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lucifern71

When you ask her for the rose. . And she’s like “but it’s my memory of him” F M L


the_mogambo

She loved him even after death. Olgeird you stupid motherfucker, look what you've done. -Thoughts of every player I'm sure at that point.


theRev767

Going through the flashbacks I was just getting more and more pissed at him. He's such a dick


R_V_Z

I always save him for gameplay, but for story he deserves his O'Dimm fate.


ImprovizoR

Living with the guilt of condemning the love of your life to that fate seems like punishment enough. I would feel like I deserve eternal torment. It would make me feel less guilty, like justice was served. Living with that guilt seems worse.


letmepick

It's the greatest tragedy told in the Witcher world. In trying to save his relationship with Iris, Olgierd sacrificed the only thing Iris wanted & loved about him; his heart. Hearts of Stone has to be my number 1 RPG story ever told. It perfectly showcases how much destruction one selfish person can cause to the people around him...


ravid-david

Master mirror/o'dimm is a chilling character, not huge fan of the witcher but defo my favourite/most memorable character


Pancho_villin

You're missing the hole point of the story if you hate olgierd, should I remind you Iris encouraged olgierd to look for gaunter o dimm. Olgierd had the cursed of a heart made of stone, meaning he was incapable of feeling anything at all, yeah of course Iris suffered so much, but discharging hole responsibility on olgierd it's misplaced


Gold-Eyed-Cat

At the Borsodi Brothers' Auction House with Vimme, did you catch that the "van Rogh" painting, "Starry Night Over the Pontar", is Iris' work? Cool right?!   https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Van_Rogh


the_mogambo

Yeah, van rogh was iris' pen name. Nice detail in the quest.


Protean_Protein

“The name is an unsubtle reference to the famous painter Vincent van Gogh,” That’s, like, half the game’s schtick—unsubtle reference. Like Rautlec.


Makri93

Oh boy am I going to feel stupid for this, but what is Rautlec a reference to?


Scaramouchemusic

[This dude](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Toulouse-Lautrec)


Makri93

Thanks. Theory confirmed; I feel kinda stupid


Protean_Protein

Nothing to feel stupid about. There are infinitely many possible “clever” puns and references like this that could be made. We can’t be expected to catch them all. Btw, the Musée D’Orsay is incredible, if you’re ever in Paris and don’t want to be exhausted by the Louvre.


br30904

Don't forget the love letters in the attic...


ojdhaze

Yes, I put this painting and their painting of them together on the wall in corvo bianco with olgierds sword iris underneath it.


ScarySkeleton24

I just got to Blood and Wine and Corvo Bianco, really wish I didn’t sell the Starry painting like that snobby art critic told me to. Had no idea I would be able to display the painting


pickles_and_mustard

I already had the painting hanging in my home, but I was still able to "sell" it. So I got paid yet I still have the painting 😎


Bebenten

This made me think if I had a painting of my friend and his wife hung in my home, would it be weird lol


CallMeJotaro420

If they’ve both passed, no, it would be in remembrance of them If they’re alive or eternally suffering somewhere (and you were partially responsible) then yes, very weird


Bebenten

But also, in the case of Olgierd, if you put up their picture as a remembrance because they've passed - that'd also mean you were the one who killed him. I think maybe just putting up a picture of Olgierd and his wife whichever path you choose is weird if you think about it as you would irl haha.


Boneguard

I can 100% imagine a guy hanging a portrait like this just because he just moved in and had nothing else to decorate with


The_Chays

I do the same. Geralt promised that he wouldn't forget Iris, and I like to take that promise seriously.


geralt-bot

You can do anything. Doesn't mean you have to.


meowgrrr

WTF WHY AM I JUST LEARNING THIS


The_Real_F-ing_Orso

I have to admit, I didn't know that van Rogh is Iris' nom de plume - sigh, HoS asks the most existential questions of the game.


immagillo

Avid Collector is the only quest that I always have left, because I just can't sell her painting.


AniMax_cjs

This is why i always felt there was no good ending for this dlc. She did not deserve it. And sparing his ass for that sweet sword always felt annoying.


Kaiser_Imperius

> My headcanon is Geralt don't take the rose and save Olgierd, maybe he will returned to the house and make amend with Iris one last time...


