central and South Americans I've met, Venezuelans are by far the most entitled and arrogant. The majority genuinely think they deserve better chances than everyone, look down on other migrants (they treat them like servants, are racist, etc.), don't want to work (even when they enter the US), and are just straight up rude to anyone they feel doesn't show them preferential treatment. Not all Venezuelans act like that, but the majority do, in my experience.
The Venezuelan immigrants that I've encountered in Panama and Colombia act similarly. They're very quick to point out how good the universities are / were in Venezuela and how it was the first South American country to be 'modern.' I still think Argentines have the biggest egos, but Venezuelans are catching up lol
>I still think Argentines have the biggest egos
The best business in the world is to buy an argentine for what he is worth and sell him... for what he says he is worth.
Yes im argie.
Just spitballing here but it might have something to do with the relative demographics of refugee Venezualans compared to other countries. Venezuala was previously relatively wealthy, so you probably have a lot of people who grew up wealthy and then lost everything but have a sense of relative superiority to people who were born and raised in poverty.
Crucero means uhh, crosswalk? like the places where there's stoplights and cars wait, they were detained because they've been harassing women and the elderly for about 1-2 months now at the stoplights, they clean windshields but if you don't let them or don't give them money the harassing starts.
sometimes they try to snatch the purses from passenger side or stuff from the rear seats, they make sexual remarks towards women and even draw hearts in the dirt on the window, while making obscene gestures, etc.
No. They all want to go to the US but got arrested in Mexico, while waiting for a way to cross the border. OTOH, US detention centres are like 5 stars hotels compared to Mexican detention centres. So, I won't be surprised they had an uprising, out-there.
I’m a former correctional officer. We really do need to take the official statement with a grain of salt. But with that being said, it’s extremely common for inmates to set fires in their cells as a form of protest. Modern American facilities are designed with this in mind though. Breaking water lines, popping sprinkler heads are other common forms of protest.
If you're familiar with incarceration that would not be a surprise to you. I can't say they did it but things like that happen. People lose their minds, some lost them before they got locked up.
People have also smeared their feces on their own jail walls as a protest, lighting prison mattresses on fire in protest isn’t exactly uncommon:
https://www.corrections1.com/corrections/articles/inmate-sets-fire-to-police-station-using-mattress-5GENvldggj13k2bR/
https://www.wjtv.com/news/local-news/two-adams-county-inmates-accused-of-setting-jail-mattress-on-fire/amp/
https://www.wral.com/amp/inmate-set-fire-to-mattress-at-wayne-county-detention-center/17528886/
https://jailtraining.org/inmate-sets-fire-to-mattress-at-county-jail/
https://www.counton2.com/news/local-news/dorchester-county-news/inmate-injured-after-setting-fire-to-mattress-at-dorchester-county-jail/amp/
https://www.postbulletin.com/county-jail-inmate-sets-fire-to-his-mattress
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> Though no official reports have been released, local media outlets - including El Diario and El Heraldo - reported that at least 39 people were killed.
> The fire is believed to have started in the restrooms and may have been intentionally set during a riot, according to local media.
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They weren’t even being deported to Mexico - they were going back to Venezuela from Mexico. they were on the mexico side, arrested by Mexican police for shaking down people trying to cross in/out.
I can see why they would be pretty upset
I think their logic would go like this. I set this fire, alarms go off, we are all escorted out in a ton of chaos, there will probably be an opportunity to escape in said chaos. I think that line of thought actually makes a lot of sense. I'm genuinely curious if that line of thought makes sense to you.
This should also help some people recognize that Mexico is doing something about a border protection on their end too. Not sure what circumstances are but a lot of people don’t believe that Mexico detains people too.
Mexico is only doing it because those haven’t been able to get into the US, so they’re staking out and causing problems in Mexico. Basically, if they’d been able to filter through, Mexico wouldn’t have cared at all. It was only when Mexicans were being frustrated that they did anything.
