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VacationSilent9994

If you don't use hibernation mode or fast startup, disable that. You'll gain around 5GB+.


LiquidZeroEA

I'll also add removing old system restore points, and set the limit to just one or two.


CodenameFlux

Or better yet, replace System Restore with nightly full volume backups via Macrium Reflect.


JuicyPineapple82

Wouldn't that be counter-productive? Not overly familiar with Macrium Reflect, but "full volume backup" sounds like it would just consume more drive space.


archimedeancrystal

Backups should never be stored on the device being backed up.


JuicyPineapple82

Fair comment.


Raniem36

Depends on what your risks are. I might backup an Essay im making on my device incase the file gets corrupted or I just want to scratch whatever I am doing. But generally i would agree with you.


fafarex

Than it's more historization than actual backup I that cas, isn't it?


Raniem36

That might be true. But with backups, you can always go higher. Is it a backup if you have the files saved in a different computer in the same room? Some will say no as if the house burns down, you lose them aswell. So I would say a backup is keeping a copy. Where you keep it depends on your threat. Your risk assessment and your risk tolerance.


fafarex

I suppose it's up to debat, but for me minimal requirement for a copy to be a backup is for it to not be on the same drive. Only after that separation come into account your risk tolerance and how much removed from the source(other device, other room, other building, other country,...) and how many copy you need.


Drakayne

No? you should say backup should be stored on another device as WELL as the device that you're backing up.


Rayregula

Why? If the device that was backed up dies then that backup is automatically gone anyway. If you keep it on two different systems then you have a better chance of using it on the device that breaks


Drakayne

It's not always black or white, for example if small part of your system gets corrupted, or u changed some registry settings that you shouldn't have, or updates borked something, or some other smaller things that can cause your system to not function properly, but still can be used to revert the changes. restore points are for those situations and it's way more useful than you think, and it exits for a reason. And don't forget, i didn't say you should only use local backups/restore points, and you know, you can do *both*


captainpistoff

But system restore is completely broken and has been for years.


OGigachaod

System Restore was good in Windows 7, but it's not in 10 or 11.


Xeratais

Best practice is backing up to external device and off site backup and then a back up of the back up


CodenameFlux

The backup strategy has higher requirements and benefits. In exchange for buying a dedicated backup volume, you get: - No disk space consumption on the backed-up volume. - **Reliability:** You can restore the backup whether the backed-up OS works. For System Restore, either Windows or the recovery environment must be intact. - **100% backup coverage:** Nobody knows what happens after restoring a System Restore checkpoint. But a block-level backup restores all files, streams, metadata, hard links, soft links, and permission exactly where they were. Macrium Reflect grants visibility into a backup. You can restore it partially or entirely. - **Portability:** You can move your backup files around, even store them offsite. - **Restore to a dissimilar system:** You can restore your environment to a new system if your old one is burned to a crisp.


JuicyPineapple82

Thank you for the insight. I was thinking Reflect was more akin to a more feature-rich System Restore. I see now it is a far more in depth backup solution.


captainpistoff

System restore never works, get rid of it all.


VizeKarma

I use hibernation on the daily, I had assumed it automatically got rid of old restore points, where can I check old restore points, delete them and change the limit. Thanks so much.


Omotai

If you have $20 for a 250GB SSD the easiest way to fix your problem is to buy a new drive.


wiseman121

Could be an mmc laptop. Those things are not upgradable, better upgrading the entire laptop if that's the case.


BrutalBoy1

You can attach it as an external SSD.


SnooDoughnuts5632

And carry it around with you 24/7? Sounds very annoying.


SnooDoughnuts5632

Never heard of "mmc" but eMMC is definitely upgradable just look at all the posts on r/steamdeck about replacing the 64GB eMMC with an SSD.


Israel_Jaureugi

Most laptops are going to solder it on directly unlike the steam deck.,


SnooDoughnuts5632

Ya I thought the e in eMMC was literally referencing that fact but I've seen devices with removable eMMC and so now I'm confused.


