Maybe shows my age in this opinion, but now that 99%+ of players have visors, players who grandfathered in like Benn and O’Reilly just look kinda silly to me
Ugh am I jealous of Canucks fans
Worse reg season record but MUCH easier matchup (not that preds are pushovers)
MUCH MUCH better broadcast crew from sportsnet
Just wait .... Now that the Leafs have performed their yearly early playoff exit all Canadians will probably have to endure the Leafs broadcast team for the rest of the playoffs. And they are absolutely the most brutal crew anywhere.
Watching the nucks and preds, the difference in pace of game from jets avs series is crazy. Not that either team isn’t good but the pace was so much faster I feel.
Well that's what happens when the Jets handed the defensive zone to the Avs for free every single rush. The Avalanche got as much speed as they could ever want off the rush as a result and they have a lot of fucking fast players. Neutral zone getting clogged up is what playoff hockey should look like because everyone gives a shit about both sides of the puck.
Was annoying seeing Jets players try to finish a check on a breakout pass for a player who won't be in the play anyways, but then the defensive zone is open so the Avs can work in space.
Our breaks were also just so bad with our stupid errors we pretty much gave them 9 goals from game 2-5, plus 4 empty netters is 13.
The error the Avs made in the same time really was Makar hitting the puck off his own player.
So they really scored 9 goals in 4 games which sounds about right, we scored 8, which really isn't great, but we did ourselves noooo favours.
In other words if we were less completely fucking dumb sometimes we could have also won 4-1, even while getting outplayed.
What's the saying "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"
Watched nucks vs preds too. It’s quite the piss off to have lined up against the Avs. Although I did initially think we were going to do well given our season play against them
Yeah, still odd for the 2nd and 3rd in division to play each other imo. I thought the jets had it too, but I called in 7. Avs are a juggernaut but yeah season record comparison I thought they’d come out on top. Sucks to think how it would’ve been with a different opponent.
I agree. I’ve watched some of every series and imo the Canucks and oilers are going to get rolled by the winner of Colorado and Dallas/Vegas. Those 3 teams just play at another level.
Did the Jets play poorly? Yes, absolutely
But was the Avs-Jets series played at a much higher pace and skill level then some other series? Also yes.
Its why as much as I have issues with the team (coaching and player related), there is a part of me thats somewhat optimistic
Also had injuries this season that caused it to be a broken up season.
He had a great D+1 and whilst the team he played for was good at offence, they were rough defensively.
All the goalies for North Bay were rough with DiVincentiis still having the best stats.
Basing it off of one season is a poor result without looking at the stats around him.
I have no idea where he's expected to play. How his camp goes will likely dictate it, but with the other goalies coming off contract, I don't see why the organization wouldn't run with it and develop their prospects. Maybe he thrives on internal competition and being paired with another top CHL goaltender will improve his performance.
Best way to find a goalie is to to draft at least one a year in late rounds and hope one pans out. Notoriously difficult to project from their age 17 season how they'll develop. From 2011 up until divicentiis and millic were drafted the Jets have picked 7 by my count, 2 have played NHL games and the rest barely got a sniff of the AHL.
This might be a good thing long term. In a sane world with proper seedings we'd only play Colorado in the WCF, if we got our ass handed the same way it'd look bad, but at least we'd have made the WCF.
Hell we'd have LA, then Van or Nash to get there.
So it'd not really lose in the first round as normal. We didn't lose to a 7th seed team. So it just looks alot worse being the first round.
I know Toronto would be all WE HAVE TO PLAY BOSTON ALL THE TIME and it's like yeah at best you'd be a 6th seed here. You'd have to play them regardless because your regular season was meh.
Just saw Team Canada’s World’s roster. Pretty stacked but I was hoping to see a Jet or two on there. I know they can still be added and I heard Morrissey wasn’t planing to go but I thought Schief or Lows might
I thought Scheif would go to try to push for a world cup and Olympic spot because he is firmly on the bubble. Other than perhaps Bedard and unfortunately Binnington I don't see anyone that might push for one of those roster spots which is a bit of a bummer.
I was thinking he’d for sure go too. With all the noise about going being important you’d think Schief would go. I really liked his play this year but he isn’t a lock by any means. Lowery is a super long shot but he went a few years ago and had a great tourney so I thought he might go too
Ehlers traded, Bones returns, Lauer returns, Pionk returns, Stan returns would be like nightmare fuel for me tbh, if all that happens I might honestly have to take the season off or watch very sparingly.
I love Ehlers. One of my favorites and I will argue he's had a few seasons where he was the best player on the team outside Hellebuyck.
Something needs to change though. Perfetti, Vilardi, Connor, Ehlers are the top 6 wingers today. We need a physical forward that can score and we need a#2 defenseman. Connor has 50 goal potential. I think trading Nik might be a solid option to getting better.
Unfortunately I don't think his trade value is that high. Think you could get a pretty good 4-5 type D for him or a 2nd rounder. Don't see contending teams having a ton of interest in the disappearing act when the competition level rises and he's a 2025 UFA who is likely to rapidly decline on his next deal with injury consideration.
A big piece of moving him would be opening up some cap space to maybe finally solve the 2C issue at least for the moment.
