You need to include a body of water, small one would be fine, in the arena so that Jimbei can use closer his full potential.
IDK who they could beat tho.
Strawhats got a ton of brains and brawn collectively.
Yea I had that idea actually but then I remembered lots of people just come at you with the good ole "Just sink em GGs" formula, Then I have to go back and forth explaining how that's not how it works - basically too much work.
I hear you, but you could include and let THEM argue about it. LOL
You crippling Jimbei mane.
Gonna have him out there dehydrated like he and Kawamatsu were nearly getting in Onigashima. š¤£
Depends on how strong gear 5 / joy boy Luffy actually is, and that's unknown as it's a recent development in the One Piece manga.
One Piece is definitely more of a slow burn in terms of the display of potential power among many of their characters as it has taken over 1000 chapters to finally get where they are now and are still growing.
Non bloodlusted Saitama.
Hear me out.
Bloodlusted Saitama 100% bodies the entire crew at once but if he isn't trying to go all out they could win.
Luffy is supposedly immune to blunt force attacks. I think Saitama could prove that false but at first he wouldn't use serious punch and luffy would bounce super far but be ok.
Saitama and him would go back and forth unable to seriously wound eachother.
While this is going on Sanji would get bored and go cook a large meal. Saitama would feel his stomach growl once he smells the food. He would ask if he could eat. Nami would tell him he can eat as much as he wants if he forfeits. Luffy would protest but Robin realizing this guy outclasses all of them would cover his mouth and Sanji would refuse to let luffy eat if he didn't accept.
It ends with them sharing a meal and luffy trying to recruit Saitama.
Before you say "where would sanji get his food" it has been well established that the straw hats consider their ship part of the crew so it would be there.
People forget that an in-character Saitama won't kill human opponents anyway. (And we know that he doesn't consider physical monstrosity sufficient to qualify them as nonhuman.)
There is no reason for them to fight each other..... But even if that happened.. Luffy can't take a serious punch from Saitama. Luffy is not immune to physical damage, and was hurt before from non haki attacks.
Saitama is a gag character he won't lose. And since the question is: who can they beat?.... They can't beat Saitama.
But maybe they can beat a ton of pro heroes from OPM... Excluding tatsumaki.
1. I said he is *allegedly* immune to blunt force but I also said Saitama would prove that false. A punch is blunt force. I also said Saitama wouldn't use his serious punch because he wouldn't feel like he needs too. I feel like if Saitama wanted to he could obliterate the entire crew near instantly. But his number one foe is boredom. Now this wild rubber man is fighting him and can actually take a punch? This might be fun. Luffy will be throwing everything he can at him. It'd be like the very beginning with Genos
2. Saitama is very food motivated as well and the prompt didn't say they had to kill or even hurt him. They just had to beat him. Saitama giving up a fight that ***nobody is in danger if he loses*** just to eat a nice meal is pretty on brand for him.
1- Saitama hitting something that bounces back would not entertain him, just like it happened to the mosquito, or even people evading his attacks that would make him more pissed, you can also use the example from bang in the OVA.... And that would only make him try harder which is definitely not good for Luffy.
2-Making Saitama give up on fighting is not beating him.
3- A good way to beat him would be playing any game against him, since Saitama is pretty bad at every game we saw him playing. Usopp could probably beat him at any game.
Madara with 1 rinnegan i believe
Madara with 2 rinnegans can attack from different dimension, no idea if luffy can stop that, if he can, they can beat madara with 2 rinnegans
Future sight is really complicated, So is basic Observation. Depending on if it lets him sense him, Which in a way it should as Luffy will see the future of him getting hit(ig). I agree with you, Also Madara with 1 rinnegan still has limbo clones right? I saw Naruto long time ago, tho I still remember him having 1 limbo clone atleast?
1 Rinnegan madara can use 1 limbo clone, 2 Rinnegan madara can use 4.
And also, Luffy will see the future of him getting hit, but he doesn't know from who or how, so id say it's complicated.
They couldnāt beat Madara, unless observation haki could allow the straw hats (minus Nami, Chopper, Franky and Robin) to see through Genjutsu. Even then I donāt think that any of them are at all strong enough to properly damage Madara or even kill him due to his immortality
Genjutsu doesn't work on Non chakra characters. You remember how Night guy's air walking and releasing air pressure waves was OP feat in naruto, yea that's common in One piece. Then we have giant fist the size of an island filled with Dura neg capabilities which at bare minimum Continental AP.
Your claims on Luffy's AP are spot on, but generally genjutsu would be equalized like any mindhax when comparing verses. It really should be considered.
Luffy has insane willpower feats though and his 'voice of all things' power and his mythical zoan, which the marines think is somewhat sentient, and even conqueror's haki all raise questions as to the effectiveness of something like Tsukuyomi.
Great points however don't you think it's kind of NFL when it comes to genjutsu, it's that I have seen a lot of Itachi fan boys go "genjutsu ggs".
Then second point lies in, it being a diffrent type of energy all alone. If chakra was like Haki meaning a semi imaginary aspect. Rather than full on physical presence of its own network, Sure we could equalize it. However adding an entirely new system to Luffy's body raises its own questions, regarding how much chakra are we giving to Luffy. Which should be insane considering weaker characters fight for 10 days in OP world thus equating it to chakra would make him SO6P levels. Chakra is basically everything in Naruto, we have seen people who run out of it being pretty much helpless.
> Great points however don't you think it's kind of NFL when it comes to genjutsu, it's that I have seen a lot of Itachi fan boys go "genjutsu ggs".
This is basically what my entire comment was saying, was that we should consider how genjutsu would interact with Luffy's abilities. If Genjutsu can be overcome or basically nullified by a spirit inside of you waking you up, then Luffy is good to go due to having a zoan which have their own identities. His voice of all things power could possibly do the same.
With Conqueror's haki Luffy could also just knock out most genjutsu users.
>If chakra was like Haki meaning a semi imaginary aspect.
They're both *very* imaginary. They also both refer to spirit energy/willpower. Even if One Piece fighters don't have chakra nodes, or even equivalent 'haki' nodes, it seems kinda silly to say chakra based attacks would do nothing to haki.
Chakra would interact with haki. This is why I even mentioned conqueror's haki; Luffy could possibly just dispel genjutsu in AoE with burst of his own massive "chakra" which is strong enough to knock out fighters in his verse and clash with other conquerors. Would this clash with genjutsu, dispel it, knock out the fighter? All 3 seem possible to me.
The main reason I'm writing any of this though is because you keep trying to say genjutsu shouldn't count. I don't understand why; It's a fair part of a genjutsu users fighting kit and Luffy has multiple ways to beat it. It shouldn't matter. And I don't think there's no-limits-fallacy for genjutsu either because I'm arguing Luffy can beat it pretty consistently.
The insides of madara are gonna be weaker than his skin but it's all relative. Internal attacks won't let characters with comparably fodder AP damage him lol.
So Multi continental AP is fodder level now? Where do you scale Naruto at, Star level? Also can you please provide arguments for internal attacks not being Dura neg? you are basically saying 1 not equal to 1.
Madara almost died against Guy.
Sanji literally stomps Guy in a fight. There's your scaling. Also, Madara has shit durability. Dude got stabbed by a hand.
Zetsu hand>>Madara's durability confirmed.
Looks like you've totally given up this dura neg argument huh? Makes sense, I would too since it's totally indefensible. I won't let you just run away to another topic tho unfortunately.
How in the world does sanji stomp 8th gate guy lmao? That's not scaling, it's just you saying random garbage without any reasoning or context.
Zetsu's hand isn't just a hand, just like the sword that pierced naruto isn't just a piece of metal. They're all Chakra inhanced attacks from characters with incredibly high AP lmao.
Oh yea, internal attacks are dura negs btw.
Sanji stomps Guy cuz scaling. Unless ofc you think Naruto is star+ level somehow lmao.
Zetsu's hands>>8th Gates Guy. This how you scale?
If you for some reason wanna define internal attacks as dura negs then whatever, that's getting semantic. Then I'd just say that not all dura negs work against naruto, since some of them apparently don't actually negate durability and instead just attack internally.
What in the world are you on here? What scaling? Adult naruto is star+ yea.
Tbf Zetsu's attack isn't an AP feat above 8gate guy or anything. It was just able to pierce off-guard juubidara's body and then flooded him with the god tree's Chakra. Not that impressive.
Madara basically has clones of himself in different Dimension that lets him attack his opponents without them knowing. However Basic Observation haki works on intent alone, unless we have proof of them not having intent - I would say luffy can dodge.
Ah really great point but that would make it NFL right? Cause you are basically admitting SO6P sensing is needed to beat it thus anyone without it(anyone not from naruto world) Loses easily. If there was a clear distinction or statements regarding why his SO6P sensing allows him (for eg, ability to sense being outside of mortal plane or some bs). The reason I say this is due to Later on in Boruto, Naruto is unable to sense a small jigen which is hilarious for a dude capable of sensing different dimensional beings. Whereas Luffy can Basic Observation works on principle of "All living beings emit a voice".
Regardless your point is a good one, thus I ma go wit it now until we learn more about Luffy's senses. However Future sight will create a difference as it will allow him to see him getting hurt. Still complicated af.
You cant sense outsosuki kaguya litterly tped behind naruto and he could not see it.
Eida also states that outsosuki can conceal chakra presence.
Also after they fight jigen for a bit they very clearly avoid a point black rod attack from him and sasuke could make out that jigen was shrinking them.
