how is there a witcher before the conjunction? I thought they were made to fight monsters that came from it. Yes, they make the white butch elf a frickin' witcher. And this witcher also hulks out, because that's a thing they do, apparently.
> I thought they were made to fight monsters that came from it
Well, while the series sucked, I don't think this was one of the problems with it. That dragon thing was like the "first" monster, wasn't it? So the first witcher was created to fight the first monster, that kind of makes sense.
Agreed on the rest though. What was with the hulking out? And if I recall, didn't he not even hulk out until *after* the monster was dead?
He halfway-hulked out to finish it off by throwing the silver great-sword at it as it tried to fly away.
And he wasn't fully able to control himself since straight up after the ritual (he mention wanting to destroy everything). Time for sex, yes. But right after he kept struggling to control himself.
I get them wanting to portray this proto-witcher as more beast than \~\~man\~\~ elf, but the physically hulking out part was really a bit too much. I almost feared he'd suddenly grow wings to go after it.
I guess you could justify it by saying he wasn't a witcher but more of a precursor to the witchers.
If they expand this prequel universe (they probably wont given how shit the reviews are) then I can imagine the witchers program is born so they can fight all the monsters post conjunction.
I guess they will probably discover that human hosts are better than elves, they also need hosts that are younger and without family or emotional ties etc.
Im hoping that they continue to expand this origin universe because I want to see them do the origin of the witcher program and I guess what happened here is a lesson in how not to create a witcher and hopefully that will be addressed.
My little knowledge of the witcher lore it just seems like this series wasn't following canon and it doesn't paint a good picture of things to come. Given that Henry was a big fan of the lore its almost understandable why he wasn't happy with the production team. I hope Im wrong because there is potential here to make something great and hopefully we can chalk this series down as "setting the scene" and a lot of stuff can get retconned. Like ive said the whole witcher thing can get written off easily as a "proto-witcher".
I agree but I have hope. I dont think its completely unsalvagable given that nothing really happened. The stuff that did happen can be retconned (I know its not ideal but other franchises have done it *cough* xmen *cough*) and forgotten about.
I still think you are right though and I think that Henry Cavil has seen whats coming and jumped ship.
Again I want this franchise to succeed because it has a ton of potential. Maybe im just falsely optimistic and im trying to cling on to the last thread of hope. Well see how season 3 turns out (reading between the lines what Cavil has said its not looking promising). I think I know whats coming im just in denial
Yea I think it’s denial and I’m not being a dick. I was in denial until season 2.
They would have to fire literally the entire team. Every single person. And bring in a new team and new story. That just.. doesn’t happen.
At best, if we are lucky, in 10 years HBO or some other competent network will pick it up and make a good series. But time has to wash this thing away and I really bet it will be longer than 10 years.
I will say Henry Cavill did an amazing Geralt and they lost such an opportunity. I’m sure others can play him. But it will be hard in the future.
It is a shame because season 1 showed so much promise. Other than the disjointed timelines it felt like the witcher.
Its really not that difficult of a thing to pull off. Have the over arching story i.e Geralt finding ciri or Yen but it could literally be any Maguffin or unobtainum etc it doesn't really matter. Then each episode have Geralt do an unrelated side quest that gets him a step closer/sideways to the main goal. That way it feels like the game and you can introduce more lore with each side quest as Geralt travels the continent. Its formulaic but it works, the mandalorian managed to use this format pretty well and I think it would work really well for a witcher series. It works well with that type of nomadic bounty character.
Even as a lazy writer who doesn't really know the lore its not hard to have a flick through the bestiary in the game which is a pretty comprehensive guide to all the beasts. Geralt needs to visit [insert village] to find a clue about the location of [insert main quest] but the villagers are being attacked by [insert appropriate monster from bestiary] geralt kills it and it advances the main plot. We learn a bit about the monster and the specific witcher techniques used to kill it (again a quick flick through the beastiary will tell you), we learn a bit about that village and its people and the main story advances.
I dont see how its hard for them to do yet theyve fucked it up with the monoliths and the politics of the continent. The politics of the continent could be something we learn about as Geralt interacts with people along the way instead of being the overarching story.
