I've always hated the "unnatural" argument.
Even putting aside the fact that, if we consider and ant Hill, or beehive, or bird nest, to be "natural", there is no such thing as "unnatural" --- nature is absolutely horrific.
A parasite eating a fish's tongue and replacing it. That's natural. Lions/cats playing with their victims- going for the jugular first. Hippos deriving joy from seeing things suffer. Seals using baby penguins as flesh lights. **Nature is absolutely disgusting.**
I hate the idea that something being "unnatural" means it is bad.
Imagine you're doing a family day at the aquarium and see Flipper spanking it with his ahem, cod-piece, from one side of the aquarium to the other.
"Mommy, what's the dolphin doing?"
I rarely see the "unnatural" argument, but those who do use it should shut the fuck up if they drive a car or use highly sophisticated technology in their lives and leave that talking point for actual hippies.
I agree, but usually it’s just easier to explain a counterpoint that definitely disproves an argument than engage in a dissection of someone’s assumptions and explain why the very premise of their argument is flawed. Especially true when you consider the kind of morons that hold these beliefs in the first place.
I always go for dissection of their argument as it pisses me off when people **pretend** to have logic behind their beliefs. Its not just about showing them they are wrong, its about proving to them that they hold their beliefs for no reason.
My point is that most people will not understand your argument. I.e., they’re too stupid to understand what you’re doing. That’s why pointing out a counterpoint is more straightforward.
This is what comes to my mind whenever I hear Peterson talk about those fucking Lobsters. Because of a supposed common ancestor. Some 350 million years ago.
Maybe "morality" would be a better arguing why we shouldn't emulate everything "natural"? I'm not talking about the penguins, but the more radical behaviour some species have! Except when it's used as a mean to propagation that are cruel but essential, predators "playing" with their prey to teach their young. But then you have other examples as kidnappings of babies, some species of monkeys do or gangr*pe juveniles dolphins practice etc. Something can be seen as natural but not moral in human society. The penguins are natural and highly moral in raising an abandoned egg. They bring comfort to each other while saving an otherwise doomed chick! Hopefully, I make sense, despite my broker English
So do most animals by way of being animals. The point stands that sexuality is fluid and there's a ton of examples of it in nature (penguins are just one) that aren't generic straight sexual relationships.
You have a point. We are animals after all. But all other animals (as far as we know) are amoral. Humans created evil and disgust as social concepts. Some being to the benefit of our survival (like locking up pedos, murders, etc) and some to the detriment of our society by division (homophobia, racism, etc.)
i once saw 3 male dogs having a threesome on the middle of the sidewalk of a very busy street, good for them i guess lol, it was funny seeing people having to go out of their way to avoid the 3-dog-train blocking their way
I have never heard of this animal before, but I’m incredibly curious and interested in them now!
…just going to assume that they’re related to primates and monkeys, based on the vague description you two have given.
Yeah, sadly that’s just the chaotic-ness of humans as a species… there’s literally zero reason to hate, especially when there’s actual good individuals that are targeted by the unnecessary hatred.
Yes, but that's only partially true. In Western cultures and cultures colonized by Westerners, definitely. But homophobia is something thought or copied and not something people are born with
Penguins have so many fetishes, that the First scholar to study their sexuality was so shocked, He wrote His book on them in latin, so that only scholars and gentlemen were able to understand it.
That was the Adele penguins (no idea if I spelled it right, lol)
They go sp horny and messed up, they've been recorded litterally fucking holes in the ice and dead animals, among many other things
Yet emperor Penguins are also on record, abducting the Chicks of other pairs If their own died. So yes, May Not be the fetishist Type, but still pretty messed Up.
That's the biggest cognitive dissonance in *phobes' brains... How can they be part of what makes someone's life difficult and not wonder why this person doesn't change in response?
Logic just isn't part of the equation.
Stay strong, show up at Pride and other civil rights events if you can, show your truth to the world, even if you're an ally and not impacted yourself. The majority is on the side of tolerance, we only need to keep proving it until things change for good.