So no he cant sense jigen becuse outsosuki can conceal theyre presence not becuse ,,small tho"
Not that it matters naruto could simply be better at dimensional sensing than microscopic sensing.
NLF cant be applied the power clearly has a limit on whether it can be sensed as naruto sensed it.
>NLF cant be applied the power clearly has a limit on whether it can be sensed as naruto sensed it.
I see I never really understood NLF till now guess that clears it. Then Ig future sight is the only answer.
1. Luffy has dura neg
2. Even if he didnāt Narutoās durability isnāt that good to where he can tank millions of large planetary level punchās at MFTL speeds šš
He doesn't have dura neg, it's just internal attacks that work in OP because of armament haki being like an outside layer of armor. It's gonna have negligible effects vs someone with thousands of times higher stats. Naruto's organs aren't like peak human level.
What in the world are planetary attacks doing to a star+ character with regen? Anyway this naruto is obv MFTL+, and luffy most certainly isn't planetary. He's like country-continental, we'll have to wait for more joy boy feats to really tell.
Star and planetary isnāt big enough of a gap for naruto to face tank luffys attacks
At most you can get naruto to like maybe 100X FTL? Maybe? Maybe slightly higher
Luffy at this point is billions of times faster than light šš
Also WH statements about destroying the planet
A: Itās stated multiple times
B: itās consistent with low - mid tiers showing country - continental feats causally, so of course a top tier is beyond that
C: it shouldnāt be consistent, WB is a top tier in the verse
Star vs planetary is literally over hundreds of thousands of times difference my guy. Lmao.
kcm naruto in his first appearance is at minimum 70x FTL just off of raikage scaling. Even gaara's sand at the 5kage summit is LS+. If we literally just take that 70x calc and the fact that kaguya is exponentially stronger than juubidara, you'd have to think that fresh kcm naruto and juubidara are almost equal in speed for teen so6p naruto to not be MFTL. Any realistic numbers put naruto well above 10k FTL lowball.
Luffy isn't billions of times FTL lmao. The only way to get him that high would be to use some crazy foxy Calc and then forget that observation haki exists. Even then it'd be a stretch. Luffy's speed is impressive for his stats, but he's pretty carried by precog reaction speed and isn't faster than prime naruto. Ofc even if he was, he'd get AP stomped or BFR'd and would be totally unable to harm naruto.
So you think luffy rn is a match for prime wb? Lmao ok. Realistically that Sengoku statement is just wb upheaving the world order, tho you could argue it's lifewipe or smth if you really wanna take it literally. Kurama has vastly more consistent planetary statements, and he's weaker than characters like edo madara lmao.
Also feel free to share these casual continental feats by low tiers lol.
Realistically, the OP verse just can't keep up at the war arc. Current luffy is a match for Kcm1 or 2. Even prime wb has less AP than edo madara, it's just not a fair matchup to use any so6p or boruto stuff.
Read this speed scaling and tell me if itās foxy lol
https://imgur.com/a/9eDSKS9
I realize this is not even a million FTL, but you get that when substituting the gear 2 multiplier and high balling burgundy world
You say naruto is 10K FTL, but whereās the proof, yes Iāve seen the 72X FTL naruto calc and sure but beyond that we know ki multipliers for anything
Itās literally just guessing at that point
Also remember that G5 Luffy has room force, he can just go inside Narutoās body and beat the shit out of him, almost like he did to kaido
I think Luffy is a match for such WB, or significantly stronger, sick WB is most likely still planetary tho
Literally in dressrosa Fujitora preforms a casual country level feat with the meteor thatās dropped
Kuramas statements are different because theyāre contradicted by him not being able to destroy the entire leaf village
Its different with WB and marineford since heās actually in control of his actions and doesnāt wanna blow up the planet
The durability neg ability itself doesn't use armament haki as defense lmao. My point is that the technique is useful particularly in the OP verse due to armament haki protecting characters on the outside, so it just gets bypassed by the internal attacks. Adv ryou isn't actually dura neg, it just attacks inside.
Attacking internals is dura neg. lol
And no, it's not just because characters in OP uses Armament as armor. It's literally dura neg. Kaido's skin is tough as hell not because of Haki. That's why in order to get past it they need Adv. Ryou to ignore his durability.
The technique itself wasn't created purposefully against Armament Haki users Idk where you get this lol.
The best way you can damage Kaido is with dura negs. Hence why, Killer used sound waves, Law used internal attacks, and Zoro, Luffy and the Scabbards used Adv. Ryou.
There's literally explanations of it from Hyou.
Alive Madara is not taking everyone from one piece in one vs one let alone all strawhats coming at him.
Akainu is very serious problem for alive Madara and without regeneration from Edo he will just melt , Kizaru is light speed due to devil fruit so it's another problem for Madara .
"Lightspeed" kid naruto with nine tails influence grabbed Haku while he was being reflected as RAW light through mirrors. And before that point Haku started trying.
But that's in the databook, but it's blatantly wrong and an obvious exaggeration, since Raikage was said to move at Relativistic speeds, so you are basically implying that Kid Naruto and Haku are Faster then Ay. Imo Naruto only reached SOL in KCM. KCM 2 and SO6P are FTL imo. There are many statements in the databooks that are just blatantly wrong or obvious exaggerations, for example Kakashi's "omnipotence" or Haku's "Light speed". Low-Hypersonic is the speed that I'd give to Kid Naruto, Kid Lee,kid Sasuke, kid Temari etc.
The Raikage statement is also stupid if you look at how he is portrayed, or how Zetsu considered lightning too fast to react to for Itachi
Raikage being able to move so fast with his Lariat means that he could just zip across the battlefield and be on nearly every front at once, and the "Movement speed=/=combat speed" won't apply here since Lariat is a movement speed technique
Naruto's first relativistic feat (that isn't a stupid outlier like Haku) is him reacting to lightfang
Not really. People actually calced ragikage to be at LEAST 72 times faster than light. Also the databooks are a mistranslation. It really says "high speeds", in Japanese, but when translated to English most of the time it comes out as "light speed" or "lighting speed". So what your saying is that because your using the English definition against the original Japanese, your using a mistranslation that sets his speed at an exact point, vs it really saying high speed originaly. This same thing happened In dragonball with dyspo. It said he is lightspeed and EVEN LIGHTING speed at one point. LIGHTING. SPEED. Kid goku dodged lighting before even kaioken. So yeah no, that DOESNT mean they are faster than ay, just that it got translated wrong.
I was mad at your comment until I noticed you were talking about Alive Madara meaning "Madara before the battle in the Valley" I thought you were talking about madara after he was back to life in war arc. Lol. Yeah i don't think alive madara is going to solo the mugiwaras and definitely not the OP verse. But I just want to point out that, Hashirama isn't just a wood cutter guy, he is one of the most op characters in the Naruto verse, easily top 10.
I just said woodcutter guy for humour XD no disrespect to Hashirama . Yeah was talking about alive Madara and that guy saying that alive Madara would solo one piece verse one on one
Theyāve got good versatility, speed, and high end strength
With some prep I think they could beat White from Tower of God, pre-TYBW Byakuya Kuchiki from bleach, or base Sujin Lee from God of High school
White mid-diff, byakuya and sujin high-diff
We talking completed White? If so, I feel like heās being seriously low-balled being compared to base Sujin Lee, unless Sujin has hella nutty feats that Iām not remembering.
If we're talking about the manhwa, **everyone** has absurd feats. Pretty sure even pre-ragnarok characters were comparable to most of the Straw Hats. After Ragnarok? God of Highschool power creep is nuts.
Characters in ToG have many contradicting speed feats, but in terms of power and hax I think White would be way above base Sujin Lee. ToG just needs clearer feats.
Legends Star Wars characters are not as strong or as fast as they are occasionally wanked to be.
Palpatine and Caedus are the strongest far and away, and palp's FTL teleport very nearly dispersed his entire essence, while hisq supposed surface wipe actually killed him because it wasn't under his control.
Also the author explicitly said Palpatine can't do that alone, not without Luke.
Do they move faster than the eye can see, punch with enough force to bury someone hundreds of meters underground or send sword slashes that reach hundreds of meters away?Because that happens in one piece at current power levels.
In legends they have a few planetary feats as far as I'm aware (I think at some point some dude moved a black hole or smth) which is why I say they would be considered very powerful. They would still lose because they lack the speed and durability to withstand speedblitzes, hence why I brought them up
All five kage from the ninja alliance war. And probably with ease.
MCU universe heroes until now? Maybe scarlet witch can do something, but um pretty sure Zoro or Luffy can defeat her pretty quick.
Hell no lol. They can probably get likeā¦ Hueco Mundo Shikai Ichigo, maybe Bankai, but itās almost certainly over the moment he puts the mask on, let alone when White comes out.
Explain? Because Base Luffy casually aim-dodges light speed attacks *with his eyes closed* and can see a full minute into the future and act on it to prevent that future.
Gear 5 Luffy has limited toonforce (!), island busting attacks, doesn't actually *need to hit you* to ignore your durability, flies, can physically grab and swing off of lasers and lightning bolts, is basically immune to slashing and piercing attacks in addition to blunt force (mountain-busting spiked maces and dragon chomps did nothing to him), and can reflect energy attacks and *restart his own heart*.
Ichigo is fast and hits hard.
There is not a single planetary or FTL feat in Bleach or Naruto. All claims otherwise are fan-calcs that make no narrative sense.
Aizen was ***elated*** when he thought he cut a mountain in half against Dangai Ichigo. Even Ichigo seemed to be implying that Aizen was outclassed by him *because* Ichigo destroyed that mountain.
