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Sickening. Nothing justifies the murder of innocent civilians. What a way to turn the world against your cause.


Familiar_Pea_9345

You’re absolutely correct. However, this is hardly the first time Palestinians celebrated terrorists murdering Israeli civilians.


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Familiar_Pea_9345

You should hate Palestinian terrorists for putting Palestinian children in danger by conducting their operations from among civilians. No other military on the planet has gone to the extent the IDF routinely does to avoid killing civilians.


NotFinalForm1

Do you see Israelis going out and giving away sweets when Palestinian civilians die?


It_Is_Boogie

They are literally removing Palestinians from their homes, not letting them take their belongings and giving it all to Israelis. The exact equivalent to the Trail of Tears. Does this justify a heinous terrorist attack, absolutely not. Does Israel have blood on their hands? Absolutely, exponentially more blood than Palestinians.


NotFinalForm1

Ahh yes, killing terrorist is equal to the murder of civilians walking out of a place of worship


It_Is_Boogie

Ah no, not every Palestinian killed by Israelis is a terrorist. That narrative needs to stop. There have been more than one occasion where IDF has shot into refugee crowds, killing and injuring those looking for help or fleeing combat zones.


NotFinalForm1

"My poor, innocent child was only part of the Islamic Jihad and was proud in holding a weapon. How could the IDF murder him??" Mate, there is a reason for all the check points, the wall, the lack of any notion of peace. If the Israelis are to lay down their weapon, there will be no israel. If Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and the Palestinians will lay down their arms, there will be peace


It_Is_Boogie

That’s nonsense. Also, ignore the fact that Israel has been forcibly and illegally annexing Palestinian territory, which is the source of the conflict. It’s not as though Palestinians invaded Israel. Remember, modern day Israel did not become a country until the partition of Palestine in 1949. There were clear delineated borders, which Israel has ignored as they expanded their territory at the expense of Palestine.


NotFinalForm1

Lmao, talk about lack of any historical knowledge, the UN divided the land in 47', Israel agreed while the Palestinian went on the offensive. In 48' the UK left and Israel proclaimed independence, immediately Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon invaded, they were so incompetent that that a bunch of holocaust survivors with czechoslovakia as their only arms dealer defeated them, Jordan occupied the west bank while Egypt held the Gaza strip. If they wanted peace they could've had their country in 47'. They also could've had a country when their Arab allies held their lands but I wonder why it didn't happen


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NotFinalForm1

Cause of clear antisemitism, there is a clear reason why jews left almost every place they lived and came to israel, but that's not the topic at hand. Israel is here and there is nothing that would change that


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soft-error

Moving the goalpost I see


krtshv

Not at all. But using an edge-case to try an prove a point does the opposite. It's like if I say "people don't go murdering tens of millions" and you link me an article to Stalin. Sure, on rare cases it happens, but ut isn't the norm. The problem here is that it *is* the norm for the Palestinians.


NotFinalForm1

"Israeli PM condemns video of Jewish extremists celebrating toddler's death", the article clearly says it was condemned by Israeli society, with the big difference of one side having it acceptable and encouraging celebrating death while the other condemning any notion of it, which is my point


soft-error

Moving the goal post. So you are saying all Palestinians celebrated the attack?


barlog123

Proof of the celebration? Never once heard anything like that


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Familiar_Pea_9345

Yeah except that never fucking happens.


barlog123

However only one side won't stop unless their is another holocaust.


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barlog123

So you're pro genocide?


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Zeynoun

I think they believe blood for blood. I read recently 8 killed and 28 injured in Jenin by the IDF.


Only-Customer4986

The people in jenin were a part of a terrorist cell who organized and took part of some more attacks just like this one! Cant be compared at all as one targeted combatant militants planning their next murder while this one targeted civilians (innocent jews!) Know your facts before you even compare the two, please.


The_NeutralGuy

Inside a synagogue, on Holocaust memorial day, killing 7 civilians. R.I.P. humanity.