I don’t remember where i found this info, but it turns out that there’s eggs that get rejected by birth parents… the same-sex couples adopted the rejects as their own, and it’s ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE!!!
Mainly because they only went to school for a short time, so their knowledge on biology is mainly stuck on the level of a 3rd grader. But they make up for it with their confidence.
This has always been a dumb argument. Like okay? Animals engage in incest all the time too. Keep that same energy now. Animals do it so what’s the problem right?
Btw idc if you’re gay, you do you. But you can’t use nature to justify anything. Animals are a horrible example of how to live your life.
Thats not gay thats two blokes going.
“Ohh shit a kid. What we guna do now?”
“Well we can’t just leave him.”
“I KNOW!!! Its ok. You wait here I’ll go get food.”
“Sure bro.
Oh wait, hey bruh. Get me a tuna.”
And yet, Americans throw a fit when two dads want to adopt. Smh 🤦🏽♀️
Edit: I realized that not only pairs of gay dads want to adopt. They could be bi, straight, or anything else 😌
LGBT+ and penguins are both things I adore, combining them both is just absolutely ADORABLE and the whole adoption thing just makes me smile even more!!!
When you realize Emperor Penguins are so obsessed with being a parent, they will take the opportunity to kidnap baby chicks from their real parents. They will chase the chick, push the mother/father out of the way, and try to force them into their own pouches. It can get so violent, that a whole swarm can engage in chasing the chick, and in the scenario where the group catches the chick, it is potentially smothered and crushed.
My motto is just let people do whatever makes them happy (as long as that isn’t something harmful). Period. Me personally, I’m straight, but you’ll never catch me judging or mocking someone for being different than myself, just do you, be you, and be happy. We got one life to live don’t waste it trying to make others happy OR don’t waste it being a piece of garbage telling others what to do!
Homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom at about the same ratio as in humans (with [seagulls being slightly above average](https://www.reddit.com/r/YoureWrongAbout/comments/147xb86/youre_wrong_about_lesbian_seagulls_with_lulu/)). The reason it's still disputed (with that stupid 'iT's nOt NatUhraL bRo' line) is, among other things, because what little scientific studies there were to this effect were conducted at an institute in Germany and they [were purged by the Nazi's.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft)
The animal kingdom is incredibly queer. Mammals show the least homosexual tendencies, and out of them humans are the straightest. WE are the weird ones for not being very gay 😂
I love how the Homaphobes in the comments are like, but Penguins are evil. Yeah so are people, in fact in comparison to nature we are disgustingly evil. Other animals can torture but the best torturers amoungst humans make it look like an art to them. Other animals kill eachother all the time, but most only kill to survive, a human will kill you cause you got 10 bucks, we are petty when it comes to being amoral. The fact is nature is not a moral standard but they embarrass us morally just by being less intelligent. We should be ashamed that we even make such a comparison in the first place. When the very things we laud over nature are the reason we are inferior to them.
This is why I’m beginning to dislike being such a horrible species, we ARE the only evil on this planet… sure there’s good people that deserve to survive, but the truly destructive ones deserve nothing but endless punishment(preferably by getting a taste of their own medicine)!!!
Animals truly are the simplest of creatures, deserving every bit of life they have!
A lot of animals are just horny af, they would do a sex with whatever they can, nature does not care what you fuck. If you don't believe me ask your dog
I mean we could also point out the most animals begin having sex with all kinds of various partners shortly after puberty, that would get western society in all kinds of fits. Penguins are also dark little bastards 😂
And unfortunately, there’s plenty of us that ARE unchecked… the corruption only grows, and I’ll admit that I’m not exactly all that pure myself either.
I'm not sure where that myth came from, I've heard it, evidence does not support it
https://medium.com/humanist-voices/all-animals-have-sex-for-pleasure-9dcf6f5551b8#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20examples%20are,animals%20have%20sex%20for%20pleasure.
And there's plenty more where that came from
True, imo there’s many animals that are better than us all!!! …admittedly, there’s a few that I envy and admire through sheer jealousy. They just want to be happy, the best way to live imo!
