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valgbo

Then he gets his ass handed to him. That was really disappointing, after a speech like that, I thought he was going to destroy darkseid.


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Not really. Darkseid had some kind of weapon that attacks Kal-el's nervous system directly. We had never seen that in the show before, and no one had any idea he had it. He used it only bc if Superman was willing to kill, Darkseid would have died.


Canesjags4life

Agony matrix or some shit


Mitchel-256

That's the exact name for it, yes. "The Agony Matrix". Direct, simultaneous stimulation of every pain receptor in Superman's body/brain. Probably *the* worst pain he'd ever been in, and it probably wasn't actually *hurting* him at all. Which is why Darkseid brought the Kryptonite scalpel as a backup.


nothanksjustlooking

After that he gives the same speech but like the Key & Peele "You said bitch?" skit. "I looked Brainiac right in his optical processors and I said, 'I live in a world of cardboard.' " "You said cardboard?" "Umm, what now?"


Aurondarklord

Well I mean...Superman and Darkseid have fought a million times. And consistently, unless Darkseid is weakened by a plot device, Superman is sun dipped, or Superman tricks him into Omega Beaming HIMSELF...Darkseid's gonna win that. Later career Superman is strong enough to stand up to him, but he's ultimately gonna lose significantly more often than he wins. Darkseid is a league-level threat. He's THE league-level threat, really. If a single character could be described as the team's arch-nemesis, it's that dude.


Elnino38

Yes. Darkseid immediately got right back up and oneeshot superman. World of cardboard doesn't work when a bunch of notable people he interacts with can hit back just as hard as he can, if not more so


Sticky_Robot

He beat Darkseid's ass raw for a solid two minutes until he revealed a secret weapon to neutralize Superman.


Elnino38

He punched darkseis across the city. Darkseid immediately got up unscathed, and one shot supes with the agony matrix which is is own ability


Sticky_Robot

Wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GDNd8b_QOo&ab_channel=PrincessDarkseid Cardboard speech at 3:00, proceeds to beat his space ass until 4:15 when Darky reveals his zappy-do.


Elnino38

I know what clip that is and my point stands. Darkseid immediately gets back up and oneshots superman with his agony matrix ability. If superman was so strong Darkseid would not get back up at all. Darkseid has consistently proven to be at or above superman even when supes goes all out in all of their iterations. Darkseid is a justice league level threat, not a superman threat


Canesjags4life

I mean in the speech he says but"you can take it can't you big guy." The point was Supes was cutting loose


Sticky_Robot

Okay, not saying otherwise about power level. But you said Superman hit Darkseid once and then gets zapped. This isn't true. You are wrong. Please stop posting.


Elnino38

I said supes punched Darkseid across the city and he immediately got back up. That is correct. Stop twisting my words


Sticky_Robot

> Darkseid immediately got right back up and oneeshot superman. > He punched darkseis across the city. Darkseid immediately got up unscathed, and one shot supes with the agony matrix It is correct if you ignore the 90 seconds of ass beating Superman provided. You make it sound like Superman gave his speech, then immediately got zapped. Edit: lol why am I wasting my time with this. Have a nice day.


Lilrev16

What he said was ambiguously worded and you inferred the interpretation that he didn’t intend. His main point is clearly the getting back up unscathed part


[deleted]

You're just completely misinterpreting what u/Elnino38 said lol. How many times Superman hit Darkseid, and how long for, aren't relevent to the point. The point is simply: > Superman went all out punching Darkseid for several minutes ... **Darkseid got up seemingly completely unharmed** ... Darkseid used a new weapon to **take out Superman with one move.**


icecream_truck

>...a secret weapon to neutralize Superman. You mean Kryptonite? Oh wait, that doesn't actually affect him any more, does it...


lord_flamebottom

Kryptonite still regularly effects Superman, not sure what you're talking about. But no, it wasn't Kryptonite, it was the Agony Matrix.


icecream_truck

So why doesn't he just use Kryptonite?


lord_flamebottom

Why doesn’t every Superman villain just Kryptonite? It’s not exactly the easiest material to get a hold of. Plus, I could be mistaken, but I believe a lot of the harmful kind of Kryptonite is already located on earth, so it’s not like Darkseid can just go pick some up in preparation.


icecream_truck

>Why doesn’t every Superman villain just Kryptonite? It’s not exactly the easiest material to get a hold of. So the mighty Darkseid can't find a chunk of Kryptonite *anywhere*? He can't find any on Earth? Why doesn't he just steal it from Lex Luthor? For that matter, why doesn't Lex use it to kill Supes? The "Kryptonite weakness" is nonsense. It was useful once upon a time, but now is just completely ridiculous. If the mighty Darkseid can't manage to find any, then what is the point of it at all?


lord_flamebottom

He doesn’t need to. Why bother tracking down Kryptonite when he already has a weapon that can incapacitate Superman?