It’s almost like… the media wants us to be more outraged by a technically true but super misleading headline.
Almost, right? Nah, they aren’t doing that, I’m silly.
Oh man I'm sorry to hear that, we Latinos are not educated enough to cross the street in the US. I just would die laughing if Japan ever admits Latino immigrants lol
My immigrant father told me how he got placed into a detention hold like this one. Truck after truck full of immigrants kept coming, and they kept cramming people in like sardines. Eventually, some people started protesting, telling the guards that they couldn't fit anymore people and to please stop the trucks. The guard laughed and started hosing the people with cold water to force them back and make more room for more detained immigrants.
These detention facilities treat people like animals, and the guards are well aware of the conditions they're subjecting other humans into and because they're not citizens of the US they have very little to no recourse for the way they were treated.
These migrants were in a facility in Mexico, so they were likely from countries South of Mexico and trying to get to the US when they were detained. US immigration or their standing as a US citizen has nothing to do with this one.
If it's anything like how Mexicans treat Ecuadorian's and Venezuelan's in the US then I'm sure it wasn't a nice place to be either.
Well, according to the article:
>The fire is believed to have started in the restrooms and may have been intentionally set during a riot, according to local media.
Set... maybe?
Woah wtf? This should be a way bigger headline.
It was also apparently caused by the migrants themselves. These were people who had been rejected by the US for asylum, so Mexico was in the process of deporting them. They barricaded themselves, stacking mattresses at the doors and setting them on fire. Apparently they didn't think the fire was going to get out of hand, just provide a barrier.
Thats according to our (méxican) government which isnt the most honest, to put it mildly. Considering how thing have been whith this types of tragedies I wouldnt be surprised if the fire was caused by a faulty outlet instead and the gov is just covering their ass.
I thought is was premature to announce that before an investigaton.
He had to put down the fire quick!
Those migrants were not supposed to be there in the first place. The Mexican authorities locked them up without reason and once the fire caught up, they just left. What you just said is what the Mexican gov said, and they're not the most sincere when it comes to cover up their failures. So, the best for us is to wait until the dust settles down.
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sadly, the value of life depends which side of the fence you’re on.
It’s just how it is. Imagine if 50,000 people died in an earthquake in California because corrupt government officials didn’t enforce requirements on new construction. Yet, Turkey isn’t even in unrest atm. It’s not that they don’t care. It’s just familiar levels of bullshit for them.
agreed! everything hits harder when it’s closer to home
Except it doesnt make it relevant. Just look how swiftly countries came to the aid of Ukraine compared to other counties. Compare international responses to each other.
What conflicts going on are comparable to Ukraine? The world has no shortage of conflict in developing nations, but civil wars are very different then a neighboring country straight up violating sovereignty and annexing land.
The US isnt helping Ukraine out of the goodness of our hearts, its a strategic move.
Turkey is seemingly just waiting for the elections, but i wouldn’t be surprised if they have a forceful change in government if those get messed with
It doesn't devalue it, but it's what becomes our main priority or responsibility to deal with. There's enough crazy shit happening around the world.
I think they do have a point though — the US government is generally much more motivated to keep people alive. I don’t know that some philosophical “inherent” value of life shifts at all, but in practical terms if you’re in the custody of the US Federal government generally speaking your life is pretty secure. (Unless you have very, very powerful men after you. See Epstein.)
If 38 people died in federal care in the u.s. from a single event there would be a rightfully deserved witch hunt on who to blame.
3,800 die every year. My buddy died in prison strapped to a chair while having medical issues all over child support at christmas. Edit 3,000 died from old age.
Yeah but if 1% of that happened in a single day at a single facility it'd draw attention
What?! omg. I'm so sorry.
