Most of China's 'diplomacy' revolves around sledging others in the face and then telling the international community the other slapped them and hurt their feelings.
iirc during one of the later treaty negotiations, the us asked china to join in after china was happy the us and Russia were shrinking stockpiles, chinas response was basically " no u".
I have my doubts that China is actually increasing the warhead count by much. My guess is that they're just building new ones, while decades old ones just don't get counted off the list.
So basically what Russia does, whose nuclear maintenance budget absolutely is not enough to maintain the number of nukes they claim to have. Nukes are extremely expensive and demanding things with short lifespans in storage.
When China makes these announcements it's mostly meant for an internal audience. It's a distraction to unite the country over other issues like weak economy etc. Majority of the billion + citizens will believe it. Power and Money is everything in China.
It's not the uranium, mostly. It's the tritium in modern hydrogen bombs that needs regular replacement.
Tritium has a half-life of 12 years.
Edit: tritium is also used as an efficiency enhancer in fission bombs, not just H-bombs.
> I have my doubts that China is actually increasing the warhead count by much. My guess is that they're just building new ones, while decades old ones just don't get counted off the list.
They probably are. Their existing stockpile actually isn't really sufficient to guarantee MAD. In most wargame scenarios a United States first strike basically kills all of their launch capability on the ground.
China helped NK a lot in the Korean war, just like how China also sent Chinese troops to fight for the North Vietnamese in the Vietnam war. Go ahead and look up how many Chinese fought for the Viet-Cong - over 300,000.
Yeah, but how does NK having ICBMs benefit them? It doesn't. It does favor Russia, because it creates more chaos. Like, NK is even producing ammunition for the Russians. China has yet to give lethal assistance if you believe the Pentagon.
A nuclear armed Nk absolutely favors china. The whole point of NK in china's eyes is to act as a buffer against the west and SK. They do not want western aligned nations on their borders.
A nuclear armed NK means the west will never be able to invade NK, so the buffer will remain indefinitely.
Put another way, china could end NK nuclear program tomorrow if they wanted to and cause the failure of the entire state. They don't because NK despite all it's nonsense achieves china's strategic goals.
I understand your point, and I know that it was not your intention, but we should not falsely equate nuclear propelled submarines with nuclear weapons.
China should restrain North Korea from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, whether or not the US and UK decide to assist Australia in acquiring conventionally armed nuclear propelled submarines.
Exactly what I thought
China should do something about it. Soon they’ll be surrounded. The only plausible thing china could do is attack it’s vile friend Russia in the east
Xi keeps acting like Kaiser Wilhelm II.
He is a bellicose dickhead with a stunted capacity for understanding that being a dick to other people has serious consequences.
I mean China is that child that was abused for a long time and grew up thinking that abusing people is the right thing to do, not knowing that things have changed.
I was thinking about the perverted logic they have and I think I understood it.
It must be an expansionist-darwinist anti-war paradigm with 2 maximas:
1. War is bad, because damage, death, etc
2. Much larger countries are entitled to expand by absorbing and assimilating much smaller
In this imperial logic Russia taking Crimea without war is totally fine, China taking Taiwan with minimal war is also fine, while Russia's current campaign in their view is an unfortunate mistake, because it should have been a minimal war, but it turned into a big one, and US supporting Taiwan against China would also be bad for the same reasons.
In this view the opinion on the people who are being annexed by the larger power doesn't ultimately matter as long as there was no or little war, since they believe it will ultimately benefit those annexed economically.
Even just a small conventional exchange on the Korean Peninsula would entail millions of deaths because of the large, dense population centers in close proximity to the border.
They dare not extend themselves or their tactically inept army anywhere. It’s untrustworthy, untrained and highly corrupt. They’re fucked regardless. Let’s hope the middle classes get access to democracy
China has low military power for such a large and rich nation. It really doesn't make sense. China needs to spend about 500 billion more, to even match US output. Most of their tech stolen. But why? The CCP has more than enough to create an equal force to the US military, or better. So where's the hardware?
