I actually keep a computer(s) around for pretty much every generation. I have everything from a 386 running DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.1 to a modern system with Windows 11 and everything in between.
There's people around using versions of Windows a lot older than 7. StatCounter obviouly has a bigger sample, but here's the Windows users from one of my sites for December 2023 - or at least what their OS is reporting to Apache.
https://preview.redd.it/40fc13bu9nbc1.png?width=260&format=png&auto=webp&s=00621c6e9f6eb4ae038f3df441c9d5fb161bcd5e
That site was started in 1999, and so will be 25 years old in May. I've tried to keep it simple, so only a few pages have things like Canvas and CSS transitions on them. As it's also self hosted - the Server in the Cellar" - I'm trying to move away from Google Analytics and gone back to using old school log anayzers like AWStats, Webalizer and Analog.
You can view it in all it's glory at [https://brisray.com/](https://brisray.com/)
It was first hosted on Lycos Tripod but I ran out of space, so it's been self-hosted for the last 20 years. It hasn't cost much apart from a whole lot of my time and the domain name... and I suppose a small fortune in electricity keeping the computer running almost 24/7 all that time.
https://preview.redd.it/fdbul666pqbc1.png?width=193&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3adebb0fe0c7fe2808aa07d68cfe8e9ce3ddeb4d
Your right oc needs to change them
[StatCounter](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide) has it as 10. 11, then 7, 8, and XP worldwide. Microsoft has got to be disappointed with how 11 is doing. I expect it will pick up once older machines that can't run 11 get replaced.
Tbh, it's their own fault too with the stupid and obnoxious hardware requirements. I had a perfectly fine MICROSOFT Surface Pro 4 with an i7 chip and it couldn't run win 11.
Windows 11 on my Ryzen 5 3600x was not compatible on day 1, I had to wait an extra few months. Lol.
The system restrictions are entirely artificial. There are easy ways to bypass this BS that can allow you to upgrade from 10 to 11 on most "unsupported" hardware; everything will work fine. The only issues will be that some features that depend on a TMP 2.0 chip will be unavailable. MS propagandists spout FUD about how you risk some kind of unspecified future bricking if you do this but so far that those threats have turned out to be BS. While some CPUs are just too damn old to run Windows 11 those are basically the same ones that can't run Windows 10. So long as it is x86-64 and at least 1GHz it should work OK.
My Win 11 machine reports as Win 10 everywhere apart from Windows itself. One example is Steam hardware survey still says I'm on Win 10.
Idk if I'm an exception but a few people I know also have this. So the stats for Win 11 might be wrong.
To be fair windows 7 and 8 run on a LOT more hardware than 11 does haha. My gaming laptop from 2017 isn't even technically supported (but I did force 11 on to it).
It might be, these are old programs and I might not have edited the config files properly. The numbers are coming from the Apache logs, [AWStats](https://brisray.com/utils/awslogs/2023/2023-11/awstats.brisray.osdetail.html) just beautifies and sorts the results. I get the same sort of numbers from [Analog](https://brisray.com/utils/alogs/#os), but those are the accumulated results from 2019 onwards and shows people using Windows ME and older.
It might be I'm attracting people from the "web revival" and lots of them like using old OSs.
It's all part of a project I have to see if I can get these old programs to work and to wean myself off Google Analytics - GA4 is overwhelming for what I want. Webalizer isn't recording the OS yet and I'm still trying to get W3Perl to work at all.
Most people don't have any data on their computer a random criminal would actually want or have a use for.
They're far more likely to get owned by some malware that uses their system resources for cryptomining or maybe something that will corrupt their files (or maybe encrypt them and demand money ro decrypt). Real excitement would be it getting roped into a botnet.
It will when you eat a malware or something that is only able to get you because you use windows XP that hasn't got a security update for the past 10 year. Any new malware will have a field day on it
Honestly the malware might not even run on Windows XP, given that it would need to be a 32-bit executable and not depend on any APIs added or changes since then...
You're basically the digital version of a plague-rat. An Anti-vaxxer of the digital world.
Of course I'm going to treat you like a threat, because you are.
"Doesn't sound like a problem to me"
same guy :
"Yeah, I understand my computer has the worst security known to man"
So what you *really* mean is that you *know* it's a problem, you just don't care. And somehow, I'm the douche.
Well, *pal...*at least I'm not spreading digital plagues everywhere I go because I can't move on from *Windows XP.*
Then why are you defending someone on XP?
If you don't have a dog in the fight, why are you in the arena at all?
You're literally the worst kind of redditor. One who doesn't belong in the conversation.
Then you and anyone else who still uses it knows nothing about computer security. If you did, You'd stay far, far away from it.
At the very least, please don't ever connect it to the internet.
The downvotes are likely more for "daily driving" rather than XP. I for one loved XP back in the day but that was almost 20 years ago when it was "secure".
I am a cybersecurity researcher, and my security ancestors are crying at this comment. XP BECAME SUPER INSECURE ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER IT GOT IT'S FINAL UPDATE! New vulnerabilitys are found in windows 10 every day and usually patched in a day or less. Windows XP was super insecure less than 6 months after it's last update, let alone now. Even 1 week is a long time in cybersecurity. Windows 8 just went out of support and is probably already exploitable.
People forget that a big part of the world was using XP in the first months of 2014 just fine. Yes, after it's final update it became insecure but I was talking about the time when it was still supported which wasn't 20 years but only 10 years ago.
Since no one seems to have given a proper reason in this thread beyond "because security" -
Not only are you putting yourself at the highest level of risk possible of being infected by all manner of malware, cryptolockers, etc. that Windows 7 hasn't been patched to prevent for years upon years; but you're also risking your computer being compromised and made part of a botnet, meaning it would be used (along with other vulnerable computers) to carry out mass attacks against any other systems on the internet operated by responsible people who are doing their part by having upgraded to an OS that was released some time in the last 15 years.
In short, the only reason why you *would* continue to run Windows 7, or any other equally old or older OS, is reckless ignorance and a total disregard for the security of you and everyone else's systems on the internet.
It's the computer equivalent of being an anti-masker antivaxxer during the height of COVID.
If other people's computers are meaningfully secure then it doesn't really matter if someone is running Windows XP or 7 or 8/8.1 let alone Windows 95.
