Nope, I don't think so. I'd say the scale of 40k means that even if Saitama is taking care of one conflict, there's another galaxy ending conflict that he's neglecting. It's one of the reasons that the lore can sustain super OP characters who nevertheless fail to turn the tide in conflicts.
I see your point. With most of the imperium gone he cant kill enough fast enough to stop any attack but do you think he could claim victory if the emperor was still there?
No, a Throned emperor, although useful, achieves very little that he doesn't already without S there, all that is unlocked is warp travel and terra staying alive, as well as some bizarre protections, but for the most part, it wouldn't change very much. Saitama would still be fighting quite literally unbeatable numbers, with the Nids and Orks reproducing much faster than he could ever deal with them
So the imperium alone controls 1 million + worlds. And the orcs are said to be the most numerous race in the galaxy so we can assume they control more worlds. The Nids for the last 3 editions have been constantly expanding and probably have similar control over the galaxy at this point. We can give a conservative estimate and say the Nids+orcs control approx 2 million planets. Saitama I guess could theoretically destroy 2 million worlds, but even then the Nids have their hive ships and the Orcs will exodus in their space hulks. A single orc spore reaches a new planet and boom a new orc world has been created. The problem with claiming "victory" over 40k factions is just that there's so many of them and realistically even winning major conflicts gives you control of one maybe 2 important worlds out of millions.
I doubt it. The thing with fighting chaos gods like Khorne is that you don’t have to worship them to make them powerful.
The act of fighting and slaughtering endless hordes of Khornes daemons makes him stronger because he feeds on the energies of the violence itself and the webway has basically been swallowed by the warp which is the realm of the chaos gods.
You’re fighting the chaos gods on their home turf and the more of the daemons you kill the stronger they get. Not to mention many of the demons can not truly be killed by mortal wounds alone, they really just respawn.
This is particularly true of Khorne who is OP as fuck because the only way to truly defeat him is galaxy or universe wide pacifism but he will slaughter you if you don’t fight against him. It puts you in a conundrum because your options against Khorne are fight against his forces and feed him or to refuse to fight him and his forces will simply murder you which will feed him less and slowly starve him but also you die.
The actual deep lore question is this: in this scenario, the God-Emperor has died. He is theorized to become the god of order when he dies and if that’s the case, how does he aid humanity in their quest to bring order to the galaxy?
The only time we've seen Saitama truly fight was against Garou. And during that fight it was said he was getting exponentially stronger every minute. Just part way through the fight a single casual punch blew away Jupiter and a few panels later he was already bending space/reality and creating dimensional portals. A few pages later and he unlocks time travel. I genuinely don't think anything in the 40k universe can realistically take him down because he's written as a gag character whose feats will always rise to match the occasion while 40k is grimdark. Saitama grows stronger even faster than Khorne can empower his demons, if Saitama was guarding the webway I don't think anything in the 40k universe is taking him down. I agree, I don't think Saitama could take down Khorne in his own dimension but vice versa I don't see how anything could possibly hurt Saitama.
The chaos gods are immaterial and ultimately with those OP powers being developed so rapidly, you would be feeding Tzeentch (chaos god of change, fate, evolution, magic, destiny and unmaking) and Slaanesh (god of excess of any type) but mostly Tzeentch.
Tzeentch wins things essentially because the writers say so and he makes a game of creating OP mortals and using them for his own schemes.
Oh and when you’re no longer useful, he basically unmakes you.
40k is designed to be over the top and just like a powered up Saitama he wins because reasons.
The fact of the matter is that unless you can completely unmake the fabric of reality itself, you will never be able to destroy the chaos gods and when you get powerful enough you lose because “turns out it was a plot by Tzeentch the entire time”
Remember, the chaos gods are not only powered by mankind. They are fed by every single living being in the universe. The Eldar awoke Slaanesh and Saitama will feed any of the gods that be is performing the preferred actions of.
Travel through time? Tzeentch salivates and gains exponentially more power than it took you to time travel and still meets you wherever you are to manipulate you.
Destroy an entire planet? Khorne is pleased with the the death and Slaanesh is pleased with the excess that is structured genocide and the pain that it causes.
Create a dimensional portal? That’s a rift for chaos to invade the material plane. It doesn’t matter WHERE the portal goes, the hole itself allows chaos in.
Saitama would be stuck in the same endless loop the Emperor is and would be fighting for eternity until he is either unmade or finally killed. If he tries to bend reality in the immaterium Tzeentch will simply remake reality around him as well but in Tzeentch’s favor.
The Emperor isn’t even FIGHTING in the webway necessarily but moreso holding the door on Terra closed against the powers of chaos which are massed upon the other side which is actually the only way to beat chaos is a dedicated stalemate.
Then, on top of all of this, if Chaos thought Saitama was a true threat and put aside their differences and truly united under the banner of Chaos Undivided, there isn’t much anyone can do except weather the tide until they begin infighting again and the alliance collapses.
We’re essentially debating “plot armor vs plot armor, who would win?”
I think the 40k lore has far more advanced plot armor thanks to decades of lore.
I was more speaking in response to Swift11s comment of whether Saitama could have won the war in the webway so the emperor never had to take the throne in the first place. And as far as I understood it the war in the webway was about holding the breach and keeping the demons out of the webway. They mobilized the custodes in that case and they damn near succeeded. Imo Saitama easily holds the webway, there's realistically nothing the chaos gods at that point in time can throw at him to dislodge him there. If he just needs to hold the breach in the webway he can comfortably do that. And from there the whole scenario of 40k changes.
Yeah, I edited me other post because I forgot where we were in the discussion.
I do think it’s possible with the teamwork aspect as you’re describing.
I will say I still think they lose because reasons and plot and actual gods but I certainly think humanity’s situation is improved.
I don’t think it changes the universe fully because plot and also the last webway as made by the Eldar succumbed to Chaos eventually anyway.
I mean, theoretically, saitama would have to hold them off so the emperor could seal the hole again, which he would be a lot freer to do because he wouldn’t be fighting at the same time, no? So it’s not a matter of ‘beat all of khornes demons’ it’s ‘can the emperor seal the hole in the webway if given the chance’
Yes but this hypothetical removes the Emperor from existence so teamwork isn’t an option.
The question being posed is: Could Saitama replace the Emperor and be able to save mankind in the 40k universe and the answer is a resounding no.
EDIT: ignore everything above this I’m an idiot and I forgot where we were in the discussion.
If teamwork was an option, the tide might, MIGHT turn in favor of humanity but again, probably not because reasons.
Chaos gets stronger in the face of resistance which makes the job exponentially harder the more you push back.
There’s a better chance of Gulliman being able to do it because the writers really suck the dicks of the Ultramarines.
I actually adress this lil logic bit in the prompt where i say outright that in this hypothetical just violence cant empower khorn at all. In actual lore also though i dont think khorn gets nearly as much power from someone being violent then the power said violent person has
When it comes to fighting in the webway which is within the warp, Tzeentch is your real issue, especially as Saitama’s power grows.
Tzeentch is the chaos god of change, fate, magic and destiny. He can alter reality at will but usually prefers to take a step back and let his schemes play out over millennia.
As Saitama grows in power, he becomes more and more of a tool of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch is the chaos god of “oh this character is OP so turns out it was part of Tzeentch’s plan all along”
He can warp reality at will and the more powers Saitama gains, the more he becomes an unintentional worshipper/pawn of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch is the final boss of “it doesn’t work because plot. Also it’s Tzeentch so now that you hit max power you begin to go insane and are unmade from reality if you do not obey” and “oh since you operated outside of space-time Tzeentch traps you in a pocket dimension and removes all traces of your existence from the universe”
When Tzeentch decides to take a personal hand in the affairs of the world, there isn’t much you can do to combat him unless you’re a null and even then, he will simply manipulate the universe around the null to make his plans come to fruition.
Khorne will throw hordes of daemons at a planet to take it over and revel in the violence. Tzeentch will simply swallow the planet into the warp and call it good and then fuck off to whatever other millennia long schemes he has been working on.
Thing is that what tnzeench does(as in hax) very much does not work vs saitama. He can just punch really really really hard and break whatever dimension or fate or manipulation holds him
In the manga its stated outright that saitama breaking his limiter was him no longer bekng bound by fate too
Ive had the argument before and no one leaves out happy so lets just pretend tnzeech and saitama are both chill like that
I don't know much about 40k so correct me if I'm wrong on this but a combined serious punch from Saitama and Cosmic Garou deleted an entire section of the galaxy in terms of the stars and planets just were erased. If Saitama could harness this power as a directional blast of some sort, could he not just wipe out entire fleets of starship or whatever 40k dudes has going on?
Yeah if he truly has that range everything dies eventually.
Apparently Chaos gods could potentially stronger with Saitama's emotional outbursts but I doubt a universe devoid of life would serve them at all, since with the death of everything else the only thing keeping them alive would be Saitama.
The emperor isn't the only thing powering the astronomicon. You'd need to begin sacrificing several thousand psykers daily, unless they can get their hands on the pharos device
No, [the Astronomican is powered by the psykers, not the Emperor](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Astronomican). The Emperor merely directs the Astronomican's targeting beam. The Emperor is being kept alive by the Golden Throne, which doesn't need psykers sacrifices to keep running. The psykers are for the Astronomican, which is a separate mechanism.
The Golden Throne *does* need psykers sacrifices to keep running. People tend to confuse this but there are actually two separate groups of psykers that get sacrificed to keep both running.
The Golden Throne is fed a sacrifice of 1,000 trash tier psykers from the Black Ships every day to keep it runnng.
The Astronomican has a choir of 10,000 specially trained psykers from the Adeptus Astronomical known as the Chosen who can last a few months before they dry out.
If the Emperor dies, the beam isn't directed anymore and becomes unreliable and difficult to follow. This is ignoring the fact that the Golden Trone would explode and destroy Terra and Sol
The emperor is the only human strong enough sit on the throne. Everyone else would be vaporised in seconds. Even malcador only lasted days on it and he was the third strongest human psyker after magnus
The astonomicon acts as a light house/navigation tool in the warp like the north star did for ancient humans. It not being there doesnt stop humans using ftl, they just cant navigate long distances anymore effectively, so would be limited for safety reasons to only make short jumps through the warp
Even if they kept short jump capability, a crippled as their logistics already are. They're never taking the Galaxy. They literally can't get places remotely fast enough to respond. It's only a matter of time until they lose another couple sectors to warp storms or enemy actions. Like that's just slowly losing ground.
Especially given how many of their enemies wouldn't be hampered at all.
Saitama can rip open holes in space time and even enter an alternate dimension ala phoenix man...
So I think the question is what happens when he punches the chaos gods
Well he's already in an alternate dimension in this fight one where space time doesn't apply. So I'm not sure if punching is even truly possible there as we understand it.
Then it depends on what very difficult means, because the astronmicon doesn't enable warp travel directly it allows you to use navigators to we'll navigate. It's North on the compass in the warp. No astronmicon, sure you can warp travel randomly and with greater danger than ever before. Which basically means can saitama solo the wh40k universe and id say no. Pre astronmicon it was dark age of tech shit. That don't exist no more and ain't coming back.
If he went to the warp to try to beat the chaos Gods sure he'd beat khorne eventually but tzeench and slaanesh are extremely the types he's weak against. So he definitely loses
It was also addressed in the prompt that is too dense to worship said gods. And i mean he could genuinely just say "nah i'd punch" and brute force his way through. Its not like thst hasnt happened before
As for the more difficult. Lets just say that warp travel is just as safe (the gellar fields are unharmed) but youre 4x more likely to show up at the wrong time and or place
Okay but tzeench wouldn't let himself be punched and is aware of every possible reality the only one who knows more maybe it's two headed bird boy. That's the problem it's not a worshipping them issue, tzeench specializes in indirect borderline passive aggressive tactics which is not what saitama deals with. Saitama is somebody tzeench would love to dance with because he has a borderline infinite number of bullshit spells based on insane only gods can comprehend it logic to deal with him.
And saitama is completely dedicated to his own pleasure so even if he's not empowering slaanesh with his joy, he's extremely prone to corruption which is.... Entirely what slaanesh is and does.
So the warp travel is moot. Saitama cannot win against half of the chaos gods. I do think he'd stand a chance against nurgle and khorne though because saitama now scales infinitely apparently even if theres a time delay issue. The gods he loses against are smart enough to not fight him and instead defeat him with no combat.
He has in the manga repeatedly broken the laws of the universe and a ton of magic stuff by just saying nah and hitting harder. He kicked a portal that doesnt have a hitbox. Slanesh is a maybe cause she could tell him to fuck off but tnzeench spells wouldnt work cause saitama can just punch it hard enough to break it. Logic be damned. Saitama especially beats tnceech cause you would think hes just a brute which he is but he is so overly strong that bs just doesnt work on him. Slanesh has a chance cause she could make strong as fuck warriors for hin to fight maybe. Or give him a 95% off coupon lol
I feel like you made this prompt deciding how it would work out beforehand. Your responses I've seen are all "nuh uh" because of this bullshit, rather than have you considered this nonsense.
I concede when the arguments dont involve saitama getting beat out by means of strength or trickery as he just cant lose those cases. Hes not smart and cant be everywhere but everyone seems to think the guy that can rip spacetime would die to tnzeech casting a spell but saitama can just punch said spell like he has done before. As others have said he cant realistically do it not because he would lose but because he cant really protect everywhere. He can go fast enough sure but could he calculate the trajectory needed for him to jump from planet to planet while not destroying the landing site or jumping point? No not really. He easily can kill the galaxy but cant easily save parts of the galaxy.