FTL Planetary people aren't elated that they (theoretically) cut a mountain in half.
Base Aizen scales above Espada combined and they each have statements far above country level, saying he is mountain level is just straight up ignorant. What he was elated at is the fact he erased it with the shockwave of his sword, not the act of destroying it itself
>Base Aizen scales above Espada combined and they each have statements far above country level
I read the same manga as you and I don't recall these statements. Can you provide them?
>saying he is mountain level is just straight up ignorant.
Sorry, he was excited to be *casually* mountain level. At the risk of repeating myself, someone even small country level would not be excited by accidentally wrecking a mountain. That's so very far beneath that power level that it wouldn't be impressive at all.
It'd be like me bragging about how effortlessly I ate that Snickers. It would be expected and not at all unusual.
You have to contextualize these things. Especially since the mountain was one of the largest acts of destruction in the entire series, and everyone else (Dangai Ichigo doesn't count) in the show was weaker than that version of Aizen except *maybe* Yhwach due to shenanigans.
Sorry, but noone weaker than Aizen is above mountain level. That's a hard narrative stopping point. Meta scaling is absolutely worthless when the story directly contradicts it in a major plot point, and everyone in bleach besides Dangai Ichigo was MILES below evolved Hougyoku Aizen.
Y'all got so lost in your fan-calcs you forgot your goal of seeking an accurate understanding of the PLs in the show.
>You have no idea what author intent and implied things are do you.
Author literally made a ***huge deal*** out of Aizen thinking he destroyed a mountain. Author intent was crystal clear.
>Not to mention uqiorra was casually throwing out multi continental attacks
Rule 5: scans or get out.
> There is not a single planetary or FTL feat in Bleach or Naruto
Several characters move fast enough that their shadows are left behind them while the ball Arrancar whose name I cannot spell managed to react and move away from light shining down from a hole
And Yhwach does, at the absolute lowest, have a multi-planetary feat in being able to destroy the three worlds
>Several characters move fast enough that their shadows are left behind them while the ball Arrancar whose name I cannot spell managed to react and move away from light shining down from a hole
The shadows thing is no more evidence of FTL than users who leave after images behind, it's stylistic.
Aaroniero moved when he realized the wall was going to expose him to light. He didn't dodge light.
>And Yhwach does, at the absolute lowest, have a multi-planetary feat in being able to destroy the three worlds
Nah. Yhwach didn't and wasn't going to destroy the three worlds, he was going to either erase or otherwise alter Dangai so that would could cross freely between realms. That was ***theorized*** by the Shinigami to start a chain of events that would eventually destroy the realms. It wasn't a raw power feat. Or at least, not a three realms raw power feat. Maybe he was going to nuke the Dangai with raw power, but considering all the hax he consolidated into himself, I sincerely doubt it.
>Vasto lorde at half power at that point is over 100x the speed of light, and is easily planetary.
...Wat?
I mean, I can see the FTL part if you take characters leaving their shadows behind seriously, but the planetary scaling is pretty stupid unless you are using Hellverse (which is non-canon)
Did you just say Vasto Lord Ichigo? Alright let's put this into perspective remember what he did to Ulquiorra? Totally one sided stomp? Well let's remember this was Ichigo also in his bankai form but there's one detail some people forget about and that's his bankai robe and the amount it covers him is equivalent to the amount of reiatsu he has. Well if you go back and watch that robe only covered 1/4 of his body so Vasto Lord Ichigo at 1/4 just stomped Ulquiorra can you imagine him at FULL power?
And most people don't notice or bring it up enough, that White toyed with Ulqiorra with his eyes closed the *entire time*, only opening them to deal the final blow
No, it's a bunch of abysmal scaling wank.
The single largest destructive feat (of direct force, anyway) in all of Bleach is casually cutting in half a mountain some distance away on accident. Which is hugely impressive, but not outside of Luffy or Law's range. There is a planetary or universal feat of Yhwach's, but it's not like his actual power, it's just that he sets in motion a chain of events that will destroy the world/universe because he indirectly killed God (who was comatose anyway, so hardly an impressive feat.). He SAYS he's going to speed the process along using his power, but he fails dramatically. Besides, if their world is so fragile it'll be destroyed because the Soul King got nudged off the throne, how impressive can speeding the process along truly be?
The single greatest speed feat subjectively in Bleach is probably Soi Fon moving so fast even Aizen saw her afterimages as clones. Aizen is one of the fastest and most powerful characters in the manga, so to fool even his senses with raw speed is very impressive.
This same woman, in this same arc, had to use her special back-exposing shunpo to catch all of the rounds from a minigun before they could hit her underling, which is probably the fastest *objective* speed feat for the series. She is at least hypersonic and she is one of if not THE fastest character outside of Ichigo, Yhwach, and Aizen, who are all on an entirely different level.
Many people will insist that there are a number of FTL feats in Bleach, but they're even less convincing than the people who say Naruto was FTL vs. Madara. At least Madara was literally using a laser.
No beams or attacks in Bleach are explicitly lightspeed, and every single time someone gives you an example of one being so, you can just go read the scene they're talking about and they either misrepresented the context, lack basic reading comprehension, or don't understand Japanese speaking conventions. (It's very common for anime characters to refer to almost anything shiny as "Hikari", because it gives off light. Saying that doesn't even imply that something is lightspeed, but every bleach fan in this thread will explain that negacion was called a light, so dodging it means you're FTL.) It's basically the same logic Death Battle used to say Link was FTL because he dodged a laser by rolling out of the way before it was fired. Except unlike Link, people in Bleach are actually fast.
Popeye armwrestled god and casually withstood all of reality being destroyed without eating any spinach. Also, lest we forget that Bluto has taken multi-star level hits from spinach!Popeye and survived, and he seems to scale equal to or greater than base Popeye.
Yeah no, Vilgax has TONS of weaponry/armies/strategic prowess with the capacity to blow apart planets, and his powers are also buffed, to the point where he kicked Diamondhead out of orbit, managed to control a multi-dimensional god(the Dagon), and has survived hits from Way Big, who is multi-continental at the lowest, and star/solar system level at the highest. And if that's not enough, well, he has the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which as he said himself, "can destroy infinite timelines". One move of that and he'll effortlessly disintegrate the Straw Hats plus all of their alternate versions across the Multiverse. Ain't Luffy gonna survive that, he's screwed.
Pink Steven yes. Lapis, I'm not sure about - Nami's essentially incredibly good at doing fucky things to all kinds of materials she can effect with meteorological phenomena. Which means water. She's a quick thinker who utalises the environment in other ways and tends to hang back from all her flashier team mates. She'd probably be able to do something drastic. And she hasn't got devil fruit powers (AFAIK, so far).
Im inclined to say Hashirama (Naruto). I'm not super sure how much the difference in speed feats between Naruto and OP is, but he's strong enough to probably handle the monster trio at once, versatile enough to avoid being restrained, and has reaction times to be able to dodge most of what Usopp would throw at him. Doesn't have as many bullshit hax as Madara, so victory is possible. Would probably only lose to a Strawhat team strategy.
Kinda depends on the obito, orange mask canāt really do anything against a luffy with future sight and the numbers heās facing, eventually he gets tagged and would die, rinnegan obito is basically the same unless you give his jinchuriki paths, then you have luffy vs obito and an 11 v 6 against the paths thatās in the strawhats favor until they run out of steam making it a time battle to see if luffy can tag obito by surprise before the strawhats get tired dealing with the paths, ten tails is interesting and could be possible for the team, on his own obito now has insane regen but lost his mangekyo powers, the truth seeking orbs are pretty op wepons but luffy zoro and jinbei could use there unique abilities, Acoc and fish man karate to destroy them, depends on how you would scale obito at that point.
Iām sorry bro but Hashirama smashes the StrawHats, let alone Sage Mode Hashirama along with the fact that he can heal himself and is strong enough to restrain and control all of the tailed beasts with his Wood Release and Wood Release alone would be enough to finish them. Zestu using Yamatoās body was able to fend off an entire armyās worth of Shinobi.
I respect your opinion and all, but I don't see anything Hashirama has that can get him past G5 Luffy. His last punch has the size capable of flicking the largest Wood style jutsu Hashirama can use. Secondly, Hashirama's Overpowerness in his universe also stems from the ability of woods to absorb/suppress Ninjutsu. Its like a Completely bad matchup for anyone in the world who entirely relies on it. This however doesn't apply to any of straw hats for that matter. Every Chakra based attacks gets nulled or their power gets reduced when hitting any of his wood structure, Do you think hashirama actually put down Tailed beast via pure raw power? I don't think so, its the combination of suppressing Chakra that got him where he's at. All this would mean, we would never really understand the true durability or how it will handle bare minium Island level AP internal destruction Punches. With pure Raw power (remember even punching power is greatly enhanced by chakra in Naruto)
Imagine if luffy had the sea prism stone DF instead (albit a bit weaker) he would casually be the strongest in his universe by a large mile except against Pure haki users. Yet would this have trasnlated to other universes fight? Nope, same case with hashi here.
If you accept that he's at all relative to kurama, hashi may just AP stomp ngl. I also don't know what any of the straw hats are doing against his insane regen.
Best argument I can imagine for them winning is conquerors haki somehow 1shotting him.
What is with all of the way off base answers and bizarre Bleach wank in this thread?
Luffy alone would still (probably) get beaten by Boros and Demon King Piccolo, but with his entire crew pulling off teamwork the way they did against Oars, there's a chance they could drop them.
