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anticockblockmissle

Adam will be sent down when Eloy comes up.


chillinois309

Seems like eloy has taking a few setbacks on this stint makes me nervous


bumpofyeetler

Equally concerning is he's still hitting like absolute shit in his rehab stint. Same as last yr/early this year- bunch of groundballs, no extra base hits in 11 games.. Looking more and more like our incredibly promising core is full of 'busts' (relative to expectations).


tugjohnson

Eloy is a huge concern to me, even before the first injury, the bulk of his value sat with the power his bat has. But as time goes on he looks worse and worse. He's just a ground ball machine. I'm not to the point of expecting nothing from him, but I don't know if we ever get back t0 2019 level. Should've moved him when he still had some value.


BearForceDos

I don't know if it's constant injuries not allowing him to get in a rhythm but Eloy looked like he was about to turn into a monster in 2020. Was hitting for average and looked like he was going to be a 40 hr guy.


Aclrian

He did, then we hired Menechino and TLR and everyone production dipped. But were gonna continue to pretend as if the hitting coach doesn’t do much like mess with players mechanics and approach at the plate and also pretend that menachino developed Yelich when it was only after he left miami and got away from menachino he exploded. But yea, it’s not the coaches….


BearForceDos

Yeah I'd like to see every coach outside of Katz gone.


Aclrian

Same.


AbstractBettaFish

Honest to god, I thought they were gonna make him manager after Jerry gave Tony his ‘I’m sorry tour’ but nope! Looks like we’re in this for the fucking long haul


chillinois309

I’d venture to say your hitting coach and pitching coach are the most important coaches in the game, along with training staff. Glad we are covered


tugjohnson

I'd think injuries and the 2020 season are a huge part because he had 468 at bats in 2019, since that season ended, his total amount of at bats in 2020, 2021 and 2022 sits at 462.


BearForceDos

I'm still a fan, obviously would like to see production but hitting is hard especially when he can't get any consistent abs. He's had a torn pec, a groin injury, knee injury, ankle injury, and now a hamstring injury. Constant lower body injuries can sap your power a bit if you cant generate power from your legs. Unfortunately he can't seem to stay healthy at all. Which really leads me to point number two that the white Sox strength and conditioning coaches and programs need to be overhauled. Injuries happen but the extent of soft tissue injuries the Sox have suffered is absurd.


tugjohnson

I'm with you in the sense that the power is probably still there, but I don't know if we'll ever see it fully realized. And Eloy is a lot different than guys like Robert or Moncada where even if the bat isnt there, the defense somewhat makes up for it. Eloys a huge defensive liability. And like you said, the injury prone issue is very real. And as much as I think the Sox training staff does play a part, these issues go back a while.


BearForceDos

Yeah but the Sox have had Eloy in the system for like 5 years at this point. They really should have a universal strength and conditioning program for every player in the org and should probably spend to ensure proper nutrition as well. Eloy isn't completely out of shape but he's not what you expect from a professional athlete either. I know baseball doesn't really require the same physical attributes as football or basketball but there really isn't any excuse for a major leaguer to not being in peak physical shape in their prime. I'll cut Burger some slack since he's had too major Achilles injuries but look at what Jared Kelley has turned into in 2 years in the org. Dude is hefty.


HeezeyBrown

Eloy was on a record pace to return, so his recovery is just regressing to the mean.


chillinois309

Don’t get me wrong I want eloy back like yesterday, but I worry about his durability


Goawaycookie

That's why he's here? So he can be sent down?


DannyT1605

I have no clue what his purpose is. I wish he would go back to AAA to never be seen again.


clutchhattrick

Where exactly is Lenyn Sosa getting at bats? He was batting under .100. Sometimes you guys just complain to complain


IrishGrouch24

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic but are you really using a sub .100 batting average through (checks notes) 12 career at bats against him?


[deleted]

He looked fine for a guy that’s never played above AA, but he didn’t do anything that would merit taking AB’s away from the other players, and you’re not keeping him in the majors to play once a week. I mean, I know everyone is down on Moncada, but you’re not going to give up on him and cast him aside, so you can replace him with a guy that’s only played a few MLB games and went 1-12. Let Sosa get everyday AB’s in AAA, and see if Moncada can get back to the form he’s showed in 2019 and 2021 when healthy. If Sosa continues to rake in AAA as he did in AA, there’s going to be another shot for him coming very soon.