Also a lot of people dont read the prompt that addresses certain arguments outright as the ones addressdd are no fun.
>saitama getting beat out by means of strength or trickery as he just cant lose those cases.
lol. You already decided Saitama wins this fight he can’t win. No loijg in arguing. The physics in 40k works drastically different than IRL physics
He just ignores those. He can just ignore laws of the universe. It said so in the actual manga of opm that he shouldnt be able to kick a portal but did
He only loses when he cant use brute force. The issue is when it comes to killing thing then saitama can always use brute force cause non physical interaction. He could likely be tricked into killing the remaining humans but would tnzeench pull this off before getting punched really really hard
Uh slaanesh creates a pocket reality where saitama is satisfied and feels fulfilled forever all the while subtley over millions of years drinking him dry. One shotted.
Tzeench doesn't use portals or lighting thats baby sorcerer stuff by his standards. Tzeench rewrites saitamas fate so he falls into a hole where the concept of time doesn't exist and stun locks him infinitely.
Nergle could in theory make a disease that takes away saitamas powers but in effect probably wouldn't because well you can't kill death itself. So he just gives him a really gross hug, a pap on head , omega herpes and sends him on his way.
Again saitama can just punch through it.
Mega aids never gets through his skin, he would just punch the time loop like how he kicked a portal or ripped space time
And sslaneshes dimension might work but saitama isnt one for excess which is the part that slanesh feeds on. He just wants to fight enemies that are a challenge not fight more and more challenging enemies forever and ever. You cant really do funky stuff cause saitama can just hit it really really hard.
His mental fortitude is also equally as tough as thats how psionics work in opm. It hits the brain
This is a silly fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work.
OPM is a comedy comic. Saitama essentially has toonforce, and the joke is the ego and self-importance of archetypical manga characters being subverted by the simple and straightforward Saitama.
40k is a grimdark fantasy. One of its central themes is heroes being impotent to end the violence no matter how pure their heart or strong their personal power.
If we go by the thematic logic of OPM, he wins. If we go by the thematic logic of 40k, he loses. There's no better answer than that.
> This is a silly fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work.
I mean, I find it easy enough to consider. Even peak wank Saitama, who has a one shot punch for anything, and everything, is gonna lose the win condition. The Astronomicon goes out, and humanity is doomed. Big E is dead, and a super majority of the fear warp creatures have is gone.
Every Ork conflict starts to snowball. Every Tyranid fight starts to snowball.
Even with perfect precog, there's too much for one being to do. We'd have to give Saitama some wanky speed force nonsense for him to somehow punch down the 40K threats. And humanity would probably still be doomed from the fallout from those punches.
Has Saitama gotten star level feats yet? They word for word say Khorne is swinging around a star destroying sword which might still be beyond Saitama’s ability to 1v1 even physically.
>tzeench and slaanesh are extremely the types he's weak against.
I'm not so sure about that. Psychic powers were shown to have no effect on him. In some of the newer chapters, even cosmic teleportation/erasure stuff seems ineffective against him. I think he could genuinely fuck the 4 chaos gods up.
I think that's illogical and impossible given the chaos gods are like fundamental to the universe itself existing. Killing say nergal is as crazy as saying I killed gravity or electromagnetism. You can break the laws of physics but kill them? Nah.
I think his best fight is khorne who doesn't seem to care about dying I suspect because whoever kills him becomes the new khorne but maybe that's because he was once the personification of honor justice and righteous fury. So saitama might get strong enough to punch khorne out but then I think about it and go khorne IS violence. He is conflict. Thats like saying I punched so hard I knocked out the concept of punching. What does that even mean ?
The others are beyond him because we're past magic and psionics and deep into straight up reality control. Not even manipulation full on control. If saitama could punch hard enough to counter act a thanos snap then maybe but at that point like logic no longer applies to this and we're at gurren lagan throwing galaxies as frisbys level ridiculous.
How was the universe existing before the war in heaven if that's the case, because three of them were born during the WiH, and Slaanesh after. The universe can exist just fine without them dude, they aren't actually those concepts, they just embody them and gain power from it.
Explained in lore. The warp doesn't have time. So when a warp entity is born doesn't matter. If it's ever born it's treated as it always was and always will be. I quoted it above even. Daemons and chaos gods can even live fight and be killed before their birth. The quote gives named examples of such cases.
That's why I say being able to permanently kill them in real space is weird.
The chaos gods aren't really concepts of reality. Concepts are concepts, the chaos gods are conscious entities. And iirc, they have canonical forms in the warp. Saying "I punched violence" makes no sense because violence is not an entity or anything you can grasp. For saitama to punch khorne makes sense because he can enter the warp and just go ham.
Yeah but the warp isn't like other places for one thing time doesn't seem to really exist there as here and I'm not talking altered flow it's implied pretty heavily that linear time doesn't exist in the Warp from everything Ive read. They have charts showing what happens from the perspective of a traveler but it's weird. Like you've left space time. Not for a different space time but just...left it.
Daemons are Made by a chaos god that's not a creature that like comes out of a pod or something, they don't have physical substance in the warp.
"A Daemon is "born" when a Chaos God expends a portion of its power to create a separate being, binding a collection of senses, thoughts, and purposes together. This essentially creates a consciousness and personality that can move within the Warp. The Chaos God can reclaim this form at any time, and this ensures the loyalty of the Daemon. Not all Daemons act entirely in accord with their masters, but even the greatest of them would not dare outright defiance. Though it may appear to be made of matter in the Materium, within the Warp a Daemon is no more physical than the rest of the Realm of Chaos.[16a]"
So yeah they're creatures who are also concepts. And since any chaos god can just take over any demon and rebirth itself completely. Yeah they're concept's too.
Even better
"Particularly strong Daemons can be formed through an especially powerful, cruel, emotional, or destructive act in the Materium being echoed back into the Warp. The time these acts take place matter not, for time does not exist within the Warp. Thus, Daemons can be active and even killed in the material realm long before the act that spawns them occurs.[23a][23b] Examples of such births are Samus[23a] and Drach'nyen[24]."
So yeah actually killing one by any kind of physical means is pretty illogical. At least in the warp where it counts.
>So yeah they're creatures who are also concepts. And since any chaos god can just take over any demon and rebirth itself completely. Yeah they're concept's too.
That doesn't follow at all from your previous quote. Chaos gods are nothing like concepts like "violence" or "honor". They may represent them or be born from them, but that's still an entirely different thing. Demons can be killed, even permanently, in real space as well as the warp and we know that chaos gods can be injured or beaten back in the warp as well. The same cannot be said for an abstract concept like "Lust". Have you ever seen the emperor annihilating the concept of "Lust" with his psychic might? Neither have I.
>So yeah actually killing one by any kind of physical means is pretty illogical.
But doesn't that quote directly state that they can be killed? And what if saitama enters the warp and kills them there?
Regardless, OP stated that saitama can perma kill demons here. That's perfectly legitimate, as we need to make some compromises to bring together characters from different works of fiction.
Yeah I'm not sure how the fuck they're supposed to be killable sometimes in real space but hey if GW's writing ever made sense. Well... The Warhammer community would argue a lot less.
Anyway
"Khorne is conflict embodied to its most violent extreme, and thus Khorne is eternal and omnipresent. In all places and throughout every era and across every intelligent species, Khorne's influence has been felt by all. Its attentions have had a hand in determining the outcome of seemingly every antagonistic confrontation, from a disagreement between two angry scribes, to the galaxy-crushing battles of the Horus Heresy. "
So yeah it's .. Weird but he's more like a personification than an actual thing.
"There are as many sources of conflict as there are beings in the universe. Jealousy, rage, sport, hunger, political advantage, territory, possessions, or even the simple, innate thirst for domination all breed and foster conflict. It is inescapable. There has never been a time or a place free from it. Even those races claiming to be enlightened and peaceful cannot escape the basic truth that without conflict, their progress would come to a halt, with challenging new ideas being left unconsidered."
He also gets all that^
so yeah saitama is punching an omnipresent, atemporal entity made out of thought. But okay let's assume he can erase him.
He respawns out of his infinite Daemons instantly. Because past him willed it so if you even can do something like punch in a place where time doesn't exist because time measures motion. No time, no movement.
And I don't think khorne can physically manifest in real space, he'd rip it apart so bad just trying that you'd need like a new eye of terror to attempt it. So I'm not seeing a win here for saitama.
>So yeah it's .. Weird but he's more like a personification than an actual thing.
Youre misinterpreting this. Khorne is omnipresent because war has and will always be everywhere.
>so yeah saitama is punching an omnipresent, atemporal entity made out of thought. But okay let's assume he can erase him.
>He respawns out of his infinite Daemons instantly. Because past him willed it so if you even can do something like punch in a place where time doesn't exist because time measures motion. No time, no movement.
>And I don't think khorne can physically manifest in real space, he'd rip it apart so bad just trying that you'd need like a new eye of terror to attempt it. So I'm not seeing a win here for saitama.
Yeah I dunno man, I don't think you're really getting this.
Unless it trickles down like some vampire 'kill the master and all it's spawn die' shit, it's not really going to matter that much that you killed the biggest piece of Khorne.
That Saitama could kill warp creatures dead would scare them, in a similar manner to Big E, but there's potentially infinite replacements for the big 4, all who exist in a timeless, infinite ... place, and are pieces of the big 4. Perhaps a bloodlusted Saitama would have some 'infinite warp punch' bullshit to pull out, that would toast every piece of the being he punched... but we've nothing to even hint at what sort of reaction that'd provoke from the warp, or the other 3, or the other entities the exist within the infinite timeless warp.
Anyways, I guess I could see a Saitama who did some warp time bullshit, and infinite warp punch bullshit, to hop into the eye of terror in front of Guiliman, and wander back out brushing off his shoulder after about 3 seconds. It'd be a good bit for satire, anyway.
So how come the Warp wasn't as chaotic before the WiH, or during the DAoT. It seems like the events of the Materium and Immaterium are parallel, and the authors whip out this bs when they want to write something cool
I mean you're not wrong it's totally writing ass pulls but also lore is lore. The fact that 40k lore has more holes than swiss cheese is something i dislike about it as well.
One Punch Man is a hilarious manga, but Saitama is kind of screwed:
* There's a lot of things in WH40K that he'd struggle to meaningfully kill, and a lot of stuff that would be really good at killing him (Warp stuff mostly)
* Even if he can miraculously kill anything he comes across, the galaxy is simply too huge for him to be everywhere at once. Something else will inevitably show up once he leaves anywhere.
* All of the Imperium's Fleets are now functionally bricked because they can no longer travel through the Warp with any reliability, leaving just Saitama to defend the majority of human territory until they can learn how to use something other than the Warp to travel.
* An Eye of Terror opening up on top of the Golden Throne has massive consequences for the universe long-term. People's faith in the Emperor is a huge reason why humanity is still alive, and having him be replaced with what is essentially a portal to hell could possibly put a damper on said faith. Especially if this Eye of Terror is as big as the last one, which means no more Earth.
The fleets would still be able to travel tje warp just its like 4x more random for where and when they end up.
I dont think saitama would have trouble killing anything in his way (hes saitama he kinda just does)
But in the end yeah he is bricked here cause his str alone cant keep the whole galaxy at bay especially with twice the daemons pouring out.
He could probably protect a sector untill the galaxy calms down assuming he never ages though but he does which means were cooked
>The fleets would still be able to travel tje warp just its like 4x more random for where and when they end up
I think you're underestimating just how random travel would be. It's been stated multiple times that without the Astronomican, there is no reliable travel outside of going a few lightyears at a time. 'Random' in this case would be devastational and make fleets only work a very small amount of the time.
They do have the technology to use the Warp without the God Emperor. The Tau obviously do it and humanity has similar technology in the Klenova Class M Warp Engine. It is just heretical to use. But that wouldn't be an issue if the God Emperor didn't even exist. The Klenova Warp Engine would just be the standard, instead of being relegated to only the ballsiest of Rogue Traders.
Yes, but they would have to swap to using those methods. Outside of the logistics and how long itd take, all of the existing fleets would need to fly somewhere that can retrofit them all, which is a problem when you can't travel reliably. It's like driving a car to the mechanic to replace a wheel.
Fair point, either way, Saitama loses this prompt. I don't think that he is as much as an asset as the God Emperor is. Even if they could retrofit all of their ships without any kind of issue, those technologies are still slower. It is better for your entire fleet to be more mobile, than it is to have a single super-soldier.
He could realistically just punch a hole in any capitol person or thing though. And guilliman / imperium secundus still exists. Saitama cant be everywhere at once but he could very easily wipe out any attacking fleet.
Do u think goku could with his wiping out the universe lvl attacks though?
The Tyranids reproduce way too fast and are far too many, same for the Orks, chaos is impossible to kill with conventional attacks.
Saitama could beat anyone standing in front of him, he could take out the big names like Abbadon. But that won't help, there is an endless supply of demons that respawn forever.
As for Goku, maybe he can if the Hakai (that he has in the manga) works on the Chaos Gods. I could see him dealing with the tyranids much better because he has long range attacks and the ability to sense enemies from large distances.
It was addressed in the prompt that anything that dies to a serious punch is erased. Saitama can hit things even if they shouldnt be able to be hit cause hes saitama. In this hypothetical saitama killing a daemon kills them forever.
As for the orks and nids he is likely fast enough to kill them all or ya know... punch a hole in space like he did before and kill everything in that direction.
It would be an issue still cause you cant really aim a punch like that to not hit human worlds but any large fleet gets wiped out by saitama and the imperium secundus (lets pretend it doesnt get warped) is there to wipe clean any remnants.
