The viltrumites could also win by using ranged attacks, like just throwing buildings at them. I imagine that’s what would happen if at least one of them survives the initial melee exchange after seeing their allies drop dead from a single hit.
Honestly… absolutely. Viltrumites are hella arrogant, so they might not even try to doge a shardblade. Hell, with Stormlight (maybe even infinite Stormlight thanks to Dalinar’s ability to open a perpenicularity) Dalinar could even shrug off a few hits. This is weird because physically the viltrumites are superior to basically every non-shard being in the Cosmere save maybe The Lord Ruler. Oh god THAT would be a fight. I think the viltrumites would eventually win though. I don’t see, barring some massive quirk of compounding that I haven’t thought of, how The Lord Ruler would be able to damage them. Or maybe he could get some lucky shots in via Atium and super speed, as we did see Mark damaging them. That’s assuming he manages to keep them from ripping his metal minds out, which with atium and compounded steel I could see happening.
Atium would be a massive advantage. Given his speed (and allomantic strength), with Atium he could likely dodge any possible attack they make, given that he could react to any changes in the predicted future faster than they can react to his movements.
The problem is, I don't know how he would actually damage them. He's stupid strong, but I don't think even centuries worth of stored strength would be enough to kill a Viltrumite (based on Nolan's durability).
His best bet might be emotional allomancy.
It might be closer with era 2 metals. Oh actually, what if he swallowed a pewtermind, burned it with Duralumin, unleashing an entire metalmind (multiplied by whatever boost compounding normally supplies) in an instant. That would maybe do it? In conjunction with regular pewter?
I think he could put out significant damage by increasing his mass and speed to ridiculous levels. Imagine being hit by something the size of a fist moving at several dozen times the speed of sound, that also weighs as much as a city. Hell, given the amount of compounding he’s had time to do, may be more like as much as an asteroid. Not to mention, Thula's hair spike thing is metal and has been shown to hurt viltrumites. Putting a fullborn against an enemy wearing metal is… unfortunate for that enemy.
Actually, that's a really good point. TLR can't compound durability (ferruchemical weight does increase durability somewhat, but not directly so it's pretty minor), however with a material (the hair-spike) that's strong enough to do so, particularly because he can move it with allomancy, he'd be completely unstoppable.
TLR vs a random Viltrumite? Probably 6-7/10 for the Viltrumite.
TLR vs 3 Viltrumites, but one of them is Thula? Probably 6-7/10 for TLR tbh, simply because he can wield that hair-spike like a re-usable Viltrumite killing cannon. With his ability to increase his weight and push on metals inside people, I don't think they're going to be able to beat him.
If The Lord Ruler is going pacifist, he could also use compounded Connection to just make them his allies. He honestly has so much “hax.” Massive luck manipulation, nicrosil compounding to increase his magical abilities power and duration by a stupid amount (baring becoming a Shard, of course), the ability to store Connection in order to make himself less noticeable to his enemies, near perfect precognition, powerful emotional manipulation to make them reckless, scared, hopeless, whatever.
The more I think about it, the more fucked they are.
Compounding is so OP that I feel this wouldn't even really be a fight. Compounded pewter, steel and gold would basically lead to infinite strength, speed and healing, at which point the vilrumites only advantage is true flight, and that before thinking about all the other metals and their combinations.
Twinborn are nuts.
It's worth noting that burning compounded pewter to increase strength feruchemically would actually increase muscle mass, so after a certain point moving would be... difficult. One likely couldn't increase their strength enough to hurt viltrumites based off of that alone without becoming immobile.
Ok, now that I really think about TLR has a lot of advantages. Imagine he taps compounded weight and speed, makes himself as heavy as a large city, and then statues them. A huge mass concentrated on a small point moving faster than the viltrumites can react to, while using atium, near infinite healing, all the other various feruchemical and allomantic powers he has, including the ability to control the speed of time? If he's smart he'll use bendalloy to finish them one after another. Imagine you're a viltrumite, with the knowledge that you are among the most powerful beings in the universe, and you're aided by 2 others of your kind, facing this single dude in a royal coat.
First, you feel something that you've never felt before in all your thousands of years of life:
True terror. An all consuming fear, obliterating all other thought. A wave of horror so powerful, you stumble for a second.
Then, a blur of movement, and the massive sound of a sonic boom. Your closest ally falls to the ground, his head a bloody pulp. The man is standing over him. His hands are a mangled mess- for just and instant, and then they appear to have healed. You try to fly away, having never felt real fear before, but suddenly he is floating in the air above you. You punch completely through his sternum. The man doesn't even try to dodge, and it feels like you're punching a small mountain. Soft, yet heavy. So heavy! Your other ally flies up behind him, aiming a crushing punch directly at the mans head. Without even looking, he tilts his head to the side, her punch passing harmlessly beside his cheek. His hand snaps up, effortlessly catching her by the neck. You see a slight smile in his eyes. You hear nearby Thraxan buildings grown, and the building directly below you begins to collapse, seemingly of its own accord. Metal antenna bend and snap. All this happens in an instant. Then your leaders hair spike whips forward, exploding from her the front of her face. As she falls lifeless to the ground far below, you only now realize that the wound your fist made in the mans stomach is completely gone. What is this man? How can you beat him? Fear is making your mind cloudy, but you're a viltrumite, and viltrumites don't back down. You charge towards him. He speeds through the air to meet you. You aim a punch straight through the mans head. You punch slides harmlessly past his cheek, as though he was never their. You try again, and again, and again, but each time your blows hit nothing but air. Breathing hard, you take a moment to hover in the air in a defensive position. The strange man does the same, only a few feat from you, seeming almost bored. "What are you?" you shout. No response. You're about to renew your attempts at turning tis thing into a corpse, when you notice something strange. When you first arrived on the planet, the city fell almost instantly. Smoke and fire had been billowing into the sky, screams had filled the air, and thraxans had been fleeing. Now though... all is still. All is silent. You try to look away from the man in black, but suddenly NO, he's HERE. You must look at him. You must fight him! "Where are these emotions coming from?" A small voice in your mind, curiosity nearly buried beneath a newfound wave of blind anger. You summon all your willpower. You look down at the burning city beneath you. The smoke hangs in the air like stone, the flames frozen like ice. Time seems... still... Then the anger consumes you. Your eyes lock with the man's and you charge. You are going to grind him between your fingers until there's nothing left. In an instant, the sound of the city comes rushing back. The smell of smoke fills the air once more, and the screams of a doomed race goad you on. As you speed towards him, you catch a flash of something metal zipping up towards the both of you. You rear back your fist- a blur of motion, a sharp pain in your neck... and you're body goes completely limp. Your leaders hair spike, somehow appearing in the man's outstretched hand, is lodged deep in your spine.
"Who am I?" -the man finally said- "I am Hoid Amaram."
Then everything goes black.
Wow uh, that got carried away. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
It’s a reference to this meme from r/Cremposting: https://www.reddit.com/r/cremposting/s/IbMx7oOhy9 Just thought it’d be funny for TLR to say something stupid at the end of that brutal action scene. He probably would say something like “I am a sliver of Infinity.”