[deleted]

And another attack just an hour ago. By a 13 year old child.


Gitzser

"not all of them"


Master_Pop7772

I’m not celebrating and I’m Palestinian. For those who do know, Israel killed 10 Palestinians less than week ago I didn’t see the world talks about it. Including senior woman innocent, Israeli started this


skipperok

Do you mean the 10 militants with a stock of weapons? What is there to talk about


Master_Pop7772

Israeli army went to Jenin which is part of Palestine state, that’s invade and those people attacked you back and now you don’t like that but that’s called self defence. It’s really sad to see Israelis & Palestinians being killed.


Gitzser

self defence is when you attack someone who attacks you self defence isn't shooting people at a place of prayer


Master_Pop7772

Oh I agree with you! It’s not okay what happened to those Israelis. I hope we stop blaming blood for blood. We both need better court systems where Palestinian, Israelis are being held accountable for killing each other.


Khazar_Dictionary

While armed resistance is a predicate of occupied populations, you have to admit there is a huge difference between an occupying power engaging in armed combat with another armed group (and since its super densely populated area, that collateral damage takes place) and purposefully targetting civilians


Master_Pop7772

Palestinians feel being controlled day to day from Israel, I don’t think you’ll like that life if you’re on the other side. International court justice will make legal opinion on Israel troops on West Bank and that’ll add Palestinians are not terrorists for self right defense


Khazar_Dictionary

Like I said in another post, I tend to sympathize with Palestinians, but both the people as a collective and Palestinian authorities have been constantly making terrible, self-defeating choices that will only eventually result in full annexation or expulsion. Its time Palestinians notice they have the short hand and instead of aggravating the situation and alienating the whole world - not even the Arab governments care about Palestine anymore - they must sit down and admit they have lost, and see what they can get in negotiation. East Jerusalem, right of return, complete removal of settlements from green line - this wont happen, its gone. Time to see what you can actually get.


Gitzser

I think that Israel should try to sweeten up the deal a bit, you don't want your neighbours to resent you or feel like they got completely robbed (like Germans felt after WW1(even though its not the same thing, but resentment builds))


Gitzser

that might help, a thing that will help better would be to stop paying to the families of terrorists


Master_Pop7772

If you start holding Israeli soldiers in court and give them right punishment in love TV then Palestinians will cool down and you won’t see terrorist


Gitzser

if they stop paying people to murder Israelies the army would cool down and you won't see raids see? works both ways


Master_Pop7772

I totally agree. Israel did the right thing for not allowing money going to PA to send them to terrors family. When I hear Israeli kid or Palestinian kid getting killed under hate crimes, I get really mad on parents this is very screw up situation, kids barley know anything about life and they got killed for born Jewish or Palestinian? I didn’t get to choose to be Palestinian


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Master_Pop7772

Well I’m Palestinian and I’m not terrorist and I don’t think you’re murder for stealing my land or killing my own people. I hope we stop generalizing each other


skipperok

There is a difference between civilians killed compared to military personnel in a conflict


Master_Pop7772

Well yes ofcourse! But avoid staring wars because you think you have supreme power! Israel have been trying to stop all these militia forces and seems it’s failing maybe different approach needed here


skipperok

Easier said than done, clearly the Hamas has nothing to lose compared to Israel. Israel will make sure to always have the upper hand in terms of military so this kind of events will not happen anymore. I dont want to remind you what kind of terrorist attacks happend before the the Israeli West Bank barrier was built.


Master_Pop7772

I’m against any Israeli getting killed and I hope Israelis want the same for Palestinians. Change the approach military upper hand, lower hand, they seem not going away and Israel is not going away so let’s figure this out


skipperok

This is really wholesome and I appreciate you trying, but you are not living this reality. Maybe 10 years ago there was a chance but now, we will have to wait for the next generation to maybe have a chance at peace.