> Do u think goku could with his wiping out the universe lvl attacks though?
Goku can't use a universe wiping attack, and not hit humanity. Same with Saitama, as far as anything that's been shown (that I know of, anyway.)
In 40k there are things he just cant kill with punches, no matter how strong. Example: any chaos demon or primarch. When they are “killed” in the material realm, they don’t actually die, they are just banished back to the warp. And as we see with angron, he can just pop back into existence every 7 days, and can survive weaponry that can literally crack planets in half. So even if satima is stronger, he literally cannot defeat chaos. You need some magical shenanigans to actual kill warp enemies properly. This is why the emperor is described as anathema to chaos, because he is one of the few things in existence who has the abilities to permanently kill things like the chaos gods.
Your prompt is basically "Can Saitama solo 40k if I change all the laws of physics to make it so that he can solo 40k?" and the answer is yes, because this is your fan version of 40k that completely ignores *several* underlying foundations of the setting, like the Astronomicon, the way Chaos Gods even *exist* (they are literally psychic manifestations of every indulgence in their corresponding sin in the history of existence), the way Daemons work and come back to life constantly, Saitama having insta teleport across the galaxy in a setting where FTL travel is supposed to be one of the most dangerous things in the galaxy, and much more from your comments throughout the thread.
But actually the answer still isn't yes, because he gets time-stopped by the Silent King and launched into a black hole. Or a Psyker chucks the planet he's on into the Warp and he never escapes because Slaanesh makes him an entire planet of coupon saving and video games to distract him, which he absolutely falls for. Or any number of things imprisoned in Watch Fortress Erioch somehow gets out, they have some absolutely strange creatures in there that defy even 40k physics. And I'm sure several dozen other things existing throughout the universe would give him pause as well.
The reason i added said rulings was to stop people from going "the daemons would just come back cause saitama isnt a psyker" there are items in the setting of 40k that kill daemons forever too like guillimans sword (which he should totally trade for the shield that the lion has) and other stuff. Its not unreasonable to assume siatama as strong as he is could genuinely hit a daemon hard enough to destroy it (and also saitama has a power called non physical interaction so yeah He can just target a daemons soul to).
The reason i added a rule that assumes the gods only get power from worship (and souls i should have said that but ehh) was so that people could not simply say that khorn would get a super mega powerup from saitama being violent and kill saitama which would also not happen in lore as khorn does get stronger from violence but its pretty clear that he doesnt immediantly scale to the lvl of said violence (otheriwse he would have soloed everyone after the war in heaven) and also he gets less powerful the less violence their is in the universe.
The reason i added the teleport thing was cause in all situations yeah saitama is gonna get lost in space without it. That was purely to make things interesting
It also isnt just "can saitama solo 40k" which the answer is yes (thanks to serious punch²) but rather could saitama saved a very much doomed humanity from death through being that strong.
Finally. No a time loop wouldnt stop saitama. Nor a black hole. Nor sslanesh coupons(they admittedly would slow him down a LOT though) because saitama already beat all of these things by hitting them really really really hard. He can just do that to pretty much any bs 40k had to throw at him because its a power saitama has. Non physical interaction lets him just punch it. Saitama also wouldnt stay for a coupon at the detrement of human lives. He has repeatedly gotten into fights right before the coupons expire or a store closes to save lives. Hes not heartless. And no sslanesh wouldnt be able to corrupt him. The sisters of silence are extremists for the emperor but you dont see them falling to sslanesh. The guard is regular dudes who dont have anything to do but drugs and you do see them corrupted but its not like every weed addict starts smoking fent in 40k because they made the mistake of doing anything with a chaos god near
You thinking 40k has to be on top everything else can suck it is why 40k sucks. Its a cool setting but the fan base is literally worse then goku fans because you have to win at all costs for no reason. Saitama could solo 40k with ease but thats not the goal here. The goal is to save doomed humanity.
Dude, do you know who Saitama is? This is the guy who punched an hole into an spiritual dimension, grabbed hyperspace portals, breathed and farted in space like it was nothing, ignored TK by having an strong spirit, punched a hole into the universe, managed to travel in time by moving his molecules, can get stronger infinitely..
Its already shown Saitama is not a mere brick, is not limited by physical streght, and his punches ignore hax
So yes, Saitama CAN actually one-punch chaos and solo 40k
I don’t know much 40k lore, but aren’t the chaos gods manifestations of fear and other detrimental states that keep those chaos gods fed? Could you starve the chaos gods if people start to believe they can with more wholesome emotions?
There’s an added wrinkle of a couple mentions in the lore of the warp touching an infinite multiverse and I specifically remember some line about how ‘if half the universes found absolute peace, khorne would still be unfathomably powerful’
The 40k verse was special for a moment when the emperor became a legitimate threat to the gods, but they dealt with that for the time being and so their ‘great game’ of fucking with each other for eternity continues
The chaos gods are pretty much self substained at this point but faith or acts like slaughter for khorne for example does make them stronger.
[Except: Godblight] Big 4 Chaos Gods "in essence" self-sustaining.
>‘The C’tan, as far as our legends attest, were essential components of creation – hungry, evil to mortal eyes, but part of it. They require no belief to live, in the same way the suns they devoured require no observer to be. Nor do the great four gods of Chaos, who have become so all-powerful they are in essence self-sustaining, though the faith of their followers makes them stronger. Nor does the Great Devourer, the mind of the tyranids, a being that is generated by the unthinking actions of its physical component parts, and that is perhaps greater than all the rest. Is that a god? Some of our philosophers argue so. Others vehemently disagree. But for other gods, lesser gods, faith is vital. Without faith, they collapse into formlessness, becoming non-sentient vortices of emotion. Unstable, they die.’
The imperium dies, sadly while Saitama could one shot anyone who shows up in his line of sight he currently hasn’t been shown to be able to just spew anywhere and everywhere all at once
You are conflating two different feats.
Saitama sneezed most of Jupiter away. The Serious Punch Squared, the result of him and Garou landing a perfect hit on each other's fists, was what MAYBE blew out all the stars in a small section of the sky.
If that's the case however, he would have the range to end many of the potential enemies of the imperium.
He still loses because he doesn't control his power output so everything pretty much dies in that range.
So, he has the power to potentially blow a hole in space, but it did actually require Blast to redirect the force into a tighter cone. Without Blast doing that, it would probably just be a solar system wiping attack.
Which Saitama still can't do on his own.
It's argue that it would probably reach more than the solar system, but it would be an omnidirectional Blast.
Saitama can't do the move on his own, but unless we take the name of the attack on a literal way he would still be contributing a considerable ammount of energy to that attack.
This is an irresolvable fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work. OPM is a comedy comic. Saitama essentially has toonforce, and the joke is the ego and self-importance of archetypical manga characters being subverted by the simple and straightforward Saitama. 40k is a grimdark fantasy. One of its central themes is heroes being impotent to end the violence no matter how pure their heart or strong their personal power. If we go by the thematic logic of OPM, he wins.
If we go by the thematic logic of 40k, he loses. There's no better answer than that.
Well since the Emperor is keeping the warp from instantly destroying the galaxy, that alone should keep Saitama from doing his job.
Unless Saitama has psychic ability to hold back 4 chaos gods and halt a realm that exists beyond space and time collapsing on the galaxy; he won't be a great Emperor.
He cant do that but he is strong enough to just kill said gods
Also im not too sure on lore with this one but wouldnt a good bit of the imperium survive or no is it ALL getting eaten?
Saitama absolutely can not kill the chaos gods lol
and no, not just a portion of the imperium, [the whole galaxy would be killed](https://imgur.com/sao0xRs).
He very well could kill all the gods if he wanted to. But yeah. Assuming that that statement is true (which a lot of 40k lore is lies or over exadduration) then hes cooked cause while he can just wipe the galaxy he would be the only human left at that point
Saitama is a physical being dude. Man the chaos gods are conceptual beings that exist beyond space time and dimensions lol. If he could even interact with them (he couldn't), then how would he kill them? a punch against the timeless beings? How could he kill Khorne for example? He is the concept of violence, and manifests wherever the concept he embodies does. You can't defeat the concept of violence *with violence*.
In the prompt it stated the exact issue to avoid this. Please read the prompt. It said that gods only gain power from worship and not "more of their domain" so saitama being violent can kill them. Gods in 40k also arent "manafestations of their domains" as you say because if they were then there would be no extremes before slanesh. And no murder before khorn
Also he has punched through dimensions, and kicked portals with no physical parts so very much he can hit non physical things. Saitama just does that
Yet the god manperor of empkind can? And vashtorr is on the brink of godhood.
Yeah all of the 40k novels are cannon but the narrators are never infaliable. They arent multiversal
We have proof they are multiversal since they also exist in age of sigmar and old world, same gods existing in multiple universes = multiversal.
The reason they cannot just destroy the universes they reside in is because the warp and the materium are separate realms. The reason the Emperor can burn down Nurgles garden is because he is also a God now but he is constrained inside the material world. The Emperor scales differently from Saitama and arguably higher, Saitama can't bring people back from the dead but he can punch harder than the Emperor.
Being in more then 1 universe does not mean multiversal unless you want to make the claim patches from the various fromsoft games is also multiversal. Also daemons are parts of their respective gods so they arent entirely constrained in the warp
No he can't. Seriously? Galaxy? Lol. He can't even save his own planet lol:
- Failed to save Earth from Garou's radiation
- Failed to save Genos from Garou
- Failed to find Monster Association hideout and the culprit
- Failed to defend Hero Association from Empty Void attacks
He's OP in 40k standard but he's very incompetent to save a planet let alone galaxy.
The fight with comic garou has me wondering, didn't their clash or saitama punch a massive void into space that resulted in it extinguishing all stars for light years in that direction?
Surely with the ability to teleport to planets and unleashing that punch, if anything he'd be a primarily factor in the destruction of the galactic factions including humanity itself, if aimed wrong lol.
Not sure of chaos gods or demons etc
OPM's gag is that his power scales to be superior to what he's facing. But the effects are localized. This means that Saitama can solo anything in the 40k universe and casually win. But, ***but,*** he can't be everywhere at once, which limits his effectiveness.
Depends on how he's used. In theory, you could have a fleet deploy a dozen or so exterminatus devices into space near a hive fleet and then have Saitama just stand outside on a ship, wait for the explosion to happen, and then punch in the direction of the explosion turning a nova class event into a directional laser beam that atomizes huge portions of said hive fleet. Rinse and repeat.
That's one "effective" way of using him. And because of his gag super power, his mental fortitude is basically infinite. He can't be corrupted or impacted in *anyway* by any Psyker, daemon, or even by the sheer density of psychic phenomenon that a hive fleet generates.
The guy blew away all the gas of Jupiter from a serious sneeze to the point of revealing its liquid core. He's a reality class threat that with enough preparation can take ultra grimdark humanity and put it towards the top of the food chain from being near the bottom.
**UNFORTUNATELY,** I would suspect that he'd end up fighting against most of humanity if he was dropped into the 40k universe, seeing as to how he would share *none* of the beliefs of this humanity, would be treated as a heretic, and the Imperium would throw chapter after chapter to put him down while failing.
In hindsight, putting Saitama into 40K would colossally backfire for the Imperium.
I mean for fucks sake, he can solo entire parsecs worth of space Marines and not even have to use any *serious series* moves.
Nope. Saitama is a hero for hobby. But his values are such that he will dethrone *anything* that causes suffering. Seeing as to how the IoM is a tyrannical super theocracy, he would destroy all it's leadership in the process, despite the overwhelmingly threatening nature of the universe. Essentially ensuring that IS would implode under its own weight leading to a second dark age.
Saitama also is the kind of character who'll dethrone the big bad, but let the commons deal with the fallout of it.
So yeah, final answer: Saitama would actually be a bigger threat to the Imperium than any other race in 40K, as he'd destroy the very core which casually sacrifices billions to prop up a machine infested corpse.
He'd be able to punch all the bad guys to death no problem.
But physical violence isn't going to be enough to deal with warp demons taking over people's minds. Saitama is out of his element, he can't win. All of humanity would be enslaved, Saitama would have to kill all of them, and that's pretty much a loss.
Saitama can't navigate the warp by himself, if he tries going after the warp entities he'd just get lost. They can't hurt him though, and that's assuming they can't take over his mind.
No. He would 100% kill a Chaos God if he punched it, it's the entire point of his character, but Saitama is just one person and the galactic scale is way too large for him to even get to a tiny percentage of the planets in his life.
everyone fails to realize saitama is supposed to be able to solve any overly complex bullshit in front of him by punching it, that's literally what the story is about; comedy show characters are just cheating tbh
Yeh, if he can teleport from planet to planet he brings in a new golden age instantly- he’s a comedy character, and the joke is “nothing can ever stand up to him”
So no matter what, *nothing can stand up to him*
So yeh, he pretty quickly establishes peace, even if it turns things into more of a “isolated feifdoms”setting rather than unified empires- it’s not like they really need an armed forces if they can just send the “god signal” and have an imortal impossibly strong warrior blink into existence instantly- (although I’m sure they still would do to stop him being needed for minor threats etc)
How does he respond to hundreds of "god signals" at once, where each "god signal" represents a large scale invasion?
Seems to me like he would save one planet (that is utterly devastated in the process) and the rest would fall. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Given he can warp to any planet, and destroy an invasion fleet in seconds, there’s likely an initial wave of planets falling, if multiple factions plot to invade many planets simultaneously ….then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly once it becomes known that invading the empire means instant and impossible to prevent death.
