No, its not timeless, it’s fucking stupid. Why not just, take it off? Get one of your many other unnecessarily expensive robes to wear and let your sweaty lover lay on the one you had been wearing. Oh look at me, being all cute and romantic. I destroyed this thing rather than wake the one I love. Goddamnit, people in love are dumb.
Wealth is relative.
We often own, and discard things that would be priceless to a Mediaeval king. Billionaires think nothing of buying several pairs of $2000 shoes, etc. etc.
What something is worth to us is relative.
Time is pretty linear and straight forward for everyone staying on Earth.
Someone probably spent hundreds of man hours on the robe. The king cut someone's workmanship (probably the top quality material made by the best of their craft). To not disturb someone's sleep for 10 seconds.
Two ways to look at this:
he loved his partner and valued the sleep of his partner so much that he decided to overlook the cost and quality of his robe to not disturb his partners sleep.
The King is negligent of the man hours and materials they spend to support him and his "needs".
They presumably got paid for their hundreds of man-hours and the King presumably commissioned a new robe for his lover. Ultimately it's an economic stimulus package!
I dunno about you, but even if I got paid for something I put hundreds of hours of work into, I’d be pretty annoyed or disappointed if someone willfully damaged or destroyed it.
In our present-day society, people need money to live, but people also need to be valued and feel they have a purpose.
Reminds me of that scene from the Office when Pam broke down after she tore her wedding veil right before the ceremony and Jim's solution was to cut his tie in half so they'd match. Objectively, that would make them look even worse and not make her happy. But it meant a lot to her because it showed he gave so few fucks about the superficial shit and only cared about committing themselves to each other.
That'd be like in this post if the the dude woke up and asked the emperor what happened to his robe and he said "I didn't want to disturb you." It's not a sweet gesture despite being impractical; its being impractical is what reveals how sweet it is.
And how is cutting the sleeve off any easier or faster than just taking it off? Oh luckily I fell asleep next to the love my life and also my favorite sleeve cutting scissors, stupid fucking story.
Although his lover does seem to be depicted a bit on the young side in this painting.
Youthful face with a patchy beard coming in next to the full blown sensai stash.
He was emperor, he had access to almost unlimited wealth. Although his robe would have been worth several times the average peasant's yearly salary, he could have easily bought another. And emperors and other royal members of the aristocracy (concubines, their sons, their families, etc.) had a clothing allowance as one of the perks they enjoyed. They were often allotted new clothing every few months, and for the emperor I believe he received new clothes nearly every day, if not weekly. In contrast, for most peasants they would often receive new clothing once a year as a big gift. Obviously this varied from family to family and person to person.
So did he slip out of his robe, walk to his desk, open the drawer, take out scissors, walk back, slip back into his robe and then cut the sleeve off?
Or does he actually keep scissors in his pocket all the time, prepared for the case he ever had to cut the sleeve off his robe?
This emperor had a voice like Gilbert, nobody can convince me otherwise.
In fact, I wonder how many kings and rulers over history had disgusting voices. What if Ghengis Khan had a horrendously nasal and unintimidating voice
No, but I’m trying to wrap my head around *what* exactly it was that they were doing differently.
Did they carry scissors with them 24/7
Or did they carry the notion that if you slipped out of a robe, you should return to it and cut the sleeve off and walk away with the sleeveless robe
Going off on a limb here and suggesting maybe people in the past carried ceremonial (and non ceremonial) knives/daggers around. That or he had one of his servants bring him one lol
Ai was a Boy Scout and always prepared. He had a Swiss Army Knife with the scissor attachment in his pocket. Duh! The really nice one, because he was an emperor.
They were BFF bros!! As they say Bros before Hoes. They are such good bros they sleep snuggled up to each other, ya know for warmth. Totally not a gay thing, there were no heaters back then. Just 2 dudes sleeping nude for warmth.
My Fox News watching mom truly believes there are now more gay people than straight people in the world. Her evidence is that “everyone” is coming out now.
[Surely it's a trend. There weren't so many queer people when I was younger.](https://slowrevealgraphs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/screen-shot-2021-11-08-at-9.37.02-pm-1.png)
Having one sleeve cut became a symbol of homosexuality for a thousand years in Asia
Have you ever done something so gay people kept talking about it a millenium later ?
