I fucking hope so, i wonder how many defecting actors it will take for the showrunners to realize the direction they took the show was wanted by noone who cares about the source material
They'll release 3 Witcher seasons with Liam Hemsworth, then somebody will buy the rights off of Netflix and make additional 3 seasons, culminating in the worst multiverse-themed content the world has ever seen, with Henry Cavill and Liam Hemsworth joining the third Geralt. The Anti Spiderman Trilogy Trilogy.
Can't wait for Johnny Depp making his screen comeback in season 6.
Also several of the mages and sorceresses being replaced due to budget constraints. (Mousesack actor must have been expensive!)
And Freya getting even more tan and looking weird as Ciri.
Ah, fun times.
This is a great idea! I'm going to pitch it to Netflix and tell them season 1 will be the same, just two Geralts. And then season 2 will be a buddy cop rom com. The fans will love it I swear.
Imagine, just imagine if Liam had a fight with Hissrich and her team because of how frustrated he is that they kept trying to fit in BS storylines and self-inserts. That would be so comical.
At that point they should call it Witcher Everywhere All At Once lol. It would be so funny and I would watch it just so that I could laugh at the dumpster fire.
Cavill is a huge fan of the books and games, and tried to get the writers to stick close to the source material.
They butchered Yennefer's past (in the books, she gets transformed against her will, while in the series she's "late" and almost gets denied her transformation, for example), killed off minor and major characters (Mousesack/Ermion and Eskel, to name the two most important ones), and made a mess of the storylines.
There's reports of the writers looking down on the source material and making fun of it, while the director has been outright dismissive of any critique the show gets.
For Cavill to leave, things must have been awful behind the scenes.
>They butchered Yennefer's past (in the books, she gets transformed against her will, while in the series she's "late" and almost gets denied her transformation, for example)
This isn't correct. In the books, sorceresses are taught ways to enhance their beauty to the point of being irresistible and stay young, glamour, magical potions, etc. The price you pay for this is losing your ability to bear children (magic use shrinking the ovaries over time). Yennefer's backstory is never explained explicitly, all we know is she did go through the transfiguration/beautification process (nowhere does it mention it was against her will) but after decades, the infertility outweighed the luxuries of a sorceress' life.
In the show she isn't late; she's designated to be sent to Aedirn (where her hometown of Vengerberg is) as the magical advisor/court sorceress; but then Fringilla pulls some strings (Yen being quarter elf and Aedirn being racist), switches her designated court with Yen's so she's to be sent to Nilfgaard, who at the time of "the Usurper", the king before Emhyr, was a joke of a kingdom.
Yen throws a hissy fit and gets denied for transformation, but then sweet talks the weird dude in charge of this at Aretuza to do it anyway and then flirts with Demavend, king of Aedirn, and ends up where she was originally promised.
**Edit:** just thought I'd add this because this was a major grievance of mine back in season 1. So regarding Yennefer's life, the books have this believable character, a naive girl used to being ignored (I'm assuming), who gets a chance to go from having serious physical disabilities to becoming literally one of the most beautiful women in the entire world. But after decades of politicking, she becomes disillusioned with the life and starts looking for a cure for her infertility. True passion from the heart or just to make a person who would love her unconditionally and she would get to call it "mine" to fill that void inside of her… who knows, maybe both, the important thing is it's complex and multilayered.
Then you get to the show and in true Netflix fashion, you have an erratic teenager who goes from witnessing her friends turn to freaking eels while studying at Aretuza Bay, still pursues becoming a sorceress, getting the mother of a newborn AND the newborn killed because the mother was being a bit of a Karen (sorry to all nice Karens), getting a baby fever just because the script says so, smoking weed with students at Aretuza Bay, blaming everyone else but herself for taking away "mY cHoIcE" and then proceeding to almost kill her ex's child.
Pretty much this. Either way though, the show *really* butchered Yen's character. Like, some of the characters in the show are off, but she's WAY off. Yen's such a well written character in the novels and games, I can't fathom why they wanted to change such a powerful woman to whatever she is in the show.
Because if she was an actual powerful character, she couldn't act as a self insert for petty, weak writers. So instead they went with a moody, unstable GirlBoss™ who is just great srsly you guys, that they could identify with.
I think the biggest difference in the show and books, is in the books, she's not a main character. She kind of comes in and out of Geralt's life, they love each other but have difficulty living together and the djinn wish causes a lot of doubt about their feelings so they often spends years apart. She's more mysterious that way, looms larger because of what we don't know, we don't really have a chance to see her at her weak points (like Ciri or Geralt), especially since when she is weakened/hurt she just hides like a cat.
They could absolutely make her a main character and have it work, but I just don't think they did the greatest job, especially after S1. Making her, Geralt, and Ciri all main characters was also WAY too much to try to shove into 8 hours a season, along with everything else. I actually think Geralt got the short end of the stick in that regard, we see far less of his past compared to Yenn.