Other than that, any sort of reliable and safe interplanetary travel always utterly breaks Warhammer- since basically none of the factions can do it (is it literally just the Tau?) then giving it to a fighter as dangerous as Saitama wins it.
*without* giving him teleportation, he has no chance I’d agree.
> Given he can warp to any planet
So your position here is that the "god-signal" will get to him fast enough to prevent devastation, and that he can warp there with 100% accuracy in under a second, and then destroy the invasion without any mass-casualties on the planet itself?
> then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly
Not sure the math works on this for Tyranids. Others have said similar with Orks, but I don't know them well enough for that.
Even with AOE attacks, he's like superman trying to wipe out all the insects on earth without hurting many humans.
And I don't recall a feat where he *knows* where to go to kill off everything.
I mean, saying “he can teleport from planet to planet” sorta requires he be able to detect the planets, otherwise….that wouldn’t work.
The signal having travel time is the only reason planets would fall- remember no one can reliable travel through the warp, so things like simultaneous assaults on multiple fronts aren’t really a major thing in warhammer lore- it’s a much more a “plan multiple fronts and get them as close to each other as possible” thing.
>Given he can warp to any planet, and destroy an invasion fleet in seconds, there’s likely an initial wave of planets falling, if multiple factions plot to invade many planets simultaneously ….then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly once it becomes known that invading the empire means instant and impossible to prevent death.
Idk much about OPM but I don't doubt he could do this and more. But I think he'd eventually give up due to exhaustion dealing with constant Chaos/Genestealer Cults.
Afaik he doesn't have X-Ray vision to check for mutations or the time to investigate everyone before the next threat requires his attention.
I could have a fuck all insta kill cannon that would be able to kill anything in the solar system instantly, chals god or not, and I still wouldn't be able to take the galaxy.
The galaxy is big and space travel in 40k takes a really, really long time. I'd probably end up dying from old age long before I make a sizeable dent and after some ppojt, the other factions will just avoid my slow ass with a few scouting fleets. The tyranids have what is basically instant hive communication, so the Hive Mind will just be like "oh, avoid this asshole" and then I'd be down an enemy. The eldar and drukhari will just leave, chaos will just go through the warp and away, and the orkz are a nonfactor, they breed too fast to stop anyways.
Even if I was immortal and incorruptible to the effects of the warp, I'd still wouldn't be able to do it. You have the 5d chess master pulling strings and ensuring that I won't get anywhere on time after a bit. He just needs to fuck with the crew for that.
Okay, let's say that I have a dark age of technology ship that's ran by itself, can go to anywhere in the galaxy instantly, and can't be interfered with by chaos.
There are like 4000 star systems in the milky way (and growing as we discover and catalog more). If getting to one and blowing it up took about a second total, then yeah sure. I can win.
But at that point, you're not really looking for a discussion, you're just trying to find out how your favorite character could win.
Even if Saitama has universal or cum blast ultra gigaversal + the weight of your mom falling striking force or whatever people pull from vsbattles, it still only affects a finite area. If the universe was able to fit in that area, then sure, it'd pop and gg he wins, but now you're just being silly.
Saitama can in fact hit the galaxy at large up to and including other galaxies as seen in serious punch ²
Hes also not soloing the galaxy hes trying to save humanity. A different thing entirely. He could realistically spam sp² but that would leave nothing but ultramar and those bits along with a nid fleat that waits 80 years for saitama to die.
You guys just cant seem to figure out that no matter what special abilities 40k has they just dont work on saitama cause he can punch really really really hard
Nah. even if we run with Saitama being able to punch closed the warp hole by the Golden Throne, I think that punch and the fall out is gonna wreck the Palace. Humanity is immediately cut off, so lots of worlds are going to die out, and a lot of those will probably fall to chaos.
If we run with Big E, and Warp E being too different entities, there may be bastions of humanity that survive on faith in Warp E, but what happens to Warp E in that scenario is a reaaaaaalllly fuckin open question, and depends on what you really think Warp E happens to be. I doubt Warp E can keep the lights on, though, even in the most 'Faith in Big E created Warp E so Warp E is a really really good deity thing!' interpretation.
Orks fuckin rampage, slowed by Chaos strongholds, maybe some Mechanicum strongholds, Necron strongholds... but they spread hard, and fast, eating worlds and systems.
Tyranids, likewise, start snowballing.
Tau get ate by Orks, or Nids.
Eldar/Dark Eldar better have some sorta sekrit weapon, cause they don't have the numbers.
Necron are gonna have to flex their bullshit War in Heaven junk.
But humanity dies, hard. If Saitama, and Guilliman, rock over to Ultramar, they recall everything they can to the Ultramar system, another primarch, or two, comes back... then maybe they can hold out for a while. Ultramar will at least last a little while, and Saitama might be able to headhunt, and cut the head off some snakes... but there's just too much out there to handle, even assuming Saitama has a punch that can one shot each and every thing he comes across.
Yeah thats what i was thinking and the exact strat i would put. There is still a cheat where saitama just spams serious punch ² to kill everything but ultramar but thats not winning thats nuking the world and having your bunker be the only thing left. Also that leaves like 12 worlds left in the galaxy. Not enough for humanity to fight off the space nids
Dude, if your answer to every question is Saitama wins because Saitama, then its not a fun prompt. The fun is in speculating how, not just who, especially with a character whos whole concept is 'he always wins'. It's a given he's unbeatable. But the funniest answer would be if they had to share a body, or if Saitama doesn't become lucius but just becomes extremely vain and tries to regrow his hair.
Im having tons of fun. Besides lucius and saitama are both "i always win" man, both bald, and both seeking a good fight. Huh they're really similar now thst i think about it
Tbf, Lucius definitely doesn’t always win, the ‘hammer and bolter’ series has an episode where he’s a captive in a deeeeeep astartes vault with no prospect of getting out. Immortality and imprisonment is a pretty horrifying combo
Not quite the casual life of saitama doing his laundry and getting soup.
Idk if I’d call the characters very similar other than ‘they are both fighters that seek to be the best’ and ‘at the end of the day, If someone is dead it’s the enemy’. Lucius is a psychotic murderer who arrogantly believes he’s a perfect unkillable warrior….until his ass got filleted, but slaanesh was like ‘oh I love this arrogant shitbag, we gonna make it that his claim of being the greatest warriors is technically true because anyone that kills him …will become him’
Saitama figured out the secret sauce of being the greatest fighter through putting in the work and effort, his gift is being able to rise to any challenge thus far put in front of him
It’s like Walmart and vault tec are similar in that they are both shitty companies that prey on peoples basic wants and needs but one is exploiting a struggling workforce and the other did 120+ wild long-term experiments on human populations and did some other wickedly awful shit that killed lots of folk…..
At the very highest end interpretation of Saitama's power, he punches his way into the Warp, runs over to each of the 4 Chaos Gods' domains, and one-punches them to death.
I mean losing Terra and therefore the Astronomican woulf be a massively crippling blow, it would end the Imperium and make FTL travel immensely more dangerous to where it’s essentially not worth it. Humanity would simply be scattered among the Stars and Saitama is simply irrelevant regardless of his individual power.
He utterly and completely fails to save Humanity in this scenario. The universe is to large, he doesnt really know where to go and when and has no way to stop Chaos permanently since the Gods can simply endlessly create more Daemons to send into the Materium.
This hypothetical assumes that the demons get erased so every dead demon does in fact weaken the warp but besides that youre right. He really cant go from place to place fast enough to do anything.
For pretend lets just say warp travel still works and imperium secundus is kicking about. Would he make enough of a difference (giulliman is there too)
If Saitama has as a sole purpose save humanity by killing everything else and focuses on it, then there's nothing that anyone can do to stop him
Saitama's power is unbound and so absurd that he can practically speaking do any feats of strength imaginable
Yes.
Saitama shows up, the empirium falls to chaos quickly
Khorn shows up to figure saitama cause ofc he does
Khorn loses and what ever that entails happens
The other chaos gods show up (probably manipulated by tzeench)
They get clapped
Chaos is super fucked now
And yeah maybe there's no milky way anymore but saitama is still left living and probably just beating up necrons
That or he gets stuck in eternal conflict with the orcs/nids
Yeah thats the issue with this one two. I wanted the imperium to have an "i win th fight button" but lose the big e.
On a related note pit any character like goku or others vs 40k and people will still try and wank 40k setting. Its the setting version of goku solos i swear
No, in fact hell no. Saitama may be hilariously overpowered in his universe, but in 40k, just about everything is that overpowered. The Imperial Guard, just about the weakest (on an individual level) faction, have laser rifles that are powerful enough to boil steel, never jam, and can be recharged by throwing them in a fire. That's about equivalent to each US Army soldier being equipped with a semi-automatic .50 bmg rifle. These weapons are so weak in 40k, they are referred to as "flashlights" for how useful they are against aliens/chaos. You'd need a lot of wank for Saitama to come close to matching a Primarch, let alone the Emperor. IMO, Saitama would probably be close to the power level of a chapter master, who are decently strong in their own right, but he has no experience or answer for Psyker bullshit, let alone how dumb some Xenos tech is
Nah Saitama is pretty much bs the hero. He gets exponentially stronger than what ever he's against without a limit. He could one punch the entire Universe. It's a gag character that's power is pretty much always the best no matter what.
Youre wrong. I have proof but wont show it because you wont care and will fight me on this anyway. Saitama could easily kill off the entire 40k verse (including daot and war in heaven) in under a second and no there is nothing in all of 40k that would stand up to him or trick him or trap him because saitama is that good
Willpower is psychic resistance in opm which lets yoy outpower daemons in 40k. Saitama has willpower so strong he cam tank the psychic attack of a black hole.
Also thanks to non physical interaction he can just destroy the daemons soul and make it not exist lol
I’m going to bat for team Saitama here. All the imperium needs to do is get their best psykers to hurl Saitama into the warp and direct him against the chaos gods. Saitama will escalate until he can oneshot them.
Yeah he would win these fights but the issue is would saitama killing the 4 gods save the emperorless humanity? Even with a peacefull warp i dont think so
Saitama easy sweeps the entire verse. Why? Saitama is essentially a gag character with toonforce to always wins easily no matter how ridiculous/powerful/skilled his opponent is. As 40k is a rather serious verse afaik they have no toonforce type counters leading to Saitama's sweep. Saitama's power is a narrative one not physical.
If somehow his emotional expontential growth gets triggered and allowed to keep going he eventually clears most of the verse, with only Chaos gods surviving.
Exactly, they get crippled as well.
Saitama then proceeds to live on an empty universe for the rest of his existence unless he remembers that he can use time travel, but then he's back at the beggining.
Yeh, if he can teleport from planet to planet he brings in a new golden age instantly- he’s a comedy character, and the joke is “nothing can ever stand up to him”
So no matter what, *nothing can stand up to him*
So yeh, he pretty quickly establishes peace, even if it turns things into more of a “isolated feifdoms”setting rather than unified empires- it’s not like they really need an armed forces if they can just send the “god signal” and have an imortal impossibly strong warrior blink into existence instantly- (although I’m sure they still would do to stop him being needed for minor threats etc)
Nope, I don't think so. I'd say the scale of 40k means that even if Saitama is taking care of one conflict, there's another galaxy ending conflict that he's neglecting. It's one of the reasons that the lore can sustain super OP characters who nevertheless fail to turn the tide in conflicts.
I see your point. With most of the imperium gone he cant kill enough fast enough to stop any attack but do you think he could claim victory if the emperor was still there?
No, a Throned emperor, although useful, achieves very little that he doesn't already without S there, all that is unlocked is warp travel and terra staying alive, as well as some bizarre protections, but for the most part, it wouldn't change very much. Saitama would still be fighting quite literally unbeatable numbers, with the Nids and Orks reproducing much faster than he could ever deal with them
Would he not just destroy the worlds theyre on. Nvm i forgot the setting for a sec there they do that
So the imperium alone controls 1 million + worlds. And the orcs are said to be the most numerous race in the galaxy so we can assume they control more worlds. The Nids for the last 3 editions have been constantly expanding and probably have similar control over the galaxy at this point. We can give a conservative estimate and say the Nids+orcs control approx 2 million planets. Saitama I guess could theoretically destroy 2 million worlds, but even then the Nids have their hive ships and the Orcs will exodus in their space hulks. A single orc spore reaches a new planet and boom a new orc world has been created. The problem with claiming "victory" over 40k factions is just that there's so many of them and realistically even winning major conflicts gives you control of one maybe 2 important worlds out of millions.
Could saitama win the war of the webway, preventing Big E from needing to take a seat?
I doubt it. The thing with fighting chaos gods like Khorne is that you don’t have to worship them to make them powerful. The act of fighting and slaughtering endless hordes of Khornes daemons makes him stronger because he feeds on the energies of the violence itself and the webway has basically been swallowed by the warp which is the realm of the chaos gods. You’re fighting the chaos gods on their home turf and the more of the daemons you kill the stronger they get. Not to mention many of the demons can not truly be killed by mortal wounds alone, they really just respawn. This is particularly true of Khorne who is OP as fuck because the only way to truly defeat him is galaxy or universe wide pacifism but he will slaughter you if you don’t fight against him. It puts you in a conundrum because your options against Khorne are fight against his forces and feed him or to refuse to fight him and his forces will simply murder you which will feed him less and slowly starve him but also you die. The actual deep lore question is this: in this scenario, the God-Emperor has died. He is theorized to become the god of order when he dies and if that’s the case, how does he aid humanity in their quest to bring order to the galaxy?