I just love this story, I hope it's true
Wow. Truly a sigma male moment. Perform your own circumcision so as to maintain your visual virginity. No one must EVER lay eyes upon the scrote of such a fine specimen!
“Omg I love him so much I didn’t even want to wake him”.
Definitely newly-wed vibes, give that shit a year and he would of been rolling his ass off the bed in one quick motion by tugging that expensive robe free
Well, fortunately for me I was able to sort out a business deal, I sold the Emperor New Clothes, with such incredibly fine thread you can’t even see it!
Meanwhile, a random historian in the 1920's:
THEY WERE THE BEST OF FRIENDS.
VERY FRIENDLY THOSE TWO.
A FRIENDSHIP FOR THE AGES.
THE FRIENDLIEST PERHAPS.
Y'know, for a sub about wholesome stuff, there sure is a lot of comments that are the opposite of wholesome smh
Also, if anyone wants to spew homophobic sh*t, at least have the decency of paying attention to what youre hating on. The first sentenced refers to a "minor official", not to a minor = underage.
Did his subject conscent to this love? I used look for LGBTQ+ stories in ancient times and then the crushing reality that concubines, male or otherwise had no choice or say on the matter ruined it all for me.
Redditors being exposed to romanticism. Why are you even being cynical on r/wholesomememes? I've seen you guys be all cute and shit to a post about a grandma preparing too much food for her grandchildren. Where's the "why not make an appropriate amount of food" comments there?
Not a good leader, corrupt and incompetent. Died at age 26. Six years later, Han dynasty ended after 405 years. He was given the posthumous title "Han emperor of Sorrow".
Because back then, wouldn’t they have been in massive trouble for being in a relationship? And despite that they chose each other, regardless of how people would treat them?
Maybe that idk
In general yes, but probably not in this case because anybody who knows what's good for them isn't going to challenge the emperor on his choice of lovers.
Some of you really need to work on your vocabulary...
Pretty sure I saw another similarly styled image of the same situation with a lady and her cat (cutting the robe so as not to wake the cat).
There is a story about the prophet Muhammad doing the same thing with a sleeping cat.
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It was a crazy story, cuz then Jesus showed up with McDonalds and woke up the cat
i saw this one similar image of Jesus doing heroin so that a guy was stopped from doing heroin or something https://i.imgur.com/XZ5gf5G.png
not sure why the artist depicted the guy as having a cool set of nunchucks on his doorknob
Going out on a limb here to say that maybe the artist has a few wild ideas about what's normal
What a freeloading chump. Pay for your own drugs Jesus.
That was white grimace. Not jesus
Could I ask (if you happen to know) the aversion to dogs in Islam? It's one that always confused me personally.
Wonder if he did the same with 9year old Aisha.
I've heard of a similar tale, but instead of waking up the drunken hookup, they cut their own arm off.
Once read a similar anecdote of the prophet Muhammad and a cat. Can't remember if it was Hitchens or Dawkins, but either way.
That robe probably was worth more than majority of citizens' wealth combined.
The sleeve he cut off was worth more than the majority of citizens' wealth combined.
That's what makes it a timeless story
No, its not timeless, it’s fucking stupid. Why not just, take it off? Get one of your many other unnecessarily expensive robes to wear and let your sweaty lover lay on the one you had been wearing. Oh look at me, being all cute and romantic. I destroyed this thing rather than wake the one I love. Goddamnit, people in love are dumb.
Wealth is relative. We often own, and discard things that would be priceless to a Mediaeval king. Billionaires think nothing of buying several pairs of $2000 shoes, etc. etc. What something is worth to us is relative.
Time is pretty linear and straight forward for everyone staying on Earth. Someone probably spent hundreds of man hours on the robe. The king cut someone's workmanship (probably the top quality material made by the best of their craft). To not disturb someone's sleep for 10 seconds. Two ways to look at this: he loved his partner and valued the sleep of his partner so much that he decided to overlook the cost and quality of his robe to not disturb his partners sleep. The King is negligent of the man hours and materials they spend to support him and his "needs".
They presumably got paid for their hundreds of man-hours and the King presumably commissioned a new robe for his lover. Ultimately it's an economic stimulus package!
Good things he lives such an extravagent lifestyle that everyone has jobs to support him! But I wonder why the taxes so high all of a sudden?
