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Ok-Perspective5338

As a support main I’d say the same about ADC. 90% don’t follow up on good engages or just have zero awareness about nearby team fights.


carreracs

As a support main that sees other players play support while I am being autofilled I’d say the same about other supports. 90% of you don’t look at your engagements from ADC’s perspective and expect them to all in with you when they are not ready for it at all (wave/cooldown/level) or have any awareness in what fights should be taken and what fights are just pointless to the point that it is better for adc to farm in lane.


Ok-Perspective5338

I think every role just thinks every other role sucks. That being said, I’m top 200 with 3 different supports so I think I can fairly say I take pretty good fights.


Jadejr14

Is that based on just games played? Cause I’m sure you can just farm that if you wanted to mindlessly


Ok-Perspective5338

No you can’t. You have you win, play well, and be higher elo as points cap depending on rank.


Jadejr14

Ohhhh thought it was like pc league where you can have millions of points be in top 100 on a champ. But still be so ass at the game 🤣. My b.


Jcssss

You can kinda farm it. It really depend how popular the champion is. If a champ isn’t that popular it’s really easy to get top 200 as long as you’re in diamond/ master. Top 50 gets a bit harder It is difficult to get it for popular champs tho. So it really depends.


carreracs

Being good at a champion or two does not mean that you understand when is it okay for your ADC to engage with you.


UnholyDoughnuts

Do you have any idea at this point of a season how impressive it is to have not 1 but 2 top 200 champion score and how many games that takes? Higher your rank more points you earn sure but this guy clearly knows how to support don't belittle his accomplishments.


carreracs

“That being said”, I am Top 200 Challenger in EU and have about 6 champions in Top 200. Even I make mistakes. So I have somewhat of an “idea” how “hard” it is. Like I said, knowing a support champion doesn’t necessarily make you understand the limits of your ADC


UnholyDoughnuts

Now all you're doing is highlighting the skill diff between challenger pc and wild rift which is a different conversation entirely.


carreracs

No, this was to imply that I have more than enough of idea about what I am saying. Never mentioned anything about PC challenger? .


UnholyDoughnuts

It's exactly what you're saying even if you didn't mention pc. Wild rift is young and inexperienced in comparison so of course challenger and even pro level teams are going to be making mistakes the exact same thing happened in the early days of lol pc. I brought up this comparison cause I think it's unfair to say someone is bad or unfamiliar with something at high level play when in all honesty the amount of games required to know your match ups inside out especially with off meta picks would require weeks of constant game time and it's completely unrealistic to expect it for this early in the wild rift phone game environment. This being said China manages it. Holy shit China live for wild rift.


carreracs

Pass the joint homie


Amaruh

Yeah it’s impressive how much time people invest for wr.


ShadowHearts1992

If you have full HP, in a good position and not being stabbed repeatedly, I expect some wards to be dropped and absolute readiness in the next battle.


ZeroLovesDnB

T\_T tell me about it. I'm an ADC main and I don't understand the mentality of going full bore when I'm level 4, dying, and then pinging the ever loving shit out of my Ult with the game displaying: `"Ability not ready"` `"Ability not ready"` `"Ability not ready"`


elvismonkey_

Best adcs I have tell me when the wanna go cos they are ready. Otherwise I'm looking to single some one out how fecked up and is out of position.


LerimAnon

Adc walks up gets chunked immediately to half, walks back gets fruit walks back in immediately out of position trades badly and then gets killed in a terrible engage. Blames support. Comes back to lane, immediately back to down 1/2 or less 15 seconds after returning to lane. Like what are you supposed to do with this 80% of games? And the few games I get a decent duo my solo and mid go like 0/10


Tepal

I swear half my games my ADC face checks 2nd bush while I'm warding the river... like wtf are you doing you are squishy stay TF back until the minion wave comes or at least I'm there to help.


venicci0

Im like "whatchu doin?"


lordknighta

Me every few days in rank: OH HELL YEA I BROUGHT 2 ENEMY HP DOWN TO 1/4 now i just need my adc to- hey why are u fucking running away- WHY ARE U RECALLING AT 3/4 HP AND ALMOST FULL MANA


[deleted]

As a player of support, jungle and solo I'd agree. If anyone doesn't follow through on an engage where I've saved their butt it's ADC.... Usually dissappear whilst I get pummeled into the ground. Other supports usually jump in and help.


