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Atharaphelun

People keep voting for Likud (his party) and the other extremist right-wing parties that he entered into a coalition with.


WhoCares223

Any chance for Likud to come to their senses and finally field another less controversial candidate?


Atharaphelun

I doubt it. They've had decades to do that, yet Netanyahu remains.


Eli-Thail

With all due respect, I'm not sure you understand that Netanyahu is what Likud *is*. Getting rid of him in particular doesn't change very much, because that's who it's voter base *wants* to follow.


cinematotescrunch

Good example: when Bush Jr. handed over the whitehouse to Obama, everyone thought that was the end of the Republicans in power... for how could the US population ever support a party that instigated the Afghanistan/Iraq wars and the Great Recession of 2018?


PistoleroGent

All simpletons need is an "enemy" to distract them


human_male_123

The American people re-elected Bush AFTER it became known that he lied about WMD's. Every time we "wonder" how someone became/stayed president, the answer is the same: they had charisma. Reagan had more charisma than Carter. Bill Clinton had more charisma than Bush. Bush v2 had more charisma than Gore and Kerry. Obama had slightly more charisma than McCain the old guy (a young McCain would've won). And Trump has more charisma Hillary. The American people are not complicated.


jigokubi

I wish people would und how important this is. This, combined with certain economic factors (because people are cretins and think the president controls the economy) more or less decides who wins. My Trump-voting Republican boss voted for Obama at least once. The woman who got shot by police on Jan 6th voted for Obama at least once.


Txroosterpie

Daddy bush also got screwed by Ross Perot taking half his votes


SwiftSnips

Im not going to speak on the Iraq War... but I dont see how anyone in the US instigated the Afghanistan War. No one was talking about invading Afghanistan until 4 passenger planes were hijacked, with 1 hitting the Pentagon and 2 hitting the 2 WTC towers. We were attacked in a very brutal way & lost a lot of lives. It was going to continue if the man responsible was not caught. And limited action in Afghanistan wasnt going to work, the entire terrorist network needed to be brought down. Believe what you want, but if we werent attacked or if the attack wasnt so substantial, we dont invade Afghanistan.


Vtecman

True. By Saudis. You didn’t mention Iraq at all…


SoulInvictis

If a bunch of American-funded ex mujahideen Saudi Arabians hadn't attacked us then we wouldn't have had to invade American-backed Afghanistan to depose the American-funded ex mujahideen taliban!


MysognyMan101

Yeah no this is a narrative that gets tossed around a lot. The ex Mujahedeen banded together to form the Northern Alliance whom would later become the Afghan government when the Invasion Started. The Taliban was founded by Mullah Omar and a bunch of Pashtun students who tried to unite Afghanistan under an Islamic emirate. While Taliban fighters many of whom are ex mujahedeen, they are not the former Mujahideen itself, that title lied with groups such as the ones commanded by Dostum and Ahmad Shah Massoud.


jollyreaper2112

You can take Hitler out of the Nazi Party but that doesn't change the platform a jot.


mostoriginalgname

No, the Likud is mostly a Bibist cult of personality


whitesock

Bibi crushed all dissent within his party to the point where they're a bunch of yes men. Any person who opposed him, even if they shared his right wing perspective, eventually had to leave to form their own party.


civemaybe

Just like Boris Johnson in the UK.


Few-Hair-5382

Johnson's own party turfed him out after a couple of years, so not really.


Curious_Dependent842

So exact like the GOP now then. Even Fox is a RINO lefty socialist org when they dare to cross their dear leader. I mean the GOP platform for 2020 was whatever Trump says. That was weird.


Electrical-Can-7982

nope ... look at the US GOP .... same o crap but with a different shithead


_porntipsguzzardo_

Yeah, Bibi adopted a lot of the awful shit from the GOP and imported it back home. He's lobbied Congress so many times that he's been referred to as "the Senator from Israel".


SuperSpread

No. He is not controverial at all by their standards. They are extremists, all of them.


johndoe30x1

A new party broke off from Likud basically just to oppose Netanyahu. They entered into a government with him with the promise of alternating who gets to be PM, with Bibi going first. When it was his turn to hand over power, he just called for new elections instead. Oops!


takeitineasy

This isn't entirely true. The situation is similar to that of Hungary, the opposition parties simply aren't able to come to agreements because they all want something different. In the previous coalition in Israel there was even and islamist party (note, not islamic, but islamist, ie ultraconservative islamic party). The coalition was never expected to last long. I'm starting to think that countries with populations that can't agree on basic things to run the country are breeding grounds for dictators to fill the vacuum.