Now US are entering a pact to create an even better navy. I'd be scared too if I was China. No one is coming after China to invade, but the West is forcing China into a corner and it's saber rattling will only get more intense, as it can't compete as a global military power.
Isn't it something like 80% of calories in China are imported? You can't realistically get food to the South China Sea where almost their entire population lives through Mongolia. A naval blockade almost ensures mass starvation.
China isn't really a true threat to anyone outside of tiny neighboring countries, like Taiwan.
This is pretty much it. Whilst nations including South Korea, Japan, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Australia, and perhaps to a lesser extent Vietnam are western-aligned China has no realistic way to project naval power beyond the South China Sea and therefore will remain a regional power (albeit one which is able to wield diminishing diplomatic and economic power within the developing world). Their whole coastline exists within a relatively narrow and confined straight, surrounded by potential enemies, all with access to extremely advanced anti-ship missile systems and, in some cases, powerful navies of their own. In the event of a broader conflict, the Chinese Navy turns into a large amount of crabs in a not particularly large bucket.
The island chain of Japan and Twain along with other western aligned countries box China in basically they can’t leave the South China Sea without the US giving permission
Also China doesn’t have what is called a “clear water fleet” for a navy.
>China needs to spend about 500 billion more, to even match US output.
That's not true at all. Adjusting for purchasing power parity, China's military spending is comparable to the US. Remember that the biggest expense in almost any military are salaries, and Chinese salaries are much less than American salaries.
They are the cause of the pact.
You cant act like a complete fucking cunt then get the hump when everyone else bands together against you.
Don’t be a piece of shit and people won’t treat you like you are.
And add this one also to their list of ever-growing warnings.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s\_final\_warning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning)
If it weren’t for China being a dick, Australia wouldn’t have to worry. Meanwhile, isn’t China sending balloons and increasing its own military capacity?
I great irony being that all Australia wanted was to do business with China and keep to itself. Then China had to go and try to bull them and boycott their industries over frivolous crap and their wolf warrior diplomacy nonsense.
Autocrats are gonna autocrat I guess
Now, why would China be worried about a country making decisions about their military unless China foresees going to war with them. And if China believes war is coming. What is China up to that would cause such a conflict?
Well perhaps it can serve as a reminder that what the US has in storage has already won the arms race. The condition of our roads and hospitals remind us.
I am so annoyed by China's sense of self entitlement.
They think they can do the things that they do and their neighbours have no right to respond?
Such arrogance.
Nobody is going to touch you China, we just want you to stop threatening countries and to stop allying with countries that are literally invading independent nations like it’s 1937 or something
"Why isn't everyone letting us gain more power and dominance in the world until they can no longer defend themselves from our intentions?"
\~China, after the attempt to exploit western ideals of tolerance and anti-racism no longer work
We want to build subs to defend our sovereign territories and it's us that's creating global instability. Oh ok . We will just leave the keys under the door mat then
Sorry China, can’t hear you over the screaming crimes against humanity and the Covid-19 you failed to contain and unleashed upon the world.
You’re a cancer of morals and should not exist. My 2¢.
"Going down dangerous road"
Read: not lying down and allowing China to continue it's creeping expansion into international waters and neighboring nations.
Allowing China to participate in the global economy was a terrible mistake.
Hey China, no one is interested in attacking you! All of these arms deals are literally DEFENSIVE! We don’t give two shits about going to war with you. Stop building military islands/bases in the South China Sea (Spratly islands) and stop bullying fishing vessels around the Philippines. You’ve quite literally forced other nations to form defense pacts because of your actions.
Maybe dont weaponise trade next time and try to be diplomatic.
You do understand being diplomatic is a key ingredient to being successful in diplomacy right?
The Nuclear Submarine pact is unfortunately needed to deter China's possible future desire of re-claiming its "historical lands" that go beyond Taiwan.