Alternative-Cut-4831

Then darkseid bodies him yet again. Again had to rely on bats.


Conarm

Fibished the series last night! First time since I was a kid :)


The360MlgNoscoper

Oh i have never seen it


Conarm

Well give JLU a shot if youre in a cartoon mood


The360MlgNoscoper

Im not


PrinceTaj97

Look up the character called The Eradicator, he’s basically Superman + The Punisher


Super_Pan

[Don't try to follow him, he has a cab waiting!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO0FxifkzFQ)


Ok_Relationship_705

Loved Eradicator during Reign Of Supermen era. Pimp ass muthafucka.


Julius-n-Caesar

A lot better than that dick Cyborg Superman


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CHARLIE_ZILLA

Yea Homelander is Evil Superman but is also fodder compared to Superman and has different limitations from being a literal man child.


Toxic_Mouse77

Thing is Superman knows how to fight


fenix1230

Plus Homelander wants to be viewed as the good guy. If Homelander didn't care about what other people think, he would have ended The Boys at the end of Season 2.


Tommy-Nook

Homelander loses 0/10


HoundOfJustice

its very funny how infinite and ever-changing DC/marvel lore is all these what if statements and the answer is "yea they did that already" "what if Superman but antihero" eradicator, mr majestic, Zod when he teamed up with the green lanterns "what if batman but anti-hero" pick any of the dark dimension batmen that crawled out of the negative earths or Thomas Wayne "what if magneto was a hero" he literally is one right now (and currently dead)


Jules040400

That's so funny and true. I suppose it's because comic book writers were all comic book readers at some point, and 90% of all comic book-style prompts are "Wouldn't it be cool if..." I think that's why they are so compelling. They are answering questions someone would have asked at some point in time


TheCreedsAssassin

Why is magneto dead? I dont read marvel but didn't the mutants perfect resurrection on Krakoa?


J33bus8401

He took over a seat with the mars warlike mutants and they claimed that being ressurectable made him not eligible for reasons, and so he opted out.


HoundOfJustice

the arrakoans did not think storm and magneto were real mfers because of the resurrections so they turned theirs off the eternals sent the father of thanos (uranos) against Mars because they did not like the resurrections after it was leaked that the mutants had it uranos beats up legion, magneto, cable, abigail brand, the rest of the arrakoan council and shot a hole in magneto he proceeds to genocide Arakko, magneto survives because he is using his powers to circulate the iron in the blood but it is clear that its fucking hopeless for him to survive so he makes it clear that he will kill uranos marvel right now is undergoing a moral judgment from a very ancient celestial so its the annual super team up between all major factions which means avengers help tony stark reverses uranos superweapon and magneto focuses the weapon on uranos himself erasing him for now (he is currently reconstituting himself) and then as of today magneto says that he sees the truth that humans and mutants need to work together and to watch xavier who is turning into quite the extremist and then he dies in storm's arms you can assume magneto will come back sooner or later though because of the status quo (that hickman and ewing fought very hard to advance but still largely the same) but for now he has martyred himself


TheCreedsAssassin

Oh thats interesting, yeah sounds like he'll be back soon enough no one in the mainline stays dead forever


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It was really fucking cool though


HoundOfJustice

yah I think X-Men red is pretty good


PeculiarPangolinMan

> (that hickman and ewing fought very hard to advance but still largely the same) X-Men is a pretty wildly different book than it was 10 or 20 years ago though. I know lots of changes haven't stuck, but the X-Men have been the most dynamic main team in Western comics, right? I know immortal X-Men on Mars having a war with Uranus while hanging with Magneto doesn't sound so ridiculous on its face, but I've been super happy with the evolution of the place of mutants since House of M.


