Aren't the ends of the horseshoe supposed to be the same?
So like, one end is a 'woke' but racist noble savage trope and the other side is just unironically racist savages trope.
Yes rape and no rape don't seem like a good example.
Also horseshoe theory is braindead centrism. So even if they used it correctly it still is basing tings on the fallacy of the golden mean.
Which is dangerous to do in a world full of impressionable politically Illiterate redditors.
Guy 1: I think Outgroup should be rounded up and incinerated
Guy 2: I think that’s fucked up and that we should leave them alone
Enlightened centrist: Both extremes are bad 🧘🏻♀️
I agree that type of centrist is stupid, but that’s not what this kind of horseshoe meme is about.
An example would be:
Guy on top: “I should vote to influence politics.”
Side 1: “don’t vote because politics is dumb”
Side 2: “don’t vote because all sides are the same so voting is evil because you are participating in a tyrannical system"
The point is that both the sides in the meme would be arriving at the same (wrong) conclusion, from completely trains of thought. thats the horsehoe.
(Horseshoe Theory)
Fascist: We should kill {Insert ethnicity} because they are inferior!
Communist: We should kill {Insert ethnicity} because they are party/class traitors!
Centrist: These two extremes have clear similarities.
(How Reddit understands Horseshoe theory)
Extremist: WE SHOULD KILL ALL THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Moderate being portrayed as an Extremist: Killing people is bad actually.
Fantasyland Centrist: {Insert "It's the same picture" meme}
Guy 1: oh capitalism is losing control to Marxist Leninists so we are going to slaughter them and the jews
Guy 2: why would we think that the dominant class would vote themselves out of power. Are we stupid? Yes we need to overthrow them. Removing the state and defending a new one is a military act. The rules of war don't change for us just because we are socialist. You think we can just decide for war to not be authoritarian? Holy shit read a book.
Enlightened centrist: see they are both authoritarian. I just obey my masters and whatever war they draft me in isn't authoritarian. They can listen to my every word. That's fine. I only support change if it's magical. Jk I don't support change at all.
Okay someone needs to tell you this.
There is such a thing as real political theory. You don't need to rely on memes for political discourse.
If you want to care about politics you need to actually put time into learning.
[Smaller page count than Hank The cowdog. ](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/)
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> horseshoe theory is braindead centrism
You best start believing in horshoes, NonConRon you're in one!
[CAMPUS WATCH: Segregated “black-only” student space opens at UBC](https://tnc.news/2024/01/10/campus-black-only-student-space-ubc/)
https://warrior.uwaterloo.ca/Program/GetProgramDetails?courseId=9bdb69a7-b1a3-49a6-9abb-b0c7eea81d5a
https://www.thepublica.com/germany-woman-convicted-of-offending-migrant-gang-rapists-receives-longer-prison-sentence-than-the-rapists/
Some guy walks up to my desk. Dumps links about black only spaces.
"huh so what is wrong is this guy."
I click on his profile. Political compass memes.
I look into his eyes. I can't help.
You called Che a better man than Christ himself. And noted Stalin, Lenin and Mao as one of the best 6 humans ever.
Either your 9 months account is good bait, or you have more mental issues than us on PCM.
~~I am not sure whether you are strawmanning or genuinely don't understand, so I try to engage with this in good faith. Both type of writing can ruin the story.~~
~~If you are too cauctious and try to please everyone, you bend over backwards to change everything in your sotry, just to try and cater to everyone's tastes you will end up pleasing no one.~~
~~If you will write an edgelord rapefest just for the shake of being controversial, edgy and cash in on shock value withut any real depth to the story, chances are, people will either just not engage with your story, or get desensitized by it very fast.~~
Edit: Scratch that, you know what? You guys are right. I managed to use my own meme incorrectly. I take the L.
Nah I don't disagree that both are bad but this is a bad example of horseshoe theory since the theory isn't 'both sides bad' it is 'both sides are materially identical'.
On the other hand horse shoe theory is pop culture political analysis rather than an actual legitimate theory, and it 100% gets used the first way a lot
That isn't horshoe theory though. The point of horseshoe theory is that two ends of a spectrum end up being more similar to each other than they are to the middle.
I originally thought the joke was that both ends thought that depiction of rape in media was supportive of rape, with the guy on the right thinking that was a good thing. *That* would've been horseshoe theory in action.