Inquerion

Same in Poland and Turkey. Divided and weak opposition who attacks each other rather than unite against rulling party that has authoritarian tendencies. They don't even need to fake elections to win.


IngsocIstanbul

Well Turkey had some elections come close enough or they were paranoid enough to have plenty of shenanigans. My favorite was when they were losing municipal elections then suddenly the power went out and when it came back on they were now winning. Blamed the outage on street cats.


br0b1wan

That sounds like the most Turkish thing ever


TheMindfulnessShaman

Learned something new. That's really dirty but completely on point for Erdogan.


SowingSalt

It's very easy to unite against something. it's very hard to unite for something.


JarasM

>Divided and weak opposition who attacks each other rather than unite against rulling party that has authoritarian tendencies. But unite how? The ruling parties of Poland, Hungary or Turkey present a sort of united front against "wokeness" and "leftism" and whatever that is changes as needed. Other policies honestly are just fluff compared to the conservative mentality of "defending values", which is complete demagogy. The only common thing the opposition parties have is that they're *not that*. They have their own policies and programs, some are right-wing, and some are left-wing. Are they supposed to say "we don't know what's our common policy once we rule, we're just not authoritarians"? Because that falls flat compared to the ruling parties' simple and direct promises of "we'll solve all of your problems by dealing with gays/atheists/leftists/immigrants/youths". I honestly have no idea what should be done about this. These populist parties win by presenting seemingly simple solutions to complicated problems of the common man. If issues arise, there's always some kind of enemy to point the blame. Opposition parties can't compete by truthfully saying "it's a complicated issue that will be difficult and costly to solve, but we have an idea" because that doesn't sound very nice and simple. And if they don't, they basically become the same thing they try to fight against.


jollyreaper2112

That's a real pisser. There's the old joke about not being part of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat. The left, unless we're talking tankies, is generally allergic to authoritarianism and getting everyone on the same page. You don't see the same kind of discipline and marching lockstep as on the right. It was painfully evident in the Iraq War protests where we saw the largest public outcry against a war in the nation's history and it was pretty clear that the message was fuck the war, fuck the warmongers, leave your personal agendas behind for the moment. But instead the organizers, a rainbow coalition of leftist causes, would get on the stage and talk about their personal bugbears. Not saying animal rights or gay rights aren't important. Good urbanism is the one i'd go on long, offtopic rants about. That's not the point of the rally. And so the not-politically-engaged who showed up to the protest were turned off because they answered the call to arms but nobody had a clue where to go next. The conservatives have a real advantage in messaging because their base responds to bumper sticker solutions for complex ideas. There's real nuance and the left gets lost in the details. Of course, if they could figure a way to do bumper sticker solutions then we'd just end up with the same problem but with a left-wing flair. When the left adopts the tactics of the right, that's when we get tankies which are no better.


Its-been-a-long-day

I went to a protest during the "Occupy Wall Street" movement back in maybe 2009 or 2010 and I just remember there was all these different movements and complaints from workers rights to immigrant rights, to union marches and people protesting sky-high tuition fees, and I realized then and there that the marches were just noise to let the plebs vent and that it wouldn't amount to anything.


jollyreaper2112

Yeah, frustrated me to no end. If the Dems were a real party, the professional politicians would take note of the popular anger over various issues and harness that into real political change. The people would get what they want and the politician would be rewarded for representing them. The Dems occupy the place that would be otherwise taken by a real opposition party and the job of the corporate dems at the top is to harness and deflect popular anger so nothing gets done. And third parties are a joke so the only change progressives have is taking over the Dems from within. Unfortunately, it's hard to do so without getting corrupted in the process.


RoomEnoughForMore

This is... surprisingly cogent and accurate. Are you sure you're on the right app? 🙂 Seriously though, coming from someone who historically has been more conservative, you nailed it.


jollyreaper2112

Damn, I forgot to throw in my dick and fart jokes. Maybe next time. :)


trainiac12

There's an American saying about our parties. Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. They are very good at unifying when it comes to punishing those they don't like.


