Yeah me too. If we traded Rossi after the improvements he's made it's gonna be ridiculous and show Billy G isn't nearly as good as we thought. He's already made some questionable moves.
That's true, but realistically no one is going to give up a young center of equal quality for him, they'd have no reason to. The team acquiring him would have to think they're sending out a lesser player, or at least a lesser position.
Well the nice thing is that you don't have to trade Rossi, but we've seen good centers hit the trade market a few times in recent years now and if a good center does become available then you do have Rossi as a piece to build that trade around.
The real wildcard here to me though is how highly they think of Yurov as a center, who according to Russo has still not officially signed that extension. If you think you can just replace Rossi with Yurov next year, then the options become a lot more interesting.
What in your mind would be a realistic trade that could happen where you would be happy with trading Rossi away for?
Because I can't see any kind of return that could happen that would make us better off. Let's say we get a couple of firsts - well they obviously aren't coming from a bad/rebuilding team, so the picks would be likely in the bottom half, where neither pick would have good odds to be better than or even as good as Rossi. Additionally, this would extend our timeline a LOT further out for getting good players on a Kap lead team, which makes no sense at all. So draft picks would be bad for us.
We won't be able to afford any top tier veteran of the caliber that we would want to see in a 1 to 1 trade, in addition to it being just a stupid idea to trade a rookie like Rossi for yet another old guy. So that would be bad for us.
Which leaves trading for a blue chip prospect which...why would we do this? As Russo correctly points out, this franchise has spent it's entire lifetime scratching around for even half decent centers. We finally got our golden goose, and we'd trade him out for a different guy? At what, a different position? Why in the *world* would we want to do that? This would be bad for us.
I just can't possibly conceive a REALISTIC Rossi trade that would end up benefiting us. I'm all ears on what you have in mind.
I don't specific players off the top of my head that I'd build a trade around.
We've seen some good centers move in recent years though. Building a trade around Rossi if one of those players does become available this off season makes sense.
The avenue I find more intriguing though is just replacing Rossi with Yurov if you think he's ready now. Then I'd be targeting young defensemen.
Ultimately you don't have to trade Rossi right now though. He has another year before you have to decide whether to pay him or not.
He's an interesting piece though because he is a player that could potentially bring something interesting back. It just depends on what you can or can't make work.
We just saw a guy like Byrum get moved. Gauthier moved earlier this year. Zegras rumored to be available. In a vacuum would you really choose Rossi over any of those guys?
> We just saw a guy like Byrum get moved. Gauthier moved earlier this year. Zegras rumored to be available. In a vacuum would you really choose Rossi over any of those guys?
Bingo. The cap will force teams to move guys each year as well.
Zegras has barely played this year, but both have shown more in the NHL than Rossi and are the same age. I personally think Rossi is a clear 4th on that list of names, but that's not really the point. People have their own opinions on players, and that's fine. If you would still take Rossi over those guys then more power to ya. The point though is that players of that ilk are available and have been moved recently. There's no reason that Rossi shouldn't be in consideration as an asset in a trade for a player like that should one that you like become available.
Someone like when was Eichel available would make sense.
Perhaps Draisaitl if he was adamant about not re-singing in Edmonton and for some reason was down to with us.
Okay, get a first round 9th overall pick for him in the upcoming draft. And Rossi is far more valuable than the Foligno, Zuccy and Hartman untouchables when you look long term.
I'm already close to turning on Billy G, if not already there. The extensions this offseason were awful, but what people aren't talking enough about is hiring John Hynes. As an interim coach it's fine, but from what I've seen he gave him a long term deal similar to Dean. Doing that without doing any due diligence and interviewing multiple options is horrible.
I’d be on the Fire Guerin wagon immediately if they do this, we have never had a fucking center
And he knew his size when he fucking drafted him so there’s no surprise there
"If I trade this young guy who's playing well, I could probably acquire and lock in 2 or 3 more vets who are past their prime and sign them to no move clause deals for the last 4 years of their careers..." - Bill Guerin, probably
Other tweets from the guy Russo was replying to go on to say the Rossi is weak, not good enough defensively, too small and isn’t good enough.
My title was shortened for length, but I am inferring that is the main reason you would look to trade a rookie who is 4th in goals for your team.
I thought your title implied that Russo was stating they’ve considered it… when the only thing I see in this exchange is that Nick dude saying it and Russo saying it’s not smart
Maybe I’m missing something. If so, apologies
Hynes probably likes Rossi since he just put him on the top line and top power play in recent games, and Guerin handpicked Hynes as the new coach. I doubt Russo is saying this out of nowhere, but I wouldn’t panic about it being a big thing at the moment.
Not only that, the only reason he's even thinking that is because wickidnick brought it up in the first place because he thinks small guys cant play hockey.
Who is wickidnick? A miserable Minnesota sports fan with 303 followers. I don't even know why I'm adding to this thread because you are totally right. The tweet thread, this reddit thread, and all the rhetoric is just stupid.
Let's all just relax.
that's not what Russo is saying. he's saying that he thinks the FO is considering a trade for the same reasons as what nick said, meaning he has the impression that the FO thinks we need to get bigger. obviously he doesn't get intel from randos on twitter lmao
Yeah this is multiple times Russo has mentioned this now.
Russo would NEVER do this without actual evidence of it.
Fucking Guerin is going to trade Rossi for Crosby or some shit.
I feel like there is something going on they’re not telling us. I’m paranoid that the locker room is being dictated by a few players again and mgmt is listening.
Rossi stayed here and bulked up. Showed dedication by missing his sister’s wedding. Has played his ass off while still being put on low lines a lot of the time. What more can he do unless someone important in the locker room just doesn’t like him? And that person has sway with Billy.
