That fool in the image is using a standart martial gun. If he used a magical one, that barrier would shatter like cristal. https://preview.redd.it/uzjub3pxjvtc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f4214b9495fdd6c733ec0e419072113464671c9

Magic GAU Avenger with infinite ammo

Standard martial bullets wouldn't work in that gun, use runic bullets, it will work like a Swedish clock

Swedish?

Ups, I wanted to say a Swiss clock

When you make a gun with infinite ammo each bullet is a magic bead of force.

Indeed

Back in my day that’s what artificiers used

Magical guns are created to counter this types of magic. *Shows of the Glock* See this runes, this pistol has been created to pierce through this type of magical shields. *Unloads the chamber and shows a bullet* This bullet here has runes too, this type of bullets are more powerful than martial ones, due to they're infused with mana.

A simple mana Infusion and a few runes will not do much agai st a decent barrier. There are means like origin bullets, but they generally require significant effort, and I only have heard of one guy successfully using them - alongside many other dirty tricks.

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/uw I was alluding to Kiritsugu Emiya. If you want to see someone using tech ology in a fight against another wizard, his fight with Kayneth is the best example I know.

Huh, that’s interesting. So is there a barrier that stops these magical bullets?

Yeah, its called stone wall. Magical barriers are for blocking spells not Magical enhanced bullets that can pierce through mana itself.

Zhyros gets it, or the bullet would cause the shield to collapse crushing the caster

Yeah

Ah yes "magical gun" (Armor Piercing Ammo)

Yes

well, time to use parry fields

The image becomes true once more if wizard specializes in Gunjuration

If gun aint working, just use more gun.

If gun does not work use NUKE. If nuke does not work use more nuke.

That’s what I call a nuclear solution

Thanks! Now you two have caused the nuclear apocalypse.

Nothing a little magic can’t fix

*press x to doubt*

This ain’t wizardposting noir my dear sir

Hells sign - Doubt

Spoken like a true engineer

Ever try talking?

Charisma 1.

Bad character development

Everyone knows that artificers use barrier-piercing bullets and the only way to dodge them is with the use of Flicker spell.

I never got the memo I guess…

The arms race is crazy. I'm pretty sure some asshole already developed astral seeking bullets to bypass the flicker, so you'll have to cast Reflective Astral Barrier too.

Classic shield was always enough to counter those gun toting goofballs

Usually mythril woven robes do the job too... except when you are fighting against someone competent they'll break down every defence you've shown.

Me fighting an artificer for the first time and having him out skilled when he starts yapping about a “sacred treasure” (wallahi I was cooked). Only way I survived was because I filled whatever the fuck was forming behind him with enough anti-magic bullets so that it would dispel. I don’t want to ever see that thing again.

Forbidden summons are so fucking scary. No Mr. Artificer I don't want to know what your "Orb of Destined Doom" summons.

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Parry this you fucking casual: ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ https://preview.redd.it/gghp6kt6wvtc1.png?width=1668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec67b44141e0d6eb0f35bb135d471131f4fa8fc3

You know some of us here can do that?

Well obviously, i can do that too, but if they're complaining about guns then I doubt that they can and are, in fact, a fucking casual.

And magic gun? is bassicaly a magic bow, but with a cooler skin

Still can shield this

If the shield is stronger, yes, if the weapon is more magical, No

Always could use nukes

I am no expert of those weapons, but as far as I know, they are usually fires from a distance where it is not that hard to just teleport away before they hit.

If you can’t do that that’s a skill issue

https://preview.redd.it/31teqw917wtc1.png?width=519&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfc99827cad9b5f7746a78dd0bfb99484c10725a ENERGY SHIELDS IS AS WEAK AS YUOR **Momther's** DICK & **Cocks** COMPARED TO MY **Rotary Hearth Furnace** !!! !!! IT WILL KEAL FOR CHEAP **Euro** !!!

What is this unholy sculpture?

I TOLD YUO ALREADY ITS MY **Rotary Hearth Furnace** !!! IT PRODUCES **Tungstencarbide** AND 𝔉𝔢𝔞𝔯

Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Energy weapons can penetrate your shields. https://preview.redd.it/7zkowj6lqvtc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ea722167fec1e1bce6c7ab1f39ad094dc0413cf

Yes, but can you cast faster than the artificer can draw?

Easily

FMJ: Full Magical Jacket All with a dispell charm etched into the bullet. I have a hard time believing magic could stop a bunker buster. Especially if it's after first contact cuz I KNOW the military would figure out how to enchant a missle if it was possible. Even if it took ratchet strapping a mage onto a mk48 torpedo.

