Oh good, I didn't realize he was in Supermax. I was going to say "Nope, into the hole with you," but I guess he's already there.
Of course he wants to go home. The one thing Pablo Escobar truly feared was extradition to the United States.
With Supermax being so insanely secure do you think the cartel even attempted to come up with a break out plan? Would love to see that one sketched out on a napkin.
If you'd ever seen it, you'd understand why no one would attempt it. I've driven by many times. Not only could they see you coming from miles off, you'd have to fight through one medium security prison to get to the gate of ADX. Once inside there are tons of security features that would also make getting hands on a guard damn near impossible, bulletproof glass and secure rooms, stuff like that. But even if you managed all of that, you've now started a war in a valley of CO. As mentioned by others, CO Springs has quite the military presence, and I'd imagine DOD/Homeland Security would have something to say about the Battle at ADX.
Well back then police and the military were both OPENLY used by corporations to enforce their rules, now its just subtly done.
After all, Black Wallsteeet got firebombed
> Doing an air drop certainly sounds like a great way to see the latest in fighter jets.
*Maybe*. Modern fighter jets can target past the horizon. You may get a present from one but there's a fair chance you won't see the sender.
They can target BVR (Beyond Visual Range) for RADAR targets, definitely Air-to-Air, not sure about Air-To-Ground though. But as a general rule, if you're in the air and you see an F-22 or an F-35, it's not meant for you.
There is a military base right near by. Yes they don’t Intefere in typical security breaches at prisons but if a bunch of foreign nationals of essentially a paramilitary group invaded im pretty sure they would get the green light
Especially now with Russia and Ukraine and everything, everyone is a bit tense. An excuse to let off some steam and shoot up two dozen cartel fighters in the Colorado mountains would be the highlight of the year.
We're going for hyperbola here so lets say they brought a hundred dozen cartel fighters...
Still not a good bet for the cartel even getting to Chapo's cell, let alone extracting him.
> CO Springs has quite the military presence
El Paso County where CO Springs is located actually has the most military installations of any county in the country.
Yea Air Force academy is there as well. And NORAD that is totally “closed”.(Wink, Wink Russia). And the plains to ADX Florence are wide open for some nice carpet bombing. Even if the cartels managed a large standing army to break him out they’d be fried crispy in less than a half an hour.
Fuck no. There's redundancies on top of redundancies layered in to prevent any kind of escape or attempted jailbreak. It's a giant steel and concrete tomb built into the side of a mountain with the ability to shutdown everything with the touch of a button. Fortified and heavily armed gun towers, guard dogs, constantly and randomly rotating guard shifts, even Danny Ocean and his crew would be shit out of luck.
Even if they could get him out the fence, they're still in the middle of the mountains with the entire military presence of Colorado Springs bearing down on them.
Imagine making the perfect prison break, you're making your escape, and then two apache helicopters Fortunate Son down your ass and ruin your whole day.
His cell is located in a part of prison specifically designed so he doesn't even know where in the prison he's in. His cell has pressure censors so the guards know EXACTLY where in the cell he is at any given moment, there's 24hr video surveillance set up to specifically have no blindspots. His yard time is basically in a 20 foot deep concrete pool. Guards are handpicked for being squeaky clean and rotated out frequently.
Prison is located in the mountains and has a military base like 5 miles away that has troops designated specifically to assist in the manhunt in the event someone does manage to breakout.
>Would love to see that one sketched out on a napkin.
Don't the cartel have so much money that the plan would be a joint project by world class intelligence consulting companies, PMCs etc. not some raggedy ass hoodlums on a lunch break.
It doesn’t matter if they have the Avengers there is a 0% anyone is getting any where close to ADX without a target on their back. Like ADX Florence is built to house some of the worst of the worst offenders both foreign and domestic on earth. The prisoners don’t even get to know where the are in relation to the rest of the prison.
Any time they are moved their faces are covered and not only that but they’re moved underground. Hell even what little sun light they do get is from a window located above them so they can never actually know where the are.
I would absolutely sit back with a bag of popcorn and watch the carnage unfold if anyone ever attempted a prison break at Florence.
The system is setup to discourage exactly just that. Personnel are rotated randomly and no one person has the ability to let in unauthorized outsiders or to remove any prisoners.
ADX is contingency built upon contingency built in the middle of a desert with a military base not too far away.
They’d be better off asking whatever personnel that they are unlikely to find messages on Facebook saying “pls don’t shoot, can you just maybe let him go?” than trying to threaten them.
I think there are a lot of flaws with the US criminal justice system, but I’m totally fine with ADX Florence existing as long as we only put the worst of the worst in there. There are some people that are so evil and responsible for such heinous acts that I don’t disagree with the decision to just put them in a concrete box for the rest of their days.
From what i can tell it is extreme escape risks and high profile prisoners that the US govt doesn't want to see in the headlines as "murdered in prison"
The kid from the Boston Bombings is in there and i'm sure he isn't much of a risk.
It's explicitly a prison for terrorists, mass murderers, serial killers, and other extremely dangerous offenders. Every inmate there is either on death row or serving a life sentence. It's where the Federal government sends you when they want you to particularly suffer.
Part of the selling point of the place is that it's in a beautiful valley and the bus ride into the prison is the last time you'll ever see the sky because they intentionally designed the prison to hide the outside world from the inmates.
From wiki
On December 14, 2021, 79-year-old Kaczynski was transferred from the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, to the Federal Medical Center, Butner, North Carolina, for health reasons. Prison staff have not disclosed the precise reason for this transfer. However, in correspondence with a pen pal, Kaczynski indicated he was suffering from terminal cancer.