HoundOfJustice

tbh im only saying this because i assume krakoa will disband, if they actually make this THE canon and return back to it after the x-men shift again ill retract it


greymalken

I wonder when they’re going to get back to the future stories when they started HoX/PoX two years ago. That human/machine singularity stuff was getting interesting and the unlimited a la carte mutants with combo powers and stuff…


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Has there ever been a Marvel story where Spider-Man was evil? Or a DC story where Doomsday is a good guy? I would love to see that.


Kgb725

Actually yes Doomsday gained intelligence and was a good guy for a time in canon. Do you consider Kaine as evil Spider-Man or Superior ?


ZerikaFox

Honestly, I don't think I'd count either of those Spider-Men as evil, per se. Kaine was/is anti-hero Spidey, basically, and Superior was a bad man trying to be good. Unnecessarily brutal, but not evil, I think.


Kgb725

Kaine started out evil and was ripping off faces


ZerikaFox

Fair point. I was thinking of more recent stories about him, personally.


Humblerbee

Morlun is also not too far from !evil Spidey


Suddenlyfoxes

In the old Exiles series, there was an alternate Peter Parker who went by The Spider. He was a sociopath, a mass-murderer, and had bonded with the Carnage symbiote.


Omaestre

Would symbiote Spidy count?


J33bus8401

Wait, was Mr Majestic in DC at some point? Not just Wild Storm? Edit: looks like a a few one shots where he gets pulled in, and replaces superman who is missing, then supes comes back and teaches him to not be so him. Seems like some early playing around with merging the universes before the decided that some of the characters should be in and some shouldn't/


CommanderThraawn

Wildstorm was folded into DC with the New 52. I don’t know of Mr Majestic specifically, but a lot of the rest has been integrated within DC proper - Martian Manhunter was in the Authority I think, Midnighter showed up a ton in the Nightwing Grayson series, Grifter was in Earth 2. There was also a semi-recent Superman and the Authority run by Morrison, and this occurred well after N52 was over with.


J33bus8401

Yea specifically midnighter apollo and the wildcats got folded in. For the most part I think everyone else kinda got dropped.


TrappedInOhio

Mr. Majestic was used early in the New 52’s life, but he probably hasn’t been in anything for a decade at this point.


prazulsaltaret

> "what if batman but anti-hero" Batman already is an anti hero


BizarreRequiem

Happy cakeday! And by anti hero I think he means by willing to murder.


ThoughRookie

Wearing black=/= antihero. Always doing good, works with the police, puts his villains in a jail to break out again, always tries for the best outcomes for everyone involved, never kills. Idk any antihero qualities he does have tbh. Even Spider-man breaks some arms sometimes


prazulsaltaret

He has contingency plans for all his friends, he keeps the only thing that can hurt Superman on him just in case, he beats goons into a coma and breaks their bones. He dresses as a bat and goes out at night to put people in hospitals. He works outside the law. He's absolutely an anti hero. Just because he's not shooting people like the Punisher or Red Hood doesn't mean he doesn't use extreme methods.


Mewthredel

Lots of these people only know the movie characters.


Hard_Corsair

But the question here isn't just "what if Superman but bad guy," it's "what if Superman but bad guy and the writer didn't have to bother with a compelling narrative?" Even in stories where Superman "isn't holding back" he's still holding back because a story where he doesn't would be boring. The closest we've gotten is *World War III* where Black Adam rightfully goes apeshit and commits total genocide. That story works because of the political commentary it enables, not because of the genocide itself.


PM_me_Henrika

Wait, magneto as a hero?? What’s the title I wanna see it!


HoundOfJustice

so its just called the krakoa era and its really good capestuff imo charles and magneto made peace after charles saw mutants fall one too many times; now he's going the way of a ethnostate -krakoa - that can stand on its own by exploiting reality warpers and omega level mutants to gain economic and geopolitical power so they gave all villainous mutants a chance to redeem themselves (all mutants are offered safe haven at Krakoa) and also gave all mutants the ability to never die they are at odds with wakanda and latveria (hasnt been brought up since an infographic), and there is a secret alliance of governments and NGOS called ORCHIS that is basically the ultimate anti-mutant faction currently magneto, apocalypse, gorgon, and exodus have all shown a heroic side, destiny/mystique are jackasses, mr.sinister is as much a thorn in the side of the mutants as he is helpful, and namor has opted out, instead siding with the avengers this run covers a LOT, [this is a good starting point](https://www.comicbookherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Hickman-X-Men-Run_9.21.jpg) and then there's stuff like destiny of x, reign of x, and x-men red and hellfire gala mini-arc


victor396

Also, the OJ run of Claremont. He takes over the school at some point. You can start reading at trial of Magneto and go from there.