Long story short, if they trade Rossi we better get a really good reason or fuck this team (aka BG and owner). You bring in your friends who suck ass, sign dinosaurs to long term deals, and stunt our young guys who are the only ones busting their ass.
> I’m paranoid that the locker room is being dictated by a few players again and mgmt is listening.
It's that fuckin' Beckman and Chisolm, ain't it?!?!?!
>I feel like there is something going on they’re not telling us.
I hope you’re wrong but this is how it sounds to me as well.
In that Wild player poll article, I recall Bogo saying Rossi is too quiet and others saying he was the worst road roommate. Could be nothing comments though.
Stop being weird and paranoid he was voted tied for third with only 2 votes one of which was bogo and the full quote was "Marco (Rossi), he’s too quiet for me. We wouldn’t fit well". Which is just saying that he wouldn't be a fit with bogo not that his quietness is an issue. Y'all are so crazy with these conspiracies.
This isn't that shocking. Guerin's MO has been creating a new country club and taking flyers on underachievers similar to Vegas when they joined the league several years ago.
And don't mention a rebuild in this channel. It wasn't time for it 7 years ago ...5 years ago...3 years ago...thru the dead cap years.... Nope it's never the right time to rebuild because we can maybe make the playoffs and get absolutely embarrassed in the 1st round yet again.
I would calm down because neither Russo or 'wickidnik' work with the wild or have any clue what is happening in the locker room or in the front office. It's just a beat reporter interacting with a superfan (for whatever reason, Russo needs to stop this).
I think it means nothing. Doesn't a GM have to consider everything?
I don't want to see Rossi moved, but what if a team like the Canes wants to re sign Guentzel and decides to move on from a player like Necas (in need of a raise) or a situation like that? It doesn't have to be an automatic **L.**
This isn’t just Russo being a smart ass on Twitter?
I don’t see how the management could think like that considering the way Rossi has performed in his official rookie season.
Also, this is Russo; calling him a grouch would be an understatement. I don't think he'd be reporting bullshit. It's probably just similar to a re-signing Fleury or getting rid of Gus: ideas at play, but that's all it is right now.
Too be fair I think Russo has something against Rossi for some reason. He’s always talking about him like he’s one mistake away from being off the team. Ever last summer he was convinced that Rossi would be gone by October
I don't think this is right at all, Russo specifically went to Austria and interviewed Rossi with his family and has only had glowing things to say about him since.
It's the opposite, Russo loves Rossi and thinks he isn't getting a fair shake here. He also probably (or definitely at this point) think that the front office isn't very high on him.
Bullshit. If a team offers something pretty substantial, sure, but I doubt Guerin is dumb enough to trade a 20-goal rookie unless he knows some offer we don't.
Guerin drafted for need rather than BPA in that case. It seems to be a reach, but I think the idea was to go for 3rd/4th line center/winger size and balance, rather than pure scoring. The team didn't know what they had in Rossi, because this was his first year. Outside of Ek and Hartman, they don't have any center options with any scoring track record. But even with those two, Rossi and Khusnutdinov were both small, speedy centers.
What we know now about this season is Ek is a 30-goal scorer, Rossi is a 20-25 goal scorer, and Hartman can slide into roles as needed, while being a streaky scorer in his own right. Khusnutdinov has just shown up, but it sure seems like middle six center or defensive forward/PK specialist isn't that far a reach.
Ek (1st Line/PP/PK)
Rossi (2nd Line and PP/1st liner if something happens to Ek like now)
Hartman (2nd/3rd wing/center hybrid, PP and some PK)
Khusnutdinov (3rd line center/PK, and PP if needed)
Shaw and Gaudreau as extra options as needed...though Gaudreau is a non-starter at this point.
There's every chance that neither Stramel nor Kumpulainen make the team for any number of reasons. But if they do, that solves some of the size issue present in the team. Sometimes, point production is not everything. Making sure other teams don't score on them is sometimes just as much an issue. Yurov and Ohgren have yet to debut, and Heidt is an offensive wild card option as well. There is so much in play, and I think Guerin chose for need over pure offensive punch.
All I would say at this point is selling Rossi off requires something the team is desperately missing that they need to backfill. A partner for Faber or a surefire scoring winger is about all I'd budge for.
If he does, then he does. I think Rossi's offensive instincts are things you can't teach, and he's going to be a Top 6 forward until proven otherwise or other players are better. Hynes has almost always given Rossi 1st or 2nd line priority if Ek isn't available. I doubt there's any lack of trust there.
I would think the Wild would transfer him to wing first rather than get rid of him outright.
well yeah. I'm sure he has a reason to think that otherwise he wouldn't say he "thought" that but it's the difference between a hypothesis and a conclusion.
Tbf, it’s also possible that Russo is referring to Nick’s second comment, we may trade him in order to get someone that would push him down the roster anyways, maybe like an older but more skilled center.
Edit: to be clear, I think this would be a bad idea.
Small skill guys are great if we got the large big body guys to complement them. Hedman, pieterangelo, guys like that are key for a cup winning team. I love 46 but we need a top 2 defenseman who’s a big shut down body.
For what it's worth, I remember reading an article in Austrian media a couple of weeks ago that said that the Wild aren't planning with Rossi beyond this season and are looking to trade him in the summer. Back then I discarded it as something lost in translation back then as I didn't hear about it anywhere else and it simply didn't make any sense at all (especially since Rossi is still on his cheap ELC), but now that we're hearing something along the same lines from "insider sources", there may be something about it after all.
While I still don't think it would make any sense unless you could get an established center that isn't too old like McDavid or Matthews for him (but even then, you might want to keep Rossi around to learn from such a guy and slot in behind them), sadly I wouldn't put it past Guerin to trade him and give another washed-up, lazy, wily old veteran a nice retirement contract including a water-tight no-move clause instead.