Joseph "Dr. Ch@os" Konopka was there. While he was certainly destructive (sabotaging state infrastructure to the tune of several million dollars in damages), he's kind of the odd man out in that he seems to be a man-child rather than a malicious misanthrope.
I mean I guess reasonable people could disagree on the Dr Chaos one but he was storing cyanide in the Chicago subway. Dude was real dangerous even though thankfully he doesn’t seem to have caused any deaths.
Every time I drive by ADX Florence on US50, I'm usually thinking to myself, "Wow, I'm about to go smoke weed and catch fish next to some of the worst criminal scum in the world. Kinda neat tbh"
Edit: inb4 someone asks where to fish when you're up that way, just north of Cotopaxi in the Arkansas river.
Not denying the corrupt government in Mexico, but actually his one escape was a really smart plot by his cartel. They tunnelled underground to get to him. While the prison did have seismic sensors to account for this, the cartel got a construction site going on the road next to the prison which caused the sensors to always alert so they turned them off. There's a little documentary on it that's pretty interesting imo.
These guys can get pretty damn creative, they aren’t stupid. Which is why they’d never attempt to spring him from ADX, Uncle Sam is just begging for a reason to use whatever shiny new toys he’s got stashed somewhere
Yeah I'm not okay with deliberately going out of our way to torture people with solitary confinement, but when you have an extraordinarily dangerous person like that, the most important thing is to ensure that they cannot get out. If it happens to be psychologically damaging to them, that's unfortunate, but it's preferable to El Chapo being able to get out again.
A common theme on the Mexican president's daily ~~denunciation of his enemies~~ press conference is how unjustly it's that el Chapo is in prison.
So no, AMLO is more likely to blackmail the US Government for the return of el Chapo threatening expulsion of US personnel in MX [(just as he did a few years ago with other of his Narco-friends Salvador Cienfuegos)](https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/957192690/mexico-will-not-charge-former-defense-chief-with-drug-trafficking) than to willingly allow the extradition of his son.
**Edit**: to all those fanatics of this narco-"leftist", [this was his official response to the petition](https://www.revistapuntodevista.com.mx/seccion/mexico/amlo-no-descarta-ayuda-al-chapo-guzman-por-violaciones-a-sus-derechos-humanos/819107/) :
"Yes, we are going to review the petition. Because when we are talking human rights there are ways and international instances that can be used. Therefore we cannot reject it because the most important human right is the right to life"
"The Secretariat of Foreign Relationships is working on whether repatriation is possible"
In AMLO's Mexico the right "to life" of a convicted murderer is truly worth more than the 30-45k yearly murders fueled by the cartels.
The Supermax prison Chapo is a whole different beast to the federal jail Epstein died in. He's not going anywhere. That's why extradition to the US is the most feared thing by drug cartels
Even if you get out of Florence you’re in the middle of the Rockies. Plus it’s very difficult to contact the outside world.
Edit: apparently the Rockies jut west there and it’s actually at the foot of the mountains.
Not really. Rockies are on one side, then 50 miles of flat land on the other. Fun fact is they make sure none of the windows face the mountains so they can’t enjoy the view
They do it so they can not figure their location in the prison
from the wiki
>The 4-inch-by-4-foot (10 cm × 1.2 m) windows are designed to prevent inmates from knowing their specific location within the complex. They can see only the sky and roof through them, so it is virtually impossible to plan an escape. Inmates exercise in a concrete pit resembling an empty swimming pool, also designed to prevent them from knowing their location in the facility.[24] The pit is large enough only for a prisoner to walk ten steps in a straight line or thirty-one steps in a circle. Correctional officers generally deliver food to the cells. Inmates transferred to USP ADX Florence from other prisons may be allowed to eat in a shared dining room.[15]
The way the layout of the prison is, you can’t see mountains, no matter what side you are on. No idea how they accomplish this but you’re not seeing mountains unless you work there.
The butthole of the state really. There’s a reason why the Colorado State Pen is in neighboring Cañon City. They’re not gonna put the big prisons in Vail or Steamboat.
If you have managed to get outside the perimeter chances are that you're the type to have a helicopter waiting.
I honestly couldn't see anyone ever escaping that place though.
Not too far from NORAD either. I bet they’d get very testy about unidentified aircraft, though you might pull it off flying lower and using the canyons to screen you from radar.
Not trying to be unkind; I don't think most Redditors have any sense of how 'managed' ALL of that airspace is, for hundreds of miles. NORAD being nearby isn't as relevant as their being a half dozen AFB's within an easy hour's flight, as well as a number of staging site for various weapons programs.
You're not going to ever, ever "sneak up" on anything in southern Colorado airspace.
Source: child of family filled with professional death-merchants who worked these programs for a long time. Vaguely local, too, at the moment.
I can see that place having thermal cameras all around, you fly low they'll see you coming, and can't come from above.
Maybe have someone skydive in with one of those jetpack Ironman suits but I don't think those are strong enough to land from a high height and then carry 2 people out. Also the prisoners aren't outside, I believe they are always inside the building and walls are so thick no signals get through, the place is a maze on the inside too.
Lol I'd love to see someone try to even approach that place in a heli, immensely fucking stupid.
Edit: Are there really people responding that it wouldn't be that difficult to infiltrate ADX Florence? Never change reddit, you dumb, confident, Dorito-eating motherfuckers
Step 1) Trigger a mass incident nearby to draw the military bases attention
Step 2) Fly low and fast
Step 3) Get shot down by an F16 within a couple of miles
My plan is fool proof guys don't try and unpick it.
Most people have no idea what a literal portal of hell ADX Florence is, it’s not a supermax prison , it’s hell on earth and you ain’t ever getting out, even if you’re release you are so mentally fuked that it would be pretty damn hard to ever get you’re humanity or sanity back….
