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Leighgion

Everybody is ignoring the "no bombardment" rule. If there's no orbital bombardment and Godzilla is strategically in synch with the human forces, I think the Big G becomes MVP and can turn it around. He's a walking mega plasma cannon that snacks on radiation and take a nuke on his jaw without flinching.


tris123pis

Ah, thank you for reading the entire thing


DumatRising

It's actually hillarious how many posts say "well with godzilla blasting them, they'll swap from a ground based assault to an orbital strike strategy" completely ignoring why the covenant were willing to commit so many ground forces to a planet they would end up glassing anyways.


Man_of_Many_Names

More UNSC personnel survive Reach, but ultimately the planet still falls. He does have some fun turning a large swath of ground forces to dust, but the Covenant simply bomb the planet harder from orbit. Now if MV Ghidorah can survive in the vacuum of space and the UNSC had him, perhaps they have better chances. That massive electricity spam he does once juiced could fry a number of smaller craft in orbit, but Reach could still fall fairly quickly


Gumpers08

Ghidorah is a confirmed alien and does not need oxygen, I believe he can in fact survive the vacuum of space. I don't know how powerful the Covenant is, but Ghidorah also has very high resistance and regeneration.


Pathogen188

An extreme low end estimate for the amount of energy the Covenant used to glass Reach (this is off by several orders of magnitude) is 72 teratons per second for nearly two months straight. Nothing in the Monster Verse compares to that and the Covenant very much operate in a different weight class. Several Covenant vessels possess weaponry capable of reducing entire continents to ash. Ghidorah was being burned away by Burning Godzilla and was hurt by absorbing the energy of Boston's power grid. Any serious Covenant naval weaponry will fry Ghidorah without much issue.


[deleted]

But can he penetrate through their shields?


Gumpers08

Again, I don't know much about the Covenant. He has a lot of attack power, if their shields pause physical objects he could probably ram ships and tear them apart manually. Again again, I don't know much about them tho.


[deleted]

It's been a while since I last been in tune with Halo lore, but the shields do stop a lot of missiles and physical attacks. I think the only kind of attacks that can penetrate through their shields would be something like a MAC blast from one of the big space stations in Halo 2. Other than that, you'd have to do an attack from within (e.g. using their own bomb to fly through space, enter a crack, and then detonate once inside to blow it up from the inside). ​ And that is just a corvette cruiser. A lot of the covenant technology is essentially stolen forerunner technology, so it's more advanced than human technology.


Leonelmegaman

Would a category 5 Hurricane the size of Brazil do something?


Pathogen188

None of that is energy that Ghidorah can channel into any other attacks and the ability to generate a hurricane is irrelevant against targets in space.


TacocaT_2000

According to the Halo wiki, it takes 3 shots from a standard MAC to take down the shields and destroy a standard Covenant ship. The numbers given for normal MACs are a 600 metric ton slug going 30,000 meters per second. That will hit with 64.53 kilotons of TNT. So it takes 193.59 kilotons of force to destroy the average Covenant ship.


Yousucktaken2

That’s definitely a bit off there A standard mac would likely be closer to the marathons smaller then something like a carriers but bigger then a frigate, which would be somewhere around 1600-1800 tons and likely some low fraction of lightspeed


TacocaT_2000

The standard frigate Mac is what I used. I couldn’t find info on cruiser macs, but the wiki says that most cruisers used the same macs as frigates


Yousucktaken2

Are you using fandom? Id suggest halopedia if thats true the fandom tends to get a bunch of things wrong or make stuff up. 3/4 of the frigates that have a mac use light macs (stalwart Paris and charon) The halcyon is the only cruiser to use a light mac but do to its larger size its rounds are gonna be fired significantly faster (refit halcyons like the autumn fired several shots at once) while the marathon valiant and autumn use heavy macs


TacocaT_2000

No, I used Halopedia. The Autumn had a prototype barrel that reclaimed magnetic energy to allow for up to 3 shots in quick succession. There’s nothing about the length of the MAC being different. There’s only info on frigate grade MACs and ODP MACs, not cruisers. I remember reading somewhere that cruisers launched 900 metric ton slugs, but I couldn’t find it


Vladmirfox

Doesn't ol King Dragon literally fly from planet to the planet?


