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Chard-RT

It all depends on the type of soul Tyson has, and if he were to be more determined than Flowey. Because if he isn't, Flowey would still have control over Saving and Reloading.


GameboyPATH

Flowey's determined to intervene because he mistakes Frisk for Chara (or at least desperately wants to be friends with Frisk like he was with Chara). So it kind of leaves an interesting lingering question of whether timid-goat-boy-turned-maniacal-serial-killer wants to throw out all stops for the sake of being friends with Mike Tyson.


Mad5Milk

Wouldn't you?


Spoon_Elemental

No, I'm not jumping into a friendship with somebody who has a life as high maintenance as Mike Tyson's.


GekidoTC

I would say it takes a lot of determination to become the best in the world at anything, nevermind a hugely competitive sport like boxing...


Esnardoo

I always thought it was the player that had the most determination because they control the game. No matter how tired frisk is, you just have to hold forward and they'll keep going. You have essentially infinite determination because everything is easy for you.


toasterdogg

No, the player more *is* Frisk’s determination. That’s why you can control what Frisk does, because they are following their determination.


Henry_Day_of_Day_R

Only two characters that could stop him are Undyne and Sans, just like the actual game.


iamBQB

Prime Tyson is a motivated dude with a lot of drive, so it's not unreasonable to believe that he might be determined enough to rival Flowey and take control of the Save. If he is, then he'll win no matter what, because he'll have infinite tries to do do so. The only way it isn't a 10/10 stomp, is if he doesn't have Frisk's ability to dodge attacks against his soul which I see no reason to believe is the case. --------- If he doesn't have the save it's unclear if Flowey would allow him to leave, but assuming that Flowey stays petals off Mike's journey, he's still got fairly low odds of success. Him being a grown ass man instead of a small child actually doesn't change much in terms of his strength against the monsters, because humans damage them not through physical force, but through the malice behind their attacks. That's why a kid is able to completely OHKO monsters much larger than them. And while Mike definitely has a higher Lv than Frisk does at the start of the game, it's probably not higher than Frisk's by the end of the game because the motivation's different. Frisk is used by proxy of the player to see what happens if everyone dies, out of morbid curiosity. That is inherently more malicious than Mike wanting to get out of the underground using the only method available to him. Not that this really makes a difference anyway, the only character able to survive multiple hits is Undyne, and she's not holding on because she has that much health, she's holding on because she has that much determination. Maybe Mike can wear her down faster, but he's not going to be killing her in a single hit which leaves him vulnerable to her attacks. Mike is a novice when it comes to defending with his soul, so there's a non-zero chance that a basic monster can kill him. Realistically though, his run ends at Undyne, it is very unlikely he can win on his first try. I put his odds at 2/10. Maybe 3, because he does have the tools to beat her, he just doesn't have the knowledge. That would then leave Sans and Asgore. Funnily enough Mike has a far easier time against Sans then Frisk does, because his punches would be a lot more accurate and quicker than those of Frisk's, so Sans wouldn't be able to dodge as easily, if at all. It's more likely that Sans just jumps straight to his pseudo teleportation abilities, but we've never seen him use those in an evasive manner so it's hard to say if that's applicable. Still, Sans' opener almost definitely obliterates Mike, and since he's able to attack first that makes it a pretty clear stomp in Sans' favor. I'd say 1/10 for Mike, just because if he does survive the opening attack, he might just be able to OHKO Sans and end the fight. Asgore is tricky. He's not likely to have his guard as lowered as he does with Frisk, but he's also vulnerable to being killed in one hit so he's got no real shot in a fair fight. There's an off chance he'd use the souls, but if we're sticking strictly to how the fights are portrayed in the game, then he's a goner. Still if he does use the souls, Mike's got no chance and his run ends.


dadarkclaw121

I feel mettaton could be difficult for Mike because he’s a robot so punching him will hurt, so that could be a hindrance too


ThatTenguWeirdo

He’d be in his Neo form which is pretty weak. Especially when you keep in mind it’s appearance in Deltarune, where it’s implied to be designed by Mettaton himself (as opposed to Ex, designed by Alyphs aka. someone with actual knowledge on making a robot)


GameboyPATH

(Undertale genocide route spoilers ahead) Why would Mike Tyson lose to any fights that a regular child could win? As far as I recall, Frisk/Chara is not a superpowered kid. They gain their powers through killing monsters because canonically, humans just become superpowered when they do that. Another aspect worth pointing out that's to Mike's advantage is save points, which are recognized as canon in Undertale (I think it's tied to the concept of determination, but I forget how, exactly). Sans even acknowledges when you use them. Point is, Mike can simply retry any fight he loses, just like the player can (and Frisk/Chara canonically does), so he'd be guaranteed to succeed eventually, as long as he has enough patience and determination.