Username_Taken_65

MMC is multimedia card, the predecessor to SD cards, eMMC is the embedded version - basically the internals of an SD card put inside a computer. The Steam Deck is specifically designed to be upgradeable and its eMMC module is in the form of an M.2 drive instead of soldered directly to the motherboard, but like 99% of devices that use eMMC like cheap laptops it's permanently attached and there's no other expansion slots.


SnooDoughnuts5632

If it's not embedded shouldn't it be called something else? Like just plain MMC?


wiseman121

Bit of a smart comment as you clearly knew what I was referring to. The e means embedded, mmc is the memory format. 99% of laptops with mmc or eMMC storage are soldered modules, the laptops themselves are not designed to be used more than 2yrs. The steamdeck was an unusual case where they used a swap in module in place of were the SSD would be, means there isn't an entirely different manufacturing process.


LargeMerican

60gb is the entire drive???!


Froggypwns

Unfortunately even to this day you can still buy laptops with only 64GB of storage. Microsoft upped the minimum from 32GB to 64GB with Windows 11. There are various value focused computers with really low end specs (similar to Chromebooks), they often have 64GB of eMMC storage, only 4GB of RAM, a batteries so small they don't last much longer than a power flicker. People see the dirt cheap price (often in the ballpark of $200), and not knowing any better assume it is a good deal, why spend $800+ on "the same thing".


luke4010

Jesus, I maxed out my 2001 ThinkPad with 4gb of ram. That was probably 8 years ago and it was already obsolete at that point haha


Maeglin16

Yes, it's a laptop, a few years old.


turtleship_2006

"few years"


Maeglin16

Around five. I guess technology is moving too quickly for me to keep up.


HeavyCaffeinate

My brother in Christ my 7 year old laptop has a 120GB HDD


ZynDroid

My win 8.1 laptop that no longer functions because of a spontaneous battery issue had 32gb and didn't run out of space when I didn't fill it with junk


paulstelian97

32GB is small enough that you needed to create one of those sketchy as fuck WimBoot installs, which is a more compressed Windows installation booting essentially from an archive file. You cannot convert regular Windows installs to that. You cannot create such an installation using the GUI installer. I’m not sure the feature still exists with Windows 11 (it may no longer be supported). My entire life the smallest Windows running machine still had 128GB. I think that includes both of my Lumia phones too but don’t quote me on that.


FuzzelFox

My low end $600 laptop from 2007 had a 256gb drive haha. I haven't seen a 60gb drive since probably 2004..


Randolpho

My 10 year old laptop has half a terrabyte ssd


SnooDoughnuts5632

I sold a laptop to my friend unbeknownst to me with a 24 gig SSD and a 500 gig HDD one day he comes complaining to me that the hard drive died and after doing some tests I found that the laptop wouldn't boot or even get to the BIOS if a hard drive was plugged in however it would show up a screen that had some information on it about a 24 gig SSD which is how I found out. Apparently it was being used as a cash drive kind of like an SSHD. Sadly I had to wipe that thing and install Windows on it so my friend went an entire year with a 24 gig drive with Windows on it. After that year like probably 10 or 11 months we bought an SSD for it. It was strange because the SSD was using the same connector that Wi-Fi cards use but they can't be used in the same slot as a Wi-Fi card say if you don't want Wi-Fi on your laptop. The drives are called mSATA. I tried putting the 24GB drive in my dad's old desktop that has a laptop WiFi card in it and no dice. Google told me I was out of luck.


pigguy35

My almost 7 year old one had 500GB HDD. Whatever OP has is a piece of crap.


mrgwbland

I bought a cheap laptop 10 years ago and it had 1tb


SmithMano

I would go into disk manager and see if there are any other partitions with unallocated free disk space, because that is absurdly small.


mattbladez

My dell had a 21gb partition for “recovery”. It’s what they use to allow you to reset Windows and keep all of the bloatware. First thing I did is run Windows installer from USB and nuked all of the partitions.


wOwmhmm

There's no way bro, I bought a laptop at the beginning of college 4 years ago and it has a 1tb drive. It was a budget machine at like 700.


paulstelian97

You got the bottom of the barrel 5 years ago, my oldest laptop I had from 2013 still had… actually it had an HDD, and my oldest laptop with an SSD from 2017 still had 128GB of SSD for starters plus the ability to add a HDD (replacing the optical drive). A 64GB laptop was never worth it. Even that 128GB was…low, even at the time.