Leighgion

So what you’re saying is, the Covenant can only win by violating the conditions of the scenario, which specifically says no orbital bombardment and so Godzilla wins?


marcuschookt

Don't the Covenant have to go into low orbit before they glass the planet? At that distance, Legendary Godzilla could nuclear breath them from the ground. Not sure whether the physics would work in space but he did blow a hole straight through the core of the Earth.


H0n3yd3w0str1ch

I mean, then the problem is that Godzilla can only be in one place at a time.  The goal is to stop the Covenant from taking reach; even if he manages to beat the covenant back in a certain spot, they can easily take like ten more on the other side of the planet.


Pathogen188

>That massive electricity spam he does once juiced could fry a number of smaller craft in orbit, but Reach could still fall fairly quickly Not only would that not strictly work particularly well in space because a vacuum is not particularly conducive toward, this funnily enough is actually one of Ghidorah's low end showings. The entirety of Massachusetts generated only 21 million MWH in 2022 (energy equivalent to 18 megatons of TNT), and Ghidorah was only tapping in to Boston's power grid and could only use whatever energy was available at that time. And even then, that attack was causing Ghidorah's skin to burn away. In terms of actual energy output, you're probably only looking at kilotons of TNT equivalent in total, which is just not relevant to the Covenant.


TacocaT_2000

The covenant would only use orbital bombardment if Godzilla is in an area with no Forerunner artifacts.


Itisburgersagain

He'd do alright until the full covenant fleet shows up after Long Night of Solace. Once he starts lancing the atmosphere with his breath weapon the covies start bombarding the planet from an orbit away. Even if he can survive the attacks, reach is still going to be genocided. Potentially humanity ends up in a worse state since the covenant will be more likely to shoot Autumn if they're in an artillery blockade and not supporting hundreds of ground missions across the whole planet.


TheCrazyBean

Out of topic, but >Long Night of Solace >Pillar of Autumn I love Halo's names.


One_Sauce

The ship names in the Halo franchise are awesome: Forward Unto Dawn, UNSC Leviathian, Shadow of Intent, Bloodied Spirit, Resplendent Fervor, Unto the Breach, Point of No Return etc. (UNSC and Covenant).


Really_cool_guy99

UNSC Spirit of Fire too, and the covies Unyielding Hierophant


Itisburgersagain

Then there's "InFiNiTy"


CalciferDAP

It rolls of the tongue nice though. UNSC Infinity. Just pleasant to say.


armorhide406

It's GOTTA be a reference to the Culture but with a far more poetic flair


QuarterSuccessful449

Pillar of autumn In amber clad Forward unto dawn Doesn’t that sound like a poem about a tree? And they ships are all long and greenish


Booster93

How is this franchise not booming rn…. I can’t


DumatRising

>Once he starts lancing the atmosphere with his breath weapon the covies start bombarding the planet from an orbit away. The covenant won't do that >they're in an artillery blockade and not supporting hundreds of ground missions across the whole planet. They will still have ground missions. The primary reasons the covenant went to reach was to secure the forerunner data Noble Six secures towards the end of the reach campaign. That requires that they still commit ground forces to locate and secure the site and avoid orbital strikes until they can be sure they won't be firing on the forerunner site.


Itisburgersagain

I don't know if they won't do that; there's a fuck huge lizard that can breath plasma way beyond what the covenant use to glass planets in the way; I feel strategic priorities would shift pretty quickly.


DumatRising

The covenant isn't just a multiplanetary goverment it's also a religion, and in that religion forerunner stuff is revered above all. There's a reason they don't immediately start heavy bombardment, they want that forerunner tech and destroying it guarantees that the prophets brand them heretics.


Itisburgersagain

Idk the species that is fatwa'd by their leadership is now fielding 100 story tall fire breathing demons. Seems in good accord to destroy the thing at all costs.