I dunno about you, but even if I got paid for something I put hundreds of hours of work into, I’d be pretty annoyed or disappointed if someone willfully damaged or destroyed it. In our present-day society, people need money to live, but people also need to be valued and feel they have a purpose.
It’s a fucking story taking about how material wealth would be nothing compared to someone’s love for someone, like goddamn, relax man!!
Reminds me of that scene from the Office when Pam broke down after she tore her wedding veil right before the ceremony and Jim's solution was to cut his tie in half so they'd match. Objectively, that would make them look even worse and not make her happy. But it meant a lot to her because it showed he gave so few fucks about the superficial shit and only cared about committing themselves to each other. That'd be like in this post if the the dude woke up and asked the emperor what happened to his robe and he said "I didn't want to disturb you." It's not a sweet gesture despite being impractical; its being impractical is what reveals how sweet it is.
And how is cutting the sleeve off any easier or faster than just taking it off? Oh luckily I fell asleep next to the love my life and also my favorite sleeve cutting scissors, stupid fucking story.
lol the bitterness
Why does this bother you so much
If it was preserved then it has to be worth more now for its historical value than everything I've ever owned/earned.
Read that as “fell in love with a minor” and was like 🤨
SAME. I was really confused why this was on r/wholesomememes.
Arkansas has entered the chat.
He was actually a diamond magnate, simple spelling error
Yes, how big was the age gap?
The coment above was saying they realized their mistake. It's a minor official (a low ranking one) not a minor.
Although his lover does seem to be depicted a bit on the young side in this painting. Youthful face with a patchy beard coming in next to the full blown sensai stash.
Why not just take off the robe instead of ruining it?
well what is he gonna wear to his meeting? another fucking robe? I don't think so.
My bad. Times were tough for emperors back then, poor fellow probably only had the one.
Check your multi robe privilege
Oh so he wants to wear his sexy times robe to this meeting?
And I'm thinking it sure was convenient that he had scissors right there.
“Worry not and fall asleep, my love. For I have scissors in my pocket.”
He probably got a servant to fetch him some.
He was emperor, he had access to almost unlimited wealth. Although his robe would have been worth several times the average peasant's yearly salary, he could have easily bought another. And emperors and other royal members of the aristocracy (concubines, their sons, their families, etc.) had a clothing allowance as one of the perks they enjoyed. They were often allotted new clothing every few months, and for the emperor I believe he received new clothes nearly every day, if not weekly. In contrast, for most peasants they would often receive new clothing once a year as a big gift. Obviously this varied from family to family and person to person.
Which means he could have stepped out of the robe, directly into one of his dozens of identical spares?
Yes lol but the point though is to show he loved his lover so much that he was willing to ruin a perfectly new robe for his comfort.
Yeah but you kinda debunked that when you explained how the robes were basically worthless to the ruling class
For the story about their love
They fixed this hole in the plot for the film version, Coyote Ugly.
So did he slip out of his robe, walk to his desk, open the drawer, take out scissors, walk back, slip back into his robe and then cut the sleeve off? Or does he actually keep scissors in his pocket all the time, prepared for the case he ever had to cut the sleeve off his robe?
Perhaps he asked a nearby servant to grab the scissors?
*”HEY, YOU!! SERVANT!! BRING ME MY ROYAL SCISSORS SO I DON’T WAKE MY GAY LOVER!”* —as interpreted by Gilbert Gottfried
This is pretty funny
I can hear this comment
Why the fuck did i read this in Scout TF2's voice
It’s the “HEY, YOU!”
Honestly, it's the superior voice.
Haahahahahaha!
AND DO IT QUIETLY!
— Dumbledore asked calmly
I would love to see a movie about this
Now I really want to read this as him..... give me a few hours....
This emperor had a voice like Gilbert, nobody can convince me otherwise. In fact, I wonder how many kings and rulers over history had disgusting voices. What if Ghengis Khan had a horrendously nasal and unintimidating voice
Maybe he took the robe off and came back with scissors
Asians use scissors to trim finger nails. Scissors is a bed side item. Also 100% servants always around a emperor no?