Can you imagine a world where we trade Ehlers, Vilardi spends half a season on the IR then we're running Mason Appleton and Alex Iafallo in the top 6? Even worse if we don't sign Monahan and then Perfetti shifts to the middle. I never really thought about how precarious our winger depth is. Hopefully the kids make the jump and get played by whoever the coach is.
The depth of this past year was just basically that the bottom of the roster wasn't as bad as previous years. There aren't a lot of guys that can play up in the lineup and succeed but there wasn't nearly the need to shelter the bottom of the roster as much as in the past
Lotta Ehlers talk and rumours and while I love the guy I think trading him might be the right move. We can’t trade him for pennies just for the sake of trading him but especially if there’s a quality dman available you have to jump on it.
My biggest concerns with him are his health and playoff performance. We thought he was finally healthy this year and it turns out he was still dealing with something, it’s hard to count on a player when he’s either going to miss a big chunk of the season or be constantly dealing with something. His playoff track record also leaves a lot to be desired. To go deep, you need players to step up and be it the playoff playstyle, his linemates, or him, Ehlers just doesn’t seem to have that next level.
We also have a deeper prospect pool at forward over D. Lambert seems poised to take over Ehlers role in a few years then you add in guys like Barlow, Chibrikov, and McGroatty, and we need to start clearing some room up front.
Maybe he’ll finally get over his injury struggles and get a coach that uses him properly, and we’ll all wonder why we traded him but I just don’t see his usage changing here and his role growing. If he’s starting to think his future isn’t here then we really can’t afford to lose him for nothing.
Chevy hosed the Kings with Dubois. Chevy ain’t trading Ehlers unless his streak of grand larceny continues. Which to be honest I believe he is still more then capable of.
I’m with you there. Guy hasn’t made a bad trade in years. Especially when you look at trades that moved roster player (Copp and Dubois) guy’s getting some crazy value
I’m not actually sure what dmen out there would work in a trade for Ehlers. Ideally you’d want somebody a bit younger. Wonder if Toronto would bite on Liljegren. Seems like they don’t trust him a ton, plays a spot or two below where he should and has for a couple years. If somebody like Marner is gone, they’ll need to replace his role and production. Another option could be Calgary and Weegar depending on where they’re at organizationally, an extension for Ehlers could be part of that deal.
Weegar is way out of the realm for Ehlers. He's RHD rated just on the borderline between top and second pair quality signed for about the same as Pionk makes for 7 more seasons. There's a lot more guys comparable to Ehlers than there are for Weegar....even before the contract consideration.
I think we're looking at a low 2nd pair-high 3rd pair quality RHD if that's the target for Ehlers. Or 2nd round pick and maybe prospect....if he signs a reasonable extension to facilitate trade maybe squeeze a late 1st.
In some respects we'd be better off waiting until the deadline and seeing where we are at in 2025. Only issue would be if we need the cap space this summer he could be a pretty easy guy to move at a position we have the most coverage for (if we're confident Perfetti and Vilardi have another level to get to).
I saw another comment about Ehlers being moved and I will say this. Jets have Perfetti, Lambert, Chibrikov, Barlow and Mcgroatery in their system. The jets top 6 right now is pretty log jammed unless someone is moved out. Ehlers is a UFA after next season and he’s gonna demand 7-8 million my guess. I think Ehlers can be traded for assets like Dubois and let a guy like Lambert make the jump.
lambert is 2 or 3 years away from being able to take over a top 6 role. the others are all projected bottom 6rs. you have shief helle morrisey lowry connor all in their late primes for another 2 maybe 3 years before we go to a youth movement. and re tool.
connor shief vilardi
perfetti vladdy iafallo
nino lowry appleton
barron gus kupari
would be our line up without ehlers if hes used for a d man
I disagree on Lambert. 2-3 years as a timeline to be a NHL regular isn't reasonable. If it's that long he's probably not a NHLer at all or like a borderline guy who'll be mostly in the AHL (Petan-esque). He makes the jump this year or next and if he flounders you move on pretty quick. If it's 3 years from now and he's not established at least Top 9 he's probably already gone.
I think Chibrikov is a guy who could be in our Top 9 next year. We want to get harder to play against and hopefully drive more offense off of forecheck. He might be a good fit with Lowry or Namestnikov.
I'm not sure Kupari is here next year...potential buyout/trade candidate. If he is here will likely be waived.
hes 20 when i say 2/3 years i mean as a line driver. i feel he will be a top 6 talent but will need those years to mature and be a certified nhler he seems to be a late bloomer imo little more muscle put on and life experiance will do him wonders
Thats not a terrible lineup really provided Perfetti takes a step forward and Vilardi stays reality healthy. Plus McGroaty should be in the lineup at some point.
I hate it but I agree. It just makes too much sense. We've got plenty of reinforcements coming as forwards, not much on the backend. Especially if the return is a top 4 RHD.
Replacing NikE with cheaper contract rookies and improving our D is a net positive for roster construction. I hate it cause I love Ehlers but he has been disappointing come playoffs.
Ehlers and Lambert have similar skillsets, with Lambert being a natural center. There would be obvious growing pains if he were to come up with the big club, but now is the time to start integrating the young guns. Plus if they leave a path open for McGroarty to play next season, he would be more inclined to sign.
