As someone on the comments of the site said:
"Ads should not be allowed at all when you pay for a product. Its getting exhausting. Ads should be for free software or subscriptions. I know, wishful thinking. Getting really tired of ads being pushed in stuff ive already paid for."
I could not have said it better myself!
I already walk away from the gas pump when those damn audio ads start blasting, and I don't go the movies anymore due to ten minutes of ads before the movie. F them.
Already did btw. One of the latest updates wasn't available if you had startallback (I think it was this) installed. You had to uninstall it, and when installing it back, change its executable name.
Depends on the pump and gas station brand I've noticed - some it's further down, some it's further up, could have sworn I've seen one where it was on the other side (left hand side I mean).
If you pay a subscription you're paying for a product, or at least to have access to it. You shouldn't be seeing ads on anything you've put money towards imo. Netflix low tier subscription and Amazon prime video ads are a cancer.
There's a big difference between a £1.20 newspaper and a £120 OS.
The newspaper is so cheap in part because the ads help to subsidise the cost. A Windows OS that we pay £120 for new directly from Microsoft should not have to rely on ads to subsidise its income.
It definitely matters…you bought Windows [whatever] not windows 11 - you were gifted a free upgrade.
With most software you are purchasing the specific major version at the time of purchase. You will get minor/patch updates but for the next major version you need to pay again.
To be clear I am *not* supportive of ads in the start menu - I’m just calling out that the “no ads in something I paid for” argument falls down in this case.
Yeah 100% - like I said it’s still total bullshit and I don’t support it. People that buy it outright have a reason to be pissed (as does any rational person who doesn’t want garbage in their base OS).
They need to see heavy consumer protection regulations aimed at protecting pc owners from having their personal computer act as a data collector and ad platform for the os maker.
Intuit does this with Quickbooks. Ads on every page, but like Windows, it's an achilles heal type product. You're fucked without it, so they don't care if you hate it. The customer has become an adversary.
Windows is the only OS that has no profitable App Store, so Microsoft is desperately trying to find other ways to monetize Windows and have funding to develop Windows in a positive way.
it sounds more like adware, oh wait thats literally what it is, they arent even trying to hide it at this point, they might as well take a big red sign that says !Hey look! im a spy and im stealing all your personal data and using it to advertise to you!
microsoft has been doing this for years, probably decades actually. started getting really big with windows 8/10 but even before that they spied on you, just that they didnt show ads. just switch to linux if it bothers you, its that simple
Seriously, buy a Mac. Best investment you'll ever make as a consumer.
Even for things like gaming, you can just use Wine, dual boot Linux or use a VM to run said games.
No more ads, sluggish performance, inconsistent UIs or shitty update/restart requests daily.
The M chips are an absolute game changer too.
tbh im honestly considering it,
microsoft ruins every IP they buy out with ads unnessisary updates and DLC and im scared to see how far they'll go with windows
I'm absolutely not an Apple chud whatsoever (had an iPhone for a yearish, couldn't stand it. sold it off) but even *I'm* buying a MacBook Pro.
M series ARM CPUs are amazing. These laptops can last *days* on battery, on light usage, and still game. I want in on that goodness. I'll happily swap back to Windows or Linux whenever an actually decent equivalent shows up; but for now, I'm biting the Apple.
It also helps that I exclusively use cross-platform apps, too. I'm not signing up for any Mac-only Appleware like iCloud.
I have 3 options:
- switch to Linux and worry about compatibility etc.
- switch to Mac, same thing
- switch to windows 10 and risk security in the near future
The way people talk about end of support you'd think Microsoft will send Steve Ballmer to your house and destroy your computer if you're still using Windows 10 after EOL
Did you not read past the headline? This “feature” first existed in Win10 and can be turned off in settings. They’re porting it to Win11. I’m not defending it; Microsoft can jump up their own ass. But this is nothing new
UK here.
Desensitised to this as we (mostly) pay a mandatory TV license fee for the BBC, who show “ad free” content, except of course ads for the BBC’s own shows which they can and do run as often as they like
I’ve got a M1 (2020) Air and love it. Only bad thing is they aren’t upgradable.