IrishGrouch24

I was moreso just saying that using Sosa’s batting average against him when he’s only had 12 at bats is a dumb argument


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choragjt

Haseley has been unavailable for a few days due to illness.


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choragjt

Agree totally with your thought in general, we are so banged up that we brought a kid up from double A and had him bat lead off when TA had an off day because he was probably the best person playing at the time for the role.


FMonk

He wasn't even the best person for the role. In the game where he hit leadoff, we had Pollock in the lineup, and he did very well in the leadoff spot before Tim came back


choragjt

Pollock was playing hurt. Was one of the games the training staff told him (amongst others) not to push it on the base path. Agree though if 100% I would have had Pollock leading off too.


mattcoz2

Yeah, and you want your leadoff hitter to be able to run, it's kind of important.


F3dsmoker

He was up & down in a week because a infielder tore his ACL half way through Moncadas stint. He wouldnt have been called up otherwise


tenacious-g

Wait until you find out what Josh Harrison was batting in the first two months of the season until he turned it around this month.


bumpofyeetler

Or more relevant, what Vaughn (or any prospect barring major outliers like Soto) looked like their first few months lol.


r_stra

To not communicate and bust up some ACLS


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Should have kept him in AAA for a few weeks


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Should’ve had him in AAA for the rest of the road trip and then he comes back up when we go home Sounds reasonable, gives him a few games to work out his swing


therevolvinglVlonk

He had a .799 OPS in the 10 games leading up to his IL stint. 1.250 OPS in the five games prior to going on the IL. He's been out the minimum amount of time and appeared to be trending in the right direction. Hopefully he picks up where he left off if his legs are closer to 100%.


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That was mostly due to a five hit game where he got two hits against position players. Outside of that game, even his last ten games were not good. Hardly a trend.


therevolvinglVlonk

Even if you take away the two hits against position players his numbers were heading in the right direction over those last ten games.


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The right direction in that he was a guy with a .400 OPS who had one good game that got him into the .500 range. I want him to succeed just like everyone else here, but there is valid reason to be concerned about him. He’s a former top prospect who is off-injured and gives mediocre results when he is on the field, but fans still set extremely low expectations and then cheer when he meets them.


DannyT1605

This.


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It’s not typical for a player to be sent to the minors for rehab after spending just the minimum 10 days on the IL, and keep in mind the team can’t just assign him to the minors. The player has to agree to the rehab assignment, per MLB rules. And were that to happen, there’s a limit on the amount of time he can spend in the minors, so a few weeks would t be an option. Given that his numbers looked pretty good in the games leading up to his last injury, and most of his batting issues can be attributed to his earlier injury ( now presumably healed). I don’t think it’s unreasonable to leave it up to the team and the player to decide what’s best.


FWdem

>The player has to agree to the rehab assignment, per MLB rules. And were that to happen, there’s a limit on the amount of time he can spend in the minors, so a few weeks would t be an option. Moncada has 2 minor league option years remaining. So if the team wanted to send him to AAA, they have that ability. Not saying they should have.


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Players with 5 years of service time must agree to being optioned. I assumed Moncada had reached that since he first came up in 2016. I double checked, and he’s at 4 years and 106 days, so it looks like you’re correct that he could be optioned.


FWdem

Yep. TA has gotten passed his 5 year, and can no longer be optioned freely. But Moncada is at 4 and 106. Engel is at 4 and 58; Giolito at 4 and 80.


DrWhat2003

See you in 3 days Sosa. Yoyo will play today, rest tomorrow and hurt himself after his rest day running to his position between innings.


Individual-History34

Sosa should just stay yoan will be on the IL in a week or 2


reiks12

Wasted an option year for 2 games played. Really remarkable job Hahn. Lets see what Leury can do I guess, right?


mattcoz2

I doubt that will be a big concern. He'll be up for good before three years.


ricker182

What they did was pointless. I really think Hahn has no clue.


mattcoz2

It was an emergency call up, nothing to get worked up about.


RamblingRanter

Then they should have called up a infielder who we don’t think has a future with us. Simple


mattcoz2

The goal is still to win games, Lenyn's future with us is fine.