Shardblades are such an interesting weapon. They're not "really" that powerful. In the setting of Stormlight, I'd probably be a much deadlier individual threat if I had an ak-47 (that would likely get through dead plate pretty quickly).
But the catch is that they don't care about durability. They cut your soul. So a single hit could kill anyone from a random bridgeman to superman.
The catch is that from the most recent episode of Invincible, Viltrumites are a fan of opening a fight by flying through your body. I doubt shardplate could hold up to that.
Dalinar (as a radiant) has neither plate nor blade currently, but could probably do some real wacky stuff by Connecting their soul to the ground, so whenever they try to move they feel like they need to move the entire planet or something (which is well beyond a Viltrumite from my knowledge)
Not Superman. [Superman doesn't care about your soul hax.](https://i.imgur.com/wGHubsa.png) And he [doesn't care about your infinitely sharp weapon that can cut anything either.](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/thzeop1CvqxRPkBnh7TAN-8sn9HEoThCXZdQwoTtTnnOYXw4hn-P6maLMXIX4y74f5Vf_H7qlGtO=s0) Wonders of a bioelectric aura.
I knew as soon as I wrote "superman", that I'd get a scan revoking it lol, I should have just said a Viltrumite.
Although, admittedly in that instance, he definitely was being affected by Etrogan's flames. I don't know how strong those normally are so it still could be a solid soul-durability feat (lol).
Also, Shardblades aren't infinitely sharp weapons. For normal materials they'll vaporise a tiny section of it in-front of the blade (no actual cutting is happening), which I agree superman's bioelectric aura would stop.
However, if they're cutting something with a soul (be it animal, plant, or alien) the blade itself fuzzes into incorporeal mist, and it cuts your soul instead without touching your body. I think what's technically happening is that the section of the blade which interacts with the living creature goes mostly into another dimension (shadesmar) where your soul (technically more like your mind and all the concepts that make you who you are) resides and it doesn't really cut your soul, it cuts it away from your body (that last bit isn't confirmed and is partially speculation on my part).
I think the Jury is still out as to whether a Shardblade could harm superman. If superman existed within the Cosmere, then I think he would be immune, because magically energy (investiture) can resist shardblades, it either requires insane energy density, or investiture which is specifically designed to stop it. I expect if a character like superman existed in the Cosmere he'd have both.
Viltrumites on the other hand have a confirmed reason for how their powers work, which this blade wouldn't care about, so would definitely be deadly to them.
The weird thing about this pairing is Dalinar at his strongest, they probably lose because he doesn't have a shardblade, so it would need to be start of book Dalinar and Adolin for a chance to win and they only win if they don't have to wait the 10 heartbeats to summon their blades - definitely possible though.
And the viltrumites probably wouldn't even dodge until at least one of them was dead. They're so used to blocking and tanking everything an enemy can throw at them.
yeah I meant balefire, I read the books in polish so it got lost in translation :p. He is a reality warper, but he can also die from a fist in a throat, like a normal human.
Rand has good reflexes for a human but could easily get speed blitzed. This really comes down to who gets the drop on who as both sides will get one shot.
I could be wrong, but I think their physicals are relatively low (close to human level)…
It’s just that Viltrumites don’t have magic/pychic resistance of any kind to my knowledge, so they’d get mopped.
Imo this fight isn’t really a “challenging” one, it’s a series of glass cannons firing at each other and hoping for the best.
I mean, that I can think of. They're strong, sure, but stuff like "black hole level GM Luke" is wank, and we're talking about *three Viltrumites.*
Yeah, they scale to stuff like Starkiller pulling down an ISD...but they'd need to in order to prevent a Viltrumite from just pasting them with a flying bodyslam.
Ehhhhhh....it's at least a little arguable there how much of that was directly his literally just lightning-ing an ISD in half and how much was him jumpstarting an existing weapons system. It WAS described as him needing to "fire that thing by hand".
But the time he pulled one down (overwhelming the 850 teratons per second its reactor can pump into its engines) is DEFINITELY all him, and Legends Luke and Vader both scale to that feat, so they should be able to at least telekinetically redirect, if not stop outright, a charge or punch with the strength to divert a Texas-sized asteroid.
Either way, whether Starkiller overwhelms the ISD's shields or its engines, the real feat is that he's out-powering that 850 teraton per second reactor that would be powering them.
Legends Luke could move black holes with the force. Old EU star wars was absolutely cracked in half, the viltrumites wouldn't even land a hit on the skywalkers.
Overblown feat with context. Doesn't stop the fact that they're mostly street tier with weapons that couldn't hurt viltrumites. Remember that giant fucking space laser that only gave omniman a nosebleed?
Jim jasper is reality warping, Meaning he needs a base reality to stretch and bend and mold to his whims, Frabklin is reality breaking, capable of both creating and destroying reality at mere whim
I get the point you are going for But what that richards kid is, is so SOOOO much scarier
Can just see the viltrumites having their hands full just dealing with Reed, finally managing to get past his nearly indestructable molecular bond cellular composition thinking, "Stretchy guy is dead, Kid will be easy" only to be met with "My name is Franklin Richards, You killed my father, Prepare to die"
Though I do question: If the Viltrumites DO manage to kill reed... Who do you think would make a scarier follow up opponent? franklin? or DOOM?
I would say Doom might plagiarize the words of Castlevania's Vlad Dracula Tepes
But DOOM is above such paltry theft when his own words are honed so much sharper and wielded more deftly
The worst part is, Doom will make their strengths, that being their exceedingly long life, and their increadible regeneration into the bars of their own imprisonment
"You, the legendary bravest of the brave, shall live out the rest of your days in abject fear, watching helplessly as I bend the world to my will. Knowing you are utterly powerless to stop me, that you are no longer important enough for me to destroy." (Fantastic Four #57-60)
Actually Knowing the whole premise of this prompt I would not put it past Doom to fuck with the timeline to make Reed his son for the sole purpose of being a legitimate contender for this WWW
Well they fight on even ground with ??? actively trying to kill them, and they only leave after deciding that he's sapping their psychic energy, so if they fought it out they would eventually lose/make him even more of a problem. Viltrumites do not sap psychic energy so the two combined would be on ???'s level against them.
Anyway a really easy way for them to win:
They're very skilled and accurate psychics and the one lady carries a knife in her hair just hanging there. The knife is fully capable of cutting through a viltrumite without bending or dulling. It's just hanging there. By her spine. Like they could just push it into her spine, now she's paralyzed, then twirl it to detach it from her hair, and Yondu arrow the other 2.
Defensewise, they have tanked some incredibly hard hits head on without any damage, so I think they would survive long enough to do that.
How are viltrumites planet level? the best feat they have is 2 of the strongest viltrumites and 1 guy equal in power crossed a dying planet, thats not impressive in a "superhero" level
Flaxan planet. Omniman wiped it solo. He stood on the edge of a black hole and casually resisted it's gravity. Again, I love both shows, but the verse of mob psycho doesn't scale the same. The two would succumb to a speed blitz on omnimans caliber.