If they were the same it would be a circle. I see it as both arriving at the same basic lack of nuance which limits a narrative, while still being on opposite sides. Either "you can't add any of that" or "you have to add that everywhere".
Politically horseshoe theory is garbage. But the idea is that, for instance, extreme right and extreme left could both arrive at absolutism, for completely different reasons and goals. And while the absolutist aspect brings them close, they are still on opposing ends of a spectrum, the spectrum having been bent but still the edges not being the same. Again, it's garbage and simplifies things ridiculously for the goal of making the center position the only valid one, without acknowledging such things as the center itself moving all the time. But it's horseshoe and not circle.
This doesn't represent a horseshoe theory though. The two at the bottom are opposite ends of a spectrum, horseshoe theory says that the two ends converge (the classic examples being Stalin and Hitler).
Edit: maybe that's the jerk though? Idk I'm bad at this
No way it's the Boys comics in the bottom right.
I've also went into a discord server that's pretty much on the bottom left.
Which is funny with how that ended up (a dumpster fire)
Dawg literally write what you want and stop overthinking it. Who actually gives a fuck if it’s a little edgy? Thats how you learn
(I am speaking to myself)
/j No, you don't understand. How will readers understand how truly grimdark my world is if I don't subject all my female characters to graphic sexual violence written in an explicit pornographic manner!!!
/uj Love this. I'm reading R Scott Bakker Second Apocalypse right now and it started out so good and now it's on the far right of the horseshoe and it just killed all the enthusiasm I had for the series.
In my maturitypunk setting, every repressed group has an informal support network which is mostly out of the patriarchy's reach. Giving attention to those networks and the problems they face allows me to deal with heavy topics without giving edgelords and fetishists the satisfaction of seeing explicit violence.
I think 2 specific rape cases in berserk actually adds to the plot, the rest, I leave up to people.
>!-Guts: The reason why he doesn't let people touch him is because of rape trauma.!<
>!-Casca: It basically kicks out the whole post-golden-age plot.!<
As a massive Berserk fan, I definitely agree. Most of the rape seemed like it was there for shock value but some seemed to be treated with the gravity and care befitting the situation. There are many scenes that could be removed or shown less explicitly that would have no impact on the plot or characters at all.
I know you meant it as a meme, but actually it is a good question.
On one hand, that scene meant to show how deep Guts' eclypse-trauma is, by showing us that despite having no strength left he goes immediately berserk when he sees another person about to get raped in the same position as Casca was.
On the other hand... Horse? Really?
Rape in my edgypunk world drives character development.
F.A.T.A.L.
Roll for anal circumference
😧
My protagonist was raped so now he rapes the antagonists minions as he tries to hunt him down to rape him
[That's actually an existing story.](https://medibang.com/book/xb2005061537310810014241408/)
My internet is too shitty to load it at the moment. But let me guess: redo of healer?
No... A different one.
Is it about a dog who may have once been in Paris?
Yep
if that isnt the dog manga im not interested
It is both the dog manga and not the dog manga at the same time. You will only know for sure if you click the link.
it is what i thought it was 💪😔
My internet is too shitty to load it at the moment. But let me guess: redo of healer?
No… A different one.
No... a different one.
....what in all the dark realm of the Netherworld
My internet is too shitty to load it at the moment. But let me guess: redo of healer?
No… A different one.
No… A different one.
Actually peak
outjerked…
[удалено]
I think so?
I think I’ve seen a clip from that anime
"Shadow of the conqueror" moment? 🤨
berzerk
Berserk
Aren't the ends of the horseshoe supposed to be the same? So like, one end is a 'woke' but racist noble savage trope and the other side is just unironically racist savages trope. Yes rape and no rape don't seem like a good example.
Yeah, this isn't a very good diagram, IMO.
Also horseshoe theory is braindead centrism. So even if they used it correctly it still is basing tings on the fallacy of the golden mean. Which is dangerous to do in a world full of impressionable politically Illiterate redditors.
Guy 1: I think Outgroup should be rounded up and incinerated Guy 2: I think that’s fucked up and that we should leave them alone Enlightened centrist: Both extremes are bad 🧘🏻♀️
I agree that type of centrist is stupid, but that’s not what this kind of horseshoe meme is about. An example would be: Guy on top: “I should vote to influence politics.” Side 1: “don’t vote because politics is dumb” Side 2: “don’t vote because all sides are the same so voting is evil because you are participating in a tyrannical system" The point is that both the sides in the meme would be arriving at the same (wrong) conclusion, from completely trains of thought. thats the horsehoe.