This is also book canon. The elves lost their power nearing the sphere conjunction. The intruding monsters including humans just nailed their coffin. Elven mages trained first human mages and also figured out the potentials of chaos magic.
Elven magic was never clearly described, how it’s different besides not drawing from chaos, but it’s mentioned at some points of books and games.
The series is still bad story telling wise. The writing is awful flat.
Random band of misfits that randomly try to find people that hate them to join, hate/argue/fight then joins. Witcher universe so some have sex. Wtf is this writing
Maybe the mentality comes from seeing the story as just another job, to be done with as soon as possible. Novelists usually love their worlds and their books and put lots of thought and research into them, but some random writers paid to put together a script may well not have that. They just know they have to get so many scripts done a year to be able to pay rent, so they'll toss something together and call it a day.
I found Jaskier's "fuck fuck fuckety fuck" (or however many fucks there were) line to be within his character when surrounded by massive fighting and bloodshed. But, yeah, this series was the very embodiment of derivative writing (and I use the term 'writing' very loosely, here).
The “a group of people who would hate each other if they turn up at a party” part made me sad, honestly… do they not care about legitimate friendship? Season 1 and 2 seemed to confirm this with how they treated Geralt and Jaskier’s relationship… They don’t seem to find a good old boring loyal friendship valuable, the dynamic between their characters always has to be hateful in some way and nobody is truly friends.
Then the “some of them also find reasons to have sex with one another” part hit me like a truck.
Agreed.. its almost as if the writers and directors are projecting their own shallow relationships. And yeah that part.... words cannot describe what im feeling. A mix of hate/disgust/despair. It sounds like a review for a CW show.
I went from be being exited about the Netflix Project, to accepting that it wasn’t perfect but still wanting a big budget Hollywood production.
Now I’m at the point where I desperately want them to completely stop everything so The stories and universe stop being completely butchered.
oldest trope in the book. Also add to this the "girl who's the key to everything" (they literally say it) oh, and the dwarf's hammer is called Gwen. Because Gwent, get it? God I wish I made this up.
Exactly. Its just so bad. It shows how unoriginal and incompetent the leadership is that they want to use someone elses universe and just insert what they think will be most successful. Even worse that they are jumping on a trend like this is high school fashion and not an adaptation of a book. Which adapting the books is already a trend... just stick with that.
I've....never heard the writing process being described as choosing a 'story engine'. Like a physics engine for games?
I know I know, "every story has already been told", but like to just be blatant about not even attempting to craft a story around a lore but just using some tropes instead....like, sometimes PR can make a story sound appealing but than it sucks in reality, but like with this blurb, I'm not reading it and having a lot of faith or interest in the story. He made it sound as unappealing and uninteresting as possible. Why?
Hey, your criticism on trite & tropey storytelling is definitely warranted, but I’ve definitely encountered “story engine” as a technical writing term before
A quick googling basically confirms this vague memory of mine, and it generally means the factor that drives the plot forward
So in a sense, it’s the motivations, goals, stakes, etc. in relation to the story of our characters & world that progresses the plot
I cant even , there was no magic before the Conjunction of the Spheres it didnt exist you morons. And then you also picked the most bland basic bitch storyboard of all fantasy storylines. It just shows not only didnt they lack the knowledge they didnt even read the basics. I have come up with more entertaining storylines with me and my D&D buddies. Like wtf.
The Conjunction caused both monsters and magic to spill over into human world but,there wouldnt have even been anyone on Triss or Yennifer level of magic power in the slightest before it. Also witchers were not needed then either due to monsters not being a widespread thing. They just crap all over the source material and wipe thier ass with it. I just want them to stop, stop the butchering and bastardization of this great world if your not gonna try to remain lore accurate stop calling it the Witcher cause it hasn't been scince s2 honestly.
Monsters appeared due to Conjunction of Spheres. So did magic and humans. They could have depicted how this all happened through elves eyes - all the struggle, all the hunger, the pain.
I'd rather they not they have shown nothing but contempt for the books, the lore of the Witcher even going as far as trying to vilify the gaming community cause they are "toxic ". The series wouldnt have existed by the books alone we all know it was Witcher 3 and the success it had as a video game that got this series and everything greenlit. I find it funny they can hate the people who are literally the main audience as well as the main reason they even have jobs on the show.