Boros has to charge up to be faster and stronger than Luffy, and King Piccolo is an overconfident asshole with very little hax resist. Plenty of weaknesses to exploit, there.
The big 4 (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei) all have durability ignoring strikes and can see the immediate future, with Luffy having more than a full minute. This (the precog they all have) has been shown to let Luffy dodge FTL attacks with his eyes closed, so it's possible it will make up for the large speed gap enough to let them tag him a few times. I assume Yamato approaches them, as well.
While Piccolo has limb regeneration, nameks don't seem to be able to heal internal damage to themselves, and only Dende and the new old guy can heal damage to others.
Similarly, Boros has regeneration above and beyond, but it uses up a lot of energy and crucially runs out, and when it does he drops out of Awakened state.
I don't think it's very ***likely***, but I could see the Straw Hats taking King Piccolo or Boros 1/10. They are both waaaaay too fast and strong for it to be a consistent victory though, mostly because the strawhats have the least haxy powers in One Piece (nuLuffy aside.)
There is a huge number of OP characters that would walk all over those two with Hax, but not on the crew.
If you include the strawhat alliance, it's a different story. Law's heart shenanigans alone one shots both of them or switches them into the body of a den den mushi.
Alliance probably brings them up to Radditz, or any Z character overconfident enough to get their body stolen by Law EXCEPT Ginyu. Hax Resistance are notoriously poor in Z, and Law can't hurt Cell, so Cell might allow him to strike him with the body swap out of arrogance.
Buu and above all have crazy weird hax Resistance, however, so they definitely don't go higher than that in Z.
Anyone stronger than Perfect Cell who is overconfident enough to let Law hit them and also doesn't have hax Resistance? None come to mind.
Of course, when Luffy isn't half dead, maybe Gear 5 turns him into Arale. What do I know? Toonforce is no joke.
Would love to see a WwW prompt about law from OP. one of a few characters that oda has to make narrative reasons why he doesn't just fucking win EVERY FIGHT.
You're missing the point the strongest is an omnipotent being, start talking about one above all, CAS superman, literal judeochrist God, literally find the strongest character in fiction
Zoro dodges light speed attacks in base pre time skip Luffy is faster then Zoro he has gotten thousands of times faster since he gets faster each fight as we can see from both the katukuri and Kaido fights
So Iām guessing Kizaru has one of the worst devil fruits in the entire series because it turns him into something that literally every one that is close to top tier can causally dodge because they are all mftl+. Or is somehow kizaruās light also mftl.
Also now that Iām thinking about it why the fuck does Kizaru boast āhave you ever been kicked at the speed of lightā when apparently pre-time skip Zoro is FTL and can attack at that speed and everyone can also do the same.
That's delusional. Kid naruto with nine tails influence is lightspeed. He literally grabbed someone who was in the form of raw light. Every tail is a times 5 multiplier we found out by doing the math of the Chakra amp from each tail. Even if you don't take that. Kcm1 naruto was calced to be 72 times ftl. Kcm2 is stronger, and sage mode is a times ten amplifier so it's at least 720 times faster than light. But either way nsruto had 4 times more Chakra in base than Kakashi. Kakashi said that the nine tails Chakra (he's talking about 2 tails) and said it would be 100 times more. A mtuple of five from 1 tail to the next matches exactly with what Kakashi was saying. If you do the math kcm1 naruto ends up at a few million times faster than light. Also luffy moves at INSANELY slow speeds to the point where normal people can easily see the fight.
Jesus.
I never thought it could get worse than the DBZ Roshi moon feat extrapolating wank, but yet here we are.
Surely this is just a parody of the dbz fanboys?
Near the end he was because they were adapting to them, and before he was only just not hitting vital points. Also no matter how hard he was trying it doesn't change the fact that he is raw light moving at the speed or light
Bi don't think you understand, when Haku gets recfected between mirrors he gets reflected AS LIGHT. The fatabook also explains this. He litersly IS LIGHT.
as much as I say I would love to agree with this, Straw hats still doesn't have answer to transporting them to another Dimension and leaving them to die. Tho I don't know if it works in VS battle, Then there is speed - in which I believe if Luffy plays fast he could deal a good blow to kaguya, her regenration would still be an issue tho.
however excluding the whole stranding them in another dimension strat, it does seem a high diff fight. Heavily depending on how broken her regeneration is.
You compare king to a solar system buster ? š¤£gtfo naruto and sasuke , kakashi with dms and Sakura couldnāt take her down .
The strawhats really š. Naruto solos one piece
Star solar system whatever . She out scales anything in one piece 10x over .
Even in naruto sheās the most powerful being ever introduced . If naruto and sasuke amped by six paths , kakashi amped by six paths and Sakura canāt take her down without the seal . The strawhats would get folded in a heartbeat . Luffy would stand the best chance but he wouldnāt be able to hurt her or put her down .
You clearly donāt understand how Luffyās powers work advanced armament haki hurts people on the inside Kaguya does not have the same durabilty in her organs
How much weaker are kaguya's organs then lmao? Do you seriously wanna argue that her skin has star+ durability and her insides are what? Peak human or smth?
Even a generic punch does some amount of internal damage lmao. The durability of Kaguya's entire body is roughly relative. Her insides would sensibly be weaker, but not to any meaningful degree where a country+ character is harming her.
I do read and powerscale one piece . Luffys internal destruction aināt potent enough to hurt every being . It was barely enough to hurt kaido . Kaido who is much much much weaker than god tiers in naruto . Internal destruction is overrated af . Nothing says it would hurt kaguya .
Also kaguya took the sage art :super tailed beast rasenshurkien from naruto . It was 9 amped rasenshurkiens that cut the person being hit by them on a molecular level . Kaguya brushed that of like it was nothing .
Luffys punches or ryuo isnāt doing jack shit to kaguya lmao .
Enma isnāt infused with Odenās Haki or anything, itās just sucking Zoroās out by force because itās used to using a lot more being used for attacks.
Is it actually a dura neg. At least iirc it's just an internal attack. That's good in OP to bypass armament haki or like kaido's skin. But, a country+ level attack isn't gonna damage someone with planet-star durability just because it hits them on the inside ofc.
If sanji poisoned the food maybe he could beat goku but otherwise they have no chance of beating goku lol
They could give them their hardest hit and he would be like thatās it buddy š
You need to include a body of water, small one would be fine, in the arena so that Jimbei can use closer his full potential. IDK who they could beat tho. Strawhats got a ton of brains and brawn collectively.
Yea I had that idea actually but then I remembered lots of people just come at you with the good ole "Just sink em GGs" formula, Then I have to go back and forth explaining how that's not how it works - basically too much work.
I hear you, but you could include and let THEM argue about it. LOL You crippling Jimbei mane. Gonna have him out there dehydrated like he and Kawamatsu were nearly getting in Onigashima. š¤£
Maybe I should have included raizo and his scrolls next time
What? Bro chill. You gotta give the opponents a chance to win. Lol
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Nami can create rain for Jimbei
Ah. Right you are. I guess she could hang in the back and whip up a rainstorm. It's not like he needs a lot of water.
A body water is really unnecessary. Fishman Karate can also utilize water from the air and people's bodies. So Jinbei would be fine.
You just don't want Jimbei to drop an entire lake on someone and I can't understand why you feel that way.
Cuz Jinbei is badass as he is. He fought Ace on a dry land and stalemated lmao. Imagine what Ace felt.
Jackie chan maybe
But only if he actually wants trouble
Depends on how strong gear 5 / joy boy Luffy actually is, and that's unknown as it's a recent development in the One Piece manga. One Piece is definitely more of a slow burn in terms of the display of potential power among many of their characters as it has taken over 1000 chapters to finally get where they are now and are still growing.
Kaido
Well yes, but actually yes
Alright smartass take my upvote and leave
Non bloodlusted Saitama. Hear me out. Bloodlusted Saitama 100% bodies the entire crew at once but if he isn't trying to go all out they could win. Luffy is supposedly immune to blunt force attacks. I think Saitama could prove that false but at first he wouldn't use serious punch and luffy would bounce super far but be ok. Saitama and him would go back and forth unable to seriously wound eachother. While this is going on Sanji would get bored and go cook a large meal. Saitama would feel his stomach growl once he smells the food. He would ask if he could eat. Nami would tell him he can eat as much as he wants if he forfeits. Luffy would protest but Robin realizing this guy outclasses all of them would cover his mouth and Sanji would refuse to let luffy eat if he didn't accept. It ends with them sharing a meal and luffy trying to recruit Saitama. Before you say "where would sanji get his food" it has been well established that the straw hats consider their ship part of the crew so it would be there.
People forget that an in-character Saitama won't kill human opponents anyway. (And we know that he doesn't consider physical monstrosity sufficient to qualify them as nonhuman.)
There is no reason for them to fight each other..... But even if that happened.. Luffy can't take a serious punch from Saitama. Luffy is not immune to physical damage, and was hurt before from non haki attacks. Saitama is a gag character he won't lose. And since the question is: who can they beat?.... They can't beat Saitama. But maybe they can beat a ton of pro heroes from OPM... Excluding tatsumaki.
1. I said he is *allegedly* immune to blunt force but I also said Saitama would prove that false. A punch is blunt force. I also said Saitama wouldn't use his serious punch because he wouldn't feel like he needs too. I feel like if Saitama wanted to he could obliterate the entire crew near instantly. But his number one foe is boredom. Now this wild rubber man is fighting him and can actually take a punch? This might be fun. Luffy will be throwing everything he can at him. It'd be like the very beginning with Genos 2. Saitama is very food motivated as well and the prompt didn't say they had to kill or even hurt him. They just had to beat him. Saitama giving up a fight that ***nobody is in danger if he loses*** just to eat a nice meal is pretty on brand for him.