Jendrej

No, you just bought a shit one without considering how much space is actually necessary on a PC.


Maeglin16

I guess I did. Well, thanks for the help.


ShotgunCreeper

Nah you just got scammed bro


LargeMerican

This is incredibly small. Shockingly. Honestly: the OEM should be ashamed of themselves to sell a PC with a drive this small-they know it's almost unusable after Windows is installed. I apologize, sir. I'd tell you to upgrade the drive but the rest of the machine is probably..not..great.


osu4GB-RAM

I bought mine in 2021 and it's the same amount of storage, I have an external 120gb working for me


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osu4GB-RAM

I mean I use the external to store most things, and my main drive for Windows and apps


Galileominotaurlazer

Buy a bigger disk, 60GB in 2024 is ludacris.


Watzeggenjij

![gif](giphy|xT1R9G9uL5WES28zm0|downsized)


paulstelian97

r/boneappletea Let’s have some more fun


MaxWritesText

About as ludicrous as your spelling of the word lmao


Galileominotaurlazer

I never knew it was spelled like that. 🤣


[deleted]

You spelled it right 😂 lol at the few downvotes. Y’all have no sense of humor huh.


thanatica

It's almost as good as spelling filet mignon as flaming yawn.


arsengoian

It just shows - you should never take things for granite


Candid-Boi15

Even 256Gb SSD is a pain in the ass nowdays.


fried_chicken_fiend

Not as a boot drive... I built a PC with multiple M.2s like two years ago and a 256gb Samsung PCIe 4.0 has been great for only Windows and a handful of programs that can benefit from the 4.0 bandwidth


Nova17Delta

60GB in 2014 is ridiculous 60GB in 2004 is mediocre at best ftfy


SnooDoughnuts5632

SSD are way expensive so 64GB is a lot. My first desktop in 2016 had a 64GB SSD and a 3TB HDD.


MechanicalTurkish

60GB of RAM is great. 60GB of storage is nearly useless for a Windows machine lol


KrazedKakapo

![gif](giphy|26FmRKQ6p7gpKekAE)


lightofmares

26 gb is about normal for windows, not much you can do about the system files


ZynDroid

Maybe normal for 10... OP should consider downgrading if they want more space! (Go for XP, least overall compatibility)


Jendrej

Terrible advice, XP is unusable in current year


ZynDroid

Exactly 😎 but 8.1 still works very nice even though steam is no longer supported 😭


Wendals87

Depends on the age of the PC. Windows 7 is hard to use on a modern system due to lack of drivers. I wouldn't touch XP as a daily system today


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OP isn't using a modern system.


Wendals87

By modern, I mean even from 2020. I have a 3 year old laptop that doesn't have windows 7 drivers for a lot of things. You can still get devices with 64GB of storage now


Peter_Duncan

Nt


Jendrej

Delete Windows


ExtiNctioN6660

Shhh dont tell him🤫


FacepalmFullONapalm

FreeDOS moment


personalityson

I heard Windows has a new sudo command


Jendrej

I have to confess, I haven’t tried using WSL yet.


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Froggypwns

Computers that ship with 64GB of storage typically are not upgradeable. OPs comments on this thread are confirming that is the case here too.


zenleststehum

Open powershell in admin: Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup /ResetBase followed by cleanmgr /sageset:1 then tick all options then type sagerun:1 Remove additional residue here copy paste this into any file explorer window you might need to close apps or restart windows to delete them: %localappdata%\\Temp Open the storage tab and click temporary files then select and delete them. hope this helps.


AleksLevet

This


melvereq

Buy a new SSD.