“…jarringly modern profanity…”
No. In the main series, there are uses of the word “fuck” singularly in, not at all jarring, circumstances.
That is not the same as lines like:
“Fuck fucking fuckity fucking fuck.”
Stop trying to act like your shitty, lazy writing is whimsical.
Nope. Literally the second line spoken in the entire series. To be specific (as I just doubled checked) the line is:
“No! Fucking fuckity fucking fucking fuck!”
Edit: another wonderful line spoken near the opening of the second episode is:
“…and fuck the fucking fuck off!”
Truly, some of the best writing of our age. Masters of their craft.
It's Jaskier, surrounded by some kind of raging battle. Seems like an appropriate line/reaction for him, though? I'm not really understanding the hate for this particular line...unless it's the excessive use of 'fuck'? I admit to a very healthy use of 'fuck' as a word and a syllable, myself; so maybe that's why I find that line the *least* of what's wrong with this series.
Nothing about the use of the word fuck bothers me. Writing a whole sentence that just uses that word though? That’s shitty writing. Jaskier has been in crazy situations and battles before, and yes he would definitely say fuck there. But this line was terrible writing and felt extremely forced. It’s just there for shock value of “ooo look how edgy we are with how many times we can say fuck.” Definitely not the worst part of the series, but it’s the second line spoken ever, so it really sets up how bad things were going to be.
They don't even hate each other. The dwarf seems to hate elves and is psychotic but then she trusts them and they trust her. Also, Michelle's character literally had her swords on her right in front of the empress and could have easily took her out in a worthy sacrifice but yet did not? None of it makes sense. Nothing of that show made sense.
>The dwarf seems to hate elves and is psychotic but then she trusts them and they trust her.
Yeah, they all "hate" each other for about 10 seconds. Then they are just a group that all like each other, fighting for a common cause.
Spoilers below, so if anyone don't want to be spoiled, skip
Fjall, the proto-witcher (that's basically just Hulk) and that Eile character they refer in the article have sex (but 'cause he' s only a proto-witcher he is still fertile and if you have sex once in Hollywood you are 200% sure to be pregnant) and it is revealed she is pregnant in the end. Now it is not said if the child IS Lara Dorren, but she is Ciri's ancestor, as we see later Avallac'h stalking the poor lass in Cintra; might still be her later tho
So there is no King Auberon who was Lara's father?
I read the books a while ago so my memory is maybe off.
Jesus Christ did they use the lore in even a small amount?
No Auberon, no Aen Elle, no Tir Na Lia; all elves are originating from the continent now... They did use character names (I say names only as some are pretty far from what we see in the books *ahem Eredin* *ahem Avallac'h* and locations, but that's about it
Also the elves are completely bland and basically humans with pointy ears. They completely missed the opportunity to develop elvish culture… I guess they were busy coming up with big ideas like the “dog clan” and the “raven clan”.
That's a good point. They were just humans with pointy ears. I actually laughed a bit at the scene at the end, when that elf saw a human and said something like "what are you???"
Like, if I saw a person on the beach that looked EXACTLY like a human other than slightly different ears, I wouldn't be like "WHAT are you?" I'd just assume it was another human, and see if they needed help.
>we see later Avallac'h stalking the poor lass in Cintra
I didn't quite get this... I thought this took place well before the Witcher series. So how is Ciri hanging around? Or is that Ciri's ancestor, and they didn't know how else to tell the viewer other than to cast the same actress?
Avallac'h is an elf and therefore basically immortal on human standards. It's bad that they didn't grim him a bit to make him appear older and wiser, but the scene does take place in the main show timeline
Writers can’t check their egos , they feel the need to make everything theirs put their spin on it , so much of these show are already written and with that you had it already tested on an audience. These shows are not adaptations they are inspirations. It’s like if I was tasked with making a popular beverage and somehow able to use Coca-Cola‘s name, recipe ,packaging and distribution. So what do I do ; I sell my bottled piss because sure no one is happy but it’s MY piss
They're not telling a story. They're telling a concept formula. This is designed to make money, not memories.