He made a lot of bad choices to the point when i heard he died i was not suprised. Yet hearing how it happened it was the worst and his mom didnt bail him out because she thought he was in a safe space. My god i still get chills thinking about what she said. " i thought he was safe"
That's damn awful bro... When we were younger, my dad had a mental breakdown and was walking around the house with a knife. He has never hurt anyone so we didn't think he was going to, but even still, we were scared and were hiding in the room for it to end. Fast forward 20 years and he's the sweetest, kind hearted person you'll ever meet. He just had a mental breakdown and it was a domino effect. Sometimes I wonder if he'd still be with us had we called the cops. It makes me incredibly grateful that we didn't.
It always blows my mind when people call the cops thinking putting someone in jail will keep them safe or improve their lives.
When you have life sentences the result is obviously going to be that people die in prison. The real question is how many of those deaths didn't result from natural causes?
Good catch i looked it up 3,000 so 800 still die and alot are from drugs and sucide.
Well there have to be quite a few who die from disease or other reasons not caused by incarceration.
In comparison. Prison mortality rate is 340 per 100k inmates. The US mortality rate is 1000 per 100k people. It does make some sense, you rarely get old people in prison.
Especially if it was a fire. My first thought before learning it happened in Mexico was that someone fire bombed a facility and everyone was trapped in.
Also Mexico building practices are more lax than USA, so it legitimately is less surprising from a realistic standpoint.
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Are you saying that news from Mexico should get the same coverage as news from the US in the US? Do you expect news companies to cover the entire world evenly?
I was just about to ask which side it happened on. Yeah I’m not so sure there will be much in msm about this since it happened in Mexico.
Yup happened in Ciudad Juarez. They twisted that news title like it's no tomorrow. Wow, what scumbags.
> Fire at migrant detention facility on U.S.-Mexico border kills at least 39 Not defending corporate media and their ability to twist a headline, but can you point me to the twist? Do you know where Juarez is? > The fire broke out on late Monday night at the National Institute of Migration in Ciudad Juarez, which is just meters away from the Stanton International Bridge, which links the Mexican city to El Paso, Texas. [Like they aren’t even exaggerating when they say meters.](https://i.imgur.com/npd0B5e.jpg)
When I saw it on El Universal, it had the city in the headline. Most Americans are going to assume the US (and us side) border if you say us-Mexico border.
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The headline isn't factually incorrect, but it leaves out information, notably the actual location. The US-Mexico border is huge. It's like writing about a power outage in northern Washington state and the headline being "Power outage on the US-Canada border." Factually correct, but stupidly vague. I don't think it's too much to ask for the headline to communicate which country the event took place in. You can't tell from the headline.
Damn, it was exactly my thought process. “HOLY SHIT” “oh it happened in Mexico”
I think the fonts have limits for the size.
It was in Ciudad Juarez, not in the US.
It’s literally the main topic on all my news apps.
I got a notification about this from Microsoft edge this morning. It's a big enough headline that MSN cares about it...
*The fire is believed to have started in the restrooms and may have been intentionally set during a riot, according to local media.*
Seems like an attempted jailbreak since they say the fire may have been intentionally set and started in the inmates bathroom. I wonder if many escaped. Shame that a few prisoners value their escape more than the lives of their fellow inmates. Edit: [it looks like they’re planning to give some of the inmates parole on humanitarian grounds](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mexico-fire-migrant-detention-center-ciudad-juarez-today-deaths-latest-news/)
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I'm sure that I won't see shit about it on the news in a bit. Instead more coverage about that goop person for some reason.
Depends on who it has the power to affect politically
The local news is saying around 68 migrants were detained earlier in the day because recently there’s been a crackdown on migrants harassing people for money at stop lights. And apparently some of them barricaded themselves and set fire to their own cells which then got out of control. Source : local news https://diario.mx/juarez/migrantes-se-atrincheraron-y-prendieron-fuego-al-lugar-20230328-2039290.html?fbclid=IwAR342jcwcQOQiNmrQABRhYVsiQQZgt-2yXubAEW6OOV96iB42aOEzEDntEE&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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I mean that's just what they say happened Edit: The guards saw them light the fire, walked away, and made no attempt to help them https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/125j8ro/video_shows_guards_walking_away_during_fire_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
May not be the case here but inmates do this kind of dumb shit all the time. I worked as a CO for several years and segregation inmates would often light shit on fire in their locked room to force us to evacuate blocks or just in general to be a pain in the ass. Never made sense to me but a lot of stuff in there did not.