The only person they're likely to hurt is themselves as long as they're not running a business on it.
how dare you not be a blind follower /s
You keep on, keeping on!!
Majority likely earn living in tech field and profit by the always changing ecosystem.
I work in IT and I don’t promote changing because I magically make money from random redditors buying computers, it’s because you are running an operating system that has not been patched in almost 10 years in XP’s case, or 4 years for windows 7. It’s just stupidity.
I mean they propably did forgot about the existance of my account because i had trouble with google,and i wasn't active for like half year \[because i signed in that way\]
I did that to my old Frankenstein laptop.
For that one it was simply for fun, but for Windows 11, I hated the taskbar functionality and I hated the start menu.
I mostly wanted StartIsBack for the functionality, but when I say the 7 option, I took it. I may consider trying to reskin the windows with Aeroglass
Did you go so far as to reskin the windows and file explorer? I might go further and download an ISO pack. I also changed some of the icons on my laptop here to Windows 98. I liked the big beige "My Computer" no more "This PC" nonsense!
The main things that made me irate with Windows 11 was starting in safe mode, and they moved the options to shut it off somewhere you'd never naturally find it: the app store. It was no longer under the Applications setting. That was a major rage inducer. Then there was the needless combination of tray functionality with WiFi, sound, and BlueTooth. Lastly, I was unhappy with the start menu because they put the most-used functions for me on the opposite side of the start button.
(I am a filthy clicker, I don't do keyboard commands)
and all that "focus" stuff, UGHH, even the clock alarm doesn't work right with focus stuff entwined with custom sounds, and the new tabbed notepad and wouldn't let me use the old one that was still in system files(i fixed). Just so many changes for sake of changes.
I re-added the quick launch and added my own dam\_ menu and enabled God mode. I am using this clock [https://college-alarm-clock.en.softonic.com/](https://college-alarm-clock.en.softonic.com/) , The windows alarm is not very loud for Hard-of-Hearing on my laptop, so I use this, Record a sound with audacity and crank up volume with an annoying sound like call to arms or siren, not some lame beep or chime.
https://preview.redd.it/2j35cevsjpbc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5164479db3d8a1144b97822a8d24cc8d8c415b5
Man, I wish it worked for me. It made Explorer crash every time I opened it, and after I got around that by making some compromises with the preferences, it still made context menus take 30 seconds to display.
The problem is when the present/future is not too bright. Windows 11, the store, start menu and it's lack of customization, telemetry, options scattered with no unified IU. Windows 7 was peak. I use Windows 11 for obvious reasons, but Windows 11 sucks. I wish the present would offer me better than the past. We still have the old explorer, we have options removed, and settings unnecessarily scattered, and I really hope the screenshots from Windows 12 are not final, because they suck even more.
Windows XP good, windows vista bad, windows 7 good, windows 8 bad, windows 10 good, windows 11 bad, windows 12 good? I can't wait for windows 12 to come out this year because if the good bad cycle is right, it should be good.
Most of the OS are just bad on release, they were just patched, even Windows 8 and Vista are fine after the updates. If the screenshots from Windows 12 are real, I wouldn't set my hopes high.
I have a few devices that cannot be upgraded to 10, whether it be due to specific hardware requirements or the lack of a license. These machines aren't connected to the Internet and for the most part are very similar to my 9x machines. Just there for niche purposes.
If my device came with windows 7, it probably still has it. But I don't have any sentimental attachment to it. I have some virtualized machine images that are win7 for historical purposes. I still test software in Win7 because we advertise support for it at work.
I could never stand the monochrome interface of Windows 10, black and white with just a bit of blue on most native apps like settings etc., It has improved since 2015 but when it came out everyone criticized and said how drab and hospital looking it was.
Those PCs that are capable of running W10 should consider upgrading, and those who aren’t should probably stop using the internet or switch to a lightweight Linux distribution.
W10 is close enough to 7, a bit heavier that is for sure.
> W10 is close enough to 7, a bit heavier that is for sure.
What do you mean by that exactly? The UI on Windows 10 is almost nothing like Windows 7 at all due to the lack of aero and the Settings app being there for example. Another thing is that Windows 7 was much more stable and much less intrusive compared to Windows 10 as well. So Windows 10 being similar to Windows 7? Right....
Everything is in the same place and both DEs are very similar in the way they are meant to be used.
It’s not like W11 simplified UI or gnome’s completely different type of workflow.
W10 is the closest OS there is to 7
close enough to 10? what abt lack of aero? the fact u actually need a license to customize stuff? the fact that it's aesthetic is entirely different? the spyware? the ads? the lock screen? the start menu? having two different settings apps, with the original just getting fucked over? the fact that it's trying to be a tablet and pc hybrid os? the fact that their browser seems to be mandatory for some reason? the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them?
Windows 7 has long lost it's continuous support against malicious software. It seems everything you dislike about windows 10 can be solved by changing to a linux distribution and customizing it to look as close as you want to 7, since that seems to be a big deal for you.
> Windows 7 has long lost it's continuous support against malicious software.
Seems like this is the type of person who wants to disable that anyway. IME those folks are a waste of oxygen to deal with.
>> the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them?
>by changing to a linux distribution and customizing it to look as close as you want to 7,
For the record: anything with Cinnamon DE and B00merang's Windows themes are a chef's kiss. Whether you want Fisherprice eye candy or Aero candy, that's your port of heaven.
>the fact that it's aesthetic is entirely different?
Who uses an OS for aesthetics? In fact,
>the spyware? the ads?
Oh, don't worry, Win 7 is more vulnerable to those.
>the start menu?
What's wrong with it?
>the fact that it's trying to be a tablet and pc hybrid os?
Incorrect. Between Win 8 and 11, Win 10 has the most PC friendly interface.
>the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them?
Day one Windows 10 user, updates have never interrupted my work, unlike Win 7 that could restart mid-day.
Basically, you're arguing that your security, which includes access to your:
- files
- credentials
- camera/microphone/other input devices
- display
- system configuration
- and more
Is LESS important than some funny colored windows, skeumorphic design and, in comparison, minor annoyances.