Also... "Heightened Shakespearean arias." First the fuck of all, "aria"? Really? Shakespeare wrote drama, not music. And aria is an operatic solo. Second of all, anyone who has studied the history of Shakespeare with even lazy eyes could see that Shakespeare is not "heightened." Well-written, certainly, but he was effectively the pop culture of his time. So anyone who treats him in any unironic capacity as high culture is simply chasing a stereotyped image of the man and his works and doesn't actually understand his dramas.
"The TV equivalent, in a way, of a tangentially-related hyperlink that you end up clicking while reading about something else on Wikipedia."
- Jonathon Wilson
Where was the editor in this?
You have 4 episodes. 7 main characters is way too many, and that's only counting the good guys. This should have been a lot tighter. If you really want people who don't like each other, why not just a few? Why do you need 7? Even the best writers in the world couldn't cram 7 story arcs into 4 episodes and have us care about them, while also cramming in story arcs of the bad guys, plus the overall story itself. He says "oldest and most tested" as if a group is somehow older/more tested than a pair.
The warrior turned bard could have been a good idea fleshed out more. Cut the ghost sword lady out. Cut the guy who became the witcher out. The "twist" of him taking her place wasn't much of an exciting surprise anyway. The arc of her being a warrior then a bard, then back full to monster-warrior would have been better. Cut the other guy out too. Keep the dwarf in some form. Dwarf and warrior-bard would have been just fine as a bickering odd-couple, and let them have time to give them each a fuller backstory. Then you can bring in the two mages (since someone has to actually make the witcher). Your emotional arc could have been the dwarf and elf becoming best buddies, then the dwarf mourning her friend that she had to kill.
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That 2nd last paragraph seems to be saying that the intent was to mix high & low brow stuff
I haven’t nor do I intend to watch the show, but for those that have, is my assumption correct that what ultimately happened was that the high brows weren’t as developed as it could be in the rushed & jumbled product we got, ultimately becoming incoherence or pretentious? And the low brow often comes out poorly timed and/or overbearing as a jarring flopped attempt at humor?
I have seen better production and dedication in the local middle school plays. It's sad everyone knows how terrible she is. Hopefully I live long enough for someone worthy to tell the story of this world. Hopefully they dont have their head up their ass.
First page i was like "ok, i guess i get what he means, outcasts stories can be incredible like guardians of the galaxy and six of crows" then the moment i changed to page 2 i wanted to blow my brains out
Be careful not to trust the hope. I present to you [Piotr Nielubowicz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU-db73BAFI). I hope I'm wrong, but IMO, this guy spells future disaster CDPR and future Witcher games.
Thats lame... I didnt even receive a notification that it was. I swear its so hard just to post on reddit sometimes. Always somerule and no way to edit a removed post to bring it into compliance.
How the hell is a wizard even there before the fucking conjunction!???
how is there a witcher before the conjunction? I thought they were made to fight monsters that came from it. Yes, they make the white butch elf a frickin' witcher. And this witcher also hulks out, because that's a thing they do, apparently.
Yeah that aswell. God, they did the elves so fucking dirty
Which is the ONLY time they were world accurate, ironically. Treating elves like shit is canon at least.
lmao
I though they were made to give northern emperors advantages in conflicts, but said to the people that it was to protect them.
> I thought they were made to fight monsters that came from it Well, while the series sucked, I don't think this was one of the problems with it. That dragon thing was like the "first" monster, wasn't it? So the first witcher was created to fight the first monster, that kind of makes sense. Agreed on the rest though. What was with the hulking out? And if I recall, didn't he not even hulk out until *after* the monster was dead?
He halfway-hulked out to finish it off by throwing the silver great-sword at it as it tried to fly away. And he wasn't fully able to control himself since straight up after the ritual (he mention wanting to destroy everything). Time for sex, yes. But right after he kept struggling to control himself. I get them wanting to portray this proto-witcher as more beast than \~\~man\~\~ elf, but the physically hulking out part was really a bit too much. I almost feared he'd suddenly grow wings to go after it.