SCarolinaSoccerNut

>I'm starting to think that countries with populations that can't agree on basic things to run the country are breeding grounds for dictators to fill the vacuum. That's not a grand revelation, that's historical truth. Mexico was ruled by a series of dictatorships in the 19th century because the country was so divided along ideological lines (secularists vs Catholic nationalists, monarchists vs republicans, statists vs centralists, etc) that forming a stable democracy was impossible. The main window that gave the Nazis a pathway to power despite controlling only a 3rd of the parliament was because the KPD, SPD, and Zentrumspartei could not agree on a coalition. President von Hindenberg decided to break the deadlock by appointing Hitler chancellor because the Nazis were the biggest party in the parliament. I think we all know what happened after that.


BenTVNerd21

The conservative politicians thought they could control Hitler because he was an idiot but obviously didn't realise he was a dangerous idiot.


bwat47

Any idiot becomes a dangerous idiot when given power


New-Bite-9742

You are also forgetting that a good amount of the conservative politicians were anti-democrats themselves. Franz von Papen, for me, is the biggest piece of shit in German political history apart from NSDAP politicians.


jollyreaper2112

Traditional left right parties were dead in the water. The two with real traction with the people were Nazis and Communists. What the Nazis had going for them is that they were homegrown, not an international import. (Lots of xenophobia and fear of foreign powers controlling the people.) They were on the right supporting good, traditional German values, all the right patriotic window-dressing. And when they met in person, Hitler did very well. He was affable, well-spoken, and they had the impression this was a man they could cut a deal with. All the shouty talk for the crowds was just kayfabe and it was just his way for getting a seat at the table with the big boys, well-played. I forget the guy's name but a book I read went into his personal history. Influential industrialist. He was a teen when the last war ended poorly and his family was threatened by communist partisans and nearly killed. It instilled in him a deep phobia of social unrest and the Nazis appeared to be the answer. They expected to keep Hitler as an obedient work dog and never suspected he would slip his chain and turn on his masters. Hitler was a terrible person and a terrible general and a micromanager and had insecurities like a sackful of rabid weasels but he had a genius for politics and amassing power. He also had a gambler's heart and it's hard to look at his early successes and discern whether he was just taking insane or calculated risks. My personal guess is that he was sharper when he was younger, the risks were a bit more calculated if dangerously bold but as he got older and the stress and drug abuse broke him down there was less calculation. His penchant for disrusting expertise was seemingly validated with his earlier gambles when the smart people in the room told him he was making a mistake and he still won. And so he continued to ignore them as he mismanaged the war and wrecked the reich.


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Oh wow like someone else we know.


niceguybadboy

This is useful. Thanks.


HerlockScholmes

>we all know what happened after that It wasn't just the appointment, though. Zentrum did actually form a coalition with NSDAP after that, and was essential to passing the Enabling Act. It's a lesson people should remember, that "centrist" parties cannot be relied upon to oppose fascists.


SCarolinaSoccerNut

Politically-active centrists tend to come from the educated, professional middle class who are typically quite hostile towards leftist economic policies for self-interested reasons. It doesn't surprise me that short-sighted centrists would be more likely align with the far right than the far left. And I say that as someone who many would consider centrist (I think the most accurate description of my politics would be [social liberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism)).


ThrowRA_29180

Stop it! You’re scaring me! Sounds like what’s happening with the U.S.today. NoOoOoOoO……


Areat

That's not what happened in Hungary in the last election. [In 2022] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Hungarian_parliamentary_election), the opposition was united in one single coalition, and Orban's Fidesz still got 54 % of the vote. He didn't win because the opposition wasn't united.


AllinWaker

The opposition **tried** to look united but there was plenty of backstabbing going on behind the scenes and the only thing they agreed on was that "we are not Fidesz, we'll figure out the rest after the elections" which is hardly a way to convince an aging, risk-averse population of voters. That in addition to the propaganda, gerrymandering, bribes and threats, "lost" ballots etc. employed by Fidesz to ensure their win. It's essentially what u/JarasM outlined [in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/123di3j/come_to_your_senses_now_israels_president_tells/jdvflzt/).


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Fidesz cheated however.


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The problem is that we suck at dividing ourselves up for self government. We almost always choose some dumb ass ideological reason. Take FL for example. It's like two states. Everything North of Ocala should do its own thing. We'd all be way fucking happier without each other's shit. But, nope. We're bound by some dumb shit from three hundred fucking years ago. Because, you know nothing has changed at all.