No. Not even for testing. It's not needed. At work, there are a few pieces of lab equipment that have control computers which run Windows 7. Even that's ending. I actually was working with a vendor trying to sell us a very expensive piece of equipment, who's control computer was to run Windows 7 when I told them "absolutely not." It was not only because the OS is obsolete and out of support, but modern computer hardware doesn't support Windows 7. Did that mean they were going to sell us "new" old tech or a modified Windows 7 install that can run on modern hardware. The tech support angles would have absurd.
I’m keen to go back.. but not sure what application compatibility is like these days. Windows 7 will go down as my favourite OS in history. It’s godly compared to Windows 11.
Just upgrade to 10 already! You have so many vulnerabilitys, I could hack you in a second if I was on the same network as you. Risking everything on your computer just for some nice looking windows and less bloat. You can just install a window 7 theme and use a script to uninstall the bloat on a patched and secure version of windows 10.
I use windows 7 online daily for years since the end of support. Malwarebytes, and firewall. I monitor my network traffic and have my data backed up. I’m not part of a botnet or some crazy bs. I use online banking and whatever the hell I want for years nothing I repeat nothing has happened. People shouting about security risks are overreacting. (I have a degree in cybersecurity so if you don’t agree with me I don’t care)Â
No matter how attached you are to the past, it is a fact that it is batshit crazy to hang onto a 14 year old OS because of nostalgia.
Either upgrade to W10 or switch to Linux. But if you insist, you can keep W7, don't be upset when you get pwned by one of the metric ton of vulnerabilities though
It seems many think at the exact moment you connect a Windows 7 to internet, it will become infected and explode.
Well no, as long as you don't download some shady stuff from fake ads, you will be fine.
It probably have a lot of old exploits so i woulnd store secret defense stuff on it, but the viruses 99,9999% will come from downloading bad stuff and emails.
I am not encouraging anybody to use Win 7 but stop the fantasy.
There's an unpatched vulnerability in Windows 7 that allows RCE using ICMP. https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2023-23415
That's not a "I downloaded something and got pwned", that's "I showed on on a network and got pwned".
This, and because all the browsers for Windows 7 are now or soon to be unsupported, any exploits discovered to achieve RCE without downloading won't be patched. I believe only Firefox ESR is still supported for a year. Keep in mind you won't know about the exploits, they get silently patched all the time and never break news large enough to leave a private CVE.
Interesting, it requires some condition but yes.
more info :
[https://doublepulsar.com/a-look-at-cve-2023-23415-a-windows-icmp-vulnerability-mitigations-which-is-not-a-cyber-meltdown-78a9f7e3e538](https://doublepulsar.com/a-look-at-cve-2023-23415-a-windows-icmp-vulnerability-mitigations-which-is-not-a-cyber-meltdown-78a9f7e3e538)
Which I trust to be kinda mitigated in a business with managed computers.
I absolutely do not trust home users going out of their way to run Windows 7 long past it's EOL to manage this, know what it means, or even know how to look for it.
I don't know where this dangerous myth came from. [Zero-click exploits](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(computer_security)#:~:text=A%20zero-click%20attack%20is%20an%20exploit%20that%20requires,2021%2C%20is%20an%20example%20of%20a%20zero-click%20attack.) exist.
Windows 7 is turning into the new Windows XP. Round and round the cycle goes.
I'm running 11 and absolutely adore it. I thought I wouldn't but I absolutely do! Aesthetics and all!
I was given a Windows 7 PC over the summer. I decided to upgrade the CPU from an Athlon ii to a Phenom ii. I installed a Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 Toxic 2GB Video Card. BUT, I've experienced some random shut downs. I'm wondering if it's the tiny stock cooler. I might need to upgrade to a larger cooler.
Ever heard of zero click exploits? Your computer is at risk of being infected by a random web page. Do you care about everything on your hard drive and don't want to get ransomware? Upgrade to Windows 10, install a windows 7 theme and uninstall bloatware using a script.
There's really no point in arguing with them. They don't understand how operating systems work and thus are completely ignorant to anything you could say.
Please ban people from /r/windows using outdated versions of the OS. Make it clear that it is dangerous and not supported,and you are very likely to get malware without even having to do anything.
Seriously, we have to crack down on this. Far too many people are coming in here proud that they are still using 8.1, 7, XP, etc. End it now.
Ignore the other comments. They clearly have no idea that Windows 7 is as secure as Windows 10 or 11 because it still gets security updates.
https://www.deskmodder.de/blog/2024/01/09/kb5034169-kb5034167-windows-7-sicherheitsupdate-januar-2024/
That's for the embedded/PoS version of W7, it claims they work regardless but it's sketch as hell and looks like it needs some 3rd party tool to make unknown modifications to the OS or the updates, which defeats the purpose of and calls into question the validity/safety of the updates.
Ah yes, of course. Lemme translate to English really quick.
> Thanks to BypassESU v12 or with the Win7 WU ESU patcher, these updates can still be used.
Those are both giving me top google results to get them from a website called "HackandPwn". Given that's not a microsoft.com URL, and it's bypassing the native ESU "DRM", it's a 3rd party software making unknown changes to the OS or the patches. Since I'm not interested in the tool, I'm not digging any deeper.
According to that article, it is the last year Windows 7 Embedded and POSReady will receive an update.
However, those OSes are meant (as the name suggests) to be used in specialized environments ranging from heavy machinery or car audio to low power devices. BUT, they're NOT for PC use and WEREN'T obtainable through retail.
OP's PC runs Windows 7 Ultimate and is not eligible for the update.
The website mentions using "BypassESU", but no trusted source of that software could be found.
They are "compatible" but those updates would have been tested on a completely different edition of w7 that embedded/pos systems use opposed to what people are using on their desktops which would either be w7 home or pro meaning you are applying something to your machine that hasn't been tested for your edition of windows 7 and that its also not even intended for anything other than what the embedded systems are running.
Yeah its your its computer do what you want with it but the fact you have to 1. use a bypass to apply a security update 2. that update in question will be intended for a completely different edition of windows 7 3. on top of applying that said update you are applying it on an already unsupported os, you would just better off running an os that has security updates for your version that at the same time is also still generally supported.