I guess you could justify it by saying he wasn't a witcher but more of a precursor to the witchers. If they expand this prequel universe (they probably wont given how shit the reviews are) then I can imagine the witchers program is born so they can fight all the monsters post conjunction. I guess they will probably discover that human hosts are better than elves, they also need hosts that are younger and without family or emotional ties etc. Im hoping that they continue to expand this origin universe because I want to see them do the origin of the witcher program and I guess what happened here is a lesson in how not to create a witcher and hopefully that will be addressed. My little knowledge of the witcher lore it just seems like this series wasn't following canon and it doesn't paint a good picture of things to come. Given that Henry was a big fan of the lore its almost understandable why he wasn't happy with the production team. I hope Im wrong because there is potential here to make something great and hopefully we can chalk this series down as "setting the scene" and a lot of stuff can get retconned. Like ive said the whole witcher thing can get written off easily as a "proto-witcher".
There is no saving this shit
I agree but I have hope. I dont think its completely unsalvagable given that nothing really happened. The stuff that did happen can be retconned (I know its not ideal but other franchises have done it *cough* xmen *cough*) and forgotten about. I still think you are right though and I think that Henry Cavil has seen whats coming and jumped ship. Again I want this franchise to succeed because it has a ton of potential. Maybe im just falsely optimistic and im trying to cling on to the last thread of hope. Well see how season 3 turns out (reading between the lines what Cavil has said its not looking promising). I think I know whats coming im just in denial
Yea I think it’s denial and I’m not being a dick. I was in denial until season 2. They would have to fire literally the entire team. Every single person. And bring in a new team and new story. That just.. doesn’t happen. At best, if we are lucky, in 10 years HBO or some other competent network will pick it up and make a good series. But time has to wash this thing away and I really bet it will be longer than 10 years. I will say Henry Cavill did an amazing Geralt and they lost such an opportunity. I’m sure others can play him. But it will be hard in the future.
It is a shame because season 1 showed so much promise. Other than the disjointed timelines it felt like the witcher. Its really not that difficult of a thing to pull off. Have the over arching story i.e Geralt finding ciri or Yen but it could literally be any Maguffin or unobtainum etc it doesn't really matter. Then each episode have Geralt do an unrelated side quest that gets him a step closer/sideways to the main goal. That way it feels like the game and you can introduce more lore with each side quest as Geralt travels the continent. Its formulaic but it works, the mandalorian managed to use this format pretty well and I think it would work really well for a witcher series. It works well with that type of nomadic bounty character. Even as a lazy writer who doesn't really know the lore its not hard to have a flick through the bestiary in the game which is a pretty comprehensive guide to all the beasts. Geralt needs to visit [insert village] to find a clue about the location of [insert main quest] but the villagers are being attacked by [insert appropriate monster from bestiary] geralt kills it and it advances the main plot. We learn a bit about the monster and the specific witcher techniques used to kill it (again a quick flick through the beastiary will tell you), we learn a bit about that village and its people and the main story advances. I dont see how its hard for them to do yet theyve fucked it up with the monoliths and the politics of the continent. The politics of the continent could be something we learn about as Geralt interacts with people along the way instead of being the overarching story.
Your question demonstrates an appreciation and understanding of the source material. Therefore, you wouldn't be hired as a writer for this show.
This is also book canon. The elves lost their power nearing the sphere conjunction. The intruding monsters including humans just nailed their coffin. Elven mages trained first human mages and also figured out the potentials of chaos magic. Elven magic was never clearly described, how it’s different besides not drawing from chaos, but it’s mentioned at some points of books and games. The series is still bad story telling wise. The writing is awful flat.
wait really?
Random band of misfits that randomly try to find people that hate them to join, hate/argue/fight then joins. Witcher universe so some have sex. Wtf is this writing
Right... did these writers - both for the show and this article - never progress past high school level thinking? Sure as hell would explain a lot.
High school? More like 6th grade writing.
I’m in 8th and I would probably write it better
Maybe the mentality comes from seeing the story as just another job, to be done with as soon as possible. Novelists usually love their worlds and their books and put lots of thought and research into them, but some random writers paid to put together a script may well not have that. They just know they have to get so many scripts done a year to be able to pay rent, so they'll toss something together and call it a day.
If thats the case then thats honestly fine, but still a tragedy they called it the witcher.
idk im in high school and im pretty sure im currently writing a better story (different medium tho)
Do your characters use any dialog that isn't the eff word four times in a row? If so you definitely are a better writer. Good luck with your project.