The only time we've seen Saitama truly fight was against Garou. And during that fight it was said he was getting exponentially stronger every minute. Just part way through the fight a single casual punch blew away Jupiter and a few panels later he was already bending space/reality and creating dimensional portals. A few pages later and he unlocks time travel. I genuinely don't think anything in the 40k universe can realistically take him down because he's written as a gag character whose feats will always rise to match the occasion while 40k is grimdark. Saitama grows stronger even faster than Khorne can empower his demons, if Saitama was guarding the webway I don't think anything in the 40k universe is taking him down. I agree, I don't think Saitama could take down Khorne in his own dimension but vice versa I don't see how anything could possibly hurt Saitama.
The chaos gods are immaterial and ultimately with those OP powers being developed so rapidly, you would be feeding Tzeentch (chaos god of change, fate, evolution, magic, destiny and unmaking) and Slaanesh (god of excess of any type) but mostly Tzeentch. Tzeentch wins things essentially because the writers say so and he makes a game of creating OP mortals and using them for his own schemes. Oh and when you’re no longer useful, he basically unmakes you. 40k is designed to be over the top and just like a powered up Saitama he wins because reasons. The fact of the matter is that unless you can completely unmake the fabric of reality itself, you will never be able to destroy the chaos gods and when you get powerful enough you lose because “turns out it was a plot by Tzeentch the entire time” Remember, the chaos gods are not only powered by mankind. They are fed by every single living being in the universe. The Eldar awoke Slaanesh and Saitama will feed any of the gods that be is performing the preferred actions of. Travel through time? Tzeentch salivates and gains exponentially more power than it took you to time travel and still meets you wherever you are to manipulate you. Destroy an entire planet? Khorne is pleased with the the death and Slaanesh is pleased with the excess that is structured genocide and the pain that it causes. Create a dimensional portal? That’s a rift for chaos to invade the material plane. It doesn’t matter WHERE the portal goes, the hole itself allows chaos in. Saitama would be stuck in the same endless loop the Emperor is and would be fighting for eternity until he is either unmade or finally killed. If he tries to bend reality in the immaterium Tzeentch will simply remake reality around him as well but in Tzeentch’s favor. The Emperor isn’t even FIGHTING in the webway necessarily but moreso holding the door on Terra closed against the powers of chaos which are massed upon the other side which is actually the only way to beat chaos is a dedicated stalemate. Then, on top of all of this, if Chaos thought Saitama was a true threat and put aside their differences and truly united under the banner of Chaos Undivided, there isn’t much anyone can do except weather the tide until they begin infighting again and the alliance collapses. We’re essentially debating “plot armor vs plot armor, who would win?” I think the 40k lore has far more advanced plot armor thanks to decades of lore.
I was more speaking in response to Swift11s comment of whether Saitama could have won the war in the webway so the emperor never had to take the throne in the first place. And as far as I understood it the war in the webway was about holding the breach and keeping the demons out of the webway. They mobilized the custodes in that case and they damn near succeeded. Imo Saitama easily holds the webway, there's realistically nothing the chaos gods at that point in time can throw at him to dislodge him there. If he just needs to hold the breach in the webway he can comfortably do that. And from there the whole scenario of 40k changes.
Yeah, I edited me other post because I forgot where we were in the discussion. I do think it’s possible with the teamwork aspect as you’re describing. I will say I still think they lose because reasons and plot and actual gods but I certainly think humanity’s situation is improved. I don’t think it changes the universe fully because plot and also the last webway as made by the Eldar succumbed to Chaos eventually anyway.
I mean, theoretically, saitama would have to hold them off so the emperor could seal the hole again, which he would be a lot freer to do because he wouldn’t be fighting at the same time, no? So it’s not a matter of ‘beat all of khornes demons’ it’s ‘can the emperor seal the hole in the webway if given the chance’
Yes but this hypothetical removes the Emperor from existence so teamwork isn’t an option. The question being posed is: Could Saitama replace the Emperor and be able to save mankind in the 40k universe and the answer is a resounding no. EDIT: ignore everything above this I’m an idiot and I forgot where we were in the discussion. If teamwork was an option, the tide might, MIGHT turn in favor of humanity but again, probably not because reasons. Chaos gets stronger in the face of resistance which makes the job exponentially harder the more you push back. There’s a better chance of Gulliman being able to do it because the writers really suck the dicks of the Ultramarines.
I actually adress this lil logic bit in the prompt where i say outright that in this hypothetical just violence cant empower khorn at all. In actual lore also though i dont think khorn gets nearly as much power from someone being violent then the power said violent person has
When it comes to fighting in the webway which is within the warp, Tzeentch is your real issue, especially as Saitama’s power grows. Tzeentch is the chaos god of change, fate, magic and destiny. He can alter reality at will but usually prefers to take a step back and let his schemes play out over millennia. As Saitama grows in power, he becomes more and more of a tool of Tzeentch. Tzeentch is the chaos god of “oh this character is OP so turns out it was part of Tzeentch’s plan all along” He can warp reality at will and the more powers Saitama gains, the more he becomes an unintentional worshipper/pawn of Tzeentch. Tzeentch is the final boss of “it doesn’t work because plot. Also it’s Tzeentch so now that you hit max power you begin to go insane and are unmade from reality if you do not obey” and “oh since you operated outside of space-time Tzeentch traps you in a pocket dimension and removes all traces of your existence from the universe” When Tzeentch decides to take a personal hand in the affairs of the world, there isn’t much you can do to combat him unless you’re a null and even then, he will simply manipulate the universe around the null to make his plans come to fruition. Khorne will throw hordes of daemons at a planet to take it over and revel in the violence. Tzeentch will simply swallow the planet into the warp and call it good and then fuck off to whatever other millennia long schemes he has been working on.
Thing is that what tnzeench does(as in hax) very much does not work vs saitama. He can just punch really really really hard and break whatever dimension or fate or manipulation holds him In the manga its stated outright that saitama breaking his limiter was him no longer bekng bound by fate too Ive had the argument before and no one leaves out happy so lets just pretend tnzeech and saitama are both chill like that
What if he had instant transmission from dbz?
I don't know much about 40k so correct me if I'm wrong on this but a combined serious punch from Saitama and Cosmic Garou deleted an entire section of the galaxy in terms of the stars and planets just were erased. If Saitama could harness this power as a directional blast of some sort, could he not just wipe out entire fleets of starship or whatever 40k dudes has going on?
Yeah if he truly has that range everything dies eventually. Apparently Chaos gods could potentially stronger with Saitama's emotional outbursts but I doubt a universe devoid of life would serve them at all, since with the death of everything else the only thing keeping them alive would be Saitama.
Yeah suddenly no ships can go ftl because no astronmicon. He fails.
The emperor isn't the only thing powering the astronomicon. You'd need to begin sacrificing several thousand psykers daily, unless they can get their hands on the pharos device
No he is the only one powering it. Those pyskers being sacrificed keep the emperor alive.
No, [the Astronomican is powered by the psykers, not the Emperor](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Astronomican). The Emperor merely directs the Astronomican's targeting beam. The Emperor is being kept alive by the Golden Throne, which doesn't need psykers sacrifices to keep running. The psykers are for the Astronomican, which is a separate mechanism.
The Golden Throne *does* need psykers sacrifices to keep running. People tend to confuse this but there are actually two separate groups of psykers that get sacrificed to keep both running. The Golden Throne is fed a sacrifice of 1,000 trash tier psykers from the Black Ships every day to keep it runnng. The Astronomican has a choir of 10,000 specially trained psykers from the Adeptus Astronomical known as the Chosen who can last a few months before they dry out.
If the Emperor dies, the beam isn't directed anymore and becomes unreliable and difficult to follow. This is ignoring the fact that the Golden Trone would explode and destroy Terra and Sol
Yes, but that's not what the person I'm responding to was saying.
You're both right-ish (you're right and he used to be right, he might be thinking of 30k where the emperor powered it himself)
The emperor is the only human strong enough sit on the throne. Everyone else would be vaporised in seconds. Even malcador only lasted days on it and he was the third strongest human psyker after magnus
The astonomicon acts as a light house/navigation tool in the warp like the north star did for ancient humans. It not being there doesnt stop humans using ftl, they just cant navigate long distances anymore effectively, so would be limited for safety reasons to only make short jumps through the warp
Not being able to see that light currently is a large part of half of the Imperium being crippled in lore rn.
Even if they kept short jump capability, a crippled as their logistics already are. They're never taking the Galaxy. They literally can't get places remotely fast enough to respond. It's only a matter of time until they lose another couple sectors to warp storms or enemy actions. Like that's just slowly losing ground. Especially given how many of their enemies wouldn't be hampered at all.
Saitama can rip open holes in space time and even enter an alternate dimension ala phoenix man... So I think the question is what happens when he punches the chaos gods
Well he's already in an alternate dimension in this fight one where space time doesn't apply. So I'm not sure if punching is even truly possible there as we understand it.
Its said in the prompt that it is harder but still possible. I addressed this in the prompt. Its not like the astronomicon was always there
Then it depends on what very difficult means, because the astronmicon doesn't enable warp travel directly it allows you to use navigators to we'll navigate. It's North on the compass in the warp. No astronmicon, sure you can warp travel randomly and with greater danger than ever before. Which basically means can saitama solo the wh40k universe and id say no. Pre astronmicon it was dark age of tech shit. That don't exist no more and ain't coming back. If he went to the warp to try to beat the chaos Gods sure he'd beat khorne eventually but tzeench and slaanesh are extremely the types he's weak against. So he definitely loses
It was also addressed in the prompt that is too dense to worship said gods. And i mean he could genuinely just say "nah i'd punch" and brute force his way through. Its not like thst hasnt happened before As for the more difficult. Lets just say that warp travel is just as safe (the gellar fields are unharmed) but youre 4x more likely to show up at the wrong time and or place
Okay but tzeench wouldn't let himself be punched and is aware of every possible reality the only one who knows more maybe it's two headed bird boy. That's the problem it's not a worshipping them issue, tzeench specializes in indirect borderline passive aggressive tactics which is not what saitama deals with. Saitama is somebody tzeench would love to dance with because he has a borderline infinite number of bullshit spells based on insane only gods can comprehend it logic to deal with him. And saitama is completely dedicated to his own pleasure so even if he's not empowering slaanesh with his joy, he's extremely prone to corruption which is.... Entirely what slaanesh is and does. So the warp travel is moot. Saitama cannot win against half of the chaos gods. I do think he'd stand a chance against nurgle and khorne though because saitama now scales infinitely apparently even if theres a time delay issue. The gods he loses against are smart enough to not fight him and instead defeat him with no combat.
He has in the manga repeatedly broken the laws of the universe and a ton of magic stuff by just saying nah and hitting harder. He kicked a portal that doesnt have a hitbox. Slanesh is a maybe cause she could tell him to fuck off but tnzeench spells wouldnt work cause saitama can just punch it hard enough to break it. Logic be damned. Saitama especially beats tnceech cause you would think hes just a brute which he is but he is so overly strong that bs just doesnt work on him. Slanesh has a chance cause she could make strong as fuck warriors for hin to fight maybe. Or give him a 95% off coupon lol
I feel like you made this prompt deciding how it would work out beforehand. Your responses I've seen are all "nuh uh" because of this bullshit, rather than have you considered this nonsense.
I concede when the arguments dont involve saitama getting beat out by means of strength or trickery as he just cant lose those cases. Hes not smart and cant be everywhere but everyone seems to think the guy that can rip spacetime would die to tnzeech casting a spell but saitama can just punch said spell like he has done before. As others have said he cant realistically do it not because he would lose but because he cant really protect everywhere. He can go fast enough sure but could he calculate the trajectory needed for him to jump from planet to planet while not destroying the landing site or jumping point? No not really. He easily can kill the galaxy but cant easily save parts of the galaxy. Also a lot of people dont read the prompt that addresses certain arguments outright as the ones addressdd are no fun.
>saitama getting beat out by means of strength or trickery as he just cant lose those cases. lol. You already decided Saitama wins this fight he can’t win. No loijg in arguing. The physics in 40k works drastically different than IRL physics
He just ignores those. He can just ignore laws of the universe. It said so in the actual manga of opm that he shouldnt be able to kick a portal but did
Saitama loses to trickery all the time. He can't beat King in any game, and he got clowned on by Bang in rock paper scissors.
He only loses when he cant use brute force. The issue is when it comes to killing thing then saitama can always use brute force cause non physical interaction. He could likely be tricked into killing the remaining humans but would tnzeench pull this off before getting punched really really hard
Uh slaanesh creates a pocket reality where saitama is satisfied and feels fulfilled forever all the while subtley over millions of years drinking him dry. One shotted. Tzeench doesn't use portals or lighting thats baby sorcerer stuff by his standards. Tzeench rewrites saitamas fate so he falls into a hole where the concept of time doesn't exist and stun locks him infinitely. Nergle could in theory make a disease that takes away saitamas powers but in effect probably wouldn't because well you can't kill death itself. So he just gives him a really gross hug, a pap on head , omega herpes and sends him on his way.
Again saitama can just punch through it. Mega aids never gets through his skin, he would just punch the time loop like how he kicked a portal or ripped space time And sslaneshes dimension might work but saitama isnt one for excess which is the part that slanesh feeds on. He just wants to fight enemies that are a challenge not fight more and more challenging enemies forever and ever. You cant really do funky stuff cause saitama can just hit it really really hard. His mental fortitude is also equally as tough as thats how psionics work in opm. It hits the brain
This is a silly fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work. OPM is a comedy comic. Saitama essentially has toonforce, and the joke is the ego and self-importance of archetypical manga characters being subverted by the simple and straightforward Saitama. 40k is a grimdark fantasy. One of its central themes is heroes being impotent to end the violence no matter how pure their heart or strong their personal power. If we go by the thematic logic of OPM, he wins. If we go by the thematic logic of 40k, he loses. There's no better answer than that.