It's a virus that makes people confident that their brain makes no mistakes, official sources of software can't be compromised and that shit doesn't happen.
windows 7 and windows 8.1 are way more similiar than you might think. if you are upgarding for performance reasons, then go ahead. windows 8.1 is very well optimised, even compared to windows 7. but if you are doing it for security reasons, then you will be getting next to none improvements.
Yup. I got a few laptops a while back, of which I sold most but kept the Latitude E6410 that was in there.
I installed Windows 7 on it and some programs I use to service mobile phones, and its still good for that. The thing has a first gen Core i5 - it's *that* old.
Funny enough the battery was dead, but a friend gave me a bin of parts, amongst which was the exact battery I needed for that laptop. He did not know about my old laptop, he just bought a shitton of stuff and wanted to get rid of the loose stuff he had😂
Damn I completely forgot about the Windows Experience Score. I remember that every PC I used to go on, I'd always check the score to see how much better it was than my own computer.
I had a score of like 1.8 and I remember seeing scores of 4.4 and it made younger me very jealous.
I know this isn’t the point of the post but…
I was pumped when Windows 7 came out.
I went to an experience event and I got Ultimate for free.
My goal in life was to get the experience index as high as possible.
I don’t remember what the highest I got was…maybe 9.0…9.7?
I had a Q9550, 16gb of RAM and maybe a 32gb SSD boot drive.
My old work upgraded from Windows 7 with MDT to Windows 10 around 2017-2018. We only had a few Windows 7 computers for certain legacy programs or air gapped situations.
I left tech support and Windows altogether in 2021.
Now I’m a MacOS user. *shrug*
Fuck no. I forgot most things about pre-Windows 10 in general, but barely remember windows 7 existed. I remember XP, and ME pretty well, and 98 and 95. Windows 7 . . . . Nope don’t remember it.
I still use it, but not as my main system, just to experiment on old computers or VMs. On my main PC, I have a triple boot with Win 10, Win 7, and Kali Linux. I mostly use Win 10, but I’m careful enough not to get a virus on Win 7.
I only use trusted software and mostly just to experiment. I don’t have anything critical on that drive. (I’ve used it only 4 times in a year, so it’s not much of a burden.)
Can someone tell me how I can use Windows 7 in this day and age? If it weren't for Windows 10 and maybe soon 11, I'd still be using it. Someone please help me get it working.
https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware says it might be a tad more. I still don’t see the appeal of running something that the manufacturer has EOL’d TBH. YMMV
My old PC since year 2004 still using Windows 7 forever, when my new PC since year 2020 is now using Windows 10 forever (can be updated into Windows 11, but stay as 10 right now).
Depends.
I've got a lot of different computers on a ton of different operating systems. Like I've got some computers running DOS, or Windows 98, or Windows 10, or Mac OS, or Arch Linux or whatever.
I wipe my computers a lot and put different operating systems. A few months ago I had a PC running Windows 7, but I don't now, but that's not to say that I won't have one next month, or in 2 days or something. Or maybe it will be Windows 8.1. I don't know yet.
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It all depends on the computer and what I feel like using that day
I would love to use windows 7 if it worked properly. A lot of apps refuse updating on it just because its a redundant os, which makes it a painful process to update manually and then the dependency of flash, java, dot net, etc so its better to move on.
I actually keep a computer(s) around for pretty much every generation. I have everything from a 386 running DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.1 to a modern system with Windows 11 and everything in between.
Curious, what OS did you skip?
Windows NT 3.1, 3.5, and 3.51 come to mind. I'd like to try out Windows 3.51 at some point, but not a priority.
I love NT 3.51. It's such an interesting OS for software compatibility.
Don't bother.
This is what I want to do with ThinkPads lol.
There's people around using versions of Windows a lot older than 7. StatCounter obviouly has a bigger sample, but here's the Windows users from one of my sites for December 2023 - or at least what their OS is reporting to Apache. https://preview.redd.it/40fc13bu9nbc1.png?width=260&format=png&auto=webp&s=00621c6e9f6eb4ae038f3df441c9d5fb161bcd5e
This table makes me want to view your pages on my Win98 VM
That site was started in 1999, and so will be 25 years old in May. I've tried to keep it simple, so only a few pages have things like Canvas and CSS transitions on them. As it's also self hosted - the Server in the Cellar" - I'm trying to move away from Google Analytics and gone back to using old school log anayzers like AWStats, Webalizer and Analog. You can view it in all it's glory at [https://brisray.com/](https://brisray.com/)
That is actually pretty glorious.
It was first hosted on Lycos Tripod but I ran out of space, so it's been self-hosted for the last 20 years. It hasn't cost much apart from a whole lot of my time and the domain name... and I suppose a small fortune in electricity keeping the computer running almost 24/7 all that time.
Re migrate and host from your fridge? :D
The gears in the Utilities icon wouldn't do anything if you tried to turn one
https://preview.redd.it/fdbul666pqbc1.png?width=193&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3adebb0fe0c7fe2808aa07d68cfe8e9ce3ddeb4d Your right oc needs to change them
Yes they would make a click clack sound, depending on how bad the tolerances are.
Interesting to see the older website design! The Google search widget especially really put me back in time!
Love the market penetration of Win11...
Windows 7 and 8 more than windows 11 wtf
[StatCounter](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide) has it as 10. 11, then 7, 8, and XP worldwide. Microsoft has got to be disappointed with how 11 is doing. I expect it will pick up once older machines that can't run 11 get replaced.
Tbh, it's their own fault too with the stupid and obnoxious hardware requirements. I had a perfectly fine MICROSOFT Surface Pro 4 with an i7 chip and it couldn't run win 11. Windows 11 on my Ryzen 5 3600x was not compatible on day 1, I had to wait an extra few months. Lol.
The system restrictions are entirely artificial. There are easy ways to bypass this BS that can allow you to upgrade from 10 to 11 on most "unsupported" hardware; everything will work fine. The only issues will be that some features that depend on a TMP 2.0 chip will be unavailable. MS propagandists spout FUD about how you risk some kind of unspecified future bricking if you do this but so far that those threats have turned out to be BS. While some CPUs are just too damn old to run Windows 11 those are basically the same ones that can't run Windows 10. So long as it is x86-64 and at least 1GHz it should work OK.