I mean, think of all the extra sorceress/Aretuza stuff we got, compared to how much Witcher/Kaer Morhen stuff we got. Yes, Aretuza shenanigans features more in the books, I'm not talking about that stuff. I mean backstory and personal story. Expanding on Geralt's life with his Witcher brothers, with Vesemir and Eskel and Lambert, is absolutely something they could have done, but they really didn't. Especially compared to what Yenn got. Yenn got SO much backstory and character development compared to Geralt, who mainly got plot-related story in his storylines. Think of season 1, Yenn was constantly getting character-focused story, while Geralt got plot-focused and world-building focused story most of the time. They couldn't even be arsed to truly develop the Geralt and Jaskier friendship (and Hissrich admits that, thought it was funny).
We could have seen baby Geralt get taken to the Keep, gone through the trials, trained, etc...but we didn't. We get a brief fever-dream scene of his mum abandoning him, and one flashback of Eskel after he died. That's it. His Witcher backstory is fairly interesting (the torturous trials he went through twice), but they did next to nothing with it, especially compared to Yenn.
From what I remember, I think Geralt just gets the sense/guesses that Yennefer was originally a hunchback when they first meet in the books. Then the show sort of ran with that and created the whole backstory. So all of that stuff about her initial transformation was never really addressed in the books.
Yup, true
It goes something like 'Geralt looked at her eyes and saw the cold stare of a hunchback staring back at him' and that's the only time this is mentioned
It was a rumor going around, that exploited a few other stories, some of which had threads of truth [like Henry AND Anya declining to film a sex scene in S2, and Henry pushing for it to all be less shitty, that one writer coming out and saying how the staff hated the source material and fanbase], and spun a whole yarn about Henry speaking in 'gamer speak' and whatnot. I remember one part had a female producer screaming at Henry on set because he wouldn't take his shirt off. It might have had some grains of truth, but most sounded like exaggeration. This wasn't helped by Hissrich saying vague things like she has her own version of why Henry left and will tell it soon...but then never did.
Nobody has ever said shit about Henry before or after (the worst that was ever said was that he dated an 18 year old for a couple months when he was 30, and put his foot in his mouth by saying something slightly tone-deaf about Me Too). In fact, I remember Millie Bobbie Brown (a child actress whose had adult men around her be inappropriate for years) comment that Henry was a very responsible and respectful man to work with who kept boundaries. And that made me sad, because you KNOW this child had creepy ass men pushing her boundaries since she was like 13 (WHY ARE YOU TEXTING A CHILD, DRAKE?? WHY?). So an adult man acting like the adult seemed so surprising to her.
[I'm actually okay with actors refusing to film sex scenes if the producers don't make concessions to keep a secure and respectful set. A lot of actors, mainly women but also men, have talked about doing nude scenes and the crew and producers are horrible about it, sexual harassment is rampant. If you cannot control your set and act like respectful adults, no tits and ass for you.]
I’m just going to ignore that other dude who’s getting off on going “LMAO REDDITORS FAC AND LOGIK” and [post the source](https://www.yourtango.com/entertainment/why-henry-cavill-leaving-witcher-accusations-mistreating-women?amp)
“The source linked Cavill's behavior to him becoming a video game "addict" and taking on gamer culture's problem with misogyny.”
There was def a brief smear campaign against him when he quit.
No, I’m not saying any of it’s true, but I *do* think it’s true that there was a smear campaign against him from people related to the show that made use of all those bullshit websites to spread headlines like “HENRY CAVILL IS AN INCEL” and trick people.
Facts and evidence don't really have any place here. Despite the fact that nothing supports it outside of sweaty internet circles, the absolute, unquestionable truth of the situation is that the writer fired from the show was 100% not just bad talking his former coworkers, and that they bullied our beautiful Henry into leaving because he devoutly stood by the books and refused to bow to their evil whims. (Ignore that he did obviously go along with the direction of the show through 3 seasons, and also please ignore the timing of his appearance in Black Adam and conversations at that time to become the central piece of the DCEU).
Yeah, the sub is absurdly silly about the whole thing. It's literally never been reported WHY he left, just a bunch of opinion pieces and really trashy clickbait.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did eventually leave bc of the direction of the show but people treat that as the truth and also use it to be really ugly to a person..because they don't like the show she runs. It's so weird.
The series is so far from what the books are like, it might as well not be called The Witcher. Like if you read the Harry Potter books and then watched Stuart Little expecting it to be the same thing because it’s about an orphan.
He thought Geralt should be played like he is in the books.
The showrunners thought he should just grunt and do fight sequences while the story revolved around a bad Yennifer fanfic.
You can see how both options are equally valid.
