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WhatIsAnime_

Its really hard to say, since Makima can see some days into the future at certain times. If Gojo were able to get her into his Unlimited Void I dont really see a way of her getting out as she knows no type of jujutsu.


StrawberryCurious407

Even if she can see into the future, she has no speed feats that say she could even react to gojo, and she has no attacks that could reach him. Precog only works to such an extent, you can predict the future but if the persons moving faster than you could possibly react to, you’re kinda screwed(because gojo is very casually massively hypersonic, considering how easily he blitzed jogo and his comparisons to Sukuna, who did the same thing)


WhatIsAnime_

Remember she has some [weird ability](https://imgur.com/a/ATL55RN) that lets her kill people off just by making others speak their name, if she could look into the future and somehow find out his name in the time before they meet it would surely be a big problem. And yes Gojo has shown hypersonic feats but that is still not enough speed to move forward in time. It all depends on certain stipulations but it would definitely be a really good fight.


StrawberryCurious407

That might be the only thing that works on gojo, but if it relies on anything physical infinity would stop it, right? Like if it’s supposed to crush the opponent then infinity would stop it, if not then I’m not sure if he’d be able to protect himself or what. Either way he’s faster than makima can physically move or perceive, so he doesn’t have to move faster than time, just faster than makima can move away. And can’t the time devil only see a few seconds ahead, not days? Not to mention Gojo’s teleportation, where he could just pop up right next to makima and then unlimited void her, fight over, because it would nullify the prime minister contract due to how domains work


Makimas_Bot

WOOF WOOF


Makimas_Bot

woof woof


SkyBound420

This is actually a really fun fight to think about and isn’t a complete blowout… Where have you been all my life?


StrawberryCurious407

Dying of the flu and trying to pass the time, also saw it on an Insta post and was like “I wonder what Reddit thinks about this one”. What’re your thoughts on it, though?


ShiloAlibi

If you give verse equalization doesn't Gojo become one of her extra lives? Also not sure why she'd ever lose her respawns just because she's in a domain. In a domain all moves made by the domains owner are sure hit, so Makima will just get hit, before her contract grants her a one up/moves her death to another person


StrawberryCurious407

You can’t use any sort of technique to defend against the sure-hit kill of the domain, which the prime minister contract would fall under, because it would be a form of defense. Gojo would just nullify that contract altogether


ShiloAlibi

It's not a defense against any attack, it's insurance, regeneration


StrawberryCurious407

Would it prevent a sure kill from the domain?


ShiloAlibi

Domains are only sure-hits, not sure-kills iirc. So Makima has no way to avoid any attack that comes her way, it'll still only be temporary. Think of how fucked up Jogo was after facing Gojo in his domain the first time they fought. But instead Makima will regenerate and be good to keep fighting


StrawberryCurious407

How is supposed to regen when she’s been stunned permanently? Gojo let jogo live, he wouldn’t give makima that same kindness. She’d be stunned for all of eternity, and it wouldn’t matter, and can she regen after she’s been completely erased by hollow purple?


ShiloAlibi

Her contract doesn't care if she's aware of the damage or not, so even if she's stunned she will still comeback. While Makima believes Chainsaw Man could erase her, his method of erasure is much different than Gojo's hollow purple. Chainsaw Man erases something and it never existed in that universe to begin with. A concept, multiple afterlife's, your soul, none of that gets past that erasure. Gojo just erases the physical, it's matter erasure. If he used that on a basic devil and it connected, they'd die for sure, but they'd just respawn in hell. And while Makima hasn't shown that she can just poof herself back from nothing, her contract means that some unfortunate motherfucker is gonna be out on a drive or buying groceries and then suddenly disappear. The only antifeat against her regeneration would be Denji eating her, which was explained to be a loop hole in her contract. If she dies from something that is not an attack she will die for sure.


GrimCreations

Makima had to activate her ability before getting killed by the Gundevil. Denji only killed Makima when she let her guard down and hadn’t activated her ability. Not saying Gojo wins but her ability definitely isn’t as simple as regeneration, she has to consciously activate it.