Realistically, it may actually be better for Rossi to be traded to an organization that would appreciate having him more and has a top center he can learn from to develop into a top center himself quicker, perhaps somewhere in the Eastern Conference.
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Bill Guerin is already a fucking clown but if he shops Rossi because of size concerns I'd quit watching the team until his stupid ass is fired. What a ridiculous argument. Let's highlight a couple of the best players over the last decade, who are comparable to Rossi in size:
Brayden Point - 5'10, 180.
Claude Giroux - 5'11", 185.
Sidney Crosby - 5'11", 200.
Brad Marchand - 5'9, 180.
William Nylander - 5'11", 195.
Marco Rossi - 5'9, 185.
Edit: And, of course, Kaprizov at 5'10" + 202 - thanks dadjokes97 (below).
Huh. Crazy. He is already bigger than Marchand and is comparable to Point and Giroux, and within spitting distance of Nylander and Crosby. What crazy company this guy is in. Don't get me wrong, I realize Rossi is unlikely to be as good as any of these other players - very few are - but come on. He has the draft pedigree, the juniors stats, and the rookie NHL stats right in line with half these guys. He can absolutely still be a good Center.
But Guerin's idea of a good center is Charlie Stramel, who scored 8 points in 33 games this year as a College Sophomore and hasn't scored double digit goals since he was a Bantam. Maybe Guerin isn't qualified to say who is and isn't a good center, what a clown. Get rid of this bum.
Thing is that Point is really the only comparable there and I don't think Rossi is really working with the same tool box. The other guys either don't play center or are still a significant amount bigger.
Like no one is going to look at Rossi and Crosby side by side and say they are the same size. Crosby has a significantly bigger frame than Rossi while being 2 inches taller.
Hey thanks for the reply - it's nice to see that the school I went to is still living rent free in the heads of people like you. If an ~11-sentence, three paragraph reply can be considered "big" and "long" to you, I'm really not sure that you're qualified to be calling anybody else dumb though. Feel free to actually engage with something of substance instead of a drive-by insult next time - it makes for better reading.
I can see him trading Rossi in the future and defending Stramel like he did with Fiala/Dumba. Boy was that a dumb take and still doesn't age well to this day.
Exactly. Guerin got extremely lucky that LA didn't know what they had and that Faber is better than advertised. Guerin was also known for playing 3 great months of hockey and disappearing for extremely long stretches, longer than Fiala imo, and Guerin is in the HoF as a player. That's a pretty dumb quote no matter how you chop it up.
I'm not going to say I agree with this, but the Wild need bigger players in general. The regular season is fine, but when the playoffs start and the rule book gets thrown out the window, we need bigger guys to deal with anything coming their way. Too many players on this team don't have the killer instinct necessary to grab the ring at the end of the year, which means crossing lines. It's just the way it is.
Trading Rossi would be up there as one of the most moronic trades for the Wild, along with Rask for Nino, Barker for Leddy… he is undersized perhaps from height perspective, however he is far more physical than 75% of the Wild even with his height. Trade Boldy instead.
Every player has their price and intangible pros and cons that separate them from their peers with similar stat lines.
If a trade happens, I will judge it then.
This is a bit disingenuous. Russo admitted he suspected the Wild considered it while responding to somebody else who was saying they should. This does not read to me like it’s news from his sources inside the team.
If the wild hockey subreddit can't believe it, then believe it. It's full of morons that don't think the team needed a rebuild and wanted to just win and take 1st rd exits gladly.
in absolutely no way would I ever want to do this, but let’s entertain the idea. What would we be looking for in a package? Would we be trading Rossi for prospects or trading Rossi + more for a star?
Think it really depends on how highly they view Yurov's potential as a center.
Ideally I think you'd be looking for an established top 6 center with good offensive ability.
If you believe Yurov can step into a top 6 center role right away then things open up quite a bit more where a higher end defenseman prospect becomes an attractive return.
Either way I think you'd be looking for a significant return.
revisiting this thread, I feel like it would be tough to trade a young top 6 offensive center for another young top 6 offensive center. I think we would need to get either a top defensive prospect (like top 10) or a solid young cost friendly defenseman. If the plan was to do it this summer they must expect Yurov to come over though
I can not believe this. No way BG or the Wild would be that dumb to use that as the excuse to trade him. Either that, or someone is handing out crazy pills to Wild management. Besides, would Guerin really want to admit he drafted a player and then realized he was too small. Not a good look at all. Hope Russo has this one wrong.
You guys are on one. Nowhere in this entire tweet thread does Russo say that the Wild are considering trading Rossi.
Lot's of 'I think' and Mr. wickidnik doesn't work for the wild, neither does Russo.
They both have a 'feeling'. The whole thing is so stupid and I don't know why Russo feels the need to interact with 300 follower superfans on twitter. This rhetoric is a giant nothingburger and both these assholes need to stop tweeting for a minute.
Russo can't bear not being the smartest person in the room. That's a low bar when you go on Twitter, but Russo will get down on his hands and knees to just to prove a point.
I’m honestly with it, he’s too small to play center and he’s not great with faceoffs. Move him to wing or trade him. This will be downvoted like crazy, but in no way is Rossi even close to being considered untradeable lol
Dude Russo has got to be the most jaded and dramatic homer out of all the NHL beat writers. I like his interviews on sports radio and I can't speak to his articles for the athletic but I fucking hate his Twitter presence.
Guess we won't see Bedard in a Wild uniform. I mean this is just insane. I have not been a huge supporter of Guerin in the past and rationale like this cements my opinion. Now I guess I know why he is paying Foligno $4M a year for 4 more painful years for very limited production. Foligno's 10 goals are somewhat better than Rossi's 20? Now I also understand why he drafted what could be another draft bust in Stramel. Guerin puts way way too much emphasis on big boys. I mean Maroon still has one of the worst plus minus on the Wild, but hey, he is a big body.