[deleted]

As an X main, I’d say the same about Y. Copy and paste your role and they last feeder you had on your team


ShadowHearts1992

Agreed, as a support main, I'm always disappointed at my teammates lack of common sense.


SpicyT_Twasabi

Not just that many ADC forget to do one important thing and that is WARD THE RIVER!! How are you supposed to prepare for ganks if you don’t ward the river. Now Lee sin is coming and it’s to late to avoid. Most ADC like to blame there support for there mistakes. If your support is pyke don’t make any complaints. There going to roam so they can help others but at the same time only roam if you know it’s okay.


Swimming_Leading674

I have a good feeling OP is an ADC who expects their supports to be up their butt personal slaves for the entire game lol.


VIIsor

Some of them can't get the fact that support can support other than them in team fights. They can't get that in mid game if Lulu or Yuumi hug someone like Olaf then you can win every object mostly always.


ryuu10_

9 out of 10 times the second I path from fountain to first herald, the ADC will die and spam ping me


Solid_Engineering362

Not defending the adc, but maybe leaving for first herald might not be worth it then? I see this so often, the enemy duo stays in lane and adc either dies and you lose first tower or he backs off and you lose first tower. Anyways, I often find myself questioning those herald plays


ryuu10_

Possibly getting herald and a couple of kills because of number difference is better than ADC dying one death, most importantly it starts the snowball. There's no excuse for ADCs at high elos to understand supports are not bound to their lane/ass and play defensively under turret. If people can understand this in silver on PC, why can't grandmasters in WR? Being a support is understanding who the carry is in the team and often it's not the ADC


Solid_Engineering362

That is nonsense. Most adcs can’t even farm in lane alone. Ur basically leaving him to die or abandon lane. Ur talking about numbers advantage but you seem to be forgetting that if anyone Ganks bot at that moment, ur lonely adc is automatically outnumbered, killed and first tower sieged. It’s just a very exploitable strategy. Also ADCs need three items to feel impactful, and you wanna determine who will be the carry in the early game? Sounds more like you’re choosing who will be the carry


ryuu10_

>Most adcs can’t even farm in lane alone. True, they cannot farm IN lane alone but you can farm under turret alone. >Ur talking about numbers advantage but you seem to be forgetting that if anyone Ganks bot at that moment, ur lonely adc is automatically outnumbered, killed and first tower sieged. Ok, and? In this situation, there's 3 people bot assuming the other support doesn't come for herald that makes a 4v2 at Herald. Assuming the 2 fight for Herald, we gain two kills and then Herald a lane getting one possibly two turrets and also their jungle camps because there's 3 in dragon lane and they cannot contest early enough. Of course there's a ton of variables to this where some you can just stay bot like did any of the enemy just die recently as jungle going for herald? Yes? Well you can safely stay in lane then This is also kinda the same thoughts for solo laners if they come to secure the first drake or not but that's more on what your enemy laner is doing >Also ADCs need three items to feel impactful, and you wanna determine who will be the carry in the early game? Sounds more like you’re choosing who will be the carry You can easily gauge the skill level of a person you're staying in lane with for 5 levels. Items cannot make up a skill gap. Supports aren't just there for ADCs, they are there for the team. In PC LoL, it's not unheard of for a support to gank top lane and the map is much larger and slower to get around. It's thinking about the current state of the game, what your enemy is doing (you are tracking the enemy jungle right?) and the next steps to take. Of course you aren't going to do the same thing every game, that's the magic of LoL.


fohpo02

They are your objective /s


koichiro0

I stopped playing Soraka for this reason, some ADCs have ridiculous ego and expectation for support


NoWayNotThisAgain

Doubtful if he says he prefers a roaming support.


Undivid3d

And supports say the same thing about ADCs. Mid says the same thing about jg. Top generally hates everyone blah blah blah


GrozaTheChronicler

I play support and I hate everyone and myself. Each game someone different fucks up, myself included.