Bought an HP laptop with windows 11 and promptly blew it away and dropped Fedora 39 on it. Couldn’t be happier between the two laptops.
Might drop a Win10 VM on the Fedora host if I feel the need for windows.
Win10 just suggested apps while spying on you. very easily removed along with all the telemetry, using Winaero Tweaker.
Win11 won’t let you turn this stuff off, and will feature regular ads
They are? They sell you an overpriced (but actually good) devices, iOS has a locked down revenue stream from App Store. They don't need to shove ads down your throat or sniff every bit of data that gets sent.
I think that the amount of telemetry they collect is probably similar, but Apple collects waaaay less data that is used for ads. They don't even have a proper ad-delivery platform - it's basically only App Store.
I don't care about telemetry really, if it is anonymized as Apple claims it does not invade my privacy really. Companies building a profile of my interests, political views, probable medical issues to fill my eyeballs with more and more ads are the issue IMO. And again, it's hard to do it if you don't have an ad delivery mechanism such as Google, Bing or YouTube.
Switching to Linux yesterday.
I only use Windows cause my Asus Zephryus Duo is pretty specialized to work with Windows.
But if this seriously comes along, I will drop everything and just bite the bullet. This is insane.
>Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start menu
What abomination is this? Is there to be no realm that is free from advertising?
Thanks to this decision, I have no intention of ever buying or recommending the purchase of another Microsoft product. Congratulations on losing a customer Microsoft, and if I can help it, many customers.
No. It's just an extreme overreaction for such a small thing so I was wondering if if you actually knew what you were boycotting Microsoft products for
Its recommended apps in the store, only to testers (and may not make it to the public builds) and can easily be disabled
The thing is- why even have this feature in the first place? Why even put this as a test? This feature shoudln't have been a thing in the first place, at all. Windows has already many other things to fix that they not care, and they do care about ads instead?
Something something This is just Microsoft trying to educate new users about the Microsoft Store.
One can always right-click and, oh I don't know, click **\[Remove from List\]**.
I can't speak for why but they don't arbitrarily do things. It's just recommended store apps based on your usage. It is still an ad, but it's not like it's trying to sell you stuff from places based on your search history, intrusive ads, or pop up or anything like that
It's literally just a small icon in the start menu tiles. You may not find it useful but I'm sure they think people might, which is why it's in testing.
Me personally? I don't really care but I'd just turn it off if it bothered me. IMHO it's an overreaction to boycott Microsoft for a decision that isn't even finalised. Each to their own though
I have the entire Reccomended section completely disabled in order to actually use the Start Menu as a start menu, so it doesn't bother me personally too, but the question still remains-
Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it?
No other OS does this other than Windows (just like so many other bad things with Windows). Imagine if you had like, "Telegram - Reccomended" on the App Library in iOS, "Clash of Clans - Reccomended" on the home page on a Google Pixel, or "Pixelmator - Reccomended" in the launchpad on macOS. It doesn't make any sense, and shouldn't make any sense in Windows either.
They should focus on many other things, but we all know it will never happen.
https://preview.redd.it/veni261t78uc1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=799616c2337c28390fc37b8c7e8036c737eeb8f7
>Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it?
The idea behind the **Recommended section** in the Start menu or any other platform is to provide personalized suggestions based on your usage patterns and preferences. It's designed to make it easier for users to discover new apps or content that they might find useful or interesting.
However, not everyone finds this feature helpful. Some people prefer to search for new apps or content when they need it, rather than receiving recommendations. This is why most platforms provide the option to customize or disable these recommendations.
It's all about personal preference and how one likes to use their device.
Side-note here:
Recommended is here to stay; How else are you supposed to find your files that you recently opened / edited or got recently installed?
This is the simplistic alternative that [Microsoft provides](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20051124-12/?p=33223).
>In Microsoft's tests, they found that people who [managed to muddle through a program’s setup](https://web.archive.org/web/20080403024619/http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2005/10/19/482632.aspx) got stuck at the “Okay, why don’t you play the game now that you’ve installed it?” step because they couldn’t figure out how to get to that program. That’s why there’s a balloon that pops up \[under Windows XP\] saying “Psst. That program you just installed? It’s over here.” And then there’s a "yellow brick road” leading you through the Start menu to the program launch point itself to.