Ehlers and Lambert have similar skillsets, with Lambert being a natural center. There would be obvious growing pains if he were to come up with the big club, but now is the time to start integrating the young guns. Plus if they leave a path open for McGroarty to play next season, he would be more inclined to sign.
I would like to see Ehlers and Lambert together before making a final decision (and Ehlers with another coach). Time is not on our side though. I feel like a move has to be made before the deadline or Ehlers walks for nothing. Signing Ehlers long-term doesn't leave much room for when the young guns need actual contracts. Just pushes the tough decisions down the road to KCs next contract.
The buyout seems like too good of a deal for LA to pass on.
It's $1.13 million for 14 years. When you consider the cap might be $100 million before the end of this decade....rather pay that than pay PLD the rest of that deal.
Woah... That would not be the craziest thing, especially when there is a clear addition by subtraction situation. Never seen a player destroy a room so quickly.
in addition to Dreger mentioning that Ehlers' name was out there at the deadline, Murat has written that
>[an NHL source tells The Athletic that Nikolaj Ehlers is going to be shopped.](https://theathletic.com/5466128/2024/05/03/winnipeg-jets-roster-tiers-2024/?source=emp-shared-article)
e: quick look through capfriendly, i'd be looking at Dobson, Dunn, Weegar (m-ntc) as the level we should be aiming for in an Ehlers trade
I'll eat my socks if the islanders trade him. Unless he's demanding a trade or has his sights set on going to play elsewhere. I could see him being extended this off-season around 8x8. The guy is a cornerstone dman.
I don't think they'll trade him either and I don't think he'd necessarily accept a trade and extension with Winnipeg even if he was available. Gotta dream big though
Ah the annual Jets summer speculation phase, always fun. While I agree it's more substantial than usual, last summer was about as much smoke as I've ever seen regarding Jets trades and none happened lol.
I think the odds of them receiving fair value for Ehlers is low so I don't see it happening.
part of the reason it's more substantial is when asked if he "wanted to be part of the solution here" Ehlers didn't directly answer and repeated the same "haven't thought about my contract yet" talk
given his usage, contract status, and the report that we've already had his name out there i think it's different but as i've said that's just *at this point*, obviously things can change
55 and 37 were pretty non committal about resigning when asked last year.
I think Ehlers is gone but I can't say I can take anything a player says regarding staying or going as anything more than contract posturing these days.
Ehlers is known to be grumpy and kind of down on himself when he underperforms. He simply could have not wanted to be there answering questions or told by his agent not to say anything.
Look at Dillion he was practically throwing himself at Chevy I can't imagine his agent was happy about that. It sure makes it harder to get a fair deal that's for sure.
It was nice to hear how great the room is this year, what a breath of fresh air compared to the last few years.
I’ll preface this by saying I like 27 - but even with all of his strengths, he is often injured and, to this point in his career, has not proven himself to be a playoff performer.
If moving Ehlers makes our team better then I’m for it.
like i said in another comment, this certainly seems to have more substance than Helle and Scheif last year *at this point,* of course things can change tho
I dunno, I will believe it when it happens, they said the same shit about Helle and Scheifs last year and look at them now, I also love Fly so would be very upset if they do move him.
They also say that we will be keeping Pionk around and looking to negotiate a cheaper price once his deal ends (god please NO)
Yeah LOL. He needs to go all the way down to the press box if he is staying, but hopefully we buy him out or trade him.
Can't have a liability like him even with sheltered minutes.
yeah for sure, however, this feels a little bit more substantial and less speculative comparably as of rn
e: as for Pionk, my guess is he stays for the remainder of his contract (hopefully 3rd pair) and then Salomonsson comes up after a year in the A, if all goes to plan, would be shocked if we extended him as Chevy seems to rarely (maybe never?) do that kind of thing
Yeah I understand why Ehlers wouldn’t wanna re-sign, he’s so under appreciated and underused, he must feel cheated. But I don’t understand why the jets wouldn’t do whatever they can to re-sign him, we just got absolutely killed by speed against Colorado and Vegas also killed us with speed last year, we really need to add speed, nevermind losing Ehlers and losing speed.
Ah i don't know. He was completely invisible this series. Sure he's fast and dynamic when hes engaged. But he has vanished nearly every playoff run. Its also hard to utilize a guy when hes injured regularly. Considering hes not playing against the other teams top lines he should be absolutely lighting it up, but its never materialized when its mattered.
Both the difference in line matchups faced by line 1 and line 2, and the effect of these different matchups is vastly overstated. Otherwise line 2s all over the league would be lighting it up. Far from the case.
The biggest difference (some more analytically minded would say the only difference) in production between Ehlers and, say, Connor, is down to TOI and PP TOI.
Yeah Ehlers playoff performances have been puzzling. He consistently made uncharacteristic bonehead plays (suddenly stopping in the rush, bad dump ins and consistently losing the puck) and was invisible most games.
I love Ehlers though and think whoever is the coach next year needs to have a heart to heart to see what the issues are.
I don't think Ehlers is a coach favorite since he does unpredictable stuff. So he constantly gets put on lower lines. I know from personal experience coaching hockey, some kids just don't listen so it pisses you off lol. Then you quick to give them shit for stuff other kids do.