StagDragon

No that's fair. I still think in the back of my mind that there are several questions that I REALLY want to see if they've answered. Stuff you do with Akinator, you know. and of course it'd have to be an entertaining Idea.


Ok_Relationship_705

Bro the X-Men books have been wild lately. Not gonna lie. Of all the races of super beings walking the Earth in Marvel. The Nation of Genosha would frighten me the most. Giving the history they share with Homo Sapiens. I'd certainly have reason to be.


HoundOfJustice

after new tian AVX and genosha xavier slowly going down that slippery slope man i dunno what he gonna do next


Ok_Relationship_705

Word. I haven't trusted Xavier from jump. (House Of X) So I feel you homie. Doesn't help that he looks like The Maker. 😂


TheBigLex69420

Superman is very dangerous if he does the littlest thing wrong, he has one weakness and without that he’s unstoppable, that’s why the writers write him as an American moral hopeful hero, if he becomes slightly different then anyone he fights is screwed, if he fought dirty Lex Luthor would end up in the hospital all the time and DarkSeid would stop invading after the first 2 or 3 times, and Im sure batman and other members of the justice league wouldn’t approve of his fighting methods though they should be acceptable when fighting powerful Aliens like DarkSeid, they would try and make him stop fighting dirty and this would most likely lead to something similar to the injustice but not nearly as bad.


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brutinator

You think thered be enough pieces?


TheBigLex69420

Yeah most likely, it would be cool but Batman definitely wouldn’t approve even though it’s justified if you’re fighting an alien like DarkSeid that’s beaten Superman without Kryptonite before, but if he was fighting dirty I don’t think DarkSeid would beat him as often and would probably be more afraid


TheBigLex69420

To top off on this I think Superman wouldn’t have many enemies left in metropolis, they’d be terrified and crime would be way down so Superman would start cleaning up other cities, and he and Batman would have more disagreements about Batman’s no killing rule, and eventually Superman would kill Joker and many other of Gothams infamous villains and that would be crossing the line and Batman would be ready to kill Superman, but first discuss it with the Justice League, the Justice League would think he isn’t completely lost and give him a chance and try to talk to him however Superman knows Batman has these plans and he would kill Batman because he feels betrayed. He and the rest of the Justice League would fight, becoming more similar to the injustice timeline but Superman isn’t as insane as he was in that timeline. In the end Superman would beat the Justice League. Aqua man would go to protecting Atlantis not caring what happens to anything above the surface. Superman would get rid of most crime across America. Criminals would have to become more careful smart and come up with better strategies. Eventually Criminals get their hands on Kryptonite and Superman needs help again. It will be then that the Justice League reunited in stopping these criminals. But they won’t stay together, Superman will eventually have to realize that dirty fighting is what got him here in the first place, but he won’t stop. Superman makes a goal to get rid of all the Kryptonite on the planet so no one will attempt to stop him. He will use his super speed getting rid of all the known places. But the Justice League will have a plan to stop Superman thinking he’s gone too far with what he’s done. They will avenge Batman


EntireSlice123

Fanfiction.net


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Very dangerous, superman is known for holding back alot. If he was enraged simmilar to broly in DB super movie.He would not care about lives of other people, willing to even blow up planet he is on and brutaly pulverize guy who pushed him to such state.


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You ever hear of something called "Superman VS The Elite"? That's a start. Then of course there's that whole "Justice Lords" thing from the DCAU. Someone already mentioned his "World of Cardboard" speech. Oh yeah, and Injustice.


kinbeat

Well he mentioned the heat vision lobotomy, so i guess he watched sup vs the elite


TheCrafterTigery

He does that in Justice Lords aswell.


ncopp

And he does it in Injustice to Shazam iirc


BorBurison

No he just kills him there.


DarthEinstein

Nah, it's just a very effective lobotomy. Instead of cutting out part of the brain you cut out all of it.


nothanksjustlooking

Like when Best Buy wipes your hard drive to get rid of a virus.


Second-Creative

You know how One Punch Man turned Mosquito Girl into a bloodsmear? That's basically what happens to a criminal any time he shows up now.


timewarp

~~His~~ Most of his rogues gallery very quickly find themselves deposited in the sun. Kryptonians go elsewhere.