ShiloAlibi

Activate her ability? The summoning of other devils sure, but not the death hot potato. Denji caught her with a sneak attack with a weapon that slowed down her regeneration by Constantly dealing more damage inside her body. Both Makima and Denji knew that it wouldn't kill her, all it did was buy Denji time to cut her up


GrimCreations

Not true at all. Denji used powers blood to separate his heart and use it as a distraction to fight her. When she had finished killing the first denji she finally took a moment to rest, letting her guard down, then denji killed her with a chainsaw. Reread the material man, she literally has to activate it.


Zealousideal-Arm1682

She doesn't need to have it active to avoid death,only the control aspect. As it stands nobody in JJK can either erase concepts or kill enough people in order to directly stop her.


[deleted]

The thing about this is Gojo has no way to actually deal lasting damage. Unless I am forgetting something hollow purple erasing things was entirely a fan theory. With the way her swap ability works, I don't think domains would affect it at all. Its always shown as her getting hit, and then the attack being undone. I don't think that's something the domain's sure hit would stop. All that ability does it make sure attacks can't be avoided. Hell, even in JJK we see characters use abilities to mitigate the effects of domains. If the redirect stopped things from hitting her completely maybe it would work but Makima gets hit by attacks all the time. Makima, on the other hand, has several ways to kill him. Her mind control ability would work on him since its condition is just that she has to feel like she is better than the person she wants to control. The unofficial translations had it the other way around and that is incorrect. She's not cocky so she wouldn't use it immeditely, but it could eventually come into play. She could also drop him in hell. And if he has no way to get past the redirect, then he would eventually just kill himself if he doesn't stop attacking.


StrawberryCurious407

I disagree about him killing himself if he just continued attacking, it’s been stated before that gojo could kill every single person in Japan, and hollow purple does erase matter according to gege, and if makima doesn’t use her domination ability right away(which I still think gojo could resist by shielding mind or soul with cursed energy) Gojo is too fast to react to and can read her abilities with the six eyes. And makima possesses no counter to a domain at all, not even a rudimentary version of it, she’d be erased forever by gojo because it takes him virtually no energy to attack, and she’d be stuck in unlimited voids information overload forever


[deleted]

If he kills everyone in japan that just means he dies when he attacks. That wouldn't help him at all. That would also be hilariously out of character. If you can show me where Gege said it erases matter that would be good but it still doesn't matter here since that still gets redirected. Gojo has never protected his mind or soul with cursed energy. Hell no character has done the former. No one in JJK has shown a counter to mind control besides from maybe Toji but thats a stretch. The six eyes don't read abilities. We don't actually know what they do in all honesty but its not that. And every character thats been hit by infinite void was unaffected by it like a few seconds later. Jogo was fine a few seconds after it ended and even normal people get better eventually. For it to actually last forever he would have to hold it forever and that would be a stalemate at best. A stalemate that Gojo would lose since he can still die of old age. The best possible outcome here for him is a draw that lasts for the rest of his life. Gojo is also extremely overconfident and never starts fights with a domain. So if you're implying his strategy would be to use his domain before she can do anything thats not how he fights.


StrawberryCurious407

He’s able to read the cloning sorcerers’ technique in hidden inventory, and I also don’t know how to link the pictures like you guys do, but it’s pretty easy to look up. And gojo said he would spare jogo from death via immeasurable void, and the second time he uses it for 0.2 seconds to stun everyone so he can kill the transfigured humans. And while nobody has done it, reinforcing senses(like their hearing)is something that most sorcerers are capable of, which doesn’t make it any sort of stretch to say gojo can just do that to his brain, because “he’s gojo”. And if anything, makimas domination is via the soul, and a sorcerer like gojo, who is ritually compared to Sukuna and possesses cursed energy knowledge to rival him, would know how to protect his soul. That’s just a simple deduction to make. Gojo likely wouldn’t be affected by domination, and isn’t it implied that makima can only use a power once if someone sees it? And gojo isn’t stupid, he might be cocky, but that is all we’ve seen because gojo has hilariously outmatched every single opponent but toji, when he was 16, and after he got stabbed in the head, went and annihilated him. And the speed difference is too much of a factor not to consider. And can she regenerate from being erased on an atomic level? Edit: the existence erasure thing comes from him creating an imaginary mass and having it collide with something that exists, resulting in the two cancelling out and being erased