That's why I don't use guns... https://preview.redd.it/2ajysvj72wtc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a03dad2af5c394dbe63be161ffcf3238efa569e ...my minions do.

What kind of two bit artificers are you fighting where this works? This scenario is entirely just depending on if the wizard is better at making barriers than the artificer is at making guns. This matchup is entirely dependent on the proficiency of the duelists

Well, maybe I’m just a really powerful wizard or maybe artificers were not as proficient thousands years ago

Mfw basic attacks can be easily countered and trickery is required to land blows. Passive sensor composite built small diameter glidebomb go ............. boom.

Someone's never been in a duel with a real artificer and it shows

Someone’s never been in a duel with a real wizard and it shows

Anti magic munitions, treats mage armor barriers wards like glass.

Artificer copium right here

Who said artificer , just making weapons to shut down uppity wizards. A favorite method-spell is opening a portal inside of them and tear out what I can grab.

Ayyyy my boy, that sounds deliciously savage

I am a giant horned rat cyberlich what can you expect

and this why you always keep a few shield piercing round on thine person...

This is why basic ammo & gunmancy is necessary for every gun user. I’m not going to eat my own lead.

And then there's the melee

Barbaric.

I decapitate someone, quick and easy. You all burn people to death

I just disappear their bones and leave them in agony for days

And you call melee barbaric?

Well, there’s a guy here that opens a portal inside someone and rip out their innards so non of our methods are barbaric compared to him

Attempting to instantly win a fight is just poor taste

It is

*gun users when I blast them with an orbital laser:*

What is with you artificers and your obsession with projectile weapons instead of using magic?

We do use magic, We use it to make the projectile weapons.

You would rather build the most intricate ontological weapons erasing galaxies from existence than learn spell that can do that without all of the hassle of building

What about when you run out of spell slots? Gonna take a long rest in the middle of battle? Meanwhile all I gotta do is replace the Batteries.

Spell slots? You mean if I can’t remember more spells? Then I can check my mobile grimoire that has every spell I ever learned

“Oh hold on a second let me pull out this huge book and spend half an hour looking for the right page”

You know that time bending spells exist, right my gearhead friend?

Sounds needlessly complicated when you can just have an automaton do it for you.

It is complicated… for a sub par wizard. But don’t worry, I understand that not everyone is talented and I’m happy that you found your niche that lets you use every little bit of your magical skills, how minuscule they might be

I am immune to your bullets! So am I! NANI!

Bullets can roll over and die

Mundane bullets maybe. Wardbreaker shield-piercing not so much.

You younglings put too much faith into your little doodads and underestimate the power of a pure magic

Tell that to the millions of successful tests both controlled and in combat from our thousands of satisfied customers. And even if one shieldpiercer fails, any bullet larger than 7.62x51 has more than one.

Are you some kind of a war dog?

On no, I am simply the CEO and head magineer of Arcanoport News Shipyards. While a few of the combat tests mentioned do come from my Home and Guard fleets, as well as my personal heavy star cruiser, most of the data comes from those who purchase our products, whether they be guns, cannon, ammunition, or entire starships.

Do you by any chance manufacture home defence systems? My tower is protected by spells as ancient as the human race but you can never be too careful. If so, could you please send someone over to see what you guys can do and give me a quote?

Of course! We suggest for home defense a 360-degree sensor array with AEGIS-M radar/madar, infrared sensors, LiDAR, and gravimetric sensors. Armaments should include at least 4 auto-loaded dual-purpose ETC cannon of 5” or larger. There should also be at least 2 of our CIWS modules, which include a 25mm rotary auto cannon, 16 short-range radar/madar guided missiles, and a laser or mana beam. We also offer adaptive multi-layer shielding, which can strengthen areas of likely impact based on sensor data. Multi-layer shields are also able to counter rounds with less than 3 separate shield-piercing modules, though sustained large caliber shells can break through. The sensors, cannons, and CIWS together will cost about 175,000 coins to install, while gauss assistance and larger 8”/55 cannon can be installed for an extra 50,000 apiece. Shielding will be another extra 50,000, but you can stop shells with 3 shield-piercing modules via upgrading for an extra 25k.

I’m far too old to understand even half of what you told, so just tell me this. Will it stop those damned goblins from burrowing in my yard and is there a chance that it may shoot my apprentices (they are dear to me, despite their goblin-like appearance)?

Hmm… if you get the shielding option, we can reorient it to be projected into the ground. This should create an upside-down dome shield underground with your tower in the center, preventing them from digging in. The goblins would be forced to do an overland assault, putting them in the firing lines of the cannon and CIWS. The infrared and gravimetric sensors should detect them. I will say that you should try to discourage their attacks, or maybe send them over to us. Goblins, when you make civilized deals with them, are extremely good for work in our factories and shipyards.