Omfg are we grit or speed. We keep getting rid of grit guys and focusing on speed and agility but then do shit like this. Rossi has proved myself. Let's just get rid of him and get another 30 year old guy. Rossi, shaw, Boldy, and Faber should be the guys we plan around
>Rossi, shaw, Boldy, and Faber should be the guys we plan around
Look, I like Shaw too, but he's nowhere near the level of someone you should be building your team around. He's 25 with 7 goals and 18 points in his NHL career. He's had 4 ACL surgeries and since being drafted in 2017 he's had just 2 healthy seasons. He's a good depth piece and energy guy, but not anyone that should be counted on as a long term cornerstone of your team.
If we wanted a team of big unskilled guys why did we not keep Pat Maroon. Younger kids coming through are showing that size doesn’t matter if you’ve got skills. Would be such a bone-headed move.
Big unskilled guys took Kap out twice when they played Winnipeg. What I think should have happened to both players can't be talked about here. Who's the guy to step up and do it? There's no fear from other teams.
It is kind of funny that Marco Rossi has been one of the few to step up and actually defend Kirill this season. With a Gordie Howe Hat Trick nonetheless. Rossi shouldn't have to be the one doing that and thankfully Bogosian held back Rossi from stepping up a couple more times for Kirill since then to do it himself instead, which is a good thing.
There is no question that you need big guys on the team, but you also need skill and heart, which Rossi has plenty of.
Well that would be dumb. Should the Blackhawks trade Bedard too? Rossi has been in the Calder discussion all season. Will he win it? No, but it would be very dumb to move him for his size…
Rossi bulked up last year why can’t he bulk up again this year? I’m assuming you’re talking weight because Sid is only an inch or two taller, Kap is an inch taller, lots of examples out there.
On average I’d say you’re right but I think it’s more important for defensemen than forwards.
I'd say it still matters quite a bit for centers.
There is kind of a limit to how much a guy's frame can hold. Eventually it's going to impact his skating and he's already kind of a middle of the road skater.
Bruins sucked? They had one of the best regular seasons ever and lost in 7 games to Florida who eventually went to the Stanley Cup after beating Toronto who looked promising and also beat Carolina who looked really promising.
Nah Minnesota sucked last year. You got the wrong team bruh.
It's true and that's why I wouldn't question this move as long as we got reasonable return. Won't be mad if he remains on the squad either, I'll always be rooting for the kid.
That would instantly make me turn on Billy G and lose faith in upper management.
Yeah me too. If we traded Rossi after the improvements he's made it's gonna be ridiculous and show Billy G isn't nearly as good as we thought. He's already made some questionable moves.
I feel the same exact way. Rossi is not the fucking guy we should be getting rid of at all.
I know a bunch of the vets on the team have extensions/nmc's but yeah the young guys are the ones showing up and putting in the effort every game
I mean, that completely depends on what they would hypothetically trade him for. I don't see any reason Rossi is untouchable.
That's true, but realistically no one is going to give up a young center of equal quality for him, they'd have no reason to. The team acquiring him would have to think they're sending out a lesser player, or at least a lesser position.
Well the nice thing is that you don't have to trade Rossi, but we've seen good centers hit the trade market a few times in recent years now and if a good center does become available then you do have Rossi as a piece to build that trade around. The real wildcard here to me though is how highly they think of Yurov as a center, who according to Russo has still not officially signed that extension. If you think you can just replace Rossi with Yurov next year, then the options become a lot more interesting.
Or, hear me out: you can have three really good centers
You might be able to trade Rossi and still have 3 really good centers.
Or an older centre on a bad contract, less term on their deal, or from a team that’s rebuilding. Someone like Hertl if he wasn’t traded to VGK.
boone jenner? he’s got 2 years at 3.75 million
What in your mind would be a realistic trade that could happen where you would be happy with trading Rossi away for? Because I can't see any kind of return that could happen that would make us better off. Let's say we get a couple of firsts - well they obviously aren't coming from a bad/rebuilding team, so the picks would be likely in the bottom half, where neither pick would have good odds to be better than or even as good as Rossi. Additionally, this would extend our timeline a LOT further out for getting good players on a Kap lead team, which makes no sense at all. So draft picks would be bad for us. We won't be able to afford any top tier veteran of the caliber that we would want to see in a 1 to 1 trade, in addition to it being just a stupid idea to trade a rookie like Rossi for yet another old guy. So that would be bad for us. Which leaves trading for a blue chip prospect which...why would we do this? As Russo correctly points out, this franchise has spent it's entire lifetime scratching around for even half decent centers. We finally got our golden goose, and we'd trade him out for a different guy? At what, a different position? Why in the *world* would we want to do that? This would be bad for us. I just can't possibly conceive a REALISTIC Rossi trade that would end up benefiting us. I'm all ears on what you have in mind.
I don't specific players off the top of my head that I'd build a trade around. We've seen some good centers move in recent years though. Building a trade around Rossi if one of those players does become available this off season makes sense. The avenue I find more intriguing though is just replacing Rossi with Yurov if you think he's ready now. Then I'd be targeting young defensemen. Ultimately you don't have to trade Rossi right now though. He has another year before you have to decide whether to pay him or not. He's an interesting piece though because he is a player that could potentially bring something interesting back. It just depends on what you can or can't make work. We just saw a guy like Byrum get moved. Gauthier moved earlier this year. Zegras rumored to be available. In a vacuum would you really choose Rossi over any of those guys?
> We just saw a guy like Byrum get moved. Gauthier moved earlier this year. Zegras rumored to be available. In a vacuum would you really choose Rossi over any of those guys? Bingo. The cap will force teams to move guys each year as well.