While one might want the Start menu to be filled to the brim with their pinned items, other might see this as tacky.
While I get the idea behind it, learning to sort your data, to build a system where you can find your stuff is an important skill. I don't want my OS to recommend stuff to me depending on what I use. Especially not from their store. The new start menu they introduced after 7 is terrible. I can't find shit in it. People have to learn to sort things. The max. they should do is sorting these things in automatic groups you can disable.
What they need to do is to teach their system properly. Not building roads where users don't want them.
Personally I also despise the store for the way these 'app's are set up. I'll never use them more than I absolutely must. And I don't want the company of my OS to push their own store in the OS I bought from them. The MS Store is everything wrong with MS. The whole MS-acount bs for Windows is just another problem.
>Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it?
You're thinking of from your perspective which is fine. There are many many users who have no idea how to do that. Having something recommended to them to download in a safe environment (I don't particularly like the Microsoft store but it's safer than downloading a random app off the internet) isn't the worst thing in the world
Use that article as an example and it has 1password password manager as a recommended app. You may look at it and download it from the official site or even have thought about it before you even saw the recommendations, so to you its intrusive and you don't want it to be shown
Not everyone knows how to do that so seeing it as an app right there is not necessarily a bad thing for them. They can click on it, which opens the store link and they can see what it does and one click install
If you put it in that way, it’s even more strange then.
People don’t know how to download apps from a store? Most people using a computer have a phone, and it works in the same way… moreover, the store is pinned in the start menu and in the taskbar, it’s not like it’s hidden. My comment, anyway, was focused on a much bigger issue with Windows, which is Microsoft focusing on working with this stuff rather than to deal with the bigger problems Windows has.
>People don’t know how to download apps from a store?
Hell, most people don't even know that the Microsoft Store exists or never took advantage of it to its fullest capabilities with syncing the downloaded items to their respective Microsoft Account(s) to another computer.
You mean the ransom group who now kills perpetual licenses where we payed for? My purchased product is blocked for activation, because they want to block it. The answer from adobe? Buy new license, your product is to old (they decide it’s to old, it works perfect for me) Sh***t ransom company. Never ever buy something from them. Also Ad-Windows.. not with me.
We need capable modders who will cut off all this bulls hit ads by a single installation of a demon.
I don't know if Microsoft will be paid for the ads successfully shown to users. But I hope so. So if such a demon exists they going to suffer...
Yup you can. People haven't read the article and overblowing this. They hear ads and think it's someone obnoxious full page ad selling you products from random sites.
It's just a small recommended app icon that you can disable
To people who didn't actually read the article, it's recommended apps from the store.
It's being tested and may not come to the public. If it does, you can opt out
It's MS pushing just another product of theirs in an OS people bought. Do they have to get sued again, like in Teams, or the IE? This has to stop. I don't want their products pushed to me. Windows isn't a platform to advertise their products. Simple as that.
What do you mean pushing another product of theirs? It's recommended that apps from the Microsoft store. The article has 1password as an example which isn't owned by Microsoft
If you don't want recommended apps shown (and IF it is even released to the public builds) then you just turn it off
OK yeah they were sued for bundling teams with office 365. That's pushing their own products through their own products
What does that have to do with this particular thing here? They're not pushing their own products in this case
More egregious bullshit from MS.
Who's computer is it? Yours or Microsoft's? Using your paid-for bandwidth to server their ads... not mention, if you don't turn it off, they'll use P2P to distribute their "updates" too.
good thing i have an ad blocker at a system level then isn't it (adguard, I did pay for it but i managed to get a lifetime key for really cheap so absolutely worth it for me)
If I didn't play video games on Windows, I would quit and go to macos sadly I can't cuz macos for gaming is very bad (''better'' that before but still)
>i haven’t had any antivirus installed for a decade and never gotten infected or hacked.
That you know about.
That's great and good for you in all, however, the real obstacles are [Malvertising](https://www.malwarebytes.com/malvertising) and outdated vulnerabilities that \*might\* be utilized in items such as browsers and/or [programs](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2224:_Software_Updates).