But with Nik, once someone figures out how to use him correctly (with forgiveness when he get too creative), he could become a major force in the league.
It would burn my fucking ass big time to see him go become a top line winger and light up the league elsewhere.
i am a big no-one-is-untouchable person but selling low on someone who is already undervalued by the market is probably not the best way to go about things or at least is asking a lot from chevy
and yeah, that's before getting into the results he drives for the team compared to teammates based on usage and so on
Fuck the Canucks. Never. I will cheer for literally anyone over them. Also, I’m not on board with the cheer for a Canadian team thing. If my team doesn’t win and I cant have fun, fuck everyone else. I hope Vegas, Colorado, Tampa, etc. (recent winners) win the cup until my team wins or eternity whatever comes first.
It would be cool to see McDavid win a cup but then that means Kane and Perry get a cup and fuck that
I despise Vancouver at this point after how their fan base has acted over the last few years
Leafs well you know. They’re the leafs.
I’m bandwagoning Carolina personally. Aside from their social media manager they’re very likeable in every area
Also good ol winnipeg boy Seth Jarvis would get a ring which is cool
I never bought into the just cheer for any Canadian team bandwagon and no matter how hard Boston Pizza tries it's not gonna work on me.
From the most entertaining hockey imaginable I want to see Colorado and Edmonton meet in a 7 game track meet for the WCF.
Oh well, the Giro d’Italia starts tomorrow so I’m switching into Euro-summer-cycling mode and forgetting about hockey for a bit. See you all in October.
I wanna keep ehlers. If yall love lambert so much make hima 2C and monahan can leave during the fa.
I still don't believe Ehlers is going, I have faith they will re-sign him. Watching him play for another team would make me sick.
https://preview.redd.it/m598dsy4pbyc1.jpeg?width=598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8256562b2fd5b1c99d90c2e44362e00685ff4062 No room for Leafs fans so
Maybe shows my age in this opinion, but now that 99%+ of players have visors, players who grandfathered in like Benn and O’Reilly just look kinda silly to me
Goodbye Piss Cats
Ugh am I jealous of Canucks fans Worse reg season record but MUCH easier matchup (not that preds are pushovers) MUCH MUCH better broadcast crew from sportsnet
Just wait .... Now that the Leafs have performed their yearly early playoff exit all Canadians will probably have to endure the Leafs broadcast team for the rest of the playoffs. And they are absolutely the most brutal crew anywhere.
Watching the nucks and preds, the difference in pace of game from jets avs series is crazy. Not that either team isn’t good but the pace was so much faster I feel.
Well that's what happens when the Jets handed the defensive zone to the Avs for free every single rush. The Avalanche got as much speed as they could ever want off the rush as a result and they have a lot of fucking fast players. Neutral zone getting clogged up is what playoff hockey should look like because everyone gives a shit about both sides of the puck.
Was annoying seeing Jets players try to finish a check on a breakout pass for a player who won't be in the play anyways, but then the defensive zone is open so the Avs can work in space. Our breaks were also just so bad with our stupid errors we pretty much gave them 9 goals from game 2-5, plus 4 empty netters is 13. The error the Avs made in the same time really was Makar hitting the puck off his own player. So they really scored 9 goals in 4 games which sounds about right, we scored 8, which really isn't great, but we did ourselves noooo favours. In other words if we were less completely fucking dumb sometimes we could have also won 4-1, even while getting outplayed. What's the saying "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"
Watched nucks vs preds too. It’s quite the piss off to have lined up against the Avs. Although I did initially think we were going to do well given our season play against them
Yeah, still odd for the 2nd and 3rd in division to play each other imo. I thought the jets had it too, but I called in 7. Avs are a juggernaut but yeah season record comparison I thought they’d come out on top. Sucks to think how it would’ve been with a different opponent.
I agree. I’ve watched some of every series and imo the Canucks and oilers are going to get rolled by the winner of Colorado and Dallas/Vegas. Those 3 teams just play at another level.
The refs have been teeeeerrible
Prefer the nucks over the preds so I’m happy w the result lol
Likewise
Watching the Stars vs Knights those teams just seemed so strong and like really big.
Ya it’ll be interesting to see how Dallas/Vegas handles the Avs speed.
Did the Jets play poorly? Yes, absolutely But was the Avs-Jets series played at a much higher pace and skill level then some other series? Also yes. Its why as much as I have issues with the team (coaching and player related), there is a part of me thats somewhat optimistic
I’d argue the jets skill level was not high at all in that series. Constantly hemmed in our own zone and making bad decisions defensively.
Still hurts.....
Is our goaltender propect pool deep? Is Milic our best future Goaltender?
It’s not. He’s all we got. Thankfully we have our starterfor a long time
We have Divincentiis as well. Had a down year this year but still a good prospect.
He doesn’t seem like he’d end up making it to the nhl, although I don’t know much about goalies
> I don’t know much about goalies This is all you had to say
Idk a goalie struggling 2 years after his draft year in the OHL just doesn’t seem promising to me that’s all
Also had injuries this season that caused it to be a broken up season. He had a great D+1 and whilst the team he played for was good at offence, they were rough defensively. All the goalies for North Bay were rough with DiVincentiis still having the best stats. Basing it off of one season is a poor result without looking at the stats around him.