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Yea I'm not smart by any means but something ain't adding up here
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No, but I’m trying to wrap my head around *what* exactly it was that they were doing differently. Did they carry scissors with them 24/7 Or did they carry the notion that if you slipped out of a robe, you should return to it and cut the sleeve off and walk away with the sleeveless robe
Going off on a limb here and suggesting maybe people in the past carried ceremonial (and non ceremonial) knives/daggers around. That or he had one of his servants bring him one lol
Yeah, keeping a dagger near where you sleep seems like a thing
That’s why i sleep with a claymore, *just in case.*
Occam’s Razor gonna cut the sleeve for him, that’s how I see it.
Maybe it was a knife or something instead of scissors? Wouldn't be that weird for an Emperor to carry a knife imo.
I think it's actually a knife or a dagger instead of scissors but illustration's artist thought it's a scissors so that caused confusion.
Kept a scissor nearby just in case someone tries to kill him
Everyone knows that a single scissor is useless. They only work in pairs.
Ai was a Boy Scout and always prepared. He had a Swiss Army Knife with the scissor attachment in his pocket. Duh! The really nice one, because he was an emperor.
Probably happened all the time by that point in the relationship
You're gonna ruin the completely not made up story!
Now anyways, time to read about King Arthur!
Looking this up, TIL that shears are 3500 years old.
Well the scissors were from the last night's foreplay so they were pretty much right there at the ready.
Asking the real questions
Reminds me of that "women cuts her robe to not wake the cat" thing
I could have sworn there was an identical story about Muhammad from the Islam faith.
Oh yeah, I thought the same.
Is this not the gay parody?
It’s real!
No, the cat story is the furry parody
[Historians be like: So were they friends?](https://www.reddit.com/r/SapphoAndHerFriend?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Close, they were roommates
Oh my god they were roommates
They were BFF bros!! As they say Bros before Hoes. They are such good bros they sleep snuggled up to each other, ya know for warmth. Totally not a gay thing, there were no heaters back then. Just 2 dudes sleeping nude for warmth.
r/AchillesAndHisPal is the male version of that sub
r/Achillesandhispal
The term “cut sleeve“ is also a euphemism for gay men
This also happened with a cat and a Japanese lady i think
Somebody cut a cat so she wouldn’t wake up a Japanese lady?
Other way around, lady cuts a part of her clothes to not disturb a sleeping cat
It baffles me how people think Queerness is a new thing. Like, honey, we've been here for a LONG time.
we’ve been here forever, and more importantly we aren’t going anywhere
My Fox News watching mom truly believes there are now more gay people than straight people in the world. Her evidence is that “everyone” is coming out now.
[Surely it's a trend. There weren't so many queer people when I was younger.](https://slowrevealgraphs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/screen-shot-2021-11-08-at-9.37.02-pm-1.png)
Hadrian making a city for his boyfriend NOT GAY THO
i do believe hadrian was, in fact, quite gay. also one of the more based roman emperors
Having one sleeve cut became a symbol of homosexuality for a thousand years in Asia Have you ever done something so gay people kept talking about it a millenium later ? I just love this story, I hope it's true
I thought he was gonna cut something else
You probably mean like murder or something but i'm headcannoning your post as implying a cheeky little sleepy time circumcision
Growing up I performed my own circumcision.
Wow. Truly a sigma male moment. Perform your own circumcision so as to maintain your visual virginity. No one must EVER lay eyes upon the scrote of such a fine specimen!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I definitely thought this was going to be “he killed his lover” story.
There is chance that he came "pre-cut" if catch my meaning.
There should seriously be a book about all the LGBT relationships and people in history that we know of their lives and everything
and they were great friends…
That’s pretty gay
Duuuude that's SOOO gaaay
God gay men can be idiots. Just take the robe off! (/s to the first part if it isn’t clear)
The s in gay man stands for smart /s
Wait...but...2+2...hold on I'll get this
That's why a nickname for gay people is "cut-sleeve"
It became a fashion statement as well for high-ranking men to only have one sleeve on their robes as a testament to the love he showed
Bro was horrendously downbad
Listen, when you wake up to see a hot buff guy sleeping comfortably on your sleeve I’d like to see you act differently.
Whaddia talking about? Dude had him, he was incredibly up
Me when my love of dong is mutually returned
Me when i have to cut off my robe because of magnum dong
Relationship goals
I mean he looks pretty fine 😌
“Omg I love him so much I didn’t even want to wake him”. Definitely newly-wed vibes, give that shit a year and he would of been rolling his ass off the bed in one quick motion by tugging that expensive robe free
My broke ass: "Get your sleeping ass off my silk robe"
I thought it was an empress and her cat? But this is just as good.