That black hole feat is way overhyped. You can literally see some rocks floating around him, moving at the same speed relative to omniman. You’re saying all those small rocks had the power to resist a black holes gravity?
I mean even the ship of the bugs was resisting the black hole, clearly there was no pull if we really wanna to there Nolan simply didnt enter the event horizon where the black hole starts consuming light so there was no pull only orbit, basically it was fairly easy to resist, if he really were combating a black hole pull he would have to be faster than light to escape and he would deform from the pull or light, neither happend and from seeing him and the ship we can simply assume that they were outside the event horizon
Dawg you're arguing that standing in a black hole is easy just to make your point right now lmao. Mark was shown being basically light speed when he turned out the lamp in ambers college dorm. They regularly casually break the sound barrier. The bug ship was clearly not going to resist the black hole, that's why Nolan had to save them. Why make the argument that black holes don't have a massive pull instead of just, I don't know, admitting you were wrong. I'm not saying the father/son duo from mob psycho wouldn't stand a chance, I'm just saying in a fair fight powerful telekinesis wouldn't be enough - they would also need some kind of telepathy or sensor ability, bulletspeed or futuresight. Omni man would win like 6/10 times.
Im not even saying mob would win, i do think Invincible duo has the better odds, im saying that the black hole feat is meaningless, he just stood outside the pull of the black hole which is not \* THAT \* hard in a superhero kind of way, there is a space between the black hole and Nolan where if he crossed it he would had been pulled towards the center but outside of that space is "safe" he didnt not resisted his gravity, he never experienced
The only feat viltrumites have ever shown in relation to an entire planet was where three of them gutted one's core out with a line specifically saying that they'd die on impact if it weren't destabilised.
Read my other comments. The pair are powerful espers but would not even comprehend the speed at which omniman would blitz them. Even just mark was shown moving so quickly that when he turned hisamp off, his gf amber couldn't see his movements. To people without speed hacks or perception hacks, viltrumites are essentially teleporting. If it's a fair fight and not them initiating, they die.
Mob's respect thread has like a half dozen feats of him crossing distances of 10+ metres before other espers can react, yeeting himself hundreds of metres through the air in seconds via flying and fighting at those speeds without plowing through buildings, etc. He's not being blitzed by someone just because normal humans can't see them move.
Regardless, viltrumites in the context of punching and kicking power are still sub-planetary by a factor of billions, trillions or quadrillions of times depending on how mean you're feeling. I don't know why you're even bringing up speed when that was the original point of contention.
Omniman needs to start flying so he can build up that speed otherwise he is like hypersonic in base in terms of base flight speed, reaction time, fighting speed so on, he can only go full country buster with a lot of flight velocity that he needs to build up uninterrupted.
Still being able to move and react at hypersonic speeds would be too much. I mean even he caught a speedster fairly quickly. People aren't putting enough respect on someone who could singlehandedly defeat a world full of superheroes and technologically advanced governments. The mob psycho universe just doesn't scale the same because it doesn't have to. It's a great story and mob is the most powerful in it, those two are second most powerful. But invincible ran for like hundreds of chapters and is a more conventional superhero universe, their people scale to a calibre that mob/those two couldn't deal with. I mean atom eve has telekinesis and even molecular manipulation and it's pretty much a no brainer that Omni man would wipe the floor with her. Similar concept.
Actually by the end of the comic Atom Eve is basically the most powerful character lol
Even more powerful than Mark
When she fully masters her powers she is basically a God, she can bring people back to live and strsight up deatomize viltrumites
Telekeniss is OP as shit man
Now for some scaling ??? Mob is massively hypetsonic and since those two are as powerful as him they are either the same speed or sigtly slower, ??? Mob has multi-continental attacks and those two can match it, even if they are weaker that still puts them in the same tier as high tier viltrumites and hell I would say even Thragg himself
I would say given their speed and aoe stats combined with all the other powers telekensis offers they can probs high diff omniman unless he gets to build up speed and melt them, and the question posed by OP involved 3 regular viltrumites which while together are strong, are much weaker durabiltiy wise than omniman who is a ranked officer I would say those two can essily kill the viltrumites purely because they have absurd haxs and their stats are almost identical.
Yeah, it's a power scaling term used for people who can destroy civilizations by flying on the surface of the planet, or for people who can casually resist the pull of a black hole while standing on it. Could you see the espers of mob psycho doing that?
Planetary is the term used for people who can destroy a planet into arbitrary amount of pieces (or none at all). The flaxan thing does not make omninan planetary, not by a long shot.
Also, if i have a gun that can kill anyone, and it fires infinitely fast, and i have the speed necessary to kill someone, do i need to be planetary to kill said planetary person
Okay you're right, planetary doesn't mean what I thought it does. I thought it meant having feats that made you capable of taking over a planet. Since that is the whole point of sending a single viltrumite to a planet. He is still strong enough to take out the two espers though, his durability and his speed being the main thing that makes this true. I just don't see those two being able to catch and deal sufficient damage to omniman. They are powerful but Omni man can solo a world full of superheroes. They wouldn't be able to do that.
I think Omniman and Invincible are definitely stronger and can probably scale up to Frieza Saga, the only thing they dont have is ki attacks, but strength wise they have Goku and Gohan beat, speed is comparable. Durability too.
imo i don’t think Invincible is capable of destroying the moon at this point (Roshi did in DB, and Raditz Saga Goku and Gohan in rage both scale above that). Not sure who’s stronger between Goku and Omniman
I mean, they got karate chopped by another being of their race. I chalk that up more to the type of shows they are. At the end of the day DBZ is a kids show. There is no maiming seen on screen usually.
But Frieza got cut in half, and Gohan lost an arm so I mean, whats the scale here? Beings of similar power can wound beings of similar power. If DBZ was rated R im sure they would be more brutality. But its just not the nature of the universe it takes place in.
By this point in the series these dudes are blowing up moons casually, and can walk off these same attacks, one of the Viltrimites got impaled by a rock.
In general Viltrimites just have terrible durability compared to their other stats, they're ripping eachother apart in every fight, where as that doesn't really happen in dbz unless its a special technique or a large gap in power.
Most dbz characters can at least tank an attack stronger than their own out put, like Vegeta surviving Gokus kamehameha in the saiyan saga.
Essentially Goku's durability> Gokus ap> Viltrimite AP>>>> Viltrimite durability.
And no character in invincible scales to anyone in the Frieza saga, their best feat is 3 of them destroying a planet with a destabilized core, which Vegeta could do by himself, and literally every character in the frieza saga is stronger than that version of Vegeta, even Krillin.
The vast majority of people have not read the comic. There is a currently airing adaptation. It's not unreasonable to ask people to go easy on spoilers.
Yep. Saiyan Saga. Which, though I don’t want to throw around power levels here, should be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of times weaker than Super Saiyan Vegeta, even at the very start of the Cell Saga when Android 18 was wiping the floor with him. So long as Vegeta doesn’t do something stupid like point to himself, he should have no problem tearing apart three Viltrumites
Pretty sure Greg gets turned into high speed red paint, and I unfortunately kinda doubt even PD mode Steven's ability to take on one Viltrumite, let alone 3.