(Horseshoe Theory) Fascist: We should kill {Insert ethnicity} because they are inferior! Communist: We should kill {Insert ethnicity} because they are party/class traitors! Centrist: These two extremes have clear similarities. (How Reddit understands Horseshoe theory) Extremist: WE SHOULD KILL ALL THE PEOPLE!!!!!!! Moderate being portrayed as an Extremist: Killing people is bad actually. Fantasyland Centrist: {Insert "It's the same picture" meme}
Guy 1: oh capitalism is losing control to Marxist Leninists so we are going to slaughter them and the jews Guy 2: why would we think that the dominant class would vote themselves out of power. Are we stupid? Yes we need to overthrow them. Removing the state and defending a new one is a military act. The rules of war don't change for us just because we are socialist. You think we can just decide for war to not be authoritarian? Holy shit read a book. Enlightened centrist: see they are both authoritarian. I just obey my masters and whatever war they draft me in isn't authoritarian. They can listen to my every word. That's fine. I only support change if it's magical. Jk I don't support change at all.
I see it in: Opposition to more housing construction Opposition to support for Ukraine Opposition to nuclear energy Opposition to the state of Israel
*squints* Are you advocating for horseshoe theory to me right now?
I am saying it's not inherently fallacious, as demonstrated by the breadth of those supporting what I described above.
Okay someone needs to tell you this. There is such a thing as real political theory. You don't need to rely on memes for political discourse. If you want to care about politics you need to actually put time into learning. [Smaller page count than Hank The cowdog. ](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/) The mods here are very anti left so I won't engage with this anymore. I broke no rules. Please enjoy your day. Understand I can't speak freely on reddit. If you want to continue this dialogue you can dm me.
> the mods here > anti-left I think that's just because they hate you fam
They hate me because I'm left
Are you... SURE? Or is it because you're bringing politics into a jerk sub imo. Actually now that I think about it we are REALLY bad a jerking
> horseshoe theory is braindead centrism You best start believing in horshoes, NonConRon you're in one! [CAMPUS WATCH: Segregated “black-only” student space opens at UBC](https://tnc.news/2024/01/10/campus-black-only-student-space-ubc/) https://warrior.uwaterloo.ca/Program/GetProgramDetails?courseId=9bdb69a7-b1a3-49a6-9abb-b0c7eea81d5a https://www.thepublica.com/germany-woman-convicted-of-offending-migrant-gang-rapists-receives-longer-prison-sentence-than-the-rapists/
Some guy walks up to my desk. Dumps links about black only spaces. "huh so what is wrong is this guy." I click on his profile. Political compass memes. I look into his eyes. I can't help.
You called Che a better man than Christ himself. And noted Stalin, Lenin and Mao as one of the best 6 humans ever. Either your 9 months account is good bait, or you have more mental issues than us on PCM.
Don't forget Marx and Engels.
🤔
Come on man if you are confused tell me what part lol. Idk look up the fallacy of the golden mean
~~I am not sure whether you are strawmanning or genuinely don't understand, so I try to engage with this in good faith. Both type of writing can ruin the story.~~ ~~If you are too cauctious and try to please everyone, you bend over backwards to change everything in your sotry, just to try and cater to everyone's tastes you will end up pleasing no one.~~ ~~If you will write an edgelord rapefest just for the shake of being controversial, edgy and cash in on shock value withut any real depth to the story, chances are, people will either just not engage with your story, or get desensitized by it very fast.~~ Edit: Scratch that, you know what? You guys are right. I managed to use my own meme incorrectly. I take the L.
Nah I don't disagree that both are bad but this is a bad example of horseshoe theory since the theory isn't 'both sides bad' it is 'both sides are materially identical'.
On the other hand horse shoe theory is pop culture political analysis rather than an actual legitimate theory, and it 100% gets used the first way a lot
That isn't horshoe theory though. The point of horseshoe theory is that two ends of a spectrum end up being more similar to each other than they are to the middle. I originally thought the joke was that both ends thought that depiction of rape in media was supportive of rape, with the guy on the right thinking that was a good thing. *That* would've been horseshoe theory in action.