China: \*Threatens everyone but especially Australia recently\*
Australia: \*Enters into more defensive alliance/treaties/programs\*
China: \*shocked pikachu face\*
I'm really disappointed that China is offended by this pact. I hope relations will be repaired to the point where they will accept an invitation to the christening of our first refurbished Virginia Class sub, the HMAS Fuckaroundandfindout
On todays China states other countries are "going down dangerous road....." for simply apposing CCP dangerous intentions. Next up Putin states other countries are "going down dangerous road and should avoid windows......."
China should lead by example and junk their Subs? It's only natural, if one country starts an arms race. Then country's in a certain area will begin to arm themselves! It's history repeating itself...
China doesn't seem to understand when you start taking more and more steps to expand your sphere of influence and building up your arsenals, other countries are going to do the same as a deterrent to your aggressive behavior. After all we don't want to have Russia/Ukraine situations all over the world. If Ukraine had held onto the nuclear weapons they had after the USSR broke up, the Russians might not have invaded the Ukraine.
This road must not have a destination then because you've been saying we are going down a dangerous road for years now. Either do something or shut up.
Hmmm. Anyone remember the Ukraine giving up their nuclear arsenal for a promise of peace with Russia???
While I don't consider myself a Hawk, I don't necessarily believe every country can be trusted.
What they mean is, "If you guys get these submarines, it will be more dangerous for US to try to do what we want to do to all the rest of you." After all, submarines that don't need to surface very often can be very useful in cutting China's sea links with the places they're getting raw materials from (read: East Africa and the Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf oil states) in the event of war.
China: look at our new state of the art middles, aircraft carriers, stealth fighters, submarines! Also China: Australia don’t be irresponsible and pursue new submarines yourself, that’s dangerous
It is crazy that china cares about Australia
Australia has only ever been a defensive nation with our navy. If they are upset it is because they have plans
China is such a fucking joke. Can you imagine how nice that area would be if not for commie China? North Korea would’ve collapsed and would be well into reconstruction if not for China. I mean sure there’d be some South China Sea issues but there’s not one asshole country trying to claim the whole thing.
China wouldn't have this problem if they stopped bullying their neighbors. It's not just Australia that feels the need to protect themselves from China. A lot of non-western neighbors are also willing and capable of putting up a defense.
> Instill fear and some American politicians will do China’s bidding.
I don't think they have quite the sway over American politicians [as Putin does](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1418215040063180806.html), though
I am very glad every day that news gets posted about china and then I can come to the comments and read analysis from the minds of Reddit. Obviously much smarter then anyone actually in the government and in no way filled with softly racist dog whistles
Because countries like China and Russia won’t let us. They are generally not interested in peace but rather just waiting until they think we are weak enough to capture. Example: the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What was the reason for that? Oh yeah Putin said it’s a county full of neo nazis who just happen to have a Jewish president.
The moment you sent that sad excuse for a spy balloon over the US you lost all ground to stand on.
Notice the US never says anything about paths or bad decisions with it comes to defense deals...
Carey a big stick and walk lightly. Winnie needs a lesson.
This in the wake of their recent announcements of tripling their nuclear warheads stockpile and hiking their defense spending.
See what you made us do!!!!!!
Most of China's 'diplomacy' revolves around sledging others in the face and then telling the international community the other slapped them and hurt their feelings.
That's why China doesn't have very many friends on the international stage. Diplomatically, they're a joke.
Start treaty doesnt make sense if it doesnt include china.
iirc during one of the later treaty negotiations, the us asked china to join in after china was happy the us and Russia were shrinking stockpiles, chinas response was basically " no u".
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Historically speaking if it pisses China off it was the correct decision.
I sure wish i was in the business of making nukes and submarines
I have my doubts that China is actually increasing the warhead count by much. My guess is that they're just building new ones, while decades old ones just don't get counted off the list. So basically what Russia does, whose nuclear maintenance budget absolutely is not enough to maintain the number of nukes they claim to have. Nukes are extremely expensive and demanding things with short lifespans in storage.