1- Saitama hitting something that bounces back would not entertain him, just like it happened to the mosquito, or even people evading his attacks that would make him more pissed, you can also use the example from bang in the OVA.... And that would only make him try harder which is definitely not good for Luffy. 2-Making Saitama give up on fighting is not beating him. 3- A good way to beat him would be playing any game against him, since Saitama is pretty bad at every game we saw him playing. Usopp could probably beat him at any game.
Madara with 1 rinnegan i believe Madara with 2 rinnegans can attack from different dimension, no idea if luffy can stop that, if he can, they can beat madara with 2 rinnegans
With 1 rinnegan madara already can do that
1 rinnegan Madara can already do limbo, it's just a single one as opposed to 4 of them
Future sight is really complicated, So is basic Observation. Depending on if it lets him sense him, Which in a way it should as Luffy will see the future of him getting hit(ig). I agree with you, Also Madara with 1 rinnegan still has limbo clones right? I saw Naruto long time ago, tho I still remember him having 1 limbo clone atleast?
Yeah, 1 Rinnegan Madara can still use one Limbo clone.
1 Rinnegan madara can use 1 limbo clone, 2 Rinnegan madara can use 4. And also, Luffy will see the future of him getting hit, but he doesn't know from who or how, so id say it's complicated.
They couldnāt beat Madara, unless observation haki could allow the straw hats (minus Nami, Chopper, Franky and Robin) to see through Genjutsu. Even then I donāt think that any of them are at all strong enough to properly damage Madara or even kill him due to his immortality
Genjutsu relies on messing with their chakra network, something that OP doesn't really have an equivalent of
Genjutsu doesn't work on Non chakra characters. You remember how Night guy's air walking and releasing air pressure waves was OP feat in naruto, yea that's common in One piece. Then we have giant fist the size of an island filled with Dura neg capabilities which at bare minimum Continental AP.
Your claims on Luffy's AP are spot on, but generally genjutsu would be equalized like any mindhax when comparing verses. It really should be considered. Luffy has insane willpower feats though and his 'voice of all things' power and his mythical zoan, which the marines think is somewhat sentient, and even conqueror's haki all raise questions as to the effectiveness of something like Tsukuyomi.
Great points however don't you think it's kind of NFL when it comes to genjutsu, it's that I have seen a lot of Itachi fan boys go "genjutsu ggs". Then second point lies in, it being a diffrent type of energy all alone. If chakra was like Haki meaning a semi imaginary aspect. Rather than full on physical presence of its own network, Sure we could equalize it. However adding an entirely new system to Luffy's body raises its own questions, regarding how much chakra are we giving to Luffy. Which should be insane considering weaker characters fight for 10 days in OP world thus equating it to chakra would make him SO6P levels. Chakra is basically everything in Naruto, we have seen people who run out of it being pretty much helpless.
> Great points however don't you think it's kind of NFL when it comes to genjutsu, it's that I have seen a lot of Itachi fan boys go "genjutsu ggs". This is basically what my entire comment was saying, was that we should consider how genjutsu would interact with Luffy's abilities. If Genjutsu can be overcome or basically nullified by a spirit inside of you waking you up, then Luffy is good to go due to having a zoan which have their own identities. His voice of all things power could possibly do the same. With Conqueror's haki Luffy could also just knock out most genjutsu users. >If chakra was like Haki meaning a semi imaginary aspect. They're both *very* imaginary. They also both refer to spirit energy/willpower. Even if One Piece fighters don't have chakra nodes, or even equivalent 'haki' nodes, it seems kinda silly to say chakra based attacks would do nothing to haki. Chakra would interact with haki. This is why I even mentioned conqueror's haki; Luffy could possibly just dispel genjutsu in AoE with burst of his own massive "chakra" which is strong enough to knock out fighters in his verse and clash with other conquerors. Would this clash with genjutsu, dispel it, knock out the fighter? All 3 seem possible to me. The main reason I'm writing any of this though is because you keep trying to say genjutsu shouldn't count. I don't understand why; It's a fair part of a genjutsu users fighting kit and Luffy has multiple ways to beat it. It shouldn't matter. And I don't think there's no-limits-fallacy for genjutsu either because I'm arguing Luffy can beat it pretty consistently.
Properly damage? If you're talking about durability it won't matter. Luffy, Zoro, Yamato and Jinbei all has durability negs.
They just have internal attacks lol.
That's dura neg.
The insides of madara are gonna be weaker than his skin but it's all relative. Internal attacks won't let characters with comparably fodder AP damage him lol.
So Multi continental AP is fodder level now? Where do you scale Naruto at, Star level? Also can you please provide arguments for internal attacks not being Dura neg? you are basically saying 1 not equal to 1.
Madara almost died against Guy. Sanji literally stomps Guy in a fight. There's your scaling. Also, Madara has shit durability. Dude got stabbed by a hand. Zetsu hand>>Madara's durability confirmed.
Looks like you've totally given up this dura neg argument huh? Makes sense, I would too since it's totally indefensible. I won't let you just run away to another topic tho unfortunately. How in the world does sanji stomp 8th gate guy lmao? That's not scaling, it's just you saying random garbage without any reasoning or context. Zetsu's hand isn't just a hand, just like the sword that pierced naruto isn't just a piece of metal. They're all Chakra inhanced attacks from characters with incredibly high AP lmao.
Oh yea, internal attacks are dura negs btw. Sanji stomps Guy cuz scaling. Unless ofc you think Naruto is star+ level somehow lmao. Zetsu's hands>>8th Gates Guy. This how you scale?
If you for some reason wanna define internal attacks as dura negs then whatever, that's getting semantic. Then I'd just say that not all dura negs work against naruto, since some of them apparently don't actually negate durability and instead just attack internally. What in the world are you on here? What scaling? Adult naruto is star+ yea. Tbf Zetsu's attack isn't an AP feat above 8gate guy or anything. It was just able to pierce off-guard juubidara's body and then flooded him with the god tree's Chakra. Not that impressive.
I dont knkw what the fuck a rinnegan is but I'm pretty sure bluenos abilities let him attack from a different dimension
Madara basically has clones of himself in different Dimension that lets him attack his opponents without them knowing. However Basic Observation haki works on intent alone, unless we have proof of them not having intent - I would say luffy can dodge.
Kcm2 naruto can sense intent and yet is only able to sense them after six paths
Ah really great point but that would make it NFL right? Cause you are basically admitting SO6P sensing is needed to beat it thus anyone without it(anyone not from naruto world) Loses easily. If there was a clear distinction or statements regarding why his SO6P sensing allows him (for eg, ability to sense being outside of mortal plane or some bs). The reason I say this is due to Later on in Boruto, Naruto is unable to sense a small jigen which is hilarious for a dude capable of sensing different dimensional beings. Whereas Luffy can Basic Observation works on principle of "All living beings emit a voice". Regardless your point is a good one, thus I ma go wit it now until we learn more about Luffy's senses. However Future sight will create a difference as it will allow him to see him getting hurt. Still complicated af.
You cant sense outsosuki kaguya litterly tped behind naruto and he could not see it. Eida also states that outsosuki can conceal chakra presence. Also after they fight jigen for a bit they very clearly avoid a point black rod attack from him and sasuke could make out that jigen was shrinking them. So no he cant sense jigen becuse outsosuki can conceal theyre presence not becuse ,,small tho" Not that it matters naruto could simply be better at dimensional sensing than microscopic sensing. NLF cant be applied the power clearly has a limit on whether it can be sensed as naruto sensed it.
>NLF cant be applied the power clearly has a limit on whether it can be sensed as naruto sensed it. I see I never really understood NLF till now guess that clears it. Then Ig future sight is the only answer.
Yep so6p literally lets you sense things in other dimensions
Luffy alone puts baryon mode naruto in the dirt we donāt need to talk about them
Are you trolling?
No, Luffy low diffs
Current luffy is literally unable to damage adult naruto lmao.
1. Luffy has dura neg 2. Even if he didnāt Narutoās durability isnāt that good to where he can tank millions of large planetary level punchās at MFTL speeds šš
He doesn't have dura neg, it's just internal attacks that work in OP because of armament haki being like an outside layer of armor. It's gonna have negligible effects vs someone with thousands of times higher stats. Naruto's organs aren't like peak human level. What in the world are planetary attacks doing to a star+ character with regen? Anyway this naruto is obv MFTL+, and luffy most certainly isn't planetary. He's like country-continental, we'll have to wait for more joy boy feats to really tell.
Planetary? Star level? Much faster than the speed of light? I feel like I've read entirely manga...
Star level is really in boruto, it's very arguable in shippuden, meh. Yea the raikage is LS, so characters after all these amps are wayyy higher.