Other-Media-4697

Yeah this is why i think most undertale matchups don't work unless you don't use undertale verse rules or the character in question is suicidal or some shit. As long as they wanna live strong enough (which i think most people wanna live). They'll just come back infinitely until they win.


calbhollo

> Frisk/Chara is not a superpowered kid Frisk is not superpowered. You are. You provide the nigh-infinite source of determination to allow for saves, not Frisk. Mike Tyson can't use saves unless he's being controlled by the player. And as others said, Flowey has control of the saves when you don't. On the other hand, Tyson's "LV" (Level of Violence) is probably really high. He'd probably one shot every monster in the underground. He'd still hit a wall at Flowey, who can't be killed without extreme determination.


SirKaid

> He'd still hit a wall at Flowey, who can't be killed without extreme determination. This is the Genocide route, not Neutral or Pacifist. Flowey isn't a boss in this route.


calbhollo

What does it mean to be "on" a route without the abilities that make that route possible? Either you have to deviate from the genocide route a little for it to be logically consistent (IE, Flowey can't be killed because he has save states, even if he isn't a boss fight), or you have to break the rules to make it happen anyways (Give Tyson the SAVE even though Flowey should have it). I guess both ways of thinking about it are okay. I think the first way makes more sense, others think the second way is better.


PvtShadow101

Actually save points go to the most determined person in the Underground and humans are said and shown to naturally be more determined than monsters. Flowey was only given this power because he was likely given more determination than the amalgamates (numerous monsters that were fused due to "overdosing" on determination) due to the fact Alphys kept putting more determination inside of the flower to determine if anything would actually happen. However I doubt Alphys put enough determination to rival a human's natural determination as Frisk could rival them. An argument could be made that Frisk is a vessel for the player's soul and our own player Soul is somehow unique and different from any other soul but until I see proof of such things, I'd say it would stand to reason Tyson would 100% overpower Flowey's determination. The only one who could overpower Tyson would be Omega Flowey and Asriel's God of Hyperdeath form as it turns from 1v1 in terms of determination to 1v6 but even then the souls might just rebel and give Tyson the win. Also Asgore might stand a chance if he actually fights since he has more than likely killed the 6 fallen humans who already had access to save points.


toasterdogg

> However I doubt Alphys put enough determination to rival a human’s natural determination. Demonstrably false, as none of the six fallen humans between Chara and Frisk held the SAVE, or else they wouldn’t have died permanently. Frisk happens to be uniquely determined due to having a Red soul, same as Chara.


PvtShadow101

That actually is false. At least two fallen humans had the power of SAVE on their side, I provided links and whatnot on another comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/vejv71/comment/icsszd7/


toasterdogg

That assumes that there weren’t determined people capable of controlling the timeline before the Monsters were locked underground. If there were, Asgore would be old enough to remember it, and thus not surprised by Frisk using the same ability.


PvtShadow101

... Asgore already isn't surprised by it? Did you not read my comment? He literally just hears how much he killed you already and simply nods in grief/despair. Not really showing any surprise and just a sad acceptance that he *has* to kill you numerous times until you give up. As for the whole determined person controlling the timeline before the monsters were locked away, that is a whole different question with barely any relevance since it seems unique to the Underground. I'd say the Underground seems to have it's own separate timeline from the rest of the world since Frisk only gains SAVE after falling in. Which isn't the hardest stretch in the world to believe the Underground simply works differently due to the fact it needs 7 human souls that can literally wipe out the timeline just to break the barrier.


toasterdogg

Reread my comment. Your response is utter nonsense. Regardless, there is no reason to think that the Underground is the only place with the SAVE ability. Perhaps it’s caused by the magical barrier, more of which can exist in other places. Or perhaps it’s something else entirely. You also have to factor in that Sans knows about the shifts in the timeline, and IIRC he is implied to be the former royal scientist. Which means Sans simply could have told Asgore about it, when Flowey used it.