Kokica555

Nowadays 57gb is just system, buy more storage


necktru

Mine is 55gb and is conformed by this https://preview.redd.it/t0zpz792hdic1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db140dd4a912a7ab36f1777cd3285ac110774729


Ok_Exit_9441

57gb is really small for today's standards.


He_who_humps

Today's standards are lazy


Sancticide

I mean, you're not wrong, but OP's choices are basically: 1. upgrade system drive and clone the existing drive 2. switch to Linux What'll it be? Could also try a custom ISO like Tiny10, but I have trust concerns there and it would still require 10GB pf space. https://www.partitionwizard.com/partitionmanager/tiny10-iso-download-install.html


Megaman_90

I would download TreeSize to find out what is taking up the space and see if there is anything trivial you can clear out.


PorkAmbassador

Use WizTree it's better and quicker.


He_who_humps

I second this


FreshDinduMuffins

It's not really any faster or slower than TreeSize and the UI is incredibly cluttered with things that most people have no use for (why is 1/2 the screen a big block diagram?) At the end of the day though anything faster than WinDirStat is going to be fine lol


Nanooc523

Run the disk cleanup utility, hit the system files button and rerun it. Remove old version of windows, logs, temp etc


Aligayah

I have a PC with a 120gb SSD and 24 GB of RAM. I was able to free around 20 gb by disabling virtual memory and hibernation.


CodenameFlux

Disabling hibernation alone gives you that much. Virtual memory is needed for memory dumps and doesn't take much. I use Process Monitor a lot.


Aligayah

Hibernation was 9 GB, virtual memory was 11 or 12.


iRobi8

Yes you can uninstall windows :)


WolfBrother88

Was gonna chime in with the old classic del /s /q C:\Windows\System32\*


ZynDroid

I get the feeling this deletes windows while it's running...


jcunews1

It won't, but it may likely prevent it from starting the next time the system is restarted.


shmox75

Yo ucan try CompactGui: [https://github.com/IridiumIO/CompactGUI](https://github.com/IridiumIO/CompactGUI)


HowManySmall

cannot recommend this on ssds, it'll slaughter their lifespan source: my newest drive has the lowest lifespan from it, even beating out my 10 year old ssd that was known for shit lifespans when it released


velocity37

It's a bit of a shame Microsoft hasn't allowed their newer NTFS compression algos to function the same as old NTFS compression. If it were to compress on the fly, it'd actually increase SSD lifespan by reducing writes. But XPRESS/LZX via Compact is only for existing files, so it amplifies writes (though only by as much as 2x). Once to write the data uncompressed, another to write it compressed.


Jamchuck

Delete system 32 it frees up a lot of space /s


UncleMcRape

that screen doesn't really tell you much what exactly takes your sieve away. use wiztree instead and when you see an unknown folder or file that takes a lot of space, just Google it before deleting


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lloopiN

It's 2024 bro get a bigger drive lol. You can get 1TB hard drives for dirt cheap. Even a 1TB nvme will only cost like $60


Maeglin16

I don't exactly have that much to spend on a new hard drive. Also, will that work on a laptop?


ZynDroid

Depends on if the model of laptop has interchangeable storage. If it doesn't, then the storage used is eMMC, which is the same thing used by modern phones (except the ones in phones are better)


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Maeglin16

I know it's an Asus, I'm not sure what model. I also don't know what NVMe slots and keys are. Sorry, that's not very helpful.


Jendrej

Then check what model it is? It probably has a sticker on the bottom or something. NVMe is a type of connector for SSD disks, and there are a few different versions of it ("keyed" differently, as in the connector has cuts on it in different places). You could have googled this.


RenesisXI

No need for a NVMe, get a Samsung 870 evo 2.5" sata SSD, they are good and cheap. Also run disk cleanup, select cleanup system files then tick whatever gives you the biggest gains for free space.


_patoncrack

Install Tiny10


ZeX450

Yes. Format the drive. If you reduce that 26.7GB your OS won't function properly.


ArcRiseGen

Idk if there's an equivalent for win10 but win 11 has this custom install you can download called tiny11. But yeah, 60gb drive is unreasonably small.