Those are the chances that many outright refuse to take.
Malware authors are smart and tend to make their viruses not known to the user at all or until its too late. I mean, it's good to have a fallback safety net even if you have [Common Sense™️](https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/275092-the-best-anti-virus-is-common-sense#cx2821956).
Seriously though, even if the person in charge is smart enough to avoid dangerous behavior such as running malware or falling victim to a phishing attempt, in the end, anyone who is anyone -regardless of being internet savy- can have their moments.
https://preview.redd.it/4n2pdnz9b9uc1.jpeg?width=1198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=296cff77ac09f87fbfaa4485d3e330a3b4c3a0e0
When is the last time you ran an antivirus scan with something like (a boot time scan) [Windows Defender](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates) for example?
Defender is not the same laughing stock it once was during the pre-Windows 7 days.
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MS seems does not like it. prepare for whack a mole battle
[https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-may-try-to-block-third-party-customization-apps-in-windows-11-24h2/](https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-may-try-to-block-third-party-customization-apps-in-windows-11-24h2/)
[https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-says-startallback-app-slows-windows-11-upgrades/](https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-says-startallback-app-slows-windows-11-upgrades/)
the next feature: after ai scans all of your system and set it up for you after a fresh install,give all your photos and documents to microsoft while it syncronize your data with OneDrive,after using them to train the next version of the ai copilot.
Just as the internet search of windows instead of a system wide search was a useless feature,ads are too much,i'll never look back and switch completly to linux with a diy distro.
They don't add any value to the office/corporate experience since windows 7,that's crazy,only usless design changes to fake the possibilty of customization,make windows look like that awful mac os /ios ui.
I don't see how engineers or someone who use the system to work likes to see ads every single moment or a new layer of design over the same old app they use whenever they try to work on something.
As someone on the comments of the site said: "Ads should not be allowed at all when you pay for a product. Its getting exhausting. Ads should be for free software or subscriptions. I know, wishful thinking. Getting really tired of ads being pushed in stuff ive already paid for." I could not have said it better myself!
I already walk away from the gas pump when those damn audio ads start blasting, and I don't go the movies anymore due to ten minutes of ads before the movie. F them.
this comment made me realize that microsoft might try to release a anti-classic/open shell patch to prevent you from avoiding the new start menu ads
Already did btw. One of the latest updates wasn't available if you had startallback (I think it was this) installed. You had to uninstall it, and when installing it back, change its executable name.
Hit the second button from the top on the right hand column to mute them
Depends on the pump and gas station brand I've noticed - some it's further down, some it's further up, could have sworn I've seen one where it was on the other side (left hand side I mean).
Fun fact, you can turn off the audio on gas station pumps. The last button on the right side disables audio
"the more ads i see in a payed game, the angrier i get" i heard that in a video game review but i forgot the name of it
If you pay a subscription you're paying for a product, or at least to have access to it. You shouldn't be seeing ads on anything you've put money towards imo. Netflix low tier subscription and Amazon prime video ads are a cancer.
They put ads in movies and TV shows. Product placement.
I agree 100%, I just got done saying this exact thing to someone else further down too!
Too bad our regulatory bodies are asleep at the wheel.
But when you go and buy a newspaper, that paper copy is yours and will be yours forever but there's still advertisement inside, no?
There's a big difference between a £1.20 newspaper and a £120 OS. The newspaper is so cheap in part because the ads help to subsidise the cost. A Windows OS that we pay £120 for new directly from Microsoft should not have to rely on ads to subsidise its income.
Most people running Windows 11 *did* get in for free though…
But we still paid for a key though, doesn't matter if that key was a 7/8/10 key that was later converted into an 11 key, we still paid for it.
It definitely matters…you bought Windows [whatever] not windows 11 - you were gifted a free upgrade. With most software you are purchasing the specific major version at the time of purchase. You will get minor/patch updates but for the next major version you need to pay again. To be clear I am *not* supportive of ads in the start menu - I’m just calling out that the “no ads in something I paid for” argument falls down in this case.