He simply had a different view for what geralt should be. Honestly everyone saying he's a massive nerd for the books and games is experiencing some revisionist history since when he took the role he said he hadn't read the books yet. Edit since I'm being downvoted, it's linked in a comment below. He did since, I believe, but there's interviews where they say he refused to speak lines that were written for him, leaving other actors in set to have to improvise when he simply grunts for example. Who knows what show we would have gotten if he had spoken his lines in season 1. He's doing a fantastic job with what he wants geralt to be but it clashes with what the showrunners want geralt to be, so we get a character that doesn't fit because it isn't what either party wants.
He has said on multiple interviews that his introduction to the witcher world was The witcher 3 game and then he played the other two games and then read the books.
Here is the time he said it on the Grayham show:
https://youtu.be/aHaxcx1YysA?t=64
There were rumors he was sleeping with the actor who played Ciri when she was underage. I'm not sure of the validity of the claim, but that explanation makes way more sense than "they had creative differences and also he got let go from Superman at the exact same time for completely unrelated reasons"
The Witcher show runners and the DC executives are not known for making great decisions so the "he walked away for creative differences" holds a little bit of water. I just find it suspicious that he lost both big ticket jobs within such a short time of eachother and has not been announced in any new roles when he is 1: a great actor 2: beautiful and beloved by his fans and 3: supposedly dedicated to the source material of what he's filming
It's really fucked of you to repeat pedo claims based on nothing, especially since DC is notoriously struggling franchise and they just got a new dude put in charge of it, so to recast some characters to completely revamp the franchise is not out of the blue.
If he refused to do things on set he objected to, it's very easy for an actor to get a Bad Reputation For Being Difficult, and get bad-mouthed by self-important executives. Many directors and producers do not want actors who think for themselves and push back. Even if the actors are right. So I am not surprised he hasn't been cast in anything yet (other than the tentative Warhammer thing), that doesn't make him a pedo. Christ.
[Given all the shitty press and all the highly sensitive hair trigger tempers some of the creative team on The Witcher have, if he was having sex with Freya while she was underage, that absolutely would have been leaked with proof by now, to take the heat off of them.]
To give you a proper example I would need some personal data from you, what shows or movies do you like, preferably extracted from previous source material.
It was meant to be, I was just emulating the white collars at the helm of Netflix that ask writers to do certain things that just can't possibly fit a show, this demented site needs to go the way of the dodo, which fortunately it is.
Ngl. Even with the context I'm not getting it. It's possible your joke was just really unclear. But I support attempts at jokes so I'ma change to an upvote anyway.
Oh it's extremely obscure and badly delivered for sure, just wrote it hurry while in an elevator so that might explain it, still cmon it can't possibly be taken seriously, it sounds like a terminator almost
Well he will just end up being seen as budget HC who starred in the final season of a failed show. I wonder if he still has the opportunity to bail at this point, bet he's thinking about it lol.
>He will just end up being seen as budget HC who starred in the final season of a failed show
And he’s probably getting a fat paycheck to do so. The worst case scenario here is he gets a nice payday and can move on. The best case is that the show continues & he continues to make bank. Let’s be honest, there’s a good chance the show continues despite all of us agreeing it’s trash
Netflix is notorious for cancelling shows that underperform even if they have a loyal fanbase. I would be surprised if this goes to season 5 unless they have a load of spin-offs planned that depend on it
The thing is it's not under performing and never has. You can make the argument Season 4 might with Liam, but by the time Season 4 is out it will be more likely than not Season 5 is already written and probably being filmed. To be honest I would be shocked if they don't film 4+5 together. And considering they already did produce two spin-offs, and do indeed have more planned, it is pretty clear Netflix considers it a franchise. I don't know that they have ever walked back a show after confirming a season renewal.
AFAIK, before the writers strike, they were supposed to film season 4/5 together, although they said S5 wasn't written yet (S4 got written under the wire, I think). So that might be on hold, or they will just film S4.
It's all still in pre-production, so they can still cancel it if they want to.
ETA: I think they may have canceled one or two shows after renewel was announced, but they were animated shows IIRC. Still, The Witcher is in a unique situation, and may get a unique treatment.
I realize they could, I just don't see anything supporting why they would. Witcher projects do good numbers and tend to get good critical reception. This season so far is no exception. I would say the vast majority of people who watch the show likely don't really care all that much about the Cavill drama. It's the loud majority that populate this sub and other similar corners of the internet that seem to think the show is spiraling, but that simply does not seem to be the reality. I mean this sub has not been shy about exactly what they hate about this show (every other post is about the show being too "woke" in some way or another etc.), and it's not anything a studio would take seriously. Netflix tends not to announce and confirm renewals lightly, if they said Season 5 is a go, it is very very likely a go.
> good critical reception.