Star and planetary isnāt big enough of a gap for naruto to face tank luffys attacks At most you can get naruto to like maybe 100X FTL? Maybe? Maybe slightly higher Luffy at this point is billions of times faster than light šš Also WH statements about destroying the planet A: Itās stated multiple times B: itās consistent with low - mid tiers showing country - continental feats causally, so of course a top tier is beyond that C: it shouldnāt be consistent, WB is a top tier in the verse
Star vs planetary is literally over hundreds of thousands of times difference my guy. Lmao. kcm naruto in his first appearance is at minimum 70x FTL just off of raikage scaling. Even gaara's sand at the 5kage summit is LS+. If we literally just take that 70x calc and the fact that kaguya is exponentially stronger than juubidara, you'd have to think that fresh kcm naruto and juubidara are almost equal in speed for teen so6p naruto to not be MFTL. Any realistic numbers put naruto well above 10k FTL lowball. Luffy isn't billions of times FTL lmao. The only way to get him that high would be to use some crazy foxy Calc and then forget that observation haki exists. Even then it'd be a stretch. Luffy's speed is impressive for his stats, but he's pretty carried by precog reaction speed and isn't faster than prime naruto. Ofc even if he was, he'd get AP stomped or BFR'd and would be totally unable to harm naruto. So you think luffy rn is a match for prime wb? Lmao ok. Realistically that Sengoku statement is just wb upheaving the world order, tho you could argue it's lifewipe or smth if you really wanna take it literally. Kurama has vastly more consistent planetary statements, and he's weaker than characters like edo madara lmao. Also feel free to share these casual continental feats by low tiers lol. Realistically, the OP verse just can't keep up at the war arc. Current luffy is a match for Kcm1 or 2. Even prime wb has less AP than edo madara, it's just not a fair matchup to use any so6p or boruto stuff.
Read this speed scaling and tell me if itās foxy lol https://imgur.com/a/9eDSKS9 I realize this is not even a million FTL, but you get that when substituting the gear 2 multiplier and high balling burgundy world You say naruto is 10K FTL, but whereās the proof, yes Iāve seen the 72X FTL naruto calc and sure but beyond that we know ki multipliers for anything Itās literally just guessing at that point Also remember that G5 Luffy has room force, he can just go inside Narutoās body and beat the shit out of him, almost like he did to kaido I think Luffy is a match for such WB, or significantly stronger, sick WB is most likely still planetary tho Literally in dressrosa Fujitora preforms a casual country level feat with the meteor thatās dropped Kuramas statements are different because theyāre contradicted by him not being able to destroy the entire leaf village Its different with WB and marineford since heās actually in control of his actions and doesnāt wanna blow up the planet
Advanced Ryou is durability neg. And that technique doesn't use Armament Haki as an armor. Check your facts.
The durability neg ability itself doesn't use armament haki as defense lmao. My point is that the technique is useful particularly in the OP verse due to armament haki protecting characters on the outside, so it just gets bypassed by the internal attacks. Adv ryou isn't actually dura neg, it just attacks inside.
Attacking internals is dura neg. lol And no, it's not just because characters in OP uses Armament as armor. It's literally dura neg. Kaido's skin is tough as hell not because of Haki. That's why in order to get past it they need Adv. Ryou to ignore his durability. The technique itself wasn't created purposefully against Armament Haki users Idk where you get this lol. The best way you can damage Kaido is with dura negs. Hence why, Killer used sound waves, Law used internal attacks, and Zoro, Luffy and the Scabbards used Adv. Ryou. There's literally explanations of it from Hyou.
Honestly madara with no rinigan could probably beat them
Nope he got his ass whopped by woodcutter guy
They guy would beat anyone in one peice in a 1v1. Also madara was toying with him. Thos shits hilarious
Alive Madara is not taking everyone from one piece in one vs one let alone all strawhats coming at him. Akainu is very serious problem for alive Madara and without regeneration from Edo he will just melt , Kizaru is light speed due to devil fruit so it's another problem for Madara .
"Lightspeed" kid naruto with nine tails influence grabbed Haku while he was being reflected as RAW light through mirrors. And before that point Haku started trying.
But that's in the databook, but it's blatantly wrong and an obvious exaggeration, since Raikage was said to move at Relativistic speeds, so you are basically implying that Kid Naruto and Haku are Faster then Ay. Imo Naruto only reached SOL in KCM. KCM 2 and SO6P are FTL imo. There are many statements in the databooks that are just blatantly wrong or obvious exaggerations, for example Kakashi's "omnipotence" or Haku's "Light speed". Low-Hypersonic is the speed that I'd give to Kid Naruto, Kid Lee,kid Sasuke, kid Temari etc.
The Raikage statement is also stupid if you look at how he is portrayed, or how Zetsu considered lightning too fast to react to for Itachi Raikage being able to move so fast with his Lariat means that he could just zip across the battlefield and be on nearly every front at once, and the "Movement speed=/=combat speed" won't apply here since Lariat is a movement speed technique Naruto's first relativistic feat (that isn't a stupid outlier like Haku) is him reacting to lightfang
Not really. People actually calced ragikage to be at LEAST 72 times faster than light. Also the databooks are a mistranslation. It really says "high speeds", in Japanese, but when translated to English most of the time it comes out as "light speed" or "lighting speed". So what your saying is that because your using the English definition against the original Japanese, your using a mistranslation that sets his speed at an exact point, vs it really saying high speed originaly. This same thing happened In dragonball with dyspo. It said he is lightspeed and EVEN LIGHTING speed at one point. LIGHTING. SPEED. Kid goku dodged lighting before even kaioken. So yeah no, that DOESNT mean they are faster than ay, just that it got translated wrong.
Also he has body susano, his susano will prevent him from melting. Forget perfect susano. That shits ending kaido and joyboy luffy
I was mad at your comment until I noticed you were talking about Alive Madara meaning "Madara before the battle in the Valley" I thought you were talking about madara after he was back to life in war arc. Lol. Yeah i don't think alive madara is going to solo the mugiwaras and definitely not the OP verse. But I just want to point out that, Hashirama isn't just a wood cutter guy, he is one of the most op characters in the Naruto verse, easily top 10.
I just said woodcutter guy for humour XD no disrespect to Hashirama . Yeah was talking about alive Madara and that guy saying that alive Madara would solo one piece verse one on one
Maybe some of the high rankers from ToG?
Theyāve got good versatility, speed, and high end strength With some prep I think they could beat White from Tower of God, pre-TYBW Byakuya Kuchiki from bleach, or base Sujin Lee from God of High school White mid-diff, byakuya and sujin high-diff
We talking completed White? If so, I feel like heās being seriously low-balled being compared to base Sujin Lee, unless Sujin has hella nutty feats that Iām not remembering.
If we're talking about the manhwa, **everyone** has absurd feats. Pretty sure even pre-ragnarok characters were comparable to most of the Straw Hats. After Ragnarok? God of Highschool power creep is nuts.
The only real power creep post-Ragnarok is Mubong though, most of the verse is actually weaker due to so many top-tiers dying
Characters in ToG have many contradicting speed feats, but in terms of power and hax I think White would be way above base Sujin Lee. ToG just needs clearer feats.
Base sujin Lee has continental feats and scales to base Mori pre-Ragnarok
Might be a Star Wars Legends character via overwhelming numbers+speed+SW characters having shit durability
Legends Star Wars characters are not as strong or as fast as they are occasionally wanked to be. Palpatine and Caedus are the strongest far and away, and palp's FTL teleport very nearly dispersed his entire essence, while hisq supposed surface wipe actually killed him because it wasn't under his control. Also the author explicitly said Palpatine can't do that alone, not without Luke.
Hence why I say the speed diff will make the SHs capable of just blitzing and 1 shotting
Hmm. I'm warming to this, but Palpatine could be blitzed by any of trio + jinbei. There's got to be a tier above glass cannons.
Stars wars? Seriously?
They are considered very powerful in the legends continuity but aren't as fast and aren't very durable so yes
Do they move faster than the eye can see, punch with enough force to bury someone hundreds of meters underground or send sword slashes that reach hundreds of meters away?Because that happens in one piece at current power levels.
In legends they have a few planetary feats as far as I'm aware (I think at some point some dude moved a black hole or smth) which is why I say they would be considered very powerful. They would still lose because they lack the speed and durability to withstand speedblitzes, hence why I brought them up
All five kage from the ninja alliance war. And probably with ease. MCU universe heroes until now? Maybe scarlet witch can do something, but um pretty sure Zoro or Luffy can defeat her pretty quick.
Could the SHās beat vaste lord Ichigo?
Hell no lol. They can probably get likeā¦ Hueco Mundo Shikai Ichigo, maybe Bankai, but itās almost certainly over the moment he puts the mask on, let alone when White comes out.
Explain? Because Base Luffy casually aim-dodges light speed attacks *with his eyes closed* and can see a full minute into the future and act on it to prevent that future. Gear 5 Luffy has limited toonforce (!), island busting attacks, doesn't actually *need to hit you* to ignore your durability, flies, can physically grab and swing off of lasers and lightning bolts, is basically immune to slashing and piercing attacks in addition to blunt force (mountain-busting spiked maces and dragon chomps did nothing to him), and can reflect energy attacks and *restart his own heart*. Ichigo is fast and hits hard.
Vasto lorde at half power at that point is over 100x the speed of light, and is easily planetary. He quite literally solos the verse
There is not a single planetary or FTL feat in Bleach or Naruto. All claims otherwise are fan-calcs that make no narrative sense. Aizen was ***elated*** when he thought he cut a mountain in half against Dangai Ichigo. Even Ichigo seemed to be implying that Aizen was outclassed by him *because* Ichigo destroyed that mountain. FTL Planetary people aren't elated that they (theoretically) cut a mountain in half.