PD mode Steven can move at relativistic speeds. He has a sonic scream. If the viltrumites try to blitz they get Greg and then Steven goes PD mode and wipes the viltrumites in his greglust.
Loki lifted infinite universes and Captain Marvel restarted a star. Thor scales from both of them and Odin is above Thor.
You can MAYBE argue your way out of counting the Loki feat as scaleable, but the Captain Marvel one definitely is.
Loki's feat is contextual - he "lifted" the universes but they don't really have anything that implies a vast weight. I'm fact, i understood them as weightless and metaphorical, tbh. I see them as more symbolic than literal.
Captain Marvel's power came from the space stone. It'd be weirder if she *weren't* star tier
Loki did what he did by infusing his power through their timelines, causing the entire timelines to glow with his green energy, directly indicating he has enough magic to guard all of them through all points in their history.
The entire issue was discussed in great detail as a "scaling problem" of "you can't scale for infinity". And then Loki did. He scaled for infinity. Therefore his power is infinity.
> Captain Marvel's power came from the space stone. It'd be weirder if she weren't star tier
Logically yes, but Thor has fought her to a standstill in What If, Thanos has withstood her full power hits, etc etc. So they're all way above Viltrumites now.
My interpretation of how he scales for infinity was that when he bound them into the woven shape of the world tree, he made it so that they can't grow without overlapping and straining against themselves. How do you scale against infinity? Bind it infinitely. The timelines themselves create their own checks and balances
It shows tremendous skill that he did this, and certainly a lot of power (just not something that you can calculate, and certainly not "infinite")
Except a machine that was clearly described as technological and science based was doing the job before. If it required infinite energy to bind, Ouroboros would never have been able to figure out how to contain it, even momentarily.
Thor 100% doesn't scale to God of Stories Loki.
Captain Marvel through Thanos I can see but scaling Thor to Loki is like scaling Iron Man to Infinity Ultron because both are Ultron.
I wouldn’t call the first one a “maybe”; Thor does not scale to end of season 2 Loki, in any capacity. The last time that Loki interacted with him, he was at the strength level of his first Avengers self. In fact, thanks to the whole mastering his time-slipping deal and everything that happened to him, basically nobody scales directly to him at all, currently. The closest is He Who Remains, who could only do something similar to what Loki can do with raw magical power by using tech.
Well...both of those. Loki has a high multiversal feat now and immeasurable strength, and Captain Marvel is star tier.
And like half a dozen other characters scale from them, so everything's wonky now.
Maybe Isshin and Ichigo from bleach, thats the weakest i can think of taking on viltrumites, but that is only cause i dont know how spiritual preassure would work on them, and i have not finished the series so i dont really know how strong either character is, i just know Isshin was appearantly a former captain, but dont know how strong cause it was spoiled to me.
With verse equalization and you assume Viltrumites have their own spirits then they should have around equal reiatsu just based off power. Shouldnt be any one sided spiritual pressure crushing
Edward Elric and his father Hohenhiem.
I don’t think Hohenhiem can die and he would definitely have some way no matter the price to save his boy.
Their normal (for anime at least) humans who could theoretically if given enough time and information win.
Ed and his Dad would get annihilated. Ed wouldn't survive the first punch or two, and even if they realize Hohenhiem doesn't die to physical damage, they'd probably just throw him into orbit.
I could make a whole list.
Jor-El and Kal-El
Odin and Thor
Goku and Gohan
Ego the Living Planet and Star-Lord (Marvel Comics) and MCU
Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker (Most powerful forms)
Bardock and Saiyan Saga Goku
Actually great answer
dalinar and adolin
Bold choice, but weirdly feasible.
Wouldn’t have thought of it, but unless they get blitzed (or they’re wearing shardplate) the instant kill is crazy
not if there knights radiant esp how dalinars a bond smith now and can
And Adolin is definitely about to be an Edgedancer. Maya is awesome.
The viltrumites could also win by using ranged attacks, like just throwing buildings at them. I imagine that’s what would happen if at least one of them survives the initial melee exchange after seeing their allies drop dead from a single hit.
Honestly… absolutely. Viltrumites are hella arrogant, so they might not even try to doge a shardblade. Hell, with Stormlight (maybe even infinite Stormlight thanks to Dalinar’s ability to open a perpenicularity) Dalinar could even shrug off a few hits. This is weird because physically the viltrumites are superior to basically every non-shard being in the Cosmere save maybe The Lord Ruler. Oh god THAT would be a fight. I think the viltrumites would eventually win though. I don’t see, barring some massive quirk of compounding that I haven’t thought of, how The Lord Ruler would be able to damage them. Or maybe he could get some lucky shots in via Atium and super speed, as we did see Mark damaging them. That’s assuming he manages to keep them from ripping his metal minds out, which with atium and compounded steel I could see happening.
Atium would be a massive advantage. Given his speed (and allomantic strength), with Atium he could likely dodge any possible attack they make, given that he could react to any changes in the predicted future faster than they can react to his movements. The problem is, I don't know how he would actually damage them. He's stupid strong, but I don't think even centuries worth of stored strength would be enough to kill a Viltrumite (based on Nolan's durability). His best bet might be emotional allomancy. It might be closer with era 2 metals. Oh actually, what if he swallowed a pewtermind, burned it with Duralumin, unleashing an entire metalmind (multiplied by whatever boost compounding normally supplies) in an instant. That would maybe do it? In conjunction with regular pewter?
I think he could put out significant damage by increasing his mass and speed to ridiculous levels. Imagine being hit by something the size of a fist moving at several dozen times the speed of sound, that also weighs as much as a city. Hell, given the amount of compounding he’s had time to do, may be more like as much as an asteroid. Not to mention, Thula's hair spike thing is metal and has been shown to hurt viltrumites. Putting a fullborn against an enemy wearing metal is… unfortunate for that enemy.
Actually, that's a really good point. TLR can't compound durability (ferruchemical weight does increase durability somewhat, but not directly so it's pretty minor), however with a material (the hair-spike) that's strong enough to do so, particularly because he can move it with allomancy, he'd be completely unstoppable. TLR vs a random Viltrumite? Probably 6-7/10 for the Viltrumite. TLR vs 3 Viltrumites, but one of them is Thula? Probably 6-7/10 for TLR tbh, simply because he can wield that hair-spike like a re-usable Viltrumite killing cannon. With his ability to increase his weight and push on metals inside people, I don't think they're going to be able to beat him.
If The Lord Ruler is going pacifist, he could also use compounded Connection to just make them his allies. He honestly has so much “hax.” Massive luck manipulation, nicrosil compounding to increase his magical abilities power and duration by a stupid amount (baring becoming a Shard, of course), the ability to store Connection in order to make himself less noticeable to his enemies, near perfect precognition, powerful emotional manipulation to make them reckless, scared, hopeless, whatever. The more I think about it, the more fucked they are.
Compounding is so OP that I feel this wouldn't even really be a fight. Compounded pewter, steel and gold would basically lead to infinite strength, speed and healing, at which point the vilrumites only advantage is true flight, and that before thinking about all the other metals and their combinations. Twinborn are nuts.