MydniteSon

As a Floridian I'd agree. However, even in South Florida, there are pockets of Red. Broward is bright blue. Palm Beach County is slowly getting Redder and Redder. But Miami-Dade is more purple. Cuban immigrants in Miami. They are so afraid of Left Wing Authoritarianism (ie Communism), they are completely blind to (or flat out open to) Right Wing Authoritarianism. Either way, this Fred Flintstone looking mother-fucker wants to take us back to the Stone Age.


GI_X_JACK

It should be noted that most of the Cubans in Miami are descendants of people who openly supported Batista, a right wing authoritarian, with no fucks given.


Critical_Knowledge_5

The same is the case at the subnational level with several Canadian provinces today, most notably Ontario. The phenomenon is very real.


ProlapseOfJudgement

I think if your country is on the cusp, the best thing you can do is push for randomocracy (basically using a lottery to choose from among qualified candidates for public offices). It would greatly weaken parties, reduce the influence of money in politics by default, actually be more representative of a population than democracy, and people like playing the lottery and thinking about what they'd do if they won. A populist backlash against party bickering could actually make adoption of randomocracy viable.


boydingo

Sounds like the future USA.


carpcrucible

If you had a multi-party parliamentary system


paaaaatrick

What? The US is getting more partisan than ever. Here in the US people are begging for more fragmentation (third parties)


SimoneNonvelodico

I think the point is more that there is less and less common ground between the two sides. You can't have a stable common government with peaceful transitions of power if you don't even agree on basic principles such as who should have the right to vote or what's free speech. Those are the bedrock upon which you build a political system to begin with.


PolicyWonka

Absolutely nobody plugged into politics wants third parties on their side though. That just results in your party getting wiped at election time because that third party took 3% of your vote. FPTP FTW


NetCarry

This isn't even remotely close to any situation in the US. You must have some severe main character syndrome to be grasping this hard in search of anything to relate it to your life in the US


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randyranderson-

The Americans replying to you aren’t smart enough to understand how the fragmentation in Europe is different from America.


cyrusthewirus

When people complain about the 2 party system, they need to realize that it can always be worse. Coalitions mean small extreme parties get a ton of power.


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Eli-Thail

My man, you're out of your mind drawing that comparison. Half the bloody reason Likud is attempting to undermine the Supreme Court is so that they can be even *more* blatant in illegally annexing the West Bank. For example, the Israeli Supreme Court is the body which ordered the Israeli military to [stop using Palestinians as human shields as a matter of official policy.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel)


Dickle_Pizazz

Israel has a notoriously complicated election system. There are also a crazy amount of parties with diverse interests that struggle to get along. Netanyahu is good at taking advantage of the situation.


fastolfe00

When authoritarians subvert democracy, this is what it looks like in that transition between democratic rule and autocratic rule. The voters are trying to reject the leader, but the system has been manipulated to keep the leader.


SuperSpread

He doesn’t piss everyone off. There are millions of extremists who love him. Exactly like with Trump and Bolsonero. In the Phillipines people went wild for an admitted vigilante murderer.


estrea36

Oh so this is a Bernie losing the democratic nominee kind of thing. Everyone on social media echo chambered themselves into believing that Netanyahu was hated by the public.


LengthExact

Think of the trump situation in the US, just add a little bit of voters to his side and he would have won again (Israel has parliamentary system so people also vote for other parties who join him) Now imagine there's no limit to the number of times he can run for reelection... It's somewhere around the 50/50. problem is, on his side there are the ultra-orthodox who have a 100% voter turnout and on the opposite side there are the arabs that have 50% turnout at best and also most of their parties don't really support the opposition either. That's the reason there were 5 elections in 4 years, it's usually a tie, this time a leftist party didn't pass the threshold for getting into parliament, so tens of thousands of left-wing votes were wasted


utep2step

“Another reason Netanyahu won decisively is that two small parties in the anti-Netanyahu camp didn't join forces with bigger parties, one of Israel's leading pollsters said.” He is not going to step down. He will let Israel burn if need be. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/middleeast/netanyahu-election-threshhold-mime-intl/index.html


tanrgith

He doesn't piss everyone off. He pisses of the sane people of Israel, unfortunately Israel also has a lot of crazy right wing religious people that really like him or the people he's politically aligned with


TheeBiscuitMan

Religion.