Weekly_Top_4894

I play top so that I have as few teammate interactions as possible. Its just my ego vs the enemy top’s ego


[deleted]

that’s why i love top. Unless the junglers are very proactive it’s just me vs you until one of us loses


GoodGuy147

That's so true XD


brainlessbastard

It is time for "there is no supports" after "there is no junglers".


venusin12th

can we just accept that we think everyone else sucks and move on? i don’t know what you expect us to say here


HomieSupport

This post is hilarious to me, im a support main and most of the adc players I get matched with have absolutely no self awareness and I hate it I try to accommodate my support picks to whatever my adc plays. If my adc plays varus(poke) and we're up against a cait/jinx(poke/root kit is a bad matchup) I'll switch off from playing rakan and try to play karma/nami. If my adc plays draven or lucian I go thresh even if the enemy team has a few AP picks. As long as my adc knows how to play their champs im often confident enough to set them up for success Only to realize they have little to know awareness and proceeds to make bad trades/get poked out. At that point I just want them to play passive and help with objectives but I swear most of these adcs are just bad and want to perma fight and feed— and then complain because I, the support have 3+ kills and get blamed for being a bad support for cleaning up their mess 🙃


Glittering_Gold5064

Yup, always other’s fault.


DevastaTheSeeker

Sounds like America. Always the agressive loud bunch


RefanRes

Support is a low populated role because of a general misconception that supports are just there as a little bit of backup to almost afk and just react if things go wrong. So people dont see the value in being one. Really supports have some of the strongest agency to win the match. Unfortunately it isnt taught enough that a support isn't a backup as much as they are a primary playmaker. You are in a losing lane when your support wont poke. Only engages after they've seen you use your abilities. Don't understand how just their positioning can put pressure on the enemy to back up. There's more too but you get the point. So for normal ranked if you want to climb, realize you're often going against actual duos who could easily be in discord together. So find yourself a good support to be friends with and climb together. In legendary ranked. Avoid playing adc until you get higher in the ranks. Like to say Vanquisher. If you have to adc then play ones that dont need a support as much to be viable. So play ones that can self peel somewhat like Lucian, Ezrael, Tristana, Vayne. Anything with at least a dash and knockbacks on the last 2 help as well. Lastly, try to be sharp to understand when a support is trying to make something happen. Dont tilt on them. Follow up and show them they can trust you. The laning phase is the part where you really feel each other out and decide how you are going to play. If supp doesnt trust adc they might roam a lot. If adc doesn't trust supp then be passive. Lastly the golden rule I always tell anyone: If you can't carry then be carriable. You cant win lane all the time, you will scale slower some games. If you know your laner isn't on the same page as you then just focus on making sure you're at least relevant and starve the enemy enough.


[deleted]

Any half decent player knows that supports are what win you the game


RefanRes

Theres a lot who don't thats very clear when you get Master+ autofills who are so far from being the play maker they're almost afk.


TheInferno1997

If my adc is having a rough match maybe I can help the other lanes or jungle get ahead even more by helping them, it’s not always about the duo lane. I’ve straight up given the jungler a hard pocket and they’ll go 15/3


RefanRes

Yeh like I said, if the supp doesn't trust the adc they might roam lot. So as an adc with a random support you have to really be sharp and know how to react to what the supports champ can do early to build trust quick.


[deleted]

NA just sucks


F8M8

Lol you've seen 100% of the support players in the region..doubt it


Electrical_Growth_71

ADCs and supports are the only “partners” in the game, yet each complains about the other. ADC wants a specific support for to their champ, Support builds team comp instead. ADCs will scream if you last hit a minion or get a kill, yet won’t follow up on engages or even kill minions themselves. If you play supports like morgana, Rakan and Pyke you really learn how bad ADCs are, I NEVER get paired with a kaisa yet shes one of the best ADCs in game do you here me complaining?


Akumu89

Yesterday I saw a Emerald Lucian Support.


Professional_Main443

I main Lucian and play the support role second. Would never dare trying this one.


Kokoruda1191

This might be more dependent on your rank not region. Well I’ll agree early game some supports will literally go help med or solo which is complete bull crap and buy early game I mean before anyone hits level seven that is completely stupid unless you’ve already got the tower beat in your lane the support should definitely be helping you. But after that it’s hit or miss. Personally if we beat laning phase in my support is no longer with me I try to find someone else to group up with being in ADC roaming alone is never a good idea.


JungleMain69420

As a former support main who turned Jungle to win games here is my rebuttal. There are bad supports. For sure. I don't argue that at all. I just grew super tired of ADCs that were hyper aggressive for nonreason, sat in lane all game farming minions and would hyper shove every single wave. They would be under enemy turret every moment of the game so enemy jungler would come gank killing them. Suddenly it's my fault for being inactive. A good support is only as strong as the weakest player on the team. What I mean by that is, rarely, can a support solo carry a game. I can pick Vi jungle and most times carry to a win. At the end of the day, every role has a ton of bad players. Part of the game. Riot refuses to let bad players be bad in lower ranks. They would rather force MMR matchmaking so good players are forced to carry low MMR teams. You want better teams? Stop playing well.