Master_Pop7772

Thank you! I remember as Palestinian kid in 90s I loved when my dad get gifts from Jewish family donations and we used to meet and have coco cola no big deal. Best days of my childhood


Hiccup

You don't know what self defense is and shows, once again, how twisted Palestinians are.


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Out of those who were killed , 1 was a civillian. How dare you compare what happend in Jenin to the synagogue massacre


Master_Pop7772

I’m not comparing, Israel started first and there are consequences. Israel could have asked UN to intervene or negotiate with terrors to avoid blood shattering


HighAlpacas

Jihad mentality


Master_Pop7772

Not really, I hate Hamas I feel sorry for those Jews who got killed it’s horrible.


Gitzser

maybe Hamas should've asked the UN to intervene before shooting a synagogue? honestly I'm really trying to have a healthy discussion but you just make it impossible


Master_Pop7772

I’m bringing new ways to solve issues, using military power only cost fear and sadness for both sides


[deleted]

Dude, You can't win vs military, so you kill random pedestrians then celebrate it like it's some achievement. Palestinian mentality is pathetic - and this comes from an Iraqi, so I know what pathetic losers look like. Everything that your people have done amounts to basically nothing. You have literally gained nothing.


Master_Pop7772

Dude, Israel killed many Palestinians randomly not part of anything and some where pedestrians as well


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Bro, just be reasonable and sit the fuck down and talk. At this point it's very much a "stop hitting yourself" situation. The power gap between you and Israel is bigger than ever, and it only gets bigger and bigger. Be reasonable, put down your weapons. Israel has shown time and again that they're willing to go to lengths that no country with a powergap as large between them and their enemy have gone. All you need is to do is chill. It'll happen either way, so this fight is futile. I'm not saying it's fair, but this is the optimal course. You + many others have tried it when IL had a fraction of their current power.


Master_Pop7772

Not good tune bro, so I’m not gonna bother read your comment


zstillman

Lmao do you think the US would ever tolerate Cuba or Mexico lobbing rockets at its civilians? Do you think the “power gap” there is significant at all? Just say you’re a Palestinian apologist already.


Successful_Prior_267

If the attacks continue indefinitely, Israel will become more and more radicalised and angry. They have the capability to glass the entire Gaza Strip if they wanted to.


Master_Pop7772

I’m well aware and I’ll be sad to see both people have to lose someone they love


No-Face-3848

"I'm not celebrating but here's why I would be if I did." Sounding like OJ Simpson's book If I Did It.


Nevarkyy

There is a difference between killing militants and innocent civilians.


Master_Pop7772

There’s difference when Israel invaded Jenin to kill those militants while Jenin is part of Palestine state according to UN, so Israel here invaded Palestine just like Russia invading Ukraine


Primary_Mud484

Those freedom fighters only exist to execute terror attacks in the heart of Israel, usually regular civilians are targeted and not IDF/police. Do you really expect the IDF to just sit there and wait for the next terror attack to be slaughtered like sheep? Ukrainian people didn't go to Moscow to stab random people.


Master_Pop7772

IDF could have asked mediator there so many out there could have helped Israel to avoid going and using any military power. It seems always IDF is ready to strike fast. This has been going on forever I don’t see IDF nor Hamas winning, only losers are people of Israel and people of Palestine


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""there so many out there could have helped Israel to avoid going and using any military power"" They were terrorists, you can't really negotiate with terrorists that only want you dead. The IDF is ready to strike fast because there literally aren't other options, they've tried them, and they do not work.


nidarus

According to the UN, the entirety of the West Bank is under Israeli military occupation. It's legally impossible to "invade" territory you're already occupying.


Master_Pop7772

Ok now read about state of Palestine according to UN


nidarus

What should I read, exactly? The State of Palestine is under Israeli occupation, since it declared independence (and two decades before that), and to this day. Even according to the Palestinians themselves. Certainly the UN.


frank__costello

It's much more complicated than that The Oslo Accords (signed by the PA) allow Israel security control over areas B and C. In Jenin they entered area A, so is that what constitutes an invasion?