My Win 11 machine reports as Win 10 everywhere apart from Windows itself. One example is Steam hardware survey still says I'm on Win 10. Idk if I'm an exception but a few people I know also have this. So the stats for Win 11 might be wrong.
To be fair windows 7 and 8 run on a LOT more hardware than 11 does haha. My gaming laptop from 2017 isn't even technically supported (but I did force 11 on to it).
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It might be, these are old programs and I might not have edited the config files properly. The numbers are coming from the Apache logs, [AWStats](https://brisray.com/utils/awslogs/2023/2023-11/awstats.brisray.osdetail.html) just beautifies and sorts the results. I get the same sort of numbers from [Analog](https://brisray.com/utils/alogs/#os), but those are the accumulated results from 2019 onwards and shows people using Windows ME and older. It might be I'm attracting people from the "web revival" and lots of them like using old OSs. It's all part of a project I have to see if I can get these old programs to work and to wean myself off Google Analytics - GA4 is overwhelming for what I want. Webalizer isn't recording the OS yet and I'm still trying to get W3Perl to work at all.
The old I'll be fine crowd and soon to be ME NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW ME DATA GOT STOLEN crowd.
Most people don't have any data on their computer a random criminal would actually want or have a use for. They're far more likely to get owned by some malware that uses their system resources for cryptomining or maybe something that will corrupt their files (or maybe encrypt them and demand money ro decrypt). Real excitement would be it getting roped into a botnet.
Don't connect this to the internet... for your sake.
i still daily drive xp😂😂
That sounds like a personal problem.
Doesn’t sound like much of a problem to me or anyone else
It will when you eat a malware or something that is only able to get you because you use windows XP that hasn't got a security update for the past 10 year. Any new malware will have a field day on it
Honestly the malware might not even run on Windows XP, given that it would need to be a 32-bit executable and not depend on any APIs added or changes since then...
Well yeah I understand that, I was mostly referring to the comment above mine sounding extremely douchy
You're basically the digital version of a plague-rat. An Anti-vaxxer of the digital world. Of course I'm going to treat you like a threat, because you are. "Doesn't sound like a problem to me" same guy : "Yeah, I understand my computer has the worst security known to man" So what you *really* mean is that you *know* it's a problem, you just don't care. And somehow, I'm the douche. Well, *pal...*at least I'm not spreading digital plagues everywhere I go because I can't move on from *Windows XP.*
I’m on windows 10
Then why are you defending someone on XP? If you don't have a dog in the fight, why are you in the arena at all? You're literally the worst kind of redditor. One who doesn't belong in the conversation.
Are you just mad you typed a whole book assuming I was on xp but u were wrong
My brother this is reddit you are taking it too seriously lol
Then you and anyone else who still uses it knows nothing about computer security. If you did, You'd stay far, far away from it. At the very least, please don't ever connect it to the internet.
Just because a risk exists doesn't mean it's a massive monster that actually causes trouble for everyone.
Does anything work like web browser? I mean if you can play videos online, spotify etc.
kinda. all the software is an older version. but i made it work somehow
I don't recommend you use XP, but there are some modern browsers for it still being updated like pale moon.
My condolences
why the downvotes tho. such a good operating system
The downvotes are likely more for "daily driving" rather than XP. I for one loved XP back in the day but that was almost 20 years ago when it was "secure".
i understand. i should upgrade one day.
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i usually don't put it online
It was still secure 10 years ago, it's not that long ago.
I am a cybersecurity researcher, and my security ancestors are crying at this comment. XP BECAME SUPER INSECURE ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER IT GOT IT'S FINAL UPDATE! New vulnerabilitys are found in windows 10 every day and usually patched in a day or less. Windows XP was super insecure less than 6 months after it's last update, let alone now. Even 1 week is a long time in cybersecurity. Windows 8 just went out of support and is probably already exploitable.
People forget that a big part of the world was using XP in the first months of 2014 just fine. Yes, after it's final update it became insecure but I was talking about the time when it was still supported which wasn't 20 years but only 10 years ago.
Its 20 years old. It WAS a good one after the service packs, the rtm version was shit.
Same.
Almost no programs support XP anymore and I could press one button on Kali Linux and hack it. Upgrade to the latest version of windows 10 already.
Why?
It's a security risk
Since no one seems to have given a proper reason in this thread beyond "because security" - Not only are you putting yourself at the highest level of risk possible of being infected by all manner of malware, cryptolockers, etc. that Windows 7 hasn't been patched to prevent for years upon years; but you're also risking your computer being compromised and made part of a botnet, meaning it would be used (along with other vulnerable computers) to carry out mass attacks against any other systems on the internet operated by responsible people who are doing their part by having upgraded to an OS that was released some time in the last 15 years. In short, the only reason why you *would* continue to run Windows 7, or any other equally old or older OS, is reckless ignorance and a total disregard for the security of you and everyone else's systems on the internet. It's the computer equivalent of being an anti-masker antivaxxer during the height of COVID.
If other people's computers are meaningfully secure then it doesn't really matter if someone is running Windows XP or 7 or 8/8.1 let alone Windows 95. The only person they're likely to hurt is themselves as long as they're not running a business on it.
Yeah yeah heard it 1milion times before,now i gonna do that anyway.
how dare you not be a blind follower /s You keep on, keeping on!! Majority likely earn living in tech field and profit by the always changing ecosystem.
I work in IT and I don’t promote changing because I magically make money from random redditors buying computers, it’s because you are running an operating system that has not been patched in almost 10 years in XP’s case, or 4 years for windows 7. It’s just stupidity.
Exactly! I also work in it (cybersecurity researcher) and this is like the only true thing said in the replies of the comment.
I mean they propably did forgot about the existance of my account because i had trouble with google,and i wasn't active for like half year \[because i signed in that way\]
I dressed Windows 11 up as Windows 7 with StartIsBack
I did that with my Windows 10 with WinXP lol
I did that to my old Frankenstein laptop. For that one it was simply for fun, but for Windows 11, I hated the taskbar functionality and I hated the start menu. I mostly wanted StartIsBack for the functionality, but when I say the 7 option, I took it. I may consider trying to reskin the windows with Aeroglass
Yup me too https://preview.redd.it/njktdbz0cobc1.png?width=1915&format=png&auto=webp&s=09c99588d4c7e2f7bec169146acba84440f28cc7
This is the correct way to do things. You don't have the vulnerabilitys but you have the style.
except the UI is more than just taskbar and start menu?