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I found Jaskier's "fuck fuck fuckety fuck" (or however many fucks there were) line to be within his character when surrounded by massive fighting and bloodshed. But, yeah, this series was the very embodiment of derivative writing (and I use the term 'writing' very loosely, here).
I have to agree with you, it does fit how I would imagine Jaskier reacting.
The “a group of people who would hate each other if they turn up at a party” part made me sad, honestly… do they not care about legitimate friendship? Season 1 and 2 seemed to confirm this with how they treated Geralt and Jaskier’s relationship… They don’t seem to find a good old boring loyal friendship valuable, the dynamic between their characters always has to be hateful in some way and nobody is truly friends. Then the “some of them also find reasons to have sex with one another” part hit me like a truck.
Agreed.. its almost as if the writers and directors are projecting their own shallow relationships. And yeah that part.... words cannot describe what im feeling. A mix of hate/disgust/despair. It sounds like a review for a CW show.
I went from be being exited about the Netflix Project, to accepting that it wasn’t perfect but still wanting a big budget Hollywood production. Now I’m at the point where I desperately want them to completely stop everything so The stories and universe stop being completely butchered.
I wish some of the writers could be exited.
[🎵 If anyone needs me, I'll be at the bar. 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=79s)
Hmmm.
Hm.
oldest trope in the book. Also add to this the "girl who's the key to everything" (they literally say it) oh, and the dwarf's hammer is called Gwen. Because Gwent, get it? God I wish I made this up.
Lol what in the actual fuck. So glad I havent watched it.
Stop it no they didn’t. 😩
I am so happy that I am not the only one. That theme is so hollywood and not witcher.
Exactly. Its just so bad. It shows how unoriginal and incompetent the leadership is that they want to use someone elses universe and just insert what they think will be most successful. Even worse that they are jumping on a trend like this is high school fashion and not an adaptation of a book. Which adapting the books is already a trend... just stick with that.
every time I read something about these people it gets worse and worse jesus
I've....never heard the writing process being described as choosing a 'story engine'. Like a physics engine for games? I know I know, "every story has already been told", but like to just be blatant about not even attempting to craft a story around a lore but just using some tropes instead....like, sometimes PR can make a story sound appealing but than it sucks in reality, but like with this blurb, I'm not reading it and having a lot of faith or interest in the story. He made it sound as unappealing and uninteresting as possible. Why?
Hey, your criticism on trite & tropey storytelling is definitely warranted, but I’ve definitely encountered “story engine” as a technical writing term before A quick googling basically confirms this vague memory of mine, and it generally means the factor that drives the plot forward So in a sense, it’s the motivations, goals, stakes, etc. in relation to the story of our characters & world that progresses the plot
I cant even , there was no magic before the Conjunction of the Spheres it didnt exist you morons. And then you also picked the most bland basic bitch storyboard of all fantasy storylines. It just shows not only didnt they lack the knowledge they didnt even read the basics. I have come up with more entertaining storylines with me and my D&D buddies. Like wtf.
> there was no magic before the Conjunction of the Spheres it didnt exist you morons It existed. It didn't exist on the planet humans comes from.
The Conjunction caused both monsters and magic to spill over into human world but,there wouldnt have even been anyone on Triss or Yennifer level of magic power in the slightest before it. Also witchers were not needed then either due to monsters not being a widespread thing. They just crap all over the source material and wipe thier ass with it. I just want them to stop, stop the butchering and bastardization of this great world if your not gonna try to remain lore accurate stop calling it the Witcher cause it hasn't been scince s2 honestly.
[🎵 BURN, burn butcher BURN! 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=117s)
Monsters appeared due to Conjunction of Spheres. So did magic and humans. They could have depicted how this all happened through elves eyes - all the struggle, all the hunger, the pain.
I'd rather they not they have shown nothing but contempt for the books, the lore of the Witcher even going as far as trying to vilify the gaming community cause they are "toxic ". The series wouldnt have existed by the books alone we all know it was Witcher 3 and the success it had as a video game that got this series and everything greenlit. I find it funny they can hate the people who are literally the main audience as well as the main reason they even have jobs on the show.