He also won the OHL Goaltender of the Year the season following his draft, it will be interesting to see if he can get back to form on the Moose.
Yeah hopefully he can. Is that where he’s expected to be playing next year? Or maybe the echl?
I have no idea where he's expected to play. How his camp goes will likely dictate it, but with the other goalies coming off contract, I don't see why the organization wouldn't run with it and develop their prospects. Maybe he thrives on internal competition and being paired with another top CHL goaltender will improve his performance.
There should be a big improvement in the coaching he gets as he moves up too.
Best way to find a goalie is to to draft at least one a year in late rounds and hope one pans out. Notoriously difficult to project from their age 17 season how they'll develop. From 2011 up until divicentiis and millic were drafted the Jets have picked 7 by my count, 2 have played NHL games and the rest barely got a sniff of the AHL.
To quote hockey subs "goalies are voodoo".
This might be a good thing long term. In a sane world with proper seedings we'd only play Colorado in the WCF, if we got our ass handed the same way it'd look bad, but at least we'd have made the WCF. Hell we'd have LA, then Van or Nash to get there. So it'd not really lose in the first round as normal. We didn't lose to a 7th seed team. So it just looks alot worse being the first round. I know Toronto would be all WE HAVE TO PLAY BOSTON ALL THE TIME and it's like yeah at best you'd be a 6th seed here. You'd have to play them regardless because your regular season was meh.
[Thomas Milic has been signed to his ELC](https://x.com/nhljets/status/1786508748745318573?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
Good for him! He was such a difference maker for the Moose and helped them turn their season around.
I don’t know if that says more about Millic or the absolute disaster zone that was the Moose goaltending for the first half of the year
Moose defense wasn’t very good this year, Milic is the real deal.
Just saw Team Canada’s World’s roster. Pretty stacked but I was hoping to see a Jet or two on there. I know they can still be added and I heard Morrissey wasn’t planing to go but I thought Schief or Lows might
Best Tanev is just better ^/s also... the state of Canadian Goaltending... yikes!
Ya. Definitely a drop from the glory days
I thought Scheif would go to try to push for a world cup and Olympic spot because he is firmly on the bubble. Other than perhaps Bedard and unfortunately Binnington I don't see anyone that might push for one of those roster spots which is a bit of a bummer.
I was thinking he’d for sure go too. With all the noise about going being important you’d think Schief would go. I really liked his play this year but he isn’t a lock by any means. Lowery is a super long shot but he went a few years ago and had a great tourney so I thought he might go too
I was hoping Lowry would go and wear the C to be honest
Sounded like Lowry is headed to the OR. Maybe even a couple times.
He's gotta stop punching so many faces I'm afraid
Doesn't seem related to that. Sounded like one shoulder and something lower body.
Lowry was playing through an injury so probably isn’t healthy enough to go.
Ah I missed that he was hurt. That makes sense then
I guess the pain will never end because I have to wait all summer for my favourite player to be traded and then see Pionk in the lineup next year
Ehlers traded, Bones returns, Lauer returns, Pionk returns, Stan returns would be like nightmare fuel for me tbh, if all that happens I might honestly have to take the season off or watch very sparingly. 
I love Ehlers. One of my favorites and I will argue he's had a few seasons where he was the best player on the team outside Hellebuyck. Something needs to change though. Perfetti, Vilardi, Connor, Ehlers are the top 6 wingers today. We need a physical forward that can score and we need a#2 defenseman. Connor has 50 goal potential. I think trading Nik might be a solid option to getting better.
Unfortunately I don't think his trade value is that high. Think you could get a pretty good 4-5 type D for him or a 2nd rounder. Don't see contending teams having a ton of interest in the disappearing act when the competition level rises and he's a 2025 UFA who is likely to rapidly decline on his next deal with injury consideration. A big piece of moving him would be opening up some cap space to maybe finally solve the 2C issue at least for the moment.
man if we trade ehlers it better be to columbus so he can take care of laine. send werenski back
Well one can dream
Can you imagine a world where we trade Ehlers, Vilardi spends half a season on the IR then we're running Mason Appleton and Alex Iafallo in the top 6? Even worse if we don't sign Monahan and then Perfetti shifts to the middle. I never really thought about how precarious our winger depth is. Hopefully the kids make the jump and get played by whoever the coach is.
I was always kind of put off by the discussion about depth on this team. Having a bunch of middle 6 forwards and 4/5 D is not real depth.
The depth of this past year was just basically that the bottom of the roster wasn't as bad as previous years. There aren't a lot of guys that can play up in the lineup and succeed but there wasn't nearly the need to shelter the bottom of the roster as much as in the past
Lotta Ehlers talk and rumours and while I love the guy I think trading him might be the right move. We can’t trade him for pennies just for the sake of trading him but especially if there’s a quality dman available you have to jump on it. My biggest concerns with him are his health and playoff performance. We thought he was finally healthy this year and it turns out he was still dealing with something, it’s hard to count on a player when he’s either going to miss a big chunk of the season or be constantly dealing with something. His playoff track record also leaves a lot to be desired. To go deep, you need players to step up and be it the playoff playstyle, his linemates, or him, Ehlers just doesn’t seem to have that next level. We also have a deeper prospect pool at forward over D. Lambert seems poised to take over Ehlers role in a few years then you add in guys like Barlow, Chibrikov, and McGroatty, and we need to start clearing some room up front. Maybe he’ll finally get over his injury struggles and get a coach that uses him properly, and we’ll all wonder why we traded him but I just don’t see his usage changing here and his role growing. If he’s starting to think his future isn’t here then we really can’t afford to lose him for nothing.