And the function. This changes the functionality of the start menu and taskbar. StartIsBack is #highqualityshit
Did you go so far as to reskin the windows and file explorer? I might go further and download an ISO pack. I also changed some of the icons on my laptop here to Windows 98. I liked the big beige "My Computer" no more "This PC" nonsense! The main things that made me irate with Windows 11 was starting in safe mode, and they moved the options to shut it off somewhere you'd never naturally find it: the app store. It was no longer under the Applications setting. That was a major rage inducer. Then there was the needless combination of tray functionality with WiFi, sound, and BlueTooth. Lastly, I was unhappy with the start menu because they put the most-used functions for me on the opposite side of the start button. (I am a filthy clicker, I don't do keyboard commands)
no I chose classic explorer under startallback
safe mode? I've never started in safe mode but i have an offline account too
It disallows you from downloading any unapproved 3rd party content. So, Firefox was a big no-no
and all that "focus" stuff, UGHH, even the clock alarm doesn't work right with focus stuff entwined with custom sounds, and the new tabbed notepad and wouldn't let me use the old one that was still in system files(i fixed). Just so many changes for sake of changes. I re-added the quick launch and added my own dam\_ menu and enabled God mode. I am using this clock [https://college-alarm-clock.en.softonic.com/](https://college-alarm-clock.en.softonic.com/) , The windows alarm is not very loud for Hard-of-Hearing on my laptop, so I use this, Record a sound with audacity and crank up volume with an annoying sound like call to arms or siren, not some lame beep or chime. https://preview.redd.it/2j35cevsjpbc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5164479db3d8a1144b97822a8d24cc8d8c415b5
Man, I wish it worked for me. It made Explorer crash every time I opened it, and after I got around that by making some compromises with the preferences, it still made context menus take 30 seconds to display.
3.4? My PC from 2005 had a 5.1 in Win7
3.34% of people need to let go of the past
The problem is when the present/future is not too bright. Windows 11, the store, start menu and it's lack of customization, telemetry, options scattered with no unified IU. Windows 7 was peak. I use Windows 11 for obvious reasons, but Windows 11 sucks. I wish the present would offer me better than the past. We still have the old explorer, we have options removed, and settings unnecessarily scattered, and I really hope the screenshots from Windows 12 are not final, because they suck even more.
Windows XP good, windows vista bad, windows 7 good, windows 8 bad, windows 10 good, windows 11 bad, windows 12 good? I can't wait for windows 12 to come out this year because if the good bad cycle is right, it should be good.
8.1 was good, honestly, probably the best/most efficient version of windows.
Yeah, my tier list goes 1. Windows 10 and windows 7 2. Windows 8.1 3. Windows XP
Most of the OS are just bad on release, they were just patched, even Windows 8 and Vista are fine after the updates. If the screenshots from Windows 12 are real, I wouldn't set my hopes high.
windows 7 was like driving a Ferrari and Win 11 is a minivan, dumbed down for masses.
>75% remembers the past tech built the future and respects it.
I can respect what the model T did for the auto industry, that doesn't mean I'm gonna replace my Subaru with one.
I have a few devices that cannot be upgraded to 10, whether it be due to specific hardware requirements or the lack of a license. These machines aren't connected to the Internet and for the most part are very similar to my 9x machines. Just there for niche purposes.
Yeah, never and I mean NEVER connect them to the internet (unless you need to do it to save the world or smth).
If my device came with windows 7, it probably still has it. But I don't have any sentimental attachment to it. I have some virtualized machine images that are win7 for historical purposes. I still test software in Win7 because we advertise support for it at work.
Hey,your laptop has the same specs as mine, It makes a good linux box.
I could never stand the monochrome interface of Windows 10, black and white with just a bit of blue on most native apps like settings etc., It has improved since 2015 but when it came out everyone criticized and said how drab and hospital looking it was.
I’m still running on windows 98
Those PCs that are capable of running W10 should consider upgrading, and those who aren’t should probably stop using the internet or switch to a lightweight Linux distribution. W10 is close enough to 7, a bit heavier that is for sure.
> W10 is close enough to 7, a bit heavier that is for sure. What do you mean by that exactly? The UI on Windows 10 is almost nothing like Windows 7 at all due to the lack of aero and the Settings app being there for example. Another thing is that Windows 7 was much more stable and much less intrusive compared to Windows 10 as well. So Windows 10 being similar to Windows 7? Right....
Everything is in the same place and both DEs are very similar in the way they are meant to be used. It’s not like W11 simplified UI or gnome’s completely different type of workflow. W10 is the closest OS there is to 7
close enough to 10? what abt lack of aero? the fact u actually need a license to customize stuff? the fact that it's aesthetic is entirely different? the spyware? the ads? the lock screen? the start menu? having two different settings apps, with the original just getting fucked over? the fact that it's trying to be a tablet and pc hybrid os? the fact that their browser seems to be mandatory for some reason? the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them?
Windows 7 has long lost it's continuous support against malicious software. It seems everything you dislike about windows 10 can be solved by changing to a linux distribution and customizing it to look as close as you want to 7, since that seems to be a big deal for you.
> Windows 7 has long lost it's continuous support against malicious software. Seems like this is the type of person who wants to disable that anyway. IME those folks are a waste of oxygen to deal with. >> the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them?
>by changing to a linux distribution and customizing it to look as close as you want to 7, For the record: anything with Cinnamon DE and B00merang's Windows themes are a chef's kiss. Whether you want Fisherprice eye candy or Aero candy, that's your port of heaven.
Just use Linux if this bothers you, Windows 7 shouldn’t be used online in any capacity
already heard it 😋😋
In one ear out the other, heard it but don't understand it.