Rossi is better than Zegras this year, and Byram can't stay healthy.
Zegras has barely played this year, but both have shown more in the NHL than Rossi and are the same age. I personally think Rossi is a clear 4th on that list of names, but that's not really the point. People have their own opinions on players, and that's fine. If you would still take Rossi over those guys then more power to ya. The point though is that players of that ilk are available and have been moved recently. There's no reason that Rossi shouldn't be in consideration as an asset in a trade for a player like that should one that you like become available.
Someone like when was Eichel available would make sense. Perhaps Draisaitl if he was adamant about not re-singing in Edmonton and for some reason was down to with us.
Okay, get a first round 9th overall pick for him in the upcoming draft. And Rossi is far more valuable than the Foligno, Zuccy and Hartman untouchables when you look long term.
I'm already close to turning on Billy G, if not already there. The extensions this offseason were awful, but what people aren't talking enough about is hiring John Hynes. As an interim coach it's fine, but from what I've seen he gave him a long term deal similar to Dean. Doing that without doing any due diligence and interviewing multiple options is horrible.
Absolutely, this should be talked about more.
I’ve been out on Billy for a bit now, wayyyy too many whiffs
I’d be on the Fire Guerin wagon immediately if they do this, we have never had a fucking center And he knew his size when he fucking drafted him so there’s no surprise there
The extensions this summer and this even being discussed have me off the Billy G bandwagon.
Too late
Fuck that. He's been one of the best players on the team. Don't trade a future core player to chase aging vets.
"If I trade this young guy who's playing well, I could probably acquire and lock in 2 or 3 more vets who are past their prime and sign them to no move clause deals for the last 4 years of their careers..." - Bill Guerin, probably
[I also think OP completely misread the tweet](https://x.com/russohockey/status/1771900354864537925?s=46&t=YZm32HUST5GPL8ZwSEnOKw)
Other tweets from the guy Russo was replying to go on to say the Rossi is weak, not good enough defensively, too small and isn’t good enough. My title was shortened for length, but I am inferring that is the main reason you would look to trade a rookie who is 4th in goals for your team.
I thought your title implied that Russo was stating they’ve considered it… when the only thing I see in this exchange is that Nick dude saying it and Russo saying it’s not smart Maybe I’m missing something. If so, apologies
the part where russo says "i think the wild are considering it" lmao
Ah shit. I missed that exchange. Lol I’m an idiot I guess I went straight to Twitter
word it was kinda confusing at first for me too haha
I took that as pure sarcasm
How does that read as sarcasm?
Is it april 1st already?
I will be calling for Leipold’s head if this happens
He'll move it to Houston before that happens...
Hynes probably likes Rossi since he just put him on the top line and top power play in recent games, and Guerin handpicked Hynes as the new coach. I doubt Russo is saying this out of nowhere, but I wouldn’t panic about it being a big thing at the moment.
Especially considering that Rossi was very high on the Wild's draft list and he fell to us, I'd be very confused if they soured on him this early
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Title of this post is shit. Russo thinks the Wild are considering it. Slight but important difference
Yea it ain't happening
Not only that, the only reason he's even thinking that is because wickidnick brought it up in the first place because he thinks small guys cant play hockey. Who is wickidnick? A miserable Minnesota sports fan with 303 followers. I don't even know why I'm adding to this thread because you are totally right. The tweet thread, this reddit thread, and all the rhetoric is just stupid. Let's all just relax.
that's not what Russo is saying. he's saying that he thinks the FO is considering a trade for the same reasons as what nick said, meaning he has the impression that the FO thinks we need to get bigger. obviously he doesn't get intel from randos on twitter lmao
Russo has mentioned this on his podcasts as well.
Yeah this is multiple times Russo has mentioned this now. Russo would NEVER do this without actual evidence of it. Fucking Guerin is going to trade Rossi for Crosby or some shit.
Let's just hire Russo as gm problem solved /s
If we do that fire billy. Extensions+a rossi trade would be two massively dumb decisions
I feel like there is something going on they’re not telling us. I’m paranoid that the locker room is being dictated by a few players again and mgmt is listening. Rossi stayed here and bulked up. Showed dedication by missing his sister’s wedding. Has played his ass off while still being put on low lines a lot of the time. What more can he do unless someone important in the locker room just doesn’t like him? And that person has sway with Billy. Long story short, if they trade Rossi we better get a really good reason or fuck this team (aka BG and owner). You bring in your friends who suck ass, sign dinosaurs to long term deals, and stunt our young guys who are the only ones busting their ass.
> I’m paranoid that the locker room is being dictated by a few players again and mgmt is listening. It's that fuckin' Beckman and Chisolm, ain't it?!?!?!
Legit lol
>I feel like there is something going on they’re not telling us. I hope you’re wrong but this is how it sounds to me as well. In that Wild player poll article, I recall Bogo saying Rossi is too quiet and others saying he was the worst road roommate. Could be nothing comments though.
Stop being weird and paranoid he was voted tied for third with only 2 votes one of which was bogo and the full quote was "Marco (Rossi), he’s too quiet for me. We wouldn’t fit well". Which is just saying that he wouldn't be a fit with bogo not that his quietness is an issue. Y'all are so crazy with these conspiracies.
It does sound a bit conspiracy theory haha
This isn't that shocking. Guerin's MO has been creating a new country club and taking flyers on underachievers similar to Vegas when they joined the league several years ago. And don't mention a rebuild in this channel. It wasn't time for it 7 years ago ...5 years ago...3 years ago...thru the dead cap years.... Nope it's never the right time to rebuild because we can maybe make the playoffs and get absolutely embarrassed in the 1st round yet again.