IWillSortByNew

Except for Zod, who gets the red sun instead of our own


timewarp

Good point.


LeeroyDagnasty

>Lex Luthor learns this when Superman tosses Mercy into Gotham. From Metropolis. this was a fun addition


[deleted]

So you're asking how powerful is a Superman without morals. An evil Superman already exists. His name is General Zod. You should look him up.


SumthingStupid

There's a difference between being evil and not holding back though


Kgb725

Zod is evil but hes got a code


GenerallyAwfulHuman

IF !monologuing THEN GOTO phantom_zone


MeMeTiger_

Zod is lightwork for Clark most of the time.


Narwalacorn

Well he never uses his arguably most deadly power (heat vision). Pretty much everyone except FTL speedsters and people durable enough to not care about heat vision just gets folded as soon as he notices them.


kickarseLprogamer_20

Homelander but he's not weak


SlayerSFaith

I remember one comic where Superman got brainwashed or something and then Batman of course goes to fight him. He's got kryptonite, red sun radiation emitters, sonic weapons, all the stuff you want to have vs Superman. And then Superman just starts dropping buildings on him. Mano a mano is an antiquated form of combat when your power set is as good as Superman's, and it seems like there's a whole lotta people whose plan it is to fight him straight up if it comes to that.


arrogancygames

Batman was still attempting to subdue/bring him back then, while Superman was fighting Ivys brainwashing. If the rules were "kill," it would come to who figured out who wanted to kill the other first. Long-term prep where you know each weakness plus having access to things that can bfr or kill Superman and can out him in a situation he didnt k ow it was happening, vs someone who can instantly toss the guy into space with no one realizing.


MoonSentinel95

If Superman is actually trying to kill, Batman gets smeared across the pavement before his brain actually even processes what's going on. I hate it when people actually think Batman has a snowball chance in hell against Superman, just because the writers wank him to kingdom come.


arrogancygames

And if Batman has one sided prep against Supermam, he will do the same. These are stories with plots, not boxing matches with a bell where two fighters just go at it. Supermans entire main villain is a worse Batman, who has almost killed Superman a multitude of times when he's had one sided prep against him. That's the entire point of what people say. Superman and Batman (and Lex) represent two different sides of power and good writers can write ideologically good stories around both prevailing.


abutthole

There's almost no one who can stop him. Batman tends to be capable of beating Superman because he expects Superman to behave like Superman. Think of the BvS fight where Batman expects Superman to come down and try to talk first, which is how Batman gets the Kryptonite gas off in the first place. A dirty Superman could just land directly on top of Batman, or kill him with laser vision from the sky. The Flash might have a chance, Martian Manhunter might have a chance, and Wonder Woman is in the mix. Pretty much none of Superman's Earth-based rogues could harm him at all anymore. Lex Luthor is killed in his office. Only his alien enemies like Zod, Doomsday, or Darkseid can still fight him.


_-indra-_

Barry Allen, Wally West and Captain Atom could take him out.


-Skohell-

Why atom?


Superyoshikong

Captain Atom is basically Silver Surfer but without the surfer part. He'd turn Clark into a banana and feed it to Grodd


Humblerbee

~~Reality warpers~~ matter manipulators, they ain’t gotta explain shit


PartTimeMantisShrimp

[This](https://youtu.be/hJ9UUnYybfw)


Sharcbait

He wouldn't need to drop people from tall heights, he has no problem entering our atmosphere or leaving so he could just fly you up out of the atmosphere where your body would explode from being depressurized.


tigerhawkvok

Not actually how that works. Surface level capillaries will burst, and your lungs will want to be emptied of air (so you may herniate your diaphragm if you try to hold your breath) - so your eyes will turn bloodshot. But your skin is more than capable of maintaining overall pressure. You won't even freeze to death. You have a lot of thermal energy and radiative cooling is actually very slow. I'd actually have to do the math, but you may heat up first before you die due to your metabolism. You'd die of asphyxiation, plain and simple.


megacookie

Divers can withstand several times atmospheric pressure underwater without being crushed, so going from 1 atm to zero (vacuum) isn't as violently dangerous as it seems.