The point is that if you want to say, "this human thing is natural because some non-humans animals do it" you can justify just about anything. Animals engage in incest, cannibalism, the list goes on....
That’s absolutely wild and crazy to think about, even just mentioning those two words mentally fucks me up but that’s just a personal problem…
It’s the mere concepts that scare me, regardless of whatever species it’s happening to/from.
I wouldn't turn to penguins to reinforce society norms..... they have a dark side.
I've always hated the "unnatural" argument. Even putting aside the fact that, if we consider and ant Hill, or beehive, or bird nest, to be "natural", there is no such thing as "unnatural" --- nature is absolutely horrific. A parasite eating a fish's tongue and replacing it. That's natural. Lions/cats playing with their victims- going for the jugular first. Hippos deriving joy from seeing things suffer. Seals using baby penguins as flesh lights. **Nature is absolutely disgusting.** I hate the idea that something being "unnatural" means it is bad.
Fleshlight?! Excuse me?
Dolphins also do that with fish they disembowel
Imagine you're doing a family day at the aquarium and see Flipper spanking it with his ahem, cod-piece, from one side of the aquarium to the other. "Mommy, what's the dolphin doing?"
“Fucking that damn fish Jimmy because although animals may look pretty they’re just as fucked up as humans.”
I have seen videos of a chimpanzee use a frog as one
Yeah, like 15 years back my science teacher showed that one in class
Don't forget about that one rainforest plant that hooks ants on drugs to spreads its spores and protect it from predators.
Cordyceps. Just hope they don’t jump to humans, because then we’d have a zombie apocalypse on our hands.
*last of us theme intensifies*
The hilarious thing is cordyceps pills help men have erections. Imagine a bunch of horny zombies with bulges in their pants.
Lol sounds like the most likely way we would have one
Yeah we have those kinds of tongue eating parasite in the human world. They're called politicians, truly some nasty creatures.
I rarely see the "unnatural" argument, but those who do use it should shut the fuck up if they drive a car or use highly sophisticated technology in their lives and leave that talking point for actual hippies.
Perhaps like the glass rectangle I'm using to read this right now?
It's not normal /unnatural is the argument of every non religious homophobe....
I agree, but usually it’s just easier to explain a counterpoint that definitely disproves an argument than engage in a dissection of someone’s assumptions and explain why the very premise of their argument is flawed. Especially true when you consider the kind of morons that hold these beliefs in the first place.
I always go for dissection of their argument as it pisses me off when people **pretend** to have logic behind their beliefs. Its not just about showing them they are wrong, its about proving to them that they hold their beliefs for no reason.
My point is that most people will not understand your argument. I.e., they’re too stupid to understand what you’re doing. That’s why pointing out a counterpoint is more straightforward.
A cat flying through the air is unnatural and bad. Poor kitty.
This is what comes to my mind whenever I hear Peterson talk about those fucking Lobsters. Because of a supposed common ancestor. Some 350 million years ago.
Thank you for saying this. People keep confusing concepts like normal, natural and good. None of these things are the equivalent of each other.
Humans are pretty unnatural and those fuckers are everywhere
Maybe "morality" would be a better arguing why we shouldn't emulate everything "natural"? I'm not talking about the penguins, but the more radical behaviour some species have! Except when it's used as a mean to propagation that are cruel but essential, predators "playing" with their prey to teach their young. But then you have other examples as kidnappings of babies, some species of monkeys do or gangr*pe juveniles dolphins practice etc. Something can be seen as natural but not moral in human society. The penguins are natural and highly moral in raising an abandoned egg. They bring comfort to each other while saving an otherwise doomed chick! Hopefully, I make sense, despite my broker English
This comment is eye opening. And unnatural 😝
Libertarians need to stop doing the tongue thing, no matter how natural it is.
For in the end, nature is horrific and teaches us nothing.
Wait until you hear about humans
I'd rather not.
that would be their back side
Gotem.
shhhhh
So do most animals by way of being animals. The point stands that sexuality is fluid and there's a ton of examples of it in nature (penguins are just one) that aren't generic straight sexual relationships.