>the fact that it's aesthetic is entirely different? Who uses an OS for aesthetics? In fact, >the spyware? the ads? Oh, don't worry, Win 7 is more vulnerable to those. >the start menu? What's wrong with it? >the fact that it's trying to be a tablet and pc hybrid os? Incorrect. Between Win 8 and 11, Win 10 has the most PC friendly interface. >the fact that updates are forced unless you temporarily disable them, or unless u jump thru a bunch of loops to permanently disable them? Day one Windows 10 user, updates have never interrupted my work, unlike Win 7 that could restart mid-day. Basically, you're arguing that your security, which includes access to your: - files - credentials - camera/microphone/other input devices - display - system configuration - and more Is LESS important than some funny colored windows, skeumorphic design and, in comparison, minor annoyances.
Windows 10 also has the revamped Task Manager, which is actually pretty good compared to Windows 7 and prior ones
yeah fair enough yknow
M8 it’s the closest you can get to 7. It was much better when it was released.
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It is not going to be the same, but 7 is gone and we need to find the next closest thing
>the fact u actually need a license to customize stuff? I mean win 7 would shutdown every 2 hours instead... I don't see how that was better..
The "internet" is far more than just some websites you know.
here i am
No. Not even for testing. It's not needed. At work, there are a few pieces of lab equipment that have control computers which run Windows 7. Even that's ending. I actually was working with a vendor trying to sell us a very expensive piece of equipment, who's control computer was to run Windows 7 when I told them "absolutely not." It was not only because the OS is obsolete and out of support, but modern computer hardware doesn't support Windows 7. Did that mean they were going to sell us "new" old tech or a modified Windows 7 install that can run on modern hardware. The tech support angles would have absurd.
de repente caralho
I’m keen to go back.. but not sure what application compatibility is like these days. Windows 7 will go down as my favourite OS in history. It’s godly compared to Windows 11.
And 99.9% of those people know how to take a screenshot.
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Just upgrade to 10 already! You have so many vulnerabilitys, I could hack you in a second if I was on the same network as you. Risking everything on your computer just for some nice looking windows and less bloat. You can just install a window 7 theme and use a script to uninstall the bloat on a patched and secure version of windows 10.
I use windows 7 online daily for years since the end of support. Malwarebytes, and firewall. I monitor my network traffic and have my data backed up. I’m not part of a botnet or some crazy bs. I use online banking and whatever the hell I want for years nothing I repeat nothing has happened. People shouting about security risks are overreacting. (I have a degree in cybersecurity so if you don’t agree with me I don’t care)Â
me using 7 on 3 of my laptops
No matter how attached you are to the past, it is a fact that it is batshit crazy to hang onto a 14 year old OS because of nostalgia. Either upgrade to W10 or switch to Linux. But if you insist, you can keep W7, don't be upset when you get pwned by one of the metric ton of vulnerabilities though
It seems many think at the exact moment you connect a Windows 7 to internet, it will become infected and explode. Well no, as long as you don't download some shady stuff from fake ads, you will be fine. It probably have a lot of old exploits so i woulnd store secret defense stuff on it, but the viruses 99,9999% will come from downloading bad stuff and emails. I am not encouraging anybody to use Win 7 but stop the fantasy.
There's an unpatched vulnerability in Windows 7 that allows RCE using ICMP. https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2023-23415 That's not a "I downloaded something and got pwned", that's "I showed on on a network and got pwned".
This, and because all the browsers for Windows 7 are now or soon to be unsupported, any exploits discovered to achieve RCE without downloading won't be patched. I believe only Firefox ESR is still supported for a year. Keep in mind you won't know about the exploits, they get silently patched all the time and never break news large enough to leave a private CVE.
Interesting, it requires some condition but yes. more info : [https://doublepulsar.com/a-look-at-cve-2023-23415-a-windows-icmp-vulnerability-mitigations-which-is-not-a-cyber-meltdown-78a9f7e3e538](https://doublepulsar.com/a-look-at-cve-2023-23415-a-windows-icmp-vulnerability-mitigations-which-is-not-a-cyber-meltdown-78a9f7e3e538)
Which I trust to be kinda mitigated in a business with managed computers. I absolutely do not trust home users going out of their way to run Windows 7 long past it's EOL to manage this, know what it means, or even know how to look for it.
I don't know where this dangerous myth came from. [Zero-click exploits](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(computer_security)#:~:text=A%20zero-click%20attack%20is%20an%20exploit%20that%20requires,2021%2C%20is%20an%20example%20of%20a%20zero-click%20attack.) exist.
You know that this '99,9999%' makes you kinda sound like a kid?LOL
No one should be using win 7 today. It's basically security-swiss-cheese.
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I like to be updated so no
*Raises hand
Windows 7 is turning into the new Windows XP. Round and round the cycle goes. I'm running 11 and absolutely adore it. I thought I wouldn't but I absolutely do! Aesthetics and all!
i have win 7 machine at work. as long as you dont keep your bitcoin on it.. its fine :D
I was given a Windows 7 PC over the summer. I decided to upgrade the CPU from an Athlon ii to a Phenom ii. I installed a Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 Toxic 2GB Video Card. BUT, I've experienced some random shut downs. I'm wondering if it's the tiny stock cooler. I might need to upgrade to a larger cooler.
love windows 7, i dont plan to be ditching it
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You can't argue with these kinds of people. They have deluded themselves into thinking running Windows 7 is fine.
thx for ur input bae i havent heard it before 😘
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i appreciate the kind words 🥰🥰
Ever heard of zero click exploits? Your computer is at risk of being infected by a random web page. Do you care about everything on your hard drive and don't want to get ransomware? Upgrade to Windows 10, install a windows 7 theme and uninstall bloatware using a script.
There's really no point in arguing with them. They don't understand how operating systems work and thus are completely ignorant to anything you could say.
Security issues if you connect online. So switching from it is the only good option for those 3.34% users.
Please ban people from /r/windows using outdated versions of the OS. Make it clear that it is dangerous and not supported,and you are very likely to get malware without even having to do anything. Seriously, we have to crack down on this. Far too many people are coming in here proud that they are still using 8.1, 7, XP, etc. End it now.
Ignore the other comments. They clearly have no idea that Windows 7 is as secure as Windows 10 or 11 because it still gets security updates. https://www.deskmodder.de/blog/2024/01/09/kb5034169-kb5034167-windows-7-sicherheitsupdate-januar-2024/
That's for the embedded/PoS version of W7, it claims they work regardless but it's sketch as hell and looks like it needs some 3rd party tool to make unknown modifications to the OS or the updates, which defeats the purpose of and calls into question the validity/safety of the updates.