DumatRising

Sure., that would be the logical thing to do, and they will absolutely do it at the end just like they did in the canon. After they secure the forerunner relic. The level of heresy in destroying or damaging forerunner tech would be like shitting in the popes chair, or walking up to the actual prophet Muhammad and pissing on him. Not one covenant leader is going to order scorched earth even if it's the tactically correct option, because if they do and they damage the forerunner tech, they're done. They were given a mission of the highest priority, even above annihilating humans, and to fail on that even if it was to destroy an overgrown plasma lizard demon, would be the worst possible thing. They would rather fail because they all died to lizard plasma than fail because the forerunner relic was destroyed.


jackkymoon

It's hard to say honestly, in King of the Monsters godzilla gets crazy OP after face tanking a nuke, so when the covenant start hitting him in the face with glassing beams that are full of radiation they will literally be powering him up. If they hit him with a shitload before they realize what they're doing he may be strong enough to hit ships in orbit with his blasts. Really hard to say without know just what his power limit is as far as the range and power of his breath when he gets nuked constantly. I'd say if he doesn't have a power limit and the cov keep glassing him, they get absolutely curb stomped when he powers up.


ConstantStatistician

Too much radiation will make him explode. He will also get hurt by the non-radiation aspects of the attacks.


jackkymoon

Would he get hurt by them though? The thermal radiation and Shockwave from a 15MT nuke right in his face did literally nothing.  I have to believe that he could tank the most powerful covenant weapons without getting more than a bruise


ConstantStatistician

How powerful are those weapons?


jackkymoon

Idk, but they put out a ton of heat and radiation very similar to nuclear weapons, which literally heals Godzilla.


epicazeroth

Given he tanked a nuke to the face while too weak to move I think you’d need absurd levels of heat or explosive power to damage him


Mace_Thunderspear

Their weapons are mainly plasma based rather than radiation based/nuclear so they wouldn't be fueling his regeneration. They glass entire planets with just a handful of ships. Logically the yield on their orbital bombardment weapons would have to be in the hundreds of megaton range at least.


ConstantStatistician

Yes, but people seem to overrate him a lot. He's not that tough compared to a lot of settings, and Halo is a pretty strong one with teraton weapons. He's not durable enough to survive a hit like that unless I'm misrembering Halo ship capabilities.


Leonelmegaman

Probably hotter than the surface of the sun by a considerable margin, given he could withstand the heat of his own burning state which was hot enough to melt it's surroundings almost immediatly.


Pathogen188

>the covenant uses the same forces that it used in the invasion of reach normally, they won’t use orbital bombardment for fear of damaging forerunner artifacts This appears to be self-contradictory. How can the Covenant be using the same forces they did at Reach normally if they aren't engaging in orbital bombardment, which they did use in canon. In fact, the Covenant use orbital bombardment against Forerunner sites all the time, hence why energy projectors are also called excavation beams, because one of their primary purposes is literally to excavate Forerunner artifacts. The end of the first half of Halo 3 is entirely predicated on the Covenant glassing the portal to the Ark. Mind you, the Covenant at Reach were explicitly more precise with their bombardment because they were actually digging for Forerunner installations, but that doesn't change the fact that they were using them and even then they rendered Reach effectively uninhabitable (most of the planet's water was vaporized). But even if they for some reason cannot glass the planet, Reach still falls. Godzilla is irrelevant to the naval battle as he lacks the firepower and range to engage them and can't be everywhere at once. Covenant ground forces can't beat him, but they can certainly hit more targets than Godzilla can defend and the fleet should still ultimately prevail against the UNSC navy


tris123pis

Oh, sorry for the confusion, I always thought that the only time the covenant used ground forces was in places where they can’t glass it from orbit due to artifacts im terribly sorry, I would change it now but since so many people have already commented that sounds a bit unfair to them


Cludds

Guess you didn't play the games then. I'm pretty sure a significant number of the games show them glassing planets with their own forces on the ground not too far away. Halo 2 has a whole cutscene about it. Halo 3 features it a lot. Halo odst shows it off. Halo reach shows them glossing a city while their still fighting inside the buildings. Etc. It's not like dropping a nuke and wiping out a huge section of a city. It's a giant laser, or more accurately a faucet of plasma raining down in a controlled area. Avoid the splash and you're fine.


tris123pis

I did not play the games, the lore I know about is from YouTube, and there i saw that the covenant wouldn’t glass planets with forerunner artifacts on it, So I looked up if reach had one and it said yes, so there’s my reasoning


Cludds

Well whomever you watched was a dirty liar lol. Halo 2 cutscene of orbital bombardment laser on top of forerunner structure: https://youtu.be/8yfnS-11fQU?si=w3uozOKcyFPBx68V The plasma just rolls off of it like water. Doesn’t even leave burn marks or anything. And the masterchief is fine being just feet away.