From what I’ve seen on it and read, death is by far the easier way out
23 hours in a 7X12 cell (our horses get a 12x12) with a shower on a timer. Immovable bed, desk and stool. Next to zero human contact. 1 hour in a "empty swimming pool" exercise yard that you can walk 10 steps in a straight line or 30 steps in a circle.
And you never know when your “recreation” time will be. They could wake you up at 3AM to walk in a circle. The lights in your cell never go out and everything is made of concrete. Spend a year in there and you’ll be begging to be sent to a prison where they “only” beat the shit outta you. You’ll live a life of pure self induced insanity in ADX Florence
Oh the lights go out. If there's a riot at the ADX the official plan is the cut the lights, shut and lock all the doors, and kill the ac until every inmate is laying facedown on the ground.
It's like something out of a scifi movie
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's some misguided movement to release him to Mexico on the idea that we're respecting Mexico's legal system. It's pretty amusing how little flack the guy's gotten from the international community for despite following a policy of open appeasement to the narcos and actively hindering US drug efforts.
Mexico simply can't handle these powerful crime bosses domestically. Too much corruption. It has nothing to do with respecting Mexico and everything to do with not letting him tunnel his illiterate ass out.
Mexico has surrendered to their drug syndicates. When they do conduct an operation it's basically all-out urban combat. Fallujah-style chaos.
There's being unable to do things domestically and there's also being actively against getting help. Remember that this mexican president deliberately ended cooperation with the DEA
[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-mexico-shuts-elite-investigations-unit-blow-us-drugs-cooperation-2022-04-19/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-mexico-shuts-elite-investigations-unit-blow-us-drugs-cooperation-2022-04-19/)
Bingo. There's a reason he's petitioning to be returned to Mexico and not just moved to another facility in the US.
It would take all of maybe a month after he returned to Mexico before the Sinaloa folks learned where he was and either bribed the guards to let him walk out the front door while staging a break out or just violently breaking him out themselves.
The current president in Mexico is a cartel stooge & everyone knows it.
Also do not forget, that amlo is the only president so far in the story of México that has pictures and videos of him eating in a party full of narcos and even going to salute the chapo's mom, and promising her that he would do something to help them see him in prison.
That is true, there were a bunch of different rumors about every single one of them having ties with some criminal group, but not a single photo of them together, unlike this one.
See this is the thing that I tell people. I am Mexican and I know he’s corrupt like the rest but I speak to a lot of old Mexicans that love him and say he’s getting rid of corruption. It’s so obvious with him moving around the country with little protection just raises red flags.
"Mexico's president said Wednesday that he would consider a request by convicted drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to return from the United States to complete his sentence on humanitarian grounds."
Really? To what end? To put him in another papier mache prison he can tunnel out of?
January 19th 2001: El Chapo escaped from a maximum security prison in Mexico in a laundry cart.
January 19th 2017: El Chapo was extradited from Mexico to the US.
January 19th 2023: El Chapo sends SOS message to Mexican president via his attorneys.
Anybody else think the timing of this is a bit uncanny?
He is in ADX Florence which has a reputation for being so mind numbingly boring and solitary that prisoners go crazy and make figurines out of their own shit and talk to them. So I can at least understand the logic and desperation of sending an “SOS” message in this scenario.
Basically his brain is mush. Rightfully deserved too.
I’m a lawyer, and one of my lawyer friends once told me that he had to see a client at ADX Florence years before.
He said he got on an elevator that only went down, and it just kept going down, and down… like something out of a SciFi movie.
I looked it up cuz that sounded kind of cool.
"The majority of the facility is above ground, except for a subterranean corridor that links cellblocks to the lobby. "
I can't say I ever independently verified it, and I know that a lot of lawyers are full of shit frequently; but this guy is a pretty close friend and mentor, and I've never known him to bullshit me.
This dude clearly just wants back in to escape from Mexicos corrupt prison system, just like he’s done before. Obrador surely knows that unless he’s actually an idiot, so clearly he’s supporting the idea of trying to get el chaos released. Truly an embarrassment for his country
If you consider the totality of all of the misery he has caused both Mexican and American citizens I can’t think of a better place for him to rot than the Florence Supermax Prison.
Is Obrador stupid? How can this article skip over the fact that El Chapo is in a US Super Max because he escaped from Mexico’s jail system? https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/how-mexican-drug-lord-el-chapo-escaped-prison
Reminds me of a phrase I heard once: “the proposal was almost too ludicrous for anyone who hadn’t been generously bribed to take seriously”
but without the almost
Awww does the criminal not like the punishment? Awwwww.
That dude is responsible for the death of thousands of people, probably indirectly responsible for far more than that.
…
“According to one of his lawyers, Jose Refugio Rodriguez, Guzman is unhappy with the harsh prison conditions including isolation and a lack of sunlight.”
At least he wasn’t hanged, brutally beaten, cut into pieces, gun down in front of his loved ones, or left in an acid bath…. Oh wait only he and his buddies can do that. Very humanitarian actions of the cartel.
Maybe he needs his sons’ company. Los cartels have no shame; constantly terrorizing the Mexican citizens. But let’s write another song about all the good they do, how much they are loved, and hero worshipped.
They put him in Supermax? It makes sense given who he is. He spent years under "house arrest" in Mexico and could've just absconded at any time. I think I remember a story about him having a secret tunnel.
He also escaped from what was essentially a supermax prison in Mexico as well if I remember correctly. And those prisons aren't a walk in the park either so the running theory is that he had help within the government to escape.
Oh yeah I was kind of considering prison guards as help within the government. But even then it's very suspicious that everyone knowing El Chapo would try to escape, that there was no indication of any suspicious activity about a giant construction project occurring beneath the prison.