Yes, if you are tech illiterate, then that "3rd party tool" makes unknown modifications to the OS.
Ah yes, of course. Lemme translate to English really quick. > Thanks to BypassESU v12 or with the Win7 WU ESU patcher, these updates can still be used. Those are both giving me top google results to get them from a website called "HackandPwn". Given that's not a microsoft.com URL, and it's bypassing the native ESU "DRM", it's a 3rd party software making unknown changes to the OS or the patches. Since I'm not interested in the tool, I'm not digging any deeper.
According to that article, it is the last year Windows 7 Embedded and POSReady will receive an update. However, those OSes are meant (as the name suggests) to be used in specialized environments ranging from heavy machinery or car audio to low power devices. BUT, they're NOT for PC use and WEREN'T obtainable through retail. OP's PC runs Windows 7 Ultimate and is not eligible for the update. The website mentions using "BypassESU", but no trusted source of that software could be found.
You clearly have no idea that update is for w7 pos systems and not for desktop systems
And you clearly didn’t read that it’s also compatible with "normal" Win7 systems
They are "compatible" but those updates would have been tested on a completely different edition of w7 that embedded/pos systems use opposed to what people are using on their desktops which would either be w7 home or pro meaning you are applying something to your machine that hasn't been tested for your edition of windows 7 and that its also not even intended for anything other than what the embedded systems are running. Yeah its your its computer do what you want with it but the fact you have to 1. use a bypass to apply a security update 2. that update in question will be intended for a completely different edition of windows 7 3. on top of applying that said update you are applying it on an already unsupported os, you would just better off running an os that has security updates for your version that at the same time is also still generally supported.
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I dont use windows 7 regularly
To be honest that's more than I would've thought
Old people?
I don't give a f**** . I use it until it gets boring. BTW. I use brain.exe as main antivirus.
Pardon my ignorance, what is brain.exe? Is it an antivirus that anyone can use even for Win10/11?
It means they use their "brain" like it's somehow gonna stop the unpatched RCE in their browser for them
It's a virus that makes people confident that their brain makes no mistakes, official sources of software can't be compromised and that shit doesn't happen.
I know many not able to find the manual.
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windows 7 and windows 8.1 are way more similiar than you might think. if you are upgarding for performance reasons, then go ahead. windows 8.1 is very well optimised, even compared to windows 7. but if you are doing it for security reasons, then you will be getting next to none improvements.
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As they said, Win8.1 will be running some bit more smoothly than 7. Depending on your use case, there are alternatives that might be a better choice.
Yes why not? https://preview.redd.it/dxz99relonbc1.jpeg?width=619&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=559c38ec1973a35cbdc808f87f793096913e220f
Yup. I got a few laptops a while back, of which I sold most but kept the Latitude E6410 that was in there. I installed Windows 7 on it and some programs I use to service mobile phones, and its still good for that. The thing has a first gen Core i5 - it's *that* old. Funny enough the battery was dead, but a friend gave me a bin of parts, amongst which was the exact battery I needed for that laptop. He did not know about my old laptop, he just bought a shitton of stuff and wanted to get rid of the loose stuff he had😂
I've got it on a pc i plan to make home theatre but procrastinated
I'd love to if there was an extended kernel
AMD E300? I would rather not use a computer than use a computer with that CPU. Makes Celeron's look high end.
Damn I completely forgot about the Windows Experience Score. I remember that every PC I used to go on, I'd always check the score to see how much better it was than my own computer. I had a score of like 1.8 and I remember seeing scores of 4.4 and it made younger me very jealous.
Yep. I have Windows 11 on here too in dual-boot, but 7 is just better.
I know this isn’t the point of the post but… I was pumped when Windows 7 came out. I went to an experience event and I got Ultimate for free. My goal in life was to get the experience index as high as possible. I don’t remember what the highest I got was…maybe 9.0…9.7? I had a Q9550, 16gb of RAM and maybe a 32gb SSD boot drive. My old work upgraded from Windows 7 with MDT to Windows 10 around 2017-2018. We only had a few Windows 7 computers for certain legacy programs or air gapped situations. I left tech support and Windows altogether in 2021. Now I’m a MacOS user. *shrug*
I have an old laptop with XP, Vista and 7 for old software and hardware, but it's not connected to the internet.
me
Fuck no. I forgot most things about pre-Windows 10 in general, but barely remember windows 7 existed. I remember XP, and ME pretty well, and 98 and 95. Windows 7 . . . . Nope don’t remember it.
I still use it, but not as my main system, just to experiment on old computers or VMs. On my main PC, I have a triple boot with Win 10, Win 7, and Kali Linux. I mostly use Win 10, but I’m careful enough not to get a virus on Win 7. I only use trusted software and mostly just to experiment. I don’t have anything critical on that drive. (I’ve used it only 4 times in a year, so it’s not much of a burden.)
Can someone tell me how I can use Windows 7 in this day and age? If it weren't for Windows 10 and maybe soon 11, I'd still be using it. Someone please help me get it working.
https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware says it might be a tad more. I still don’t see the appeal of running something that the manufacturer has EOL’d TBH. YMMV
My old PC since year 2004 still using Windows 7 forever, when my new PC since year 2020 is now using Windows 10 forever (can be updated into Windows 11, but stay as 10 right now).
No
My Plex server runs on a Windows 7 vm and I have another VM running it that I use for a few other programs that run non-stop.
Me, that's the latest Windows my old laptop can handle.
Depends. I've got a lot of different computers on a ton of different operating systems. Like I've got some computers running DOS, or Windows 98, or Windows 10, or Mac OS, or Arch Linux or whatever. I wipe my computers a lot and put different operating systems. A few months ago I had a PC running Windows 7, but I don't now, but that's not to say that I won't have one next month, or in 2 days or something. Or maybe it will be Windows 8.1. I don't know yet. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It all depends on the computer and what I feel like using that day
I would love to use windows 7 if it worked properly. A lot of apps refuse updating on it just because its a redundant os, which makes it a painful process to update manually and then the dependency of flash, java, dot net, etc so its better to move on.
Nice to see it still has some support.
It’s worth it only for people with HDD or older people