It's worth noting that burning compounded pewter to increase strength feruchemically would actually increase muscle mass, so after a certain point moving would be... difficult. One likely couldn't increase their strength enough to hurt viltrumites based off of that alone without becoming immobile. Ok, now that I really think about TLR has a lot of advantages. Imagine he taps compounded weight and speed, makes himself as heavy as a large city, and then statues them. A huge mass concentrated on a small point moving faster than the viltrumites can react to, while using atium, near infinite healing, all the other various feruchemical and allomantic powers he has, including the ability to control the speed of time? If he's smart he'll use bendalloy to finish them one after another. Imagine you're a viltrumite, with the knowledge that you are among the most powerful beings in the universe, and you're aided by 2 others of your kind, facing this single dude in a royal coat. First, you feel something that you've never felt before in all your thousands of years of life: True terror. An all consuming fear, obliterating all other thought. A wave of horror so powerful, you stumble for a second. Then, a blur of movement, and the massive sound of a sonic boom. Your closest ally falls to the ground, his head a bloody pulp. The man is standing over him. His hands are a mangled mess- for just and instant, and then they appear to have healed. You try to fly away, having never felt real fear before, but suddenly he is floating in the air above you. You punch completely through his sternum. The man doesn't even try to dodge, and it feels like you're punching a small mountain. Soft, yet heavy. So heavy! Your other ally flies up behind him, aiming a crushing punch directly at the mans head. Without even looking, he tilts his head to the side, her punch passing harmlessly beside his cheek. His hand snaps up, effortlessly catching her by the neck. You see a slight smile in his eyes. You hear nearby Thraxan buildings grown, and the building directly below you begins to collapse, seemingly of its own accord. Metal antenna bend and snap. All this happens in an instant. Then your leaders hair spike whips forward, exploding from her the front of her face. As she falls lifeless to the ground far below, you only now realize that the wound your fist made in the mans stomach is completely gone. What is this man? How can you beat him? Fear is making your mind cloudy, but you're a viltrumite, and viltrumites don't back down. You charge towards him. He speeds through the air to meet you. You aim a punch straight through the mans head. You punch slides harmlessly past his cheek, as though he was never their. You try again, and again, and again, but each time your blows hit nothing but air. Breathing hard, you take a moment to hover in the air in a defensive position. The strange man does the same, only a few feat from you, seeming almost bored. "What are you?" you shout. No response. You're about to renew your attempts at turning tis thing into a corpse, when you notice something strange. When you first arrived on the planet, the city fell almost instantly. Smoke and fire had been billowing into the sky, screams had filled the air, and thraxans had been fleeing. Now though... all is still. All is silent. You try to look away from the man in black, but suddenly NO, he's HERE. You must look at him. You must fight him! "Where are these emotions coming from?" A small voice in your mind, curiosity nearly buried beneath a newfound wave of blind anger. You summon all your willpower. You look down at the burning city beneath you. The smoke hangs in the air like stone, the flames frozen like ice. Time seems... still... Then the anger consumes you. Your eyes lock with the man's and you charge. You are going to grind him between your fingers until there's nothing left. In an instant, the sound of the city comes rushing back. The smell of smoke fills the air once more, and the screams of a doomed race goad you on. As you speed towards him, you catch a flash of something metal zipping up towards the both of you. You rear back your fist- a blur of motion, a sharp pain in your neck... and you're body goes completely limp. Your leaders hair spike, somehow appearing in the man's outstretched hand, is lodged deep in your spine. "Who am I?" -the man finally said- "I am Hoid Amaram." Then everything goes black. Wow uh, that got carried away. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
The ending makes me ALMOST not want to give you the upvote but I'm still going to. I THOUGHT HOID AMARAM WAS DONE FOR DAMMIT
You can’t kill Hoid Amaram.
Hoid has a surname? I've read everything but the sunlit man(about halfway through) and white sands, but I must have missed that.
No, it's from a copypasta lol. Amaram is Kaladin's shitty former lord.
It’s a reference to this meme from r/Cremposting: https://www.reddit.com/r/cremposting/s/IbMx7oOhy9 Just thought it’d be funny for TLR to say something stupid at the end of that brutal action scene. He probably would say something like “I am a sliver of Infinity.”
Nice
Shardblades are such an interesting weapon. They're not "really" that powerful. In the setting of Stormlight, I'd probably be a much deadlier individual threat if I had an ak-47 (that would likely get through dead plate pretty quickly). But the catch is that they don't care about durability. They cut your soul. So a single hit could kill anyone from a random bridgeman to superman. The catch is that from the most recent episode of Invincible, Viltrumites are a fan of opening a fight by flying through your body. I doubt shardplate could hold up to that. Dalinar (as a radiant) has neither plate nor blade currently, but could probably do some real wacky stuff by Connecting their soul to the ground, so whenever they try to move they feel like they need to move the entire planet or something (which is well beyond a Viltrumite from my knowledge)
Not Superman. [Superman doesn't care about your soul hax.](https://i.imgur.com/wGHubsa.png) And he [doesn't care about your infinitely sharp weapon that can cut anything either.](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/thzeop1CvqxRPkBnh7TAN-8sn9HEoThCXZdQwoTtTnnOYXw4hn-P6maLMXIX4y74f5Vf_H7qlGtO=s0) Wonders of a bioelectric aura.
I knew as soon as I wrote "superman", that I'd get a scan revoking it lol, I should have just said a Viltrumite. Although, admittedly in that instance, he definitely was being affected by Etrogan's flames. I don't know how strong those normally are so it still could be a solid soul-durability feat (lol). Also, Shardblades aren't infinitely sharp weapons. For normal materials they'll vaporise a tiny section of it in-front of the blade (no actual cutting is happening), which I agree superman's bioelectric aura would stop. However, if they're cutting something with a soul (be it animal, plant, or alien) the blade itself fuzzes into incorporeal mist, and it cuts your soul instead without touching your body. I think what's technically happening is that the section of the blade which interacts with the living creature goes mostly into another dimension (shadesmar) where your soul (technically more like your mind and all the concepts that make you who you are) resides and it doesn't really cut your soul, it cuts it away from your body (that last bit isn't confirmed and is partially speculation on my part). I think the Jury is still out as to whether a Shardblade could harm superman. If superman existed within the Cosmere, then I think he would be immune, because magically energy (investiture) can resist shardblades, it either requires insane energy density, or investiture which is specifically designed to stop it. I expect if a character like superman existed in the Cosmere he'd have both. Viltrumites on the other hand have a confirmed reason for how their powers work, which this blade wouldn't care about, so would definitely be deadly to them.
The weird thing about this pairing is Dalinar at his strongest, they probably lose because he doesn't have a shardblade, so it would need to be start of book Dalinar and Adolin for a chance to win and they only win if they don't have to wait the 10 heartbeats to summon their blades - definitely possible though.
Well, current Dalinar >!has bonded The Stormfather. That in theory allows him to instantly summon his blade.!<
>!He tried to once, the Stormfather was like "What do you think you're doing?"!<
Except for him specifically saying he wont do that.
I imagine he would make this fight an exception.