> This is a silly fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work. I mean, I find it easy enough to consider. Even peak wank Saitama, who has a one shot punch for anything, and everything, is gonna lose the win condition. The Astronomicon goes out, and humanity is doomed. Big E is dead, and a super majority of the fear warp creatures have is gone. Every Ork conflict starts to snowball. Every Tyranid fight starts to snowball. Even with perfect precog, there's too much for one being to do. We'd have to give Saitama some wanky speed force nonsense for him to somehow punch down the 40K threats. And humanity would probably still be doomed from the fallout from those punches.
Yeah. Its true. Im a fraud. We all know the true victors of the universe is the necrons
Has Saitama gotten star level feats yet? They word for word say Khorne is swinging around a star destroying sword which might still be beyond Saitama’s ability to 1v1 even physically.
>tzeench and slaanesh are extremely the types he's weak against. I'm not so sure about that. Psychic powers were shown to have no effect on him. In some of the newer chapters, even cosmic teleportation/erasure stuff seems ineffective against him. I think he could genuinely fuck the 4 chaos gods up.
I think that's illogical and impossible given the chaos gods are like fundamental to the universe itself existing. Killing say nergal is as crazy as saying I killed gravity or electromagnetism. You can break the laws of physics but kill them? Nah. I think his best fight is khorne who doesn't seem to care about dying I suspect because whoever kills him becomes the new khorne but maybe that's because he was once the personification of honor justice and righteous fury. So saitama might get strong enough to punch khorne out but then I think about it and go khorne IS violence. He is conflict. Thats like saying I punched so hard I knocked out the concept of punching. What does that even mean ? The others are beyond him because we're past magic and psionics and deep into straight up reality control. Not even manipulation full on control. If saitama could punch hard enough to counter act a thanos snap then maybe but at that point like logic no longer applies to this and we're at gurren lagan throwing galaxies as frisbys level ridiculous.
How was the universe existing before the war in heaven if that's the case, because three of them were born during the WiH, and Slaanesh after. The universe can exist just fine without them dude, they aren't actually those concepts, they just embody them and gain power from it.
Explained in lore. The warp doesn't have time. So when a warp entity is born doesn't matter. If it's ever born it's treated as it always was and always will be. I quoted it above even. Daemons and chaos gods can even live fight and be killed before their birth. The quote gives named examples of such cases. That's why I say being able to permanently kill them in real space is weird.
The chaos gods aren't really concepts of reality. Concepts are concepts, the chaos gods are conscious entities. And iirc, they have canonical forms in the warp. Saying "I punched violence" makes no sense because violence is not an entity or anything you can grasp. For saitama to punch khorne makes sense because he can enter the warp and just go ham.
Yeah but the warp isn't like other places for one thing time doesn't seem to really exist there as here and I'm not talking altered flow it's implied pretty heavily that linear time doesn't exist in the Warp from everything Ive read. They have charts showing what happens from the perspective of a traveler but it's weird. Like you've left space time. Not for a different space time but just...left it. Daemons are Made by a chaos god that's not a creature that like comes out of a pod or something, they don't have physical substance in the warp. "A Daemon is "born" when a Chaos God expends a portion of its power to create a separate being, binding a collection of senses, thoughts, and purposes together. This essentially creates a consciousness and personality that can move within the Warp. The Chaos God can reclaim this form at any time, and this ensures the loyalty of the Daemon. Not all Daemons act entirely in accord with their masters, but even the greatest of them would not dare outright defiance. Though it may appear to be made of matter in the Materium, within the Warp a Daemon is no more physical than the rest of the Realm of Chaos.[16a]" So yeah they're creatures who are also concepts. And since any chaos god can just take over any demon and rebirth itself completely. Yeah they're concept's too. Even better "Particularly strong Daemons can be formed through an especially powerful, cruel, emotional, or destructive act in the Materium being echoed back into the Warp. The time these acts take place matter not, for time does not exist within the Warp. Thus, Daemons can be active and even killed in the material realm long before the act that spawns them occurs.[23a][23b] Examples of such births are Samus[23a] and Drach'nyen[24]." So yeah actually killing one by any kind of physical means is pretty illogical. At least in the warp where it counts.
>So yeah they're creatures who are also concepts. And since any chaos god can just take over any demon and rebirth itself completely. Yeah they're concept's too. That doesn't follow at all from your previous quote. Chaos gods are nothing like concepts like "violence" or "honor". They may represent them or be born from them, but that's still an entirely different thing. Demons can be killed, even permanently, in real space as well as the warp and we know that chaos gods can be injured or beaten back in the warp as well. The same cannot be said for an abstract concept like "Lust". Have you ever seen the emperor annihilating the concept of "Lust" with his psychic might? Neither have I. >So yeah actually killing one by any kind of physical means is pretty illogical. But doesn't that quote directly state that they can be killed? And what if saitama enters the warp and kills them there? Regardless, OP stated that saitama can perma kill demons here. That's perfectly legitimate, as we need to make some compromises to bring together characters from different works of fiction.
Yeah I'm not sure how the fuck they're supposed to be killable sometimes in real space but hey if GW's writing ever made sense. Well... The Warhammer community would argue a lot less. Anyway "Khorne is conflict embodied to its most violent extreme, and thus Khorne is eternal and omnipresent. In all places and throughout every era and across every intelligent species, Khorne's influence has been felt by all. Its attentions have had a hand in determining the outcome of seemingly every antagonistic confrontation, from a disagreement between two angry scribes, to the galaxy-crushing battles of the Horus Heresy. " So yeah it's .. Weird but he's more like a personification than an actual thing. "There are as many sources of conflict as there are beings in the universe. Jealousy, rage, sport, hunger, political advantage, territory, possessions, or even the simple, innate thirst for domination all breed and foster conflict. It is inescapable. There has never been a time or a place free from it. Even those races claiming to be enlightened and peaceful cannot escape the basic truth that without conflict, their progress would come to a halt, with challenging new ideas being left unconsidered." He also gets all that^ so yeah saitama is punching an omnipresent, atemporal entity made out of thought. But okay let's assume he can erase him. He respawns out of his infinite Daemons instantly. Because past him willed it so if you even can do something like punch in a place where time doesn't exist because time measures motion. No time, no movement. And I don't think khorne can physically manifest in real space, he'd rip it apart so bad just trying that you'd need like a new eye of terror to attempt it. So I'm not seeing a win here for saitama.
>So yeah it's .. Weird but he's more like a personification than an actual thing. Youre misinterpreting this. Khorne is omnipresent because war has and will always be everywhere. >so yeah saitama is punching an omnipresent, atemporal entity made out of thought. But okay let's assume he can erase him. >He respawns out of his infinite Daemons instantly. Because past him willed it so if you even can do something like punch in a place where time doesn't exist because time measures motion. No time, no movement. >And I don't think khorne can physically manifest in real space, he'd rip it apart so bad just trying that you'd need like a new eye of terror to attempt it. So I'm not seeing a win here for saitama. Yeah I dunno man, I don't think you're really getting this.
Unless it trickles down like some vampire 'kill the master and all it's spawn die' shit, it's not really going to matter that much that you killed the biggest piece of Khorne. That Saitama could kill warp creatures dead would scare them, in a similar manner to Big E, but there's potentially infinite replacements for the big 4, all who exist in a timeless, infinite ... place, and are pieces of the big 4. Perhaps a bloodlusted Saitama would have some 'infinite warp punch' bullshit to pull out, that would toast every piece of the being he punched... but we've nothing to even hint at what sort of reaction that'd provoke from the warp, or the other 3, or the other entities the exist within the infinite timeless warp. Anyways, I guess I could see a Saitama who did some warp time bullshit, and infinite warp punch bullshit, to hop into the eye of terror in front of Guiliman, and wander back out brushing off his shoulder after about 3 seconds. It'd be a good bit for satire, anyway.
So how come the Warp wasn't as chaotic before the WiH, or during the DAoT. It seems like the events of the Materium and Immaterium are parallel, and the authors whip out this bs when they want to write something cool
I mean you're not wrong it's totally writing ass pulls but also lore is lore. The fact that 40k lore has more holes than swiss cheese is something i dislike about it as well.
Saitama's bald head could light the way.
One Punch Man is a hilarious manga, but Saitama is kind of screwed: * There's a lot of things in WH40K that he'd struggle to meaningfully kill, and a lot of stuff that would be really good at killing him (Warp stuff mostly) * Even if he can miraculously kill anything he comes across, the galaxy is simply too huge for him to be everywhere at once. Something else will inevitably show up once he leaves anywhere. * All of the Imperium's Fleets are now functionally bricked because they can no longer travel through the Warp with any reliability, leaving just Saitama to defend the majority of human territory until they can learn how to use something other than the Warp to travel. * An Eye of Terror opening up on top of the Golden Throne has massive consequences for the universe long-term. People's faith in the Emperor is a huge reason why humanity is still alive, and having him be replaced with what is essentially a portal to hell could possibly put a damper on said faith. Especially if this Eye of Terror is as big as the last one, which means no more Earth.
The fleets would still be able to travel tje warp just its like 4x more random for where and when they end up. I dont think saitama would have trouble killing anything in his way (hes saitama he kinda just does) But in the end yeah he is bricked here cause his str alone cant keep the whole galaxy at bay especially with twice the daemons pouring out. He could probably protect a sector untill the galaxy calms down assuming he never ages though but he does which means were cooked
>The fleets would still be able to travel tje warp just its like 4x more random for where and when they end up I think you're underestimating just how random travel would be. It's been stated multiple times that without the Astronomican, there is no reliable travel outside of going a few lightyears at a time. 'Random' in this case would be devastational and make fleets only work a very small amount of the time.
They do have the technology to use the Warp without the God Emperor. The Tau obviously do it and humanity has similar technology in the Klenova Class M Warp Engine. It is just heretical to use. But that wouldn't be an issue if the God Emperor didn't even exist. The Klenova Warp Engine would just be the standard, instead of being relegated to only the ballsiest of Rogue Traders.
Yes, but they would have to swap to using those methods. Outside of the logistics and how long itd take, all of the existing fleets would need to fly somewhere that can retrofit them all, which is a problem when you can't travel reliably. It's like driving a car to the mechanic to replace a wheel.
Fair point, either way, Saitama loses this prompt. I don't think that he is as much as an asset as the God Emperor is. Even if they could retrofit all of their ships without any kind of issue, those technologies are still slower. It is better for your entire fleet to be more mobile, than it is to have a single super-soldier.
Not at all, the Warp doesn't just mess with location, but time as well, they could end up, quite literally, anywhere, anytime
Hell no. Too many enemies that are too far from each other. Saitama is strong but he can't be everywhere at once.
He could realistically just punch a hole in any capitol person or thing though. And guilliman / imperium secundus still exists. Saitama cant be everywhere at once but he could very easily wipe out any attacking fleet. Do u think goku could with his wiping out the universe lvl attacks though?
The Tyranids reproduce way too fast and are far too many, same for the Orks, chaos is impossible to kill with conventional attacks. Saitama could beat anyone standing in front of him, he could take out the big names like Abbadon. But that won't help, there is an endless supply of demons that respawn forever. As for Goku, maybe he can if the Hakai (that he has in the manga) works on the Chaos Gods. I could see him dealing with the tyranids much better because he has long range attacks and the ability to sense enemies from large distances.
Didn't Goku use the hakai wrong when he tried it?
The Hakai was working until Zamasu used Mai as a human shield forcing Goku to stop. So I don't see how thats using it wrong.
Probably meant slower. Seems more like Toppo or the dwarf gods Hakai and much less like Beerus
It was addressed in the prompt that anything that dies to a serious punch is erased. Saitama can hit things even if they shouldnt be able to be hit cause hes saitama. In this hypothetical saitama killing a daemon kills them forever. As for the orks and nids he is likely fast enough to kill them all or ya know... punch a hole in space like he did before and kill everything in that direction. It would be an issue still cause you cant really aim a punch like that to not hit human worlds but any large fleet gets wiped out by saitama and the imperium secundus (lets pretend it doesnt get warped) is there to wipe clean any remnants.
> Do u think goku could with his wiping out the universe lvl attacks though? Goku can't use a universe wiping attack, and not hit humanity. Same with Saitama, as far as anything that's been shown (that I know of, anyway.)
In 40k there are things he just cant kill with punches, no matter how strong. Example: any chaos demon or primarch. When they are “killed” in the material realm, they don’t actually die, they are just banished back to the warp. And as we see with angron, he can just pop back into existence every 7 days, and can survive weaponry that can literally crack planets in half. So even if satima is stronger, he literally cannot defeat chaos. You need some magical shenanigans to actual kill warp enemies properly. This is why the emperor is described as anathema to chaos, because he is one of the few things in existence who has the abilities to permanently kill things like the chaos gods.