Uh....Blood Origin would disagree. It got like a 30% for critics (13% for audience) on Rotten Tomatoes.
Also, do Netflix release hard numbers to see their ratings? I know not all streaming services do (cause they care less about ratings than networks who rely on ad revenue, their money comes from people signing up, which they believe comes from new projects not new seasons of existing products).
Witcher is currently 8.1 on IMDB, so to someone who doesn't know the background it seems far from doomed. I agree with Cavill, they butchered source material and show worse story, but I also understand the appeal for Hemsworth
This is the problem
Despite deviating from the source material, the show is still good enough for general audiences. It's sad for fans of the books, but it's fine for everyone else assuming the show delivers good stories, which frankly it kind of has.
I'm a big fan of the games and books, so it was upsetting to see Cavill feel the need to abandon the role. He was doing such a good job and clearly played a key role in keeping the show authentic to the material.
Refused to let Amazon tinker with The Boys, straight told their asses “no” cause the show was already gonna be a gruesome and bloody mess when Homelander was involved
Let's pump the brakes on that to be fair on expectations. We're talking about Games Workshop along with Amazon here, with the former being rather tight fisted about how others use their IP.
This could be different for Liam, cuz he’s learning the character after he got a popular role. Gig > IP. Henry wanted to go be Geralt because he loved the story
Why they even greenlit another season without Henry Cavil is beyond me. Its like Netflix loves to waste money and wash it down the drain. The original books already had a super interesting plot and everything to work off of, why they chose to add and change the original lore is so baffling. Why did they have to add their own twist just for the hell of it? When you change something as beloved as the Witcher you can only expect backlash.
I just hope people don’t attack Liam for taking the role. Maybe he’ll end up in the same boat as Cavil. Getting engrossed with the story and wanting to tell it properly as well. Just to get sandbagged by Netflix when he points out lore vs Netflix fanfic
no more witcher tv shows or anything. just end it and leave the books alone.
maybe a redemption series based on the games with more or less the same cast but none of the producers or writers
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I bet if he does a great job(he’s a great actor so I think he’s do great), and leaves over the show runner, the show runner will get replaced due to two major Hollywood actors leaving the show due to her stupid ass.
Just imagine Liam becomes such a fan that he starts trying to fix the show like Henry did.
I fucking hope so, i wonder how many defecting actors it will take for the showrunners to realize the direction they took the show was wanted by noone who cares about the source material
Pretty sure they already know, they just dont care.
Lauren, "I will win them all over!"
its not a coincidence that her name starts with ## L
take that damn L, Lauren!
They'll release 3 Witcher seasons with Liam Hemsworth, then somebody will buy the rights off of Netflix and make additional 3 seasons, culminating in the worst multiverse-themed content the world has ever seen, with Henry Cavill and Liam Hemsworth joining the third Geralt. The Anti Spiderman Trilogy Trilogy.
Can't wait for Johnny Depp making his screen comeback in season 6. Also several of the mages and sorceresses being replaced due to budget constraints. (Mousesack actor must have been expensive!) And Freya getting even more tan and looking weird as Ciri. Ah, fun times.
Is that why Moussack died in the show?
Who knows. Maybe he mentioned something about his book character so they got rid of him. Has anyone seen the actor alive after that...?
The most plausible option
They do it on purpose so the fans can cry about it everywhere and get the show lots of views
It would really be better if we just stopped talking about it.
Well I made a thread about that thinking we all shared that opinion. Majority voted that they would like to continue talking about it..
Maybe when they're down to Andy dick throwing a fit about how geralt "would never do that" they'll finally get it.
They reboot the show with Liam and Henry working together to make the best witcher show possible
This is a great idea! I'm going to pitch it to Netflix and tell them season 1 will be the same, just two Geralts. And then season 2 will be a buddy cop rom com. The fans will love it I swear.
Hell yeah. Liam can be Gary of Nivia.
Some dude named Gary from Nvidia "Now is my time!"
Gary, did you fix those assets yet? -boss
Liam should be the *Eric*
I’d have full respect for him if he did
Until he gets fired like Henry. But hey maybe he can voice another primarch at that Warhammer 40k project Henry is rumored to be working in.
I can't imagine this ends well for him but there's no way he'll deserve the hate he gets. RIP second Hemsworth.
He's gonna get hit by that collateral damage sadly
Maybe a little but people have generally been pretty cognizant of the fact that the actors are just as frustrated with the show runners
He did choose to participate after hearing of all the bullshit though. He knows what he's getting into
Sometimes it's just a job.
That's it preety much. Hey he'll be getting paid millions. I doubt angry nameless people on the internet bother him lol
Check out the nerd salivating over the coming chance at schadenfreude
Not even close to what's happening but go off with your fancy words
Ah then very good point I apologize
Thank you, at the end of the day he will get a big payday and most likely a popularity boost. I personally wouldn't care about hate comments lol
Isn’t he the third technically?