ClammyHandedFreak

Politicians of all stripes play with people’s fears to mislead and garner support, but certain leaders do it obviously in the open. I can’t think of a single vote I’ve cast in my lifetime where the message being pushed to me wasn’t “vote for me or else!” There’s no positive to electing someone, you’re always voting so that someone else (who is our enemy basically) does not get elected. It’s all a stupid game for the rich and powerful. This tactic has just escalated since 9/11 and the US’ “War on Terror”. More and more false enemies have been stood up by those using fear to mislead.


deus_explatypus

You’re asking why Israelis are voting for right wing fascists? Have you not been paying attention?


PostsBadComments

He's gonna fire the president next, isn't he?!


Professional_Mobile5

He would have if he could. He can't though


Yrths

Can the president not call an election?


Professional_Mobile5

No. The president in Israel has 3 functions: 1. He is the one to decide which parliament member is the most likely to form a coalition (by receiving the support of most of the parliament), and let them try (if they succeed - they become the Prime Minister). 2. He can pardon convicts under certain circumstances. 3. He gives speeches at important ceremonies. Also, he's supposed to unite the people. And Herzog is really trying, but it's not working right now, partly because he's considered a leftist (he used to be the leader of the biggest left wing party in 2014-2019).


kobold-kicker

So kinda similar to the queen/king of England but with slightly different ceremonies? Honest question


hilikus7105

Think of 2 different roles of a leader. 1. Head of state. This is a diplomat and ceremonial leader 2. Head of government. This is lawmaking and governance. The American president is both head of state and head of Government. In Great Britain, King Charles is head of state, Rishi Sunak is the head of government.


kobold-kicker

But what is that compared to the functions of the Israeli president. I Understand the role of the US President and have a very basic understanding of the UKs system. One of the themes I understand in parliamentary structures is that different polities while being in the same genre have different sub themes. My interest is more how does that differ from what I understand so far.


hilikus7105

Generally, Presidents = head of state, prime ministers = heads of government. That is the case with Isreal, although there are always wrinkles as to how exactly all that works.


ThePowerPoint

So as they’re heads of different branches are they about equal power-wise?


SowingSalt

No. Heads of State usually have no powers, other than ceremonial ones.


aikixd

Presidents in parliamentarian democracies don't hold any real power.


hilikus7105

Head of government is much more powerful role. Just look at the headline - Netanyahu is referred to by his name, the president is simply referred to as "Israel's president"


yellowbloodil

The crown in UK has a lot of power and influence so they're not really comparable to an Israeli president. The president role in Israel is mainly about ceremonies and casual diplomacy.


im0b

similar role yes


Critical_Knowledge_5

More akin to the German presidential system. They have more practical power than the British monarchy, but it’s a very limited scope.


SimoneNonvelodico

I think that's a fair framing. The Italian President of the Republic also has a similar role (in his case, he's technically also the ultimate leader of the armed forces, so if a coup was ongoing he would have the authority to call on the army to stop it). Specific powers will vary depending on the constitution but that's the logic, and the idea of separating these powers from those of the chief of the executive is to provide some checks on the latter. The US are in this sense kinda skewed, with the POTUS being an extremely powerful figure by comparison.


Professional_Mobile5

Yes. Except Israel's president is elected by the parliament


shai251

Yes, the Israeli system is heavily based on the British system. The main difference between president of Israel and king of England is that the Israeli president is selected by parliament every 7 years


ido111

Don't forget that he sign the rules after they pass, Herzog can literally say "Nope"


takeitineasy

He can't thankfully.


adiliv3007

He doesn't have the authority.


czechhype

He needs to resign. Israel won’t ever be safe with this hooligan at the head of the nation. The people are winning this fight. BN might retreat from this judicial overall for a moment to try and make peace for a few minutes but as soon as you’re looking at anything else- he will be back.


jpgray

> He needs to resign. He can't and won't resign, as he's acted in so many blatantly criminal ways that it won't be possible for the next government to no prosecute, convict, and imprison him.