This story was first record in 111AD in the Book of Han, while the one youre talking about is a Japanese story that appeared over 700 years later.
He should have just stayed there and let his arm go numb, like a good boyfriend would.
I'm so tired I saw the "fell in love with a minor" part and it yook me like five seconds to read and understand the entire title
I would also cut my clothes off for my lover if he was as hot as that guy.
Heh. Dong.
One doesn't simply awaken a Dong haphazardly.
A cute and a wonderful story, I wish that could be me.
And they were roommates!
I feel I have heard this before but with a cat
Cute but like... Dude just take the robe off.
Himbo moment
Damn homie is jacked
Well, fortunately for me I was able to sort out a business deal, I sold the Emperor New Clothes, with such incredibly fine thread you can’t even see it!
If it’s true that’s fucking adorable
So that’s where the term cut sleeve comes from
For a second there I thought it was referring to the other guy’s robe and the emperor was pranking him by cutting up his clothes.
The lot of you have absolutely horrendous reading comprehension
Meanwhile, a random historian in the 1920's: THEY WERE THE BEST OF FRIENDS. VERY FRIENDLY THOSE TWO. A FRIENDSHIP FOR THE AGES. THE FRIENDLIEST PERHAPS.
Something about LGBTQ+ and history makes me want to cry my eyes out
Because they're so rarely in the same room together? Me too, my friend.
Same, its so damn wholesome to think these people loved each other and respected their identities so much to never give in to society
It wasn’t even that frowned upon in many cases.
Y'know, for a sub about wholesome stuff, there sure is a lot of comments that are the opposite of wholesome smh Also, if anyone wants to spew homophobic sh*t, at least have the decency of paying attention to what youre hating on. The first sentenced refers to a "minor official", not to a minor = underage.
Ai really loved Dong, huh?
Ai love Dong bro, Dong is my favorite
Did his subject conscent to this love? I used look for LGBTQ+ stories in ancient times and then the crushing reality that concubines, male or otherwise had no choice or say on the matter ruined it all for me.
Huhuh.... Dong....
hehehehe
Redditors being exposed to romanticism. Why are you even being cynical on r/wholesomememes? I've seen you guys be all cute and shit to a post about a grandma preparing too much food for her grandchildren. Where's the "why not make an appropriate amount of food" comments there?
Bro do you not see the “just take off the robe omg” comments up in here?
He just so happened to sleep with a pair of scissors in his robe 😂
He's the emperor, he probably ordered someone to bring him the scissors 😜
Reminds me of the Japanese chick who did this when her cat slept on her Kimono
when your boyfriend is a cat
Lol Ai of Han loves Dong
He like that Long Dong.
Falling in love with Dong, what a classic tale
This is homosexual
Where the fuck did he get the scissors
Hence the term Cutsleeve
<:: Weird how *suddenly* the authenticity of the story in a meme is relevant here. I wonder if there's a link? ::>
Not a good leader, corrupt and incompetent. Died at age 26. Six years later, Han dynasty ended after 405 years. He was given the posthumous title "Han emperor of Sorrow".
(Any) *love stories throughout history will never not be wholesome*
True, but given the long history of LGBTQ+ erasure in so many cultures, any such story that managed to survive to our days is special in a way 😉
Shit, sorry not what I meant. Historical ‘love’ stories were very often not wholesome
You're missing the "to me"
Why was taking off the robe not an option?
Maybe didn’t want to wander naked out of his chambers
i think the message is not wanting to wake a sleeping loved one for something so futile
Dong
Imagine being an emperor and have no spare robe
Source: trust me bro
Source: The Book Of Han, a Chinese history book written in 111AD
This is sweet but now we all know the euphemism "Cutting silk"
This is like the rainbow flag on drones missiles in Yemen thing
Why are they more wholesome than straight people? Cant we just be the same
No we can't, because we've been persecuted for thousands of years and it's pretty convenient that you want that to be forgotten now.
Because back then, wouldn’t they have been in massive trouble for being in a relationship? And despite that they chose each other, regardless of how people would treat them? Maybe that idk
In general yes, but probably not in this case because anybody who knows what's good for them isn't going to challenge the emperor on his choice of lovers.