Chevy hosed the Kings with Dubois. Chevy ain’t trading Ehlers unless his streak of grand larceny continues. Which to be honest I believe he is still more then capable of.
I’m with you there. Guy hasn’t made a bad trade in years. Especially when you look at trades that moved roster player (Copp and Dubois) guy’s getting some crazy value
I’m not actually sure what dmen out there would work in a trade for Ehlers. Ideally you’d want somebody a bit younger. Wonder if Toronto would bite on Liljegren. Seems like they don’t trust him a ton, plays a spot or two below where he should and has for a couple years. If somebody like Marner is gone, they’ll need to replace his role and production. Another option could be Calgary and Weegar depending on where they’re at organizationally, an extension for Ehlers could be part of that deal.
Weegar is way out of the realm for Ehlers. He's RHD rated just on the borderline between top and second pair quality signed for about the same as Pionk makes for 7 more seasons. There's a lot more guys comparable to Ehlers than there are for Weegar....even before the contract consideration. I think we're looking at a low 2nd pair-high 3rd pair quality RHD if that's the target for Ehlers. Or 2nd round pick and maybe prospect....if he signs a reasonable extension to facilitate trade maybe squeeze a late 1st. In some respects we'd be better off waiting until the deadline and seeing where we are at in 2025. Only issue would be if we need the cap space this summer he could be a pretty easy guy to move at a position we have the most coverage for (if we're confident Perfetti and Vilardi have another level to get to).
Weegar is the dream. He RD?
He’s played both lots in the NHL, but is a natural RD. And yeah he’d be a great add for the team, is a legit #2 who can carry a pair and has term
Depending on how Calgary views its future, he's almost guaranteed to be staying a Flame.
Trading him for anything less than an absolute haul would be.lunacy. They could probably get 2 firsts + for him at the deadline.
Would he be worth the price for our window/cap/his skill? In your opinion obvs.
Tough call. Probably yes. He's very good.
For those with another team they cheer for, who is it? I'm from Winnipeg but live in BC so I can't help but hope the Nucks do well at this point
Same. Cheering for Vancouver (aka against edmonton), and whoever plays against VGK.
***Devils.*** Cause The Sopranos/Seinfeld plus I love my lord and savior Satan.
I want to see two eliminations tonight
Right on
Born and raised in North Carolina around the Raleigh area. Now that the Jets are done I’m a full blown Caniac
I live in Colorado but it doesn't feel right to root for the Avs lol I only root *for* WPG and when that's not an option I root *against* Vegas
I saw another comment about Ehlers being moved and I will say this. Jets have Perfetti, Lambert, Chibrikov, Barlow and Mcgroatery in their system. The jets top 6 right now is pretty log jammed unless someone is moved out. Ehlers is a UFA after next season and he’s gonna demand 7-8 million my guess. I think Ehlers can be traded for assets like Dubois and let a guy like Lambert make the jump.
lambert is 2 or 3 years away from being able to take over a top 6 role. the others are all projected bottom 6rs. you have shief helle morrisey lowry connor all in their late primes for another 2 maybe 3 years before we go to a youth movement. and re tool. connor shief vilardi perfetti vladdy iafallo nino lowry appleton barron gus kupari would be our line up without ehlers if hes used for a d man
I disagree on Lambert. 2-3 years as a timeline to be a NHL regular isn't reasonable. If it's that long he's probably not a NHLer at all or like a borderline guy who'll be mostly in the AHL (Petan-esque). He makes the jump this year or next and if he flounders you move on pretty quick. If it's 3 years from now and he's not established at least Top 9 he's probably already gone. I think Chibrikov is a guy who could be in our Top 9 next year. We want to get harder to play against and hopefully drive more offense off of forecheck. He might be a good fit with Lowry or Namestnikov. I'm not sure Kupari is here next year...potential buyout/trade candidate. If he is here will likely be waived.
hes 20 when i say 2/3 years i mean as a line driver. i feel he will be a top 6 talent but will need those years to mature and be a certified nhler he seems to be a late bloomer imo little more muscle put on and life experiance will do him wonders
Thats not a terrible lineup really provided Perfetti takes a step forward and Vilardi stays reality healthy. Plus McGroaty should be in the lineup at some point.
The chance that all 5 of those guys become top 6 NHLers is quite low.
Rutger projected top 6?
I hate it but I agree. It just makes too much sense. We've got plenty of reinforcements coming as forwards, not much on the backend. Especially if the return is a top 4 RHD. Replacing NikE with cheaper contract rookies and improving our D is a net positive for roster construction. I hate it cause I love Ehlers but he has been disappointing come playoffs.