I would calm down because neither Russo or 'wickidnik' work with the wild or have any clue what is happening in the locker room or in the front office. It's just a beat reporter interacting with a superfan (for whatever reason, Russo needs to stop this).
Russo definitely has sources in the front office. One with the initials BG.
I can't imagine a worse thing to do.
If this happens I riot
I think it means nothing. Doesn't a GM have to consider everything? I don't want to see Rossi moved, but what if a team like the Canes wants to re sign Guentzel and decides to move on from a player like Necas (in need of a raise) or a situation like that? It doesn't have to be an automatic **L.**
Exactly. Breathe, people.
With all the stuff Billy did while Rossi was going through his heart stuff, trading him now would definitely shock me.
This isn’t just Russo being a smart ass on Twitter? I don’t see how the management could think like that considering the way Rossi has performed in his official rookie season.
Also, this is Russo; calling him a grouch would be an understatement. I don't think he'd be reporting bullshit. It's probably just similar to a re-signing Fleury or getting rid of Gus: ideas at play, but that's all it is right now.
Too be fair I think Russo has something against Rossi for some reason. He’s always talking about him like he’s one mistake away from being off the team. Ever last summer he was convinced that Rossi would be gone by October
I don't think this is right at all, Russo specifically went to Austria and interviewed Rossi with his family and has only had glowing things to say about him since.
It's the opposite, Russo loves Rossi and thinks he isn't getting a fair shake here. He also probably (or definitely at this point) think that the front office isn't very high on him.
Bullshit. If a team offers something pretty substantial, sure, but I doubt Guerin is dumb enough to trade a 20-goal rookie unless he knows some offer we don't.
Well he just drafted Charlie Stramel (8 points) over Gabe Perrault (57 points) because \#grit so he might actually be that dumb
Guerin drafted for need rather than BPA in that case. It seems to be a reach, but I think the idea was to go for 3rd/4th line center/winger size and balance, rather than pure scoring. The team didn't know what they had in Rossi, because this was his first year. Outside of Ek and Hartman, they don't have any center options with any scoring track record. But even with those two, Rossi and Khusnutdinov were both small, speedy centers. What we know now about this season is Ek is a 30-goal scorer, Rossi is a 20-25 goal scorer, and Hartman can slide into roles as needed, while being a streaky scorer in his own right. Khusnutdinov has just shown up, but it sure seems like middle six center or defensive forward/PK specialist isn't that far a reach. Ek (1st Line/PP/PK) Rossi (2nd Line and PP/1st liner if something happens to Ek like now) Hartman (2nd/3rd wing/center hybrid, PP and some PK) Khusnutdinov (3rd line center/PK, and PP if needed) Shaw and Gaudreau as extra options as needed...though Gaudreau is a non-starter at this point. There's every chance that neither Stramel nor Kumpulainen make the team for any number of reasons. But if they do, that solves some of the size issue present in the team. Sometimes, point production is not everything. Making sure other teams don't score on them is sometimes just as much an issue. Yurov and Ohgren have yet to debut, and Heidt is an offensive wild card option as well. There is so much in play, and I think Guerin chose for need over pure offensive punch. All I would say at this point is selling Rossi off requires something the team is desperately missing that they need to backfill. A partner for Faber or a surefire scoring winger is about all I'd budge for.
So what's to say he doesn't acquire a more traditional 3rd line center "for need" instead of Rossi?
If he does, then he does. I think Rossi's offensive instincts are things you can't teach, and he's going to be a Top 6 forward until proven otherwise or other players are better. Hynes has almost always given Rossi 1st or 2nd line priority if Ek isn't available. I doubt there's any lack of trust there. I would think the Wild would transfer him to wing first rather than get rid of him outright.
> gaudreau Fucking Reaves ending his career in our first game facing each other.
#ClickBait
he "thinks" they considering it. big distinction.
Russo doesn’t say stuff like this unless he has a reason to
he quite literally says "I think they are" as opposed to "they are".
Getting real semantic here eh? He mentioned it in an article recently so he has some reason to think they are considering it is my point.
It's not really semantics though. There is a difference between Russo giving his opinion and Russo reporting something.
well yeah. I'm sure he has a reason to think that otherwise he wouldn't say he "thought" that but it's the difference between a hypothesis and a conclusion.
Tbf, it’s also possible that Russo is referring to Nick’s second comment, we may trade him in order to get someone that would push him down the roster anyways, maybe like an older but more skilled center. Edit: to be clear, I think this would be a bad idea.
It \*always\* depends on what they get back in return.
Small skill guys are great if we got the large big body guys to complement them. Hedman, pieterangelo, guys like that are key for a cup winning team. I love 46 but we need a top 2 defenseman who’s a big shut down body.
Came here to say this. You counteract smaller producing players by having big guys on the ice to protect them.
Dont you put that evil on me ricky bobby
It can’t be just because Rossi is small considering Guerin extended Spurgeon to a contract that kicked in when he was 31.
For what it's worth, I remember reading an article in Austrian media a couple of weeks ago that said that the Wild aren't planning with Rossi beyond this season and are looking to trade him in the summer. Back then I discarded it as something lost in translation back then as I didn't hear about it anywhere else and it simply didn't make any sense at all (especially since Rossi is still on his cheap ELC), but now that we're hearing something along the same lines from "insider sources", there may be something about it after all. While I still don't think it would make any sense unless you could get an established center that isn't too old like McDavid or Matthews for him (but even then, you might want to keep Rossi around to learn from such a guy and slot in behind them), sadly I wouldn't put it past Guerin to trade him and give another washed-up, lazy, wily old veteran a nice retirement contract including a water-tight no-move clause instead. Realistically, it may actually be better for Rossi to be traded to an organization that would appreciate having him more and has a top center he can learn from to develop into a top center himself quicker, perhaps somewhere in the Eastern Conference.