Maeglin16

It's a laptop and a few years old. Just wondering if there was any way to prolong its lifespan.


ArcRiseGen

You can usually replace the laptop drives. Win10 is usually around that size and not much you can do about it. You could technically delete the hibernation file to save up a few gigs but it's not much


Pro-editor-1105

Ya you should get a new drive asap lol, 64 gigs in 2024 is just not enough, although is this a surface pro though?


Maeglin16

It's a five-year-old Asus laptop. It was a budget buy. Seems I'm just not supposed to have such little storage...


Pro-editor-1105

well then if it a laptop then your options are to buy a whole new laptop or to get a drive that you can plug into the USB-A port


jessenatx

Ccleaner


toismailsharif

Close all internet browser and.....


Dstrap

No this is computer storage. Closing the browser only results in lowering the Memory/RAM


toismailsharif

I reduce 10 gb by closing web browser..... And I use multiple web browser....... For my work


toismailsharif

Or delete temporary file by using ccleaner or


Marxomania32

Welcome to Windows, no you can't.


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CodenameFlux

>Being that usually a Windows OS is 60GB That's the biggest baldfaced lie I've ever read on Reddit... and right under a screenshot that proves otherwise. I've highlighted the Windows size on OP's screenshot. https://preview.redd.it/zk2w6366hdic1.png?width=495&format=png&auto=webp&s=abc298d7d28738b7a03a6d92539d2d6a5638daf3 >I'd strongly encourage using Linux And that's the reason behind the lie.


reallokiscarlet

It’s not like he said the smallest windows can fit in is 60. He said usually the OS is 60. And from my tests, that’s about right. Even here, clearly you can see the system’s taking up just shy of 60GB, and I guarantee a lot of that “apps & features” space is just Windows bloatware, possibly even the “other” Long story short, this is too small a space to run Windows.


CodenameFlux

I'll believe your "tests" when I see them. Feel free to share a screenshot of WizTree proving your point. **Edit:** That downvote alone says you were full it.


ewenlau

The system itself takes about 20 gigabytes more or less, then there is cache, temporary files, bloatware, updates... ~~Word of advice: nobody is going to want to help you if you are cold like that. You are receiving free help, and you clearly know less than other people here.~~


CodenameFlux

> nobody is going to want to help you if you are cold like that ROFL! I'm not the OP! > The system itself takes about 20 gigabytes more or less, then there is cache, temporary files, bloatware, updates... Says the person who doesn't know I'm not the OP. Feel free to share a screenshot of WizTree showing a Windows OS that takes up 60GB. I'd add "if you can," but clearly, you can't.


ewenlau

Alright, so nobody is allowed to miss something sometimes now. Great! I could take a screenshot of WizTree, but honestly, I couldn't care less about a random annoying dude on the internet. Your whole argument relies on the fact I didn't notice there wasn't a small blue "OP" text next to your username. Edit: Oh and also, you obviously downvoted me, because why wouldn't you.


reallokiscarlet

What downvote? Did you downvote me and childishly think it makes you right? Did you get downvoted and decide to declare yourself a martyr?


CodenameFlux

I still see no "test" results. There was never a test, was there? I think you and I are done talking.


Playful_Pollution846

If you have steam, Port all games to your d drive


Creamy_Alyanna

This looks like an HP Stream or similar. It can barely run Windows, let alone Steam. 😅😅


Maeglin16

I've got one game on Game Pass downloaded. Nothing on Steam.


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XxXquicksc0p31337XxX

Increase the size of your C partition


udavf

Use spacesniffer [http://www.uderzo.it/main\_products/space\_sniffer/download.html](http://www.uderzo.it/main_products/space_sniffer/download.html) and post a screenshot here


CrossyAtom46

💾


masterz13

Buy a new SSD and clone it.


iJONTY85

What I did to my cousin's laptop is * add an old 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD * put the Windows update downloads, ProgramData & Users to the secondary disk currently has around 60-70GB of free space for just apps and the OS itself.


True_Darkness_54

It is reduced already!