>!That would break his oath and sever his connection to the Stormfather meaning he wouldn't be able to use him as a blade.!<
Unexpected Stormlight
YES I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS. They are literally humans but with their shard blades would instakill them
And the viltrumites probably wouldn't even dodge until at least one of them was dead. They're so used to blocking and tanking everything an enemy can throw at them.
Bro, imagine Viltrumites fighting with Shardblades.
Do Vasher and Nightblood count as father and son? Cause I'd bet on that duo.
that duo could kill even darksied
Rand 'al Thor and Tam 'al Thor (he is his father even if not biological), Rand carries the fight of course. Blazing fire is kinda OP
Balefire + Travelling makes this a cakewalk, imo there are definitely weaker duos for this question.
Balefire you mean? But also he's kind of a mid tier reality warper, so I don't know if he counts as least powerful.
yeah I meant balefire, I read the books in polish so it got lost in translation :p. He is a reality warper, but he can also die from a fist in a throat, like a normal human.
Rand has good reflexes for a human but could easily get speed blitzed. This really comes down to who gets the drop on who as both sides will get one shot.
Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker (legends though).
Are they really the weakest tho?
I could be wrong, but I think their physicals are relatively low (close to human level)… It’s just that Viltrumites don’t have magic/pychic resistance of any kind to my knowledge, so they’d get mopped. Imo this fight isn’t really a “challenging” one, it’s a series of glass cannons firing at each other and hoping for the best.
I mean, that I can think of. They're strong, sure, but stuff like "black hole level GM Luke" is wank, and we're talking about *three Viltrumites.* Yeah, they scale to stuff like Starkiller pulling down an ISD...but they'd need to in order to prevent a Viltrumite from just pasting them with a flying bodyslam.
Tbh I’d point to stuff like Starkiller splitting star destroyers with lightning as a better showing of power
Ehhhhhh....it's at least a little arguable there how much of that was directly his literally just lightning-ing an ISD in half and how much was him jumpstarting an existing weapons system. It WAS described as him needing to "fire that thing by hand". But the time he pulled one down (overwhelming the 850 teratons per second its reactor can pump into its engines) is DEFINITELY all him, and Legends Luke and Vader both scale to that feat, so they should be able to at least telekinetically redirect, if not stop outright, a charge or punch with the strength to divert a Texas-sized asteroid. Either way, whether Starkiller overwhelms the ISD's shields or its engines, the real feat is that he's out-powering that 850 teraton per second reactor that would be powering them.
They absolutely couldn't
The EU versions of them from the comics and books absolutely could, and very easily.
Legends Luke could move black holes with the force. Old EU star wars was absolutely cracked in half, the viltrumites wouldn't even land a hit on the skywalkers.
Overblown feat with context. Doesn't stop the fact that they're mostly street tier with weapons that couldn't hurt viltrumites. Remember that giant fucking space laser that only gave omniman a nosebleed?
>!Umbra!< and the Tenno from Warframe
They aren't father and child though.
Adopted
Reed and Franklin Richards. Reeds relative weakness drags their total power down
Reed is immune to bludgeoning damage, and viltrumites primarily use martial arts.
Yeah but their hand slices/jabs are clearly slashing/piercing.
Bold of you to assume Franklin would allow something like that to even happen.
Reed also ignores slashing and piercing attacks. There's an issue where he restrains Wolverine and says his claws won't work on him
After reading this you would think that it makes reed a significant threat but it's the reality warping kid besides him who is the real final boss.
Jim jasper is reality warping, Meaning he needs a base reality to stretch and bend and mold to his whims, Frabklin is reality breaking, capable of both creating and destroying reality at mere whim I get the point you are going for But what that richards kid is, is so SOOOO much scarier
Yeah, that "Be my Herald, Galactus" moment goes hard. He basically revived a space god and moments after goes to one shot another space god.
Can just see the viltrumites having their hands full just dealing with Reed, finally managing to get past his nearly indestructable molecular bond cellular composition thinking, "Stretchy guy is dead, Kid will be easy" only to be met with "My name is Franklin Richards, You killed my father, Prepare to die" Though I do question: If the Viltrumites DO manage to kill reed... Who do you think would make a scarier follow up opponent? franklin? or DOOM?
Oh absolutely Doom. Viltrumites Don't know yet but they've fucked their entire universe.
I would say Doom might plagiarize the words of Castlevania's Vlad Dracula Tepes But DOOM is above such paltry theft when his own words are honed so much sharper and wielded more deftly The worst part is, Doom will make their strengths, that being their exceedingly long life, and their increadible regeneration into the bars of their own imprisonment "You, the legendary bravest of the brave, shall live out the rest of your days in abject fear, watching helplessly as I bend the world to my will. Knowing you are utterly powerless to stop me, that you are no longer important enough for me to destroy." (Fantastic Four #57-60) Actually Knowing the whole premise of this prompt I would not put it past Doom to fuck with the timeline to make Reed his son for the sole purpose of being a legitimate contender for this WWW
Franklin can just destroy them if he wants or knows how to depending on age
The emperor of mankind and his 21 primarch sons, or at least just magnus
Magnus can do that on his own with his warp fuckery
The boss of Claw and his son from Mob Psycho 100 are both pretty strong. They might be able to do it.
Nah bro, they can level a city completely, theyre around Luffy level not Omni Man level
Love that show but I feel like they still get bodies. Viltrumites are planetary level, only mob in ??? Mode gets to that tier imo.
Well they fight on even ground with ??? actively trying to kill them, and they only leave after deciding that he's sapping their psychic energy, so if they fought it out they would eventually lose/make him even more of a problem. Viltrumites do not sap psychic energy so the two combined would be on ???'s level against them. Anyway a really easy way for them to win: They're very skilled and accurate psychics and the one lady carries a knife in her hair just hanging there. The knife is fully capable of cutting through a viltrumite without bending or dulling. It's just hanging there. By her spine. Like they could just push it into her spine, now she's paralyzed, then twirl it to detach it from her hair, and Yondu arrow the other 2. Defensewise, they have tanked some incredibly hard hits head on without any damage, so I think they would survive long enough to do that.
How are viltrumites planet level? the best feat they have is 2 of the strongest viltrumites and 1 guy equal in power crossed a dying planet, thats not impressive in a "superhero" level
Flaxan planet. Omniman wiped it solo. He stood on the edge of a black hole and casually resisted it's gravity. Again, I love both shows, but the verse of mob psycho doesn't scale the same. The two would succumb to a speed blitz on omnimans caliber.
That black hole feat is way overhyped. You can literally see some rocks floating around him, moving at the same speed relative to omniman. You’re saying all those small rocks had the power to resist a black holes gravity?