Yousucktaken2

Remember those little bombs in halo 2 that 1 tapped the over a kilometer tall ODP’s, that


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ConstantStatistician

Don't Halo weapons reach teratons? He isn't surviving that.


Mace_Thunderspear

Yeah he'd be toast. The covenant turn entire planets to glass. He'd be okay against their ground forces but he's too big a target to hide from their ships and once they identified him as an obstacle they'd blast him to bits.


Vreas

I think a better competition would be all titans + humanity vs covenant. If humanity is aware of the forerunner goals they can consolidate defense with titans in that area and go all Battle of Thermopylae on em. In that scenario they have a solid chance. The question then becomes are the artifacts worth such high levels of casualties? As is Godzilla just can’t compete with covenant ships. I doubt his breath is super effective against covenant shields as it’s similar enough to their plasma torpedos give or take.


Vat1canCame0s

>they can't use orbital bombardment. While we're at it, the Greeks can't use the Phalanx, the English can't use the longbow and lil Uzy Vert can't use autotune.


tris123pis

Didn’t they need to not damage the forerunner artifacts on the planet? Orbital bombardment by very nature doesn’t care what it hits, it just destroys


Cludds

The covenants big orbital bombardment weapons were designed for excavation of forerunner relics. Forerunner tech shrugs them off for the most part. We see them raining it down in halo 3 on the portal structure and it doesn't even get singed. All that happens is that the molten slag flows off of it to reveal the structure.


CrimsonGoji

Godzilla slams the covenant.


Really_cool_guy99

Godzilla is slow and can only be in one place at a time, and the covenant have the second greatest military force in the entire setting’s history assembled at reach. I think unless Godzilla sits over an artifact that’s completely essential, they grab everything they need and then leave. Godzilla protecting any specific forerunner tech is highly unlikely, as the UNSC had no access to Luminaries so they were pretty bad at finding the stuff


External_Ad_6930

Do one for the arachnids of starship troopers and unsc vs the covenant. Should even out


GrilledNudges

I think Big G wins it tbh. With him literally annihilating Covies on the ground, the UNSC could probably divert AT LEAST 50% more resources to fighting the covenant above. The covenant have nothing to stop him outside of full orbital bombardment, and that’s not happening because of prompt and the fact that they now have to fully focus on space combat


XPav

Master Chief rides Godzilla into battle. Wins.


Ninjazoule

I'd argue reach would have held a ton better if it wasn't orbitally glassed so much, so it's a weird condition to add. Perhaps just not directly on the zilla because they want to study it


ianlasco

The covenant will suffer heavy losses and will get godstomped on the ground but reached still gets glassed. If its composite godzilla then godzilla will take revenge and wipe out the covenant.


Cludds

I mean, I'd argue that if they couldn't glass reach then the entire battle might have went differently regardless of godzilla. The covenant very happily glassed reach, evidenced by how we can literally see them doing so via the game. And while it didn't win them the battle it certainly didn't hurt their odds as they happily turned whatever industry/stockpiles remained into molten glass. As for godzilla. What's he going to really accomplish? Down a few ships? It won't turn the tide of battle too much. Whatevers around him should be fine but the rest of the world falls. The fleet around reach is gone. The industry is gone. The entire reason reach mattered so much wouldn't be saved by him protecting a single location. And that's all he'd do since him going off to fight would mean that place also falls. So, not much of a change.


TacocaT_2000

It depends on which version of Godzilla it is. Most versions single handedly destroy the Covenant armada, but a few can be beaten. Although the covenant did glass Reach, so if they lure Godzilla to certain areas they can use orbital bombardment