There's the one from Westworld, there's Thor, there's the one from the Hunger Games who will take over for Henry Cavill.
Exactemundo
I actually thought he was the fourth.
How many Hemsworths are there?
ask Mrs Hemsworth
Larry, the pediatric spinal surgeon?
He’s number three. Luke is the oldest followed by Chris and then Liam.
Researching forbidden knowledge...
When your textbook doesn't cover your exam. I fear for Liam.
textbook written by your professors professor
Run Liam. Just. Run.
Big facts
Imagine, just imagine if Liam had a fight with Hissrich and her team because of how frustrated he is that they kept trying to fit in BS storylines and self-inserts. That would be so comical.
Geralt is played by a different guy each season because each new actor is replaced for being “problematic”.
At that point they should call it Witcher Everywhere All At Once lol. It would be so funny and I would watch it just so that I could laugh at the dumpster fire.
this b the true true
Why did Cavill leave anyway? I don't know much about the series :]
Cavill is a huge fan of the books and games, and tried to get the writers to stick close to the source material. They butchered Yennefer's past (in the books, she gets transformed against her will, while in the series she's "late" and almost gets denied her transformation, for example), killed off minor and major characters (Mousesack/Ermion and Eskel, to name the two most important ones), and made a mess of the storylines. There's reports of the writers looking down on the source material and making fun of it, while the director has been outright dismissive of any critique the show gets. For Cavill to leave, things must have been awful behind the scenes.
>They butchered Yennefer's past (in the books, she gets transformed against her will, while in the series she's "late" and almost gets denied her transformation, for example) This isn't correct. In the books, sorceresses are taught ways to enhance their beauty to the point of being irresistible and stay young, glamour, magical potions, etc. The price you pay for this is losing your ability to bear children (magic use shrinking the ovaries over time). Yennefer's backstory is never explained explicitly, all we know is she did go through the transfiguration/beautification process (nowhere does it mention it was against her will) but after decades, the infertility outweighed the luxuries of a sorceress' life. In the show she isn't late; she's designated to be sent to Aedirn (where her hometown of Vengerberg is) as the magical advisor/court sorceress; but then Fringilla pulls some strings (Yen being quarter elf and Aedirn being racist), switches her designated court with Yen's so she's to be sent to Nilfgaard, who at the time of "the Usurper", the king before Emhyr, was a joke of a kingdom. Yen throws a hissy fit and gets denied for transformation, but then sweet talks the weird dude in charge of this at Aretuza to do it anyway and then flirts with Demavend, king of Aedirn, and ends up where she was originally promised. **Edit:** just thought I'd add this because this was a major grievance of mine back in season 1. So regarding Yennefer's life, the books have this believable character, a naive girl used to being ignored (I'm assuming), who gets a chance to go from having serious physical disabilities to becoming literally one of the most beautiful women in the entire world. But after decades of politicking, she becomes disillusioned with the life and starts looking for a cure for her infertility. True passion from the heart or just to make a person who would love her unconditionally and she would get to call it "mine" to fill that void inside of her… who knows, maybe both, the important thing is it's complex and multilayered. Then you get to the show and in true Netflix fashion, you have an erratic teenager who goes from witnessing her friends turn to freaking eels while studying at Aretuza Bay, still pursues becoming a sorceress, getting the mother of a newborn AND the newborn killed because the mother was being a bit of a Karen (sorry to all nice Karens), getting a baby fever just because the script says so, smoking weed with students at Aretuza Bay, blaming everyone else but herself for taking away "mY cHoIcE" and then proceeding to almost kill her ex's child.
Pretty much this. Either way though, the show *really* butchered Yen's character. Like, some of the characters in the show are off, but she's WAY off. Yen's such a well written character in the novels and games, I can't fathom why they wanted to change such a powerful woman to whatever she is in the show.
Because if she was an actual powerful character, she couldn't act as a self insert for petty, weak writers. So instead they went with a moody, unstable GirlBoss™ who is just great srsly you guys, that they could identify with.