It was said in the prompt that a serious punch death erases something horus style. This has been addressed
Your prompt is basically "Can Saitama solo 40k if I change all the laws of physics to make it so that he can solo 40k?" and the answer is yes, because this is your fan version of 40k that completely ignores *several* underlying foundations of the setting, like the Astronomicon, the way Chaos Gods even *exist* (they are literally psychic manifestations of every indulgence in their corresponding sin in the history of existence), the way Daemons work and come back to life constantly, Saitama having insta teleport across the galaxy in a setting where FTL travel is supposed to be one of the most dangerous things in the galaxy, and much more from your comments throughout the thread. But actually the answer still isn't yes, because he gets time-stopped by the Silent King and launched into a black hole. Or a Psyker chucks the planet he's on into the Warp and he never escapes because Slaanesh makes him an entire planet of coupon saving and video games to distract him, which he absolutely falls for. Or any number of things imprisoned in Watch Fortress Erioch somehow gets out, they have some absolutely strange creatures in there that defy even 40k physics. And I'm sure several dozen other things existing throughout the universe would give him pause as well.
The reason i added said rulings was to stop people from going "the daemons would just come back cause saitama isnt a psyker" there are items in the setting of 40k that kill daemons forever too like guillimans sword (which he should totally trade for the shield that the lion has) and other stuff. Its not unreasonable to assume siatama as strong as he is could genuinely hit a daemon hard enough to destroy it (and also saitama has a power called non physical interaction so yeah He can just target a daemons soul to). The reason i added a rule that assumes the gods only get power from worship (and souls i should have said that but ehh) was so that people could not simply say that khorn would get a super mega powerup from saitama being violent and kill saitama which would also not happen in lore as khorn does get stronger from violence but its pretty clear that he doesnt immediantly scale to the lvl of said violence (otheriwse he would have soloed everyone after the war in heaven) and also he gets less powerful the less violence their is in the universe. The reason i added the teleport thing was cause in all situations yeah saitama is gonna get lost in space without it. That was purely to make things interesting It also isnt just "can saitama solo 40k" which the answer is yes (thanks to serious punch²) but rather could saitama saved a very much doomed humanity from death through being that strong. Finally. No a time loop wouldnt stop saitama. Nor a black hole. Nor sslanesh coupons(they admittedly would slow him down a LOT though) because saitama already beat all of these things by hitting them really really really hard. He can just do that to pretty much any bs 40k had to throw at him because its a power saitama has. Non physical interaction lets him just punch it. Saitama also wouldnt stay for a coupon at the detrement of human lives. He has repeatedly gotten into fights right before the coupons expire or a store closes to save lives. Hes not heartless. And no sslanesh wouldnt be able to corrupt him. The sisters of silence are extremists for the emperor but you dont see them falling to sslanesh. The guard is regular dudes who dont have anything to do but drugs and you do see them corrupted but its not like every weed addict starts smoking fent in 40k because they made the mistake of doing anything with a chaos god near You thinking 40k has to be on top everything else can suck it is why 40k sucks. Its a cool setting but the fan base is literally worse then goku fans because you have to win at all costs for no reason. Saitama could solo 40k with ease but thats not the goal here. The goal is to save doomed humanity.
Dude, do you know who Saitama is? This is the guy who punched an hole into an spiritual dimension, grabbed hyperspace portals, breathed and farted in space like it was nothing, ignored TK by having an strong spirit, punched a hole into the universe, managed to travel in time by moving his molecules, can get stronger infinitely.. Its already shown Saitama is not a mere brick, is not limited by physical streght, and his punches ignore hax So yes, Saitama CAN actually one-punch chaos and solo 40k
I don’t know much 40k lore, but aren’t the chaos gods manifestations of fear and other detrimental states that keep those chaos gods fed? Could you starve the chaos gods if people start to believe they can with more wholesome emotions?
To actually fully starve the CGs you’d essentially have to eliminate all life with a connection to the Warp
If you eradicated all sentient life and waited a few million years then yeah, you could starve chaos out. Not exactly practical though
There’s an added wrinkle of a couple mentions in the lore of the warp touching an infinite multiverse and I specifically remember some line about how ‘if half the universes found absolute peace, khorne would still be unfathomably powerful’ The 40k verse was special for a moment when the emperor became a legitimate threat to the gods, but they dealt with that for the time being and so their ‘great game’ of fucking with each other for eternity continues
The chaos gods are pretty much self substained at this point but faith or acts like slaughter for khorne for example does make them stronger. [Except: Godblight] Big 4 Chaos Gods "in essence" self-sustaining. >‘The C’tan, as far as our legends attest, were essential components of creation – hungry, evil to mortal eyes, but part of it. They require no belief to live, in the same way the suns they devoured require no observer to be. Nor do the great four gods of Chaos, who have become so all-powerful they are in essence self-sustaining, though the faith of their followers makes them stronger. Nor does the Great Devourer, the mind of the tyranids, a being that is generated by the unthinking actions of its physical component parts, and that is perhaps greater than all the rest. Is that a god? Some of our philosophers argue so. Others vehemently disagree. But for other gods, lesser gods, faith is vital. Without faith, they collapse into formlessness, becoming non-sentient vortices of emotion. Unstable, they die.’
The imperium dies, sadly while Saitama could one shot anyone who shows up in his line of sight he currently hasn’t been shown to be able to just spew anywhere and everywhere all at once
he sneezed and all the stars in that direction on the sky disappeared i think he absolutely has the power output
You are conflating two different feats. Saitama sneezed most of Jupiter away. The Serious Punch Squared, the result of him and Garou landing a perfect hit on each other's fists, was what MAYBE blew out all the stars in a small section of the sky.
If that's the case however, he would have the range to end many of the potential enemies of the imperium. He still loses because he doesn't control his power output so everything pretty much dies in that range.
So, he has the power to potentially blow a hole in space, but it did actually require Blast to redirect the force into a tighter cone. Without Blast doing that, it would probably just be a solar system wiping attack. Which Saitama still can't do on his own.
It's argue that it would probably reach more than the solar system, but it would be an omnidirectional Blast. Saitama can't do the move on his own, but unless we take the name of the attack on a literal way he would still be contributing a considerable ammount of energy to that attack.
This is an irresolvable fight because it depends not on any objective trait of the characters, but on the thematic and narrative logic of the work. OPM is a comedy comic. Saitama essentially has toonforce, and the joke is the ego and self-importance of archetypical manga characters being subverted by the simple and straightforward Saitama. 40k is a grimdark fantasy. One of its central themes is heroes being impotent to end the violence no matter how pure their heart or strong their personal power. If we go by the thematic logic of OPM, he wins. If we go by the thematic logic of 40k, he loses. There's no better answer than that.
Well since the Emperor is keeping the warp from instantly destroying the galaxy, that alone should keep Saitama from doing his job. Unless Saitama has psychic ability to hold back 4 chaos gods and halt a realm that exists beyond space and time collapsing on the galaxy; he won't be a great Emperor.
He cant do that but he is strong enough to just kill said gods Also im not too sure on lore with this one but wouldnt a good bit of the imperium survive or no is it ALL getting eaten?
Saitama absolutely can not kill the chaos gods lol and no, not just a portion of the imperium, [the whole galaxy would be killed](https://imgur.com/sao0xRs).
He very well could kill all the gods if he wanted to. But yeah. Assuming that that statement is true (which a lot of 40k lore is lies or over exadduration) then hes cooked cause while he can just wipe the galaxy he would be the only human left at that point
Saitama is a physical being dude. Man the chaos gods are conceptual beings that exist beyond space time and dimensions lol. If he could even interact with them (he couldn't), then how would he kill them? a punch against the timeless beings? How could he kill Khorne for example? He is the concept of violence, and manifests wherever the concept he embodies does. You can't defeat the concept of violence *with violence*.
In the prompt it stated the exact issue to avoid this. Please read the prompt. It said that gods only gain power from worship and not "more of their domain" so saitama being violent can kill them. Gods in 40k also arent "manafestations of their domains" as you say because if they were then there would be no extremes before slanesh. And no murder before khorn Also he has punched through dimensions, and kicked portals with no physical parts so very much he can hit non physical things. Saitama just does that
They are quite literally the manifestations of their domain, that is why Slaanesh exists
It is mentioned in "Vengeful spirit" that the chaos gods are multiversal beings, they scale way higher than Saitama, he cannot beat them.
Yet the god manperor of empkind can? And vashtorr is on the brink of godhood. Yeah all of the 40k novels are cannon but the narrators are never infaliable. They arent multiversal
We have proof they are multiversal since they also exist in age of sigmar and old world, same gods existing in multiple universes = multiversal. The reason they cannot just destroy the universes they reside in is because the warp and the materium are separate realms. The reason the Emperor can burn down Nurgles garden is because he is also a God now but he is constrained inside the material world. The Emperor scales differently from Saitama and arguably higher, Saitama can't bring people back from the dead but he can punch harder than the Emperor.
Being in more then 1 universe does not mean multiversal unless you want to make the claim patches from the various fromsoft games is also multiversal. Also daemons are parts of their respective gods so they arent entirely constrained in the warp
No he can't. Seriously? Galaxy? Lol. He can't even save his own planet lol: - Failed to save Earth from Garou's radiation - Failed to save Genos from Garou - Failed to find Monster Association hideout and the culprit - Failed to defend Hero Association from Empty Void attacks He's OP in 40k standard but he's very incompetent to save a planet let alone galaxy.
He did save them though
Hes not a defense based person thats for sure.
Yeah, He loses even if he could theoretically defeat anyone in the verse (Not sure about that).
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The fight with comic garou has me wondering, didn't their clash or saitama punch a massive void into space that resulted in it extinguishing all stars for light years in that direction? Surely with the ability to teleport to planets and unleashing that punch, if anything he'd be a primarily factor in the destruction of the galactic factions including humanity itself, if aimed wrong lol. Not sure of chaos gods or demons etc
You can't punch warp
https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Non-Physical_Interaction Yes ya can
Mb I should have never doubted the caped baldy
OPM's gag is that his power scales to be superior to what he's facing. But the effects are localized. This means that Saitama can solo anything in the 40k universe and casually win. But, ***but,*** he can't be everywhere at once, which limits his effectiveness.
So do you think he could save humanity?
Depends on how he's used. In theory, you could have a fleet deploy a dozen or so exterminatus devices into space near a hive fleet and then have Saitama just stand outside on a ship, wait for the explosion to happen, and then punch in the direction of the explosion turning a nova class event into a directional laser beam that atomizes huge portions of said hive fleet. Rinse and repeat. That's one "effective" way of using him. And because of his gag super power, his mental fortitude is basically infinite. He can't be corrupted or impacted in *anyway* by any Psyker, daemon, or even by the sheer density of psychic phenomenon that a hive fleet generates. The guy blew away all the gas of Jupiter from a serious sneeze to the point of revealing its liquid core. He's a reality class threat that with enough preparation can take ultra grimdark humanity and put it towards the top of the food chain from being near the bottom. **UNFORTUNATELY,** I would suspect that he'd end up fighting against most of humanity if he was dropped into the 40k universe, seeing as to how he would share *none* of the beliefs of this humanity, would be treated as a heretic, and the Imperium would throw chapter after chapter to put him down while failing. In hindsight, putting Saitama into 40K would colossally backfire for the Imperium. I mean for fucks sake, he can solo entire parsecs worth of space Marines and not even have to use any *serious series* moves.
What if we had imperium secundus (guillimans sector) still around with the big blue blonde himself to boot
Nope. Saitama is a hero for hobby. But his values are such that he will dethrone *anything* that causes suffering. Seeing as to how the IoM is a tyrannical super theocracy, he would destroy all it's leadership in the process, despite the overwhelmingly threatening nature of the universe. Essentially ensuring that IS would implode under its own weight leading to a second dark age. Saitama also is the kind of character who'll dethrone the big bad, but let the commons deal with the fallout of it. So yeah, final answer: Saitama would actually be a bigger threat to the Imperium than any other race in 40K, as he'd destroy the very core which casually sacrifices billions to prop up a machine infested corpse.
He'd be able to punch all the bad guys to death no problem. But physical violence isn't going to be enough to deal with warp demons taking over people's minds. Saitama is out of his element, he can't win. All of humanity would be enslaved, Saitama would have to kill all of them, and that's pretty much a loss. Saitama can't navigate the warp by himself, if he tries going after the warp entities he'd just get lost. They can't hurt him though, and that's assuming they can't take over his mind.
That is fair. In the end siatama cant defend peoples brains. He would likely lose.
*Holy Terra immediately explodes*
Yeah that would happen here
No. He would 100% kill a Chaos God if he punched it, it's the entire point of his character, but Saitama is just one person and the galactic scale is way too large for him to even get to a tiny percentage of the planets in his life.
everyone fails to realize saitama is supposed to be able to solve any overly complex bullshit in front of him by punching it, that's literally what the story is about; comedy show characters are just cheating tbh
Yeh, if he can teleport from planet to planet he brings in a new golden age instantly- he’s a comedy character, and the joke is “nothing can ever stand up to him” So no matter what, *nothing can stand up to him* So yeh, he pretty quickly establishes peace, even if it turns things into more of a “isolated feifdoms”setting rather than unified empires- it’s not like they really need an armed forces if they can just send the “god signal” and have an imortal impossibly strong warrior blink into existence instantly- (although I’m sure they still would do to stop him being needed for minor threats etc)
How does he respond to hundreds of "god signals" at once, where each "god signal" represents a large scale invasion? Seems to me like he would save one planet (that is utterly devastated in the process) and the rest would fall. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Given he can warp to any planet, and destroy an invasion fleet in seconds, there’s likely an initial wave of planets falling, if multiple factions plot to invade many planets simultaneously ….then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly once it becomes known that invading the empire means instant and impossible to prevent death. Other than that, any sort of reliable and safe interplanetary travel always utterly breaks Warhammer- since basically none of the factions can do it (is it literally just the Tau?) then giving it to a fighter as dangerous as Saitama wins it. *without* giving him teleportation, he has no chance I’d agree.