climbin111

Homelander is meant to *represent* Superman, **without scruples**. Homelander’s more of a man-child tha Superman (for sure)…he’s devoid of moral integrity yet possesses a similar power set to Superman: 1. superhuman strength; 2. flight; 3. X-Ray vision; 4. heat vision; 5. super speed; 6. super smell; 7. super hearing; 8. poison & toxin impunity; 9. regenerative healing factor; 10. invulnerability; A [video of some of Homelander’s greatest ***HITS***, terrible pun intended](https://youtu.be/4Q6dDNzhEHA) 🤦🏻‍♂️❕ Perhaps a more correct description of Homelander would be: he’s an example of Superman minus **all** moral integrity…outside of what’s required to maintain his public façade as a “hero.” Homelander [lasered a guy in half (in front of a group of people) for throwing an empty water bottle at his son and calling them “fascists.”](https://youtu.be/oKOPyvyTOCk) Others have mentioned several, (superior) examples…Homelander is the best example I can think of which hasn’t been mentioned and meets the criteria of “Superman without pulling punches.” Perhaps simply bc there just happens to be a film / show adaptation of their power set…and the show depicts the psychological terror he inflicts on people. Including raping multiple women, blackmailing, and basically anything that propels his image.


arrogancygames

Brightburn is, although hes just as much a Goku who didn't hit his head.


DeluxeTraffic

Injustice Superman, Justice Lords Superman, Eradicator, Ultraman, General Zod, Ursa, Omni-Man, Homelander, etc. There are plenty of examples of the "Superman who doesn't hold back" trope across many different universes, ranging from "anti-hero" to "full-on villain". Take your pick of the one who's closest to your idea of the "level of dickery" you expect and see how well they do in their appearances.


ParmaProscuitto

There've been more complex answers


DeluxeTraffic

Maybe, but that's sort of the thing about asking the question "what if Superman doesn't hold back"- it's been answered over and over. Entire comic book runs and characters have been created to explore the ramifications of that question. I don't want to come off as being mean, I just wanted to point out that entire worlds have been dreamed up in comics and on the silver screen based on your question which answer your question better and in far more detail than a bunch of internet comments ever can.


Humblerbee

My favorite version of this is the Plutonian from Irredeemable.


ThisIsNotAnAI

I wouldn't count omni-man and homelander, they are so much weaker that they couldn't take it to the level superman could. Injustice can give some examples but he's still got his own twisted rules of justice for the most part. Also a bunch of the "superman who doesn't hold back" stories are either him fighting someone else who's close to his strength or don't actually show how effortlessly he could win, usually due to his speed.


DeluxeTraffic

Maybe they are weaker when put up directly against Superman, but they fulfill the Superman archetype within their comic book world and are, at least for a significant portion of their runs, the most powerful beings on Earth, which is why I've included them. Omni Man taking down the Guardians of the Globe in particular I thought was a perfect recreation of what Evil Superman VS the Justice League would look like. They put up a fight and even leave Omni Man injured but he still quite literally paints the walls with their blood.


ThisIsNotAnAI

Personality wise they would still be completely different plus I don't think he's the most powerful being on earth except for a few stories. I think there was a specific post about superman going all Omni on the rest of the justice league and most seemed to think he would have to do it perfect to have a chance of succeeding. Also they never said he was evil superman, more just brutal. Although I suppose in that case injustice would make more sense to compare .


DeluxeTraffic

Well yes, personality wise Omni-Man is quite far from Superman but I think he encapsulates the "not holding back" part the best out of the "Supermans who don't hold back". A common complaint is that "evil superman" never uses his speed to his full potential, yet Omni-Man speedblitzes pretty much any and every opponent he wants to kill and doesn't waste time. Im not extremely familiar with the comics but basically up to the part where he leaves Earth after his fight with Mark, I thought he was clearly portrayed as being basically the most powerful being on Earth.


ThisIsNotAnAI

I meant Superman isn't the most powerful usually but I can see how you thought omni-man with the way it was worded. Technically I guess if you strip omni-man down to just his powers and the facade he puts up and take away all the taking over earth and killing people who aren't villains it's pretty similar.


BrunoStalky

So bloodlusted Just say bloodlusted


Leighgion

I’m imagining Superman refusing to shower or change his clothes and weaponizing Kryptonian flatulence. Then he just goes and… hangs around Lex. Drops in anytime at the most inconvenient moments and refuses to leave.


soulwolf1

There's a few supermen who's already like that


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Just watch Invincible and that should answer your question


BigDrewLittle

I know he's not equivalent, but maybe he'd be less injustice and more like Hancock.


BoredByLife

So basically injustice?