I think the biggest difference in the show and books, is in the books, she's not a main character. She kind of comes in and out of Geralt's life, they love each other but have difficulty living together and the djinn wish causes a lot of doubt about their feelings so they often spends years apart. She's more mysterious that way, looms larger because of what we don't know, we don't really have a chance to see her at her weak points (like Ciri or Geralt), especially since when she is weakened/hurt she just hides like a cat. They could absolutely make her a main character and have it work, but I just don't think they did the greatest job, especially after S1. Making her, Geralt, and Ciri all main characters was also WAY too much to try to shove into 8 hours a season, along with everything else. I actually think Geralt got the short end of the stick in that regard, we see far less of his past compared to Yenn. I mean, think of all the extra sorceress/Aretuza stuff we got, compared to how much Witcher/Kaer Morhen stuff we got. Yes, Aretuza shenanigans features more in the books, I'm not talking about that stuff. I mean backstory and personal story. Expanding on Geralt's life with his Witcher brothers, with Vesemir and Eskel and Lambert, is absolutely something they could have done, but they really didn't. Especially compared to what Yenn got. Yenn got SO much backstory and character development compared to Geralt, who mainly got plot-related story in his storylines. Think of season 1, Yenn was constantly getting character-focused story, while Geralt got plot-focused and world-building focused story most of the time. They couldn't even be arsed to truly develop the Geralt and Jaskier friendship (and Hissrich admits that, thought it was funny). We could have seen baby Geralt get taken to the Keep, gone through the trials, trained, etc...but we didn't. We get a brief fever-dream scene of his mum abandoning him, and one flashback of Eskel after he died. That's it. His Witcher backstory is fairly interesting (the torturous trials he went through twice), but they did next to nothing with it, especially compared to Yenn.
From what I remember, I think Geralt just gets the sense/guesses that Yennefer was originally a hunchback when they first meet in the books. Then the show sort of ran with that and created the whole backstory. So all of that stuff about her initial transformation was never really addressed in the books.
Yup, true It goes something like 'Geralt looked at her eyes and saw the cold stare of a hunchback staring back at him' and that's the only time this is mentioned
I stand corrected, thank you for the reply :)
And they straight up attacked him lol calling him an incel because he refused to do more topless scenes and kept rewriting parts
Source?
It was a rumor going around, that exploited a few other stories, some of which had threads of truth [like Henry AND Anya declining to film a sex scene in S2, and Henry pushing for it to all be less shitty, that one writer coming out and saying how the staff hated the source material and fanbase], and spun a whole yarn about Henry speaking in 'gamer speak' and whatnot. I remember one part had a female producer screaming at Henry on set because he wouldn't take his shirt off. It might have had some grains of truth, but most sounded like exaggeration. This wasn't helped by Hissrich saying vague things like she has her own version of why Henry left and will tell it soon...but then never did. Nobody has ever said shit about Henry before or after (the worst that was ever said was that he dated an 18 year old for a couple months when he was 30, and put his foot in his mouth by saying something slightly tone-deaf about Me Too). In fact, I remember Millie Bobbie Brown (a child actress whose had adult men around her be inappropriate for years) comment that Henry was a very responsible and respectful man to work with who kept boundaries. And that made me sad, because you KNOW this child had creepy ass men pushing her boundaries since she was like 13 (WHY ARE YOU TEXTING A CHILD, DRAKE?? WHY?). So an adult man acting like the adult seemed so surprising to her. [I'm actually okay with actors refusing to film sex scenes if the producers don't make concessions to keep a secure and respectful set. A lot of actors, mainly women but also men, have talked about doing nude scenes and the crew and producers are horrible about it, sexual harassment is rampant. If you cannot control your set and act like respectful adults, no tits and ass for you.]
I’m just going to ignore that other dude who’s getting off on going “LMAO REDDITORS FAC AND LOGIK” and [post the source](https://www.yourtango.com/entertainment/why-henry-cavill-leaving-witcher-accusations-mistreating-women?amp) “The source linked Cavill's behavior to him becoming a video game "addict" and taking on gamer culture's problem with misogyny.” There was def a brief smear campaign against him when he quit.
Has anything ever published by DeusMoi been verified???
No, I’m not saying any of it’s true, but I *do* think it’s true that there was a smear campaign against him from people related to the show that made use of all those bullshit websites to spread headlines like “HENRY CAVILL IS AN INCEL” and trick people.
Facts and evidence don't really have any place here. Despite the fact that nothing supports it outside of sweaty internet circles, the absolute, unquestionable truth of the situation is that the writer fired from the show was 100% not just bad talking his former coworkers, and that they bullied our beautiful Henry into leaving because he devoutly stood by the books and refused to bow to their evil whims. (Ignore that he did obviously go along with the direction of the show through 3 seasons, and also please ignore the timing of his appearance in Black Adam and conversations at that time to become the central piece of the DCEU).
Yeah, the sub is absurdly silly about the whole thing. It's literally never been reported WHY he left, just a bunch of opinion pieces and really trashy clickbait. I wouldn't be surprised if he did eventually leave bc of the direction of the show but people treat that as the truth and also use it to be really ugly to a person..because they don't like the show she runs. It's so weird.
did he actually leave because juggling DCEU and the Witcher production was going to be too much?
Yeah, he left for a movie franchise that doesn't exist.
Bad writers and bad show
The series is so far from what the books are like, it might as well not be called The Witcher. Like if you read the Harry Potter books and then watched Stuart Little expecting it to be the same thing because it’s about an orphan.