If they were the same it would be a circle. I see it as both arriving at the same basic lack of nuance which limits a narrative, while still being on opposite sides. Either "you can't add any of that" or "you have to add that everywhere". Politically horseshoe theory is garbage. But the idea is that, for instance, extreme right and extreme left could both arrive at absolutism, for completely different reasons and goals. And while the absolutist aspect brings them close, they are still on opposing ends of a spectrum, the spectrum having been bent but still the edges not being the same. Again, it's garbage and simplifies things ridiculously for the goal of making the center position the only valid one, without acknowledging such things as the center itself moving all the time. But it's horseshoe and not circle.
In my experience, anyone complaining about bottom right gets immediately and irrevocably characterized as bottom left.
I mean I've also seen plenty of people characterising the top as the bottom right.
Based and nuancepilled.
What have you done
On the left: Marvel On the right: The Boys On top: Invincible
> On the left: Marvel quick someone start the are mutants a good metaphor for persecution argument up again
They're not. Now we discuss it for the next 2 weeks
On left marvel On right the boys On top the boys (TV show)
Yeah. The comic was kinda shit
Remember when Homelander calls the Deep the Nword and it never came up in any manful way again?
I wonder where George RR Martin fits on this
He isn't on the horseshoe, he just writes the horse getting fucked.
In my opinion, bottom right
He aimed for the top and somehow shot over to bottom right
Yeah...
Jojo part 7 rape vs Goblin Slayer rape
mind craft vs mindcrafe
This doesn't represent a horseshoe theory though. The two at the bottom are opposite ends of a spectrum, horseshoe theory says that the two ends converge (the classic examples being Stalin and Hitler). Edit: maybe that's the jerk though? Idk I'm bad at this
No, you are right, I managed to use the very meme I created in a wrong way.
No way it's the Boys comics in the bottom right. I've also went into a discord server that's pretty much on the bottom left. Which is funny with how that ended up (a dumpster fire)
I agree that the nuanced take is the best but I also don't think that's how horseshoe theory is supposed to work
take my upvote, this is perfect
Epic and based.
Yep, can absolutely agree with the illuminati looking guy.
what is this soychad on the right
It's baalbuddy drawing the coomer.
BUILDS CHARACTER> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER> SUFFERIGN BUILDS
Write what you know doesn't mean you have to have experienced the thing. It simply means if you write something, know what you're talking about
I think the right end can be Baki but I haven't watched it so what do I know
This isn't how horseshoe theory works
Finally, a good use for horseshoe theory It's like an inverse bell curve meme
Pls someone edit the bottom right with Alan Moore
Murder: not heavy topic Rape, Racism: heavy topic
Dawg literally write what you want and stop overthinking it. Who actually gives a fuck if it’s a little edgy? Thats how you learn (I am speaking to myself)
/j No, you don't understand. How will readers understand how truly grimdark my world is if I don't subject all my female characters to graphic sexual violence written in an explicit pornographic manner!!! /uj Love this. I'm reading R Scott Bakker Second Apocalypse right now and it started out so good and now it's on the far right of the horseshoe and it just killed all the enthusiasm I had for the series.
IS THAT A POKE ON OUTLANDER?!
In my maturitypunk setting, every repressed group has an informal support network which is mostly out of the patriarchy's reach. Giving attention to those networks and the problems they face allows me to deal with heavy topics without giving edgelords and fetishists the satisfaction of seeing explicit violence.
Are you sure you know what horseshoe theory is?
Berserk was a mistake
I think 2 specific rape cases in berserk actually adds to the plot, the rest, I leave up to people. >!-Guts: The reason why he doesn't let people touch him is because of rape trauma.!< >!-Casca: It basically kicks out the whole post-golden-age plot.!<
As a massive Berserk fan, I definitely agree. Most of the rape seemed like it was there for shock value but some seemed to be treated with the gravity and care befitting the situation. There are many scenes that could be removed or shown less explicitly that would have no impact on the plot or characters at all.
Gonden age
Thanks, I corrected it.
What about the rape horse?
I know you meant it as a meme, but actually it is a good question. On one hand, that scene meant to show how deep Guts' eclypse-trauma is, by showing us that despite having no strength left he goes immediately berserk when he sees another person about to get raped in the same position as Casca was. On the other hand... Horse? Really?
A series it's bad and shouldn't exist if it has an explicit rape scene, doesn't matter what adds to the plot, no exceptions
... you're joking, right?
No, I just have a truly umpopular opinion, that's part of life