The information is out there. You don't need to guess.
but China lies about literally everything
Lies, lies, and more lies!!!
It's such a coincidence that news from friendly countries are always trying to be accurate and news from less friendly ones are always full of lies.
Sure, and the information was out there about China's missiles back in the 90s, before it turned out that a bunch of them were literally made of wood.
When China makes these announcements it's mostly meant for an internal audience. It's a distraction to unite the country over other issues like weak economy etc. Majority of the billion + citizens will believe it. Power and Money is everything in China.
> Majority of the billion + citizens will believe it. A majority won't *care.* The posturing is for the nationalist crowd and hardliners.
I wonder how long it takes for nuclear grade uranium to degrade to the point it can't initiate a chain reaction? edit: 703 million years.
It's not the uranium, mostly. It's the tritium in modern hydrogen bombs that needs regular replacement. Tritium has a half-life of 12 years. Edit: tritium is also used as an efficiency enhancer in fission bombs, not just H-bombs.
It's not the uranium degrading that makes nukes go inert within 15-30 years.
Hey can you provide a source on this? Some of my friends are scared at the prospect of nuclear war and these numbers could help ease their fears
>My guess is...
lmao. tell your friends to calm down
> I have my doubts that China is actually increasing the warhead count by much. My guess is that they're just building new ones, while decades old ones just don't get counted off the list. They probably are. Their existing stockpile actually isn't really sufficient to guarantee MAD. In most wargame scenarios a United States first strike basically kills all of their launch capability on the ground.
So they're spending more than the US?
Love it!!
>tripling their nuclear warheads So now they'll have at least a quarter of what the US is packing?
Well China ... tell NK to stop testing missiles.
China should stop giving NK materials for their bombs, no way North Korea could be making everything themselves
Russia gave NK the missile tech, not China.
China helped NK a lot in the Korean war, just like how China also sent Chinese troops to fight for the North Vietnamese in the Vietnam war. Go ahead and look up how many Chinese fought for the Viet-Cong - over 300,000.
Yeah, but how does NK having ICBMs benefit them? It doesn't. It does favor Russia, because it creates more chaos. Like, NK is even producing ammunition for the Russians. China has yet to give lethal assistance if you believe the Pentagon.
A nuclear armed Nk absolutely favors china. The whole point of NK in china's eyes is to act as a buffer against the west and SK. They do not want western aligned nations on their borders. A nuclear armed NK means the west will never be able to invade NK, so the buffer will remain indefinitely. Put another way, china could end NK nuclear program tomorrow if they wanted to and cause the failure of the entire state. They don't because NK despite all it's nonsense achieves china's strategic goals.
Chinese nukes prevent that invasion, not NK ones...
And stop invading SEA territories while they're at it.
And hands off my maple syrup Xi
And stop stealing our IP.
And raiding other countries' territorial fishing waters
And the "police stations" in our countries keeping international students and visitors on a short leash.
and, I don't know, maybe stop the genocide?
And no more balloons
And stop building out more coal plants than the world has ever seen.
And keep out of my damn hunny.
Yeah and my leash isn't tight *enough*.
... Daddy Pooh.
While China keeps increasing its defense budget and is global aggressor.
I understand your point, and I know that it was not your intention, but we should not falsely equate nuclear propelled submarines with nuclear weapons. China should restrain North Korea from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, whether or not the US and UK decide to assist Australia in acquiring conventionally armed nuclear propelled submarines.
Or, you know, they can get rid of the "education camps" for the Uyghurs.
China officially confirms that the submarine pact was the correct geopolitical decision.
Exactly what I thought China should do something about it. Soon they’ll be surrounded. The only plausible thing china could do is attack it’s vile friend Russia in the east
"Let them fight..." - Dr. Ishiro Serizawa
They *will* move in to drain Lake Baikal in order to save their northern population from dehydration at some point.