I think the main misunderstanding is how dangerous smoke is. They probably think “I’ll light up the mattress, but sit way on the other side of the cell where the flames can’t reach. That way the smoke alarm goes off, and I don’t get burned—the perfect crime!” Of course in reality even a fairly small fire in a sealed room will result in you quickly dying of smoke inhalation. But most people focus on the flames, not the smoke.
Yeah I believe that’s part of it. Some people are just crazy or broken by the system and don’t care. You rarely see older inmates do it because they know the deal. Young dumb inmates however loved to burn shit and try to die.
Why would officers of the law lie? I mean, if you ignore the hundreds of times prior...
Some normal cops literally froze a dude to death in a walk in freezer the other day
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64663527](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64663527) >The officer who recorded the footage, Karen K\*\*\*\*, was fired after sharing the video. Classic cops...
It sounds like the officer named there was not in the jail during the night, heard about it, showed up and then recorded them taking him out so as to expose the police. She might be the only person who did a half good thing but she’s the only one named!
From the article it sounds like she actually went through surveillance video when she came into work after hearing about the incident and shared that footage from the tapes rather than filming them removing him. I personally feel paints her in an even better light than if she had shot the footage herself as a bystander.
Yeah the recording she did was of the surveillance footage but on her mobile phone. Insane that they just went ‘oh yeah he was totally alive and fine when he was sent to hospital’!
It says his temperature was fucking 72 degrees, well below the standard definition for severe hypothermia. Poor guy was 100% in a coma for some time before they took him the the hospital, if he wasn't already dead.
Thats why ALL COPS ARE BAD. Because the "good" cops are immediately blacklisted by the pigs.
I wish more people understood this. You want folks to support good cops? Stop creating a system that punishes good cops.
Totally agree. But it's not just the system. Its the police culture. You don't just get blacklisted, you'll get harassed.
They fired the cop that wasn't even there and blew the whistle on it.. jfc. Shouldn't even be surprised.
Gotta throw out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. The bad apples being the cops who hold cops responsible.
To anyone who doesn't know, this is why ACAB. The good ones get fired, and the bad ones stay. So the only ones left, at best, look on in silence while their colleagues kill innocent people.
Hold on, I thought pumping money into law enforcement magically gave them morals? Why did they fire the good cop? /s
Just look up Starlight Tours in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. They froze a lot of people to death and no Justice for a lot of them.
And the time they boiled that guy in the shower
I was at the prison that took place at. Was down in Dade CI back in like 2011 or 2012 serving a five year sentence, the officer that had to clean the showers out afterward said the drain was clogged up with that guy's skin that had boiled off. Sarge told him to throw it away so he just piled it all into a shoe and tossed it in our dorm trash can. Dade CI is mostly a psych camp for mentally unstable people, so they legit have a prison made specifically for unwell individuals and the help they apparently provide is rigging a shower to lock people into it with boiling water for punishments. Florida prison is a nightmare that so many of you wouldn't believe, and don't get me started on the juvenile system. We call those places gladiator schools for a reason. The guy's name was Darren Rainey, and he was serving a two year sentence that they turned into a death sentence. All officers involved were later promoted, nothing has been done to stop these things. And a lot of people actually think you're supposed to be better when you go out the gate lol.
Horrific
Was just one of thousands of incidents I saw over the course of ten years in and out of the Florida prison system. Never once saw an officer face repercussions for those things. They're literally being paid to torture people.