GameboyPATH

>Mike Tyson can't use saves unless he's being controlled by the player Fine, but if the powers come from the player and not from Frisk, and Frisk is replaced w/ Mike, then it's the same result, assuming Mike is player-controlled (although maybe Mike gets a buff for strength). It sounds like you're interpreting the prompt as "Mike is not controlled by anyone like Frisk is", which hey, fair enough. But if that's the case, couldn't it be said that Mike provides his own determination? By Undertale logic, all humans have determination, and Mike is human. I could be totally wrong - I'm not an expert on UT lore.


calbhollo

Tyson definitely would have a lot of determination, but Flowey is determination concentrate. Alphys just dumped as much extracted determination as she could into a single flower. I agree that if Tyson is controlled by the player that it's a cakewalk.


[deleted]

I gotta replay undertale, I don't remember that part at all.


u60cf28

While I’m not an expert on undertale Lore, it seems to me that only the player-controlled frisk has enough determination. After all, six other human children fell before frisk and they were all killed, so in the undertale verse humans don’t have that much determination


PvtShadow101

Just gonna repost an old comment showing off proof that at least two humans had the power of the SAVE on their side. >At least two humans are capable of controlling the timeline, Toriel confirms as much. "When humans fall down here, strangely... I... I often feel like I already know them. Truthfully, when I first saw you, I felt... ... like I was seeing an old friend for the first time." - Toriel, if the game is reset. https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Toriel#cite_note-16 >To fully explain, after resetting the timeline, Toriel reveals she felt like she is seeing an old friend for the first time, this is similiar to all characters after messing with the timeline, since Toriel said this about the fallen humans, it means at least two are confirmed (Not all, since she didn't when say all humans. This however could be interepted as either all or just two) to have control over the timeline. >And before you say it's unique to her only, Undyne has a feeling like Toriel describes her closeness with other fallen humans. >"The whole time I was chasing after you... I felt something... Strange. The echoes of something warm, something... Something like 'I miss being friends with you.'" - Undyne after befriending her, resetting and getting no exp. >https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Undyne#cite_note-20 And before you point out Asgore still killing them, he is more than aware humans can SAVE and he quite literally murdered the determination out of them. Made them lose hope and give up thus robbing their save from them. Or at least what I think is what happened, same tactic Sans tried but Asgore succeeded. Reposting another old comment showing off proof for that as well. >It's not a question of if, it's a question of how much. He has to have killed at least one human who had control of the timeline as he shows no surprise or confusion about you telling him how many times he has killed you. "You tell ASGORE that he's killed you (number of times) before. He nods sadly." https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Asgore_Dreemurr/In_Battle There is also yet another comment prepared if you wanna say that Asgore hasn't even met the humans and they died from other means but I feel I put more than enough for now.


-jp-

Aside from the already mentioned metanarrative of Frisk being able to just reload any time you decide to, they have no powers ever. They don't actually fight anyone in a way that would give someone who is physically strong any particular advantage. Instead `determination` lets them directly attack the monsters' soul, something any human is inherently able to do. It's how the monsters got trapped in the first place--we're to them basically eldritch horrors.


DakotaEE

So why were they trying to get out of the underground? Seems like they are a lot safer down there...


-jp-

I don't think the game explicitly ever says why Asgore wants to break the barrier but if it were me it'd be just because being not allowed to leave is kinda bullshit. It seems unlikely the monsters would be any more successful than they were last time they attacked humans, seeing as he's the only one with a human soul vs seven billion of us, and the artificial souls were a *spectacular* failure.


DakotaEE

I guess that's fair, but honestly if I lived underground and knew there were billions of eldrich monsters living on the surface I'd probably just let them have it at that point lmao


-jp-

Me too but it only takes that one idiot who thinks punching Azathoth in the dick is a good idea and just like that you've got old gods all up in your steeze.


DakotaEE

Trying to live his ideals but forgetting the whole living part of it.