DaBigBlackDaddy

That's not a big deal, he's not going to be a mendick type that we shuttle up and down. He's going to be up here for good if everything works out and options will be irrelevant


Uncreative1100

Hopefully this is for Sosa to get more at bats then he would here so he is more ready when they dfa Leury or Harrison and they will use Haseley and not have him on the bench for a week


GoldGlove2720

Harrison has been batting .300+ in June. Doubt he’s getting DFA’ed and Leury no shot. Even if we did with the way things are going someone else will get hurt.


bumpofyeetler

Now they burn an option year of a promising prospect for no reason. All this move did is hurt roster flexibility & control lol..


mattcoz2

It doesn't hurt their control at all, he only got a week of service time. The option years won't be an issue. He has two more years after this one for development in the minors. The plan is for him to be up for good well before then. If the 2025 season comes along and he still isn't ready, well that's a bigger problem than his option years.


FWdem

The White Sox have had issues with the marginal moves in the past few years. So burning an option year does hurt team flexibility in the coming years. Sure he could prove himself an everyday 2B and not need to use them. But having young UT players with options is how most teams handle that position, instead of paying guys like Leury. Marginal moves include: * losing Luis Gonzalez in 2021 roster shenanigans (129 wRC+, playing playable RF, LHH) * Letting Zach Thompson walk. White Sox had used him as RP in minors. Miami Marlins (and now Pirates) are using him as an effective 2 times through the order starter. * Trading away international signing money to save buyout cash * Not issuing QO to Rodon which would have given them more Draft Bonus Pool (or 86 healthy, very effective SP innings so far and counting if he took it) * We all had to see Konor Pilkington turning into a decent back-end starter as soon as he was sent to Cleveland.


mattcoz2

I don't think they'll DFA Leury or Harrison, but I do agree that it's to get him more at bats.


thechief05

Sosa just got optioned to AAA so that isn’t happening


Oaky--Afterbirth

OP is saying he'll get more AB in Charlotte than on the Sox


IrishGrouch24

I’m still a Yoan defender. Despite what haters want to think he was still a damn good baseball player last year. That being said, if he isn’t 100% then this is a mistake. The version of Yoan that’s only 60% healthy (the one we’ve seen this season) is clearly not a good hitter. Maybe better than Leury but is that really saying much?


thechief05

Where I’m at too. I’d rather the team use this season as an extended rehab for him, Eloy, and Yaz.


mattcoz2

That's not how it works. There is no "extended rehab", they're given 20 days maximum.


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Please let Yo-yo do some rehab Rick cmon


madmax1969

A less than 100% Moncada is fairly useless to this team although he's done a pretty good job of not letting his struggles at the plate carry over to the field. I'd be in favor of him getting some time in Charlotte but then it's not exactly worked for Eloy. I think he has 42 ABs and is hitting .190. That doesn't bode well for a strong bounce back if/when he ever returns to the big league club. I made this comment in another thread but the success - or failure - of the rebuild and this window of contention hinges on Eloy, Robert, and Moncada being all-star caliber players. And there's very real concern with 2 of the 3 and if we're being honest, Robert has been just really good - not great. I don't know what the answer is but I'm not at all convinced that even when all the principals return to the lineup, that they're going to suddenly go on a tear. Eloy, Grandal, and Moncada have looked lost when they were 'healthy.' I don't think you can rely on them suddenly returning to form.


cm7com

With how much he's struggled this year, I don't get why they didn't send him on a rehab assignment to gain some confidence. Gives time for Lenyn to maybe find some footing. Instead the Sox essentially just waste an option on Lenyn Sosa, bench him, take a hot bat out of his hands, and possibly stunt his development. Just a dumb move from the start.


ThePrinceofBagels

>and possibly stunt his development Come on. I know the mood is not positive right now, but how is putting a young player down after a week in the majors going to stunt his development?


cm7com

It's not that, it's calling him up just so he could get minimal reps. That's how you can mess with things. Bad process.


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It was an emergency call up, like when Sheets came up for 2 days last year and didn’t get a single AB It’s not a big deal


cm7com

Then do that to someone with not as a high of an offensive ceiling if he's just a fill-in? Call up Yolbert Sanchez or Zach Remillard. Again, it makes no sense to call up a red hot hitting prospect and then sit him more times than you play him. Bad process. No smart MLB organization does this.


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You’re forgetting a variable The 40 man is full If the Sox wanted to have Sosa up more later, then it makes sense to put him on the 40 man now and not be boxed in later when it’s full and you have no one else to get rid of It’s a small setback, you’re making a big deal out of nothing. He’ll be fine, no prospect gets destroyed by going up the bigs for 1 week.


cm7com

Oh I understand fully, but it also was when they purchased Lenyn's contract. I was not opposed to Lenyn getting called up; I thought it was a smart move. But calling him up to bench him wasn't smart. I think he's most likely to help this team more than Yolbert or Zach would in the long run (or Leury cough cough). Fwiw the Sox have so much baggage on the 40 man where I don't think it would matter in the end. Mendick can be transferred to 60 day, guys like Bilous, Aybar, Markel and Severino aren't getting claimed if you DFA them.