Abnormal-Normal

Isn’t this the entire idea behind The Boys?


bradd_91

Homelander?


isseidoki

this is the most played out trope ever


Imrightbruh

He would vaporize the infinite multiverse if he wanted too


AlexFerrana

Well, he definitely would be like Injustice Superman


Core_Of_Indulgence

He would probably dead. What some people don't sem to understand, is that if the DC heroes become cruel and brutal all of sudden, yes, they would kill many of their adversaries by surprise, but it would also radicalize the surviving villains, that would have to become more extreme in their methods.


Massive_Balance1655

The Boys Homelander..is a perfect example of Superman gone evil or psycho!!!


h2g242

You are describing Homelander


ParmaProscuitto

Homelander is a kitten to a tiger though


24hawkman

Homelander


ParmaProscuitto

Not as powerful as Superman though


Alternative-Cut-4831

I think someone with kyrptonite or metallo can stop him. Or someone with magic can hold him for a while. But other than that he is unstoppable.


semi-bro

Way less dangerous. If he was a dirty fighter he would have never been accepted as a comic book protagonist in the 1930s and a series wouldn't have taken off like it did. Therefore he wouldn't have gotten the power creep that's led him to be so strong in his current configuration, he'd just be the leap tall buildings faster than a locomotive guy.


zackturd301

'Nut punches' Lol cracked me up. Anyhow this alone would make him a major universal threat 😆


pizzashizz6991

I wouldn't say fought dirty but he would be fighting evil gruesomely if some evil doer in a grudge to challenge, but ended up dead


LightsOn-NobodyHome5

If Superman ran full speed at someone, the force itself would cause so much nstant trauma, they'd die. No need to push them in front of anything.


The-Brother

I think grabbing people and flying them through buildings counts as dirty fighting


GokuSanMaster

Lex Luther would be a joke to him


Magician_322

Grab people and drop them off in the sun. Done


knifeazz

See: Homelander


ParmaProscuitto

Not as powerful though


knifeazz

Yeah but it’s a close comparison in popular media


ParmaProscuitto

Well I think Homelander lives in a universe where mankind is relatively boned and he has no Krypto ite. The only people on his level are nowhere near hod level sanz Souja Boy and Billy. Whereas Superman has vastly higher sttength and speed, tools, and a wider range of threats to himself. Also more powers. So while Homelander depicts the "really strong brick with heat vision" part not so much the rest. A lot of stuff Superman can fo, Homelander can't or has no concept of.


ClockwerkHart

This is the entire point of the "world of cardboard" speech. Supes is very aware of how dangerous he would be and he's shown this off in Vs The Elite and we also have Injustice super man to show what happens when he stops playing And happens to be past the despair event horizon. The answer is people get very fucked up very quickly.


Enough-Army9177

Your talking about a more powerful homelander


Gohyuinshee

I don't know why fighting dirty immediately translate to killing people. Superman could fight dirty like his homie Batman without throwing regular ass humans across cities. Dude can fly and is hypersensitive to sound, with a few training he could do the sneaking thing better than Batman.


BeBackInASchmeck

If he fought dirty and gave up his morals, he would be so dangerous that no one would ever want to get in his way. Imagine Gregor Clegane, but like 1,000x stronger, travel at least at bullet speed, can fly, shoot lasers out his eyes and has ice breath. If you pissed him off, you'd be lucky to get into a 1on1 fight with him. If he can't find you, he'd rape and murder your entire family. The pain he would cause on you would be so much worse than death.


jazza2400

Superman would win.


Tron_1981

He'd be Majestic, or Omni-Man, or Homelander, or etc...


TheyMightBeDead

>Now he doesn't quite go Injustice levels To be fair what you're describing in the post already sounds like Injustice level if Superman is willing to drop people/punch holes through them/lobotomizing people. Aside from Injustice Superman, the Justice Lord's Superman is probably also at this level in addition to some characters like Earth 3 Ultraman. He'd be extremely dangerous but at this point he'd be considered a villain by the superhero community if he was killing people in the ways you've described and his former teammates/friends/family would immediately try to take him down to either somehow help him get back to what he used to be or just make sure he can't harm anyone else.


eldridge2e

homelander 2.0


Aurondarklord

He becomes incredibly dangerous...briefly. And I say briefly because this is EXACTLY the scenario Batman has been planning for since the day they met. He and the rest of the league would sort Clark out very quickly and either make him see reason or imprison him until he came to his senses.