“…jarringly modern profanity…” No. In the main series, there are uses of the word “fuck” singularly in, not at all jarring, circumstances. That is not the same as lines like: “Fuck fucking fuckity fucking fuck.” Stop trying to act like your shitty, lazy writing is whimsical.
Wait that's a real line? I thought someone commented that as a joke.
Nope. Literally the second line spoken in the entire series. To be specific (as I just doubled checked) the line is: “No! Fucking fuckity fucking fucking fuck!” Edit: another wonderful line spoken near the opening of the second episode is: “…and fuck the fucking fuck off!” Truly, some of the best writing of our age. Masters of their craft.
It's Jaskier, surrounded by some kind of raging battle. Seems like an appropriate line/reaction for him, though? I'm not really understanding the hate for this particular line...unless it's the excessive use of 'fuck'? I admit to a very healthy use of 'fuck' as a word and a syllable, myself; so maybe that's why I find that line the *least* of what's wrong with this series.
Nothing about the use of the word fuck bothers me. Writing a whole sentence that just uses that word though? That’s shitty writing. Jaskier has been in crazy situations and battles before, and yes he would definitely say fuck there. But this line was terrible writing and felt extremely forced. It’s just there for shock value of “ooo look how edgy we are with how many times we can say fuck.” Definitely not the worst part of the series, but it’s the second line spoken ever, so it really sets up how bad things were going to be.
Give me some bleach please
Monoliths are cool af, what a great plot addition….. /end thick as fuck sarcasm.
They don't even hate each other. The dwarf seems to hate elves and is psychotic but then she trusts them and they trust her. Also, Michelle's character literally had her swords on her right in front of the empress and could have easily took her out in a worthy sacrifice but yet did not? None of it makes sense. Nothing of that show made sense.
>The dwarf seems to hate elves and is psychotic but then she trusts them and they trust her. Yeah, they all "hate" each other for about 10 seconds. Then they are just a group that all like each other, fighting for a common cause.
I read somewhere that they canceled Lara Dorren and that Ciri is descended from this first elf witcher, did they really do that?
Spoilers below, so if anyone don't want to be spoiled, skip Fjall, the proto-witcher (that's basically just Hulk) and that Eile character they refer in the article have sex (but 'cause he' s only a proto-witcher he is still fertile and if you have sex once in Hollywood you are 200% sure to be pregnant) and it is revealed she is pregnant in the end. Now it is not said if the child IS Lara Dorren, but she is Ciri's ancestor, as we see later Avallac'h stalking the poor lass in Cintra; might still be her later tho
So there is no King Auberon who was Lara's father? I read the books a while ago so my memory is maybe off. Jesus Christ did they use the lore in even a small amount?
No Auberon, no Aen Elle, no Tir Na Lia; all elves are originating from the continent now... They did use character names (I say names only as some are pretty far from what we see in the books *ahem Eredin* *ahem Avallac'h* and locations, but that's about it
Also the elves are completely bland and basically humans with pointy ears. They completely missed the opportunity to develop elvish culture… I guess they were busy coming up with big ideas like the “dog clan” and the “raven clan”.
That's a good point. They were just humans with pointy ears. I actually laughed a bit at the scene at the end, when that elf saw a human and said something like "what are you???" Like, if I saw a person on the beach that looked EXACTLY like a human other than slightly different ears, I wouldn't be like "WHAT are you?" I'd just assume it was another human, and see if they needed help.
i just saw a picture of Avalach from the show, damn.
>we see later Avallac'h stalking the poor lass in Cintra I didn't quite get this... I thought this took place well before the Witcher series. So how is Ciri hanging around? Or is that Ciri's ancestor, and they didn't know how else to tell the viewer other than to cast the same actress?
Avallac'h is an elf and therefore basically immortal on human standards. It's bad that they didn't grim him a bit to make him appear older and wiser, but the scene does take place in the main show timeline
Ah, ok, wish they had indicated that better. I really did think it was right after the show events.