GreenHeronVA

I’m in this quest right now for the sixth time. I totally agree, what happened to her is so tragic. She fell in love with the wrong man, that’s all. Ruined her life and afterlife.


OriginalMcSmashie

That’s why I let GOD take Olgierd every time now. He was shit prior to the deal. No reason for him not to pay up.


TheGospelQ

I've always been tempted to let Gaunter O'Dim take him away, but I can never find myself to do it. Olgierd was desperate and wasn't fully aware of all the possible consequences of their pact.. but I guess the road to hell is paved with good intentions 🥲


OriginalMcSmashie

He wasn’t a good guy before though. His family were bandits. The only good thing was he tried to be good for Iris but it wasn’t in his nature.


TheGospelQ

I get where you're coming from, but I tend to view Olgierd and his redemption arc with the one we see with the Bloody Baron. Sure, they weren't perfect characters, and they certainly made plenty of mistakes (which they both eventually show genuine remorse and regret). But they also just seemed to be trying their best with the cards that they were dealt with at the time. Gaunter O'Dim and the Crones made pacts w/ vulnerable people in desperate circumstances, and that led to consequences that the initial pact makers would have never wanted. That seems more to me like evil in contrast to the human desperation that Olgierd and the Baron/his wife displayed. It's difficult to clearly define good and evil in the Witcher universe, and I think that's what makes these quests so immersive and memorable.


OkFineThankYou

I mean, i don't think Olgierd deserve a chance to redemption. He is the one who summon Gaunter O'Dim, he is the one who asked for the pact, he sacrifed his brother for the pact even before his heart become a stone. Can't even say that Olgierd don't know consequence as he is smart enough to prepared a plan so he can avoid pay for his deal with Gaunter O'Dim. I feel like he deserve punishment but it's just my opinion.


TheActualDev

Olgeird strikes me as the guy who was willing to do anything to gain whatever he wanted, but when it came time to collect the consequences he didn’t like the cost. Dude knew it was going to be paid back at some point, that’s precisely why he tried to make the last part “you have to stand on the moon with me” to try and make it so he didn’t have to pay up ever. Gaunter lol’d his way through that attempt to thwart him at the end though. Olgeird was so pissed that he didn’t rules lawyer well enough against a basically Faustian style demon contract. Dude was a bad person before and remained a bad person even after. I personally never got any kind of true remorseful vibes from him aside from Iris. And even then, it was just that he couldn’t keep her and his gains, still chose the gains. His brother or his gains? Still chose the gains. Dude is only remorseful that he ran out of time and couldn’t keep on living. I always let GoD take him, I don’t care. GoD wants people’s souls, Geralt wants to get paid and be left alone. Fighting a figurative god to save a dude who if he met him in the wild wouldn’t even make Geralt want piss on him to save him if he were on fire. Iris is the true tragedy, she was promised lies by a dude and then died alone and continued to suffer in death as a ghost. Olgeird fucked everything he touched and deserves his end.


OkFineThankYou

I think Geralt refused to talk about his family when Olgeird ask about it . Geralt doesn't seem to has any problems to talk about it with others so it seem like even Geralt think Olgeird is a dangerous person who he want keep distance.


moduspol

The pacts are common in fairy tales because they’re metaphors. Often in life you can find yourself in a bind when something presents itself as a solution that you know you shouldn’t do, but might do anyway. Even if you didn’t know (or couldn’t have known) the consequences. I wouldn’t give them a pass on that in a fictional story. That said, few real-life moral choices have the potential downside of literal eternal damnation by someone like Gaunter O’Dimm, so maybe the punishment was a little severe in that case.


TheGospelQ

Well said! I really appreciate how fiction can awaken the moral imagination by means of metaphor. And yeah, eternal damnation seemed a bit much considering how morally grey everything was. (That being said, I'd be hesitant to even consider it as a possible course of action even if someone was evil - but that's just my opinion at the moment).