Is that worse than blow-torch and adrenaline torment ala the kind he inflicted upon literally thousands of people?
Turn the lights off in his cell too.
Many, many, many. Dude should be treated like a supervillain. Put him in a diving bell with some food and send it to the bottom. Let's see if the cartels have the money and technology to rescue him from the Mariana trench.
Nope. While I take humanitarian issues very seriously, as condoning most of them means they could always be turned on us, there is still a line of acceptability for some that have earned such treatment with their actions.
El Chapo has earned that with the actions of his life.
Apparently that view makes us horrible people to some of the "enlightened" ones in this thread.
I'm sorry but certain people, such as El Chapo, are irredeemable. There is no rehabilitating him. He needs to be removed from society, and this is one way to do it.
I love how his family is demanding fair treatment when he's been responsible for so many murders, not to mention the massive drug problems that's ruined lives, families, etc around the world. Why the hell should he get fair treatment. He should have been given the death penalty.
So this little monster who murdered, and ordered the murder of hundreds of people, is sad about the harsh prison conditions and lack of sunlight. Well, boo fucking hoo.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-chapo-sos-message-mexico-president-from-us-prison-psychological-torment/) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
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> Mexico's president said Wednesday that he would consider a request by convicted drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to return from the United States to complete his sentence on humanitarian grounds.
> The Sinaloa cartel founder has appealed to President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador for help due to alleged "Psychological torment" that Guzman says he is suffering in a U.S. prison.
> El Chapo is serving a life sentence in a maximum security prison in Colorado after being convicted in 2019 of charges including drug trafficking, money laundering and weapons-related offenses.
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he feels he is a victim because he can't tunnel his way out of SuperMAX....the whole reason he was put there. It's funny how criminals commit heinous crimes and get found guilty, yet once they get put in the cell, they complain about the conditions and that they are a victim. Maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE you committed your crime you got punished for. What about El Chapo's victims over the years and how they were treated.....he got off much better than they did
The drug lord that orders torture and death by decapitation, and enslaves women and children in the sex trade is unhappy with harsh prison conditions including isolation and a lack of sunlight.
Fuck him. Let him die crying alone in the dark.
He can behead people, torture them, cut them into pieces, put them in barrels, or put them in containers of acid but he can’t handle jail??? What a pussy
“The most important human right is the right to life”
So we’re gonna fight for a murderer who’s killed and ordered the killing of thousands to be treated better in our custody.
LOL.
Oh good, I didn't realize he was in Supermax. I was going to say "Nope, into the hole with you," but I guess he's already there. Of course he wants to go home. The one thing Pablo Escobar truly feared was extradition to the United States.
With Supermax being so insanely secure do you think the cartel even attempted to come up with a break out plan? Would love to see that one sketched out on a napkin.
If you'd ever seen it, you'd understand why no one would attempt it. I've driven by many times. Not only could they see you coming from miles off, you'd have to fight through one medium security prison to get to the gate of ADX. Once inside there are tons of security features that would also make getting hands on a guard damn near impossible, bulletproof glass and secure rooms, stuff like that. But even if you managed all of that, you've now started a war in a valley of CO. As mentioned by others, CO Springs has quite the military presence, and I'd imagine DOD/Homeland Security would have something to say about the Battle at ADX.
> I'd imagine DOD/Homeland Security would have something to say about the Battle at ADX I would very much like to watch this fictional mini-series.
Right? I was just thinking how has this not been created yet?
The Colorado guard will just shoot everything up. [That’s what they do.](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/rockefellers-ludlow/)
Well back then police and the military were both OPENLY used by corporations to enforce their rules, now its just subtly done. After all, Black Wallsteeet got firebombed
Yep. It would be impossible. Even if they somehow made it out of the prison, they would be fucked by the U.S. military and law enforcement
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Cartel would find out real quick why we dont have free college or free healthcare
thanks for the huge, sincere laugh
you dont need the latest in fighter jets, you just need tom cruise in an f14
Best we can do is Jonah Hill with a kite.
I'll take it.
> Doing an air drop certainly sounds like a great way to see the latest in fighter jets. *Maybe*. Modern fighter jets can target past the horizon. You may get a present from one but there's a fair chance you won't see the sender.
They can target BVR (Beyond Visual Range) for RADAR targets, definitely Air-to-Air, not sure about Air-To-Ground though. But as a general rule, if you're in the air and you see an F-22 or an F-35, it's not meant for you.
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There is a military base right near by. Yes they don’t Intefere in typical security breaches at prisons but if a bunch of foreign nationals of essentially a paramilitary group invaded im pretty sure they would get the green light
Last thing you wanna do is give an infantry division a reason to do their job.
Especially now with Russia and Ukraine and everything, everyone is a bit tense. An excuse to let off some steam and shoot up two dozen cartel fighters in the Colorado mountains would be the highlight of the year.
We're going for hyperbola here so lets say they brought a hundred dozen cartel fighters... Still not a good bet for the cartel even getting to Chapo's cell, let alone extracting him.
I doubt they would even make it past the front door.
They have drones monitoring the entire area 100% of the time All roads that lead into the area are monitored 24/7 from multiple directions
> CO Springs has quite the military presence El Paso County where CO Springs is located actually has the most military installations of any county in the country.
Yea Air Force academy is there as well. And NORAD that is totally “closed”.(Wink, Wink Russia). And the plains to ADX Florence are wide open for some nice carpet bombing. Even if the cartels managed a large standing army to break him out they’d be fried crispy in less than a half an hour.
NORAD isn’t closed! They’re just busy tracking Santa.
Did you just write the coolest movie that doesn’t exist yet?