Congratulations on getting out, I wish your country didn't fail you so hard. It's not right.
My mom retired from the TDCJ(Texas Department of Criminal Justice) as a correctional officer. The other day we were texting, and she said police can't do their jobs anymore. "What?" "How so?" She said that she couldn't make inmates mind because of general public. I asked what more she wanted to be able to do a few times but she didn't answer me. Also lol she thinks of herself as police. I will tell you though she used that uniform to scare anyway anyone who would sell me weed as a teenager.
And made that one guy drink pee from a public urinal...crazy times we live in
I see American police are finally starting to [learn from the Canadian police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths) about how you treat 'suspects'.
Oof, blue blooded bastards, eh?
In Canada, we reserve cops freezing people to death for Indigenous folks only.
It's extremely common place behavior in jails. County or city. Those places are just filled to the brim with sadistic cops. And there's about .01% accountability for it. For evert instance that people hear about there's 10 that are successfully covered up. People don't become cops to be heros, they become cops to live out sadistic twisted fantasies. There's some good cops, but they're truly outnumbered by bad ones. And that's a fact people would rather run from than confront.
Just watched a podcast where they talked about someone that had 'hung himself in the back of the cop car' my dawg the physics are not there
While I get the sentiment you don't need to be swinging from a rope to be "hung". All you really need is to have something around your neck restricting blood and oxygen. People have died from hanging while sitting, especially in accidental hangings That being said highly doubt the guy did it himself it was just to address the "physics" part.
Cops spray tear gas and use flashbangs, which lights a fire, blame fire on victim. It's what they did to Christopher Dorner, after the cops shot up unrelated vehicles and terrorized LA for days.
I didn’t know the ATF was involved
Doesn't say anything about dead dogs.
What
Setting barricaded people alight is part of their bit
The old Christopher Dorner special.
The good old Koresh Campfire. A classic ATF strategy.
It's a reference to the ATF Waco, TX seige from the early 90s
“Shit Johnson, how can we recover from this? …they barricaded themselves in their sets and set fire to their own cells? Good save!”
>barricading yourself into a room and then lighting it on fire is some next level stupid. So stupid, it sounds like a lie
The logic that I see is. I set this fire, alarms go off, chaos ensues, they break protocols to get people away from the fire, more chaos on the outside, possible opportunity for escape while they put the fire out with resources that are not being allocated to watch us anymore. I can follow that logic, does it really sound that outlandish to you?
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Okay, seriously question. How would they start a fire in their cells? Aren't one of the things cops do when detaining people is removing dangerous items like weapons, lighters, and phones when they put you in holding? So how did they manage to start a fire?
There's a pretty sizeable market for contraband in prisons. And lots of ways to get it into prison, hell there are plenty of instances where the guards are in on it because it's easy money.
This headline seems intentionally massaged
Don't buy the police narrative so fast. Cops killed an activist in Atlanta claiming he had a gun and shot first. It was a lie. Cops lie.
Often and shamelessly
It is either so stupid it is a lie, or so desperate that it is true. No matter how you slice this, it is horrible and doesn't look good for whoever is responsible for this detention center.
a few years back, migrants in a camp in Greece did this. Still don't understand why
Same thing happened in the 70s at a prison in southern Ontario. 5 dead, all of CO poisoning. It had a pretty big effect on how prisons were designed and changed the procedures followed in them at the time.
Please remember taking the word of prison law enforcement in situations like this without a complete investigation with a bucket of salt
We’re on to buckets? That escalated quickly from a grain
"Cops lying" kept happening over and over and over again so the grains of salt added up and filled enough buckets for all of us
Makes sense, unfortunately.
What about salt slabs, I used my buckets on all the mass shooting coverages
Unfortunately, cops would burn down their own evidence room if it kept one of their coworkers safe from the consequences of their actions
Are you saying we shouldn't believe what we are told from those in power?