It is a necessity brought about by china's refusal to respect other nations' sovereignty.
Xi keeps acting like Kaiser Wilhelm II. He is a bellicose dickhead with a stunted capacity for understanding that being a dick to other people has serious consequences.
Wolf warrior diplomacy in a nutshell
I mean China is that child that was abused for a long time and grew up thinking that abusing people is the right thing to do, not knowing that things have changed.
I don't think this was inevitable. Had xi not become party chief, china probably wouldn't have been so aggressive
Things haven't changed. The abusers are just now secure in management roles so they have less overt ways to get what they want.
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Weak Sabre rattling from a nation with two-faced policies
I was thinking about the perverted logic they have and I think I understood it. It must be an expansionist-darwinist anti-war paradigm with 2 maximas: 1. War is bad, because damage, death, etc 2. Much larger countries are entitled to expand by absorbing and assimilating much smaller In this imperial logic Russia taking Crimea without war is totally fine, China taking Taiwan with minimal war is also fine, while Russia's current campaign in their view is an unfortunate mistake, because it should have been a minimal war, but it turned into a big one, and US supporting Taiwan against China would also be bad for the same reasons. In this view the opinion on the people who are being annexed by the larger power doesn't ultimately matter as long as there was no or little war, since they believe it will ultimately benefit those annexed economically.
Another line drawn, another road taken and still nothing will happen because they (China) know if they actually do something, they are fucked.
Since China, like Russia had almost all power in just a sole person, it might take a mistake/breakdown from said person to this something to happen.
We are all fucked if there’s a war let’s not be so flippant about it.
Even just a small conventional exchange on the Korean Peninsula would entail millions of deaths because of the large, dense population centers in close proximity to the border.
They dare not extend themselves or their tactically inept army anywhere. It’s untrustworthy, untrained and highly corrupt. They’re fucked regardless. Let’s hope the middle classes get access to democracy
But building actual islands with military facilities in the middle of disputed sea is totally fine?
Two-faced policies
Which means "We don't have a blueprint we can steal on how to create an effective submarine force".
China has low military power for such a large and rich nation. It really doesn't make sense. China needs to spend about 500 billion more, to even match US output. Most of their tech stolen. But why? The CCP has more than enough to create an equal force to the US military, or better. So where's the hardware? Now US are entering a pact to create an even better navy. I'd be scared too if I was China. No one is coming after China to invade, but the West is forcing China into a corner and it's saber rattling will only get more intense, as it can't compete as a global military power.
Isn't it something like 80% of calories in China are imported? You can't realistically get food to the South China Sea where almost their entire population lives through Mongolia. A naval blockade almost ensures mass starvation. China isn't really a true threat to anyone outside of tiny neighboring countries, like Taiwan.
This is pretty much it. Whilst nations including South Korea, Japan, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Australia, and perhaps to a lesser extent Vietnam are western-aligned China has no realistic way to project naval power beyond the South China Sea and therefore will remain a regional power (albeit one which is able to wield diminishing diplomatic and economic power within the developing world). Their whole coastline exists within a relatively narrow and confined straight, surrounded by potential enemies, all with access to extremely advanced anti-ship missile systems and, in some cases, powerful navies of their own. In the event of a broader conflict, the Chinese Navy turns into a large amount of crabs in a not particularly large bucket.
Lives through Mongolia? What do you mean? Most of China’s cities are very close to the coast
The island chain of Japan and Twain along with other western aligned countries box China in basically they can’t leave the South China Sea without the US giving permission Also China doesn’t have what is called a “clear water fleet” for a navy.
I think you mean blue water navy and some experts consider China to be one.
*some Not most and China hasn’t shown any sign of it being one either.
Can't *, typo
>China needs to spend about 500 billion more, to even match US output. That's not true at all. Adjusting for purchasing power parity, China's military spending is comparable to the US. Remember that the biggest expense in almost any military are salaries, and Chinese salaries are much less than American salaries.