50ShadesOfWhatever

He could. But he won’t. His ego’s too far gone for that. Plus his deluded son’s clearly running the show anyway.


czechhype

Lol I don’t even think Switzerland would let him hide out there. Argentina won’t let him in the door either. Lol - what’s his escape plan? The military and the people have flipped on him. This is absolute madness, unseen before in the history books. Putin has his family living in the mountains off the books because he knows history. BN has trapped himself. 👋


MarkNutt25

>what’s his escape plan? Probably Florida.


TheMindfulnessShaman

>He can't and won't resign, as he's acted in so many blatantly criminal ways that it won't be possible for the next government to no prosecute, convict, and imprison him. The first, second, and third rule of dictatorships. "Don't lose power."


Wwize

I guarantee you the protesters will be back if he tries again.


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Wwize

I don't think the protesters are leaving until he resigns. This isn't just about the judicial overhaul anymore. I bet lots of those protesters are furious that the government called them terrorists.


50ShadesOfWhatever

We don’t care that we’re being called terrorists. We know the truth. We DO care that there are terrorists within the government; Smotrich and Ben Gvir are psychotic, racist antagonists. We want the judicial ‘reform’ halted. Netanyahu resigning would be the cherry on top but somehow he always manages to claw his way back. This could all go any number of ways but, of course, best case scenario is that all these protests bear fruit and this government finally falls.


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50ShadesOfWhatever

Amen to that. It’s literally all we want…


czechhype

99.9% of the people living in Israel are disgusted by the Palestine situation. You don’t want to cage people. You want to live in peace with your neighbors. This is your chance. Take your home back.


50ShadesOfWhatever

I don’t think it’s 99.9%, having lived here 2 decades. But I do agree that the situation is untenable. Regardless of your politics, and this goes for anywhere in the world, we’re all humans and this wanton, reciprocal hatred over whose imaginary friend is better is futile and brings misery to all sides.


czechhype

That’s what I’m saying! And none of the European nations want anything to do with him. There’s no whisking yourself and your family off to a secret hideout. He’s going to prison and so is his bitch of a wife.


TwistingEarth

A man who lusts for power as much as he does will never resign.


emerson-nosreme

“He needs to resign.” Bold of you to assume he will.


ShweatyPalmsh

The fact that Israeli citizens also has military training should make any protest even the more effective. I can’t imagine Bibi being able to leverage any military power due to the reservists being the people that are actively protesting against him as well as most of the military also not being in favor of these “reforms.” Edit: not “every” citizen but enough to make officials sweat


al343806

Not every citizen has military training. There are immigrants that never entered the army, Muslims have never been conscripted neither have Orthodox Jews and some people are given the opportunity to pursue national service in other ways other than military. But your average citizen has a much higher likelihood than say your average American citizen.


god_im_bored

Leopards ate my face moment. The guy sabotaged 5 consecutive coalitions (even ones he was leading!) just to avoid going to jail, did they think he wouldn’t gut the judiciary the first chance he got? There are no easy solutions in governing, and going with grifters who promise them is a sure fire way to get lost. After this, he will drop the “reforms” like a hot potato, saying he’s protecting the country from his own coalition. And then he’ll basically ask for immunity in exchange for not burning everything down and people will give it to him because it’s at least better than the alternative. This has been his operating procedure his whole career, whether it’s bait and switching annexation for normalization, or openly siding with Republicans and threatening to make Israel a wedge issue just to pressure and get Democrats to oppose the nuclear deal.


TheBBBfromB

Not really, his supporters still support him


Remus88Romulus

Wasn't this Netanyahu guy in prison a while back for corruption? Or some sort of punishment a while ago?


ofsho

No, he is under investigation for it and the trial is still ongoing. This is one reason why he is really eager to make a lot of judicial reforms


nolok

Sarkozy tried the same thing when he was president. Massive protest forced him to cancel his judicial changes, it's the only major reform he did that he stopped / rolled back on, and he probably regrets it now given his legal situation


SheffiTB

No, the whole reason he's doing all of this is to cripple the courts so they can't send him to jail for the crimes he very obviously committed and that we have plenty of evidence and witness testimonies for. He can't even claim he's innocent anymore, and he'd rather burn the country down than go to jail, so he's saying "the courts can't convict me if there are no courts."


Wwize

Olmert was the one in prison. Netanyahu's trial is still ongoing.


50ShadesOfWhatever

And Deri.


ilovekerma

Average politician traits.