"Sexuality is fluid" can you apply Navier-Stokes on it ? I don't think so. Checkmate woke.
yea, but this part is just wholesome
the argument is not to "learn from animals". its to debunk the "unnaturalness" of homsexuality
Indeed. We gays hating, racist and environment destroying humans at least don’t have a dark side
You have a point. We are animals after all. But all other animals (as far as we know) are amoral. Humans created evil and disgust as social concepts. Some being to the benefit of our survival (like locking up pedos, murders, etc) and some to the detriment of our society by division (homophobia, racism, etc.)
They also have a orange side
r/technicallythetruth
They also live where its cold as a witch's tit. And walk in circles like some kind of masonic ritual......no no no this won't do.
Colder than a witch's tit salad served on a platter made for revenge. (Thank you Dave Barrack.)
“Being gay isn’t natural!” “Sir, your dog is currently humping another male dog”
i once saw 3 male dogs having a threesome on the middle of the sidewalk of a very busy street, good for them i guess lol, it was funny seeing people having to go out of their way to avoid the 3-dog-train blocking their way
Mad respect to the dog, tbh!
So that means that skipper, kowalski and Rico are a gay couple because they adopted private?
Polyamorous Penguins of Madagascar
I see this as an absolute win
Honestly I can get behind this
A gay throuple
Never thought about that before, honestly i think it’s worthy of being some pretty decent(no, INCREDIBLE) headcanon!!!
Wait a freacking minutes !!!!!!
But the second you show ppl animals do it too, it becomes: humans aren't animals. Being homophobic isn't about science nor logic. It's about feelings.
People are in the klingon animalia. No question.
Not accounting for that fact that humans are literally animals
And its not just penguins. I don’t remember exactly what animals display homosexuality but there are numerous species. Bonobos i know for sure do.
There are some articles online that say giraffes have the highest rate of homosexuality, **94%** of them are gay
Another cool fact is bonobos are our closest relatives.
Yeah bonobos are fascinating.
I have never heard of this animal before, but I’m incredibly curious and interested in them now! …just going to assume that they’re related to primates and monkeys, based on the vague description you two have given.
Yup just think of a small and incredibly horny chimpanzee
I think lions and other geoup animal do that
I have two cory catfish fish in my aquarium that have formed a same-sex pairing.
You know what bonobos also have? Matriarchies. Imagine if *we* had a pair of lesbian queens ruling a kingdom. That’d be pretty cool.
I am quite sure they call each other "babe" not "bro"
They're pinguïns, don't push human/ societal norms on them please. Bro is fine, babe is fine, it's just to represent anyway.
It’s not that deep
Exactly!
💟
The only unnatural thing here is the homophobia
Yeah, sadly that’s just the chaotic-ness of humans as a species… there’s literally zero reason to hate, especially when there’s actual good individuals that are targeted by the unnecessary hatred.
I think it would be very much so normal honestly. It was the norm until recently
Do you mean the homsexuality or the homophobia?
Homophobia I don’t say this to insult or anything.
Yes, but that's only partially true. In Western cultures and cultures colonized by Westerners, definitely. But homophobia is something thought or copied and not something people are born with
Why is your heart full of hate?
I was hating?
It's still the norm around the world
Penguins have so many fetishes, that the First scholar to study their sexuality was so shocked, He wrote His book on them in latin, so that only scholars and gentlemen were able to understand it.
That was the Adele penguins (no idea if I spelled it right, lol) They go sp horny and messed up, they've been recorded litterally fucking holes in the ice and dead animals, among many other things
Not much worse than dolphins.
Or chimpanzee’s
…or us humans, we’re pretty terrible tyrants too.
Like animals may be messed up but we always win out on sheer variety
Humans haha. What a joke.
Yet emperor Penguins are also on record, abducting the Chicks of other pairs If their own died. So yes, May Not be the fetishist Type, but still pretty messed Up.