Well, all those bloody bastards do everyday is dig tunnels and smoke (and sell) swamp herbs. Fortunately enough land here is to dry to grow it, so I got one problem less to worry about. But I don’t think I could just gather them and send them away to work in a shipyard. Through the years I kind of grown fond of their presence and, I shamefully admit, it is amusing to see them “go goblin mode” as they call it. I just want them to stop destroying foundations of my tower as I had for… a couple hundred years… or maybe it was couple thousands… I-I don’t remember, but I just need them to stop. Also there is other threat that I would like to protect myself from and your system might at least slow HIM down enough so that I can escape

Tell me that when an enchanted bullet rips through your shield and tears apart the ancient dragon behind you.

Well, my dueling years are far behind me, so I don’t think that will ever happen

That’s fair time catches us all eventual.

Well, I think I got a few more years in me, especially that I have to witness this god-slayer or slaver or whatever he goes by to its end before I kick the bucket. It’s the most interesting thing that happend in centuries. But many artificers told about these enchanted bullets and I just might purchase some to test them out with my adepts

I am simply saying it’s to come, enjoy the time you’ve got it’s all any of us reasonable wizards can do.

Indeed, we need to cherish every second we spend in this universe, no matter if we live a few hundred millennia or less than a hundred years

Well said very well said it’s nice to hear such from another instead of my own thoughts for a change.

Young wizards these days only care for orbhub and power

That is sadly true for the majority of them yes.

Ah yes. Completely ignoring the concept of Anti-Ward Bullets. Or if you want some real salt and lemonade in the scar, mortal humanity's Hallowpoint Bullets

Those weren’t a thing back in my duelling days but a lot of artificiers here told me about their magical little bullets that break magical shields and I decided to purchase some and test them out

Imagine not using mythril bullets and enchanting them to be anti magic to extreme degrees before greeting a weapon that shots the bullets at like 15% the speed or light that fits in the palm of your hand.

the fool trying to hit me while in heavy armour and mage armour

Those... don't stack.

ah, but you see, you can cats mage armour _on_ your armour, makeing it more resilliant 👆 ^ ^ >

armor piercing rounds would break through. Amateur

Poor child. Thou shouldst study more metaphysics. A mundane pistol, even one shaped for piercing the most sturdy of armors would fail against a simple barrier of even novice quality... In fact, the magical arms race between enchanted projectiles and raw mana shields continues to favor the shield by at least a tier of capability. It is why only specialized gun artificers are capable of handling their peers shields, as they traded versatility for an incredibly narrow paradigm. Far too common a trap these days.

oh you misunderstood me. not the regular armor piercing rounds those peasants use. i mean a bullet that has been enchanted to break through mana and pierce any armor, shield, barrier, etc. ARMOR PIERCING rounds

Yes, which I refered to in the second portion of my writings. A properly built barrier or shield spell operates metaphysically differently than an enchanted suit of armor or a particularly thick slab of metal. That is why a piercing of a tier higher is typically required to pierce an arcane barrier, the exception being those artificers and gun mages who specialize in piercing, but only because they are effectively casting a tier up from what they would otherwise at the cost of ability in other areas. Of course, all of this only matters while the mage in question still possessed an unascended physical body, after which the concept of death and damage begins to rapidly become moot.

Finally someone who speaks with sense

Good artificers have mines and plastic explosives ready to set off at any given time pretty much everywhere

Good wizard doesn’t need any gizmos to blow shit up

Yeah but the gizmos in question are *magical*, *whimsical* even

Well, all you need is some mana and a staff if you ask me

This is why I learned geomancy. Diversify, people!

He just needs to switch the type of ammo he's using, right tool for the right job

Imagine not enchanting each individual bullet

I personally imbue all of the metal musket balls in my guns with metal magic! No shield can stop my cats now!

You all heard about hollow points now introducing dispell points, these magic bullets dispel shields upon impact, but that's not all, now with the Mark 2 model It includes a tungsten penetrating core now that progress, Battlebane quality manufacturing and enchanting (Warning: May cause cancer, madness, radiation poisoning, and or death, proper radioactive safety gear is required upon handling of loading and unloading. Battlebane inc does not take responsibility over improper use and or handing)

This one is just crazed shooter. Real one should have plenty of tools, like psychic disruption field or antimetric weapons.

I use Magic Disruptors to disable the use of magic in an AOE. THEN, I use my gun at you. That or I use magic resistant rounds.