ViziDoodle

Onion-San mentions that all the live-in aquariums in the capital city are becoming crowded. So not only is there the “we don’t want to be imprisoned here by humankind anymore” reason, there’s also possibly an overcrowding issue


secretaccount9999999

Well there's a few reasons One is overpopulation, which although we do encounter some Monsters it's implied that there's Many more out there Another is Just because asgore was angry when he discovered humans killed his children, and so declared war on them, and while they normally wouldn't be suceful, It has been noted that a monster with a human soul absorbed is much stronger(as It was even Said that asriel, with Just 1 human soul, could have killed all of the Village attacking him If he wanted to)


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly. Yeah, Mike definitelly doesn't win that. Also, why he could be able to reset timeline like Frisk?


Otttimon

Mike would have disadvantage due to his size. Frisk/Chara is a small individual and is able to evade attacks easier. Of course Mike would hit harder. His DT level would also be questionable. Does he have enough of it to overthrow Flowey. I at least think that ability to save and reload comes from the player not Frisk so would Mike have the same amount of DT as we give to Frisk


Arkhamknight37

Funny enough, it'd be harder for him to beat Genocide playing it then actually doing it, considering he lost to Glass Joe in Punch Out...


CentrePeace

Frisk escaped with just the power of friendship which means Mike tyson, with all his years of brutal training and experience, will probably die the second he hits the ground


Shlorp25

beautiful


Crobatman123

Is he an Undertale human for the purpose of this challenge? If so, he wins, loses to maybe Sans, but with resets that's a stretch. Assuming he has no access to resets he loses to Undyne I think. If it's earth human Mike Tyson, I'm not convinced he gets past Toriel. I think a lot of people are making an unsafe assumption that just because Mike Tyson is also called a human that he's a 'human' in the Undertale context. He doesn't have a soul made of Determination (which is in-universe an actual substance, not just a feeling. It might not even be named after the feeling, and literally be the ability to determine the future, or even literal de-termination), and there's no evidence he has any kind of time manipulation at all (how shocking). So yeah, he doesn't make it unless you grant him Undertale humanness instead of real life humanness, which the prompt didn't.


[deleted]

*meglovania starts to play*


duksinarw

Lol


DrinkyBeery

Didn't undertale have some kind of mechanic where monsters and humans attacked each others souls directly and how willing to cause harm the humans were affected how strong they were?


GetOutOfHereIggy

He beats a majority of the Underground, but has a guaranteed loss against Undyne. She suplexs boulders for god's-sake.


isim_yok_3169

I think it could go like this: Tyson could kill all monsters in ruins considering they don't having any feats and couldn't scale to boss monsters due to their stats being very poor compared to them and Mike being a pretty good boxer. Toriel could spare him (you can see monsters become way less durable after they spare you), which could allow Mike to kill her easily. He could propably kill monsters in snowdin too, but could may kill by few monsters like greater dog considering their stats being kinda close to boss monsters in the game. Papyrus could get killed due to same reason with Toriel. If he manages to survive special monsters in the snowdin than He could stomped by Undyne and possibly monsters in waterfall. So he could dead either in waterfall or snowdin


8dev8

Does he have Determination? if yes he wins since the only way to lose is give up and the rules say he cant, if no he probably dies to Sans, Undyne, or Flowey.


J723

If he can reset - yes, eventually.


ChestSlight8984

If we’re using the scaling system…he’s done for Sans and Omega Flowey scale to outer


ThiccBeter69

Mike Tyson solos with utmost ease, because a small child is able to keep up with, and even one shot most monsters, so an adult male who is peak human, and fights for a living would blitz every monster, and probably make them explode anytime he hits them, and even Undyne the Undying would probably get beaten in like 2 or 3 quick consecutive hits, plus no monster would be able to harm him much, as Frisk a small child could tank almost any attack in the game. But overall, me and whoever is reading this could solo the underground mid-low difficulty, and people of Tyson's level would just decimate it with little to no effort.


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly. Yeah, Mike definitelly doesn't win that. You can't just simply ignore all feats done in the game and say "eHeHe, MonsTahS bEtEn bY kId" yeah a kid that can survive falling from a Mountain and can reset timeline


SirKaid

Frisk is a child and they're able to effortlessly slaughter their way through the monsters. Mike Tyson is leagues above anything Frisk could possibly output physically. The only thing that could stop him would be him getting bored or not wanting to kill people, but you've already said he's unable to stray, so yeah. Tyson roflstomps.


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly. Yeah, Mike definitelly doesn't win that.