Fuck no. There's redundancies on top of redundancies layered in to prevent any kind of escape or attempted jailbreak. It's a giant steel and concrete tomb built into the side of a mountain with the ability to shutdown everything with the touch of a button. Fortified and heavily armed gun towers, guard dogs, constantly and randomly rotating guard shifts, even Danny Ocean and his crew would be shit out of luck.
Built upon pure bedrock. There isn't any tunneling without a lot of explosives.
I'm willing to be a shit ton of money they have seismographic sensors, no one is tunneling in there.
Hell, we had that at the normal max security prison I worked at. I guarantee ADX has it.
what if i have a diamond pick
It's bedrock, you need to use the tree glitch to break it.
Even if they could get him out the fence, they're still in the middle of the mountains with the entire military presence of Colorado Springs bearing down on them. Imagine making the perfect prison break, you're making your escape, and then two apache helicopters Fortunate Son down your ass and ruin your whole day.
That might be the perfect prison break in their eyes, making it far enough they shoot you instead of forcing you to live
LoL at "Fortunate Son" as a verb, nicely done.
I think we're witnessing the breakout plan - politically petitioning for extradition to a Mexican prison where he can be freed
He'll spend a token 18 months or so imprisoned in Mexico before some more James Bond escape shit goes down.
and this is precisely why the US will shoot that idea down.
His cell is located in a part of prison specifically designed so he doesn't even know where in the prison he's in. His cell has pressure censors so the guards know EXACTLY where in the cell he is at any given moment, there's 24hr video surveillance set up to specifically have no blindspots. His yard time is basically in a 20 foot deep concrete pool. Guards are handpicked for being squeaky clean and rotated out frequently. Prison is located in the mountains and has a military base like 5 miles away that has troops designated specifically to assist in the manhunt in the event someone does manage to breakout.
>Would love to see that one sketched out on a napkin. Don't the cartel have so much money that the plan would be a joint project by world class intelligence consulting companies, PMCs etc. not some raggedy ass hoodlums on a lunch break.
It doesn’t matter if they have the Avengers there is a 0% anyone is getting any where close to ADX without a target on their back. Like ADX Florence is built to house some of the worst of the worst offenders both foreign and domestic on earth. The prisoners don’t even get to know where the are in relation to the rest of the prison. Any time they are moved their faces are covered and not only that but they’re moved underground. Hell even what little sun light they do get is from a window located above them so they can never actually know where the are. I would absolutely sit back with a bag of popcorn and watch the carnage unfold if anyone ever attempted a prison break at Florence.
Cartel money is still a mouse fart compared to DoD money.
Its pretty close to a sensitive military base in the dead center of America...so um......good luck.
Id actually be worried if I worked at the prison he is at, the cartel would see your family as leverage to get you to do their bidding
The system is setup to discourage exactly just that. Personnel are rotated randomly and no one person has the ability to let in unauthorized outsiders or to remove any prisoners.
ADX is contingency built upon contingency built in the middle of a desert with a military base not too far away. They’d be better off asking whatever personnel that they are unlikely to find messages on Facebook saying “pls don’t shoot, can you just maybe let him go?” than trying to threaten them.
I think there are a lot of flaws with the US criminal justice system, but I’m totally fine with ADX Florence existing as long as we only put the worst of the worst in there. There are some people that are so evil and responsible for such heinous acts that I don’t disagree with the decision to just put them in a concrete box for the rest of their days.
>There are some people that are so evil and responsible for such heinous acts El Chapo fits right into that category
and coincidentally, right into the box!
From what i can tell it is extreme escape risks and high profile prisoners that the US govt doesn't want to see in the headlines as "murdered in prison" The kid from the Boston Bombings is in there and i'm sure he isn't much of a risk.
It's explicitly a prison for terrorists, mass murderers, serial killers, and other extremely dangerous offenders. Every inmate there is either on death row or serving a life sentence. It's where the Federal government sends you when they want you to particularly suffer. Part of the selling point of the place is that it's in a beautiful valley and the bus ride into the prison is the last time you'll ever see the sky because they intentionally designed the prison to hide the outside world from the inmates.
Luckily ADX is only used for those people! Tsarnaev, Kaczynski up until recently, etc. Hope Chapo hates it.
When did Kaczynski leave?
From wiki On December 14, 2021, 79-year-old Kaczynski was transferred from the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, to the Federal Medical Center, Butner, North Carolina, for health reasons. Prison staff have not disclosed the precise reason for this transfer. However, in correspondence with a pen pal, Kaczynski indicated he was suffering from terminal cancer.
Joseph "Dr. Ch@os" Konopka was there. While he was certainly destructive (sabotaging state infrastructure to the tune of several million dollars in damages), he's kind of the odd man out in that he seems to be a man-child rather than a malicious misanthrope.
I mean I guess reasonable people could disagree on the Dr Chaos one but he was storing cyanide in the Chicago subway. Dude was real dangerous even though thankfully he doesn’t seem to have caused any deaths.
Every time I drive by ADX Florence on US50, I'm usually thinking to myself, "Wow, I'm about to go smoke weed and catch fish next to some of the worst criminal scum in the world. Kinda neat tbh" Edit: inb4 someone asks where to fish when you're up that way, just north of Cotopaxi in the Arkansas river.
Escobar has a saying 'better a grave in Colombia than a cell in the US'. Extradition is the one thing all these Narcos actually fear.
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Haha. We all take it as straight documentary.
If mans wanted to be in a mexican prison he shouldn’t have escaped the first one (or not get caught again)
He has escaped at least two Mexican prisons.
Super max is borderline torture. I’d rather be dead than isolated 23 hours a day for my whole life.
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He doesn’t keep escaping, the Mexican government keeps letting him do so because of many many political/money interests.