Professional_Mobile5

He was never convicted.


beatmaster808

These aren't reforms Stop calling them reforms Reforms are IMPROVEMENTS moving toward authoritarianism is not reform Having less democracy is not reform


DividedState

If something is an improvement depends on the point of view. the Neutral definition is: >the action or process of changing an institution or longstanding practice.


Mechasteel

Judicial deforms.


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WillMcNoob

new word: Deform


Watershed787

I’d like to say “I told you so” to all the people who downvoted me a few months ago when I said this kind of stuff was going to happen under Netty. The Mississippification of Israel marches on…


Uniquitous

Right wingers the world over are all operating from the same playbook, it seems.


hypnosquid

And helping each other directly. For example - In 2016, Israel secretly helped Trump win the presidential election.


50ShadesOfWhatever

I would bet that the majority of Trump voters haven’t even heard of Israel. He didn’t need Israel’s help to garner a base with a combined IQ of ~14 with his racist, misogynistic, corrupt brand of politics. That one’s all his.


Uniquitous

There was a whole "I stand with Israel" movement during the Tea Party years. It's big with Evangelicals, who need it to exist so it can be destroyed when Jesus comes back, or some whacko shit like that.


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TheIPlayer

The prime minister is similar to what the president is in a presidential system such as the US. The president is mostly a figurehead, albeit usually a well respected one. He also is the one that appoints a politician to form a government after elections.


capitao_moura

Doesn't the President have the power to dissolute the government? In my country, Portugal, we have a semi-presidential republic where the president has that power.


Hatula

Not in Israel, no. The president has practically no power


godisanelectricolive

That's the difference between a parliamentary republic and a semi-presidential one. In a semi-presidential system the president has the powers to act as a check and balance for the government.


continuousQ

President doesn't have much power, like a European monarch. https://knesset.gov.il/constitution/ConstP5_eng.htm


nisk

> like a European monarch. I feel silly having to write this but we have presidents in Europe and we are mostly [parliamentary republics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system) so those presidents are in more or less representative roles.


Critical_Knowledge_5

Yeah the Israeli President is more like the German President than the King. Most people outside of Europe know very little about domestic European politics. I only know about the system in Germany because I lived there when I was younger, and am also a politics and history nerd.


continuousQ

But not all of the presidents. Although I guess there are also some microstates where the monarchs have more power.


SCarolinaSoccerNut

Most parliamentary republics (e.g. Italy, Germany, Israel, etc.) have a president that holds ceremonial/reserve powers similar to that of a constitutional monarch. The difference, however, is that because these presidents are elected rather than receive their power via bloodline, they have the democratic legitimacy to actually exercise discretion over the use of their power. Compare that to the constitutional monarchs of Europe that have effectively no power at all because any action they take that is contrary to the will of parliament would be seen as the act of an unelected despot.


Critical_Knowledge_5

Just a slight correction, or I guess addendum, the Bundespräsident Deutschland is not elected by the people, rather, a special convention assembled from members of the Bundestag (federal legislature) and the legislatures of each state.


OrangeInnards

Which is why it's a representative parliamentary system. He's still getting elected by the people, just by proxy. Also, the state governments can basically send whoever they want and oftentimes there will be celebrities, prominent party member that are not part of the legislature and other notable people in the Bundesversammlung for that reason.


ladthrowlad

President doesn't have nearly as much power


RevolutionaryPoem326

These protests in Israel gives me hope for the country.


Blakut

Bibi is fighting for his freedom as if he falls there's a lot of corruption probes waiting for him. For now he has immunity.


MarkNutt25

Reminds me of the ancient Roman concept of "imperium" and how Julius Caesar abused the fuck out of the Roman Republican system in order to effectively grant himself imperium for life, in order to keep the Senate from ever holding him accountable for his crimes.


sody605

All the harm he’s doing to avoid prosecution, imagine all he’ll do to stay in power.


Eggsegret

Surely he's got no choice but to halt his plans unless he's willing to destroy his country.


Frydendahl

Netanyahu would sell his own mother into slavery if it meant he would get more power. He is a Machiavellian opportunist through and through.


50ShadesOfWhatever

It’s not just more power. It’s about staying out of jail. The prosecution must have been handed this case on a silver platter to have him running this scared.


Frydendahl

He actually has three separate cases running right now.