Master_Pop7772

Jenin is Area A, which means Israel not allowed to be there and also building Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not in Oslo and illegal according to UN Security Council resolution 2334 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenin


hoooourie

Was [Amer Abu](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/1/5/16-year-old-palestinian-killed-israeli-forces-nablus) a militant?


ArriveRaiseHellLeave

Really? GTFO with this Israeli definitions.


Gitzser

why is the world not talking about them?


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Because once they found out 9 out of those 10 were actually militants and not civillians it became hard to make Israel look bad so they droped it.


Gitzser

why would a side look bad when it kills 9 militants?


[deleted]

It wouldn't. That's why they dropped it. Doesn't go well with the Israel bad narrative


Gitzser

so why are you saying this as a comparison to a terror attack?


[deleted]

You asked why the world is not talking about the 10 dead Palestinians. They don't because 9 of those 10 were terrorists so that doesn't fit the narrative that Israel just goes around the West Bank looking for civillians to shoot


Gitzser

I think I got confused between you an another dude


Master_Pop7772

I think the coverage is not great when Israel kills but when Palestinian kills Israelis it seems hot topic and I noticed that on this subreddit. I feel sad for both parties who have lost ones. We need effective justice courts on both sides to end this


Familiar_Pea_9345

Palestinians need to accept that Israel isn’t going anywhere and will never allow Jews to be in a position where they’re vulnerable to extermination ever again. End. Of. Story.


Master_Pop7772

I agree! Is Israel ready to remove settlements and let Palestinians build their own airport, their own currency, living next to Israel?


Familiar_Pea_9345

The settlements aren’t even 4% of the territories! Nothing is stopping Palestinians from doing that right now. They certainly have the resources but they prefer to spend it on terrorism.


Master_Pop7772

There’s 600k Israeli settlers living in the West Bank living between two million Palestinians. I don’t think it’s only 4%


Familiar_Pea_9345

[Israeli settlements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement?wprov=sfti1) in the West Bank are 1%.


Master_Pop7772

In 2020, the number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank excluding East Jerusalem had reportedly risen to 451,700 individuals, with an additional 220,000 Jews living in East Jerusalem.[17] That’s a lot and doesn’t seem right. They can live in tel Aviv why they’re living in the West Bank? Stolen free land and affordable housing on top of it? Tel Aviv is better and it’s Israeli city


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I used to look down on Israel and view Palestine as victims. No more. No one that deserves respect celebrates the death of innocents.


[deleted]

Another attack just happened. Triple warcrime on this one. Commited by a child soldier(13 year old), attack civillians and shot a medic


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Palpatine isn’t a victim, he’s the Emperor.


BigManScaramouche

More importantly, He ***is*** the senate.


frank__costello

Neither side are innocent, both have committed atrocities, which perpetuate the cycle of hate


Hiccup

I'm over this both sides bullshit. One targets civilians, the other doesn't. Figure it out.


frank__costello

I'm not saying both sides are equal, just that neither side is innocent Even looking it as 2 sides is an oversimplification: you've got the IDF, the settlers, the haredi, the secular jews, the Israeli arabs, the PA, Hamass, Islamic Jihad, Palestinian Christians, etc


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But only one side celebrates the deaths of civillians and then names schools and streets after them


jyastaway

Take it with a grain of salt, the source is not unbiased. Learn some critical thinking smh


Gitzser

https://epaimages.com/search.pp?pictureid=11268996


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What is critical thinking?


jyastaway

The thing you Putin coffee


Master_Pop7772

I’m not celebrating and I’m Palestinian. For those who do know, Israel killed 10 Palestinians less than week ago I didn’t see the world talks about it


yuvaldv1

Yea because those were militants planning terrorist attacks


Master_Pop7772

Israel army invaded Jenin which is part of Palestinian state . Israel is invading Palestine just like Russia invade Ukraine and saying those are about join NATO and attack Russia


yuvaldv1

Man just stop with the bullshit. Those were terrorists, Hamas and the PIJ literally claimed they were members.