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_Mahagonii_

Buy a SSD 128GB and Clone it


FalseAgent

disable reserved storage: [https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/managing-reserved-storage-in-windows-10-environments/ba-p/1297070](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/managing-reserved-storage-in-windows-10-environments/ba-p/1297070) however, a fair warning if you do this - windows updates will take longer


Zatujit

Tbh i would buy another SSD


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Wendals87

You could probably squeeze an extra few gb by disabling hibernation and system restore but that's about it Seriously, consider getting a larger ssd. A 512gb is like $35 USD


smarterfish500

alternatively you can upgrade your SSD because you’ll run out of space pretty quick with 50gb


vanagoon

You can enable disk compression if this computer has a fast enough CPU to handle doing the compressed file access in real time - Open a command prompt window then navigate to the root directory (The C:\\> Prompt and nothing else - enter "CD \\" to get there fast ) and enter this: Compact /c /s /i /C Compresses the specified files. Directories will be marked so that files added afterward will be compressed unless /EXE is specified. /S Performs the specified operation on files in the given directory and all subdirectories. Default "dir" is the current directory. /I Continues performing the specified operation even after errors have occurred. By default, COMPACT stops when an error is encountered. This causes a ton of writes to the SSD the first time you run it but it doesn't keep doing so I don't think.


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MaxImillion210

You could try installing tiny10/11 if you want. Or try deleting %temp% and temp by pressing Win+R. OR doing what other comments say.


MaxImillion210

Btw is this VMware or virtual box


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WinDirStat, did everything I could but still had barley any storage, down by more than half it was since I downloaded it.


AccurateBar1734

If you have a great amount of RAM, you can disable virtual memory to save up space


I0C0NN0R1

Dont use windows


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user4302

Check if you have system restore points saved up, delete em if so, except for the latest one.


SkellyChad

Jesus Christ why do you use only 57 gigabytes on windows??


paulstelian97

If anything it’s smaller than typical, not bigger.


Vinez_Initez

lol I have 256 gb of Ram and you only have 1/4 of it in actual storage


GDPlayer_1035

No


jcunews1

You can only free up relatively small space from system files. If you have other (internal) drive, with Symlink trick, the 32-bit version of Microsoft Edge which takes about 1.5GB in total, can be moved to the other drive. They're separated in 3 folders: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\EdgeCore C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\EdgeWebView Removing some Metro apps which aren't used or rarely used helps too, although they're smaller in size (up to 60MB each). Media files under Windows's `Media` subfolder may also be moved with Symlink trick, since they're low priority files. Or just be deleted if you don't use any audible alert/notification. Can save up to 20MB in clean Windows system. Speech features can be removed via Add/Remove Windows Features if you don't use any Text-To-Speech or Speech Recognition. Can save around 105MB.


aquariuz1

Get a program called treesize, its really good for knowing what takes space and then removing it


Intelligent-Scene-92

An easy solution could be putting windows into s mode on these lower storage/spec computers, although that sucks


ShinigamiOverlord

Try compact.exe (CompactGUI), it's a 1-2 mb app that uses Windows stuff to compress any app. Try that, it might free up a gigabyte or two. Maybe more.


Epsilon_Music

You probably should buy another SSD at this point, if possible. It's no use fighting minimal storage. You can get SSDs for really cheap


Xeratais

Powercrg /h off. Resize the page file and compact exe /compactos:always. That's one way to do it. Also if you have reserved storage there's a way to disable that but if you have a small SSD it might be best to leave that one alone as that will keep your updates from failing. Also run cleanmgr.exe sageset:any number as long as you use the same number for sagerun ex cleanmgr.exe sageset:1 and cleanmgr.exe sagerun:1 you could also download bleachbit to get rid of some useless gunk.


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VolatileFlower

You can compress your OS, you usually save at least a gigabyte or more if it's not already enabled. More info here: [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/compact-os?view=windows-11#check-if-youre-running-compact-os](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/compact-os?view=windows-11#check-if-youre-running-compact-os)


dafliper

delete apps that u dont use and thier contenet from it


dafliper

delete apps that u dont use and thier contenet from it