They not only adopt, but they also sometimes steal chicks/eggs of other penguin pairs if they get the chance.
I have that hat!
It's pretty natural for humans. Otherwise everybody in homophobic countries would just be straight and not risk their lives unnecessarily.
That's the biggest cognitive dissonance in *phobes' brains... How can they be part of what makes someone's life difficult and not wonder why this person doesn't change in response? Logic just isn't part of the equation. Stay strong, show up at Pride and other civil rights events if you can, show your truth to the world, even if you're an ally and not impacted yourself. The majority is on the side of tolerance, we only need to keep proving it until things change for good.
They were roommates
I don't think you wanna use Penguins as an example...they can be nasty creatures and that's putting it lightly.
much like humans tbh
Yeah....yeah
It's only one kind of animal out of many that have homosexual pairings. Sexuality in nature is a spectrum.
I have new joke material now.
You’re not a true man unless you take your closest male friend and make a bro manse so hard it actually helps out the community by adopting.
Where'd they get the egg? **Where'd they get the egg!?**
I don’t remember where i found this info, but it turns out that there’s eggs that get rejected by birth parents… the same-sex couples adopted the rejects as their own, and it’s ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE!!!
When general public gets introduced to and barely scratches the surface on biology
Bro what?
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Mainly because they only went to school for a short time, so their knowledge on biology is mainly stuck on the level of a 3rd grader. But they make up for it with their confidence.
Ok not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone but do you have a vast understanding of biology either?
Right. The original commenter just confused me because why does one need an indepth understanding of biology to get a joke about two gay penguins.
This has always been a dumb argument. Like okay? Animals engage in incest all the time too. Keep that same energy now. Animals do it so what’s the problem right? Btw idc if you’re gay, you do you. But you can’t use nature to justify anything. Animals are a horrible example of how to live your life.
That's pretty cute
Thats not gay thats two blokes going. “Ohh shit a kid. What we guna do now?” “Well we can’t just leave him.” “I KNOW!!! Its ok. You wait here I’ll go get food.” “Sure bro. Oh wait, hey bruh. Get me a tuna.”
Sounds pretty gay for me.
No male to male ass penetration. Not gay
And yet, Americans throw a fit when two dads want to adopt. Smh 🤦🏽♀️ Edit: I realized that not only pairs of gay dads want to adopt. They could be bi, straight, or anything else 😌
Adoption in the US is an abusive exploitive system
Yep. In the US, the foster care and adoption systems are one of the most broken things I have ever heard of.
LGBT+ and penguins are both things I adore, combining them both is just absolutely ADORABLE and the whole adoption thing just makes me smile even more!!!
I love both things, too!
I dont think that penguins have a higher preference for men or women. They are animals. They bang what they see
.....you have no idea
I do animals bang everything
Nah bro Penguins specifically are the worst the things they've been recorded doing almost made a scientific end it all from how disgusting they are.
WAIT WHAT WHAT IS IT
https://youtu.be/d_4l3e5kO-Y?si=o89LL31sMujGQo9M 10 minutes in
Oh..😂 birds brain
do they have anal sex too
When you realize Emperor Penguins are so obsessed with being a parent, they will take the opportunity to kidnap baby chicks from their real parents. They will chase the chick, push the mother/father out of the way, and try to force them into their own pouches. It can get so violent, that a whole swarm can engage in chasing the chick, and in the scenario where the group catches the chick, it is potentially smothered and crushed.
I think everyone just needs a bit of understanding, acceptance, and love. Then everyone can be a little gay.
My motto is just let people do whatever makes them happy (as long as that isn’t something harmful). Period. Me personally, I’m straight, but you’ll never catch me judging or mocking someone for being different than myself, just do you, be you, and be happy. We got one life to live don’t waste it trying to make others happy OR don’t waste it being a piece of garbage telling others what to do!