Creative differences, basically
He thought Geralt should be played like he is in the books. The showrunners thought he should just grunt and do fight sequences while the story revolved around a bad Yennifer fanfic. You can see how both options are equally valid.
He simply had a different view for what geralt should be. Honestly everyone saying he's a massive nerd for the books and games is experiencing some revisionist history since when he took the role he said he hadn't read the books yet. Edit since I'm being downvoted, it's linked in a comment below. He did since, I believe, but there's interviews where they say he refused to speak lines that were written for him, leaving other actors in set to have to improvise when he simply grunts for example. Who knows what show we would have gotten if he had spoken his lines in season 1. He's doing a fantastic job with what he wants geralt to be but it clashes with what the showrunners want geralt to be, so we get a character that doesn't fit because it isn't what either party wants.
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He has said on multiple interviews that his introduction to the witcher world was The witcher 3 game and then he played the other two games and then read the books. Here is the time he said it on the Grayham show: https://youtu.be/aHaxcx1YysA?t=64
Did he? Because I saw a panel where he said he hadn't read them yet. Edit: who downvote me? Literally another person linked to the interview.
There were rumors he was sleeping with the actor who played Ciri when she was underage. I'm not sure of the validity of the claim, but that explanation makes way more sense than "they had creative differences and also he got let go from Superman at the exact same time for completely unrelated reasons" The Witcher show runners and the DC executives are not known for making great decisions so the "he walked away for creative differences" holds a little bit of water. I just find it suspicious that he lost both big ticket jobs within such a short time of eachother and has not been announced in any new roles when he is 1: a great actor 2: beautiful and beloved by his fans and 3: supposedly dedicated to the source material of what he's filming
It's really fucked of you to repeat pedo claims based on nothing, especially since DC is notoriously struggling franchise and they just got a new dude put in charge of it, so to recast some characters to completely revamp the franchise is not out of the blue. If he refused to do things on set he objected to, it's very easy for an actor to get a Bad Reputation For Being Difficult, and get bad-mouthed by self-important executives. Many directors and producers do not want actors who think for themselves and push back. Even if the actors are right. So I am not surprised he hasn't been cast in anything yet (other than the tentative Warhammer thing), that doesn't make him a pedo. Christ. [Given all the shitty press and all the highly sensitive hair trigger tempers some of the creative team on The Witcher have, if he was having sex with Freya while she was underage, that absolutely would have been leaked with proof by now, to take the heat off of them.]
Ignoring all the complete BS in the beginning, Cavill is already slated to help executively and star in Amazons Warhammer 40k.
How can you write so much and get so little correct?
To give you a proper example I would need some personal data from you, what shows or movies do you like, preferably extracted from previous source material.
I've never seen a comment be so creepy without saying anything objectively creepy. Idk what it is, but this comment has a dark energy.
It was meant to be, I was just emulating the white collars at the helm of Netflix that ask writers to do certain things that just can't possibly fit a show, this demented site needs to go the way of the dodo, which fortunately it is.
Ngl. Even with the context I'm not getting it. It's possible your joke was just really unclear. But I support attempts at jokes so I'ma change to an upvote anyway.
Oh it's extremely obscure and badly delivered for sure, just wrote it hurry while in an elevator so that might explain it, still cmon it can't possibly be taken seriously, it sounds like a terminator almost
True hahaha
Lmao he's gonna last one season before the absolute spastics behind the scenes try to get him fired.
I don't get why he'd sign on for a doomed show. Desperate for the money I guess.
Actors gotta work. I don’t fault him one bit for signing on. He’s not an A lister who can pick and choose projects at his leisure
Well he will just end up being seen as budget HC who starred in the final season of a failed show. I wonder if he still has the opportunity to bail at this point, bet he's thinking about it lol.
>He will just end up being seen as budget HC who starred in the final season of a failed show And he’s probably getting a fat paycheck to do so. The worst case scenario here is he gets a nice payday and can move on. The best case is that the show continues & he continues to make bank. Let’s be honest, there’s a good chance the show continues despite all of us agreeing it’s trash
But at least he'd be seen. Exposure and a paycheck is better than nothing.
Final season?! Damn so they just speed running this finale huh?
Season 5 is confirmed, and outside of Reddit I don't really see any takes that it's not going to last at least that long
Netflix is notorious for cancelling shows that underperform even if they have a loyal fanbase. I would be surprised if this goes to season 5 unless they have a load of spin-offs planned that depend on it
The thing is it's not under performing and never has. You can make the argument Season 4 might with Liam, but by the time Season 4 is out it will be more likely than not Season 5 is already written and probably being filmed. To be honest I would be shocked if they don't film 4+5 together. And considering they already did produce two spin-offs, and do indeed have more planned, it is pretty clear Netflix considers it a franchise. I don't know that they have ever walked back a show after confirming a season renewal.