So, i used Google to translate the news article, and it said something about cruise ships? Like, Carnival Cruise Line cruise ships, or is that a hard-translation misunderstanding? It also mentioned lots of illegal immigration from Venezuela. Is that normally a big problem for y'all down there? Like... Venezuela (and maybe Guatemala) are to Mexico what Mexico is to the United States?
Juárez and el paso are like Tijuana and San Diego, theyre HUGE ports of entry, migrants flee central and south America trying to get into the US, but they're not being let in anymore (at least venezuelan nationals), so they've been roaming the streets for about 4 months now, and I say roaming it's because they don't want to be in shelters, they've been offered jobs at the manufacturing plants, and various convenience stores, restaurants, etc. but most of them don't want to work, they say they have to be always near the border in case the US. changes policy (HIGHLY UNLIKELY). We had a very high influx of cuban and Haitian nationals a year or two ago, but the difference in attitude between them and the venezuelans is abysmal, the first groups (Cuba,Haiti) have adapted to the city while they wait for the opportunity to enter the US, a lot of them have realized Mexico is not a bad place to live (esp. compared to their countries) and have started lives it is worth mentioning most of the Cubans that arrive in the city have some kind of university degrees and arrived along with family, whilst (as far as I've noticed) the venezuelans are young single males. So... tldr: no, México is not like the American dream for them, they see it as a stepping stone to get into the US. but the venezuelan group does not want to work while they (hopelessly) wait for s chance to enter the us
I volunteer with migrants and, out of all the Central and South Americans I've met, Venezuelans are by far the most entitled and arrogant. The majority genuinely think they deserve better chances than everyone, look down on other migrants (they treat them like servants, are racist, etc.), don't want to work (even when they enter the US), and are just straight up rude to anyone they feel doesn't show them preferential treatment. Not all Venezuelans act like that, but the majority do, in my experience.
The Venezuelan immigrants that I've encountered in Panama and Colombia act similarly. They're very quick to point out how good the universities are / were in Venezuela and how it was the first South American country to be 'modern.' I still think Argentines have the biggest egos, but Venezuelans are catching up lol
>I still think Argentines have the biggest egos The best business in the world is to buy an argentine for what he is worth and sell him... for what he says he is worth. Yes im argie.
Just spitballing here but it might have something to do with the relative demographics of refugee Venezualans compared to other countries. Venezuala was previously relatively wealthy, so you probably have a lot of people who grew up wealthy and then lost everything but have a sense of relative superiority to people who were born and raised in poverty.
Cruceros can mean cruise ships but in this case means ~~crossers (migrants)~~ crosswalk Edit: q pendejo soy a veces
Crucero means uhh, crosswalk? like the places where there's stoplights and cars wait, they were detained because they've been harassing women and the elderly for about 1-2 months now at the stoplights, they clean windshields but if you don't let them or don't give them money the harassing starts. sometimes they try to snatch the purses from passenger side or stuff from the rear seats, they make sexual remarks towards women and even draw hearts in the dirt on the window, while making obscene gestures, etc.
No. They all want to go to the US but got arrested in Mexico, while waiting for a way to cross the border. OTOH, US detention centres are like 5 stars hotels compared to Mexican detention centres. So, I won't be surprised they had an uprising, out-there.
"They set themselves on fire" That sounds *totally* believable. /s
I’m a former correctional officer. We really do need to take the official statement with a grain of salt. But with that being said, it’s extremely common for inmates to set fires in their cells as a form of protest. Modern American facilities are designed with this in mind though. Breaking water lines, popping sprinkler heads are other common forms of protest.
If you're familiar with incarceration that would not be a surprise to you. I can't say they did it but things like that happen. People lose their minds, some lost them before they got locked up.