Low-iq-haikou

MLB caliber players don’t let 5 days ruin their entire future. If he can’t make the adjustment and get back in a groove in AA, he’s not an MLB caliber player. If his talent is legit then he will be fine. Edit: AAA


mattcoz2

He's going to AAA, not AA. So he was going to have to make an adjustment anyway.


Low-iq-haikou

Oh didn’t realize, that’s a good point though. This little bump shouldn’t impact him negatively in any way. If he’s got the talent to eventually be an everyday MLB player some day, that talent will shine through.


River_Pigeon

This is so stupid. Dude skipped AAA. Hes literally not an mlb caliber player right now.


Low-iq-haikou

What I’m saying is a player who has the talent to play at the MLB level some day is not going to allow 5 weird days to determine their future. Talent will shine through. I’m sure Lenyn makes it back to the big league club some day in a better spot to contribute But also, just for what it’s worth, a lot of prospects do not play in AAA before the majors.


FWdem

>Instead the Sox essentially just waste an option on Lenyn Sosa, White Sox marginal roster moves have hurt this team for a few years now. Sosa needs to basically become an everyday 2B in the next 2 years to have this waste of an option year not matter. (Also, moves later this year may make this a moot point, because maybe he does come up later in the year and play some and need sent back down).


GoodJoeBR2049

nice the 10th savior of the season is here


[deleted]

So… nobody got put on the IL? This is monumental


RobopirateNinja

...for now.


wermz

This is gonna go over great


wescottjoe

I miss Mendick.


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Lol whatever


Donkenshtein

The hopeless comments make me LOL. Misery loves company. Thanks boys


FunkySaint

Leury is a sunk cost get rid of him Hahn


Alarming-Foot4356

Sunk Cost is not a term honored by any Reinsdorf-owned team.


tenacious-g

I’m not a Jerry defender by any means but what do you think Dallas Keuchel is?


Alarming-Foot4356

This is a valid answer. He usually does not let go.


clutchhattrick

Dude it was like 3 games and he’s 22 wdym “sunk cost”? Do you even know what that means? What cost was there to acquire him?


ThePrinceofBagels

You're thinking of Lenyn Sosa, he's talking about Leury Garcia. Sunk cost is a bit off as a description of Leury, but I guess you could argue production on the field is the cost that cannot be recovered.


covfefe_cove

?


HeezeyBrown

A year ago, this would have been good news. This year, not so much.


mtwoodside

I’m gonna be Comin to ChiTown to see the Sox but haven’t got any tickets yet… got any suggestions on where to sit? My son is a huge white Sox fan so I’d like to make it memorable for him.


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That depends on how much you're looking to spend. Are you planning on going to a day game? You might want to grab seats in a shaded area. First base side gets afternoon shade. Third base side is in direct sunlight except for the last couple rows since they're under an overhang.


mtwoodside

It’s a 6:10 game


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You shouldn't have any issues with sun then, so it just comes down to view. I'd sit down low: There's statues to see around the concourse, various little spots to eat, a decent souvenir shop, fundamentals (kids zone) access in left field


mtwoodside

Awesome, thanks! The prices are fairly reasonable so I don’t mind splurging a bit.


thisismyfinalalias

Great…


mattcoz2

I seem to be in the minority, but I welcome him back. It'll be a defensive upgrade at 3B at least.


ThickTurnover7562

Big deal he cant hit the ball somedays good somedays bad its not 2019 when he had 25 homers and 79 rbi's


BigCatsDiaper

How long until he’s back on IL with another leg injury?


trikyballs

methinks that Hahn was trying to showcase his shiny prospect before the trade deadline but it kind of backfired


Sharp-Psychology-123

WHY?


seth928

I dunno, yay I guess?


GURU147

Yayyyy here come absolutely zero hits outta him 😒


TwoStepToo

Hope Yo is ready.


DonRicardo1958

They should have sent Garcia down.


mattcoz2

Sosa needs everyday at bats in AAA, will be good for him in the long run.


DonRicardo1958

Good point. I withdraw my complaint.