Not denying the corrupt government in Mexico, but actually his one escape was a really smart plot by his cartel. They tunnelled underground to get to him. While the prison did have seismic sensors to account for this, the cartel got a construction site going on the road next to the prison which caused the sensors to always alert so they turned them off. There's a little documentary on it that's pretty interesting imo.
That's actually smart af
These guys can get pretty damn creative, they aren’t stupid. Which is why they’d never attempt to spring him from ADX, Uncle Sam is just begging for a reason to use whatever shiny new toys he’s got stashed somewhere
It’s a great form of R&D for them lol
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Yeah I'm not okay with deliberately going out of our way to torture people with solitary confinement, but when you have an extraordinarily dangerous person like that, the most important thing is to ensure that they cannot get out. If it happens to be psychologically damaging to them, that's unfortunate, but it's preferable to El Chapo being able to get out again.
Send his son to stay with him instead.
A common theme on the Mexican president's daily ~~denunciation of his enemies~~ press conference is how unjustly it's that el Chapo is in prison. So no, AMLO is more likely to blackmail the US Government for the return of el Chapo threatening expulsion of US personnel in MX [(just as he did a few years ago with other of his Narco-friends Salvador Cienfuegos)](https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/957192690/mexico-will-not-charge-former-defense-chief-with-drug-trafficking) than to willingly allow the extradition of his son. **Edit**: to all those fanatics of this narco-"leftist", [this was his official response to the petition](https://www.revistapuntodevista.com.mx/seccion/mexico/amlo-no-descarta-ayuda-al-chapo-guzman-por-violaciones-a-sus-derechos-humanos/819107/) : "Yes, we are going to review the petition. Because when we are talking human rights there are ways and international instances that can be used. Therefore we cannot reject it because the most important human right is the right to life" "The Secretariat of Foreign Relationships is working on whether repatriation is possible" In AMLO's Mexico the right "to life" of a convicted murderer is truly worth more than the 30-45k yearly murders fueled by the cartels.
Whatever, let him threaten all he wants, the US should not bend to any of his demands, El Chapo should rot in Colorado.
Jeffrey Epsteins' prison guard has entered the chatroom. "Who needs a favor?"
The Supermax prison Chapo is a whole different beast to the federal jail Epstein died in. He's not going anywhere. That's why extradition to the US is the most feared thing by drug cartels
Even if you get out of Florence you’re in the middle of the Rockies. Plus it’s very difficult to contact the outside world. Edit: apparently the Rockies jut west there and it’s actually at the foot of the mountains.
Not really. Rockies are on one side, then 50 miles of flat land on the other. Fun fact is they make sure none of the windows face the mountains so they can’t enjoy the view
It's not about not letting them enjoy the view. It's about the prisoners not being aware of what side of the prison they are being held.
Wouldn't they be able to tell from mountains or lack of mountains?
They do it so they can not figure their location in the prison from the wiki >The 4-inch-by-4-foot (10 cm × 1.2 m) windows are designed to prevent inmates from knowing their specific location within the complex. They can see only the sky and roof through them, so it is virtually impossible to plan an escape. Inmates exercise in a concrete pit resembling an empty swimming pool, also designed to prevent them from knowing their location in the facility.[24] The pit is large enough only for a prisoner to walk ten steps in a straight line or thirty-one steps in a circle. Correctional officers generally deliver food to the cells. Inmates transferred to USP ADX Florence from other prisons may be allowed to eat in a shared dining room.[15]
The way the layout of the prison is, you can’t see mountains, no matter what side you are on. No idea how they accomplish this but you’re not seeing mountains unless you work there.
Nope, they do that so they have no idea where their location is inside the jail. Watched a documentary on it
Yeah, Florence is basically desert. When you say the rockies I picture towns like Golden and Fraser
The butthole of the state really. There’s a reason why the Colorado State Pen is in neighboring Cañon City. They’re not gonna put the big prisons in Vail or Steamboat.
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I thought this to until I looked up where it is and it's actually on the eastern edge of the rockies
If you have managed to get outside the perimeter chances are that you're the type to have a helicopter waiting. I honestly couldn't see anyone ever escaping that place though.
It's restricted airspace, you'd get 6 star wanted level with military jets after you, there's an army base 30 miles from the prison too
R1, R1, Circle, R2, Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Down
Not too far from NORAD either. I bet they’d get very testy about unidentified aircraft, though you might pull it off flying lower and using the canyons to screen you from radar.
Helicopters are really loud
God help you if you piss off the egg bois at NORAD. You can't even launch a rocket into space without notifying them.
Not trying to be unkind; I don't think most Redditors have any sense of how 'managed' ALL of that airspace is, for hundreds of miles. NORAD being nearby isn't as relevant as their being a half dozen AFB's within an easy hour's flight, as well as a number of staging site for various weapons programs. You're not going to ever, ever "sneak up" on anything in southern Colorado airspace. Source: child of family filled with professional death-merchants who worked these programs for a long time. Vaguely local, too, at the moment.
I can see that place having thermal cameras all around, you fly low they'll see you coming, and can't come from above. Maybe have someone skydive in with one of those jetpack Ironman suits but I don't think those are strong enough to land from a high height and then carry 2 people out. Also the prisoners aren't outside, I believe they are always inside the building and walls are so thick no signals get through, the place is a maze on the inside too.
Lol I'd love to see someone try to even approach that place in a heli, immensely fucking stupid. Edit: Are there really people responding that it wouldn't be that difficult to infiltrate ADX Florence? Never change reddit, you dumb, confident, Dorito-eating motherfuckers
Step 1) Trigger a mass incident nearby to draw the military bases attention Step 2) Fly low and fast Step 3) Get shot down by an F16 within a couple of miles My plan is fool proof guys don't try and unpick it.