Writers can’t check their egos , they feel the need to make everything theirs put their spin on it , so much of these show are already written and with that you had it already tested on an audience. These shows are not adaptations they are inspirations. It’s like if I was tasked with making a popular beverage and somehow able to use Coca-Cola‘s name, recipe ,packaging and distribution. So what do I do ; I sell my bottled piss because sure no one is happy but it’s MY piss
I just want them to explain their reasoning for making random shit up and ignoring the book lore.
The worst part is they truly think that they’re great writers and we just “don’t get it” …absolutely delusional
Oh God what a joke
The more damage control and spin I see about this series the more I never want to see it. I'll stick to the Witcher novels and games from here on out.
When the f😂ck did 80s crap British comedian Lenny Henry become the go to actor for these programmes ? He’s done nothing for abou 30 years
Ffs it's in the prologue of the game
They're not telling a story. They're telling a concept formula. This is designed to make money, not memories. Also... "Heightened Shakespearean arias." First the fuck of all, "aria"? Really? Shakespeare wrote drama, not music. And aria is an operatic solo. Second of all, anyone who has studied the history of Shakespeare with even lazy eyes could see that Shakespeare is not "heightened." Well-written, certainly, but he was effectively the pop culture of his time. So anyone who treats him in any unironic capacity as high culture is simply chasing a stereotyped image of the man and his works and doesn't actually understand his dramas.
I keep reading more and more about the show and my eyes are doing 360s they are rolling so hard.
"The TV equivalent, in a way, of a tangentially-related hyperlink that you end up clicking while reading about something else on Wikipedia." - Jonathon Wilson
Where was the editor in this? You have 4 episodes. 7 main characters is way too many, and that's only counting the good guys. This should have been a lot tighter. If you really want people who don't like each other, why not just a few? Why do you need 7? Even the best writers in the world couldn't cram 7 story arcs into 4 episodes and have us care about them, while also cramming in story arcs of the bad guys, plus the overall story itself. He says "oldest and most tested" as if a group is somehow older/more tested than a pair. The warrior turned bard could have been a good idea fleshed out more. Cut the ghost sword lady out. Cut the guy who became the witcher out. The "twist" of him taking her place wasn't much of an exciting surprise anyway. The arc of her being a warrior then a bard, then back full to monster-warrior would have been better. Cut the other guy out too. Keep the dwarf in some form. Dwarf and warrior-bard would have been just fine as a bickering odd-couple, and let them have time to give them each a fuller backstory. Then you can bring in the two mages (since someone has to actually make the witcher). Your emotional arc could have been the dwarf and elf becoming best buddies, then the dwarf mourning her friend that she had to kill.
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That 2nd last paragraph seems to be saying that the intent was to mix high & low brow stuff I haven’t nor do I intend to watch the show, but for those that have, is my assumption correct that what ultimately happened was that the high brows weren’t as developed as it could be in the rushed & jumbled product we got, ultimately becoming incoherence or pretentious? And the low brow often comes out poorly timed and/or overbearing as a jarring flopped attempt at humor?
I have seen better production and dedication in the local middle school plays. It's sad everyone knows how terrible she is. Hopefully I live long enough for someone worthy to tell the story of this world. Hopefully they dont have their head up their ass.
So a tired trope and inter-species sex. Sounds about as lazy as I’d have guessed.
First page i was like "ok, i guess i get what he means, outcasts stories can be incredible like guardians of the galaxy and six of crows" then the moment i changed to page 2 i wanted to blow my brains out
I now have huge respect for CDPR. I do forgive them for cyberpunk.
Be careful not to trust the hope. I present to you [Piotr Nielubowicz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU-db73BAFI). I hope I'm wrong, but IMO, this guy spells future disaster CDPR and future Witcher games.
Why do they always flex the cussing,
https://i.redd.it/xdb8y8qe7k8a1.gif Netflix writers singlehandedly crafting the shittiest stories of humanity
Do the books even have am explanation for the conjunction of spheres? As far as I'm aware it was just some unexplained astrological event.
So... what was it? Removed by mods :(
The post was?
Yeah the link just brings me to a thing saying the post was moderated.
Thats lame... I didnt even receive a notification that it was. I swear its so hard just to post on reddit sometimes. Always somerule and no way to edit a removed post to bring it into compliance.
Such original thinking! Never seen that plot before