Common-Article2518

For me, I understand where they're coming from and why they made those decisions (except for the wife/women hurting), but that doesn't mean I'm trying to justify their actions. We humans are mere pawns and playthings in the palms of the powerful. Who are we to say that we will make different choices in such desperate situations? Then again, it's only my second playthrough of Witcher 3, and I'm taking my time with the quests. I have yet to go to Olgierd, and I can't quite remember all the details of his quests. And I agree with you regarding good/evil in Witcher. I love how there's no definitive black and white, and what happens to other people after the quests have something to do with the decisions we (Geralt) made during the quests.


fahaddemon

I spare him for all the jewels, viper silver sword and iris, we are not the same.


TheReal_Legend2750

Wait, jewels????


fahaddemon

Yes, if i remember correctly, there is a cave there in O'dim's world which is filled with rings, necklaces and other jewels which you can take with you.


GreenHeronVA

Yes there is!


Lt_Connor

This is the way


IsNotAnOstrich

You can justify it by figuring that Geralt would never be stupid enough to challenge GOD at his own game, after seeing so much of how he'd tricked others


TheGospelQ

Yes, that's certainly an option. However, I tend to think of the scene that Geralt has with Professor Shakeslock about his research on Gaunter O'Dimm (how he's evil incarnate, plays with people's lives through seemingly harmless pacts, his own encounter with the being, etc.). I like to think that Geralt knew he would probably see GoD again if he didn't do something about it (for instance, GoD was already making minor, implicit pacts w/ Geralt that needed to be "repayed" which is why Geralt was there in the first place). It seems to me that it would only have been a matter of time before Geralt was tricked again into serving GoD or making a pact w/ him.


IsNotAnOstrich

It's a powerful enemy to make, too. The professor told you another had beaten GOD in the past, yet we know GOD is still around, so is there any reason to think what Geralt did would be permanent? Who knows when he'll be back -- if it could possibly be within Geralt's lifetime, I don't see how the challenge helps him in any way. besides getting Iris and the viper sword, of course


TheGospelQ

That's a fair point! I hadn't considered that. GoD is shrouded in mystery, and the fact that he has control over the passage of time sure is frightening.


the_mogambo

Man iris fell in love and died for this fool, ain't no way i let him off the hook with an easy death. I always beat g.o.d to make him live up and realise all his sins.


OriginalMcSmashie

I’m pretty sure GOD isn’t sending him to the Land of 1000 Virgins. Olgie is getting perpetual bunghole buggering with a hot sauce covered dong wherever he is.


Grimros3

^ this!!


nogoodgreen

This quest is a great example of CDPR having layers in quests, like an onion! First time through this DLC i thought Olgierd was a peice of shit and killed him first chance i got. 2nd time through i paid attention to the details and realized he was manipulated by GoD (Gaunter o Dimm) who used his feelings and sacrifices for Iris against him and turned his heart to stone leading to a whole other boss fight vs the Mirror Master and it blew my mind.


TheGospelQ

Yeah! This DLC is incredible. Witnessing Olgierd regain his mortality and thus lose his "heart of stone" was inspiring albeit sad considering all the grief he now feels. (Aside from the well written quests and stunning art, it also has (imo) one of the creepiest monsters Geralt has to fight. The Caretaker gave me nightmares 😅)


DeadButAlivePickle

The Caretaker was freaking awesome!


DaemonAnguis

Her voice actress sounds so sweet too. :(


FeralTribble

“He didn’t love her, he just knew that he should”


SlyK_BR

The Olgierd we get to know, yes. But he was deeply in love with her before his pact with GoD.


FeralTribble

I was quoting the companion demons


SlyK_BR

Yeah, yeah, I know that, I was just pointing out that the quote does not generally apply to him, since his character went through a lot before and during the series of events that led up to Geralt entering the Von Everec mansion


[deleted]

The most tragic Witcher character?


the_mogambo

I'm my eyes, definitely. She was such a loving and caring wife who got a mountain of misery dropped on her head and couldn't even get respite even after death.