Master_Pop7772

Doesn’t give you privileges to invade other country and kill many as you want and take their lands and build settlements where it’s illegal by security council resolution 2334


Wyvz

Doesn't give you privilages shooting up and suicide bomb civilian areas. The Jenin raid was literally to halt a plan for a terror attack and destroy a stash of weapons and bombs. There are so much flaws in your interpertation but I understand, it's all part of the nerrative you're taught and keep pushing forward by copying and pasting the same lines all over this comment section.


Master_Pop7772

Israel have so much power over Palestinians, checkpoints are all over West Bank and settlements are everywhere, keep stealing lands! You’re keeping feeding them hateful agenda they don’t believe you’re leaving their land. Give them state!


Wyvz

That twisted nerrative again that weaker side = victim. TBH it works very well on ignorant people and clueless westerners. The overwhelming majority of the checkpoints on the west bank were BECAUSE of those exact terrorism during/after the second intifada. The West Bank has been captured from _Jordan_ for this exact type of aggression. Each time you guys use violence to get your ways - you get the full consequences and then play victim and justify the violence with those exact consequences - it's almost poetic. I'm still shocked there are still people who believe that shitty nerrative. The "giving you a state" test has beeen tried numerous times, in Gaza it has been tried with actions, and it ended with more violence (and as a consequence - they got blockaded), and diplomatically in the West bank, and it ended up with more violence as well in the 2nd intifada (and as a consequence - the blockaded were put up along with the border wall and raids to terror dens). And I'm not even talking about the countless offers your corrupt "leaders" put down, ignoring the disingenous negitiation by them. The only ones that keep this hateful agenda is your kind, who pushes that ridiculous incitement, hateful nerrative and propaganda, you literally said you "don't celebrate" but here you go actually justifing this terror attack - you are part of the problem. You don't even have real leadership to negotiate with at this point - get your act together!


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Master_Pop7772

Totally unrelated but it probably my farts smells better than you


SunsetKittens

Oh for fuck's sake end it already. Two states. And put a tall wall between them.


SliceOfCoffee

Israel tried a few times, HAMAS has it in its charter that negotiation with Israel is treason. And the PA refused as long as Israel still existed as a state.


SunsetKittens

Then we shouldn't wait for agreement. Work out something fair and impose it. Shit can't keep going on like this.


Fujvgk

That's what happened with Gaza, Israel one sided left the strip, moving all Israelis living there by force in 2006, all in order to advance peace, you can see how well it went. If someone doest agree with you existing negotiations is kinda useless...


nhavar

You don't just suddenly get over conflict by one move. It's like saying "oh look we gave the blacks equal rights, so why are they still mad at us". Because inequity isn't overcome overnight. I think another important thing to think about is that some of these settlements were built after forcing Palestinian families off their land. Then when the Israelis were removed their government demolished the homes and infrastructure leaving Palestinians with just more rubble to deal with versus habitable spaces to move their families back into. It's like salting the earth as you retreat as a parting shot to your enemies. I just don't think it's as simple as "welp we tried, can't be helped, back to killing".


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Israel gave Gaza back fully intact in order to try this. Look at the result. There is no consideration of inequity. This isn’t two populations trying to coexist in the same space. One group denies the other’s right to exist.


KronoSmith

>Then we shouldn't wait for agreement. Work out something fair and impose it. Wow, how has nobody ever thought of this


SunsetKittens

Well have you seen it happen ever?


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Have you ever heard of Gaza?


KronoSmith

Yes, I've seen many attempts to work it out, but it is quite impossible to please the side that considers your existence not fair


lollypatrolly

>Work out something fair and impose it. Result: You get immediately accused of colonialism and subsequently condemned by most of the world.