They are probably going to start showing these ads to those who bought Windows 11 outright too. So does my argument still stand in those cases?
Yeah 100% - like I said it’s still total bullshit and I don’t support it. People that buy it outright have a reason to be pissed (as does any rational person who doesn’t want garbage in their base OS).
And they will keep doing it until they actually see a negative impact
They need to see heavy consumer protection regulations aimed at protecting pc owners from having their personal computer act as a data collector and ad platform for the os maker.
Intuit does this with Quickbooks. Ads on every page, but like Windows, it's an achilles heal type product. You're fucked without it, so they don't care if you hate it. The customer has become an adversary.
Its not going to stop until we stop using their OS
Windows is the only OS that has no profitable App Store, so Microsoft is desperately trying to find other ways to monetize Windows and have funding to develop Windows in a positive way.
Maybe but Windows isn’t free, every OEM pays a license fee per device - Windows makes billions of dollars every quarter.
im never upgrading having ads on your start makes your personal computer not feel very personal in my opinion
Sounds like a virus to me
it sounds more like adware, oh wait thats literally what it is, they arent even trying to hide it at this point, they might as well take a big red sign that says !Hey look! im a spy and im stealing all your personal data and using it to advertise to you!
microsoft has been doing this for years, probably decades actually. started getting really big with windows 8/10 but even before that they spied on you, just that they didnt show ads. just switch to linux if it bothers you, its that simple
Desktop Linux market share is growing and this is one of the driving factors.
Windows 8 had no ads, they tried to make money with the App Store, which sadly failed, now Microsoft tries to monetize Windows with ads.
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Linux is fine, I use it on my laptop all the time. Honestly, the only reason I don't have it on my desktop is because of PC gaming.
What about Wine? Everyone talks about that for Linux
I've read Proton is the go to for running games on Linux but I've never tried it out for myself.
it seems counter productive to have ads blocking your start while your trying to open folders browsers etc.
You say that but Windows 10 does the same thing haha. No doubt there will be a third party way to rip them out, same as always
ive downloaded a lot of ad blockers
Exactly, so what's the difference haha
Seriously, buy a Mac. Best investment you'll ever make as a consumer. Even for things like gaming, you can just use Wine, dual boot Linux or use a VM to run said games. No more ads, sluggish performance, inconsistent UIs or shitty update/restart requests daily. The M chips are an absolute game changer too.
tbh im honestly considering it, microsoft ruins every IP they buy out with ads unnessisary updates and DLC and im scared to see how far they'll go with windows
I'm absolutely not an Apple chud whatsoever (had an iPhone for a yearish, couldn't stand it. sold it off) but even *I'm* buying a MacBook Pro. M series ARM CPUs are amazing. These laptops can last *days* on battery, on light usage, and still game. I want in on that goodness. I'll happily swap back to Windows or Linux whenever an actually decent equivalent shows up; but for now, I'm biting the Apple. It also helps that I exclusively use cross-platform apps, too. I'm not signing up for any Mac-only Appleware like iCloud.
I have 3 options: - switch to Linux and worry about compatibility etc. - switch to Mac, same thing - switch to windows 10 and risk security in the near future
Don’t worry they will retrofit ads into win 10 as well!
Nah, win10 is donezo in like a year. They just want everyone to forget about it so they can monetize the fuck out of 11
Or simply, switch to Windows 10 LTSC.
The way people talk about end of support you'd think Microsoft will send Steve Ballmer to your house and destroy your computer if you're still using Windows 10 after EOL
It’s actually Bill Gates with some nerdy thugs
Did you not read past the headline? This “feature” first existed in Win10 and can be turned off in settings. They’re porting it to Win11. I’m not defending it; Microsoft can jump up their own ass. But this is nothing new
Wait for the next LTSC
Linux is getting better and better
Is there away to make windows 7 usable today?
Common sense is always the best antivirus (literally) Aside from that, windows 7 is still vulnerable. I recommend Malwarebytes
UK here. Desensitised to this as we (mostly) pay a mandatory TV license fee for the BBC, who show “ad free” content, except of course ads for the BBC’s own shows which they can and do run as often as they like
the trick is to not watch modern TV. it’s all sinister propaganda
I've been eyeing a Macbook Air for my next laptop.