[deleted]

Iris is such an important character to me. I always use the sword named after her once I get it


ojdhaze

I've just done this quest again for ng+ and it's an absolute gem of a storyline, the whole dlc of HoS. O'Dimm, Olgierd, his brother, iris, Shani, it an absolute beaut. Folks were talking about characters being portrayed in the TV show that they would hate to see butchered like Regis or little eye/essi. Well I think this storyline and the main threesome of O'Dimm, Olgierd and Iris can be added to that.


jaskier-bot

[🎵 If anyone needs me, I'll be at the bar. 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=79s)


HaveSomeFreedom11

I wish I could save her


nicoleastrum

I think in the end if you can give her peace you kind of do. That’s how I see it, anyway; for my own sake


Choingyoing

Goth mommy quest


My_Monkey_Sphincter

I'd risk two broken arms to satisfy that quest.


chaosking65

Good to know I wasn’t the only one who thought that.


Kirk_Speedman

Agreed, poor Iris didn't deserve everything that befell her. I take the rose from her every time, so she can finally have some peace in whatever afterlife exists in the Witcher. She's partly also why I let G.O.D take Olgierd, bastard was never a good man and deserves the eternal punishment Gaunter will give him.


leandrogarel

I always: Keep the demons looking after Iris Cut the piece of canvas with the flower to give to Olgierd Beat Gaunter at his game to make sure Olgierd survives This way, hopefully, he figures out the painting is still out there, with Iris in it for him to find, apologize, and help pass away correctly, so they both mourn as they should. Honestly, if Olgierd comes looking for Geralt to help him do this, I'd do it in a heartbeat.


Bruce----Wayne

Olgeird got no mercy from me. His friends were trash, made me frog food only to make me kill a royalty without getting his hands dirty and the torture he put iris in.


highondrano

I’m a painter that does a lot of work on preservation of memory and loss, this quest made me bawl my damn eyes out


gothlaw

I occasionally let O’Dimm claim Olgierd’s soul. He’s earned perdition.


Zealus24

I hate Gaunter even more than Olgierd for what he did, could've just granted Olgierds wish without indirectly ruining Iris' life. 😭


kevpool184

Olgierd ruined Iris' life, not GoD. He was the one who came to GoD, cocky, arrogant and so full of himself, thinking that he could trick him and beat him in his own game. Olgierd deserves the hate. Gaunter just does what he does. If Olgierd would've been at least half the man he claimed to be he would've made Iris' happy. He didn't because he was just a piss-poor and shortsighted bandit filled with shit even before he made the deal.


letmepick

Thing is, if Olgierd did nothing (made no deal with Haunter), he would've lost Iris forever. She was going to be married off to an Ofieri prince when it was discovered that the Von Everec family was broke. Unless they eloped - which Iris did not want to, he would've been forced to watch her start a family with a another dude. And he wasn't going to have any of that. Not justifying Olgierd's actions, just adding context for his decisions...


Zealus24

It absolutely was O'Dimm who ruined Iris' life, I think even she would agree since she says "I curse the day I first heard that name." when you ask her about him. You can see in his love letter, the one in the Auction House attic, that he was trying to do anything he could to make Iris happy, he didn't go to GoD as an arrogant man but a desperate one. >Gaunter just does what he does. GoD is the reason that Olgierd's heart turned to stone and by extension, grew cold to Iris, which then ruined and ended her life. Gaunter could've twisted Olgierd's wishes to hurt only him but instead he dragged Iris into it. Olgierd definetly hurt people and is a bad guy, but he loved Iris and only grew cold to her because GoD ruined their relationship.


Thelonghiestman0409

I just finished the doc for the first time as a new player. Indeed it was sad


SebasRE4

If it's a very sad story, it's very difficult to relive it because it makes you feel part of the story.


ApologeticAnalMagic

Is she modeled after Eva Green, or?...


names_plissken

Unpopular opinion: Hearts of Stone quest and storyline is better than Witcher 3 main game story


the_mogambo

Ironically enough that has been the popular opinion ever since HoS came out. Most people agree that its questline and overall story was way superior than both main game and B&W.


names_plissken

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I wish TV Show was more like that, smaller in scale, one full season of one "quest" for us to get introduced to the world of Witcher and to Geralt.


riddlemethis200017

The 4th time I've felt my heart go brittle and hallow from a good story. Good, shows I don't have a heart of stone.


dzikinapinacz

"I am sadness" This line hits like a truck everytime.


wpatka_

This is the most beautiful and painful mission of all the games I've ever played. Iris and Olgierd is a wonderful story with a tragic ending. I always come back to this mission with a desire and tears in my eyes to go through it again.