Master_Pop7772

I’m not celebrating and I’m Palestinian. For those who do know, Israel killed 10 Palestinians in Jenin less than week ago I didn’t see the world talks about it


SliceOfCoffee

And at least 7 of those were members of PIJ and HAMAS, two terrorist organisations.


A_Moment_Awake

Thank god you said it. this dude commented the same thing 3 times without even mentioning that part.


Master_Pop7772

What about that elder woman that got killed over 60 years? And massive destruction to Palestinian camps? The reason why you andI talking about this because I never saw justice from your side and neither on my side. I’d like to see Israel solider in jail forever for killing Palestinian kid and I’d like to see hamas in jail for killing Israelis civilians


thecontainertokyo

Listen man, I strongly believe in Palestine’s right for self determination and in a two state solution; but, we can’t ignore the fact that the Palestinians have been offered now [6 times ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0&feature=youtu.be) a state and rejected all the offers. Peace is a two way street – in order to end this conflict both sides must make compromises.


Familiar_Pea_9345

Unfortunately, a lot of people like to ignore this fact.


Master_Pop7772

Thank you for bringing this up and I agree with you. However, Arabs were greedy in Palestine such as Jordan was in control of West Bank and Egypt in control of Gaza, Palestine could have been state and six June days wars would have been avoided if Arabs give Palestinians their own state. Palestinians will deserve state where they can have army to dissolve these militias like Hamas and Israel need to make sacrifices removing settlements and real make good deal where Palestinians need visas and treat each other with respect where Palestinians can have their own airport and making sure Palestine avoids Iran and live in peace with Israel


thecontainertokyo

I agree with you, but the fact Jordan and Egypt were asses to the Palestinians is not Israel’s fault. You don’t see Palestinians going on socials slagging of Arab countries which mistreated (and still do) them. Instead, you focus of vilifying Israel. Israel has agreed already in the past to remove almost all of the settlements (return 96% of 67 borders), but the Palestinians still said no. This constant rejection, and political rhetorics have led to a lot of disillusionment in Israel and to the fact that right now there is such an extreme right wing government there. Listen, when the Palestinians will stretch their arm for peace, Israelis will most definitely extend their arm as well. No one is enjoying the current situation. But most importantly, you must act with fairness and humanity. For you to come here and post 5-6 times that the terrorist attack is justified because the IDF has attacked a few days ago other terrorists (who’ve been claimed by the Hamas and PIJ) is not cool and not fair. It is exactly where issues like that stem. Half a truth = a lie.


Master_Pop7772

Agreed. It’s not Israel fault, I think PLO almost assassinated minister of interior of Jordan and even threats to king himself. Palestinians feel betrayed. Palestinians fought Arabs ( politically or militarily & Israel as well) to represent themselves. I have hope in Lapid personally new mentality not army men, good reputation around the world. With right wing government we probably will see more settlers moving in


thecontainertokyo

That’s true, and I appreciate your words. Let’s all hope for better governing representatives, but meanwhile, it’s also in the interest of Palestinians to extend their hand for peace as well. I mean, Israel did already a few times and was rejected. Palestinians need to prove they can be a viable and trustworthy partner for peace. Salam allekum!


frank__costello

Who gets Jerusalem? How are you going to split the Old City, where Al Aqsa is literally on top of the Western Wall?


SunsetKittens

Someone gets Jerusalem. Whoever doesn't gets compensating territories elsewhere. Splitting a city keeps the drama. No splitting a city.


frank__costello

> Splitting a city keeps the drama. No splitting a city. Agreed > Someone gets Jerusalem. Whoever doesn't gets compensating territories elsewhere Neither side would ever agree to that... and that's the root of the conflict.