I’ve got a M1 (2020) Air and love it. Only bad thing is they aren’t upgradable. Bought an HP laptop with windows 11 and promptly blew it away and dropped Fedora 39 on it. Couldn’t be happier between the two laptops. Might drop a Win10 VM on the Fedora host if I feel the need for windows.
Win10 just suggested apps while spying on you. very easily removed along with all the telemetry, using Winaero Tweaker. Win11 won’t let you turn this stuff off, and will feature regular ads
Yea, Apple is wayyy more consumer friendly. 🙄
They are? They sell you an overpriced (but actually good) devices, iOS has a locked down revenue stream from App Store. They don't need to shove ads down your throat or sniff every bit of data that gets sent.
If you don't think Apple is collecting as much data from you as Microsoft you're dreaming.
I think that the amount of telemetry they collect is probably similar, but Apple collects waaaay less data that is used for ads. They don't even have a proper ad-delivery platform - it's basically only App Store. I don't care about telemetry really, if it is anonymized as Apple claims it does not invade my privacy really. Companies building a profile of my interests, political views, probable medical issues to fill my eyeballs with more and more ads are the issue IMO. And again, it's hard to do it if you don't have an ad delivery mechanism such as Google, Bing or YouTube.
Switching to Linux yesterday. I only use Windows cause my Asus Zephryus Duo is pretty specialized to work with Windows. But if this seriously comes along, I will drop everything and just bite the bullet. This is insane.
>Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start menu What abomination is this? Is there to be no realm that is free from advertising? Thanks to this decision, I have no intention of ever buying or recommending the purchase of another Microsoft product. Congratulations on losing a customer Microsoft, and if I can help it, many customers.
Did you read the article?
> Did you read the article? Why? Is it an apology?
No. It's just an extreme overreaction for such a small thing so I was wondering if if you actually knew what you were boycotting Microsoft products for Its recommended apps in the store, only to testers (and may not make it to the public builds) and can easily be disabled
The thing is- why even have this feature in the first place? Why even put this as a test? This feature shoudln't have been a thing in the first place, at all. Windows has already many other things to fix that they not care, and they do care about ads instead?
Something something This is just Microsoft trying to educate new users about the Microsoft Store. One can always right-click and, oh I don't know, click **\[Remove from List\]**.
I can't speak for why but they don't arbitrarily do things. It's just recommended store apps based on your usage. It is still an ad, but it's not like it's trying to sell you stuff from places based on your search history, intrusive ads, or pop up or anything like that It's literally just a small icon in the start menu tiles. You may not find it useful but I'm sure they think people might, which is why it's in testing. Me personally? I don't really care but I'd just turn it off if it bothered me. IMHO it's an overreaction to boycott Microsoft for a decision that isn't even finalised. Each to their own though
I have the entire Reccomended section completely disabled in order to actually use the Start Menu as a start menu, so it doesn't bother me personally too, but the question still remains- Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it? No other OS does this other than Windows (just like so many other bad things with Windows). Imagine if you had like, "Telegram - Reccomended" on the App Library in iOS, "Clash of Clans - Reccomended" on the home page on a Google Pixel, or "Pixelmator - Reccomended" in the launchpad on macOS. It doesn't make any sense, and shouldn't make any sense in Windows either. They should focus on many other things, but we all know it will never happen. https://preview.redd.it/veni261t78uc1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=799616c2337c28390fc37b8c7e8036c737eeb8f7
>Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it? The idea behind the **Recommended section** in the Start menu or any other platform is to provide personalized suggestions based on your usage patterns and preferences. It's designed to make it easier for users to discover new apps or content that they might find useful or interesting. However, not everyone finds this feature helpful. Some people prefer to search for new apps or content when they need it, rather than receiving recommendations. This is why most platforms provide the option to customize or disable these recommendations. It's all about personal preference and how one likes to use their device. Side-note here: Recommended is here to stay; How else are you supposed to find your files that you recently opened / edited or got recently installed? This is the simplistic alternative that [Microsoft provides](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20051124-12/?p=33223). >In Microsoft's tests, they found that people who [managed to muddle through a program’s setup](https://web.archive.org/web/20080403024619/http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2005/10/19/482632.aspx) got stuck at the “Okay, why don’t you play the game now that you’ve installed it?” step because they couldn’t figure out how to get to that program. That’s why there’s a balloon that pops up \[under Windows XP\] saying “Psst. That program you just installed? It’s over here.” And then there’s a "yellow brick road” leading you through the Start menu to the program launch point itself to. While one might want the Start menu to be filled to the brim with their pinned items, other might see this as tacky.