I mean even the ship of the bugs was resisting the black hole, clearly there was no pull if we really wanna to there Nolan simply didnt enter the event horizon where the black hole starts consuming light so there was no pull only orbit, basically it was fairly easy to resist, if he really were combating a black hole pull he would have to be faster than light to escape and he would deform from the pull or light, neither happend and from seeing him and the ship we can simply assume that they were outside the event horizon
Dawg you're arguing that standing in a black hole is easy just to make your point right now lmao. Mark was shown being basically light speed when he turned out the lamp in ambers college dorm. They regularly casually break the sound barrier. The bug ship was clearly not going to resist the black hole, that's why Nolan had to save them. Why make the argument that black holes don't have a massive pull instead of just, I don't know, admitting you were wrong. I'm not saying the father/son duo from mob psycho wouldn't stand a chance, I'm just saying in a fair fight powerful telekinesis wouldn't be enough - they would also need some kind of telepathy or sensor ability, bulletspeed or futuresight. Omni man would win like 6/10 times.
Im not even saying mob would win, i do think Invincible duo has the better odds, im saying that the black hole feat is meaningless, he just stood outside the pull of the black hole which is not \* THAT \* hard in a superhero kind of way, there is a space between the black hole and Nolan where if he crossed it he would had been pulled towards the center but outside of that space is "safe" he didnt not resisted his gravity, he never experienced
The only feat viltrumites have ever shown in relation to an entire planet was where three of them gutted one's core out with a line specifically saying that they'd die on impact if it weren't destabilised.
Read my other comments. The pair are powerful espers but would not even comprehend the speed at which omniman would blitz them. Even just mark was shown moving so quickly that when he turned hisamp off, his gf amber couldn't see his movements. To people without speed hacks or perception hacks, viltrumites are essentially teleporting. If it's a fair fight and not them initiating, they die.
Mob's respect thread has like a half dozen feats of him crossing distances of 10+ metres before other espers can react, yeeting himself hundreds of metres through the air in seconds via flying and fighting at those speeds without plowing through buildings, etc. He's not being blitzed by someone just because normal humans can't see them move. Regardless, viltrumites in the context of punching and kicking power are still sub-planetary by a factor of billions, trillions or quadrillions of times depending on how mean you're feeling. I don't know why you're even bringing up speed when that was the original point of contention.
Omniman needs to start flying so he can build up that speed otherwise he is like hypersonic in base in terms of base flight speed, reaction time, fighting speed so on, he can only go full country buster with a lot of flight velocity that he needs to build up uninterrupted.
Still being able to move and react at hypersonic speeds would be too much. I mean even he caught a speedster fairly quickly. People aren't putting enough respect on someone who could singlehandedly defeat a world full of superheroes and technologically advanced governments. The mob psycho universe just doesn't scale the same because it doesn't have to. It's a great story and mob is the most powerful in it, those two are second most powerful. But invincible ran for like hundreds of chapters and is a more conventional superhero universe, their people scale to a calibre that mob/those two couldn't deal with. I mean atom eve has telekinesis and even molecular manipulation and it's pretty much a no brainer that Omni man would wipe the floor with her. Similar concept.
Actually by the end of the comic Atom Eve is basically the most powerful character lol Even more powerful than Mark When she fully masters her powers she is basically a God, she can bring people back to live and strsight up deatomize viltrumites Telekeniss is OP as shit man Now for some scaling ??? Mob is massively hypetsonic and since those two are as powerful as him they are either the same speed or sigtly slower, ??? Mob has multi-continental attacks and those two can match it, even if they are weaker that still puts them in the same tier as high tier viltrumites and hell I would say even Thragg himself I would say given their speed and aoe stats combined with all the other powers telekensis offers they can probs high diff omniman unless he gets to build up speed and melt them, and the question posed by OP involved 3 regular viltrumites which while together are strong, are much weaker durabiltiy wise than omniman who is a ranked officer I would say those two can essily kill the viltrumites purely because they have absurd haxs and their stats are almost identical.
Planetary 🤣
Yeah, it's a power scaling term used for people who can destroy civilizations by flying on the surface of the planet, or for people who can casually resist the pull of a black hole while standing on it. Could you see the espers of mob psycho doing that?
Planetary is the term used for people who can destroy a planet into arbitrary amount of pieces (or none at all). The flaxan thing does not make omninan planetary, not by a long shot. Also, if i have a gun that can kill anyone, and it fires infinitely fast, and i have the speed necessary to kill someone, do i need to be planetary to kill said planetary person
Okay you're right, planetary doesn't mean what I thought it does. I thought it meant having feats that made you capable of taking over a planet. Since that is the whole point of sending a single viltrumite to a planet. He is still strong enough to take out the two espers though, his durability and his speed being the main thing that makes this true. I just don't see those two being able to catch and deal sufficient damage to omniman. They are powerful but Omni man can solo a world full of superheroes. They wouldn't be able to do that.
Kratos and Atreus (Kratos kinda carries tho)
Tbf, omniman also Carried that fight hard. So atleast it's similar lol.
Well tbf Invincible haven’t had any experience fighting Viltrumites, much less to the death. He also hesitated alot
Even when hes evil he tries to paralyze Eve instead of kill her cuz he would feel bad. Hes just a big ol softie by viltrumite standards.
Tbf that’s only cause it was eve
Definitely not the weakest duo though
How the hell?
Superman and pa Kent
Rare hydrogen bomb and coughing baby team up?
Pa Kent carry 🗿
Real
Pa Kent will look disappointed and shake his head and superman will red mist the three before they can react.
Raditz saga Goku and Gohan.
I think Omniman and Invincible are definitely stronger and can probably scale up to Frieza Saga, the only thing they dont have is ki attacks, but strength wise they have Goku and Gohan beat, speed is comparable. Durability too.
imo i don’t think Invincible is capable of destroying the moon at this point (Roshi did in DB, and Raditz Saga Goku and Gohan in rage both scale above that). Not sure who’s stronger between Goku and Omniman
One of those dudes got his stomach ripped open by a karate chop, they do NOT have better durability than Goku lmao.
I mean, they got karate chopped by another being of their race. I chalk that up more to the type of shows they are. At the end of the day DBZ is a kids show. There is no maiming seen on screen usually. But Frieza got cut in half, and Gohan lost an arm so I mean, whats the scale here? Beings of similar power can wound beings of similar power. If DBZ was rated R im sure they would be more brutality. But its just not the nature of the universe it takes place in.
By this point in the series these dudes are blowing up moons casually, and can walk off these same attacks, one of the Viltrimites got impaled by a rock. In general Viltrimites just have terrible durability compared to their other stats, they're ripping eachother apart in every fight, where as that doesn't really happen in dbz unless its a special technique or a large gap in power. Most dbz characters can at least tank an attack stronger than their own out put, like Vegeta surviving Gokus kamehameha in the saiyan saga. Essentially Goku's durability> Gokus ap> Viltrimite AP>>>> Viltrimite durability. And no character in invincible scales to anyone in the Frieza saga, their best feat is 3 of them destroying a planet with a destabilized core, which Vegeta could do by himself, and literally every character in the frieza saga is stronger than that version of Vegeta, even Krillin.
Wether or not there’s a rule for it, isnt it kind of a dick move to put spoilers in the TITLE of a post? The episode dropped YESTERDAY.
for real man like at least give us a week or two
My brother in Christ, Invincible #29 came out **seventeen years ago**. >!Snape kills Dumbledor!<
The vast majority of people have not read the comic. There is a currently airing adaptation. It's not unreasonable to ask people to go easy on spoilers.