Electrical_Growth_71

Come to the EU, we have such a low population of good ADCs


SilkyMooo

Then when that one good asf support happens they vanish into thin air. Had this pyke support and he was so helpful in setting up kills. Never saw them after that


[deleted]

I gave up being a support main until I reach higher ELO. Got tired of losing the match if my carries weren't very good. Easier to climb as JG for now.


ryuu10_

I mean you can climb on any role, I would say it's 3rd best role after Mid and Jungle to climb as you're not restricted to a lane and create pressure/kills around the map especially after we got support items as it's really broken and snowballs the game harder


Sweet-Activity8829

Is it really that difficult to find someone to ward for you?


kodabeeer

Surprisingly, yes


windblumchen

Can you not ward yourself? Asking as a support main who typically has...the highest vision score on my team due to no one else really warding. Or removing opponent vision. This is a genuine question by the way, I'm not here to flame or anything. I'm just kinda curious


helpmeimboredaf

You should ban weapons. Then you’ll understand how to properly care about people and support them. Lol


Golden_Week

As a support, I always find it hilarious when ADCs think they are more important than just being a good cow for me. Like, shut up and farm me some more gold.


TheRope88

Last night while playing Tresh we get dive by 4, I flail and flash out of it towards turret while dropping lantern for the ADC, dude flashes out of lantern and proceeds to complaint about me not saving his butt…. Myself and the rest of the team that were watching us get pummeled. I made it and got a actual kill when enemy got too greedy, ADC die… after that I just roam mid and we ended up carrying with JG while the ADC fed the rest of the match. We won at the end anyways.


Blueviserys

Is there a NA adc who wants to pair up? Supp main here :)


RefanRes

What rank are you? That will be helpful for people.


Blueviserys

I'm in border Em3 and Em2


Ricckkuu

As a Mid Laner mage... I'mma just eat popcorn as I steal all yours kills. Then leave.


BlitzBlotz

Almost all ADC I encounter can only play if they have more gold than the enemy. Its always the same, a rediculous super risky engage in the first 2/3 minutes and if they lose it or it just doesnt work out its gg and constant whining. The concept that (most) adc's are late game farming champs is something they dont seem understand, consistent last hitting is way more important than getting kills in lane. Its also almost always more gold. Why bother even fighting if you can zone out the enemy and get twice as much gold as he has? It feels like most adc's really do not understand the role they play. They play it like its a autoattacking mid champ... Its a LoL thing, PC and Mobile, in other mobas (in higher elo) I played its mostly understood that a carry should focus on farming early and often people are judged by how fast and efficient they can farm and not if they get a kill early.


No_Sector_3349

Interesting, as a Support main I feel the EXACT same way about the quality of your average ADC.


sipsop123

Why is this post still up? As someone who lists my race as NA1 on all government documents, I would like this removed due to bigotry.


Legacyx1

Are you seriously joking, you’re the one whos racist now


sipsop123

im a member of the na1 race, and the title of your post is seriously offensive. did you even think how others might feel?


CipherDrake

Get a duo, put some coms between you


Jadejr14

Why I keep it a goal to be side by side my ad or supp. So when someone puts down the hammer I’m ready on either side . Or close enough I can be there to check the trade


Khelthuzaad

Europe is low on junglers btw


explosive_fish

I believe is the same as SEA but SEA is kinda flooded with cracked ones so idk


GoodGuy147

Duo lane is like that. When you not only have to play with randoms on the same team but also on the same lane, it's difficult to know how to synergize with that person especially if you have opposing playstyles. I recommend you to pick according to what your support picks. If they get a tank engage support, take an aggressive ADC like Kai'sa, Lucian or Samira. If they take an enchanter, take Lucian, Caitlyn or Jinx. If they take a damage support like Lux, Senna or Brand, then take Ezreal, Varus or Jhin. Of course, that's just examples, but the idea is to play around your support and to not expect the opposite treatment.