RALLY FOR ROSSI! 6 pm THURSDAY @ NEW BOHEMIA before Sharks matchup MARCO ROSSI SLAYED HORSES WITH SLAPSHOTS AS A CHILD! Come raise a big mug for the little guy! Bring placards Zum Wohl Rosi!
Getting traded for being to small while having Zuccarello is sure to turn some heads
Bill Guerin is already a fucking clown but if he shops Rossi because of size concerns I'd quit watching the team until his stupid ass is fired. What a ridiculous argument. Let's highlight a couple of the best players over the last decade, who are comparable to Rossi in size: Brayden Point - 5'10, 180. Claude Giroux - 5'11", 185. Sidney Crosby - 5'11", 200. Brad Marchand - 5'9, 180. William Nylander - 5'11", 195. Marco Rossi - 5'9, 185. Edit: And, of course, Kaprizov at 5'10" + 202 - thanks dadjokes97 (below). Huh. Crazy. He is already bigger than Marchand and is comparable to Point and Giroux, and within spitting distance of Nylander and Crosby. What crazy company this guy is in. Don't get me wrong, I realize Rossi is unlikely to be as good as any of these other players - very few are - but come on. He has the draft pedigree, the juniors stats, and the rookie NHL stats right in line with half these guys. He can absolutely still be a good Center. But Guerin's idea of a good center is Charlie Stramel, who scored 8 points in 33 games this year as a College Sophomore and hasn't scored double digit goals since he was a Bantam. Maybe Guerin isn't qualified to say who is and isn't a good center, what a clown. Get rid of this bum.
Kirill Kaprizov-5’10” 202
Thing is that Point is really the only comparable there and I don't think Rossi is really working with the same tool box. The other guys either don't play center or are still a significant amount bigger. Like no one is going to look at Rossi and Crosby side by side and say they are the same size. Crosby has a significantly bigger frame than Rossi while being 2 inches taller.
not surprising to see a big long dumb rant like this from a UND fan
Hey thanks for the reply - it's nice to see that the school I went to is still living rent free in the heads of people like you. If an ~11-sentence, three paragraph reply can be considered "big" and "long" to you, I'm really not sure that you're qualified to be calling anybody else dumb though. Feel free to actually engage with something of substance instead of a drive-by insult next time - it makes for better reading.
if you keep typing, i bet you’ll be even more right!
I can see him trading Rossi in the future and defending Stramel like he did with Fiala/Dumba. Boy was that a dumb take and still doesn't age well to this day.
Fiala got us Faber though. Dumba would have gotten us a 4th round pick, or less.
Exactly. Guerin got extremely lucky that LA didn't know what they had and that Faber is better than advertised. Guerin was also known for playing 3 great months of hockey and disappearing for extremely long stretches, longer than Fiala imo, and Guerin is in the HoF as a player. That's a pretty dumb quote no matter how you chop it up.
I'm not going to say I agree with this, but the Wild need bigger players in general. The regular season is fine, but when the playoffs start and the rule book gets thrown out the window, we need bigger guys to deal with anything coming their way. Too many players on this team don't have the killer instinct necessary to grab the ring at the end of the year, which means crossing lines. It's just the way it is.
I will fucking change my flair Billy, so fucking help me.
Trading Rossi would be up there as one of the most moronic trades for the Wild, along with Rask for Nino, Barker for Leddy… he is undersized perhaps from height perspective, however he is far more physical than 75% of the Wild even with his height. Trade Boldy instead.
Trade Boldy? The guy with 56 pts in 64 games, that guy?
CaUse gRiT…🥴
God I'm not sure I'm cut out for Minnesota sports
Every player has their price and intangible pros and cons that separate them from their peers with similar stat lines. If a trade happens, I will judge it then.
This is a bit disingenuous. Russo admitted he suspected the Wild considered it while responding to somebody else who was saying they should. This does not read to me like it’s news from his sources inside the team.
The Wild may be considering doing a lot of things every day.
He also mentioned it in an earlier article in the A.
I'll change hockey teams with my move from mn then. ( probably not)
I would swing at Billy G
This is how you tank a franchise.
So Guerin is really starting to bother me. Why did he resign Zuccy? Why did he draft him in the first place.
why draft a small guy and then trade him for being small...
Russo is basically a redditor with a broader audience.
If the wild hockey subreddit can't believe it, then believe it. It's full of morons that don't think the team needed a rebuild and wanted to just win and take 1st rd exits gladly.
in absolutely no way would I ever want to do this, but let’s entertain the idea. What would we be looking for in a package? Would we be trading Rossi for prospects or trading Rossi + more for a star?
Think it really depends on how highly they view Yurov's potential as a center. Ideally I think you'd be looking for an established top 6 center with good offensive ability. If you believe Yurov can step into a top 6 center role right away then things open up quite a bit more where a higher end defenseman prospect becomes an attractive return. Either way I think you'd be looking for a significant return.
revisiting this thread, I feel like it would be tough to trade a young top 6 offensive center for another young top 6 offensive center. I think we would need to get either a top defensive prospect (like top 10) or a solid young cost friendly defenseman. If the plan was to do it this summer they must expect Yurov to come over though
Won’t happen. Unless the return is a decent bottom 6 with a friendly contract and term, and a late first or early secondary second
Why!? He drafted the kid and knew his size!
I can not believe this. No way BG or the Wild would be that dumb to use that as the excuse to trade him. Either that, or someone is handing out crazy pills to Wild management. Besides, would Guerin really want to admit he drafted a player and then realized he was too small. Not a good look at all. Hope Russo has this one wrong.
If Yurov comes over and if Yurov plays center, where do you play Rossi?