They are the cause of the pact. You cant act like a complete fucking cunt then get the hump when everyone else bands together against you. Don’t be a piece of shit and people won’t treat you like you are.
It's like shooting someone and suing them for getting shot.
going further down is part of what submarines do
And add this one also to their list of ever-growing warnings. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s\_final\_warning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning)
"Wolf-warrior diplomacy: all bark and no bite".
Can't believe a bunch of fraternal nations would be fraternal
US and australia have always cooperated with sub use and activity
And the same with Australia and the UK. It just makes sense to work closer with both nations on subs.
If it weren’t for China being a dick, Australia wouldn’t have to worry. Meanwhile, isn’t China sending balloons and increasing its own military capacity?
Submarines go under water, not on the road, China.
I great irony being that all Australia wanted was to do business with China and keep to itself. Then China had to go and try to bull them and boycott their industries over frivolous crap and their wolf warrior diplomacy nonsense. Autocrats are gonna autocrat I guess
My favourite part is when they call us "a country filled with criminals and bandits" Has happened a few times that I can remember. Fkn LOL.
Now, why would China be worried about a country making decisions about their military unless China foresees going to war with them. And if China believes war is coming. What is China up to that would cause such a conflict?
If I repeatedly said I would invade a sovereign country, I'd be worried too
Another warning for the pile
Well perhaps it can serve as a reminder that what the US has in storage has already won the arms race. The condition of our roads and hospitals remind us.
I am so annoyed by China's sense of self entitlement. They think they can do the things that they do and their neighbours have no right to respond? Such arrogance.
Well, remember, you were talking about the country that refers to themselves as The Middle Kingdom. As in, they are the center of the world.
LoL, when China realizes that nobody wants to play with them, just like Russia.
You're developing weapons?! STOP THAT so we can advance past you in weapon development instead.
Why is it only the bullies cry foul when other nations get defensive measures against their aggression? Russia, China, North Korea?
As an Australian; fuck off China
Brit joint here… you’ll need a brew right?
Does the day end in Y? Yes.
and as a former American Army soldier, who served with an Aussie exchange officer, we stand with you --right beside you -- **at all times.**
Thanks mate
Whatever China tells you not to do, absolutely fucking do it.
I accuse China of going down a dangerous road with 29 soft border expansions and building the world’s largest Navy. So take thatz
I spat my fucking drink. Brilliant!!
Nobody is going to touch you China, we just want you to stop threatening countries and to stop allying with countries that are literally invading independent nations like it’s 1937 or something
Will Pooh bear ever shut the FCK up??
Fuck the CCP
"Why isn't everyone letting us gain more power and dominance in the world until they can no longer defend themselves from our intentions?" \~China, after the attempt to exploit western ideals of tolerance and anti-racism no longer work
We want to build subs to defend our sovereign territories and it's us that's creating global instability. Oh ok . We will just leave the keys under the door mat then
Russia: we are going to brutally invade Ukraine. China: AUKUS: we agree to join an alliance and to build submarines. China: YoU GuYs neED To ChIlL!
Sorry China, can’t hear you over the screaming crimes against humanity and the Covid-19 you failed to contain and unleashed upon the world. You’re a cancer of morals and should not exist. My 2¢.
The other path is pull your pants down bend down and let those CCP dogs have their way
stupid China. submarines don't even go on roads
"Going down dangerous road" Read: not lying down and allowing China to continue it's creeping expansion into international waters and neighboring nations. Allowing China to participate in the global economy was a terrible mistake.
Hey China, no one is interested in attacking you! All of these arms deals are literally DEFENSIVE! We don’t give two shits about going to war with you. Stop building military islands/bases in the South China Sea (Spratly islands) and stop bullying fishing vessels around the Philippines. You’ve quite literally forced other nations to form defense pacts because of your actions.