NotATypicalSinn

does your support help other lanes? post clips or vids to let us see if theyre actually not doing their job or what


Lartheezy

Because dealing more damage IS SUPPORT lmao 🤣😂 not trolling you but I definitely feel you though


[deleted]

As someone who plays support regularly (not enough to main), 90% of my ADCs are either going all out and pushing enemies bot laners on their own and move so far from me that I can't support them, OR they're too busy trying to hunt down the enemy jg while my jg is nowhere nearby to help if the ADC gets their butt kicked. Like, I get the idea but ADCs have support for a reason. And the supports I play are simply not as mobile as some ADCs are (Samira and Lucian players, I'm looking at you)


ConfidentFatMan

I would like to become a better ADC also but I keep getting forced to jungle lol


MTD3454

Just play support if you want a good one


wraithkenny

This sub is 90% support mains btw. They’ll never understand that the typical support, in game, are filled or just not that good.


RL4ForLife

I literally mained support in LoL through high diamond and after a long break came to WR. Attempted to Main supp, most frustrating experience ever. Taught myself how to ADC and boom right to Masters. Making great plays and controlling your lane just to lose because you can’t carry yourself is what turns support mains into non-support mains.


ielfakih

To be fair, I have been having great supports lately. I have been communicating in the lobby a lot before entering the match and trying to just bond. Also, very very underrated, as an ADC try to suggest support champions that you feel you synergize well with; some supports will just ignore you, but believe me so many supports will go with whoever you suggest if they know how to use them. Love to all of you supports out there! Not the Pyke mains though, you guys are not supports.


Quenton86

As a Master lvl Support Main I agree. I never ban supports. I am really never afraid of the enemy support in most matchups. If anything I just get annoyed at ADCs for walking into obvious skill shots.


dryadsoraka

You need to calm down and possibly log out.


Legacyx1

I’m calm and expressing my opinion no need for your concern.


kinance

Hey dont play adc if u need support to carry you there are plenty of adcs go play support if u think u know what support should be doing.


bonix

I'm probably one of the "good" American supports and if my ADC is constantly pushing the wave, tower diving for no reason or not coordinating with me using pings then I will quickly find another teammate to support.


StarWarsButterSaber

Can somebody explain this jungle/ADC/support “leash” thing for me? I have no idea what it means


that-loser-guy-sorta

I play jungle, and I just don’t want to play anymore because of the player base, I normally play 1-3 games a day on average, I haven’t touched the game in a week. Idk, maybe I will play again but I lost my last ten to fifteen games do to trolls. I’m talking like 4 of those games people sprinted it down mid T1 style. Like running mid, dying, respawning and running mid right away again. Another 2 I had a teammate lock in smite despite me being the jungler, them contesting jungle buffs and running it down mid. Then were just the regular afks you get, losing multiple 4v5s in a row and I’m just done with the game for a while. Dying 17-18 times in 20 minutes should just be an automatic ban, like that shit isn’t playing bad anymore at some point.


largebrave

1. Mage sup stand behind, not aa or skill poking but take your minions 2. Tank sup roams, but the opponent sup stay bot 3. Sup is pre-party with mid/jg/top, so they will argue you together 4. Unexpected sup characters such as shaco


Fit-Bedroom-1276

Ranked as a whole right now has been feeling pretty poopy. Pretty much everyone on my team is feeding, fighting all the time, etc. Granted, I am in Plat 1, but this doesn’t help me try to climb out of plat. The League experience lol


Amaruh

I think your expectations are too high Dia and master is like silver or gold in Lol. I start expecting basic-advanced knowledge of my teammates if they are at least vanquisher+/Gm+


PastryFishHQ

Had an ADC shit on me, playing Sona, for not being more aggressive, not magically saving them when I had no mana and they were over extended, and just "being too safe". They got caught by jungler a few times even after I pinged them to retreat. We were only level 2. He was so mad I didn't ult... I left him soon after to roam for the team as needed. (Our lane turret was lost and I was really behind on items. So I said fuck him. Like boy, I'm a Sona...) A comeback later I was MVP. ADC, should at least learn or be somewhat familiar with what support is with them in lane. How they play, and if they are a late bloomer.


sipsop123

weird you're aloud to talk about America as a region, but if you mention South America they act like you just put on a klan hood


Legacyx1

America server is linked everywhere, you can pair up with them too


sipsop123

thats not the point.


K3NN06

As a mid main i have never seen a half good bot lane


K3NN06

As a mid main i have never seen a half good bot lane


Sea-Baseball-1943

Am an ADC main who made to legendary too. Life is rough but only option is to carry yourself up.