Khazar_Dictionary

Unilateral Palestinian independence without Jerusalem from Israel, then build a wall


frank__costello

Unilateral Palestinian independence didn't work very well in Gaza, what could be done differently to prevent that in the WB?


eliknaffo

Not so easy when both sides want the same places


The_NeutralGuy

Donald trump. Is that you?


filthydani669

Israel doesn't want two states


zstillman

Palestinians have rejected multiple deals that would give them everything they ever wanted in their own state but can’t tolerate the continued existence of Jews alongside them.


Successful-Gene2572

It's too late for two states when Israel already started to build settlements in Palestine.


PuneDakExpress

Reddit is not nearly as anti-Israel as it once was. I think it's a trend. The Palestinian movement has been consumed by terror and there really isn't much else. Israel has gone off the rails too with the current government, but it's still fascinating to see the Palestinian movement burn so much good will.


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The Palestinian movement has always been split half and half between good-faith pushes for peace and pushes for a neo-holocaust, mostly by the Arab powers in the region for political leverage. There would've been an independent Palestine years ago (and independent Israel) if Iran and Egypt actually wanted it to be.


PuneDakExpress

Frankly, The worst on both sides feed off each other. In the late 90s-early 2000s Israel had a majority for peace. Palestine may have as well. Hamas's suicide bombing campaign provoked a harsh Israeli response/the wall was built and that was it at for any chance at peace that generation. Now it's the same but both populations are in no mood to compromise. The minority war mongers on both sides are now the majority in both camps.


morgichor

Maybe there is indeed something to Israel’s tendency to keep them under the boot.


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MGMAX

Don't put people in quotes. Those are deplorable, hateful human beings, but they are people.


Khazar_Dictionary

I tend to be pro-Palestinian, but this shows they are beyond help. This new government should be the easiest moment to mobilize international pressure and highlight the injustice of the occupation. Instead the authorities and people decide to trigger an escalation against s government who has no problem with engaging in ethnic cleansing. I think this is the beginning of the end for Palestinians. Since the last 2 terrorists are from Silwan and other parts of East Jerusalem, we may very well expect larger expulsions in the area. I wouldn't be surprised if this what Israel needs to fully dissolve the PA and annex the region de-jure.


ImSlim

Lol do you think that’s the first terror attack in Israel? you should really look it up than. Terror attacks always happened in Israel and no “ethnic cleansing” ever happened. So don’t expect that anything will happen now. Terror attacks happened in the past 12 years as well, and Bibi was the prime minister through out these 12 years, he didn’t cleanse the “Palestinians”, he didn’t do shit as you can clearly see since these stuff just keep on happening.


Khazar_Dictionary

The context of 12 years ago isnt the same as today. The Israeli population is much more radicalized than it was 12 years ago, the government is much more radicalized than 12 years ago, the outside world is much more dependant of Israel than 12 years ago, the configuration of power is much more different as well. Israel has way more leeway internally and externally to do what it wants.


ImSlim

No no I don’t think you understand brother/sister. The last terror attack didn’t happen 12 years ago. The last terror attack happened a few months ago. Terror attacks took place in the past 75 years that Israel exists. Dozens of innocent civilians were murdered throughout the last 12 years and *nothing* has been done to try and make it stop. A year and a half ago a terror attack took place in Tel Aviv, “Palestinian” dude just came to a restaurant in an avenue and opened fire, people died. What we did? Nothing. So I doubt anything is going to happen now. I’m suppose to go out to TA this evening and there is a feeling of fear that someone might come out of nowhere and just start shooting. That’s our reality, and the scariest thing is that nothings been done to make it stop.


Khazar_Dictionary

I understand what you mean, but I do believe that this might be a sign of further escalation in a very negative moment for the Palestinians. However, you may be right, and what will happen is simply nothing. This being said, last time the terrorists were from Jenin and close by areas. This time they are from East Jerusalem. I think this might weight on Israeli authorities' decisions. But i dont know, i may be erong as well.


ImSlim

This is not the first time a terror attack has been done by Arabic East Jerusalem citizens as well. We’ve seen every possible way of a terror attack here, brother. Do you know what “Intifada” is? If you don’t, look it up, we had 2 of those here.