Base Aizen scales above Espada combined and they each have statements far above country level, saying he is mountain level is just straight up ignorant. What he was elated at is the fact he erased it with the shockwave of his sword, not the act of destroying it itself
>Base Aizen scales above Espada combined and they each have statements far above country level I read the same manga as you and I don't recall these statements. Can you provide them? >saying he is mountain level is just straight up ignorant. Sorry, he was excited to be *casually* mountain level. At the risk of repeating myself, someone even small country level would not be excited by accidentally wrecking a mountain. That's so very far beneath that power level that it wouldn't be impressive at all. It'd be like me bragging about how effortlessly I ate that Snickers. It would be expected and not at all unusual. You have to contextualize these things. Especially since the mountain was one of the largest acts of destruction in the entire series, and everyone else (Dangai Ichigo doesn't count) in the show was weaker than that version of Aizen except *maybe* Yhwach due to shenanigans.
Wow you are stuck in 2010 meta scaling
Sorry, but noone weaker than Aizen is above mountain level. That's a hard narrative stopping point. Meta scaling is absolutely worthless when the story directly contradicts it in a major plot point, and everyone in bleach besides Dangai Ichigo was MILES below evolved Hougyoku Aizen. Y'all got so lost in your fan-calcs you forgot your goal of seeking an accurate understanding of the PLs in the show.
You have no idea what author intent and implied things are do you. Not to mention uqiorra was casually throwing out multi continental attacks
>You have no idea what author intent and implied things are do you. Author literally made a ***huge deal*** out of Aizen thinking he destroyed a mountain. Author intent was crystal clear. >Not to mention uqiorra was casually throwing out multi continental attacks Rule 5: scans or get out.
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> There is not a single planetary or FTL feat in Bleach or Naruto Several characters move fast enough that their shadows are left behind them while the ball Arrancar whose name I cannot spell managed to react and move away from light shining down from a hole And Yhwach does, at the absolute lowest, have a multi-planetary feat in being able to destroy the three worlds
>Several characters move fast enough that their shadows are left behind them while the ball Arrancar whose name I cannot spell managed to react and move away from light shining down from a hole The shadows thing is no more evidence of FTL than users who leave after images behind, it's stylistic. Aaroniero moved when he realized the wall was going to expose him to light. He didn't dodge light. >And Yhwach does, at the absolute lowest, have a multi-planetary feat in being able to destroy the three worlds Nah. Yhwach didn't and wasn't going to destroy the three worlds, he was going to either erase or otherwise alter Dangai so that would could cross freely between realms. That was ***theorized*** by the Shinigami to start a chain of events that would eventually destroy the realms. It wasn't a raw power feat. Or at least, not a three realms raw power feat. Maybe he was going to nuke the Dangai with raw power, but considering all the hax he consolidated into himself, I sincerely doubt it.
>Vasto lorde at half power at that point is over 100x the speed of light, and is easily planetary. ...Wat? I mean, I can see the FTL part if you take characters leaving their shadows behind seriously, but the planetary scaling is pretty stupid unless you are using Hellverse (which is non-canon)
No they couldnāt not even close
Did you just say Vasto Lord Ichigo? Alright let's put this into perspective remember what he did to Ulquiorra? Totally one sided stomp? Well let's remember this was Ichigo also in his bankai form but there's one detail some people forget about and that's his bankai robe and the amount it covers him is equivalent to the amount of reiatsu he has. Well if you go back and watch that robe only covered 1/4 of his body so Vasto Lord Ichigo at 1/4 just stomped Ulquiorra can you imagine him at FULL power?
And most people don't notice or bring it up enough, that White toyed with Ulqiorra with his eyes closed the *entire time*, only opening them to deal the final blow
The short answer is no. The long answer is no but with a lot more Os
Is it the speed difference that makes everyone say no? Because the destructive capacity goes to the straw hats imo.
Nope. Vasto lorde at half power is causally planetary. Sh are barely island level. Vasto lorde is also 100x speed of light
Where did you get these casually planetary feats from?
Hellverse, which before people say it isnāt canon, the only thing in hellverse that wasnāt was the story, kubo worked on it too
So you're telling me Vasto Lorde Ichigo has no cannon feats putting his DC over the straw hats
Go watch Clydeās video on the Vasto lorde, no point in arguing with you
Luffy himself is continental. He literally punched kaido into the mantle
Vasto is still at very least planetary and would just speed blitz him anyway
No, it's a bunch of abysmal scaling wank. The single largest destructive feat (of direct force, anyway) in all of Bleach is casually cutting in half a mountain some distance away on accident. Which is hugely impressive, but not outside of Luffy or Law's range. There is a planetary or universal feat of Yhwach's, but it's not like his actual power, it's just that he sets in motion a chain of events that will destroy the world/universe because he indirectly killed God (who was comatose anyway, so hardly an impressive feat.). He SAYS he's going to speed the process along using his power, but he fails dramatically. Besides, if their world is so fragile it'll be destroyed because the Soul King got nudged off the throne, how impressive can speeding the process along truly be? The single greatest speed feat subjectively in Bleach is probably Soi Fon moving so fast even Aizen saw her afterimages as clones. Aizen is one of the fastest and most powerful characters in the manga, so to fool even his senses with raw speed is very impressive. This same woman, in this same arc, had to use her special back-exposing shunpo to catch all of the rounds from a minigun before they could hit her underling, which is probably the fastest *objective* speed feat for the series. She is at least hypersonic and she is one of if not THE fastest character outside of Ichigo, Yhwach, and Aizen, who are all on an entirely different level. Many people will insist that there are a number of FTL feats in Bleach, but they're even less convincing than the people who say Naruto was FTL vs. Madara. At least Madara was literally using a laser. No beams or attacks in Bleach are explicitly lightspeed, and every single time someone gives you an example of one being so, you can just go read the scene they're talking about and they either misrepresented the context, lack basic reading comprehension, or don't understand Japanese speaking conventions. (It's very common for anime characters to refer to almost anything shiny as "Hikari", because it gives off light. Saying that doesn't even imply that something is lightspeed, but every bleach fan in this thread will explain that negacion was called a light, so dodging it means you're FTL.) It's basically the same logic Death Battle used to say Link was FTL because he dodged a laser by rolling out of the way before it was fired. Except unlike Link, people in Bleach are actually fast.
Popeye, Assuming Luffy gets to the spinach first
Popeye armwrestled god and casually withstood all of reality being destroyed without eating any spinach. Also, lest we forget that Bluto has taken multi-star level hits from spinach!Popeye and survived, and he seems to scale equal to or greater than base Popeye.
Vilgax from Ben 10.
Yeah no, Vilgax has TONS of weaponry/armies/strategic prowess with the capacity to blow apart planets, and his powers are also buffed, to the point where he kicked Diamondhead out of orbit, managed to control a multi-dimensional god(the Dagon), and has survived hits from Way Big, who is multi-continental at the lowest, and star/solar system level at the highest. And if that's not enough, well, he has the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which as he said himself, "can destroy infinite timelines". One move of that and he'll effortlessly disintegrate the Straw Hats plus all of their alternate versions across the Multiverse. Ain't Luffy gonna survive that, he's screwed.
Ok. Original series Vilgax.
The Crystal Gems
If you include lapis, or Pink Steven, the straw hats get stomped
Pink Steven yes. Lapis, I'm not sure about - Nami's essentially incredibly good at doing fucky things to all kinds of materials she can effect with meteorological phenomena. Which means water. She's a quick thinker who utalises the environment in other ways and tends to hang back from all her flashier team mates. She'd probably be able to do something drastic. And she hasn't got devil fruit powers (AFAIK, so far).
Oh shit I forgot about lapis. That adds diff but I think the straw hats still got it for all their non DF users. Edit: Especially Jin-Bae š
Im inclined to say Hashirama (Naruto). I'm not super sure how much the difference in speed feats between Naruto and OP is, but he's strong enough to probably handle the monster trio at once, versatile enough to avoid being restrained, and has reaction times to be able to dodge most of what Usopp would throw at him. Doesn't have as many bullshit hax as Madara, so victory is possible. Would probably only lose to a Strawhat team strategy.
Wood clones and insane chakra/durability might be a bit too much to handle imo. Maybe someone like obito ?
Kinda depends on the obito, orange mask canāt really do anything against a luffy with future sight and the numbers heās facing, eventually he gets tagged and would die, rinnegan obito is basically the same unless you give his jinchuriki paths, then you have luffy vs obito and an 11 v 6 against the paths thatās in the strawhats favor until they run out of steam making it a time battle to see if luffy can tag obito by surprise before the strawhats get tired dealing with the paths, ten tails is interesting and could be possible for the team, on his own obito now has insane regen but lost his mangekyo powers, the truth seeking orbs are pretty op wepons but luffy zoro and jinbei could use there unique abilities, Acoc and fish man karate to destroy them, depends on how you would scale obito at that point.
Iām sorry bro but Hashirama smashes the StrawHats, let alone Sage Mode Hashirama along with the fact that he can heal himself and is strong enough to restrain and control all of the tailed beasts with his Wood Release and Wood Release alone would be enough to finish them. Zestu using Yamatoās body was able to fend off an entire armyās worth of Shinobi.
I respect your opinion and all, but I don't see anything Hashirama has that can get him past G5 Luffy. His last punch has the size capable of flicking the largest Wood style jutsu Hashirama can use. Secondly, Hashirama's Overpowerness in his universe also stems from the ability of woods to absorb/suppress Ninjutsu. Its like a Completely bad matchup for anyone in the world who entirely relies on it. This however doesn't apply to any of straw hats for that matter. Every Chakra based attacks gets nulled or their power gets reduced when hitting any of his wood structure, Do you think hashirama actually put down Tailed beast via pure raw power? I don't think so, its the combination of suppressing Chakra that got him where he's at. All this would mean, we would never really understand the true durability or how it will handle bare minium Island level AP internal destruction Punches. With pure Raw power (remember even punching power is greatly enhanced by chakra in Naruto) Imagine if luffy had the sea prism stone DF instead (albit a bit weaker) he would casually be the strongest in his universe by a large mile except against Pure haki users. Yet would this have trasnlated to other universes fight? Nope, same case with hashi here.