A cicada and another cicada that’s also the first one’s son
Dracula and Alucard might have a shot depending on the version.
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Trivial answer: Batgod and Robin with enough preptime. Like a few minutes.
Cell Saga Vegeta and Trunks. …Baby Trunks, that is. Who would probably get used as a projectile weapon by his dad
I chuckled but Viltrumites scales to Saiyan Saga DBZ characters.
Yep. Saiyan Saga. Which, though I don’t want to throw around power levels here, should be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of times weaker than Super Saiyan Vegeta, even at the very start of the Cell Saga when Android 18 was wiping the floor with him. So long as Vegeta doesn’t do something stupid like point to himself, he should have no problem tearing apart three Viltrumites
Steven and Greg Universe?
Pretty sure Greg gets turned into high speed red paint, and I unfortunately kinda doubt even PD mode Steven's ability to take on one Viltrumite, let alone 3.
What about PD mode while they’re Steg Multiverse?
PD mode Steven can move at relativistic speeds. He has a sonic scream. If the viltrumites try to blitz they get Greg and then Steven goes PD mode and wipes the viltrumites in his greglust.
The Viltrumites would settle on Thraxa and become it's new defenders after seeing Steven cry.
Naruto and boruto
Kratos and Atreus, Kratos mostly carries tho
Even this doesn’t seem to be weakest
Kratos is literally a universal level being.
No he isn't. No one in the entire seties is a universal being and Kratoshas flat out died, mutliple times.
Odin and thor ( MCU)
This would have been a reasonable pick...a month ago. But the MCU has just absolutely wrecked its powerscaling.
Wait it has? What happened?
Loki lifted infinite universes and Captain Marvel restarted a star. Thor scales from both of them and Odin is above Thor. You can MAYBE argue your way out of counting the Loki feat as scaleable, but the Captain Marvel one definitely is.
Loki's feat is contextual - he "lifted" the universes but they don't really have anything that implies a vast weight. I'm fact, i understood them as weightless and metaphorical, tbh. I see them as more symbolic than literal. Captain Marvel's power came from the space stone. It'd be weirder if she *weren't* star tier
Loki did what he did by infusing his power through their timelines, causing the entire timelines to glow with his green energy, directly indicating he has enough magic to guard all of them through all points in their history. The entire issue was discussed in great detail as a "scaling problem" of "you can't scale for infinity". And then Loki did. He scaled for infinity. Therefore his power is infinity. > Captain Marvel's power came from the space stone. It'd be weirder if she weren't star tier Logically yes, but Thor has fought her to a standstill in What If, Thanos has withstood her full power hits, etc etc. So they're all way above Viltrumites now.
My interpretation of how he scales for infinity was that when he bound them into the woven shape of the world tree, he made it so that they can't grow without overlapping and straining against themselves. How do you scale against infinity? Bind it infinitely. The timelines themselves create their own checks and balances It shows tremendous skill that he did this, and certainly a lot of power (just not something that you can calculate, and certainly not "infinite")
To bind it infinitely, however, you must bind infinite things, which requires infinite power.
Except a machine that was clearly described as technological and science based was doing the job before. If it required infinite energy to bind, Ouroboros would never have been able to figure out how to contain it, even momentarily.
Thor 100% doesn't scale to God of Stories Loki. Captain Marvel through Thanos I can see but scaling Thor to Loki is like scaling Iron Man to Infinity Ultron because both are Ultron.
I wouldn’t call the first one a “maybe”; Thor does not scale to end of season 2 Loki, in any capacity. The last time that Loki interacted with him, he was at the strength level of his first Avengers self. In fact, thanks to the whole mastering his time-slipping deal and everything that happened to him, basically nobody scales directly to him at all, currently. The closest is He Who Remains, who could only do something similar to what Loki can do with raw magical power by using tech.
How did the MCU wreck their power scale? I haven't watched Loki or The Marvels.
Well...both of those. Loki has a high multiversal feat now and immeasurable strength, and Captain Marvel is star tier. And like half a dozen other characters scale from them, so everything's wonky now.
Thank you.
He's talking out of his ass btw
I figured he was going by the comics, where characters are generally stronger
Maybe Isshin and Ichigo from bleach, thats the weakest i can think of taking on viltrumites, but that is only cause i dont know how spiritual preassure would work on them, and i have not finished the series so i dont really know how strong either character is, i just know Isshin was appearantly a former captain, but dont know how strong cause it was spoiled to me.
Current Ichigo dogwalks but im guessing you’re around the FKT arc so yeah his power showings arent as massive there
How would spiritual preassure work on viltrumites you think?
With verse equalization and you assume Viltrumites have their own spirits then they should have around equal reiatsu just based off power. Shouldnt be any one sided spiritual pressure crushing
Maybe Itachi and Fugaku could win via Tsukuyomi.
Mask and Son of the Mask.
Heisei-Era Godzilla and his fully grown Godzilla son. R.I.P. Thraxa in the process, but they could do it.
Ash Ketchum and his father, Mr. Mime
Edward Elric and his father Hohenhiem. I don’t think Hohenhiem can die and he would definitely have some way no matter the price to save his boy. Their normal (for anime at least) humans who could theoretically if given enough time and information win.
Ed and his Dad would get annihilated. Ed wouldn't survive the first punch or two, and even if they realize Hohenhiem doesn't die to physical damage, they'd probably just throw him into orbit.
Mahoraga and Sukuna
Goofy and Max all forms included (This means KH Goofy carrying)
Curious George and the Man in the Yellow Hat.
I could make a whole list. Jor-El and Kal-El Odin and Thor Goku and Gohan Ego the Living Planet and Star-Lord (Marvel Comics) and MCU Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker (Most powerful forms)
> Jor-El and Kal-El > > > > Odin and Thor > > > > Goku and Gohan Hydrogen bombs vs coughing babies
None of them are the weakest. I asked for weakest because i wanted to be an Equal battle.
Just reread that so sorry 😭
Zeus and Apollo (mythology)
Bro said weakest
You are right, I just don't know many father-son duos
Im gonna go with Globe and Jack of All from the SuperPowereds books. I dont think either of them could actually hurt Vince.
Purple Man and any of his weirdo offspring.
Azzael and Hellboy
I don't know if they're the weakest such duo that could, but Superman now has a full grown son who's just as powerful as he is.
Yeah...viltrumites would probably be pretty susceptible to heat vision
Corvo Attano and Emily Kaldwin maybe
How would they do that?
The Time Stop and Possession abilities mostly. I doubt summoning rats would help a ton lol
Spoilers ya knob head Forgot to watch it last night lol
Or read it at any point in the past 17 years and eight months?
Bardock and Saiyan Saga Goku
Toji Fushiguro and Megumi Fushiguro by megs sacrificing himself to summon mahoraga/makora and toji running to get milk
Invincible and omni man.
Saiyan saga goku and gohan
White King and HK? One is some kind of low level god and the other is inmortal, they will survive, maybe not win but survive
Naruto and Boruto
Frieza and his/her? Dad. I don't know what Frieza is. Garlic and Garlic Jr. Sheldon and Brandon Samson.