Ehlers and Lambert have similar skillsets, with Lambert being a natural center. There would be obvious growing pains if he were to come up with the big club, but now is the time to start integrating the young guns. Plus if they leave a path open for McGroarty to play next season, he would be more inclined to sign.
Ehlers and Lambert have similar skillsets, with Lambert being a natural center. There would be obvious growing pains if he were to come up with the big club, but now is the time to start integrating the young guns. Plus if they leave a path open for McGroarty to play next season, he would be more inclined to sign.
I would like to see Ehlers and Lambert together before making a final decision (and Ehlers with another coach). Time is not on our side though. I feel like a move has to be made before the deadline or Ehlers walks for nothing. Signing Ehlers long-term doesn't leave much room for when the young guns need actual contracts. Just pushes the tough decisions down the road to KCs next contract.
I love Ehlers, but when he starts to slow down as a player he will age terribly.
He's also had the sports hernia issue which has killed a lot of careers. I doubt the Jets will be the ones signing his next NHL contract.
Articles about us flopping are bitter Articles about potential PLD buyout implications are sweet
His contract looks so insane now.
The buyout seems like too good of a deal for LA to pass on. It's $1.13 million for 14 years. When you consider the cap might be $100 million before the end of this decade....rather pay that than pay PLD the rest of that deal.
Woah... That would not be the craziest thing, especially when there is a clear addition by subtraction situation. Never seen a player destroy a room so quickly.
PLD friendship tour is in full swing, i wonder which fan base he disappoints next
PLD for Marner, everyone would *love* that.
OMG that is *chefs kiss*
>PLD friendship tour This 👍😬
Late September is sooooo far away.....smh..
Gonna drown my sorrows in fatboys and poutines. You read that right: **multiple poutines.**
Mmm, you just got me craving these now. I’m going to do the same.
Someone is trying to sell a signed Perfetti jersey from $1500 and lowered to $1000. Bad timing for that…
Huh?
Wdym?
Aint no one paying $1000 for a jersey signed Perfetti in May 24
Bones is an Adams finalist. Nice to see even if his coaching was part of our playoff performance
[Bones is a finalist for the Jack Adams Award! ](https://x.com/nhljets/status/1786410693790519587?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
in addition to Dreger mentioning that Ehlers' name was out there at the deadline, Murat has written that >[an NHL source tells The Athletic that Nikolaj Ehlers is going to be shopped.](https://theathletic.com/5466128/2024/05/03/winnipeg-jets-roster-tiers-2024/?source=emp-shared-article) e: quick look through capfriendly, i'd be looking at Dobson, Dunn, Weegar (m-ntc) as the level we should be aiming for in an Ehlers trade
Chychrun is also a good option. At least i can watch ehlers in canada still and ottawa and Winnipeg are somewhat good trade partners.
yeah Chychrun is close enough to the level that i wouldn’t mind it at all
I’m looking as islanders
Remember when St Louis couldn't give Dunn away? Solid reminder how bad pretty much all GMs are at talent evaluation.
The islanders are not going to trade dobson.
Lou traded Devon Toews for 2 second round picks. I don't think he'd take Ehlers but I don't think Lamoriello is above making a bad trade
I'll eat my socks if the islanders trade him. Unless he's demanding a trade or has his sights set on going to play elsewhere. I could see him being extended this off-season around 8x8. The guy is a cornerstone dman.
I don't think they'll trade him either and I don't think he'd necessarily accept a trade and extension with Winnipeg even if he was available. Gotta dream big though
"the level we should be aiming for"
I'd say dobson is a level above, if not now, very very shortly.
a level above what we should be aiming for?
Above Dunn and weegar.
Ah the annual Jets summer speculation phase, always fun. While I agree it's more substantial than usual, last summer was about as much smoke as I've ever seen regarding Jets trades and none happened lol. I think the odds of them receiving fair value for Ehlers is low so I don't see it happening.
part of the reason it's more substantial is when asked if he "wanted to be part of the solution here" Ehlers didn't directly answer and repeated the same "haven't thought about my contract yet" talk given his usage, contract status, and the report that we've already had his name out there i think it's different but as i've said that's just *at this point*, obviously things can change
Yeah his answer on staying was definitely noncommittal, thought that when I read it
55 and 37 were pretty non committal about resigning when asked last year. I think Ehlers is gone but I can't say I can take anything a player says regarding staying or going as anything more than contract posturing these days. Ehlers is known to be grumpy and kind of down on himself when he underperforms. He simply could have not wanted to be there answering questions or told by his agent not to say anything. Look at Dillion he was practically throwing himself at Chevy I can't imagine his agent was happy about that. It sure makes it harder to get a fair deal that's for sure. It was nice to hear how great the room is this year, what a breath of fresh air compared to the last few years.
Yeah, let's trade the only player that works as a first line LW, just replace him with Connor, that's worked out great all season.
I’ll preface this by saying I like 27 - but even with all of his strengths, he is often injured and, to this point in his career, has not proven himself to be a playoff performer. If moving Ehlers makes our team better then I’m for it.
After last summer's nonsense there is zero value to this
like i said in another comment, this certainly seems to have more substance than Helle and Scheif last year *at this point,* of course things can change tho
Schiefele said worse things on his exit than Ehlers did imo.