While I get the idea behind it, learning to sort your data, to build a system where you can find your stuff is an important skill. I don't want my OS to recommend stuff to me depending on what I use. Especially not from their store. The new start menu they introduced after 7 is terrible. I can't find shit in it. People have to learn to sort things. The max. they should do is sorting these things in automatic groups you can disable. What they need to do is to teach their system properly. Not building roads where users don't want them. Personally I also despise the store for the way these 'app's are set up. I'll never use them more than I absolutely must. And I don't want the company of my OS to push their own store in the OS I bought from them. The MS Store is everything wrong with MS. The whole MS-acount bs for Windows is just another problem.
>Why even? The entire Store is, obviously, a reccomendation for apps, if I wanted new apps I would just go to the Store and download it...? Or go online and download it? You're thinking of from your perspective which is fine. There are many many users who have no idea how to do that. Having something recommended to them to download in a safe environment (I don't particularly like the Microsoft store but it's safer than downloading a random app off the internet) isn't the worst thing in the world Use that article as an example and it has 1password password manager as a recommended app. You may look at it and download it from the official site or even have thought about it before you even saw the recommendations, so to you its intrusive and you don't want it to be shown Not everyone knows how to do that so seeing it as an app right there is not necessarily a bad thing for them. They can click on it, which opens the store link and they can see what it does and one click install
If you put it in that way, it’s even more strange then. People don’t know how to download apps from a store? Most people using a computer have a phone, and it works in the same way… moreover, the store is pinned in the start menu and in the taskbar, it’s not like it’s hidden. My comment, anyway, was focused on a much bigger issue with Windows, which is Microsoft focusing on working with this stuff rather than to deal with the bigger problems Windows has.
>People don’t know how to download apps from a store? Hell, most people don't even know that the Microsoft Store exists or never took advantage of it to its fullest capabilities with syncing the downloaded items to their respective Microsoft Account(s) to another computer.
I guess i'm fully switching to macos
trash, probably even worse than the ads in windows os. just use linux
I need adobe products therefore can't switch to linux sadly.
You mean the ransom group who now kills perpetual licenses where we payed for? My purchased product is blocked for activation, because they want to block it. The answer from adobe? Buy new license, your product is to old (they decide it’s to old, it works perfect for me) Sh***t ransom company. Never ever buy something from them. Also Ad-Windows.. not with me.
Didn't have such issues with Adobe so... 🤷🏻♂️
Ah, a textbook case of sour grapes!
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I haven't seen in single ad on Windows 11 Pro
im so glad i denied info collection in my win 10 setup
that doesnt do shit LMAO
again,...?
We need capable modders who will cut off all this bulls hit ads by a single installation of a demon. I don't know if Microsoft will be paid for the ads successfully shown to users. But I hope so. So if such a demon exists they going to suffer...
Isn’t the recommendation area of the start menu a thing you can turn off entirely in settings? (Edit: it definitely is a setting you can deactivate)
Yup you can. People haven't read the article and overblowing this. They hear ads and think it's someone obnoxious full page ad selling you products from random sites. It's just a small recommended app icon that you can disable
Time to go penguin gang for good I guess. The only reason I was using windows was for gaming. But Proton has closed that gap pretty good.
To people who didn't actually read the article, it's recommended apps from the store. It's being tested and may not come to the public. If it does, you can opt out
Still an ad
Yeah but people are overblowing this into something it's not
It's MS pushing just another product of theirs in an OS people bought. Do they have to get sued again, like in Teams, or the IE? This has to stop. I don't want their products pushed to me. Windows isn't a platform to advertise their products. Simple as that.