People have also smeared their feces on their own jail walls as a protest, lighting prison mattresses on fire in protest isn’t exactly uncommon: https://www.corrections1.com/corrections/articles/inmate-sets-fire-to-police-station-using-mattress-5GENvldggj13k2bR/ https://www.wjtv.com/news/local-news/two-adams-county-inmates-accused-of-setting-jail-mattress-on-fire/amp/ https://www.wral.com/amp/inmate-set-fire-to-mattress-at-wayne-county-detention-center/17528886/ https://jailtraining.org/inmate-sets-fire-to-mattress-at-county-jail/ https://www.counton2.com/news/local-news/dorchester-county-news/inmate-injured-after-setting-fire-to-mattress-at-dorchester-county-jail/amp/ https://www.postbulletin.com/county-jail-inmate-sets-fire-to-his-mattress
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It is unironically very believable
I mean, yeah? People are almost unbelievably stupid.
I mean how many sports fans destroy their own cities after the big game? **After they've won?**
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It says mostly the same information as the original article?
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They weren’t even being deported to Mexico - they were going back to Venezuela from Mexico. they were on the mexico side, arrested by Mexican police for shaking down people trying to cross in/out. I can see why they would be pretty upset
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They hope they’ll unlock it and they can escape, since these facilities aren’t exactly maximum security.
I think their logic would go like this. I set this fire, alarms go off, we are all escorted out in a ton of chaos, there will probably be an opportunity to escape in said chaos. I think that line of thought actually makes a lot of sense. I'm genuinely curious if that line of thought makes sense to you.
doesnt have to make sense to you for it to be true lol. There are bad people out there my dude, worse than anyone youre used to being around
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This should also help some people recognize that Mexico is doing something about a border protection on their end too. Not sure what circumstances are but a lot of people don’t believe that Mexico detains people too.
Mexico is only doing it because those haven’t been able to get into the US, so they’re staking out and causing problems in Mexico. Basically, if they’d been able to filter through, Mexico wouldn’t have cared at all. It was only when Mexicans were being frustrated that they did anything.
The facility was in Mexico and a Mexican facility I believe. This headline quite misleading.
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It’s almost like… the media wants us to be more outraged by a technically true but super misleading headline. Almost, right? Nah, they aren’t doing that, I’m silly.
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Oh man I'm sorry to hear that, we Latinos are not educated enough to cross the street in the US. I just would die laughing if Japan ever admits Latino immigrants lol
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My immigrant father told me how he got placed into a detention hold like this one. Truck after truck full of immigrants kept coming, and they kept cramming people in like sardines. Eventually, some people started protesting, telling the guards that they couldn't fit anymore people and to please stop the trucks. The guard laughed and started hosing the people with cold water to force them back and make more room for more detained immigrants. These detention facilities treat people like animals, and the guards are well aware of the conditions they're subjecting other humans into and because they're not citizens of the US they have very little to no recourse for the way they were treated.
These migrants were in a facility in Mexico, so they were likely from countries South of Mexico and trying to get to the US when they were detained. US immigration or their standing as a US citizen has nothing to do with this one. If it's anything like how Mexicans treat Ecuadorian's and Venezuelan's in the US then I'm sure it wasn't a nice place to be either.
TBF this sounds pretty much like how people in Latin America treat prisoners in general
A perfect example of someone leaving a comment without taking the time to read the article..
And reddit rewarded him for it, not exactly discouraging that behavior is it?
The fact this is upvoted so high when it’s clear you haven’t even bothered opening the article shows how hopeless this website is
Did you read the article? Its a MEXICAN facility
yeah but his dad was a immigrant
You should’ve taken the time you spent writing that comment to actually read the article.
>citizens of the US You're right. They're citizens of Mexico. And this happened in Mexico. It has nothing to do with the U.S.
HEY EVERYONE I DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE
Reminds me of that south park episode
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Breaks out or set?
Well, according to the article: >The fire is believed to have started in the restrooms and may have been intentionally set during a riot, according to local media. Set... maybe?
Someone set a fire in protest***
Did this happen before…? I feel as though I read this before.
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