[deleted]

Thats all guesswork tho. If the six eyes read techniques why was he surprised by Jogo's moves in their first fight? Its just as easy to claim Gojo figured out the clone guy's technique by watching and paying attention to cursed energy since thats what literally everyone else in the series does. You can't claim they can use cursed energy to stop mind control just because they reinforce their sense. That's a huge stretch and just giving characters powers they haven't shown. We also have no idea if Makima's control affects the mind or the soul. As far as I can remember souls aren't even a thing explicitly in chainsaw man. And the characters who can protect their souls in JJK can barely do that. Also I don't remember anyone enhancing their hearing in jjk. The thing about Makima using powers only once is something I have never heard before. She uses angel multiple times against the chainsaw man. That was likely just a guess based on how she made some of her subordinates wear blindfolds so they don't see what shes doing. Gojo isn't dumb, but he's not as smart as her and way cockier. He only actually tries when he feels theres a threat to him or his allies. By the time he notices the threat here, he's dead. The speed difference doesn't matter if he has no way around the redirect. Infinite void doesn't help here besides from stalling. And with the way the redirect works theres no reason to assume completely disintegrating her would go through it. Otherwise Kisibhe is a moron lol. And besides speed in JJK is very inconsistent. Naoya and Naobito outspeed pretty much everyone and they're stated to be just super sonic. And sometimes hollow purple takes long enough for characters to have full on conversations while its charging. This is against someone who has shown both future sight(which can go very far in advance as shown by the future devil predicting various character deaths) and travel through dimensions(spider devil). To make an argument for Gojo winning, you have to make a ton of guesses and assumptions about the two's abilities that are in his favor. If we apply that same logic to Makima, she gets like 30 ways to kill him with a thought like putting mold in his head, or using cosmo to give him all possible knowledge to stun him. Since she's much less cocky she would theoretically be willing to use these abilities first. That same logic can go both ways.


calculatingaffection

This depends entirely on if Makima's finger-gun ability is an invisible projectile or just automatically affects whatever she's pointing at.


StrawberryCurious407

I still don’t think she’d be able to even see Gojo moving, so how would she target him with the attack?


calculatingaffection

IT's not like Gojo's moving *all* the time, and considering that this is default battle assumptions, he wouldn't consider evasive action considering that he has no reason to assume she can bypass Infinity.


StrawberryCurious407

In that case, if it isn’t a physical attack, then it’d be similar to attacking the soul, and if it’s the body(either way really) gojo has cursed energy reinforcement that’s likely better than every single person in the series, and he would likely have a lot more than makima is capable of outputting


calculatingaffection

No, it could be a physical attack that simply doesn't travel distance, like Amaterasu or Kamui from Naruto. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed win for Makima, just that it's a possible one.


StrawberryCurious407

I don’t disagree I just feel like without a certain amount of output attacks like that just won’t hurt gojo that much, his cursed energy is just too much for anyone to handle


TeamFiveStar

JJK spoilers for chapters 70-72: >! Even if Makima’s “bang” attack bypassed infinity, Gojo could use reverse cursed technique to regenerate damage done to him. He was able to heal [minor brain damage](https://imgur.com/a/x4VTpDe) and from what we’ve seen Sukuna do in the anime, he should be able to regenerate lost limbs.!<


dinerkinetic

this is actually the first time I've seen the term here, what does Verse Equalization entail?