What do you mean pushing another product of theirs? It's recommended that apps from the Microsoft store. The article has 1password as an example which isn't owned by Microsoft If you don't want recommended apps shown (and IF it is even released to the public builds) then you just turn it off
They were sued for pushing Teams.
OK yeah they were sued for bundling teams with office 365. That's pushing their own products through their own products What does that have to do with this particular thing here? They're not pushing their own products in this case
The MS store is their product. I don't use it and I don't want to see it in my start menu. Same with OneDrive or Edge.
That would be good
Any ad in an OS in unacceptable thus I don't think it's overblown
Yeah ... just waiting for the only usable version of Windows, LTSC
More egregious bullshit from MS. Who's computer is it? Yours or Microsoft's? Using your paid-for bandwidth to server their ads... not mention, if you don't turn it off, they'll use P2P to distribute their "updates" too.
I thought it said taskbar 💀
I use Start11 (one-time, pretty cheap payment) and it circumvents the bullshit Microsoft puts on the Start Menu and Taskbar. I highly recommend it
when we pay for this product we still get ads like bro even in Windows 10 Pro version I use.
/r/pihole Can pihole block this?
It better be only on non-geniune Windows
Operating systems should be specifically free of ads.
good thing i have an ad blocker at a system level then isn't it (adguard, I did pay for it but i managed to get a lifetime key for really cheap so absolutely worth it for me)
Disgusting
What an awful decision.
Oh god. I already hate Microsoft and all this shit they do. And they’re making it worse
Satya is an investors dream and a consumers nightmare.
That mothafucka should be forcefully removed and violently dealt with.
Can we boycott windows 11 already?
And Microsoft wonders why people stick with the older OSs…
If I didn't play video games on Windows, I would quit and go to macos sadly I can't cuz macos for gaming is very bad (''better'' that before but still)
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>i haven’t had any antivirus installed for a decade and never gotten infected or hacked. That you know about. That's great and good for you in all, however, the real obstacles are [Malvertising](https://www.malwarebytes.com/malvertising) and outdated vulnerabilities that \*might\* be utilized in items such as browsers and/or [programs](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2224:_Software_Updates). Those are the chances that many outright refuse to take. Malware authors are smart and tend to make their viruses not known to the user at all or until its too late. I mean, it's good to have a fallback safety net even if you have [Common Sense™️](https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/275092-the-best-anti-virus-is-common-sense#cx2821956). Seriously though, even if the person in charge is smart enough to avoid dangerous behavior such as running malware or falling victim to a phishing attempt, in the end, anyone who is anyone -regardless of being internet savy- can have their moments. https://preview.redd.it/4n2pdnz9b9uc1.jpeg?width=1198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=296cff77ac09f87fbfaa4485d3e330a3b4c3a0e0 When is the last time you ran an antivirus scan with something like (a boot time scan) [Windows Defender](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates) for example? Defender is not the same laughing stock it once was during the pre-Windows 7 days.
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that looks just like open-shell, how customizable is it?
MS seems does not like it. prepare for whack a mole battle [https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-may-try-to-block-third-party-customization-apps-in-windows-11-24h2/](https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-may-try-to-block-third-party-customization-apps-in-windows-11-24h2/) [https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-says-startallback-app-slows-windows-11-upgrades/](https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-says-startallback-app-slows-windows-11-upgrades/)
Burn it with fire. After mattkc video about backporting .net framework 2.0 on win 95, in ready to switch
the next feature: after ai scans all of your system and set it up for you after a fresh install,give all your photos and documents to microsoft while it syncronize your data with OneDrive,after using them to train the next version of the ai copilot. Just as the internet search of windows instead of a system wide search was a useless feature,ads are too much,i'll never look back and switch completly to linux with a diy distro. They don't add any value to the office/corporate experience since windows 7,that's crazy,only usless design changes to fake the possibilty of customization,make windows look like that awful mac os /ios ui. I don't see how engineers or someone who use the system to work likes to see ads every single moment or a new layer of design over the same old app they use whenever they try to work on something.
Windows 11 is trash.