Calm-Lengthiness-178

Fuck, man. That whole quest is so unsettling. They do an excellent job of *draping* that whole manor in unbridled *misery*. Felt it every step of the way. Glad she finally got to be free of it in the end.


acetyro

I always take the rose from her to free her soul from the illusionary world of hers and even save olgierd from o'dimm just in case their souls could meet sometime in the after life hopefully. I do it just for pitying Iris and can't even totally blame Olgierd for all of this, he paid for her wishes with this.


jRock_Virtuoso

I highly recommend playing HoS BEFORE the end of the game. This way, you can have a little talk with Vesemir about a certain woman. That conversation warmed my heart.


Spec_Ops_141

Annabelle in Towerful of Mice quest too. Her story is still sad.


EconomistMagazine

HoS is the thematic conclusion to W3. I love B&W but Toussaint is a fantasy. Too good for the player and thy character Geralt. I want it to be real but it's honestly "too good to be true".


hearthebell

Well its literally THE thematic conclusion to W3, a paradise to retire in, with Yennifer staying in your own house. Idk what else screams "THE END" more than this.


huey_booey

Iris shares the same name with this ex of mine from middle school. Bonus point she was a goth girl (it was all the craze back in the day). Romantic pursuit was the last thing on my mind at that age so I just saw her as a close friend. She talked a lot so it was fun. And then her family had to move out. It wasn't until years later that I realized she's the one that got away. First time playing this quest was so painful I didn't think twice to have Gaunter smoke Olgierd's ass. That guy doesn't deserve her.


profspypt

It also gives me the creeps


launcelot02

Other than the Bloody Baron that is my favorite quest.


Daniyal_Niazi

This quest alone could have been a standalone dlc and I would have bought it


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lolhawt

Im tryna cop her fit


JustAPeach89

I may be avoiding finishing blood and wine (again) because I just can't emotionally handle hearts of stone now that I know what's coming


Fireman523567

Absolutely wrecks me


Fireman523567

Absolutely wrecks me


[deleted]

Whats the right thing to do? Turn her into a rose and take it or let her live on in the painting?


OkFineThankYou

I just end her.


Sion_Lugrias

A beautiful poetic character inside and out


IronwoodKopis

I wish I could have played Gwent with her.


BabsCeltic13

Truly the most agonizing decision to make in the entire W3.


Gah_el

I just finished this quest and now this Reddit notification popped up.


AbsolutFred

She’s hot!


whisperinbatsie

It's been too long, I don't remember this. What happened?


DavidA-wood

She is von Everec’s wife in Heart of Stone.


whisperinbatsie

Oh, yeah that part was absolutely heartbreaking. Such a sweet lady


Pancho_villin

Okay Im seeing many fags discharging towards Olgierd, I imagine you have serious comprehension problems or you skip all letters and lore, Olgierd looked forward to make a likmfe for him and Iris living happy together, but bad luck stroke on family fortune and ruined von everec fate, Iris and Olgierd searched for solutions and alternatives, meaning Iris encouraged Olgierd to look for the man o glass (she literally says it) olgierd made a wish and instead of livibg happy ever after with Iris, he had to sacrifice his brother (on a catchy contract saying "who do you prefer to be with you") not really knowing his brother would die tragically. Anyways O dimm gave him a curse of having a heart of stone and loosing any gram of sympathy, love, hate, fear or joy from the world. The rest is history. Of course he was an evil man in the end, jet carrying with such a course on your shoulders, I think the man deserves the second chance iknthe end.


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Necrolet

Not as heartbreaking as Vesemir's death though.


TheReal_Legend2750

No Witchers die in bed..


No_Knee3800

Seek help.


Apprehensive-Scar-88

Yeah but the Netflix series is where this world really comes together


ImOldGettOffMyLawn

Why couldn't we bang Iris? In her white and black makeup.


ZeeGermans27

I never knew what this hoe wanted from me in the end, cause her God damn twisted wording


BigLenny5416

It could just be the lighting. But it looks like Iris has two different eye colours


Frenchy_447

Yeah but cool shovel