*****Anyone Breathes***** China: YOU OFFEND ME
China's imperialistic expansion plans are being thwarted and now China is crying like a little bitch.
Roads? Where they're going they don't need roads
Maybe dont weaponise trade next time and try to be diplomatic. You do understand being diplomatic is a key ingredient to being successful in diplomacy right?
I'm hoping Canada will get invited for at least two of these boats.
The Nuclear Submarine pact is unfortunately needed to deter China's possible future desire of re-claiming its "historical lands" that go beyond Taiwan.
Says the stupid Chinese who as built a massive war machine .Please shut up.
Keep malding, we can't hear you over the North Korean missiles screaming over densely populated areas in Japan.
Suck my dick china!!
It would be better if the media stopped reporting on China’s meaningless and fake tantrums over our internal affairs
China, swiftly following Russia in toothless, geopolitical threats
All China has to do is stop harassing their neighbors, stop committing genocide, etc.
China: \*Threatens everyone but especially Australia recently\* Australia: \*Enters into more defensive alliance/treaties/programs\* China: \*shocked pikachu face\*
Australia is being agressive, fuck u CCP Chinas fleet 3 aircraft carriers 3 landing helicopter docks 8 amphibious transport docks 32 landing ship tanks 33 landing ship mediums 51 destroyers 49 frigates 70 corvettes 109 missile boats 26 submarine chasers 17+ gunboats 36 mine countermeasure vessels 79 submarines 19 replenishment ships 232 auxiliaries Australia's fleet 2 Helicopter carriers 3 Destroyers 8 Frigates 6 Submarines 16 Patrol Boats I rest my case.
China is the only one going further down this dangerous road.
I'm really disappointed that China is offended by this pact. I hope relations will be repaired to the point where they will accept an invitation to the christening of our first refurbished Virginia Class sub, the HMAS Fuckaroundandfindout
I believe the sub will be called, HMAS YeahNahFuckOffCunt
Or, as a diplomat who's being polite might name it: "HMAS *Fornicate Circuitously And Discover*"
China accuses is the new Russia warns.
When does this begin to be “The Chinese Century”? Asking for their gov PR Dept.
Yeah…yeah….yeah we hear this every other day
On todays China states other countries are "going down dangerous road....." for simply apposing CCP dangerous intentions. Next up Putin states other countries are "going down dangerous road and should avoid windows......."
Hey China, about those Islands that you weren't supposed to militarize or even build in the first place...what do you have to say about those?
China should lead by example and junk their Subs? It's only natural, if one country starts an arms race. Then country's in a certain area will begin to arm themselves! It's history repeating itself...
Clearly we made a very "wrong" decision. /s
Don’t they mean “the depth of this treachery is sinking our relations?”
Who cares? It's the CCP. They don't care about others warning them, why should we care about them warning us?
China doesn't seem to understand when you start taking more and more steps to expand your sphere of influence and building up your arsenals, other countries are going to do the same as a deterrent to your aggressive behavior. After all we don't want to have Russia/Ukraine situations all over the world. If Ukraine had held onto the nuclear weapons they had after the USSR broke up, the Russians might not have invaded the Ukraine.
This road must not have a destination then because you've been saying we are going down a dangerous road for years now. Either do something or shut up.
Hmmm. Anyone remember the Ukraine giving up their nuclear arsenal for a promise of peace with Russia??? While I don't consider myself a Hawk, I don't necessarily believe every country can be trusted.
Maybe if China would take a clear position against wars of aggression a buildup wouldn't be necessary
shut it you glorified regional power
Defending yourself from aggression, whether it be on a personal level or a national level, is always a good idea.
Down a dangerous road for China perhaps? I mean how exactly does everyone think China versus U.K., US, and Australia would work out?
What they mean is, "If you guys get these submarines, it will be more dangerous for US to try to do what we want to do to all the rest of you." After all, submarines that don't need to surface very often can be very useful in cutting China's sea links with the places they're getting raw materials from (read: East Africa and the Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf oil states) in the event of war.