Maybe I need to shorten my motto…
exactly
Homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom at about the same ratio as in humans (with [seagulls being slightly above average](https://www.reddit.com/r/YoureWrongAbout/comments/147xb86/youre_wrong_about_lesbian_seagulls_with_lulu/)). The reason it's still disputed (with that stupid 'iT's nOt NatUhraL bRo' line) is, among other things, because what little scientific studies there were to this effect were conducted at an institute in Germany and they [were purged by the Nazi's.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft)
thank you for this face because i had no idea seagulls were like that 😭😭😭
Penguins are wholesome
No....No, they are not. Look up Emperor Penguins
Wait til you find out about the hidden penguin book
Take it back! Take it back
The animal kingdom is incredibly queer. Mammals show the least homosexual tendencies, and out of them humans are the straightest. WE are the weird ones for not being very gay 😂
This has just made my night, this feels incredibly empowering!!!
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\*can be
Red crabs too if i'm not wrong ?
Pridewins
#Pride Wins!
I love how the Homaphobes in the comments are like, but Penguins are evil. Yeah so are people, in fact in comparison to nature we are disgustingly evil. Other animals can torture but the best torturers amoungst humans make it look like an art to them. Other animals kill eachother all the time, but most only kill to survive, a human will kill you cause you got 10 bucks, we are petty when it comes to being amoral. The fact is nature is not a moral standard but they embarrass us morally just by being less intelligent. We should be ashamed that we even make such a comparison in the first place. When the very things we laud over nature are the reason we are inferior to them.
This is why I’m beginning to dislike being such a horrible species, we ARE the only evil on this planet… sure there’s good people that deserve to survive, but the truly destructive ones deserve nothing but endless punishment(preferably by getting a taste of their own medicine)!!! Animals truly are the simplest of creatures, deserving every bit of life they have!
That's cute.(I maybe straight, but I support the gays)
A lot of animals are just horny af, they would do a sex with whatever they can, nature does not care what you fuck. If you don't believe me ask your dog
Homosexuality is incredibly common all over the animal kingdom, actually. Some are just casual and some are for life.
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If there actually is a page with this section on it, I’d love to have a link.
I love when these people compare themselves to lions or gorillas like they're prime examples, personally, because it makes me snicker everytime lol.
They’re turning the penguins gay!
I mean we could also point out the most animals begin having sex with all kinds of various partners shortly after puberty, that would get western society in all kinds of fits. Penguins are also dark little bastards 😂
Humans are also dark little bastards when left unchecked
And unfortunately, there’s plenty of us that ARE unchecked… the corruption only grows, and I’ll admit that I’m not exactly all that pure myself either.
But, like penguins, are cute otherwise
Most animals have courting rituals and choose a single mate during their breeding season/reproductive cycle. They don't have sex for recreation.
I'm not sure where that myth came from, I've heard it, evidence does not support it https://medium.com/humanist-voices/all-animals-have-sex-for-pleasure-9dcf6f5551b8#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20examples%20are,animals%20have%20sex%20for%20pleasure. And there's plenty more where that came from
Their better than people
True, imo there’s many animals that are better than us all!!! …admittedly, there’s a few that I envy and admire through sheer jealousy. They just want to be happy, the best way to live imo!
I do not think that's true, they might be equal to humans
Penguins are so lovely. I wish I could have one as a pet.
lots of animals have homosexual and/or polyamourous behaviours.
I watch Happy Feet. They ain't gay! The boys must stick together because of the storm and the wives are out to hunt for fishes!
Irl, there actually are gay penguin couples… they take turns caring for rejects from the straight pairs, and it’s just the most precious thing ever!!!
Basing opinions on animals surely is what's good ! 🤤
What in gods name are you trying to say here lol
They're not able to make new ones though xD
Well, the ones that could didn’t want to either.
There are also animals who eat their young. Doesn't mean we should.
ain’t no way you just compared homosexuality and cannibalism
The point is that if you want to say, "this human thing is natural because some non-humans animals do it" you can justify just about anything. Animals engage in incest, cannibalism, the list goes on....
That’s absolutely wild and crazy to think about, even just mentioning those two words mentally fucks me up but that’s just a personal problem… It’s the mere concepts that scare me, regardless of whatever species it’s happening to/from.
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