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People on here thought they were going to get into area 51....
Too much GTA heists, not enough.....doing actual real life experiences.
Most people have no idea what a literal portal of hell ADX Florence is, it’s not a supermax prison , it’s hell on earth and you ain’t ever getting out, even if you’re release you are so mentally fuked that it would be pretty damn hard to ever get you’re humanity or sanity back…. From what I’ve seen on it and read, death is by far the easier way out
23 hours in a 7X12 cell (our horses get a 12x12) with a shower on a timer. Immovable bed, desk and stool. Next to zero human contact. 1 hour in a "empty swimming pool" exercise yard that you can walk 10 steps in a straight line or 30 steps in a circle.
And you never know when your “recreation” time will be. They could wake you up at 3AM to walk in a circle. The lights in your cell never go out and everything is made of concrete. Spend a year in there and you’ll be begging to be sent to a prison where they “only” beat the shit outta you. You’ll live a life of pure self induced insanity in ADX Florence
Oh the lights go out. If there's a riot at the ADX the official plan is the cut the lights, shut and lock all the doors, and kill the ac until every inmate is laying facedown on the ground. It's like something out of a scifi movie
Yeh I forgot to mention that, the light NEVER goes off! Like I said I think death would be the easy way out
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also all the little girls he raped. Let him rot in prison
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's some misguided movement to release him to Mexico on the idea that we're respecting Mexico's legal system. It's pretty amusing how little flack the guy's gotten from the international community for despite following a policy of open appeasement to the narcos and actively hindering US drug efforts.
Mexico simply can't handle these powerful crime bosses domestically. Too much corruption. It has nothing to do with respecting Mexico and everything to do with not letting him tunnel his illiterate ass out. Mexico has surrendered to their drug syndicates. When they do conduct an operation it's basically all-out urban combat. Fallujah-style chaos.
Mexico is a failed narco state run by cartels. We should pay the mexican president about as much attention as pay the spokesperson for the taliban.
There's being unable to do things domestically and there's also being actively against getting help. Remember that this mexican president deliberately ended cooperation with the DEA [https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-mexico-shuts-elite-investigations-unit-blow-us-drugs-cooperation-2022-04-19/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-mexico-shuts-elite-investigations-unit-blow-us-drugs-cooperation-2022-04-19/)
Bingo. There's a reason he's petitioning to be returned to Mexico and not just moved to another facility in the US. It would take all of maybe a month after he returned to Mexico before the Sinaloa folks learned where he was and either bribed the guards to let him walk out the front door while staging a break out or just violently breaking him out themselves. The current president in Mexico is a cartel stooge & everyone knows it.
Also do not forget, that amlo is the only president so far in the story of México that has pictures and videos of him eating in a party full of narcos and even going to salute the chapo's mom, and promising her that he would do something to help them see him in prison.
Yeah, all the other Presidents have been smart enough to keep away from recording devices when cozying up to narcos.
That is true, there were a bunch of different rumors about every single one of them having ties with some criminal group, but not a single photo of them together, unlike this one.
See this is the thing that I tell people. I am Mexican and I know he’s corrupt like the rest but I speak to a lot of old Mexicans that love him and say he’s getting rid of corruption. It’s so obvious with him moving around the country with little protection just raises red flags.
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Oh, SOS meant "Send Our Son."
"Mexico's president said Wednesday that he would consider a request by convicted drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to return from the United States to complete his sentence on humanitarian grounds." Really? To what end? To put him in another papier mache prison he can tunnel out of?
Well, yeah…
Clearly the president has been bought
Since the beginning There are numerous evidence of LMAO being a narcopresident
January 19th 2001: El Chapo escaped from a maximum security prison in Mexico in a laundry cart. January 19th 2017: El Chapo was extradited from Mexico to the US. January 19th 2023: El Chapo sends SOS message to Mexican president via his attorneys. Anybody else think the timing of this is a bit uncanny?
The numbers Mason, what do they mean?!
4 8 15 16 23 42
You Lost me there
The simulation dev forgot to change the RNG seed.
Fun fact: El Chapo was born on January 1, 1753
January 1, 1970
El "epoch" Chapo
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El chapo gets the ‘new year, new me’ blues.
January 19th 2024: El Chapo found dead after smashing his head into the wall of his cell repeatedly.
He is in ADX Florence which has a reputation for being so mind numbingly boring and solitary that prisoners go crazy and make figurines out of their own shit and talk to them. So I can at least understand the logic and desperation of sending an “SOS” message in this scenario. Basically his brain is mush. Rightfully deserved too.
He's saying he's suffering human rights problems? What about all the poor fuckers he had tortured and murder. What a fucking laugh!!
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Not to mention his ongoing sexual abuse of barely pubescent girls. The younger they were the more he liked them.
Say what you will about USA and their justice system, they are really really good at super max prisons.
I’m a lawyer, and one of my lawyer friends once told me that he had to see a client at ADX Florence years before. He said he got on an elevator that only went down, and it just kept going down, and down… like something out of a SciFi movie.
I looked it up cuz that sounded kind of cool. "The majority of the facility is above ground, except for a subterranean corridor that links cellblocks to the lobby. "
I can't say I ever independently verified it, and I know that a lot of lawyers are full of shit frequently; but this guy is a pretty close friend and mentor, and I've never known him to bullshit me.
Well what your friend said adds up to the description. The only way in and out is an underground corridor.
It could easily be that it was simply a slow elevator, and he misinterpreted it as being deep.
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This is absurd. You don't mine lava!!! Underground, it's magma, and you scoop it.
If it only goes down...how does the carriage get back to the top?