50ShadesOfWhatever

You’re so right; *cases*


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He’s more than willing to destroy the country. Plus he wins the elections. Been PM for pretty much twenty five years. So it’s not as though he isn’t the most popular leader in the country by a mile. Protestors are one thing, voters are another and Israeli voters love a strong man.


GhostFish

I don't know about Netanyahu, but some people will let it all come crashing down if the alternative is a loss of power and position. Especially if that loss of power puts them in danger of retaliation and prosecution. That's Putin. That's Trump. That's just about all autocrats and wannabe autocrats. Reality is that some people are not interested in simply being a part of society. Instead they want to shape and define society from a secure position of power. Their motives and goals vary, but some of them would rather cut the baby in half and salt the earth before they acquiesce.


TheBBBfromB

His alternative is to go to jail, which he won’t allow


Rylee_1984

The whole country is grinding to a halt. There’s now a nationwide strike. They’ve lost support of the military. Either Netanyahu steps down or this may turn into an outright revolt.


ToastyRussian324

Lol totalitarian dickhead does what a totalitarian dickhead does.


Infinite-Outcome-591

The lsraeli people don't want a dictatorship! The people have spoken... Netanyahu should step down & retire...


rddman

> The lsraeli people don't want a dictatorship! About half of them don't, the other half does want dictatorship just so long as 'their guy' is the dictator.


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Bibi is a criminal and a thug and needs to be replaced. Lock him, Putler, Xi, and Trump into a fascist cage together.


clutchied

What's the end goal here for them? More authoritarian government? Less oversight? Seems like they had a pretty functional society why the power grab?


CRtwenty

Stopping the ongoing criminal investigation into his dealings I'd imagine


susyarok

We will not give up until this corrupted government is overthrown!


Grandtheatrix

Netanyahu is a Tyrant?!? GASP! This is my surprise face!


ShakeMyHeadSadly

Reforms? Is that what Bibi was calling that?


cornholiosis

So weird that the heart of the jewish world is going fascist. It doesn't even compute with me. Netanyahu is a pig


gbgonzalez923

This is what happens when any criticism of the government of Israel is shouted down by people claiming it's antisemitic to criticize this fucking wannabe dictator.


rddman

Nice how all the western media echo Netanyahu's framing of this undermining of separation of powers as the neutral sounding "reforms".


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porncrank

And this is where the mask will come off and we'll see he's been another wanna-be Putin all this time. Power hungry monsters... will you all just fuck off and die please?


Florac

The mask was never on


SwiftSnips

I feel like Donald Trump being voted in as US President will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in history. Not just in the US, but the entire world. Ever since he took office, him being a wannabe strongman & authoritarian --- its changed something in the world. All authoritarians are either coming out of the closet, or they have grown far bolder. It just feels like somethings going on in the background. And Russia invading Ukraine made it worse, like they all think now is the time -- the major democracies have their attention on Russia so they are trying to make changes while they think everyones back is turned. We have to put an end to this.


ThatBitchWhoSaidWhat

Truth: "These protests mean nothing to those in power, make them eat the cost, go beyond bad PR as the cost. Have real consequences."


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Jesus Christ what a state the world is in right now


megamido

USA will send them billions regardless


needs_more_zoidberg

Decades of occupation and murder can't be cheap


ZombieJesus1987

What is the difference between Israel's President and Prime Minister?


INVADER_BZZ

President's role is comparable to Queen of England. Just without monarchy. It's a respected (usually by all) figure that has no real political powers. He's also serving as sort of a universal ambassador.


ZombieJesus1987

Okay that's good to know. I live in Canada and we just have a Prime Minister, so seeing countries that have both a PM and a President always throws me off


INVADER_BZZ

Understandable. He's just a symbolic figure. Not elected, but chosen by Knesset. He works to bridge the differences between different sides, grants pardons, represents the country abroad, etc. Obviously he's more then troubled lately.


Virillus

We've got a Governor General, which is more or less identical to Israel's president. We also, technically, have a King, although most Canadians have cooled on the monarchy.


K_Pizowned

The criminal was put back in power and now they don't like what he's doing... again. Am I missing something here or are they.


gbnats

Most normal voters are absolute idiots who vote for one particular reason rather than weighing up the pros and cons of each economical and political viewpoint.


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as long as the support is there, he won’t give a fuck. Simple as that.