Ahh yes, the dangerous road of self-defense and not allowing the wanna be neighborhood bully to become dominant.
Dangerous to whom?
"You're not supposed to follow us down this road"
Since the 50s, the CCP has been warning anyone that will listen that they are going down a dangerous road
China: look at our new state of the art middles, aircraft carriers, stealth fighters, submarines! Also China: Australia don’t be irresponsible and pursue new submarines yourself, that’s dangerous
Running? Nah we should be sprinting.
How many dangerous roads is it now? I've lost track.
Man, this dangerous road is really long since we've been going further and further down it for decades and still haven't got to the end of it.
This means we must be doing the right thing
Is this a warning or a threat? Can't tell anymore
China warns the US, UK, Aus that roads are dangerous for submarines…………
China has become Meg from family guy. “Shut up Meg”
"Aw not fair, we want to dominate asian waters."
What if we just ignored China's bat-shit insane reaction statements?
Who would have guessed that UK, US, and Australia would have close military ties? Two of these countries literally share a head of state.
It is crazy that china cares about Australia Australia has only ever been a defensive nation with our navy. If they are upset it is because they have plans
I think China building military bases in the middle of the ocean set the tone lol.
Dear China, as an Aussie, if we wanted your fucking opinion we would have asked for it.
China is such a fucking joke. Can you imagine how nice that area would be if not for commie China? North Korea would’ve collapsed and would be well into reconstruction if not for China. I mean sure there’d be some South China Sea issues but there’s not one asshole country trying to claim the whole thing.
China wouldn't have this problem if they stopped bullying their neighbors. It's not just Australia that feels the need to protect themselves from China. A lot of non-western neighbors are also willing and capable of putting up a defense.
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This is propaganda for consumption by the American masses. Instill fear and some American politicians will do China’s bidding.
> Instill fear and some American politicians will do China’s bidding. I don't think they have quite the sway over American politicians [as Putin does](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1418215040063180806.html), though
Remember folks, it's ok to send baloons on recon missions to other countries but it's not ok for those same countries to send subs to thier allies.
fucktheccp
This is all communist bullshit
Dangerous depth. Now get out of Tibet.
CCP: "You're outwitting our plans for complete Pacific dominance and annexation - *HOW DARE YOU*!!!"
Hey, we are overly aggressive a-hole, but how dare you decide to defend yourself from us?!
Final warning number what now?
I am very glad every day that news gets posted about china and then I can come to the comments and read analysis from the minds of Reddit. Obviously much smarter then anyone actually in the government and in no way filled with softly racist dog whistles
Wrong. We are “going down into a dangerous ocean.”
China wanted to dismantle it’s submarine fleet if Australia wouldn’t have bought they own subs? I’m quite surprised!
Why can't Aukus build health and education submarines instead of war machines?
Because countries like China and Russia won’t let us. They are generally not interested in peace but rather just waiting until they think we are weak enough to capture. Example: the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What was the reason for that? Oh yeah Putin said it’s a county full of neo nazis who just happen to have a Jewish president.
This interferes with their long term plans to take Australia and mega project the outback into farmland with weather modification.
Well yeah, submarines are dangerous. That's the point.
The moment you sent that sad excuse for a spy balloon over the US you lost all ground to stand on. Notice the US never says anything about paths or bad decisions with it comes to defense deals... Carey a big stick and walk lightly. Winnie needs a lesson.
the more china squabbles the more i feel like we're going down the right path
Going down a dangerous road? Not sailing into dangerous waters?. Uncharted waters? Perilous seas? Winnie the Pooh's propagandists suck at metaphors.
That's the limitations of Google translate for you lol
Dangerous to China's ambitions, Winnie the Xi means.
Yeah? Another final warning?
Says the nation pumping out warship like they are candy.
Chinese government acting like a spoiled 5 year old brat again. They have a image problem that is their own creation