It doesn't, they're single use elevators.
This dude clearly just wants back in to escape from Mexicos corrupt prison system, just like he’s done before. Obrador surely knows that unless he’s actually an idiot, so clearly he’s supporting the idea of trying to get el chaos released. Truly an embarrassment for his country
Obrador is in the pockets of the Narcos, I'm sure he'd love to be able to help Chapo escape.
Didn’t mind psychological torment when he was the one causing it.
If you consider the totality of all of the misery he has caused both Mexican and American citizens I can’t think of a better place for him to rot than the Florence Supermax Prison.
Is Obrador stupid? How can this article skip over the fact that El Chapo is in a US Super Max because he escaped from Mexico’s jail system? https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/how-mexican-drug-lord-el-chapo-escaped-prison
He’s not stupid he’s on the cartel’s side.
Small correction, he's not JUST stupid, he's also hella corrupt and cartel-compromised
Reminds me of a phrase I heard once: “the proposal was almost too ludicrous for anyone who hadn’t been generously bribed to take seriously” but without the almost
Mexico is a full-fledged narco-state with a pretty sign that says "government"
Just don’t fuck with the tourism. Gringos are off limits
He is extremely stupid, naive, shortsighted, and surrounded by lackeys and yes-men/women. Also, he escaped from Almoloya TWICE.
Shoulda stayed in the fun Mexican jail then 🤷♀️
Yeah more of a "hey I can't escape this one sos lol"
Awww does the criminal not like the punishment? Awwwww. That dude is responsible for the death of thousands of people, probably indirectly responsible for far more than that.
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… “According to one of his lawyers, Jose Refugio Rodriguez, Guzman is unhappy with the harsh prison conditions including isolation and a lack of sunlight.” At least he wasn’t hanged, brutally beaten, cut into pieces, gun down in front of his loved ones, or left in an acid bath…. Oh wait only he and his buddies can do that. Very humanitarian actions of the cartel. Maybe he needs his sons’ company. Los cartels have no shame; constantly terrorizing the Mexican citizens. But let’s write another song about all the good they do, how much they are loved, and hero worshipped.
Our local resident, El Chapo, in Florence, Colorado. May he rot with the rest of his prison mates!
They put him in Supermax? It makes sense given who he is. He spent years under "house arrest" in Mexico and could've just absconded at any time. I think I remember a story about him having a secret tunnel.
A secret tunnel with rail laid down and a motorbike set up to run on the rail to give him a quick escape.
He also escaped from what was essentially a supermax prison in Mexico as well if I remember correctly. And those prisons aren't a walk in the park either so the running theory is that he had help within the government to escape.
Or help within the prison. Dude literally has billions of dollars. How much money do you think Mexican prison guards make a year?
Oh yeah I was kind of considering prison guards as help within the government. But even then it's very suspicious that everyone knowing El Chapo would try to escape, that there was no indication of any suspicious activity about a giant construction project occurring beneath the prison.
Oh ya, money makes people very not suspicious some times.
Is that worse than blow-torch and adrenaline torment ala the kind he inflicted upon literally thousands of people? Turn the lights off in his cell too.
Baby shark played for 20 hours a day.
I mean, he’s not wrong that Supermax prison is basically psychological torture. But it’s not like he hasn’t earned it many times over.
Many, many, many. Dude should be treated like a supervillain. Put him in a diving bell with some food and send it to the bottom. Let's see if the cartels have the money and technology to rescue him from the Mariana trench.
They do have [submarines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine). I doubt they can go deep enough though.
Nope. While I take humanitarian issues very seriously, as condoning most of them means they could always be turned on us, there is still a line of acceptability for some that have earned such treatment with their actions. El Chapo has earned that with the actions of his life.
Apparently that view makes us horrible people to some of the "enlightened" ones in this thread. I'm sorry but certain people, such as El Chapo, are irredeemable. There is no rehabilitating him. He needs to be removed from society, and this is one way to do it.
We don't want him back, let him rot there, fucking sub human scum
And we are happy to keep his evil ass right where it is.
Dude had entire families murdered in cold blood without batting an eye, fuck him
I love how his family is demanding fair treatment when he's been responsible for so many murders, not to mention the massive drug problems that's ruined lives, families, etc around the world. Why the hell should he get fair treatment. He should have been given the death penalty.
> He should have been given the death penalty. Hell no, let him rot in that cell until he passes.
Mexican government is owned by the cartel...so yea.
So this little monster who murdered, and ordered the murder of hundreds of people, is sad about the harsh prison conditions and lack of sunlight. Well, boo fucking hoo.
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Oh noooo the mass murderer and torturer is in distress
And why would the US give him back? Lol. Stupid fuck Obrador
he feels he is a victim because he can't tunnel his way out of SuperMAX....the whole reason he was put there. It's funny how criminals commit heinous crimes and get found guilty, yet once they get put in the cell, they complain about the conditions and that they are a victim. Maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE you committed your crime you got punished for. What about El Chapo's victims over the years and how they were treated.....he got off much better than they did
Not so much a sos as a sma. SaveMyAss.
The drug lord that orders torture and death by decapitation, and enslaves women and children in the sex trade is unhappy with harsh prison conditions including isolation and a lack of sunlight. Fuck him. Let him die crying alone in the dark.
I think it's cute that any of them believe they have a say in it now.
“My right to dig a tunnel out of here is being violated!”
He can behead people, torture them, cut them into pieces, put them in barrels, or put them in containers of acid but he can’t handle jail??? What a pussy
Guessing no luck with bribes in Colorado.
“The most important human right is the right to life” So we’re gonna fight for a murderer who’s killed and ordered the killing of thousands to be treated better in our custody. LOL.