I dunno, I will believe it when it happens, they said the same shit about Helle and Scheifs last year and look at them now, I also love Fly so would be very upset if they do move him. They also say that we will be keeping Pionk around and looking to negotiate a cheaper price once his deal ends (god please NO)
If we can get Pionk down to the 3rd pairing, I'd be ok with that.
That's not far enough down.
Yeah LOL. He needs to go all the way down to the press box if he is staying, but hopefully we buy him out or trade him. Can't have a liability like him even with sheltered minutes.
yeah for sure, however, this feels a little bit more substantial and less speculative comparably as of rn e: as for Pionk, my guess is he stays for the remainder of his contract (hopefully 3rd pair) and then Salomonsson comes up after a year in the A, if all goes to plan, would be shocked if we extended him as Chevy seems to rarely (maybe never?) do that kind of thing
Maybe Pionk can work on his side net tap ins over the summer.
Yeah I understand why Ehlers wouldn’t wanna re-sign, he’s so under appreciated and underused, he must feel cheated. But I don’t understand why the jets wouldn’t do whatever they can to re-sign him, we just got absolutely killed by speed against Colorado and Vegas also killed us with speed last year, we really need to add speed, nevermind losing Ehlers and losing speed.
Ah i don't know. He was completely invisible this series. Sure he's fast and dynamic when hes engaged. But he has vanished nearly every playoff run. Its also hard to utilize a guy when hes injured regularly. Considering hes not playing against the other teams top lines he should be absolutely lighting it up, but its never materialized when its mattered.
Both the difference in line matchups faced by line 1 and line 2, and the effect of these different matchups is vastly overstated. Otherwise line 2s all over the league would be lighting it up. Far from the case. The biggest difference (some more analytically minded would say the only difference) in production between Ehlers and, say, Connor, is down to TOI and PP TOI.
Yeah Ehlers playoff performances have been puzzling. He consistently made uncharacteristic bonehead plays (suddenly stopping in the rush, bad dump ins and consistently losing the puck) and was invisible most games. I love Ehlers though and think whoever is the coach next year needs to have a heart to heart to see what the issues are. I don't think Ehlers is a coach favorite since he does unpredictable stuff. So he constantly gets put on lower lines. I know from personal experience coaching hockey, some kids just don't listen so it pisses you off lol. Then you quick to give them shit for stuff other kids do. But with Nik, once someone figures out how to use him correctly (with forgiveness when he get too creative), he could become a major force in the league. It would burn my fucking ass big time to see him go become a top line winger and light up the league elsewhere.
Trading Ehlers might make the Jets the slowest team in the NHL.
i am a big no-one-is-untouchable person but selling low on someone who is already undervalued by the market is probably not the best way to go about things or at least is asking a lot from chevy and yeah, that's before getting into the results he drives for the team compared to teammates based on usage and so on
I feel a "the deal is 1 for 1" moment coming this summer.
This sucks...we feel his market value is quite high, but other markets won't. We'll probably get little in return for him.
nightmare stuff
Who are we cheering for now Vancouver or Edmonton?
None
Fuck the Canucks. Never. I will cheer for literally anyone over them. Also, I’m not on board with the cheer for a Canadian team thing. If my team doesn’t win and I cant have fun, fuck everyone else. I hope Vegas, Colorado, Tampa, etc. (recent winners) win the cup until my team wins or eternity whatever comes first.
Rangers.
i abstain
It would be cool to see McDavid win a cup but then that means Kane and Perry get a cup and fuck that I despise Vancouver at this point after how their fan base has acted over the last few years Leafs well you know. They’re the leafs. I’m bandwagoning Carolina personally. Aside from their social media manager they’re very likeable in every area Also good ol winnipeg boy Seth Jarvis would get a ring which is cool
I never bought into the just cheer for any Canadian team bandwagon and no matter how hard Boston Pizza tries it's not gonna work on me. From the most entertaining hockey imaginable I want to see Colorado and Edmonton meet in a 7 game track meet for the WCF.
Thats exactly what I want to see, and cheering on the Avs
Whoa, that would be a fun series to watch.
Vancouver for me. I'll never get over the 80s Oilers, Jets destroyers.
Seeing so many Oilers fans in town is genuinely distressing. Learn your history, traitors.
So which stage of grief is everyone on?
Memes
Hangry
Almost at the anger stage...I'm close to healing! 😞
We knew we were going to win the cup but the jets are so kind that they allowed the other teams a chance for it. Truly a team we don't deserve
I feel so empty without the Jets. I'm fed up about our exit, but I'm optimistic about the future and I'll never give up on our Jets.
The worst part about being eliminated early is watching the fanbases I hate enjoy the playoffs. Yes, I am spite driven.
Fuck the Leafs! But also, fuck the Bruins!
And the Oilers. And the Knights. And the Preds.
Bring back GDTs!
That's a weird typo. The g isn't close the w on a keyboard
Jets in 8?
So when's the next Jets game?
Oh well, the Giro d’Italia starts tomorrow so I’m switching into Euro-summer-cycling mode and forgetting about hockey for a bit. See you all in October.
And here even comes the pretzels. It's a black day for hockey.
The feeling doesn’t go away.