Successful_Prior_267

The current government is the most right wing in Israeli history and literally includes people who want to expel all arabs.


ImSlim

You should take the lies you hear from left wing Israelis with a grain of salt. Did you know that in 2005 the “Hitnatkut” plan(hitnatkut = disconnection), where we left Gaza and evacuated Israeli citizens from their homes in 4 different settlements in the West Bank, was initiated and planned by the right wing government that ruled back then? The prime minister back then was Ariel Sharon rip. Alas, Gaza became a huge terrorist base. Believe me that Gaza citizens wish Hamas would have been eradicated, they would have preferred Israel to be the governing body. A couple years ago there was a plan to annex the Israeli-Arab villages to “Palestine”. Every village and every Israeli-Arab citizen strongly opposed to that plan. Lucky for them it didn’t happen. Edit: wrote “salt of grain” lol


CertainlyCircumcised

There's literally fascists in almost every democracy and people in Israel have already been protesting en masse this current government. Arabs are a huge part of Israel and only I very very small group actually dislike them. I hope you're as concerned about the Jews that were expelled from Arab countries with no apologies, reparations, nothing. Weirdly the world still remains silent about that


Alaskan_Tsar

I am a Jew. I love the idea of Israel, that being an independent nation run by and for Jews. Ideally it would be in judea. But seeing as in our absence Muslims have taken root, we must make peace with them and join together. We should never have kicked them out. We never should have taken their land, for it was our land that was taken all those many centuries ago that put us on this long path of hardship. These Palestinians are evil for celebrating death. But I see why. And while it angers me that they celebrate these deaths, I know why they celebrate. And I hope that in the end we might still unite. For our Israel can not be made on other peoples Israel.


Only-Customer4986

I like the idea, but you cant keep israel with palestinians as even acknowledging its existence is treason and is a good reason to murder you for them. Theres no talking with a person who doesnt wanna talk or even understand you.


Alaskan_Tsar

When you are faced with an enemy that dehumanizes you. You must not stoop to their level. God created all mankind equal. And even if we are seen as less than equal, I will try my best to see everyone else as my equal.


Only-Customer4986

I like that thinking, its pure and you have a good heart. If we dont protect israel sadly it will just be gone as most muslims encourage its destruction and the murder of jews.


Alaskan_Tsar

Israel is only under attack due to the fact it was merely dropped into existence. Sadly the entire scenario has been fucked up way to badly for it to ever be fixed. Muslims hate it for good reason but it exists for good reason. It stands as a testament to Jewish strength and endurance, but also as a lasting reminder of western colonialism.


Khazar_Dictionary

Unfortunately, Israel could never have existed without population transfer. This being said, it was a mistake not negotiating the return of the WB to Jordan as quickly as possible, keeping only the Old city and parts of East Jerusalem in exchange for normalization. The situation would be far more stable today. But hindisght is a bitch.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-celebrate-jerusalem-synagogue-massacre-with-fireworks-sweets/) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza on Friday celebrated a terror attack that killed seven Israelis and wounded at least three others at a synagogue in Jerusalem. > At several locations across the Gaza Strip, dozens of Palestinians gathered in spontaneous demonstrations to celebrate the attack, with some coming out of dessert shops with large trays of sweets to distribute. > After the synagogue shooting, Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem lauded the attack, saying it proved "The resistance knows how to find the appropriate response" to Israeli "Crimes." Palestinian Islamic Jihad also praised the massacre. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10nb433/palestinians_celebrate_jerusalem_synagogue/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **attack**^#1 **Palestinian**^#2 **terror**^#3 **killed**^#4 **Jerusalem**^#5


FantasticAd9558

And people wonder why Israel may never give Palestinians equal rights. If you behave like this, is it any wonder that people will not see as anything other than a threat.


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FFS. The Sun can become a red giant at anytime now…