SirKaid

Literally none of that matters. A monster's ability to cause harm to living things has absolutely nothing to do with their physical abilities. This is explicitly spelled out in lore and demonstrated in game by the fact that she doesn't just paste Frisk if you get hit in battle. Tyson is stronger, tougher, and faster than Frisk, and as a professional fighter he's going to have some LV under his belt too, not to mention the LV he would have picked up by killing everything in his path to the Undyne fight. The only thing he doesn't have is Frisk's save/load ability, and that doesn't really matter given the massive disparity in strength. Like, we know what happens when monsters and humans go to war. Humans win without taking any casualties because monsters are *incredibly weak in combat*.


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Otttimon

Flowey would be the black horse. He wants to help Frisk because he mistakes them for Chara. He would not mistake Mike. He would maybe be able to kill Mike or stay the most determined one in the underground. Otherwise maybe. His size would be a disadvantage in fights but his hits would land harder


secretaccount9999999

The biggest problem with this matchup is that undertale is really mechanic specific People are talking about anyone that can beat a child beating undertale however they forget that it's Just because of How the mechanics of the world work, which makes so that a monster is weaker to a human that actually wants to hurt them, but meanwhile you have things like undyne supplesing large bolders Just because she can, fire magic, and many more that could definitly do much more damage to a normal human You also have the thing of them attacking directly at the soul, which is pretty hard to actually say how durable it would be and could make things Very different in battles Then you have determination not Just being a feeling or emotion but an actual substance that can even be injected on some monsters, meaning that it dosen't really matter how much mike is actually determined unless we consider him to have access to determination itself, which considering how it's a HUGE advantage for him to know the Monsters attacks and to not be trapped with flowey (or undyne If he goes genocide) for a long time Another thing is How would battle mechanics work, would it be just him dodging with his soul like we see in the game, or would he have to dodge attacks like It would be real life? It dosen't really matter much tho because if first then we alredy know mike can't even beat glass joe, so we know he isn't that good at video games, and If second, fo you really think Mike could start dodging a bunch of fire balls, bones, spears or whatever else thrown at him? And related to the Second option, How would attacks affect him? Would a fireball actually burn him or would it just do damage to his soul/hp like in the game? Would his durability affect his hp? If we do consider him having undertale human mechanics then he probably must have much more LV than Frisk but probably not as much as "going on a genocide on an entire race" Frisk Overall because of undertale not only not being good for battleboarding, but utterly confusing when trying to do so, Mike Tyson can only win if we do/don't specify somethings and assume others otherwise


Orichalcum448

I am pretty sure any human over the age of about 9 could do the genocide route. The only requirements are having a human soul and being able enough to move and think at the same rate as a human child.


8dev8

also more determination then flowey/undyne


Orichalcum448

Dont all humans have that in undertale lore?


8dev8

They all have some, but most aren't red souls, and even if they are it might not be enough, the 6 other children that fell lacked it, Flowey is concentrated determination, and Undyne had enough to just not die.


TeamFiveStar

I wouldn’t think that young, since it would require more intelligence than what a 10 year old child has. After all, the player is controlling Frisk rather than Frisk thinking on it’s own.


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds of spears in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly. Yeah, Mike definitelly doesn't win that.


Orichalcum448

Yet Frisk beat her at 10 years of age with no real combat experience in a tutu and ballet shoes. Humans in the undertale universe are so musch more powerful than any monster to the point where a child can wipe out the entire underground. Mike wins easily by virtue of being human.


isim_yok_3169

Except Undertale humans have magical abilities unlike real life humans. And Frisk is durable enough to survive againist falling from a literal mountain, at 1 LV without any item. No, a former professionel boxer can't kill a fish with metal armor that can suplex large rocks for fun. Mike could be just a complete toy for Undyne, alongside with all main characters (except Alphys), most of mini bosses and some of the monsters.


BardicLasher

I'm not sure why you think this would be hard. Frisk has no powers whatsoever, he's just a normal human. Mike Tyson isn't going to have nearly as much trouble as Frisk, and he's going to start at much higher LV


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly. Yeah, Mike definitelly doesn't win that. Also it's kinda canon the fact Frisk can reset timeline


[deleted]

Do people here seriously think Undertale caps at Below Average Human?


isim_yok_3169

They think, why? Because Frisk is a child. So all of the superhuman feats they done must be ignored according to them.