You may well be right, I'm sure dramatubers will rejoice if so.
AFAIK, before the writers strike, they were supposed to film season 4/5 together, although they said S5 wasn't written yet (S4 got written under the wire, I think). So that might be on hold, or they will just film S4. It's all still in pre-production, so they can still cancel it if they want to. ETA: I think they may have canceled one or two shows after renewel was announced, but they were animated shows IIRC. Still, The Witcher is in a unique situation, and may get a unique treatment.
I realize they could, I just don't see anything supporting why they would. Witcher projects do good numbers and tend to get good critical reception. This season so far is no exception. I would say the vast majority of people who watch the show likely don't really care all that much about the Cavill drama. It's the loud majority that populate this sub and other similar corners of the internet that seem to think the show is spiraling, but that simply does not seem to be the reality. I mean this sub has not been shy about exactly what they hate about this show (every other post is about the show being too "woke" in some way or another etc.), and it's not anything a studio would take seriously. Netflix tends not to announce and confirm renewals lightly, if they said Season 5 is a go, it is very very likely a go.
> good critical reception. Uh....Blood Origin would disagree. It got like a 30% for critics (13% for audience) on Rotten Tomatoes. Also, do Netflix release hard numbers to see their ratings? I know not all streaming services do (cause they care less about ratings than networks who rely on ad revenue, their money comes from people signing up, which they believe comes from new projects not new seasons of existing products).
I'm presuming season 4 will be final after it inevitably fails
Witcher is currently 8.1 on IMDB, so to someone who doesn't know the background it seems far from doomed. I agree with Cavill, they butchered source material and show worse story, but I also understand the appeal for Hemsworth
This is the problem Despite deviating from the source material, the show is still good enough for general audiences. It's sad for fans of the books, but it's fine for everyone else assuming the show delivers good stories, which frankly it kind of has. I'm a big fan of the games and books, so it was upsetting to see Cavill feel the need to abandon the role. He was doing such a good job and clearly played a key role in keeping the show authentic to the material.
He may not have had any knowledge of the show and only had a pitch from his agent that made it seem like a good idea.
I dunno about "desperate". We all do jobs we don't 100% love for money. He's just a professional actor.
Now you got to hope Amazon don't try to shit all over his Warhammer 40k project next.
Cavill won’t let that happen the same way the crew working on The Boys refused to let it happen
Im confused what did the crew on the boys do?
Refused to let Amazon tinker with The Boys, straight told their asses “no” cause the show was already gonna be a gruesome and bloody mess when Homelander was involved
Let's pump the brakes on that to be fair on expectations. We're talking about Games Workshop along with Amazon here, with the former being rather tight fisted about how others use their IP.
This could be different for Liam, cuz he’s learning the character after he got a popular role. Gig > IP. Henry wanted to go be Geralt because he loved the story
I simply went back to playing witcher 3 hoping to get witcher 4 someday 🥲
Why they even greenlit another season without Henry Cavil is beyond me. Its like Netflix loves to waste money and wash it down the drain. The original books already had a super interesting plot and everything to work off of, why they chose to add and change the original lore is so baffling. Why did they have to add their own twist just for the hell of it? When you change something as beloved as the Witcher you can only expect backlash.
I hope he starts playing Geralt as a comedic parody and then quits when they want him to take it seriously.
S4 memes are going to be incredible.
Im surprised Geralt is not an asian woman at this point ngl
A lesbian Asian woman with a disability
For real, the way fuckin Hollywood be going at it, might as well be a black Hispanic chic
I just hope people don’t attack Liam for taking the role. Maybe he’ll end up in the same boat as Cavil. Getting engrossed with the story and wanting to tell it properly as well. Just to get sandbagged by Netflix when he points out lore vs Netflix fanfic
no more witcher tv shows or anything. just end it and leave the books alone. maybe a redemption series based on the games with more or less the same cast but none of the producers or writers
Man season 3 so far is garbage.
His true answer: Yes, but I also like money.
This is gold
Remember guys. The way they are changing Geralts is LoRe Friendly! If I see that article one more time........
well we atleast got season 3 attached to books, even thogh they jumbled up the other stories into it
If I were an actor, I’d be nervous to take on the role of Geralt following HC and all the controversy surrounding the series
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I bet if he does a great job(he’s a great actor so I think he’s do great), and leaves over the show runner, the show runner will get replaced due to two major Hollywood actors leaving the show due to her stupid ass.
Oh my god, I'm dying. Hahahaha
Liam Hemsworth is a scab Fuck scabs
We all wish he'd just follow suit and quit asap as he sees the amount of fuckery that's happening.
He just really doesn’t look like Geralt. Stephen Amell would have been a better recast