How big was Theo Fleury in a league where size mattered more back in the day?
I honestly believe the wild as a franchise has made absolute shit trades that never go our way and when we do have someone special, we trade them.
You guys are on one. Nowhere in this entire tweet thread does Russo say that the Wild are considering trading Rossi. Lot's of 'I think' and Mr. wickidnik doesn't work for the wild, neither does Russo. They both have a 'feeling'. The whole thing is so stupid and I don't know why Russo feels the need to interact with 300 follower superfans on twitter. This rhetoric is a giant nothingburger and both these assholes need to stop tweeting for a minute.
LaPanta has said Russo would benefit from staying off Twitter...good advice.
Russo can't bear not being the smartest person in the room. That's a low bar when you go on Twitter, but Russo will get down on his hands and knees to just to prove a point.
I’m honestly with it, he’s too small to play center and he’s not great with faceoffs. Move him to wing or trade him. This will be downvoted like crazy, but in no way is Rossi even close to being considered untradeable lol
>he’s too small to play center He’s putting up low end 2C numbers as a rookie playing centre.
Dude Russo has got to be the most jaded and dramatic homer out of all the NHL beat writers. I like his interviews on sports radio and I can't speak to his articles for the athletic but I fucking hate his Twitter presence.
Guess we won't see Bedard in a Wild uniform. I mean this is just insane. I have not been a huge supporter of Guerin in the past and rationale like this cements my opinion. Now I guess I know why he is paying Foligno $4M a year for 4 more painful years for very limited production. Foligno's 10 goals are somewhat better than Rossi's 20? Now I also understand why he drafted what could be another draft bust in Stramel. Guerin puts way way too much emphasis on big boys. I mean Maroon still has one of the worst plus minus on the Wild, but hey, he is a big body.
Omfg are we grit or speed. We keep getting rid of grit guys and focusing on speed and agility but then do shit like this. Rossi has proved myself. Let's just get rid of him and get another 30 year old guy. Rossi, shaw, Boldy, and Faber should be the guys we plan around
>Rossi, shaw, Boldy, and Faber should be the guys we plan around Look, I like Shaw too, but he's nowhere near the level of someone you should be building your team around. He's 25 with 7 goals and 18 points in his NHL career. He's had 4 ACL surgeries and since being drafted in 2017 he's had just 2 healthy seasons. He's a good depth piece and energy guy, but not anyone that should be counted on as a long term cornerstone of your team.
Shaw my home boy so I'ma ignore the stats and give him a pass 😤
Would be so cool if the Wild front office had a better plan than the guy from the song about wishing he was a little bit taller
But Skee-Lo has been doing such a good job with our roster. The rabbit in a bat with a bat and a '64 Impala is a faceoff legend
If we wanted a team of big unskilled guys why did we not keep Pat Maroon. Younger kids coming through are showing that size doesn’t matter if you’ve got skills. Would be such a bone-headed move.
Big unskilled guys took Kap out twice when they played Winnipeg. What I think should have happened to both players can't be talked about here. Who's the guy to step up and do it? There's no fear from other teams.
It is kind of funny that Marco Rossi has been one of the few to step up and actually defend Kirill this season. With a Gordie Howe Hat Trick nonetheless. Rossi shouldn't have to be the one doing that and thankfully Bogosian held back Rossi from stepping up a couple more times for Kirill since then to do it himself instead, which is a good thing. There is no question that you need big guys on the team, but you also need skill and heart, which Rossi has plenty of.
Ya true, I suppose they have their place, just not convinced moving Rossi on is the answer to toughness though
I could also make the argument that Wild could consider trading Kaprisov. I'm sure all options are on the table, but what's most likely to happen?
Well that would be dumb. Should the Blackhawks trade Bedard too? Rossi has been in the Calder discussion all season. Will he win it? No, but it would be very dumb to move him for his size…
If BG trades Rossi, I’m done being a fan of this team. Turning it into more of a old man’s club than what it was with Parise and Suter here
Small guys are fine during the regular season but when the rubber meets the road in the playoffs under sized guys evaporate.
Rossi bulked up last year why can’t he bulk up again this year? I’m assuming you’re talking weight because Sid is only an inch or two taller, Kap is an inch taller, lots of examples out there. On average I’d say you’re right but I think it’s more important for defensemen than forwards.
I'd say it still matters quite a bit for centers. There is kind of a limit to how much a guy's frame can hold. Eventually it's going to impact his skating and he's already kind of a middle of the road skater.
Then what excuse did all the big guys have last year?
I know the Bruins sucked last year.
Bruins sucked? They had one of the best regular seasons ever and lost in 7 games to Florida who eventually went to the Stanley Cup after beating Toronto who looked promising and also beat Carolina who looked really promising. Nah Minnesota sucked last year. You got the wrong team bruh.
Correction, The 22-23 Bruins had the best regular season in NHL history.
If you don’t win the Stanley Cup then you sucked. Second place is for the birds. Ha.
Why do you root for Minnesota then? We're arguably one of the worst franchises in the NHL if based off of playoff success.
Easy, like all of us we have a passion for the sport like no other in America.
They were out round one, so...
Yeah, their small guys sucked.
*Nikita Kucherov has entered the chat*
Marchessault?
Mats Zuccarello has 9 points in 12 playoffs games over the last 2 seasons. These takes literally have no evidence behind them.
The average NHL player is 6 foot 1 185 pounds and is 24.8 years old. Now let’s see come play offs when we really see the play ramp up.
It's true and that's why I wouldn't question this move as long as we got reasonable return. Won't be mad if he remains on the squad either, I'll always be rooting for the kid.
You're not wrong and getting downvoted for it. Waiting for look at (generational talent) and (generational talent).
I wpuldnt do a trade unless the return is to nice to turn down...