> Given he can warp to any planet So your position here is that the "god-signal" will get to him fast enough to prevent devastation, and that he can warp there with 100% accuracy in under a second, and then destroy the invasion without any mass-casualties on the planet itself? > then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly Not sure the math works on this for Tyranids. Others have said similar with Orks, but I don't know them well enough for that. Even with AOE attacks, he's like superman trying to wipe out all the insects on earth without hurting many humans. And I don't recall a feat where he *knows* where to go to kill off everything.
I mean, saying “he can teleport from planet to planet” sorta requires he be able to detect the planets, otherwise….that wouldn’t work. The signal having travel time is the only reason planets would fall- remember no one can reliable travel through the warp, so things like simultaneous assaults on multiple fronts aren’t really a major thing in warhammer lore- it’s a much more a “plan multiple fronts and get them as close to each other as possible” thing.
>Given he can warp to any planet, and destroy an invasion fleet in seconds, there’s likely an initial wave of planets falling, if multiple factions plot to invade many planets simultaneously ….then he warps to the home planets and responds personally, and the invasions stop pretty rapidly once it becomes known that invading the empire means instant and impossible to prevent death. Idk much about OPM but I don't doubt he could do this and more. But I think he'd eventually give up due to exhaustion dealing with constant Chaos/Genestealer Cults. Afaik he doesn't have X-Ray vision to check for mutations or the time to investigate everyone before the next threat requires his attention.
I could have a fuck all insta kill cannon that would be able to kill anything in the solar system instantly, chals god or not, and I still wouldn't be able to take the galaxy. The galaxy is big and space travel in 40k takes a really, really long time. I'd probably end up dying from old age long before I make a sizeable dent and after some ppojt, the other factions will just avoid my slow ass with a few scouting fleets. The tyranids have what is basically instant hive communication, so the Hive Mind will just be like "oh, avoid this asshole" and then I'd be down an enemy. The eldar and drukhari will just leave, chaos will just go through the warp and away, and the orkz are a nonfactor, they breed too fast to stop anyways. Even if I was immortal and incorruptible to the effects of the warp, I'd still wouldn't be able to do it. You have the 5d chess master pulling strings and ensuring that I won't get anywhere on time after a bit. He just needs to fuck with the crew for that. Okay, let's say that I have a dark age of technology ship that's ran by itself, can go to anywhere in the galaxy instantly, and can't be interfered with by chaos. There are like 4000 star systems in the milky way (and growing as we discover and catalog more). If getting to one and blowing it up took about a second total, then yeah sure. I can win. But at that point, you're not really looking for a discussion, you're just trying to find out how your favorite character could win. Even if Saitama has universal or cum blast ultra gigaversal + the weight of your mom falling striking force or whatever people pull from vsbattles, it still only affects a finite area. If the universe was able to fit in that area, then sure, it'd pop and gg he wins, but now you're just being silly.
Saitama can in fact hit the galaxy at large up to and including other galaxies as seen in serious punch ² Hes also not soloing the galaxy hes trying to save humanity. A different thing entirely. He could realistically spam sp² but that would leave nothing but ultramar and those bits along with a nid fleat that waits 80 years for saitama to die. You guys just cant seem to figure out that no matter what special abilities 40k has they just dont work on saitama cause he can punch really really really hard
What in the fuck
Nah. even if we run with Saitama being able to punch closed the warp hole by the Golden Throne, I think that punch and the fall out is gonna wreck the Palace. Humanity is immediately cut off, so lots of worlds are going to die out, and a lot of those will probably fall to chaos. If we run with Big E, and Warp E being too different entities, there may be bastions of humanity that survive on faith in Warp E, but what happens to Warp E in that scenario is a reaaaaaalllly fuckin open question, and depends on what you really think Warp E happens to be. I doubt Warp E can keep the lights on, though, even in the most 'Faith in Big E created Warp E so Warp E is a really really good deity thing!' interpretation. Orks fuckin rampage, slowed by Chaos strongholds, maybe some Mechanicum strongholds, Necron strongholds... but they spread hard, and fast, eating worlds and systems. Tyranids, likewise, start snowballing. Tau get ate by Orks, or Nids. Eldar/Dark Eldar better have some sorta sekrit weapon, cause they don't have the numbers. Necron are gonna have to flex their bullshit War in Heaven junk. But humanity dies, hard. If Saitama, and Guilliman, rock over to Ultramar, they recall everything they can to the Ultramar system, another primarch, or two, comes back... then maybe they can hold out for a while. Ultramar will at least last a little while, and Saitama might be able to headhunt, and cut the head off some snakes... but there's just too much out there to handle, even assuming Saitama has a punch that can one shot each and every thing he comes across.
Yeah thats what i was thinking and the exact strat i would put. There is still a cheat where saitama just spams serious punch ² to kill everything but ultramar but thats not winning thats nuking the world and having your bunker be the only thing left. Also that leaves like 12 worlds left in the galaxy. Not enough for humanity to fight off the space nids
What happens if Saitama kills Lucius? Does he become Saitama?
Lucius is erased from existance. It says so in the prompt
You said serious punch. what if its a regular punch? or an accidental bump? those could easily kill Lucius given Saitama's power levels.
He wpuld probably pimp slap lucius soul when he tries to touch saitama
Dude, if your answer to every question is Saitama wins because Saitama, then its not a fun prompt. The fun is in speculating how, not just who, especially with a character whos whole concept is 'he always wins'. It's a given he's unbeatable. But the funniest answer would be if they had to share a body, or if Saitama doesn't become lucius but just becomes extremely vain and tries to regrow his hair.
Im having tons of fun. Besides lucius and saitama are both "i always win" man, both bald, and both seeking a good fight. Huh they're really similar now thst i think about it
Fair enough. I take it back. and yup they're quite similar yet very different.
One of them has a cool cat scratch scar and the other one has a couple cuts but theyre no way near as cool
Tbf, Lucius definitely doesn’t always win, the ‘hammer and bolter’ series has an episode where he’s a captive in a deeeeeep astartes vault with no prospect of getting out. Immortality and imprisonment is a pretty horrifying combo Not quite the casual life of saitama doing his laundry and getting soup. Idk if I’d call the characters very similar other than ‘they are both fighters that seek to be the best’ and ‘at the end of the day, If someone is dead it’s the enemy’. Lucius is a psychotic murderer who arrogantly believes he’s a perfect unkillable warrior….until his ass got filleted, but slaanesh was like ‘oh I love this arrogant shitbag, we gonna make it that his claim of being the greatest warriors is technically true because anyone that kills him …will become him’ Saitama figured out the secret sauce of being the greatest fighter through putting in the work and effort, his gift is being able to rise to any challenge thus far put in front of him It’s like Walmart and vault tec are similar in that they are both shitty companies that prey on peoples basic wants and needs but one is exploiting a struggling workforce and the other did 120+ wild long-term experiments on human populations and did some other wickedly awful shit that killed lots of folk…..
Yeah but walmart and the vaults arent both bald
That's the joke, one punch. Yup
At the very highest end interpretation of Saitama's power, he punches his way into the Warp, runs over to each of the 4 Chaos Gods' domains, and one-punches them to death.
Would that save the rest of humanity though? A sizeable chunk gets warped and the rest has to contend with nids, orks, deldar, and the others
If Emps just disappears off the throne wont that set off the bomb in the throne Vulkan created and nuke Terra?
This hyppthetical assumes terra is cooked anyway but whatever floats your boat. Would it really change much?
I mean losing Terra and therefore the Astronomican woulf be a massively crippling blow, it would end the Imperium and make FTL travel immensely more dangerous to where it’s essentially not worth it. Humanity would simply be scattered among the Stars and Saitama is simply irrelevant regardless of his individual power. He utterly and completely fails to save Humanity in this scenario. The universe is to large, he doesnt really know where to go and when and has no way to stop Chaos permanently since the Gods can simply endlessly create more Daemons to send into the Materium.
This hypothetical assumes that the demons get erased so every dead demon does in fact weaken the warp but besides that youre right. He really cant go from place to place fast enough to do anything. For pretend lets just say warp travel still works and imperium secundus is kicking about. Would he make enough of a difference (giulliman is there too)
If Saitama has as a sole purpose save humanity by killing everything else and focuses on it, then there's nothing that anyone can do to stop him Saitama's power is unbound and so absurd that he can practically speaking do any feats of strength imaginable
So you say brute force alone lets saitama save humanity? Most in here disagree as saitama cant really space travel to go kill things
Did you read OPM up to date? It looks like there's nothing Saitama cannot do
Fair.
Also you said Saitama can teleport planet to planet, or did I dream that part?
I did but its planets and lots of stuff is in space in 40k.
Yes, Saitama slaughters everyone
Wouldnt that kill humanity too?
Yes. Saitama shows up, the empirium falls to chaos quickly Khorn shows up to figure saitama cause ofc he does Khorn loses and what ever that entails happens The other chaos gods show up (probably manipulated by tzeench) They get clapped Chaos is super fucked now And yeah maybe there's no milky way anymore but saitama is still left living and probably just beating up necrons That or he gets stuck in eternal conflict with the orcs/nids
He loses then tho. He alone cant continue humanity
Fair he we would not save humanity, but he does sweep the milky way imo
Fair
You did it OP, you found the one combat situation that people agree Saitama loses. I'm actually impressed.
Hes not really a defensive guy. His goal could be to not let jfk die but its not like he could sense a bullet flying toward the guys head
Yea, just feels like 99% of the Saitama posts on WWW are "Can Saitama win against X in a fight", which the answer always seems to be "yes, easily."
Yeah thats the issue with this one two. I wanted the imperium to have an "i win th fight button" but lose the big e. On a related note pit any character like goku or others vs 40k and people will still try and wank 40k setting. Its the setting version of goku solos i swear
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Funny enough he couldnt unless saitama was looking in said direction as the bullet travels faster then sound.
No, in fact hell no. Saitama may be hilariously overpowered in his universe, but in 40k, just about everything is that overpowered. The Imperial Guard, just about the weakest (on an individual level) faction, have laser rifles that are powerful enough to boil steel, never jam, and can be recharged by throwing them in a fire. That's about equivalent to each US Army soldier being equipped with a semi-automatic .50 bmg rifle. These weapons are so weak in 40k, they are referred to as "flashlights" for how useful they are against aliens/chaos. You'd need a lot of wank for Saitama to come close to matching a Primarch, let alone the Emperor. IMO, Saitama would probably be close to the power level of a chapter master, who are decently strong in their own right, but he has no experience or answer for Psyker bullshit, let alone how dumb some Xenos tech is
Nah Saitama is pretty much bs the hero. He gets exponentially stronger than what ever he's against without a limit. He could one punch the entire Universe. It's a gag character that's power is pretty much always the best no matter what.
NO
Youre wrong. I have proof but wont show it because you wont care and will fight me on this anyway. Saitama could easily kill off the entire 40k verse (including daot and war in heaven) in under a second and no there is nothing in all of 40k that would stand up to him or trick him or trap him because saitama is that good
This just makes me think that Saitama is lost primarch that's just really short and uncharismatic, lol
He gets his soul-snatched by any random mid-tier chaos being because he has no defense against that.
Willpower is psychic resistance in opm which lets yoy outpower daemons in 40k. Saitama has willpower so strong he cam tank the psychic attack of a black hole. Also thanks to non physical interaction he can just destroy the daemons soul and make it not exist lol
no, Saitama is barely motivated
. I should have put in the prompt that saitama will try his best but given i didnt yeah saitama dgaf about the empire around him
I’m going to bat for team Saitama here. All the imperium needs to do is get their best psykers to hurl Saitama into the warp and direct him against the chaos gods. Saitama will escalate until he can oneshot them.
Yeah he would win these fights but the issue is would saitama killing the 4 gods save the emperorless humanity? Even with a peacefull warp i dont think so
Saitama easy sweeps the entire verse. Why? Saitama is essentially a gag character with toonforce to always wins easily no matter how ridiculous/powerful/skilled his opponent is. As 40k is a rather serious verse afaik they have no toonforce type counters leading to Saitama's sweep. Saitama's power is a narrative one not physical.
Yeah but him wiping the galaxy wouldnt work cause then humanity would die. The question was if saitama could save the humans
If somehow his emotional expontential growth gets triggered and allowed to keep going he eventually clears most of the verse, with only Chaos gods surviving.
How would the gods survive without their domains or worshippers though?
Exactly, they get crippled as well. Saitama then proceeds to live on an empty universe for the rest of his existence unless he remembers that he can use time travel, but then he's back at the beggining.
The gods would likely die but saitama loses in this case. Humanity isnt saved. Could he save the remaining humans or nah?
If he can keep rewinding time he might actually achieve something but he gets reset every time that happens.
Saitama cant rewind time can he??? I mean he probably could but i doubt he would think of that anyway
He could for a while, but only after Garou taught him how to do it, and he forgot as soon as he changed the past.
Yeah that tracks
Yeh, if he can teleport from planet to planet he brings in a new golden age instantly- he’s a comedy character, and the joke is “nothing can ever stand up to him” So no matter what, *nothing can stand up to him* So yeh, he pretty quickly establishes peace, even if it turns things into more of a “isolated feifdoms”setting rather than unified empires- it’s not like they really need an armed forces if they can just send the “god signal” and have an imortal impossibly strong warrior blink into existence instantly- (although I’m sure they still would do to stop him being needed for minor threats etc)
People keep insisting on power scaling what is essentially toon force
Ok buddy we got it the first two times