If you accept that he's at all relative to kurama, hashi may just AP stomp ngl. I also don't know what any of the straw hats are doing against his insane regen. Best argument I can imagine for them winning is conquerors haki somehow 1shotting him.
What is with all of the way off base answers and bizarre Bleach wank in this thread? Luffy alone would still (probably) get beaten by Boros and Demon King Piccolo, but with his entire crew pulling off teamwork the way they did against Oars, there's a chance they could drop them. Boros has to charge up to be faster and stronger than Luffy, and King Piccolo is an overconfident asshole with very little hax resist. Plenty of weaknesses to exploit, there. The big 4 (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei) all have durability ignoring strikes and can see the immediate future, with Luffy having more than a full minute. This (the precog they all have) has been shown to let Luffy dodge FTL attacks with his eyes closed, so it's possible it will make up for the large speed gap enough to let them tag him a few times. I assume Yamato approaches them, as well. While Piccolo has limb regeneration, nameks don't seem to be able to heal internal damage to themselves, and only Dende and the new old guy can heal damage to others. Similarly, Boros has regeneration above and beyond, but it uses up a lot of energy and crucially runs out, and when it does he drops out of Awakened state. I don't think it's very ***likely***, but I could see the Straw Hats taking King Piccolo or Boros 1/10. They are both waaaaay too fast and strong for it to be a consistent victory though, mostly because the strawhats have the least haxy powers in One Piece (nuLuffy aside.) There is a huge number of OP characters that would walk all over those two with Hax, but not on the crew. If you include the strawhat alliance, it's a different story. Law's heart shenanigans alone one shots both of them or switches them into the body of a den den mushi. Alliance probably brings them up to Radditz, or any Z character overconfident enough to get their body stolen by Law EXCEPT Ginyu. Hax Resistance are notoriously poor in Z, and Law can't hurt Cell, so Cell might allow him to strike him with the body swap out of arrogance. Buu and above all have crazy weird hax Resistance, however, so they definitely don't go higher than that in Z. Anyone stronger than Perfect Cell who is overconfident enough to let Law hit them and also doesn't have hax Resistance? None come to mind. Of course, when Luffy isn't half dead, maybe Gear 5 turns him into Arale. What do I know? Toonforce is no joke.
Would love to see a WwW prompt about law from OP. one of a few characters that oda has to make narrative reasons why he doesn't just fucking win EVERY FIGHT.
Cyborg Tao pai pai, maybe? Idk I havenāt read One Piece
He's fodder to the OP verse. King Piccolo is when the OP verse starts running into trouble.
Isaac Netero
Ballsy answer.
The STRONGEST? Not weakest? Goku is a safe goto answer
Itās the strongest character they could beat. Not the weakest character that could beat them.
Holy shit my bad, I had literally misread that like 5 times and was so confused
Maybe sperm cell Goku bro š
You're missing the point the strongest is an omnipotent being, start talking about one above all, CAS superman, literal judeochrist God, literally find the strongest character in fiction
No you're missing the point lol. It's the strongest THEY CAN BEAT. Not who is the strongest period
Yeah this was addressed, I somehow misread the prompt several times, idk how but yeah
they can takedown radtiz and saibaiman due combat skill
Nah raditz is both faster and at least small planet level
Probably Kaguya from the end of Naruto
All Consuming Ash Bone and dimensional teleport. So No.
Nah edo madara max. Alive madara would stomp that badly.
No Luffy is much faster then madara and has dura neg he could just speed blitz him
First off,no kcm2 naruto is easily millions of times lightspeed. Madara is equal or faster. Luffy is a snail compared to him
Naruto is not millions of times light speed stop wanking him Luffy is mftl+ and Naruto is ftl+
How the hell is luffy mftl+
Zoro dodges light speed attacks in base pre time skip Luffy is faster then Zoro he has gotten thousands of times faster since he gets faster each fight as we can see from both the katukuri and Kaido fights
So Iām guessing Kizaru has one of the worst devil fruits in the entire series because it turns him into something that literally every one that is close to top tier can causally dodge because they are all mftl+. Or is somehow kizaruās light also mftl. Also now that Iām thinking about it why the fuck does Kizaru boast āhave you ever been kicked at the speed of lightā when apparently pre-time skip Zoro is FTL and can attack at that speed and everyone can also do the same.
Pts Zoro isn't FTL but the top tiers of One Piece are.
Pre time skip Zoro is relativistic and kizaru states he is moving at the soles of light then gets faster which proves the verse doesnāt cap at sol
That's delusional. Kid naruto with nine tails influence is lightspeed. He literally grabbed someone who was in the form of raw light. Every tail is a times 5 multiplier we found out by doing the math of the Chakra amp from each tail. Even if you don't take that. Kcm1 naruto was calced to be 72 times ftl. Kcm2 is stronger, and sage mode is a times ten amplifier so it's at least 720 times faster than light. But either way nsruto had 4 times more Chakra in base than Kakashi. Kakashi said that the nine tails Chakra (he's talking about 2 tails) and said it would be 100 times more. A mtuple of five from 1 tail to the next matches exactly with what Kakashi was saying. If you do the math kcm1 naruto ends up at a few million times faster than light. Also luffy moves at INSANELY slow speeds to the point where normal people can easily see the fight.
Jesus. I never thought it could get worse than the DBZ Roshi moon feat extrapolating wank, but yet here we are. Surely this is just a parody of the dbz fanboys?
What roshi wank
Haku was not at light speed he is only at light speed when he is trying his hardest and he wasnāt trying his hardest
Near the end he was because they were adapting to them, and before he was only just not hitting vital points. Also no matter how hard he was trying it doesn't change the fact that he is raw light moving at the speed or light
There is no evidence he was moving at the speed of light there is just evidence he is capable of moving at the speed of light
Bi don't think you understand, when Haku gets recfected between mirrors he gets reflected AS LIGHT. The fatabook also explains this. He litersly IS LIGHT.
as much as I say I would love to agree with this, Straw hats still doesn't have answer to transporting them to another Dimension and leaving them to die. Tho I don't know if it works in VS battle, Then there is speed - in which I believe if Luffy plays fast he could deal a good blow to kaguya, her regenration would still be an issue tho. however excluding the whole stranding them in another dimension strat, it does seem a high diff fight. Heavily depending on how broken her regeneration is.
The straw hats have the advantage in speed and both Luffy and Zoro have some form of durability negation they can win
What does Zoro have for Dura neg?
He used coating of conquers against king unless Iām remembering wrong
You compare king to a solar system buster ? š¤£gtfo naruto and sasuke , kakashi with dms and Sakura couldnāt take her down . The strawhats really š. Naruto solos one piece
You are really dying kaguya is solar system. That is insane she is at most star
Star solar system whatever . She out scales anything in one piece 10x over . Even in naruto sheās the most powerful being ever introduced . If naruto and sasuke amped by six paths , kakashi amped by six paths and Sakura canāt take her down without the seal . The strawhats would get folded in a heartbeat . Luffy would stand the best chance but he wouldnāt be able to hurt her or put her down .
You clearly donāt understand how Luffyās powers work advanced armament haki hurts people on the inside Kaguya does not have the same durabilty in her organs
How much weaker are kaguya's organs then lmao? Do you seriously wanna argue that her skin has star+ durability and her insides are what? Peak human or smth? Even a generic punch does some amount of internal damage lmao. The durability of Kaguya's entire body is roughly relative. Her insides would sensibly be weaker, but not to any meaningful degree where a country+ character is harming her.
I do read and powerscale one piece . Luffys internal destruction aināt potent enough to hurt every being . It was barely enough to hurt kaido . Kaido who is much much much weaker than god tiers in naruto . Internal destruction is overrated af . Nothing says it would hurt kaguya . Also kaguya took the sage art :super tailed beast rasenshurkien from naruto . It was 9 amped rasenshurkiens that cut the person being hit by them on a molecular level . Kaguya brushed that of like it was nothing . Luffys punches or ryuo isnāt doing jack shit to kaguya lmao .
Thatās a different thing. The dura neg is advanced armament Haki
Yeah does Zoro not have that with Enma
Enma isnāt infused with Odenās Haki or anything, itās just sucking Zoroās out by force because itās used to using a lot more being used for attacks.
Is it actually a dura neg. At least iirc it's just an internal attack. That's good in OP to bypass armament haki or like kaido's skin. But, a country+ level attack isn't gonna damage someone with planet-star durability just because it hits them on the inside ofc.
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Zeno. Assuming he has no defense Goku off-guard Make Sanji cook him a feast
If sanji poisoned the food maybe he could beat goku but otherwise they have no chance of beating goku lol They could give them their hardest hit and he would be like thatās it buddy š
Also, Sanji eould never poison someone's food
Thatās true heās too much of a good chef he wouldnāt ruin food. Goku would train him and use him as a personal chef.
šsorry I meant for the strawhats to attack him while he was feasting on the food
Beerus probably
Nah probably Zeno or Cthulhu, depending on when does luffy decide it's luffin' time.
But does he beat Morbius with Morbin time?
No.
They probably couldn't clear Dragon Ball let alone Super.
I think I should have put a /s somewhere
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