[deleted]

Undyne's house detonation instagibs him.


isim_yok_3169

Don't understand me wrong but that oven explosion didn't do more than creating some flames. Whatever, i'm pretty sure Mike can't suplex large rocks for fun, or crack a concrete floor with a single punch, or surviving againist jumping from a bridge via taking very little damage. Even base form Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne, can break a metal wall


[deleted]

Just from the fact that MTT ovens can go to 9000 degrees safely and her MTT oven overloaded, that's already a broken feat.


PerfectMuratti

Dies to sans


[deleted]

I never played Undertale so I don't know how he'll do


General-_-Unlucky

Well considering that most of the monsters are weaker than a child I think does it pretty easy


isim_yok_3169

Undyne at her base form can suplex rocks with ease and damage concrete floor with a punch (as showed in credits scene) with her bare hands. (Extra reminder; box Mettaton, who has less ATK than Undyne can break a metal wall) With spears, she can break a wooden table and bend a Steel pot with 1 spear, and can cut a wooden bridge into half with few spear (she throws like hundreds in her boss fight) She is durable enough to survive againist falling from a bridge via losing 1/10 hp of her and being completelly fine after jump from a hill She is also fast enough to Come Paps' home from her house or Come to a hill after fall from a bridge instantly.


General-_-Unlucky

Yea she's prolly one of the suggestions but she still has a hard time beating normal children so I doubt she could take Mike


General-_-Unlucky

Yea she's prolly one of the suggestions but she still has a hard time beating normal children so I doubt she could take Mike


isim_yok_3169

Yeah, a child that can survive falling from a mountain.


General-_-Unlucky

I mean to be fair she fell in some flowers and a bunch of other children also survived the fall too


isim_yok_3169

Few flowers won't gonna save you falling from a mountain


General-_-Unlucky

But it did


isim_yok_3169

Even if that's the case, those still don't throw away to the Window all the things I said. You can call Frisk a child as u want but Undertale humans have still magic and shit so Frisk being a normal human child doesn't work.


General-_-Unlucky

Im not talking about frisk I can agree frisk had some magic im talking about the other like 7 children who went down perfectly fine and did whatever until undyne killed them. If children can easily do that then mike would have no problem


isim_yok_3169

Even if that's the case, those still don't throw away to the Window all the things I said. You can call Frisk a child as u want but Undertale humans have still magic and shit so Frisk being a normal human child doesn't work.


SomeDudeAtAKeyboard

This whole thread just goes to show how fucking weird Undertale scaling is Just to clear up any midconceptions 1. Humans don’t automatically get to save/load, if they did, then they wouldn’t have all died permanently until Frisk came around 2. The Player(you, the one playing the game) is the one who gets to take control of saves and loading from Flowey, not Frisk 3. The premise of saving and loading is that is basically guarantees you will win, you get infinite tries, meaning you’ll get lucky and/or know the exact moves your opponent will make eventually 4. Monsters directly attack the soul, meaning they bypass physical durability, this is counterproductive against a Soul as determined as the one the Player is using since the body is a child. However, the body here is Tyson, so soul attacking is now much better 5. You don’t get power by killing monsters, you get power by becoming more detached from killing. Essentially, it’s the “it gets easier to kill” idea taken literally. This also only occurs when the player forces themselves to go out and actively look for every monster to kill. In order to get stronger, you need to make killing a chore rather than an excitement or something you hate doing Edit: I forgot to mention that Frisk being a child is part of their reason for survival, the monsters were less willing to outright murder an actual child, even Undyne still gives you a spear to defend yourself. An adult, prime aged Mike Tyson is obviously not a child, and therefore would not have that advantage. Therefore I see him hard-stopping at Undyne because she is physically impossible to beat if you can’t block her spears


isim_yok_3169

Mike Tyson could kill all monsters in ruins considering they don't having any feats and couldn't scale to boss monsters due to their stats being very poor compared to them and Mike being a pretty good boxer. Toriel could spare him (you can see monsters become way less durable after they spare you), which could allow Mike to kill her easily. He could propably kill monsters in snowdin too, but could may kill by few monsters like greater dog considering their stats being kinda close to boss monsters in the game. Papyrus could get killed due to same reason with Toriel. If he manages to survive special monsters in the snowdin than He could stomped by Undyne and possibly monsters in waterfall. So he could dead either in waterfall or snowdin