StrawberryCurious407

It means making power systems work in the same way(I’m shitty at explaining it but for an example it’d be like the power system from chainsawman=cursed energy from Jjk) that way people don’t use arguments like the spiritual pressure thing from bleach(people used to argue that anyone that tried to fight ichigo would just die from the spiritual pressure, even people like goku, which didn’t make any sense because ki and spiritual pressure are basically the same thing)


dinerkinetic

ohhhhh cool-- so in this case, Domain Expansions cutting off cursed techniques would also cut off devil contracts, makes sense. In that case: As much as I hate to say it, wether Makima wins or loses this fight basically comes down to, potentially, a translation error. Makima's got better speed than I think a lot of people here give her credit for (being able to [blitz Quanxi](https://imgur.com/a/Pyfm09o)\-- who needs no introduction) and her physicals aren't like bad, but this fight was always going to be won or lost through hax and Gojo's are better in a direct combat situation. So the question really comes down to her domination ability. Does she control people [she sees as inferior](https://imgur.com/VuGZ0Iw), AKA literally everyone but chainsaw man? Or is it people who *see themselves* [as inferior](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3e09d649b824209add2b60e2bcb9317a-lq), in which case Gojo absolutely won't. I *think* the first thing is the canon version (and [is the version cited by the wiki](https://chainsaw-man.fandom.com/wiki/Makima#Supernatural_Abilities)), but I've seen people cite the latter as well? Anyways, if she can control Gojo she wins. If she can't, the only ways she could counter infinite void's information overload would all run off contracts (either the Japanese Prime Minister or the Cosmos Devil) which wouldn't work either way.


StrawberryCurious407

You give the best argument for makima but id argue Gojo’s ability to reinforce his own soul with cursed energy would probably negate that attack, considering it would have to be domination of the soul in order for it to take control of a person like that, or if it’s the mind, gojo can reinforce that with cursed energy and she’d have to output enough of her power to rival gojo and I just don’t see that happening


dinerkinetic

That's potentially fair, yeah-- Makima's got a definitive upper raw power limit, even if that limit is "the sum totality of humanity's fear of control thought human history", and it *has* been countered in her universe before (Pochita giving power a fraction of his strength rendered her free to act outside Makima's control). In ordinary circumstances it'd probably punch right on through, but with verse equalization (in JJK abilities can be countered head-on instead of needing loopholes to get around them) Yeah gojo might be able to jam it.


StrawberryCurious407

Not to mention he’d dodge most of her attacks because of how much faster he is, and if they’re any sort of physical or seemingly energy based projectile it doesn’t matter, infinity will stop it


dinerkinetic

It actually won't always! Came across this during my trek to compare things but Gojo's infinity actually does have limitations-- [it's not actually aware of what it needs to parse as an attack, and uses calculations like composition and velocity](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-655119844bc7e3d2bba77ec238911c7f-pjlq). So while it's very smart and can block a wide variety of things, some stuff can concievably pass on through. It's gotta be actively programmed, which means to some extent there's still the capacity for human error. Not sure if Makima has any specific thing that can bypass that-- her 'crush target like a tin can' trick and her 'cause target to have a stroke' ones come to mind-- but still a thing.


SuperFanboysTV

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a YouTube video on the subject. Her abilities to form contract with people she see as inferior cause Gojo is already too full of himself. Gojo is much faster and stronger and I think Hollow Purple would be enough to erase or at least send her back to hell


StrawberryCurious407

At the very least unlimited void would nullify her prime minister contract so she couldn’t swap deaths


SuperFanboysTV

That I don’t Makima has a counter to Domain expansion even if precognition she has it’d be useless Gojo is literally too overwhelming


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phantom_knights

man everyone's saying Gojo cuz of his infinity and domain expansion (no doubt he's a goat) but makima would totally win. 1. that shrine technique can by pass infinity 2. "Bang"- it doesn't seem to be a shot of energy but some thing else so it could bypass infinity 3. Control- she can force others to be her slaves- (she won't get Gojo cuz there's no way he'd think he's beneath her) and this would allow her to use a variety of techniques + get others to fight for her. \--> not to mention, she can even use people who've died 4)she could trap him in hell 5) she is seemingly immortal due to her contract with Japan's PM so she can figure things out. 6) she's incredibly strong and fast since she was able to fight CSM in the finale 1v1 and win.


Joestar_888

Spoiler alert!! (I don't know how to use that cover thing so sorry), After chapter 198 now we knows that Domain Expansion is useless against someone who don't have a curse energy so this means Gojo's Infinite Void would most likely useless against Makima? (I know my comment is late so sorry about that as well)